/fa/ - Fashion

I agree?

A lot of people here are just trying to figure out the basics before they start adding personality to their wardrobe. And not everyone has managed to work up the budget to do that yet. So you get a lot of people gushing over Sruli Recht and Rick Owens while posting ASOS fits.

Also, the chronic fear of Reddit that is all over 4chan has, for this board, translated into a fear of colour and #menswear, so for posters who are newer to fashion, the fear of looking like a "fuccboi" often prevents them from making bolder purchases.

My advice to those guys is don't post fits on this board and buy whatever you like. You'll fuck up at first but eventually you'll settle into your own personal style. Then you'll have the confidence to post fits and not care if people don't like them.

I dont look at someone walking down the street in black pants, expensive black shirt, and some black shoes and am like "damn they effay".

ur allowed to reconsider

>>6696137
that would not look cool in real life. if I saw that guy I would just think "what the fuck man"

real life is not anime

>>6696141
the thing is nobody cares about your opinions

talk shit, post fit

i'd love to see your desert boots

>>6696138

I agree with you.

>you are describing my outfits

I agree. It seems like everyone is all Rick Owens this, Gothninja that, All black everything this. Extremely boring after a while.

But I must admit, I came here in search for fashion advice and recommendations since my head is filled with High School trends and shit. Has been pretty nice discovering other foot wear brands, jeans that actually look good on me, shirts that actually look really nice, establishing a better wardrobe, and discovering more fashion boards with posters who are more insightful than that of /fa/.

TL;DR: /fa/ is not that bad, if you know what you came here for.

OP here
>>6696138
I like this forum alot, but I wish people were less judgmental. It would make alot more people have diffrent distinct styles, and be more interesting to look at what they are wearing. Rather then just seeing some basic, oh a nice suit, another floral shirt. Id be happy if i saw someone post a pic of them wearing >>6696137
and then maybe a little scared

>>6696113
Completely agree, OP.

The kind of people that actually take fashion advice from /fa/ or MFA are generally the socially awkward guy that has done hardly anything in his life aside from go on the internet and play video games. Most can't pull off actual fashion or are too shy to dress really good so they rely on the "basics" which don't really look that good at all.

If you want to actually dress fashionable, don't go on sites where the majority are made up of people like that. Go on Lookbook, Tumblr etc.

>>6696138
Yay! this post restored my hope! :D

I love wearing vibrant colors, as it reflects my bright personality in a way my actions can't.

It really sucked when I saw countless denouncing guys in bright clothing and infographs basically forcing guys to wear dark this and that..

>>6696179

It might just be a herd mentality and fear of getting laughed at by strangers on the internet. After getting judged on /fa/, a person probably thinks to himself, "is this what people think of me when they see me walking down the street?" and starts to panic when in reality he looks perfectly normal.

For example I would probably get laughed at on this forum if I posted a picture of myself wearing raw denim and Iron Rangers, but if I go outside people will think nothing of it and might compliment my boots.

>>6696113
its called dog whistle fashion. only a very few people can hear it. i dress for the 1%, not the 99% of plebs (u included)

its kinda like wine. a pleb cannot tell the difference between a cheap bottle of 2 buck chuck and a a very nice, expensive bottle of vintage wine. only someone without a lot of experience and a refined sensibilty can tell the difference.

i didnt come to /fa/ because i wanted to stop wearing graphic tees and cargo shorts, i came here for the witty banter and occasional useful info/inspo

I feel that alot of outfits people post on here aren't... fun.

And I think that there isn't enough encouragement on this board. People here are way too harsh when it isn't even needed, let alone wanted.

>>6696268
this being said, most people in waywt threads dress p much like shit. i rarely post a fit because frankly im not too concerned what the dregs of the internet think of my clothes

I agree completely. At first I thought the "all black errythang" was a cool idea. Then I went into the city dressed in black, and saw about 100 normal people (mostly women) dressed head to toe in black. It's not special, it's not unique, so I think it's a much better idea to find a set of tones and shades that works for you and build around that.

Lets create a /fa/ evolution! Everyone start posting pics of you wearing really interesting clothing, thats still /fa/ but not something you would see on this site to often. No harmful judgments are welcome, but helpful criticism is appreciated You guys in?

