/fa/ - Fashion

>>6727665
I'd fuck her.

did she blow that fatty as well?

>>6727665
why is everyone making such a big deal out of this

it happens all the time at festivals

thank god cp is finally gaining much needed approval.

i dont even know who she is
fuck a slanegirl smfh

>>6727732

so she sucked a dick in public at a festival.

who cares?

I don't get it. What's supposedly happening there?

fucking australians

>>6727764
she gobbled this guys cocks at v fest infront of thousands of people and now its trending on twitter and no one knows if shes underage or a retard yet

this slutshaming is really upsetting me :(

>>6727787
yes

whats this about

>>6727776
she's underage her real identity was found and it says 16 on her profile.

>>6727776
does these pics count as CP?

>>6727787
yes

>>6727787
is the age of consent on ireland 18?

>>6727792
fuck off matt

>>6727665
Bottom right pic looks qt

>>6727803
17

>>6727792
OH FUCK OFF YOU CUNT
THREAD RUINED
BOARD RUINED
4CHAN RUINED

ALL THANKS TO YOU, YOU FAT MANC CUNT

>>6727803
age of consent has nothing to do with porn laws
age of consent is 16 in england but it doesn't mean you can take pictures of what you do

>>6727810
yeah i know, was just curious about the laws on ireland

are there pictures of said gobble?

>>6727810
yup seconded

>>6727810
Wait, didn't we all see Kiera Knightly tits when she was 16 years old in that movie?

>>6727826
yeah but first you must slay the Minotaur

Do you even know anything about this board?

>>6727829
not considered porn and she had parental consent
it's a very unusual case

>>6727776
>in front of thousands of people
How? Chelmsford bro here, wish I would've gone now :(

>>6727829
that's different, because of the laws that isn't considered child pornography

>>6727840
also it's interesting to note than until 2002 (2003?) topless page 3 models in england could be 16. seems crazy to think about now.

need pics for further research

>>6727841
well she most probably opened her mouth and put her lips round his cock

fuccboi

>>6727851
lel

>>6727851
and now look at yours you fat cretin

fight me right now

look at that disgusting fat on her stomach

>>6727861

have you seen yourself? you are like 140 lbs and are telling people to fight you??? hahahahaha

>>6727848
I mean how was this in front of 1000s of people? This kind of stuff happens all the time at festivals, especially at the V festival camp sites

>>6727869
It wasn't really, but there were a decent number of people around

>>6727872
SO FIGHT ME YOU FUCKING FAGGOT

>>6727869
it was during the eminem set right by the gates into the arena you stupid fucking autist

>>6727861
But I'm not fat. And I don't fight people I don't give a shit about.

>>6727878
>Eminem at V
Its 2013 moron

>>6727880
ROID RAGE ROID RAGE

>>6727880
>expecting random /fa/ggots to fight you
>2013
come on it's not going to happen

>>6727883
do you know who I am? I know moot, I own this board you stupid pleb hahaha smh

go post on mfa its probably more suited for you

>>6727880

look at him hahaah he's all mad now the little thing

>>6727776
jesus where do i find the pics/vids

>>6727886
oh my days you really are a little pussy arent you, come to manchester and youll get banged out

>>6727896
this
i'm legit curious now
somebody post em

Who is this flanders character?

>>6727894
Fuck off you fucking cunt. I read your reddit history and you're just a pretentious cunt there. You still don't know shit. Why are you so mad today?

>>6727905
lelders, learn to read you fucking pleb tier cunt

>>6727917
didn't you post with your trip earlier?

why are you so aggressive all of a sudden??

I have the other more obscene one but idk if I should post it

>>6727903
Just go on twitter and look on the V festival trend
>TFW this happened in my town

>>6727919
#exposed
#luhdemgunsounds
#mandown

>>6727919
>>6727919
>>6727919

>>6727919
POST A FIT THEN AND THEN FIGHT ME

Im mad because im just mad crazy bro, swag sicked out to the max as im steppin on your bro's, runnin off with your hoes,spittin out sweet flows

so yeah fucker, step up

>>6727927
yuros have no shame

>>6727932
ROID RAGE ROID RAGE
YOU'RE NOT NATTY YOU FUCKING LIAR

>>6727934
They aren't yuros they are irish

>>6727927

like anyone ever gets banned here

Would I get in trouble if I did like an imgur link or something?

>>6727927

pls do continue

>>6727927
do it

>>6727939
>V Festival
>Irish

>>6727947
Stop being a pussy mate

>>6727954
It's not at v fest you twonk there is a reason she is called slanegirl it's at slane

>>6727947

no, it would be like posting a video on youtube, as long as you don't host it you're fine

>>6727961

did the guy get/will get in trouble?

>>6727961
>neon fedora

>>6727964
rebbit - 1
/fa/ - 0

>>6727961

i wish i was her

>>6727964
And he STILL managed to get a public sex act performed on his person by a stranger.

