/fa/ - Fashion

The appeal is the oversized look, the big tongue, the in your face reworking of a classic sneaker. If you don't get it you'll never get it, that's that. It's like explaining the appeal of a painting to someone who doesn't like it.

some people like what you don't like, do you really expect everyone in the world to have the same taste in everything as you?

also those aren't geobaskets

> they are high-quality shoes with solid construction and fine materials
>this is what plebs actually believe

The whole thing with fashion is not everyone likes the same things.

Most people here start off not liking them and as they get more into fashion they tend to really grow on you.

Rick Owens has a lot unique footwear and comparing them to clown shoes isn't starting a discussion, it's just you being silly.

>>6669577
They also don't really look as big as you say either unless you are short and have massive feet.

>>6669577
>they grow on you
that's called hype, buddy

>>6669577
>Unique footwear
you mean fucking Nike's on roids?

>>6669591
Not really. People come here and aren't interested in fashion at first. They just want to follow guides and infographics to dress "average"

So when someone first comes here and sees a large, chunky sneaker bigger than anything they've seen before of course they are going to react adversely. They see zippers and think wtf why would you ever do that.

Then once they develop an interest in fashion they really do start to look better as you see how they can improve an outfit just like any unique designer shoes.

It's more becoming open-minded than hype.

>>6669558
>>6669560
i love how whenever someone posts something questioning the popularity of alternative fashion, /fa/ replies with smug ass shit like this. the question is more like why do people pay 400 dollars for used sneakers that look like airwalk knockoffs from china? you guys only recently hopped on the gothninja bandwagon because before it was just a joke.

>stop liking what i dont like
>people like different things

yeah no shit, doesn't change the fact that its all over priced and is only popular because the hollywood elite wear it, simply because it's expensive. the in your face reworking of a classic sneaker? theyre ridiculously expensive hi top dunks.

>>6669597
Turbo'd Nikes was pretty much the inspiration behind the dunks...so yes. Does Nike make anything as big as Dunks/Geos? No.

>>6669625
>look like airwalk knockoffs from china
to you they do
>over priced
nobody's making you buy them

>>6669560
>those aren't geobaskets
Yes they are, you dummy. Nobody outside of the internet refers to them as "dunks".

>>6669609
no thats what hype is. its gained popularity on this board; you'll start to like anything once you hear and see it enough.

>>6669645
I see yesstyle pics all the time, and I still think they look awful.

>>6669636
>nobody's making you buy them

ok? does that change the fact that they are in fact over priced? no it doesn't.

>>6669646
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere-exposure_effect

it wont apply to everything obviously

>>6669558
You can say that you like something.

You can say that you don't like something.

But unless you can explain why or why not, your opinion is pretty much useless.

Because then all it is, is an opinion. It's not critical. It's just some anon spouting off about his feelings.

>>6669625
>>6669558 here, how was anything I said smug? What you like and what you don't like is a gut feeling based on your experiences, how the fuck am I gonna tell you why you should like what I like? Nigga now I'm gonna be smug with you cause you're a dumb muthafucka lmao
>overpriced
>never took economics 101
Maybe your experiences from living in bumfuck, missouri are why you don't like anything outside of a very specific standard?

>>6669652
Please do explain how they're overpriced.

>>6669657
>The appeal is the oversized look, the big tongue, the in your face reworking of a classic sneaker.
He did explain his opinion.

>>6669646
its funny cause if you saw that shit with a raf or ro tag you'd change your mind immediately.

>>6669652

well it means that theyre overpriced to you, if they were overpriced to everyone no one would buy them.

as long as they sell out, theyre priced just fine.

>>6669645
I'm talking even a couple years ago when Rick was hated here by the majority. For the most part, /fa/ wasn't interested in fashion in the slightest. People just wanted a full mall wardrobe for the cheapest possible price. Once they started to actually get into fashion, they started accepting different aesthetics.

>>6669660
No, I really wouldn't. I don't like a lot of Raf or Rick's work.

>>6669663
And then he said this:
>If you don't get it you'll never get it, that's that. It's like explaining the appeal of a painting to someone who doesn't like it.

If we don't believe that a logical approach to criticism is possible, then there's no point at all.

OP isn't trying to learn to like Geobaskets. He's trying to understand *why* other people *do* like them.

That requires objectivity.

