/fa/ - Fashion

>>6943649
>tl;dr
but i like green and blue on most my outfits.

I agree, all those monochrome fits in WAYWT threads are funny to me. People will do anything they're told.

If its gloomy out then I bust out the gray, but otherwise I just stick to my palette. My thing is desaturated reds, greens, and tans - goes well with my skin/hair

>>6943682
Why?

I'll keep bumping this thread don't worry, I have a hundred questions and I'd like to see if /fa/ can even conceive some responses.

Here's another question, and if you don't have answers to these questions, as in they stump you, you might need to reconsider how you dress. if your answer is 'I don't care' that's fine, as long as you know the rules you're breaking it's better than being oblivious. like wearing bright pink and orange in the dead of winter

Here's my next question

>do you consider the value of sheen your clothes have before you create a fit, or are you only looking at the colour, value, and saturation?

COME ON /FA/

>>6943691
do you live where you only have to worry about sun/gloom? is there any dead foliage or does it snow regularly there?

I don't think most people here even have a palette, they just try to avoid obviously bad contrasts, but by not discerning a palette they fail to recognize good contrasts that could bring your fits quality up in some way

Here's my next question..
>my theory right now is that fashion requires contrast in Some manner. without contrast at all in anything, shape colour value or any other characteristic you can think a fabric could have, you become a fashionless blob
y/n?

>>6943708
I don't have any pieces with any value of sheen.
Except leather shoes.

>>6943731
contrast isn't good just because it exists. It's good when it creates dramatic structures. Since drama is fundamentally about creating a shocking surprise, it has to be conveyed through contrast, but only in such a way as to still fit within the global aesthetic you're going for, which is why a contrasting piece has to have at least one attribute that obviously ties it to the rest of the outfit.
This is true for any art form.

>>6943731
Well that's a huge theory. I mean if someone is wearing a huge piece of cloth that covers all of his body without any shaping or draping...
It could be some sort of fashion statement:
Maybe you should define fashionless first

>>6943649
>are your fits influenced by your environment or the season most?

No. I like the idea of wearing clothes that can work anywhere. This is partly because I'm on a budget and partly because of the ready-for-anything techwear ideal. Clothes shouldn't be limited to one context in either function or aesthetics. Specialization is for insects.

I just don't like the idea of wearing something that's dependent on my surroundings. I move around, and the weather and lighting can change.

My response w/ the other two is getting too long so I'll make another post.

>>6943781
>It could be some sort of fashion statement:
and would thus create contrast not within itself, but within the environment he's a part of.

>>6943649
There's another reason why some people avoid color: it distracts from textures and shapes. As soon as you enter into the realm of color, you have to distract a part of the viewer's attention from those two things onto color.
Of course it can be done in such a way as to emphasize those two things but it's extremely hard.

Synergy - I like to stick to color pallets of the season, however it's nice to mix fall colors with lightweight spring/summer fabrics. I also look at the type of fabric/style the clothes I'm using. So, if I'm wearing Chambray/khakis/flight jacket, I'll pair it with some boots to go with the rougher workwear look.

Color Blocking - Well I'm assuming how you determine a color pallet. Look at the colors of the season outdoors to give inspiration. When choosing colors, stick with basic neutrals first (Khaki, Navy, Mid Gray, Charcoal, etc), they go with everything. After you have a good base, then you can start choosing bolder colors.

Contrast - It comes with experience. Contrast can be good, but other times it's way too distracting. For me, I judge things by eye and decide if it looks good or not. It's best to err on the side of caution. Looking at monochrome is a start on contrast. However with monochrome, it looks much better when you mix textures.

Textures - It's really the fabrics you use that changes the textures and there's different fabrics for the seasons. Flannel Wool, Dongle Wool, Cashmere, Woos in general is found during the fall/winter. Linen, cotton, silk (shirts), seersucker, whipcord, etc. is found during the spring/summer. With that, mixing the different fabrics with shirts, ties, jackets, etc. gives a better more interesting look.

The main thing I would say is to limit the amount of color you use. If you go with a bold color, keep it at only 1 bold color and everything else is neutral. Use your eye to judge a good color combination. If you're not sure, then don't. Look at non-waywt pics.

