/fa/ - Fashion

Fascist architecture and aesthetics are /fa/ as fuck.

>>6591650

Not really. If you knew anything about architecture you'd probably agree.

>Brutalism
>fascist

No, OP, no.

>>6591650
Amen.

>>6591676

>>6591650
hell no, fascist neo-classicism is absolute dogshit kitsch

>>6591650
ugly

>>6591676
uglier

>>6591684
ugliest


Just because you have a hitler youth and wear army boots everyday doesn't make you a nazi.

>>6591673
>>6591688
Well the two are connected....

>>6591696
post something not ugly according to your supremely refined taste.

>>6591671
Enlighten me. I actually spend a good chunk of my life giving English tours in Nuremberg and the most popular tours were always the Nazi Party Rally grounds, complete with /fa/ architecture.

>>6591688
>>6591696

>ugly

Yep. Totally. Fascism is not cool, fellow antifa bro.

>>6591708
not even remotely
fascist architecture is a childish imitation of neoclassicism
brutalism is a purely modernist movement

>>6591724

Damn dude, I didn't know you gave tours for a living.

Im so sorry.

>>6591747
Good money on the side for a historical society? Can't make easier buck as an English speaker in Germany.

Nothing to be sorry about. I loved my time there.

Sorry for hurting your antifa feelings, bb.

>You will never have the aesthetics of a fascist leader

>>6591786
where 2 meet hot fascist babe?

>brutalism
>fascist
brutalism is post-ww2 and fairly non-authoritarian in terms of philosophy

>>6591799
Europe circa 1935

>>6591815
w2c time machine

>>6591818
It will be invented the year after you die, anon.

4chan shoud have an architecture board where you can all cling to a particular movement and call everyone who likes anything else a plebian.

I like floor to ceiling windows and flat surfaces.

>>6591814
>brutalism
>non-authoritarian

Lol.

Look at the picture you just posted. The authoritarian intent is obvious. The way the walls bend in on occupants creates a sensation of being crushed. Brutalist buildings were meant to feel imposing, agressive, and dominating, to encourage submission and obedience. There's a reason so many big corporations commissioned them.

>>6591830
dang. will u bang 2 fascist qtiez for me?

I love baroque architecture.

It was the ultimate form over function style.

>>6591835
I'll bag three in your honor.

O god, some of the buildings at my university were brutalist and they were the most hideous, filthy, annoying pieces of shit on campus.

not /fa/

>>6591833
brutalists were social progressives, their work was meant to build communities in urban environments. what you've written about dominance wasn't just pulled from the darkest reaches of your asshole, it's precisely the opposite of brutalism's intentions.

>>6591835
You could always start a new fascist movement, anon. You're bound to find a few hot girls who will be drawn to your ideology if only to rebel against the multicultural liberal establishment.

>>6591688
This.

>>6591708

Modernist architecture can look a lot alike, but Brutalism as a discrete philosophy (and there is a difference, but I don't feel like writing it up right now) and a movement is entirely a postwar phenomena.

>>6591833
Again, eh, no. There's some corporate office Brutalism, but the stereotypes that get trotted out are college campuses and housing projects.

>>6591833
Brutalism (not the original name) actually had progressive intentions.

>>6591708
This anon is correct:
>>6591730

Brutalism is a wholly modernist phenomenon. National Socialism, for one, was not really a proponent of modernism

Architecture and Art History major out.

ps: Hitler had /fa/ aesthetics.

>>6591848
Twerk gets it.

Also, fascism is completely un-/fa/.

>self-abnegation
>sexual repression and misogyny
>the worst of traditional morality up to 11, throwing out the humanity and the romance
>Third Position bullshit that winds up being worse than stock capitalism
>being a swallower, not a dick

And no, trotting out Boss, Chanel, and Vuitton will not save you.

If it ain't baroque, then fix it

Speer is awful. your Welthauptstadt would look like this in a few decades ( which is also about how long it would take that long to walk from the train station to your office )
this is giant sculpture meant to opress and
intimidate, not livable architecture

>>6591831
why does 4chan doesnt have such a board. Would be greate! I have a whole interior folder someone dumbed once on a board i dont remember.

>>6591873
we should construct brutalist jails to imprison the philistines inside of

>>6591866
>History channel level of informed
>totally un /fa/
>ignore all of these /fa/ designers

Okay, m8.

>>6591866
Dirty red detected, fascism is the salvation of civilisation. Democratic capitalism is broken and communism is a joke. Also, you seem to know nothing of fascism anyway.

