/fa/ - Fashion

Living in that shit that everyone wants to rip off?

Feels good man.

>diagonal zip hoody
>IT'S DICK OVENS

Is this really what /fa/ thinks? Zara is shit, but diagonal zips have been around since before Rick was born and they're not even a trademark of his or anything.

In fact, Rick's a great designer, but a lot of his work consists of reworkings of classic stuff.

>>6729958
Or, this one's more diagonal.

>>6729958
>>6729971
>diagonal zips have been around since before Rick was born
>only posts leather jackets

wow A+ solid proof man i'm convinced

>>6729958
its not just the zip retard

prtty nxtlvl by zara

>>6729838

i actually really like the new things zara has been putting out.
i might be becoming a fuccboi

>>6730084
yes

>>6729989
AFAIK, the look originates in motorcycle jackets, and I'm not going to spend more time on that than going to Schott's site and copying a URL.

>>6730026
So what's "Rick" about that besides the zip and that it's kinda loose? Nothing. Could that fit in with Rick? Has Rick probably done a similar piece? Yeah, and so have other people.

It feels great, because a multibillion dollar corporation stocked with thousands of well paid marketing minds and cool hunters has decided my wardrobe looks good enough to imitate several hundred thousand times over and sold to the poors for $200 a pop.
Personally, I'm surprised it took them so long. Am I threatened? Of course not. Have you ever compared Zara counterfeits to mainline designer pieces, side by side? They're from different planets, and IRL you don't have some design school reject following you around with photoshop & lightroom in order to make your shitty polyblend look like NyCo or silk.

>>6730124
did you get this gif from tumblr
because I reblogged it and it makes me happy everytime I see it :)

>>6730124
>sold to the poors for $200 a pop.

well that's demeaning

>>6730136
It's not intended to be.
I apologize for sounding like a dick, I'm still high on endorphins from the gym.

>>6730138
Yes.

>>6730136
Pretty sure poet was being tongue in cheek and/or referring to Zara Corp's attitude.

>>6730136

poet gets a little defensive when people harsh on high end designers

no offense poet m8

>>6730138
its from cowboy bebop

>>6730164
its from cowboy bebop

i only mention because its worth knowing and worth watching

>>6730089

#tybc

>>6730171
None taken, I've been too defensive lately and I agree 100%.

>>6730241
it's probably from the protein shakes and creatine

>>6730256
Now that I think about it, I feel a *lot* more aggressive since I started lifting and dumping supplements into my body. Is this normal?

>>6730264
yeah

>>6730271
Ok, good.

>>6730124
>sold to the poors for $200 a pop

try $69.99 buddy, u mad? thats what your style is worth and now your high horse 'muh expensive designer' will be tossed out the window for plebs that wear h&m to start walking around in

>>6730651
stop

>>6730264
wat
what r u evn taking

>>6730651
what is your picture trying to say?

>>6730656
goofninjas need to get off their high horse. about time this shit starts coming out to bring them back to reality

>>6730665
that his outfit is fucking retarded

check out asos front page

>black: the only colour you need

it's over

>>6730670
assassins creed is /fa/ as fuck though

>>6729838
wtf
i dont understand that double zip
can it not be zipped up or is there a smaller toggle underneath...
wtf is happening
are those sleeve zips just to alter the sleeve diameter?
wtf is this
wtf

Also
>0 pockets
>rick owens

>>6730651
????
the repro.s don't look as good tho
also poet isn't a goof lol

>>6730683
>>>/v/ pls go

>>6730685
shut up faggot you love clothing of a designer that made a glove you cant even wear

>>6730690
post a better fit

ITS HAPPENING

GOOFS ARE FINISHED

FAST FASHION DIFFUSION WILL END THEM

>>6730693
>you cant wear it
ain my fault ur a pussy ass bitch B)

>>6730695

>>6730713
post fit with glove on or be forever #ethered

>>6730724
GG anon.

>>6730724
I've always hated that shithead.

>>6730720
autism

>>6730724
i dont have 1k to drop on gloves

nice photoshop btw

>>6730729
are you kidding me? you actually think poets fit is better than that? leave /fa/ forever you fuccboi bitch

As a fuccboi, I am very curious as to why Zara gets so much flak.
Is it at least ok at entry level? And it has to be better than fedoracore t-shirts and cargo shorts.