That's some game.

>>6727961
she looks skilled

what makes me rly uncomfortable about this is that everyone is fussing over the girl doing some shameful thing and nobody cares about the dude with his cock out

>>6727973

i mean him

wait wut

>>6727977
He wouldn't have his cock out if she didn't want a gobble

>>6727977
key vs lock

>>6727975
nigga you gay

>>6727977
>willingly sucking dick in front of strangers
Vs
>getting a slag to swallow your fat load

>>6727979
this

>>6727984
are you 12?

>>6727992
no, just rational

>>6727954
more like D festival

>>6727977

why would they? she's a huge slut; the guy's just fun

i dunno whats going on

>>6727984
>>6727992
>>6727999
Anonymous Sun Jun 9 12:40:59 2013 No.7273392 [View]
>>7273367
>>6579301
>This is why it's easier for women to get sex than men.
Which is why the male pursuance of sex is more heinous.

A woman that "gets" a man is the equivalent of someone that picks up a wallet after it's been abandoned all day. A man that "gets" a woman is the equivalent of a pickpocket.

Both are despicable. One went further out of their way, and that one is clearly more heinous.

tl;dr men approve of despicable acts as long as they have to put more effort into them

>>6727983
>>6727993
>>6727984
>>6728001

>Being this MRA

You boys might look good in one of these

>>6728013
>man was grabbing them
i meant

>>6727961
this is so awks

how do you even properly enjoy a bj in this situation

>>6727964
lol

>>6728001
that's a horrible attitude
why isn't she "fun" in the same sense?
he's fingering her in another pic
what's the difference?

if the girl had her tits out and a girl was grabbing them, she would still be branded a slut and he would still be branded as fun. it's mean.

>>6727977
>hasnt seen my utube vid

>>6727996
yes you do

>>6728015
i have, friend, but i feel like society should be actively moving forward :)

>>6728015
fuck off matt

>>6728012
lel there is a difference between being men's rights activist and laughing at a girl for sucking off a bloke in public

>>6728020
who is this namefag thief

>>6728018
if you aren't laughing at the man equally as hard, then it's the same dealio brub

>>6728017
>you will never get a blowjob from a slag at a pleb festival

>>6728013

i don't make the rules bb

this is the real world B))) B))))))

>>6728027
you control your own rules man
i'm trying to project as much positivity and progression that i can through my actions
i just wish more people would, but it's all good

>>6728012
>MRA
are you actually being serious right now

nothing euphoric about it, just society and gender roles

dont have a contrarian opinion for the sake of it

>>6728018
and what about the guy sticking his cock in a girls mouth in public?

>>6728015
what utube vid

is your cock in it

>>6728013
Because both cultural and gender-based conditions in the Western world demand women to be in certain senses the cultivators of comfortability, love, and stability in the family dynamic and beyond, whereas men assume other necessary traits such as courage, ruthlessness, and deliberation for similar reasons.

If I had a plow and a shovel and had two jobs to do-- planting a field and digging a hole-- it would only make sense that I use the plow for its rightful task and the shovel for its rightful task, even though I could IMAGINE a circumstance where it would be easier for someone to use each tool for the other task.

No amount of re-education, historical revisionism and politicalization is going to change these things although the idea is very much in fashion

>>6728029
hahah you're the first one to bother calling me out, its actually me sieg niel

>>6728031

why would anyone laugh at him? he's getting bj! what a cool guy!

if a dude was eating some girl out in public how would the reactions be

would he be a beta nerd?

would she be a slut?

>>6728013
I kept trying to think of arguments where the situation would be reversed but honestly I can't think of one.

Still this is how society works, it might be unfair but there you go. No matter how much you try to justify the argument with logic, we are basically wired by society to see the girl as disgusting and because we are blokes, the guy seems fun. I imagine to girls they are both seen as in the wrong though.

>>6728032

she asked for it

>>6728039
hehe

>>6728013
key and lock analogy my boy

>>6728013
see >>6728011

le society face xDDD

>>6728048
how the fuck do you know? maybe he asked her for it? stop being a cunt

>>6728046
i understand all that, friend
but i wish people would look at the actual situation
there are no "jobs" to do
it's just too silly people sexually pleasuring each other in a pretty bad place
both are as dumb as eachother

>>6728026
i'm ok with this honestly

>>6728047

>would he be a beta nerd?

no

>would she be a slut?

yes

>>6728031
>>6728032
Because in this situation he is the one receiving while she is willingly giving what she shouldn't

>>6728055
why would it be society's fault if it's the way humans are

>>6728068
fuck off matt

>>6728073
what about the fact that he was fingering her?
both are as consenting and as active as each other
he wasn't walking around with his cock out and then she jumped on it and he was a passive observer

>>6728064
you are actually braindead

>>6728064

who cares

she got down on her knees and sucked him off

>>6728073
But she is receiving a cock. He shouldn't be giving out his cock like that.