>>6591873
Why would a large dome structure turn into a Brutalist style tower?

Again, Brutalism is a product of modernism. The Nazis weren't exactly proponents.

>>6591854
>National Socialism, for one, was not really a proponent of modernism

It was, though, in the sense that it was a constructed response to modernity. It was precisely, totally opposite the right response to it and the human questions it lay bare, but as an overall project (including the insane neo-classicism greatness-by-fiat shit) it was within modernism.

That's not any more of a compliment than saying whatever /fa/ hates the most is post-modernist, being within and a reaction to post-modernity, to be clear. I hate it more than anything ever.

i fucks wit Mies

>>6591650

Yeah, the buildings looks pretty in vintage photos, but take a ride to Nüremberg and you will realise that their architectural stile was shit. However, they aesthetics were the best thing that ever happened to humanity, so bad it is "politically incorrect" to show this oppinion

>>6591887
>>6591889
even if it wasn't for muh six (actually ten) million, ignoring that its limited success was only a product of looting, nazism was untenable economically and politically. mein kampf is downright randian in its silliness and hitler couldn't have lead a horse, nevermind a country.

>>6591898
tepid reworkings of classicism without any of the talent or vision does not make for good aesthetics.

>>6591837
I think the Baroque era was the height of the human architecture.

people defending Nazism because they thought the 'uniforms looked cool' is literally the only thing on 4chan that can get me really mad
like outrageously mad I hate you so much

how can I get over this
do I need to see a counselor or something

>>6591918
I defend it because I got educated on it, and decided I like the ideology. So stay mad, Herschel.

>>6591918
No. You need to pick up a Garand or an SMLE and get to work.

>>6591911
>ignoring that its limited success was only a product of looting


Good one.

>>6591918
I feel you.

>>6591918
what you should do is realize that the uniforms were retreading ancient ground and doing so poorly. their tailoring was already dated and from a practical perspective as something to fight in, inferior to almost all allied uniforms.

they like them because they don't know better.

>>6591866

You forgot Evee

>>6591918
>people defending Nazism because they thought the 'uniforms looked cool'

These people don't exist.

OP here, sorry, I was watching Cidade de Deus

Didn't mean to imply that brutalism is connected to fascism, it's just the first thing that the structures remind me of

Dystopian fascist governments

>>6591918
>being this butt mad

Haha. Wow.

>>6591911
>holocaust

Yeah. Nah.

>product of looting
Er. Keynesian economics, actually. Also, topkek at calling Mein Kampf 'Randian'

3/10

>>6591937
SS uniforms and Waffen-SS camo are among the most appealing of the entire conflict. Sorry.

>>6591937
>Napoleonic era looking uniforms will never come back
Fyck, I'd actually join

>>6591940
YSL was a queer Pied-Noir who was nine when the war ended, who was so incompatible with a military environment he suffered a nervous breakdown twenty days after being conscripted into the French Army.

>>6591918
are you sure youre not just a giant faggot?

>>6591911
>tepid reworkings of classicism without any of the talent or vision does not make for good aesthetics

i disagree. look at the proportions, they're impeccable. while it might not be good architecture, it certainly is aesthetic.

>>6591866
>>sexual repression
>bad

Taking it up the ass isn't /fa/

>>6591937
Yes, that's exactly with the NVA copied the uniforms and why some of the Waffen SS camos are more or less still in use.

Totally 'behind'

>>6591837
I think it's just gaudy

>>6591866
How much History Channel can one Amerifat watch? Wow. Impressive distortion.

>>6591956
keynesian my ass, nazist economic policy hinges on cronyism and corporatism and would only have resulted in germany's public treasury being siphoned into the pockets of party leaders. nazi germany, had it survived, would have been just as poor and as inefficient as any of the socialist republics.

>>6591970
what's your point?

>>6591970
Not just the NVA, German military tradition was, ironically, a major influence on Russia military tradition, as well as many other countries. If an Army goose-steps and has marches with a three-beat tempo, thats good ol' Fritz right there.

>>6591974
Lol, what? The History Channel is right-wing.

>>6591918
lmao, get a load of this fuccboi.

do any other boards have architecture / interior design threads? I wonder if it would be worth making a new board. I mean, /gd/ is doing fine and I'd hardly expect there to be more people interested in that

>>6591980
>German military tradition

Not that Prussia was anything to be glad about, but traditional conservatives and military types tended to be ambivalent to contemptuous about Naziism.

Brutalism is fedora tier

>>6591978
My point, you mung, is that the camo and style was hardly 'behind' on the times. Often copied, never matched.