>>6730738
>you

>mfw i shop at thrift stores and get better fitting & looking clothes for 1/10th the price you /fa/gs pay

>>6730740
>you

>>6730747
hahaahaha

>>6730742
more like 1/100th for me

>>6730713
>>6730724
I thought I smelled pleb

>>6729838
I'm probably gonna cop this tbh. It's gonna look nice.

>>6730742
>doesnt post a fit

i totally believe you

>>6730724
heh

dont worry his style will change in a year or two anyway

>>6730176
what episode?

>>6730736
/fa/ hates them because they rip off high-end fashion designers quite a bit (meaning they're commercializing fasion that /fa/ thinks should be exclusive to richfags).

obviously you get what you pay for and the quality isn't great, but it's no worse than any other mall-tier stores.

they have some good basics and at least their cloths aren't made for people shaped like refrigerators like most retailers.

>>6730760
this looks fine though
you should probably remember that turnleft isn't white and can pull off more than you can

w2c shirt doe

>>6730164
Why are you blaming hormones for your own actions? I think we have some control over what we do.

>>6730773
lmfao i'm so glad you have this i've been looking for this thread forever

true classic

>>6730736
no you can do better than zara

>>6730772
>this looks fine though
suggest you lurk longer kiddo

>>6730772
>turnleft isn't white and can pull off more than you can

leave
captcha: seriously byvoul

>>6730780
>>6730783
samefag too obvious and i'm fine, thanks, i've been here longer than you have.

>>6730783
>tfw this fit probably costs 3k

>>6730776
What?

>>6730783
>>6730760
>>6730724
lol

>1 1/2 years later
>still mad

>>6730784
>ohreally.jpeg

post a fit fuccboi

>>6730784
screencapped as fast as i could

>>6730796
How does it feel to have your dick rode on?

>>6730796
lol

>>6730794
H&M, $40 pants, $80 top and boaties free B)
true 2 the hobo life

3/4 is sold now though ._.

>>6730798
>>6730799
you need to chill out doe lol

>>6730784
>>6730798
>>6730799
#rekt

fuck you guys

>>6730799
>>6730798
>that filename
Nice try idiots.

>>6730808
>>6730810
heh

also the archive shows post times

>>6730799
>>6730798
>OPENING A NEW BROWSER IS SO HARD A DURRRRRRRRRRR

>>6730813
thats the default file name when you screencap on linux you piece of shit

>>6730815
>>6730813
>oh wow more than one person owns an apple device

go fuck yourselves idiots

chill out

>>6730835
shut the fcuk up bitch your fits are terrible

>>6730841
>dirty floor
>absolutely disgusting

>>6730841
w2c jeans

>>6730841
that was my thrift fit (which was bad, yeah)
here's my other one

dunno y ur taking this so srs tho

>>6730854
>walter white shoes

>>6730777
Bby I'm young teach me how

>>6730848
the fuck u say

>>6730850
511's
they are bad tho dnc

>>6730865
ur floor is not ideal for a banana

>>6730867
shh

>>6730880
ok im sorry i just cleaned it

>>6730854
are those wallabees or some copy from a random brand?

>>6730892
red wing moc toes olive mohave

>>6730813
wtf are u trying 2 prove?

>>6730854
Looks like some goofy ass fit /mu/cooltop would post.

>>6730854

banana confirmed for actually being Burial

>>6730651
The only remote similarity is the hood.
Also that's a good fit.
You sure showed him though.

>>6730773

Are you seriously reposting poet's drug diatribe to try to make him look bad? All it does is make me empathize with the dude. Cut the guy some slack.

>>6730738
>you actually think poets fit is better than that
That's not what was implied.

The person who said 'post a better fit' wanted you personally to post a better fit.
Hence,
>autism

>>6730966
I'm asking with sincerity. I didn't mean any harm or ill.

>>6730936
wat
i am not a goofy im banana

>>6730949
i'll burial my stem in ur mum's anther

>>6730264
that's pathetic.