>>6728079
good counter bro!!

>>6728047
This is exactly what I was trying to think when I posted this >>6728055

>>6728072
Our society is what makes us civilised, otherwise we are animals and animals wouldn't give a toss. I wouldn't see society as being at fault here though, it's just the way it is

>>6728078

that was pretty alpha tbh

more pics?????????????????????????????????

>>6728087
>, it's just the way it is
don't you think that society has changed quite a bit in the last 100 years? why be so accepting?

>>6728092
Even if he asked for it, she still gave consent and sucked him off. The fact of whether he asked or she asked doesn't matter, it's the fact that she did it
>2013
>being this stupid

>>6728092
you too

>how the fuck do you know? maybe he asked her for it? stop being a cunt

>>6728078
Fingering is a different situation. Here they can both be seen as wrong, or at least it is more equal. But she shouldn't be allowing him to finger her. I suppose it's the whole thing that the women has the sexual power in the situation and should learn when to give it.

Meh you have actually changed my mind on the situation kind of

all you people saying why is she a slut and stuff

consider your visceral reaction

>>6728065
There are still jobs to do, and in the eyes of everyone at the festival the Man gains worth while the Woman loses worth, and this will *Always Be* in spite of any re-education attempt. Just like if instead the man asked out a slane and slane declined, it would be slane gaining worth and the man losing worth. A woman is always going to need to be more discriminating in how she chooses partners, and if she isn't then her worth goes down. The stronger sex is still presumed to have strong characteristics, and the softer sex softer characteristics. This will always be as long as family still exists. You can say that it's two people involved in silly pleasure but it is always deeper than that, there are always deeper things at work.

>>6728097

because it's not my problem

>>6728109
so it's ok to rape people if it's in your visceral reaction?

fuck off retard virgin

>>6728095

>>6728113
idiot

>>6728109
fuck off matt

>>6728109
She's still a slut, but I suppose this debate has sort of convinced me that the guy is a cunt too

>>6728113

>>6728122
yeah thtas my point thats shes a slut

everyone visceral reaction is that shes a slut even the ones defencing her

>>6728125
No sexual organs are being shown, she is the receiver.

>>6728109
not even debating the slut thing but this was my reaction >>6728017

>>6728104
yea its reducation but not physical rewiring. updating the software but the hardware is still the same, how we're hardwired

>>6728108
Why is fingering a different situation?

>>6728107
If you ever become close with a female you might feel differently.

>>6728115
fatty

>>6728129
i'm sorry mate but that wasn't my first reaction
my first reaction was sympathy, and it's still all i feel for her
she's an idiot, but i don't think anyone should be humiliated on such a large scale

>>6728103
That's not the fucking point. What I'm trying to say is that they're both equally guilty. They both knew that what they were doing was wrong and neither of them was forced into it.

>>6728131
Surely if the difference is whether sexual organs are being shown, that makes him more "slutty".
She is being more discreet in what she shows of himself. He is parading his cock for all to see.

>>6728141
>that makes him more "slutty".

just stop

>>6728137
>my first reaction was sympathy, and it's still all i feel for her

>>6728129
she's not a slut retard, she's a sexually liberated and empowered woman, you're just too blinded by misogyny to see it .


you'd probably hate women less if you got some pussy every now and then

>>6728125

not really, i have many times and have to pretend i do in front of them or else i won't get the puss

suckn didck dat don't make u a slut
means u wanna bump have fun and catch a nut
you only live once bitch i don't wanna text
i wanna fuckn drive with this fuckn latex
it aint safe sex if u fuckn with no rubber
and if u raw dawgn you's a dumb muthafucka

>>6728147
stop trolling`

>>6728145
Why?

>>6728146
sorry i can't help it man
i don't want to see anyone made unhappy
if it was me i'd feel really bad
not that i would do it

MORE PICXS????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>6728141
But again he is the one getting head from her.

It's just the idea that men are always up for it and it is the woman's role to hold it back, which she failed to do, I doubt he would get his cock out if she wasn't going to suck him off, so she is at fault for the exposing.

>>6728165
because i dont like reading stupid shit

>>6728164
how am I trolling

do you even go on tumblr?

educate yourself

What a fucking skank. I would never let her be seen anywhere near me. I would let her suck my penor and fuck her in private though, but wouldn't tell anyone. Disgusting.

>>6728174
stop typing then

>>6728172
what about the fingering?

>>6728177
>I would let her suck my penor and fuck her in private though, but wouldn't tell anyone.
>men in charge of integrity

>>6728157
she sucked a dick in front of hundreds of people

jesus are you blind

how do you feel sympathy when common sense leads to
>if i suck this dick people might take pictures

>>6728185
rekt

>>6728184
>how do you feel sympathy when
i dunno but i'm not in control of when i feel sympathy
i know she's silly but i don't like making fun of people, it feels bad to be man

>>6728013
Man I'm the first to bitch about feminazis, but I have to agree in this aspect. Neither should do it and the guy should get ridicule for it as well.
I mean come on, he has a fucking neon fedora.