>>6696269
>>6696285
is this fabled post-ironicism?

>>6696285

One can only dream

>>6696150
>you don't like these dark designer fits so you must wear desert boots
exactly the kind of response I expected

people like you are ruining this board

oh, and by the way, I actually don't hate all monochrome fits. I actually like a lot of that stuff. I have a great admiration for Carol Christian Poell's work, and I think that even hyped designers like Ann Demeulemeester and Rick Owens are doing aesthetically interesting things. But you're just posting anime shit dude. just call yourself an otaku and go to /cgl/. that shit ain't fashion.

>>6696296
>>6696285
>>6696269
>>6696224
You could just go to reddit, you know that right? Their board(?) "Male Fashion Advice" (MFA for short) should be right up your alley :)

>>6696308
>let's redirect everyone who has different taste to reddit
or let's not

>>6696314
Their request is not only in regards to taste, they request an entirely different tone on the board contradictory to the established order and tone of banter.

>>6696268
Im pretty confused on what your saying. You say that you dress for the 1% and defend basics, and call me a pleb for not knowing good basics. Then you say you wont stop wearing cargo shorts and graphics tees.... Whut? Your right, i am way to much of a pleb to understand why cargo shorts are for the 1% of non plebs

>>6696290
that is rick, you don't know much

>>6696314
they clearly aren't into fashion so the only other place to talk about clothes without being into fashion is mfa

if they were actually into fashion they would have left for styleforum, sufu, and sz already

>>6696137
tbh this is his weakest fit by a mile

>>6696150
this is dope tho anon doesn't know what hes sayin

>>6696113
w2c

>>6696330
What, are you saying that if I like Rick's clothes I need to like every fit anyone does with it? Is that fashion or is that brandwhoring?

>>6696344
what, are you saying things i didn't say?

>>6696269
Aren't you that guy from /co/?

>>6696344
When it's a solid fit like that, yeah, you should absolutely like it.

>>6696269
It's the same everywhere but without the bitchiness. I was going through the waywt on sufu and yawning.

waywt is not an accurate reflection of 4chan /fa/ userbase. Most people posting fit want criticism.

I assert that, if black garments are executed right and artisinal then simply the design and difference in texture and hue can be striking enough, surely you've seen somebody in black that struck you as interesting and cool. If you haven't then I hope you will. Just a lot of times it's not executed well.

I don't know about other posters but I don't subscribe to one echelon, I use menswear many times as well but looking at ann and yohji and luc and designers like this are more interesting than looking at recycled traditionals from lanvin.

sure, some people may put together the pieces together wierdly, and some of the runway shows of the pieces may be even silly. Some of the individual pieces when worn correctly are amazing though.

you should probably lurk more and realize that though there are many just following along on /fa/ or confused or just starting out, there are also good posters on here and valid topics of discussion that relate to current fashion, and the importance of the black aesthetic to fashion in general.

black is the new black

>>6696342
I didn't actually respond to his second one. the second one was a lot better. the first one was just otaku shit

>>6696358
I said I didn't like the fit. And I said I like rick. You then said, "that is rick, you don't know much". Because apparently, if I knew it was rick, I would have liked it?

>>6696330
>>6696308
I like how 4chan is anonymous. Unlike reddit, sufu, and style forums. Ive never heard about sz, maybe ill check it out

>>6696383
>never heard of sz

oh man, you have a lot to learn

>>6696372
omg you're so >implying right now

i could circular logic your ass so hard right now to make you say you like anime outfits

>>6696371
where to cop his coat, its exactly what ive been looking for

>>6696321
where do i defend basics? i have lots of interesting clothes, including this great sheer sweater with a metallic knit by dries van noten that is currently my favorite piece. i also have the silent button up (sylvan) i think its called with a charcoal like finish on it. i wore it today and some working class schmuck asked if i was the chimney sweeper cuz my i looked dirt as fuck, lol.

what i was saying about the graphic tees and cargo shorts comment was that i didnt come here for advice or asking /fa/ to be my own personal style consultant

>>6696358
not usually into goof but this is a gr8 fit

>>6696371
I didnt mean to say all pure black outfits are boring, in fact the male in that pic looks awesome. I was just using black as an example for boring basics that i see alot

>>6696383
Anonymity enables blunt and direct communications via. removal of consequence. You have to be able to take the tone and general board culture to truly appreciate the gift you've been granted.