>>6730982

That was meant to be taken as a compliment buddy. I'm sure you don't eat at McDonald's though

>>6731000
lol i know i was making a funni joek
<3

>>6730773
what is this hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

>>6730783
comfy/10

>>6731124
One of poet's many meltdowns

>>6731000
>eat at McDonald's

lol top obscure burial ref

ITT we mock unarguably the best poster on the board except maybe Anorak, who doesn't post, about being a human.

Come the fuck on.

Plus, it's good writing.

>>6731172
It's the beginning of a short story, don't confuse the children.

>>6730662
I'm eating a lot of red meat (which I never do) and taking a lot of creatine/protein/pre-workouts. I've also been getting a lot of bad news pertaining to family members lately, and I think that it's got me on edge.

H&M has a knock off GIMP hoody,
H&M had knock off rick tanks
H&M had knock off DRKSHDW jeans
H&M once had knock off DRKSHDW canvas and denim jackets

>>6731246
ok, i understand

this may help

>>6731246
You've mentioned a novel you're writing; how's it coming?

>>6731276
Hey, thanks for that! I appreciate it. Have everything but the flax. I'll switch up my pre/post this week, see how it feels.

>>6731282
It's almost done, actually. I stopped working on it about two months ago in order to put more time in at work. I needed money for a whole orgy of fresh cops.
I also stopped having the dreams I was pulling the better bits from - winging it has been a lot harder since then.

>>6731315
I think I'd love to cop it one day. Good luck getting it finished and published.

>>6730773
pls respond

>>6731322
Thanks, brother! If the publishing world is anything like the music world, I'll probably just upload the thing to a cloud someplace and be done with it. It's only really the making that matters, anyway.

>>6731276
hello diabetes

everything has sugar in it.

that whey protein, is from walmart, its not whey protein it's chocolate shake MIX with whey in it, only about 19 grams a serving for the 23-35 grams of sugar in it,

nesquick is pure junk food

quaker oats are not whole natural oats, it's steel cut oats processed much like white flour and sugar added to it hence "quick oats"


he is honestly ingesting several hundred grams of simple carbs in the form of processed sugar and white flour

>>6731246
>>6731246
>caring about family
>2013

u can never control ur familys actions

>>6731246
creatine is dubious
imo skip on it and put towards rick owens

>>6731343
well yeh it says u need the simple carbs
imo nesquik should be skipped tho
i only use steel cut personally

>>6731353
creatine is fine, it works and taken in correct dosage is not harmful. Just use micro-release formula, as there is no need for loading or cycles, though cycles are still encouraged.
Drink lots of water, and don't take if you have to work in heat for extended periods of time, cause it will dehydrate you.

>>6731343
I kind of agree with this, but I will try the routine after substituting the sugary stuff for whole grain oats and sugar-free protein. No nesquick, obv, that's just corn syrup.

>>6731344
They've always been there for me. There are only three of us - no dependable relatives on either side. We're all we have.

>>6731353
I hear it just makes the muscles retain more water and all gains from it are superficial, but hey - I'm really new to being muscular and it's a lot of fun to look at, even if I'm still DYEL mode.

>>6731389
how is working out being older? i've always heard being older is bad on your gains. did you try it when you were younger?

>>6731389
its an intermediate in the chemical energy chain that powers ur muscles

it just gives you a couple more reps

you should cycle it thought if you don't want side effects

>>6731405
>cycle
Gotcha.

>>6731369
go to sprouts organic foods, and buy organic oats-whole bulk food

it's cheaper and not processed.

I eat them for breakfast with agave nectar (less than half a table spoon), skim milk soaked over night, and shredded green apple.

you can also buy whey protein at the bulk food section as well, no sugar, no filler like that GNC or walmart brand crap.

I cut mine with a little soy protein so it's easier for me to ingest (Asian).

Yakult once a week/everyother week if I need it, even though high in sugar, helps regulate with whey protein rich foods.

natto, and brown rice, quinoa in there as well, raw spinach salads

just because you're eating "healthy" or working out doesn';t mean you get to eat crap food all fucking day

what are you kids? teenagers working out for the foot ball team?

plus only a little bit of water mixed in with the high sugar, high salt rich diet he's eating?

my nutritionist would shit bricks and throw a tantrum

anwyas most runners don';t hydrate enough.

cycle and as much water as your bike allows, saddle cages, frame cages etc

>>6731335
The thing about self-publishing, for a number of stupid reasons that nonetheless turn out to be valid anyway, is that almost nothing put out that way will be taken seriously. Or at least nothing book-length.