>>6728179
Fingering is more acceptable in public, even if it is seen as obscene people acknowledge it happens. This thing wouldn't have blown up if it was just a pic of her getting fingered.

Also one thing that hasn't been brought up in this argument, it's not just one bloke she's blowing.

>>6728189
>Man I'm the first to bitch about feminazis
you're coming off real mra mate

>>6728192
1. are you a male or a female
2. is it sympathy or are you confusing it for empathy

>>6728196

MIND = BLOWN

WHAT A FUCKING SLOOT

>>6728196
>Fingering is more acceptable in public
dude i'm saying that's the problem

>>6728141
you're writing militantly and coldly like a robot detached from emotion

'technically it should be like this'
thats nice but meaningless

anyone who talks about how men can be sluts needs has gone mad. they need to stop hopelessly trying to surpess they're instinctual side (cause it never actually goes

>>6728197
you're coming off real feminazi mate

See? I can strawman too.

>>6728200
1. male
2. sympahty

MOREEE PIIICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>6728197
>if you're not a feminist you are a filthy MRA LOSER who probably goes on /r9k/, they don't even have a tumblr!!!
>wtf why are there people who hate feminism??? fucking patriarchy!
hahaohwow, this is why no one can take you cunts seriously

>>6728201
You were saying I didn't address my earlier point about fingering. Fingering is more acceptable because there are no sexual organs on display. She could be wanking him off under the trousers and it would be a similar reaction, with the blowjob she actually puts his junk inside her too.

>>6728204
It puts her in a worse situation mate

I'LL BLOW EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD

ALSO I'M A GIRL

ALSO NOT A SLUT

>>6728216
just stop replying and report them

>>6728226
They aren't breaking any rules.

>>6728231
this thread is breaking rules you piece of shit

>>6728209
I think you're a good guy, but ffs we don't love deez hoes man

>>6728203
Sorry for my style I'm just trying to make my point of view clear. I don't like the way you are assuming I'm trying to ignore or suppress my true feelings just because it's not how you feel.

>>6728237
i love deez hoz :'(

>>6728226
I reported matt hopefully he'll get banned

>>6728216
i can't see how you wouldn't be a feminist in this day and age
unless you just get your knowledge of feminism from what 4chan tells you, that is

>>6727665

Who is that?

>>6728238
well you dont really feel men can be sluts in the same way women can

>>6728248
ice got a dynamic ip

>>6728254
The way I feel is that men can be sluts in their actions, but obviously most people don't really care/view it as a negative thing. I understand the reasons for this but all that olden days shit isn't really relevant any more imo.
I think it's a shame that women are still not allowed to fully express the fact that they like sex. Not that this indecent was a great way of doing that, but it shows up people's attitudes.
I think more people these days are changing their views though.

>>6728250
I'm not for women supremacy, and I get my facts by the laws they are actually pushing not what the circlejerk blog/forum tell you.
I'm for equal rights of all, not more rights for just one.

>>6727903
I would but i don't want to get banned.

>>6728269
i cba talking about this again lol but i guess it comes down to the fact that biology cant be reformed which you must think it can to hold that view

>>6728278
what laws are they pushing that work towards female supremacy?

>>6728277

no one here ever gets banned

>>6728288
>I don't get free pills wtf the medication is the exact same cost as latex tubes!
>Babies are a part of MY body, so I decide their fate! It's not like they are separate humans (or develop into humans) and it's not like someone else was involved in the process.
>Affirmative action
>Man hits a woman he should rot in fucking prison, but women should be able to beat up men to fight the PATRIARCHY
>Rape is ONLY when a man penetrates a woman
And they succeeded for the most part, look at Britbong's definition of rape.
Again, your circlejerk of blogger/forum idiots shouldn't be your best source.

>>6728241
kek

>>6728046
>cultural conditions can't be changed by culture

Seriously?

>>6728316
dude why do people act like free contraception is just for women
men wanna hit it raw too

>>6728327
>men wanna hit it raw too
fucking sexist shitheads

>>6728336
i know you are being ironic but if u thnk that's what any femenist thinks u r dumb
my gf is hardcore femenist but i hit it raw like everyday
dont nobody wanna be fucking with a rubber

>>6728327
because telling a woman to take contraceptive pills for your own benefit (as opposed to her deciding to do it solely for her own and not even at all for a man ever) is chauvinist oppression, you pig.

http://sometimesitsjustacigar.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/slanegirl-and-the-shaming-of-female-sexual-desire/

Lol

>>6728342
>having sex with a feminist
Enjoy being charged for rape when you both get drunk, as men CAN consent to sex (plus they can't even be raped, so they have to be the rapist in this case) and women physically CAN'T consent.
Fucking misogynistic loser, probably goes on /r9k/.