>>6591991
my point was that the tailoring and construction was woefully dated and less appropriate for fighting than nearly all other contemporary uniforms, but you wouldn't be able to deliver an opinion on that because you don't know what you're talking about.

>>6591978
Except it was Keynesian.

>At first, Schacht continued the economic policies introduced by the government of Kurt von Schleicher in 1932 to combat the effects of the Great Depression. These policies were mostly Keynesian, relying on large public works programs supported by deficit spending – such as the construction of the Autobahn network – to stimulate the economy and reduce unemployment. There was major reduction in unemployment over the following years, while price controls prevented the recurrence of inflation. The economic policies of the Third Reich were in the beginning the brainchildren of Schacht, who assumed office as president of the central bank under Hitler in 1933, and became finance minister in the following year. Schacht was one of the few finance ministers to take advantage of the freedom provided by the end of the gold standard to keep interest rates low and government budget deficits high, with massive public works funded by large budget deficits.[16] The consequence was an extremely rapid decline in unemployment – the most rapid decline in unemployment in any country during the Great Depression.[16] Eventually this Keynesian economic policy was supplemented by the boost to demand provided by rearmament and swelling military spending.

Before you open your Yid pie-hole remember that most nations were expanding their military budget and rearming.

>>6591848
man corbusier is such a hack

>>6591953
And wow, just scrolled down
Sorry for bringing /teenstormfront/ aka /pol/ cancer here

>>6592000
Source?

Please, enlighten me.

Also, we're talking about aesthetics, not what you feel is appropriate for fighting.

>all this glorious antifa butthurt

>>6591978
twerk it, how do you know all this? i want to get in on this type of knowledge.

>>6591989
maybe, but it's more of the 13-year old who wears them because they look cool rather than a manchild with tripp pants

it had good intentions and lasting influence

>>6591989
no

>>6591987
That was because those Junker types tended to be contemptuous of the lower class, and Nazism, at its core, was a movement of the everyman. Thats why the SA wore such plebeian uniforms, meant to mimic white collar clothing. The SS uniform was an attemt to appeal to upper class officer types needed to increase its quality who would normally have gravitated to the ruegular army.

>>6591989
What's the architecture equivalent to vaporwave

>>6592007
Point being, you can't put "German military traditions influenced people" on this bullshit when you're really talking about the Prussian military to 1914.

>>6592009
classicism, in all seriousness.

>>6591958
tfw u will never be a hussar

>>6592014
>laughingErnstJünger.tiff

>>6592015
that doesn't even make sense

>>6592001
>most nations were expanding their military budget and rearming.

Though I can't provide an exact statistic I believe I read that for most of the 1930s, Germany's military expenditures were some of the lowest among the great European nations. Hitler devoted a quite a bit of time spinning up a bluff campaign to convince Britain that they were on equal footing when in reality much of Germany's money was going towards infrastructure and public works.

>>6591960

The occupied France wasn't a military enviroment for the elite, also, in his quote he's not putting enphasis on the years he lived, if you read the interview you may notice that he was praising the Vichy's period and his aesthetics.

>>6592015

>>6592014
Oh no, I was just giving out fun facts. Really, the NVA looking so like the Wehrmacht was a simple case of them having a bunch of leftover Wehrmacht uniforms, and sticking to the look. But I believe that SS camo uniforms were quite innovative, nonetheless.

>people fapping over Nazi aesthetics
Nazi Germany was just a diluted version of Prussia with less skulls and oppression.

>>6592015
What about the equivalent to this

>>6591981

Half of the allieds were under right-wing governments during WWII

>>6591989
Make a tier'd infograph

CBA to study architecture and develop taste

>>6592001
public works is not keynesian; deficeit spending is not keynesian; keynesianism requires that you build a treasury during boons to bankroll recoveries during busts and nazist economic policy fails that basic test (as does american economic policy post-nixon)

>>6592003
read a book. prep yourself with adam smith at the very least, then thumb through mein kampf and laugh until you cry.

>>6592006
nazi uniforms were just as mass produced as allied uniforms, but tried to make nods towards civilian tailoring that results in decreased range of motion, whereas allied uniforms were thoroughly informed by contemporary activewear.

>>6592034
this obviously, could also loosely be considered leancore

>omg w2c?!?!?!?
use google image search friendo

>>6592003
Just read this.

>>6591981
>thinking Nazi Germany fits within the right-left 'merican dichotomy.

Keep up that education, kiddo.

>>6592047
wait what the h*ck

i asked for the architecture equivalent 2 that and u post some post-internet seapunk fashion

u playin me boy?