>do you consider the value of sheen your clothes have before you create a fit, or are you only looking at the colour, value, and saturation?

>my theory right now is that fashion requires contrast in Some manner. without contrast at all in anything, shape colour value or any other characteristic you can think a fabric could have, you become a fashionless blob

These two questions are related for me and I'd like to discuss them together. Earlier you said:

>Black grey and white are favored far more than they should be for one reason and one reason only: they are safer and easier to work with, harder to fail in regards to the elements.

But I don't completely agree. For me, when I started buying more monochromatic stuff I had to pay attention to the texture and sheen of the fabric, not just the color. And not just that, but I also became more conscious of how contrasting silhouettes worked between the top and bottom. Simply wearing a black jacket and black jeans could look like ass, if there's not enough contrast that it merges together, like you said.

There was actually a few threads where this subject was brought up, and we posted some monochromatic fits and discussed why some look good and some don't. I'm still learning, but for me the most important element of a good monochromatic fit is the sharp contrast between top and bottom silhouettes, whether from texture,subtle color or sheen variations, etc.

The three factors that influence what I wear are
>weather
>location
>mood
They intersect a lot of the time.
Hot weather makes me relaxed and lazy so i'm more inclined to wear a T and some cropped jeans for comfort and lack of effort
If it's cold then I tend to get more down which leads to me not wanting to wear colours other than black and white and I layer a lot more to keep myself warm
You can see where i'm going with this
Hope it helps

>>6943781
sorry, fashion's a big useless word actually, it's supposed to just mean what's popular as a rough definition.

a better way to say it would be that interest is piqued when contrast is achieved. Fashion in the art world can defy this entirely by doing exactly what you just said, fashion can really do whatever it wants on the runway. but if you want to be interesting looking, achieving contrast is paramount, where failing to contrast properly, or not contrasting at all, can only have negative impacts on how you look to everybody else.
>inb4 I don't dress for others
yes, maybe so, but if you applied these techniques effectively, maybe you'd like how you dressed even more.

>>6943784
you sound like you know more than me, but how you're phrasing it makes it sound like something I'm trying to say
>Since drama is fundamentally about creating a shocking surprise, it has to be conveyed through contrast
that describes what I'm coming to realize recently, and why everytime I see someone post a mishmash of texture and colour, I don't know how to tell them why I don't like it, but I know it looks bad, and everyone agrees.

that's why I made this thread!

So basically, my view on the monochrome thing is that it removes a huge aesthetic tool. Without color, you make yourself more aware of the other elements of the stuff you're wearing. I see fashion as a learning experience, and I'm concerned most with the journey towards learning how to convey an idea through clothing. So when I'm wearing all black, it feels like the crutch is gone, and when I don't pay attention to silhouette or fabric then I can look in the mirror and I can tell it looks bad somehow, and I can articulate it.

PS There was this one monochromatic fit with green and orange writing on it that I know someone saved which shows a lot about what I mean about the contrast between the top and bottom that's so important to monochromatic fits.

(I'm not saying that all good fits need contrast but I think that it's a convention that needs to be broken with a purpose.)

Speaking of contrast, the latest Thom Browne collection is really making me want to try a punk-ish fit inspired by XVIIth century noblemen fashion. But punkish or grungy. That is to say with rugged, coarse fabrics, military clothes and repurposed stuff.
How can that be achieved without looking like a steampunk cosplayer?

>>6943808
>>6943828
I see how texture is harder to convey when colour's thrown into the mix, in this sense being monochrome is effective and nice. I don't mean to imply that being monochrome is bad, I'm very unbias right now in which style is good or bad, I do believe that improper use of colour and texture is basically the same thing as being tasteless, and is inherently bad.

So to sum it up, I don't dislike monocrhome, I dislike people who have no concept of it, and simply use it because they are inept at everything.

>>6943812
thanks for all the elaboration. I'd like to save all this information and actually learn here so this is helpful stuff
>>6943830
That's interesting, and I've heard it before. my mood's pretty scattered so I've never really put my mood into my clothes, but I'd probably feel more comfortable with my environments if I started to. feel how you look and look how you feel, or maybe even look how you want to feel?

pic isn't me, and sorry for the guy that it is, it's just a thing that caught my eye yesterday in a bad way.