>>6728350

thought the link was pics

disappointed

>>6728354
lol

inb4 she offs herself in a month

why is this on /fa/ tho?

>>6728350
>I love giving blow jobs. I would struggle far more with never giving a blow job again than with never receiving oral sex myself. I was lucky enough to go to a club with a glory hole once and had an exceptionally memorable night. Being unable to see the person attached to the cock, sucking one after another, revelling in it. If any objectification was going on, I was giving far more than I was receiving.

>>6728387

pls be a woman

>>6728316
1. Everyone should get all medication free. Yes, this includes Viagra. Next.
2. What's your preferred resolution to this? It's a messy situation but it's basically insoluble and it makes the most moral and practical sense to default the decision to the most local level, to the adult, unambiguous person whose body is actually involved and will actually have to deal with the kid.
3. This is frankly trivial and you'll be hard pressed to find people who actually care too much about it, but the idea is its one means out of many to counteract the (yes) still-pervasive institutional biases against minorities.
4a. On a moral level, all acts are local. Meaning, yes, there's of course times when it's okay for a male person to use violence against a female person and vice versa.
4b. As a political act, resisting institutional violence with violence is fundamentally different thing than participating in institutional violence. (I'm thinking, here, of e.g. the Gulabi Gang.) You can still muster arguments against it, both general and local, but pretending it's the same thing is a facile tack that places you on the side of the institutions.
4c. This discussion doesn't even exist within mainstream, lowercase-l liberal feminism of the sort you see in popular media. It's usually lowercase-r radicals, for a number of historical and ideological reasons, and who usually have nuanced views on other instances of political violence, who talk about this. In other words, you can*not* throw this shit at anyone you've seen on the TV, or probably even Feministing. And not "feminism" writ large.
5. There is literally no one who believes this besides religious fundamentalists. Anyone, ESPECIALLY feminists, will tell you that any nonconsensual sex act is rape.

>>6728403
And for the record, I'm a white, basically hetero, cismale.

>>6728403

>Everyone should get all medication free.

Medication doesn't grow on trees. Someone has to work to produce it. Not paying for it means enslaving that person.

>>6728387
What a fucking whore. No wonder no one takes women seriously.

>>6727792

hey matt, apparently some girl blew these guys in public

>>6728403
>implying that there is a difference between 'feminism' and 'radical feminism'

follow the grant money and weep, friend

>>6728403
>What's your preferred resolution to this?
Make abortion illegal. It's not about the man or the woman once they create life. If they don't think they can provide for the baby then they can give it up for adoption.

>>6728420
Meaning, it should be free at the point of care. I'm not saying not supporting pharmacists, biochemists, etc.

I favor a single-payer health system, including for medicine.

Good health, including and even to an extent especially sexual health, is as much a public good as a road system. And unless they've been enslaved through the prison-industrial complex, we pay road workers.

>>6728439
What happens to children that no one wants to adopt then?

>>6728428
Care to elaborate?

And anyway, as a political radical myself, I can tell you none of us are happy with mainstream liberal politics at all and don't have money to sop to them for influence.

And note I was clearly talking lowercase-r, not Radical Feminism as a proper noun for a particular ideological school.

>>6728439
You'd rather have children around having bad lives because their parents didn't want them and were 16?

>>6728463

Yea, i guess that is justification for killing a human. maybe you should be killed because you post on /fa/, so are obviously a loser.

>>6728439
I think that's a favorable resolution, but it's not realistic to legally enforce.

One, because of medical problems people encounter, and two, because they'll just go get some shitty nonprofessional abortion that both they and the kid die from. We tried that for quite a long time and wound up with piles of dead women with dead babies inside them.

>being democrat
>being liberal

Thanks for ruining all the traditional western values that created the magnificent world you live in. Thanks for being selective moral hypocrites and ruining the entire political system with "social causes" instead of things that actually matter.

>>6728203
>you're writing militantly and coldly like a robot detached from emotion
>men
>rational when they want to be and emotional when rational doesn't suit their agenda

>>6728467
Embryos aren't humans though.

>>6728469
>implying I'm a democrat
>implying I'm liberal except in some baseline sense of not wanting to lock people up for thoughtcrimes
>implying western values are the only values available
>implying they're not fatally flawed and didn't do a hell of a lot of harm along with the good
>implying they haven't played themselves the fuck out
>implying we can't create, together, new and better values that create a more magnificent world

And what would you say "actually matter[s]?"

>>6728468
if someone is dumb enough to get a medical procedure done in a sketchy place, then let them
people that stupid shouldn't be taking up resources

>>6728421
What an emotional baby. No wonder no one takes men seriously.

>>6728457
>>6728463
They will have to be taken care of by the state. The idea is that there are many couples that want children but can't have kids and if abortion is illegal it will force people to be more responsible and you will get less unwanted pregnancies by result. There are a huge number of people that think abortions will solve all their problems and don't work on prevention instead.