An "indie" sensibility never really developed, probably because publishers aren't as big of dicks as record companies. Also probably because writers tend to play their conflicted egos out less on the world than musicians.

So you get a sort of self-perpetuating cycle: despite everyone knowing that most good work doesn't get published, and that what does out of it is near-arbitrary, no one wants to self-publish, because the only people who go ahead and self-publish anyway are the clueless who've usually taken Twilight or pulp romance novels as their model and turn out stuff that's sub-pulp, and no one wants to get lumped in with all that.

It's terrible, and kudos to you if you feel like bucking it, but it'll be received completely differently than putting out your own music.

And sorry if you know all this already. But count on at least one download.

>>6731394
iirc creatine in the body in regards to metabolic work provides a more effecient means of transporting energy - effectively ensures that their are few 'hick-ups' during ATP binding - acting to supplment the cross bridge

the question is that how does orally ingesting creatine work the creatine into your muscles...

there aren't dedicate creatine transporters.
i would think it just breaks it down into other molecules (prob sugars) and takes it as glucose opposed to creatine

also all my biochem lectures discredited while guys i know in sportsci say there's credited it...
the pathway doesn't work out though/exist as far as I;m aware

think about collagen tablets.

>>6731442
d
theirs ._.

also taking dietary advice from a kid who says

"chocolate" whey protein isolate is the best "flavor" is a massive red flag

>>6731462
preferred flavor
fuck off u sensationalist

>>6731410
I was always a runner and a cyclist (altho on&off) when I was younger, and since I'm naturally very thin I probably have an easier time showing gains.
I tried lifting briefly in my 20's but I didn't have the drive for it, I was still a really irresponsible person and I think you need to change your whole way of life if you want to do it right. Eat clean, little-no alcohol, cut out sugars, eat regularly, quit smoking (or at least cut down/switch to vape). Discipline.
Most noticeable diff? I don't recover as fast as I used to. I have the occasional joint pain, but those have gone away as I've built muscle.
TBH I'm probably in the best shape of my life right now. I might have had greater endurance when I was running cross country as a teen or biking 30+ miles a day in my 20's, but right now I just feel healthy and capable and... better than I ever have before.
I think it's what you make it. I certainly don't advise aging without making exercise a part of your life. I know loads of people who look nothing like the vibrant, thin, beautiful people they were ten-15 years ago - They gave up, they kept eating shit and doing nothing, and poof! It catches up.

>>6731494
woah, im in xc. Do you have any advice? Thanks for responding.

>>6731442
I'm no biochemist, I've just been on multiple cycles of the stuff, and I like it. I've noticed positive trends while I'm on cycles- in both how I feel and logged gains.
Maybe your right, maybe it's in my head or something, but if I can throw down 20 something bucks a month for a few months to trick my brain into helping me lift better, so be it.

>>6731462
my fave is unflavoured cuz i like bland shakes

>>6731437
i eat all those things already except the agave nectar and soy

lol

>>6731492
whey protein isolate does not have a flavor

also he throws more chocolate artificially flavored high fructose corn syrup into it

making it shit

>>6731510
yeah the psychological thing is totally different ;s

its just annoying when people try recite shit theyve read off the back of 'body building supplement' jars; taking it as the word of god w/o any prior knowledge on the process.

the whole industry is full w/ shit like that.

>>6731532
>>6731532
who cares, a little chocolate won't kill you and i think the exercise he's doing makes up for it

everything is ok in moderation rite??

>>6731508
Advice on what?
Honestly, I'm so tall and thin I feel like I've always been at an advantage for XC. I was never serious about sport - I usually just skipped as many practices as I could and did the minimum. It was something I had to do in the school I was at. I did much better as a sprinter, actually.
With the exception of paintball, biking, skating and running away from cops/people/problems, I've never been much for sport. I'm surprised I love lifting as much as I do. When Rick says "clear-eyed gym queen calm" I totally understand what he means. There's something very Zen about it all. I'm interested to see how far I can take it.