>>6943905

You should hit the gym brah xD

>>6943873
what pants/shoes are these? dig the fit.

>>6943905
>pic isn't me, and sorry for the guy that it is, it's just a thing that caught my eye yesterday in a bad way.

Then it's good that you posted it because it can spark discussion.

Maybe obvious, but: because he has that horizontal line of color on his chest while the silhouette and texture and color is consistent on the waist, he's shifted the focal point upwards and obscured the waist. I think it's important to move beyond saying "that looks good" or "that looks bad" and instead think of what effect his decision had.

In this case I agree that something looks wrong about it, but I'm sure the same concept could work in a different fit. Usually with drop crotch pans and oversized tees we try to shift the focus the other direction. Why?

>>6943905
i agree, the black on black doesn't work here for me. it looks like a weird jumpsuit or onesie. plus the shirt is just bad.

>>6943873
>I'm not saying that all good fits need contrast but I think that it's a convention that needs to be broken with a purpose

I hope I understand what you mean, as in contrast shouldn't be broken if you don't understand it well enough to break it properly?

if so that would reinforce what I was trying to say here
>>6943708
>as long as you know the rules you're breaking it's better than being oblivious

also have seen this fit before and liked it quite a bit.

in the fall/winter I tend to wear darker/warmer colors, as well as a looser/baggier fit because it gets pretty cold up here in CANADA

in the spring/summer i wear tighter, brighter clothes

i also reserve boots and large jackets for that messy part of spring as well as fall after it starts snowing, and winter

wearing all black with varying greyscale and boots in the summer is fucking retarded

>>6943905
Honestly I prefer black because I can retreat into it
Makes me feel safe in a way
Whereas white makes me feel clean and gives me a weird optimistic feeling
I think it reminds me of my chef whites which is why I feel more upbeat and "awake" when I wear white stuff
That's as much detail as I can go into m8e
Don't like delving into my psyche much
Interesting thread idea tho , hope it kicks off
Want to see user/gaspard/mama's replies when I check the thread later
Also that fit you posted is p.bad

>>6943873
So do you like or dislike the fit you posted?

>>6943731
tentatively I agree but you also have to consider the contrast between your outfit and the environment

>>6943939
I'll tell you why it looks bad: he shifted the focus on his upper body, but has a really dull face.

BUT his shoes, being full of details and light, shift the focus back on his shoes. While this could be a good thing if it engaged us to pay more attention to the details and subtleties of all the stuff he did between the two, here it doesn't work, because there are no details and subtleties to pay attention to.

as a result, his aesthetic is mitigated and downplayed by an awkward, yet hardly surprising composition.

Best thread on /fa/ in a while. I'd love to hear User's opnions on this.

>>6943905
His fit elongates his silhouette, but his babyface and the relative safety of his cloth choices make it look tryhard.

Now that theory is pretty much established, can we move on to practical applications?

Say I wish to wear an all-black slightly gothninja fit (more on the drapey, folded and rugged side than on the elongated and thin side), should I don a light scarf to make it look less dull or would it negate the silhouette by bringing too much attention on the head and interior shapes?

Great thread!
Interesting thought processes so far. Seems like I am too primitive for such stuff. I just pick stuff and try to imagine wether it looks good or not. And mostly I am undecided…

E.g. this one ←
So it probably is fall/winter (pants and belt) with summer (linen), and thus probably not very good? I think it looks like a weird combination, but the explanation given above is something I just realized here.

Or am I wrong?

>>6943944

I don't know enough about fashion to be hypothesizing about rules. I'm just trying to understand why I am attracted to certain things. I don't think that an outfit even has to be attractive. There are certain fits that I feel uncomfortable looking at. But that's not always a bad thing. It's more about the concept of quality, which is a huge topic in itself.

I mean, just look at this picture and tell me what you think. I know it's a stock photo and it's not really fair, but it has some interesting things happening anyway.

What's your first reaction?
Do you like it?
Why?

There's really no wrong answer. But when you're typing your answer, you'll learn something about how the clothes create an aesthetic (and we will too).