The alternative is murder basically.

>>6728481
Abortion being illegal won't stop people having abortions.

>>6728468
Medical problems are a different situation. If you have to take a life to save a life it is better than putting two lives at risk.

Nonprofessional abortions aren't as easy to access. People did go down this avenue but the numbers were tiny compared to the women who have abortions now.

But it is pointless to discuss because the moment they made it legal they opened the floodgate. One of the worst decisions made last century imo

>>6728490

exactly. most docs wont do it, and niggas will stop dealing crack and will deal in abortions

>>6728480
but people do take men seriously, which is why it's feminism, not meninism.

>>6728481
> if abortion is illegal it will force people to be more responsible and you will get less unwanted pregnancies by result.

Except we tried that and, empirically, it didn't work. Trying it again this far after the sexual revolution and after decades of liberal abortion laws is asking, again, for really big piles of dead women with dead babies inside them.

>There are a huge number of people that think abortions will solve all their problems and don't work on prevention instead.

And you're getting this from where?

>>6728501
>Except we tried that and, empirically, it didn't work.

so we should legalize murder because women don't want to take responsibility for their actions, and accept the consequences. sure is degeneracy.

>>6728490
People are less willing to risk their lives than you might think

>>6728501
Yeah it isn't really a realistic solution, but it is the only right one morally. Then again a lot of feminism isn't realistic either.

As for your second point, think about it like this. People see abortion as a fix when they make a mistake or are careless. If this avenue wasn't available they would be less so. I am including the morning after pill in this of course

>>6728494
>not meninism.
Masculism is a thing now. And guess what? People don't take it seriously.

>>6728510
that's because men have never been oppressed on a wide scale
duh

>>6728505
>so we should legalize murder because women don't want to take responsibility for their actions
>murder
is miscarriage manslaughter?

>>6728505
You can't create the world like a computer program. Moral action has to exist in relation to it, not as some a priori, Enlightenment man-as-god sense.

>murder

As someone who thinks most abortions are a moral mistake, it's not murder. Killing a human fetus is not the same thing as killing a human adult with a life, goals, aspirations, projects, and most importantly, relationships. To argue otherwise is to reduce humanness down to DNA, which misses the point entirely.

>accept the consequences

And why should there be unnecessary consequences to sex?

>>6728520
No it's an accident, unless the woman did something retarded to force it.

>>6728520

Depends on if it was induced with clear intention by the mother.

>>6728403
Again, your shitty circlejerk of friends on tumblr aren't a good source of what "feminists actually believe", the laws they press are.
You are obviously delusional.

As well as the fact my point still stands, a lot of people don't want to join your cult of feminine superiority and that doesn't make them MRA or anything, especially when "feminism" is self-contradictory, one-sided, and retarded.
>You insult women?? Misogynistic, chauvinist pig!
>You complement women?? Chivalric pig!

It's a mindless cult of hypocrites who perpetuate their bent views by encircling themselves by people who buy the same bullshit, and view any contrarians as sexist/racist/ablist/someotherbullshitist.
But, again, you can only think to yourself "dumm mra!!! u just dont underSTAND".

>>6728525
manslaughter can be an accident dummy

>>6728524
>To argue otherwise is to reduce humanness down to DNA, which misses the point entirely.

Not exactly. it reduces it to soul or spark of the divine which is in all humans.


>And why should there be unnecessary consequences to sex?

what's unnecessary?

>>6728524
A foetus can't have those things if you abort it, you are denying them of it.

If I told you I was going to go back in time and abort you I'm sure you wouldn't like it

>>6728525
>No it's an accident
>Depends on if it was induced with clear intention by the mother.
lol

do you guys not know what manslaughter means?

pro-life fags sure are uneducated

>>6728532
He clearly means when neglect is introduced.

I'm 100% for abortion as long as it's not in anyway funded by the government. The more crack babies and poor people get killed at birth the better for everyone.

>>6728532
It's my understanding that you get done for manslaughter if it wasn't your intention to get someone got but your actions caused it. That might be an accident but it isn't the same as an accident where some guy falls down the stairs. Most miscarriages are nobody's fault

>>6728538
>soul or spark of the divine
herewego.jpg

>>6728535
hurrrrr that isn't what I said at all

>>6728515
So it's morally better to do more harm in the world and maintain some sense of purity as an actor than to act in a way as to actually promote good in the world?

How many women who have gotten abortions have you talked to or read? And why should people face material consequences for being "careless" with sex?

This isn't to say carelessness or whatever with regards to sex is a good or bad thing, but creating punishment situations is terrible. "Virtue compelled becomes vice" and all that.

>>6728535
>>Depends on if it was induced with clear intention by the mother.
He didn't even fucking say that, right after the part you quoted he said "unless the woman did something retarded to force it."
Feminazis must be a new level of uneducated if they can't even read.