>>6731534
I only did research as far reading a few articles, trying to get negative, positive, and neutral stances on it. Decided I would try it for myself and enjoyed. Stopped for the summer because I work in the heat often, didn't want to pass out.

>>6731532
aren't you, like, fat?
does that make you a citable source on this sort of thing or something'?

>>6731437
>agave nectar

Agave "nectar" is just greenwashed sugar syrup. Maple syrup master race.

>>6731563
post your gains
maybe text me some dick pics too?

>>6731563
Advice on running, how did you manage with skipping practices? I feel like shit when I skip a day.

>>6731437
lol sieg has a nutritionist.

What a tool.

>>6731580
Find an activity that's aerobic and entertaining enough to keep you interested. For me this was biking and urban exploration.
I also had a massive reserve of natural energy when I was younger and regularly propped myself up with prescription stimulants.
If you have an RX for Ritalin, you can probably get away with snorting 80 milligrams right before the hundred yard dash.

>>6731626
Thanks.
I tried to get ADHD drugs but my doctor probably saw that I was drug-seeking and offered me therapy instead of drugs. I'm ashamed that I stooped down to actually getting drugs instead of making myself work harder.

>>6731626
Hey, poet. This may seem so out-of-the-blue, but a few weeks ago you recommended that I read "Kafka on the Shore" by Murakami. I loved that book and I quickly bought a copy afterwards. I just wanted to thank you for introducing me to such a great author.

Now go back to being /fa/.

>>6731651
> just wanted to thank you for introducing me to such a great author.

Imo Murakami has an incredible style, but that's all. Obviously it's hard to judge the true nature of a novel by reading the translation.

>>6731651
Awesome!!!!
>>6731649
>I'm ashamed that I stooped down to actually getting drugs instead of making myself work harder
Don't be, have you seen the world we live in? It's really hard to do things the right way when everyone else is taking shortcuts. Especially in school and sport? Everyone is doing drugs to get ahead, and seeing as how your grades can determine your college and so on and so forth, it's just a mad rush sometimes. Succeed or minimum wage, right? Don't stress it, it's just a lie they tell you to keep you on your toes.
A proper work ethic can take years to develop and I think it has to come from within 100%. You might have to rewrite your entire program! I sure did.

>>6731667
>incredible style, but that's all
I think that has more to do with the nature of a lot of Eastern Literature (japanese esp. IME) more than it has to do with murakami.

>>6731696
>A proper work ethic can take years to develop and I think it has to come from within 100%. You might have to rewrite your entire program! I sure did.

elaborate please.

>>6731696
I want to try but at the age I'm at, it's going to be hard to find a reputable dealer and things of that sort. I'll be on the lookout but I don't want to get myself into trouble. Honestly, I'm very scared and anxious about the future and finding ways to get ahead.

>>6731696
>how your grades can determine your college and so on and so forth,

if you're having a hard time in high school you're a failure in life

also too young for the board

>>6731722
are you a harvard graduate m8?

>>6731709
There's a difference between doing something the right way because you have to and doing it because you want to. You can have a work ethic beaten into you by your superiors, or you can decide that it's time for you to change the way you work and exist and begin restructuring your entire life to accommodate this change.

I think it's different when you come to a life of discipline from a position of total freedom. That's a different breed of drive and discipline than having no other option, you know? It feels purer.

>>6731722
But you're a complete failure in life, and you have several degrees.

>>6731722
fuck off you pretentious cunt

>>6730089
Keep up the good work.

>>6731802
are you back for good now? we need you on the supreme drops

>>6731809
Shit that wasn't supposed to be on.

Also lel.

>>6731818
>Rei !p8eYCadcMo
>>6731818
yeah whatever #clones

>>6731732
Thanks. I agree.

>>6731740
A nice concise burn. 8/10. Well put.

>>6730773
My original intent was to illustrate Zara's own awareness of its status as a downmarket replicator of high fashion originals, but I really didn't have the energy or the citations, to be honest.