SZ is also a forum, not a BBS/imageboard like the chans.

>>6696393
listen, you said "that is rick". the obvious implication is "you do not know that it's rick."

I said "that would not look cool in real life." I also said, "I think that even hyped designers like Ann Demeulemeester and Rick Owens are doing aesthetically interesting things. But you're just posting anime shit dude."

So you've taken from this, somehow, that I don't know that the fit features rick. You have two details to go on.

- I like Rick
- I don't like the fit

Tell me how else you transformed that into knowing that I couldn't spot the Rick Owens.

>>6696371
>black is the new black

So, wearing black from head to toe is the new trend?

>>6696400
>its called dog whistle fashion. only a very few people can hear it. i dress for the 1%, not the 99% of plebs (u included)

Whats do you mean if your not defending basics

btw metallic sheer sweater sounds awesome, will you post pic?

>>6696434
Black has never been a trend, it's always been popular.

>>6696405
yea, it's very easy to get too basic and drab, especially with black, on that point I do agree with you. Especially during the summer time, when it's hot and you cant layer.

Women's fashion is more forgiving about this than men's.

I guess you are seeing this a lot in the waywt because it's a stage in learning. You can tell normal people couldn't care about their clothing, but the attempt to stray away from graphics so often and move towards the black aesthetic, sometimes blindly following because of lack of knowledge, can look very boring before it's perfected imo too.

I have faith that most of the users will eventually develop discernment and make smart choices, and then probably stop posting so much as they begin to get the items they want and the aesthetic that will make them look professional yet still their own unique form.

>>6696420
heres some words you said

i like rick
your just posting anime shit

you like anime shit dude

:^)

>>6696460
once again, you are taking what I said about fits, and taking what I said about a designer, and acting like I'm talking about the same thing. you can't see the difference between liking a designer and liking a fit featuring that designer. am I not getting that point across? you can't differentiate between liking rick and liking a fit with rick in it. apparently they're the same thing!

>>6696439
im talking about dressing subtlely.

i try to find a good pic of it. its dries van noten ss13 i think, but ive never been able to find a pic online

>>6696463
Im not completely against graphic tees. I actually wish i saw more in waywt's and on this forum. When done right they can look pretty damn good, and not necessarily tumblrcore.

Pic kinda related

>>6696324
>>6696330

All I'm saying is that criticism is best when it's constructive.

Also, all of this TXT TLK needs to stop.

>>6696501
I'm not against graphic tees either, not at all. They are executed incorrectly so commonly though that in an attempt to establish rules /fa/ has (in the past if not currently) attempted to help people sway away from them.

With no patterns or decoration the outfit can often get soooo basic. and look like you are talking about. I was describing it more as a sort of trend that seems to contribute to this phenomenon than saying that graphics was a good or bad thing.

>>6696519
Through this conversation i can understand you seem to know alot about fashion, and seem to have an open mind about other types of clothing. So i would like to know how would you describe your style of dress?

>>6696268
one of the least likable things about that aesthetic is actually how you can spot the pretense from a mile away. The "dog whistle" separating the elite from the plebeians; we can tell that you're thinking about it. It's actually not as hard to appreciate or understand as you make it out to be. The appeal is easy to see.

And those designers are making some great clothes, don't get me wrong. But to me they come with a really nasty association with snobbery. With many other styles, you get the impression that it's dressing for the 1% that feel the same way. With SZ-esque fits, you get the sense that it's dressing for the top 1%. The people who "get it", and not in a "wavelength" sense so much as a knowledge sense. You get a distinct vibe from its fans that the separation between the initiated and the uninitiated is a difference of how much they know what they're talking about. To an extent it's because there is a different expectation of knowledge: knowing designers' multiple collections, as well as the stories behind designers and how they make their pieces. Being able to talk about the processes of production (especially from personal experience) is good for credibility. Etc.

The emphasis on understanding can be a strength, for sure. But IMO it's also a weakness. To me it will always look and feel self-obsessed and pretentious. I can't shake the feeling that it's more about showing you "get it" than reflecting your own personality.

But the clothes are nice.