>>6728548
what if you fall down the stairs and land on a baby?

>>6728553

>>6728555

>thinking a soul has anything to do with religion

oh, goy.

>>6728534
I wouldn't exist to have an opinion on it.

Why is this kind of a priori reasoning helpful here?

>>6728553
Then that calls for a trial, was she aware the baby was there? Did she know of the babies presence? Did she take proper precaution and it was just inevitable?

>>6728552
>accuses me of being unable to read
>doesn't even realize that the entire assertion still results in him saying that it isn't manslaughter even though this is inconsistent with the logic in >>6728505
l
o
l

>>6728561
>pulling out a strawman when you're called out
>thinking it has to do with religion to be arbitrary, baseless bullshit

>>6728553
then it depends on if you're an amerifat or not

>>6728575

called out on what?

>>6728565
Whether she was taking proper precaution or not is irrelevant in manslaughter. In order to be charged with manslaughter you have to be doing something illegal. Otherwise it's just criminal negligence with bodily injury / negligent homocide

>>6728576
>soul or spark of the divine

>>6728569
>STILL can't read.
You're the one arguing with him as well, holy shit. Abortion isn't manslaughter, it's intentional murder, and manslaughter is an accident that could have been preventable if proper precaution was taken. (Like a mother was driving recklessly, crashes, and kills the baby). An accident is an accident, no way to foresee it. (Woman carrying baby in her, trips over something by accident that came out of no where, like a rolling skateboard or some shit, and accidentally makes a miscarriage. Or, you know, a miscarriage).
Please learn to read before trying to form an argument.

>>6728569
that quote you made isn't mine but I still fail to see your point

>>6728563
by your reasoning a newly born baby doesn't have these goals and aspirations so i can just crush its skull

>>6728585

you didn't call me out on anything. i said that, and you said nothing of value.

>>6728582
Fair enough, nonetheless, I don't see how that discredits the initial point. That's just a correction on the terminology, but doesn't really add anything to the argument itself.

>>6728596
i said herewego.jpg because you made a non-point that is based in nothing but your imagination

>>6728606
I was asked if a miscarriage was manslaughter. That was the argument.

>>6728599
>Abortion isn't manslaughter
if you followed the posts instead of jumping the gun for a chance to include yourself, you'd realize that we've been talking about miscarriage

>>6728615

>soul
>based on nothing

i guess almost every philosopher ever was wrong because you said so

>>6728621
Please don't start this argument. Neither of you know fuck all about philosophy so nothing good can come of it.

>>6728403
>3. This is frankly trivial and you'll be hard pressed to find people who actually care too much about it, but the idea is its one means out of many to counteract the (yes) still-pervasive institutional biases against minorities.

>Kid doesn't get a job because he's not a woman even they he qualifies more than her, but there's just too many men.
Yeah, no consequences, eh? Feminists still wondering why no one can take them seriously except for their underaged tumblrcore friends.

feminists pls go

>>6728626

get lost, you have nothing to say.

>>6728619
Depends, yes and no. If it was her body that she had no control, then no (or maybe, I got an A on the 3 bio classes I took, but I'm no biologist). If she tripped and accidentally killed it, yes, but can't be pressed against her. If she's driving recklessly and gets it killed, yes and have it pressed against her.

>>6728621
>appeal to authority
if you actually gave 2 shits about philosophy, you'd know that loads of philosophers were wrong about loads of things

let's not forget
>spark of the divine

>>6728635
lel I'm the one who has basically kept this thread going at every point.

you get lost

>>6728269
>>6728269
>>6728269
this exactly

>>6728646

>shitposting
>keeping a thread going

reported

>>6728628
>Feminists still wondering why no one can take them seriously except for their underaged tumblrcore friends.
>no one takes feminists seriously except their underaged tumblrcore friends
>BUT FEMINISM IS A HUGE PROBLEM AND THE INSTIGATOR OF ALL THESE OTHER PROBLEMS THAT I HAVE LISTED
Pick 1

>>6728650
This whole thread is offtopic mate. The argument you are trying to start is a tangent of my original argument is all I'm saying.

>>6728538
But not everyone agrees with you about that, not even all theists. For instance, Orthodox Jews hold something similar to that, hold that abortion is wrong in most circumstances, but the fetus has an entirely different legal status to a born human and there's circumstances where abortion is actually considered mandatory.

Since you have no sure knowledge your understanding of the baby/fetus/whatever's status, what makes it justified for you to impose your understanding by the violent force of the state on people who don't share that understanding and your conclusions from it?

>>6728594
Except there would literally be zero reason to, whereas there could be a reason to abort it prior to birth.

I'm generally not in favor of abortion, but it's not murder and the only practical moral choice is to have it be legal. Anything else leads to more deaths, of both women and fetuses, and all kinds of shitty social fallout.

>>6728621
Don't make me throw Rorty at you.