>>6943956

I like it, but by itself that's not important. Let's try to move away from whether a bunch of people label something "good" or "bad." In that fit I think the subtle color variation is what makes it work.

i feel like there needs to be an idiots guide to texture or something, because ive noticed texture in fits and stuff and ive always tried to play around it rather than with it in my own sense of dress

>>6943939
I get what you are saying about shifting the focal point, but i think for most people it should be somewhere near the waist. Simply because the mass of the human body usually looks terrible if uninterrupted for too long in the same fabric/colour.

>>6943939

I think in his case there are too many elements and too little synergy. I can't elaborate in which ways each thing doesn't work with the other, but the flyknits are scattered (someone mentioned) and it contrasts the top of the shirt. two focal points defying each other?
It seems pretty tricky, we want some things to contrast, but we also need balance, which is practically an antonym to contrast.

I think i can break down what's really wrong in this fit
top to bottom is solid block shoulder, block pocket, block waist, block pants, and then shoes that defy everything else's blocky nature.
with no balance between the contrast, synergy is lost and it's just a random clash of things.

>>6944017
I don't like it, because while it seems to be aiming at narrowing the silhouette (few horizontal folds, all black) the thickness of the material and the relatively loose cut actually make it look "chubby" if you see what I mean.
Also it might need another shade of grey. Like, actually grey, even if dark, not "light black".

it looks like a pajama.

>>6943960
>has a really dull face

>>6943981
>his babyface

Your physique and face have a huge influence on the aesthetic you convey, even if the clothes are identical, but at the same time I feel like there's other things happening with that fit which would make it awkward no matter how he looked. And no matter what, it's definitely important to find a look that works for you.

>>6944037
>balance, which is practically an antonym to contrast
wrong, contrast can create balance in a dynamic way.

>>6944019
care to tell us about texture?

>>6944017

i dont particularly like this

it looks as though its going for a more narrow silhouette, but accentuating the waist/thighs due to how it stacks, on top of already drawing attention away from his narrow shoulders

>>6944017
I like it because it looks comfy, and because the shoes contribute to a streamline silhouette without being aggressive, again making it look comfy, but not dull.
I think from the shoes, to the pants, and to the sweater, there is a transition from dark saturate to dark desaturate which pleasantly removes anything from being a focal point, making it even comfier and easier on the eyes.

>>6944072
>comfy
only because it looks like a pajama

>>6944081
true, I think I like it for the reasons that
>>6944069
>>6944039
dislike it
which is funny, I didn't pick up on the narrowness and focal points before, but they only play into it looking more comfy and less relaxed and careful. maybe it's my fall mood that makes me want to be comfy before anything else.

we draw to strength in shapes if that's what mood we're in, and maybe towards things that lack those qualities in a different mood?

>>6944058
well that's true, but that's also like saying you need two imbalanced things to balance to other imbalanced things, dynamics would be the element necessary to create balance with more than one thing.

>>6943731

>my theory right now is that fashion requires contrast in Some manner. without contrast at all in anything, shape colour value or any other characteristic you can think a fabric could have, you become a fashionless blob

i definitely agree, i find that contrast in one form or another is necessary to pique interest in an outfit and creates a way to be eye catching, whether it is contrast with texture/silhouette/color/proportion/matte vs gloss etc

>>6944072
>>6944069
>>6944039

One thing that I think all of you guys mentioned is the unusual silhouette, how it tapers unconventionally and downplays the traditional break point at the hip (although the draping creates a contrast anyway, which complicates things).

If you look at feedback in WAYWTs, I think one of the most prevalent elements of fits that get positive reception is that they tend to emphasize the masculine body structure with a looser fit on the upper and / or a prominent V shape. A lot of fits that get shit on have a kind of diamond going the wrong way, creating the wide hips that's universally unattractive on guys, it seems. Along with the bulge on the outer quadriceps.

Like many other fits, this one breaks with the traditional silhouette. For me deciding whether it's good or bad is secondary to understanding what's happening and what effect it has on the viewer, and why.

>>6943649

>Synergy?