>>6696475
keep responding anime boy

>>6696576
i've lurked a fairly long time and stood on the shoulders of giants. I've been around here and sz and less frequently sufu. Also I work as a local model currently which has given a new dimension. I don't know as much about materials as I would like, though.

Usually I just wear what is comfortable to me. Comfort is a tricky term though, because dressing well brings a certain intangible kind of comfort.

I would say modesty is the most important thing I consider.

I love dressing all black in the winter, rainy days or sometimes to events like the pictures i've depicted, especially with those type of long coats. I think they accentuate so nicely. The black can also makes you look intellectual, and it can be mysterious and powerful without being pretentious. I mix in greys and blues and a few patterns and designs to catch the eye on occasion too though.

Button ups are my essential year round, I wear them more often than t-shirts anymore. Polos if i'm going to be around certain older groups. Tank tops and even graphic t-shirts with a bit more preppy looking coat if i'm just fucking off. I'm constantly wearing jeans too. practically never shorts though, because I don't feel they frame my legs so well.

usually I don't wear t-shirts by themselves though because i'm too skinny and it doesn't display my face properly as a structured collar would. Sometimes if the shirt is oversized and everything else fits perfectly it can look sick though.

I've never posted a fit here, though, probably never will. I think there are a lot of smart people here though that can still teach me stuff.

>>6696602

how is it a pretense if the person wearing the clothes genuinely likes them?

>I can't shake the feeling that it's more about showing you "get it" than reflecting your own personality.

how do you know what does or does not reflect someone else's personality. one could argue that the fact that the clothes reflect their personality by default of them being interested or occupied with it.

>>6696657
too much 'though' lol... typing while high general.

>>6696602

+1

You and I don't have much overlap in terms of what we like in individual pieces but this was a good post.

>>6696684
toke and type is the greatest monster of our age

;_;7 to the fallen

>>6696657
>intangible kind of comfort

You have no fucking idea what comfort actually is, do you?

well the majority of WAYWT threads consist of people all wearing the same thing. white or black blank tshirt with boring pants and boring shoes.

>>6696691
it's okay, we're subconsciously dividing by zero and solving all the worlds problems, if only we can remember to write the answers down next time, though though though.

>>6696657
I think you are one of the more knowledgeable people ive seen on this forum. Ive had the pleasure of meeting a few more that can give truly helpful advice but most just seem to spew ignorance, you should post a fit sometime, maybe we could all take a lesson.

I also really like your rainy day black clothes, long coat idea. I need to pick up a pair of black shoes, and a nicer coat to be able to pull it off but it seems appropriate, and a good chance to go"all black errythang"

>>6696667
It's quite possible that I'm speaking nonsense. It's easier to come up with a conclusion working from the ground up than to take an impression you have and break it down into something meaningful. I think you can intuit a lot just by looking at people; I wouldn't care much for clothing if I didn't. And I definitely have a feeling about that aesthetic, but it's not as easy to analyze that feeling as it is to feel it.

>>6696689
Well I like more pieces than just the ones I would buy. And I'm often vocally critical of pieces I actually like. For example, I rip on Wolverine 1k Miles a lot as a response to the fandom on this board (usually when they shit-talk red wing iron rangers), but I actually think they're nice boots. So there might be more overlap than it seems, who knows? I also like a lot of avant-garde and streetwear, I just wouldn't buy it on my budget and for my wardrobe.

>>6696695
I think it's fair to separate mental and physical comfort, and to say that they influence each other. Feeling good about what you're wearing can help you physically relax.

>>6696715
Total newfag question, but how can you achieve that wrinkly effect like in the jeans, the dude's sleeves, etc.? Is is just based on the material of the pieces?

>>6696744
material + fit + cut

depends on the garment

>>6696744

yeah its based on a few things, length of the sleeve relative to the arm, the properties of the material, and the angle that the sleeve is hanging from the armhole

reported

sage

>>6696695
>>6696695
I think I understand it on a different level than you. one of the dictionary definitions is as such : A state of physical ease and freedom from pain or constraint.

When discussing comfort from clothes a lot of times people will say they are comfortable when the clothes fit in a certain way. i.e. sweat pants and t-shirts and stuff like that which is form freeing.

Personally, I feel a wonderful sense of comfort from knowing that I look good and others around me would think so too, in certain settings. That's why I wrote that line.