>>6669655
thats not being smug, thats making hostile baseless assumptions which make you look like an idiot. maybe you could enlighten me with your supreme knowledge and explain to me how the 1200 dollar price tag of geobaskets and eco 101 even remotely correlate.

>>6669665
right, so you agree. /fa/ used to hate rick, now /fa/ loves it.

>how do they look good

if you can't see any sort of appealing features in any sort of piece of apparel, then don't buy it

i don't know why people care so much, they're shoes

opinions opinions

>"look at that flimsy tongue"
>"thats enough lace to lynch your kid sister"

>>6669548
My mum hates them so I bought them with my first two months pay just to say a big fuck you to her. Also I love them but no idea why... /fa/ made me love their look somehow and once I bought them they were stuck to my feet, lyke fok u any oter shoe ily geobosket! u ma life

It's a caricature of a sneaker. It takes certain key stylistic elements of the hightop basketball shoe and turns the volume up to 11. It does so with great leather, and the soles on the newer ones are pretty great, too.
For most of us, having grown up with some fragment of sneaker culture playing a role in our lives, this shoe represents a graduation of sorts. It's extreme, it's over the top and it's also a commentary on sneaker styling in general. Rick himself said that when he was in the gym back in the day, he always noticed that the guys who lifted the heaviest had crazy hightops. Big, oversized tongues, glorious padding, the whole works. His idea was to trump every card in the sneaker playbook and make a "turbocharged" (his words) version of the venerable high top trainer.
Rick's shoe is a very natural bridge for us here, it's a midpoint between the sneaker and street-borne cultures of our youth and the high fashion we are learning to idolize.

>>6669656
Wait, are you saying people who don't browse /fa/ hate my geos?

Did I pay all this money for used clown shoes? Do I look ridiculous in normal people's eyes?

I never should have came to /fa/.

>>6669703
not necessarily but its more likely they dont care for them
did you love them the first time you saw them?

>>6669678
>make smug comment
>smug comments go over your head because you haven't passed an introductory class or read anything
Yeah, I guess you wouldn't understand the connection b/w basic economics and the pricing of goods since you don't seem to have been very well educated. Maybe read a book? An item's worth is how much someone is willing to pay for it. Just cause luxury goods aren't within your means doesn't mean they're "overpriced", as they they do sell out at that pricepoint. M8 what I'm saying isn't an assumption, your posts show how ignant you are of anything beyond merona tees.

>>6669703
yes you silly fuck

>>6669703
Did you just realize that?

punkers look retarded to the general population too. all subcultures look retarded to the normal population until they become mainstream. they only difference is that the subculture rick belongs to just happens to be vapid.

>>6669716
>>6669678
top lel u gays r equily retarted


Also this entire thread comes down to this:

>why do you guys like what I dont like
>I would never spend that money why would you

pointless thread.

im out

sage

>>6669684
No, /fa/ used to ignore rick and bring him up jokingly. Often to troll Sieg.

I haven't been around forever, but I'd say the rise of rick being legitimately worn and respected coincides with creation of the faggot store sticky. Oldfags correct me if I'm wrong.


When the faggot store first went up, there were a lot of people against a sticky because they said it would stifle creativity and promote a singular aesthetic.

The sticky was sold on the idea that it would divert basic bitch questions and leave room to discuss "real fashion" instead of having infographic threads all the time.

So now infographics became the domain of newfags and people had to distinguish themselves from the infographics in order to enlarge their e-peens. They had to start doing "real fashion". Whatever the fuck that was.

Thus: Rick Owens and goofninjitsu. Of course we all know how that turned out. SSENSE sale leftover goof diffusion brands and a lot of bad fits has slowly cheapened the whole aesthetic and now we're back to making jokes about rick and goofs again.

And oh look, now there's an 'avante garde' entry in the sticky.

>>6669703
>>6669696
Anyone who doesn't browse /fa/ or sz/w.e everyday thinks they look dump. Don't fall for the hype.

>>6669735
user wrote that

>>6669716
popcorn at movie theaters are like five to ten dollars. it still sells and people still buy it, but it doesn't mean that it isn't overpriced. 1200 dollars for a fucking shoe is overpriced. i could be a fucking billionaire, but the definition of overpriced doesnt change you moron.

>>6669752
Priorities vary from person to person. Why can't you accept this?