The basic model that drives all fashion retail involves making garments and selling them for more than it cost you to make them. Simple, right? The trick is to do it again and again, every season, never failing, always in the black. This is hard! Even though some designer somewhere will always manage to come out of the season with a profit, it's not always the same guy (obviously). You could make bank one season and flop the next, right? But somewhere, someone is making a profit in the fashion industry. If only there was a way to feed off of that one, ever-changing successful designer of the season...
...And so Zara comes to the table with a new approach. Instead of hiring designers, instead of shooting for a unified vision and taking risks, Zara lays in the cut each season, waiting for the cream to rise to the top.
When a design hits it big, Zara tells its pattern cutters and a small army of unter-designers & lawyers to copy it. The entire counterfeiting process, from the moment this order is given to the moment the garment hits stores? It happens in under 2 weeks.
The build usually involves cheap polyester, slave labor and deceptive fabric treatments that come off in one wash. But in-store? In store, it's the designer dream, for less money.
As far as i'm concerned, this sort of lie is only a hop, skip & a jump away from payday loans, cash 4 gold, rent-a-center and all the other false bargains that the aptly named "Poverty Industry" uses to dupe the lower half of the tax bracket out of every last penny they can muster. It's a shameful business model and I despise how every season, it turns the lifework of a different creative soul into a few empty dollars and laughable fits.

That is all.

>>6732890
idk m8, you've reiterated this 3x at least
ppl are still copping zara as seen in our recent cops threads

>>6732913
I know I've reiterated it 9001 times, but I really had to explain why I chose to use the words "The poors".

>>6732937
are there any books i can read? i want citations and accuracy

>>6732931
i probably missed it but i'm looking for a convincing case on why everyday use of drugs can be beneficial

>>6730740
is that fucking real LMAOOO

>>6732937
I'm sure you know plenty of functioning people who would fall apart without their morning coffee, afternoon cigarette and evening drink(s). Guess what, they're drug addicts.
We've been getting high on one thing or another since before we could walk upright. There's not really much of a discussion to be had.

>>6732968
i understand that but caffeine has become a "softer" drug. it's more suited to casual use now as opposed to like adderall or benadryl

>>6732913
>>6732890
The crazy thing about people buying Zara is that it's also the most expensive fast fashion retailer, if you count out stuff like J. Crew and AllSaints, and IMO the one that executes its pieces the least well. Every one of its pieces that I've looked at seems off somehow in a way that even H&M doesn't, and did back even when I didn't really know the score. And H&M is usually half the price.

Add Uniqlo, which isn't very original but as far as I can tell isn't blatantly copying people and does some interesting stuff with materials, into the mix in the same price range as H&M and I just don't understand what people see in Zara.

Like look at the way this shirt blouses out on their human model shot in a studio. Who looks at that and decides it looks good?

>>6732973
'soft' and 'hard' are only cultural delineations. Some cultures use opium regularly for generations and do just fine. In other cultures that makes you a hard drugs addict. With some exception, drugs are drugs. Be honest - societal acceptance doesn't REALLY turn a drug into a supplement.
It's only our relationship with drugs that changes, and people will always alter their perception of reality through either drugs, art or spirituality. It's just one of the things our species does.

>>6732973
"Soft" and "hard" are not scientific categories. Compare Adderall - widely prescribed, generally tolerable side effects, doesn't impair you while you're on it - to alcohol.

>>6732995
this guy has it figured out.

>>6732995
>>6733000
ok, i get that. i'm just interested in reading more about it. are there any books/articles you can point me towards?

Nobody cares because zara quality is so vile that it's barely even wearable

>>6732976
They get away with being the most expensive because their thefts are the most blatant (outside of F21) and thus bring the target demographic closer to the real thing than any other fast fashion retailer.
I understand this business model requires keeping a lot of lawyers on retainer.

>>6733003
DEFINITELY pic related. It's my go-to book for all these matters.

>>6733019
Thank you, is there anything else you recommend? I'm going to check out my library

>>6733028

Watch The Wire for an entertaining evisceration of the drug war.