>>6696750
>>6696753
Thanks

>>6696753

also the circumference of the sleeve relative to the circumference of the arm

>>6696695
I think you just don't know what intangible means...

>>6696712
My loafers and dress boots have served me the best out of any shoes. I do have some cheap treated leather dress tennis shoes though ( isnt that an oxymoron) which I tend to wear when it rains. Shoes are soo important, must kop immediately.

>>6696228
/fa/ sense of fashion is as skewed as /fit/'s sense of fitness. It's not really surprising. I'm sure there's at least a bit of crossover.

More so /fa/'s sense of beauty is skewed, and it's much more in line with /fit/'s sense of fitness, but that's another topic.

>>6696787

well i think people opinions seem to be very black and white from lots of posts i read. something is either total shit, or absolutely great, there doesnt seem to be a whole lot of middle ground in terms of discussing quality, design, and the appeal of certain outfits. i think partially it has to do with a disinterest in extrapolating or considering their opinions in great detail, and just saying "i like this" or "i dont like this"

>>6696787

I don't agree that it's skewed, but I think /fa/ does have a heightened concern about getting laughed at and stuff like you say.

I carry that with me all the time and i'm not certain it's a bad thing because it can mean the difference between getting a job or not or something like that.

If some kid is wearing red leather pants and a blue blazer i'm going to think things about him. I'm not ashamed to admit. I would also expect him to think certain things about me if I were in the same fit.

not to say I wouldn't talk to him and find out his personality also, if there was a reason to, but I may try to help him see that toning it down could be a nice thing to do as well.

>>6696805
well it's a lot easier to have an opinion than to explain one, but that's life: people are like that. what amazes me is how many people on this board actually do care about explaining why they feel the way they do. we actually have a handful of good posters.

>>6696832
>well it's a lot easier to have an opinion than to explain one

yeah its magnified cause 4channer mentality encourages/conditions you into knee-jerk posting/short-ass snarky posts

its hard 2 get out of and its hard to realize that it has that effect on you

>>6696439
heres a pic, the pic quality aint that great tho. i searched all over the internet and could not find a single picture of of the shirt, so i took one myself

>Im not saying im the most /fa/ person ever born, and im not saying dress like a tumblrcore fag, but i am saying that your current outfits done make much of an impression.

im sure thats true for many outfits here, there is not exactly a large interest in dressing to get attention, as a result the outfits are often fairly subtle at least in terms of color.

>I dont look at someone walking down the street in black pants, expensive black shirt, and some black shoes and am like "damn they effay".

sure but i think youre assuming that people dressed in nice black clothing are doing to be "fashionable" which i dont think is necessarily accurate, of course it depends on the individual, but i think lots of people here that wear higher-end conservative streetwear do it out of interest in wearing high quality clothing with a design that appeals to them, and for many people here, simplistic well constructed basics are appealing.

>Im not really trying to offend anyone on the forum or anything, but just putting out my opinion. Whats yours?

my opinion is that it takes many years to learn how to dress well and you dont learn how from the internet, you learn how in real life.

>>6696864
what you are going to wear with it?

>>6696890

thats to the OP post by the way.

>>6696113

I unintentionally have a nathan drake thing going on so i can't exactly judge anyone else.

If you wanna look like a tard, go for it.

>>6696886
i have a variety of fits i use it with, usually with black pants though. it doesn't look that good with jeans. I've just been wearing it alone as a top in the summer. you can see right through to my chest but im not a fat fuck so idgaf

i need to cop an extra long button up to wear underneath for fall and winter, but i've been having trouble finding the right one with a long hem. ann d has a few and i've been saving up my money for one

>>6696890
sounds a lot like the ether chinesegold gave tinfoil on sufu

>>6696890
just out of curiosity, do you see rick as streetwear?

ima say personally, i can see influences

idk streetwear doesnt mean anything anyway

>>6696992
>idk streetwear doesnt mean anything anyway
answered ur own q. lol

>>6696890
I kind of think of fashion as doing math, to learn it you need to practice and understand the concepts. It's very hard to listen to a lecture of calculus and understand everything without doing some practice problems and making mistakes. You can learn from your mistakes later on.

>>6696975
yea the blue in the jeans would bring out the color a little much, and certain greys may just wash it out. I was trying to think how I would wear it. Very tough piece.