>>6669752
>2013
>not understanding how capitalism works
>hurr durr der4 my definition is rite

>>6669731
Okay, I usually try to not bring the age argument to the table, but this has been going on for months now: Why do a lot of goofninja friends type like this? are you actually underage or just playing the ruseman? are you all from /b/?

>>6669768
some folks think that retarded threads deserve retarded syntax.

>>6669752
If a product is priced low enough for people to want to purchase said product and still allow the manufacturer to make a profit, it's not overpriced. Maybe too expensive *for you*, but not ovepriced.

>>6669758
>>6669759
i can accept that people will pay that much for shoes. i dont give a shit if you wanna spend 2000 dollars a week on bed sheets and scarves. it isn't that i cant understand how shoes can be that much money, but they are overpriced. you just seem to think that the word overpriced only applies in literal terms where there is a set market value for an item and someone sells past that point.

>>6669752
Law of diminishing returns.

In terms of dollars, the difference between 'absolute shit' and 'pretty damn good' is not all that much . But the difference between 'pretty damn good' and 'perfect' is extreme.


Like with a CPU. You can buy the best for a stupid amount of money. And that's just what it costs.

But maybe you can get 80% of the performance for 1/4 the price.

Or even less. I'm making up numbers here. The point is, cost and performance ratios don't scale in linear fashion.

With all that said, I think people who spend 3000 dollars on a CPU are fucking retarded. Even if that's what it costs to make the damn thing.


And I don't think geobaskets actually cost 1200 bucks to make.

Maybe if you factor in the cost of rick's time to design the things... but really now. They're an old design at this point. And design is a one time cost. Design costs matter less and less the more of the things that you make (or fake).

>>6669796
If you take into account all designer sneakers/footwear available Rick Owens sneakers are quite reasonably priced for what you get.

>>6669768
reasons vary among goofers from trying to be unique or confidence.

validation or appreciation

Personally the latter. I spent thousands of dollars on Ann D a bit on rick. And I look at my self in the mirror and think how damn good I look. And yet I've never posted a fit anywhere, not here or SZ. I lurk here more than SZ because this place is more of a comedic gold mine. And when I do post here it's rarely serious.

Then on the other hand there's people who buy shit for validation and well... that hardly flies.

Also bunch of folks who come on here hoping /fa/ will lower their standards money-wise because they are poor. But they just get laughed at because /fa/ shouldn't lower it standards for the poor but at the same time it shouldnt matter either because being /fa/ is subjective.

So my point is:

There's no point in wondering because everyone has different opinions.

>>6669799

dan laying down some knowledge 8)

>>6669778
>priced low enough for people to buy but still make a profit
>not overpriced

what are you trying to say here? no one is saying that companies who make a profit off an item means that its overpriced. but keep spouting obvious shit just in case somebody forgets.

>>6669810
I think that with care and a good eye people can look good on a budget. But it's hard and probably requires more experience than that of the typical poor noob that shows up on /fa/'s doorstep.

But still. I think looking good on a shoestring budget is a worthwhile exercise.

/fa/ shouldn't be so lazy as to be unwilling to rise to that challenge.

>>6669752
Are you serious? If I had a billion dollars I would pay some poor as shits family to let me kill one of them for any price, even all my money... Are you saying that's overpriced?

>>6669735
>WAH WHY DO THINGS CHANGE WAAAHHHH

>>6669700
Did you read House of Leaves? What did you think? Can you recommend me some good books? Whatever genre you want.

thanks bb

you don't have to go out of your way to answer if you don't want to

>>6670944
Yeah, I liked it a lot and continue to like it a lot.
I recommend Gibson's Burning Chrome, Sterling's Schismatrix, Stephen Kings Wastelands and Murakami's Kafka on the Shore.

>>6670963
thanks

>>6669585

That looks retarded. Holocaust tier people should not be wearing oversized shoes

>>6671225
nobody cares how you feel

>>6671225
the anon doth shit talk too much without as much as showing us his attire

>>6671225

I think ops pic may be my dunks lol
im also pretty faded

>>6671268
geos look so great on skeletons

>>6669548
The quality of construction is so high they start falling apart in a week.

>>6671318
not this shit again
a 5 year old post from SZ and its continuing legacy.

>>6669609
In a way that sounds like indoctrination?
I guess a positive kind of brainwashing, because it makes people open minded.

Basically: someone who doesn't have a clue about fashion comes here and practically uses /fa/ as his only income of solid fashion advice.