I think synergy has several components in the context of clothes...I think the age of the garments relative to one another (in terms of time period and how worn they are), the color, and the perceived purpose of the garments, for example sweatshirts and sweatpants have a similar perceived purpose in the context of exercise and variants on sportswear often can contribute to synergy between garments.

>Colour blocking?

a simple, powerful way to make your outfit more interesting, if you are only dealing with a few garments, for example in a summer outfit of trousers, tee shirt, and shoes, it might be necessary to also have contrasting textures or additional details/hardware to maintain an interesting outfit

>Contrast?

the lifeblood of creating interesting outfits, that is why i love using black and white so much, i always feel like the white garments provide light to make the black garments shine

>Texture?

I find it unfortunate that texture is frequently overlooked online because its harder to communicate with pictures because its so related to the sense of touch, but really the texture of different materials are the things that appeal to me most about many of the objects i buy or am attracted to. Often in my observation texture is one of the biggest differences between high quality materials and low quality materials. Like i said before, its unfortunate that it is so hard (basically impossible) to communicate on the internet.

>they are safer and easier to work with, harder to fail in regards to the elements.

I think using traditional/typically worn clothing is what makes it harder to fail on an outfit, not necessarily blacks and greys specifically. for example its much harder to fail wearing blue jeans, button down, and leather work boots than it is to wear a pair of black yohji pants, a white t shirt, and a pair of dr martens (i think)

>are your fits influenced by your environment or the season most?

99% of the time by temperature

>>6944132
don't you have several fits with black tee/black pants?

>>6944234

>whether it is contrast with texture/silhouette/color/proportion/matte vs gloss etc

>>6944237
I wasn't trying to start an argument, was just hoping that User could discuss some other ways that contrast can be created other than colour.

>>6944234

yeah many

>>6944314
lol

>>6944314

lmao what

it even kept the file name/data just changed the picture how weird.

>>6944330
Soon, soon my imgur album will be completed - it contains only pictures of yours.

>>6944330
its a bug its been happening a lot more recently though
have you ever bought anything from BLOWZSHOP on rakuten?

>>6944314
>>6944330

lololol

>>6944314
wow you're very kawaii userkun, can we listen to the infamous together ;)

>>6944330
Yeah, do you mind posting any where you are literally only wearing one black/grey tee?

thanks

>>6944330
ゴニョ ゴニョ

>>6944358

yeah here is a wide cut tee thats cropped pretty short as well

>>6944347

yeah i got some rick tees from them. theyre cool

>>6944373
ok thanks. I think the black to black top/bottom thing only really looks bad if the pieces are unremarkable in every way.

>>6944373

on that steve jobs tip

>>6944373
aight i think i might get this jil sander blazer from them cuz it's only like 60 bucks

>>6944218
what color is this shirt?
where can i find something similar?

>>6944420

id describe it as a faded brick red, definitely an earth tone, but like a dusty red i guess.

im not sure where to find one because its such a specific color, this one is drkshdw.

>>6944382

yeah, i mean as long as you have enough interesting parts of the garment you are ok, but if everything is very simple, you need to add other stuff to make the outfit more cool to look at.

>>6944390

nice hope it works for you

>>6943899
Unless you're a UK82 clown, Punk fashion is just work boots, jeans, and t-shirts all day every day.
I dunno what the fuck you're trying to blend the fashion of the 17th-century aristocracy in there.

>>6944444
lol is that the one that was on ebay that had "silly cunt" stitched onto the front?

>>6944480

haha yeah, definitely one of the better purchases ive made in awhile

>>6944444
thanks, nice quintuplets
i loved earth toned clothes but idk where to buy them at low prices because im not ready to buy expensive clothes

>>6943939
there's also no transition from the pants to the shirt.

>>6944138
how do you make more of the V shape in clothes?

do you have to get it baggier in the shoulders and tighter in the mid section and thats it?

>>6944912
no, it has to look straighter in the shoulders.
not necessarily tighter in the midsection, but narrower, or with vertical folds.

>>6944955
yeah i think my body just might not be good enough since I have good fitting shirts but my hips are still wide.

I need to just work my uper body probs

>>6944495
how do you wax your own denim?

what wax to buy?

also is it worth it or should i just buy pre-waxed jeans?