>>6728653
By people I mean the common man, not law.
As in people like me, I'm not an MRA bitch, but feminists would label me as such because I'm not a feminist. They would say what I believe is feminist ideology but they either dilute it so much that pooping on your face can be part of feminism so join our cult!! or female supremacy.
This goes back to my
>self-contradictory, one-sided, and retarded.
comment.

>go on /fa/ to discuss fashion
>find about a girl from my country who is now famous for sucking off a guy in public

>>6728547
dude why not get the goverment to fund it.

your tax dollars are killing crack babies/the poor.

That's litterally the republican dream.

I don't understand why they're anti-abortion.

>>6728671
Potato pls go

>>6728668
>Against abortion, must be republican
>Republican, must be racist
Like being a democrat makes you a Nazi, since, you know
>Democrat, must be socialist
>Socialist, just like National Socialism
>National Socialism, must be a Nazi

>>6728675
Hamburger pls go

>>6728681

>>6728628
Again, note, to the small extent there is such a thing I'm exactly the guy who gets the short end of the affirmative action stick. And you know what? I'm okay with that, because the people who get the long end of that stick get the short end of every other stick in education and employment.

Blaming one policy that's been tremendously rolled back in recent years for your problems in life is bitter bullshit. No one gets every job. Angsting about it doesn't do you any good. Enjoy the food and shelter you almost certainly have and go hustle somewhere else. There's plenty in the world for you, especially if you're as qualified as you think you are.

>>6728668
most poor people for some reason don't even want to get abortions when they're free because muh feelings

>>6728698
That is awesome.

>>6728699
Sure loving all those assumptions pulled straight from thin air.
Where as my point is actual fact, since, you know, that IS affirmative action.
>feminazis
>using logic
Pick one, and only one.

>>6728699
Not the same guy but it isn't really about him personally. It's that the whole idea is flawed.

>>6728698
Toplel, now you're getting it.

>>6728713
Except it's not. On a macro level, it makes perfect sense.

>empirical studies show that admissions and hiring people are demonstrably, materially biased against x and y groups
>institute policy designed to counteract bias

It's a brute instrument that's of course going to lead to some suboptimal individual outcomes, but as a general, across-the-board policy there's nothing wrong with it.

It's also so minor in its effect it's not worth worrying about either way, IMO.

>>6728712
Yeah, and I'm basically asking what's wrong with the factual situation you described? Why should society be worried about some random white kid's fate when institutional discrimination has been causing all kinds of macro problems for literally centuries?

>>6728748
It isn't about evening out statistics though, it is about getting the best workers to make your operation run well and benefit everybody.

>>6728760
epig xDD

>>6728763
Positive discrimination is still discrimination.

>>6728772
1) That's what it's about for the business or whatever, yes. The public good has different interests than the immediate interests of private individuals at times. That's the whole justification for every law.

Public-good wise, racial and gender inequality are demonstrably bad for societies in terms of economic output, general social concord, and, obviously, social justice.

2) John Blanco might be better at the narrowly defined duties of some job than Ebony Doe, but I can promise you that if everyone else on the team is a white guy, Ebony's going to be a far more effective member of the team and add more to it overall. Especially in our diverse world, there's nothing more blinkered and potentially clusterfucky than a room of straight cis white guys making all the decisions, and there's nothing more tedious, too.

In endeavors and projects I have some say on, I've never had a formal affirmative action policy (which I may be trusting myself on this too much, but there's people I know who would call me on it if I was fucking up) but I've always made a point of seeking out a diverse team or group, on every metric. It just makes things better, more effective, more potent, and more interesting.

>>6728782
The idea of "discrimination" as an unequivocal, universal sin is a holdover from a misreading of Enlightenment liberalism. I don't have a copy by me just now (will try to post later), but look up Hitchens's "Letters to a Young Contrarian." He takes the piss out of it from basically within that very framework in a brief passage in there, and the book as a whole is the best writing he ever did. Short, too.

>>6728932

The essential point is that what we call "discrimination" is in effect a failure to discriminate, to take into account the actual circumstances in front of us, which is actually a good thing. Affirmative action policies (which, I don't know what Hitchens's position was, his point isn't made in this context but I personally think it's applicable) are a brute-force attempt to counteract the tendency of decisionmakers to treat all whites/males/etc. a certain way and all non-whites/non-males/etc. a different way.

It's no one's dream policy, but it's better than leaving a bunch of befuddled boomer fuckwads to their own biased devices when it comes to shaping the race and gender realities of our society.

>>6728932
Private good is most often public good in that it advances the economy and in a service economy also benefits the public more directly. I don't really want to get into an argument though because you clearly know a lot more on the subject than I do.

I will say this however. Affirmative action is a means to an end but that doesn't mean it is right. In a perfect world the tendencies you describe won't exist. I believe we are pretty quickly getting to that anyway and in a generation it will be there, I may be naive though.