/fa/ is all over RO so it's almost impossible to start hating his shoes because 'you don't know any better'. You just accept them and kinda leave your own opinion out of it.

If those those were constantly being ripped here, n3wb13s would probanly openly say they hate them as well.

I mean, I bet there are lots of high-end fashion designers (who obviously have a huge interest in fashion) that find those shoes disgustingly ugly, regardless of the final outfit.

>>6671346
>n3wb13s

lmao are you in 3rd grade

>>6671346
>I guess a positive kind of brainwashing, because it makes people open minded.
lmao wut

no, what he's doing is patting himself on the back by calling people who like things he likes open minded when in reality the people who jock rick aren't open minded at all. It's easy to be "open minded" about something that is expensive and accepted especially when their only retort is "p-poorfag" or "d-dadcore fag".

All high end designer clothing is of the same quality. The only thing left is the aesthetic. You either like it or you don't. No amount pretentiousness will change that.

>>6669548
>>6669548
>>6669548

"The example you give of a T-shirt and jeans shows that you might have very traditional notions of what is aesthetically pleasing to you. That’s cool, but please keep in mind that Yohji Yamamoto is not a traditional designer. He didn’t start out as such, and I doubt he will change any time soon. If you don’t ‘get’ the aesthetic, then maybe it would be better if you ignored the thread altogether or changed your approach. It shouldn’t be a case of coming here and asking that people should “convince” you of the superiority of Yohji’s designs compared to more traditional and dare I say mundane offerings. Maybe if you started by looking at the references and design inspirations for the looks and outfits here exclusive of external comparisons to more traditional masculine outfits it would make a lot more sense down the road. No one looks at a Picasso and asks that it be proven he made better paintings than Leonardo Da Vinci…"

same idea

>>6669548
i like the swoosh thingy

>>6669548
>why do people like thing i dont like thing

>>6671408
This is so fucking pretentious. Stop replacing words like "like" with "get". There's nothing to get and that exact same argument could be flipped right back at the person who just said it.

Big words and purple prose a good point does not make.

the real point is: you either like it or you don't. instead of you faggots talking the designers inspiration or whether or not it's a parody all you have to say is "I like it and here's why". Not pretending the person who doesn't like it just "doesn't get it". Everything wrong with art critics in every one of it's facets not just fashion.

>>6671318
There is a 55+ page thread on SZ that goes like this:

Person 1: I've worn my dunks for a week and they are falling apart already what do??
Person 2: Yeah same I need to get mine repaired.
Person 3: How is that even possible? I practically live in my pair and they are in perfect condition.
Person 2: Anyone know a good cobbler?
Person 4: Who cares - Rick sneakers are ugly.
Person 5: Disagree. Anyone got a link to a pair in size 41??

This goes on for years. This chat is basically what gets parroted in these threads on /fa/ every time.

>>6671346
Newsflash, new people here do hate on Rick.

>>6671367
That is a pretty close-minded generalization to make.

>>6671433
every single one of them so far has said 'I like it because it looks good'

>>6671465
I don't see my post linking to every person in this thread I see it linked to a specific person and no there's a lot of different replies in this thread. u tried.

>>6671433
note that i didn't write that
notice the quotation marks? lol

same idea, it shouldn't be a case of us "explaining" or "convincing" OP who obviously has a closed, biased approach. If he doesn't like it then why the fuck does he care if other people like it? "wah stop liking what i don't like"
he should grow up and either do his own research or just ignored it instead of making shit threads like this whining about how people like shit he doesn't understand

>>6671533
i agree.


hey op fuck you

>>6669799
>And I don't think geobaskets actually cost 1200 bucks to make.
obviously they don't. and besides, they only cost 1200$ in us - theyre 1000$ in europe (almost all fashion made in europe is about 20% more expensive in us)

>>6671433
THIS

>>6669558
Anybody who knows how to talk about art should be able to explain why they like a painting.

>>6672346
you mean anyone with eyes? anyone can convey what they don't like about something or the way it makes them feel. just because they don't use your faggot art words doesn't mean it has any less weight. art is for people by people. not for the knowledgeable few by the knowledgeable few you pretentious faggot.

I prefer these

>>6672417
that is exactly what he has been saying all along

people saying "you don't get it" are the pretentious ones

>>6669585
w2c trousers

kris van assche > geobaskets
imo