I bought one of the black lustrous ss ann button downs while they were on sale though, with the thinner cotton. Love ann.

i don't get the people that can identify personal fashion so easily

i'll wear goob ninja one day, some kinda thom browne hybrid the next.

i care about my presentation, i'd be happy if someone else liked what they saw but it's not about them

i think runway shows are the only time when people really focus on fashion, and the creator's vision

>>6696818
would be so much better if they were stiletto anns or something

>>6697015
>>6697015
ya, i'm still not even sure what color of button down to wear with it, like if black or white would work with it. i'll probably have to bring it to the store to try it on with different shirts to see what looks best. idk if white would work or not. the sweater works fine on its own, but i'll need to wear something underneath it when it gets a little chillier. i once got caught out in a light drizzle while wearing it and it felt like i was wearing no shirt at all. i could feel every raindrop go right through the shirt at hit my skin

but i'm still glad i dropped the bank i did on it. they also had a sorta beige colored polo with the same type of fabric at barneys that i tried on, but i just wasn't that keen on the color or the fact that it was a sheer polo. it was vaguely dadcore in a nxtlvl kinda way

also i think people misconstrue boring

what is the opposite of boring? dressing explicitly for attention?

ccp at a glance can be basics, but a taped seam tshirt (etc) is hardly boring in my eyes.

are black oxfords boring?

i think people pass off a lot of really nice, well thought out fits (i'm not specifically talking about fa's waywt) as boring.

>>6697067
I always thought the aesthetic where you can kind of see the body looks cool on skinny men.

I would think white button down would look good with it, maybe even an off-color white like a creme. cuz imo if you just wore black button down black pants black everything else it would just look a bit strange.

pic sort of related because i'm amazed the stylist could even sort of pull all that shit off with all those colors and I'd love that coat in black and less than 5 grand.

distinct pieces are a lot of thinking and testing.

>>6696113
i feel like the fit's posted in WAYWT threads aren't here to impress us but look for input on their fits and yeah they're really basic most of the time.

>>6697131
i also don't really understand why people post fits on the internet. part pea cocking part looking for criticism? also to indulge people that enjoy their content i guess

>>6697162
then you do understand lol.

>>6697122
ya, dries had a lot of really cool sheer stuff from ss13

i agree with u about the black, i don't think it would work well either. cream would be good. i remember ann d having a cool looking burnt orange button down a while ago, i'd like to be able to at least try that on with the sweater. i can't really picture it very well in my mind, i'd have to see it irl on myself

>>6697171
yea something special like that. maybe even ask the people if you're going to a commission store.

Just like bring the shirt and tell them whats up. Those people are so helpful I always get as many cards as I can and stick with one or two people depending on schedule. I get discounts, calls up for sales, hook ups for free stuff, even a few job recommendations.

if in doubt you can always go earthbound core lmao.

>>6697003

thats cool, its just my personal opinion but im glad that other people think something similar.

>>6697220
i like it better when people have differing opinions because great conversations usually come up and my opinions become stronger

>>6697220
haha youre chinesegold?

>>6697229
he isn't

>>6696992

i think certain pieces are designed based heavily on "streetwear" and sportswear type of clothing, it seems apparent to me. i mean his stuff used to be like gym shorts, sneakers, and tee shirts, he just used luxury fabrics and a specific color palate and made things a bit more dramatic

but his stuff varies wildly and he has a huge range so it depends on what collection you are talking about, im speaking more about ss08 and fw 08 or so and release as well

>>6697233
didnt think so

chinese was snarky on sufu and not really in a constructive or even funny way didnt seem like user at all tbh

>>6697224

sure, but its kind of validating to know that other people have come to a similar conclusion you have for some things, it means that your experience has relevance to other people

>>6697229

no, idk who he is, that guy just posted a screenshot of his post though which had a similar pov to what i posted earlier

>>6697003
>junya mafia toques
holy shit i just looked these up for the first time...holy shit. i'm upset.

>>6696294

It's metamodernism

Welcome to the new age, Sven

>>6696985
>>6697003
how was that an ether
theyre discussing fashion, something you should probably do more

>>6699484
4chan cultoor does things to people

>>6699512
>some people disagree
omg ether rek rek he etherd him