>>6733028
I have to think on it.
Definitely William Burroughs' "Junkie", and "Naked Lunch" is basically a long prose poem about being an addict and having to hustle. Burroughs had a son who died young but wrote two great books - "Speed" and "Kentucky Ham" (Ham is about early rehab in Lexington KY).
Jim Carroll's Basketball Diaries and its sequel (I think it's called "forced entries").
Bukowski's Factotum is a great look at the life of an alcoholic loser.
On the dealer side? Look up "Aint No Makin' It" and "In Search of Respect".
There are a lot of great junkies in old Iceberg Slim novels that are spot on.
Then there's a book called "Speed Culture" that's hard to find but very fascinating. All about the proto-meth scene in the 60's and 70's, as well as fun facts about how many of the 20th century's greatest achievements were driven by oceans of amphetamine.

>>6733012
It just makes me kind of sad - like people are looking at clothes on a checklist. "Black? Covered placket? Smallish point collar? Ohmigod, it's like that Damir!" And completely missing out on what makes it work.

I just don't get it - I saw the stuff sucked before I even knew anything about fashion the average American doesn't pick up through osmosis. Like do people not *look*?

I know you probably agree; I'm just ranting.

>>6733028

PiHKAL and TiHKAL are good if you're into psychedelics.

>>6733086
People don't look, or they go through life simply assuming that designer clothes are not for them. I did this when I was starting out a lot. It was very silly. I just sort of went through life accepting that I would never be able to look a certain way, and so lesser incarnations really seemed like a good idea for a little while.
I would hit sample sales and clearances and whatnot but I really felt like I didn't deserve to drop a grand on one garment, even if I had the money on hand. Like, I couldn't wrap my head around it and yet I wanted the look, so badly.

>>6733064
ETA: There's a beautiful scene in Speed where the narrator is on a rooftop as a storm rolls in, thinking about how shit his life is. He taps a pile of pure amphetamine into his upturned palm and waits for the downpour to commence before shooting up with rainwater.

>>6733096
+1

>>6733128
I get the "assuming designer clothes aren't for them," and honestly I personally still have a hard time seeing myself dropping a grand on things, to a large extent because the kind of stuff I want mostly tops out near a grand retail and I know I can get it somewhat cheaper.

Which is kind of what I really don't get - one drop of thought and ten minutes of Google will land you at a website where you could get a shirt in exactly that style made to measure out of cheap black cotton for $20.

Similarly, at least to me, the cheaper fast fashion retailers seem to actually produce better clothes than Zara. It's the thoughtlessness, or the lack of attention, that leaves me befuddled. Designer clothes might not seem to be for them, but good clothes, doesn't that at least seem possible with a bit of savvy and effort?

>>6733270
I think companies like Zara & AllSaints serve as the only portal to designer fashion many people are even aware exists. What these guys do well is curate looks. They take the guesswork out, you know? They enable the clueless to look less clueless by presenting people with an option they would not have chosen on their own. Zara/H&M/etc boils it all down, packages it for you, makes it easier to shop. I mean, have you ever been to a real balls-to-the-wall sample sale? It's madness! It's intimidating! How do you even choose, let alone try it on?

>>6733295
Well, most people aren't anywhere near sample sales, so that's not what I mean.

I get that most people are only vaguely aware of high fashion - it wasn't that many years ago I was getting excited about an H&M coming to the semi-flyover state capital I was living in at the time. But it wasn't just because, hey, Swedish, it must be cool! But mostly because it seemed like it offered a fresher, more modern source than the other stores available. To put it a different way, it seemed to open up new choices.

And I guess that's what I don't get about Zara, over and above anything else: I don't really see the point of fashion if it's not something I've "chosen on my own," or at least if it didn't feel like something I chose on my own, put some effort and discrimination into. Even when I've hard fanboyed stores or brands it's been about specific pieces, never something ripped out of a lookbook or editorial. I've always found it easier to sweat the details and have an opinion than not, personally.

And when there's pop-rap songs hyping thrift stores, the ability to get understanding and alternatives on everyone's desk, a metric fuckton of casually done fashion journalism, etc. I'm just left wondering where people wind up caring enough to shop at Zara but not caring enough to put in some cheap sneaker rubber and Google searches.

>>6733380
And it would be different if these stores were targeted at an older demographic that didn't live on Google anyway.

>>6731722
lol what are you then.
you're just a fat piece of shit

>>6730089
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