>>6592034

>>6592057
thought you wanted the vaporwave equivalent to that

>>6592060
that.. that doesn't even make sense u cakeboi

>>6592039
Gonna need a source on that, champ.

>diving right into Adam Smith

topkek.

>>6592048
this neglects to mention hitler's yearly budget deficit of more than 40 million marks a year with a national deficient of 40 billion marks by the start of the war. germany's recovery was bankrolled by creating imaginary money with imaginary value.

>>6592039
I meant to say how do you know all this stuff on architecture. What are some good books to read to get into architecture?

i went to university with a campus all designed by walter netsch and built in the sixties. It was really a brutalist masterpiece when it was first built, but its been falling apart and they've been slowly remodeling it and stripping its original style.

I really loved it though. Formed concrete everywhere. It wasn't minimalist either, and had enough asymmetric cuts to make your head spin. All my classmates universally hated it, and they all complained about getting lost in the buildings and feeling like they were in prison. They were all total plebs tho. I tried to start an architectural preservation club when i was there to lobby the university to preserve and reconstruct its original architectural character, but no one ever showed up to the meetings. It used to have a two tier walkway system all across the campus, with a big sunk-in amphitheatre

pic related

>>6592079
>imaginary money with imaginary value.

You clearly know what you're talking about.

Muh holocaust. Muh six gorillion.

>>6592076
source on what? the uniforms? the uniforms themselves are the source; compare the shoulder and sleeve cap of a nazi uniform to anything used by the allies and imagine which one would be easier to handle a gun with.

>>6592078
i don't know. i don't really read about architecture except when an architect writes something. i look at buildings to learn about architecture. i have read some reports and essays at various building materials and how they're utilized.

>>6592079
Jew mad?

>>6592086
pic

>>6592076
>>diving right into Adam Smith

What do you mean diving right into Adam Smith?

Adam Smith is Macro 101

>>6592089
pic 2

this building had a totally ridiculous lay out

>>6592094
Dude. Are you dense? We're talking /fa/ aesthetics, not shootan.

>>>/k/
>i look at buildings to learn about architecture.

You don't say?

>>6591956
are those photographs real? Why are they all wearing NS uniforms? Are those just occupied people who where forced/used in those areas like the romans did with non-romans? Never saw non-germans wearing NS-emblemes

>>6592094

when people refuse to accept reality in the first place, its not worth the discussion.

>>6592086
>They were all total plebs tho

I laughed out loud

>>6592113
Believe it or not you've been taught a skewed version of history.

>>6592102
>not doing background reading from Locke, Hume, or Hobbes.

You really need to bone up on things before you just jump into people that influential.

Okay, m8.

>>6592113
Actually at the height of membership the Waffen SS had more non-Germans than Germans in it.

Not even joking. Some were, certainly, conscripts, but there were hundreds of thousands who were not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS_foreign_volunteers_and_conscripts

Hell, it was even in the news recently:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/outrage-as-ss-men-hold-anniversary-celebration-in-estonia-6166026.html

>>6591730
>not even remotely
I disagree completely with that.

Brutalism and Fascism are connected through their modernist roots. I was never suggesting they are the same, or driven by the same thing. The designs are fueled by totally different mindsets and thoughts, but the end results share a lot of common bonds beyond being simply from the modernist era of architecture.

>>6592120
fuck off /pol/

>>6592120
give me the red pill pls

twerk hates nazis cuz the SS kicked all the faggots out of berlin before WW2

>>6592115
what gets me is that anyone buys into this /pol/ stuff when five minutes with google defuses every argument they advance. i wonder if a clever troll isn't feeding silly revisionist arguments to these people knowing full well that they lack the intellectual acuity and vigor to follow through with their own research.

>>6592151
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7-pgprBUKw

>>6592174
>thinking this is just "/pol/ stuff"

How delusional you are.

>>6591978
Twerk it, what's the saurce on that movie?

>>6592199
denialism is older than /pol/, certainly, but grandfathering is hardly helpful here.

ITT: some degenerate named twerk tries to slander one of the most /fa/ movements in history and cites no sources other than just saying 'muh google'

>>6592206
otto
features gay sex

>>6592210
What are you even on about? First of all, there are a lot of different ideologies that /pol/ presents. Hell, last time I was there I saw more about Austrian economics and libertarianism than anything concerning NS.

Social nationalism is much better than just some teenagers on an image board.

>>6592227

>Social nationalism is much better than just some teenagers on an image board.

hahahahahahaha

cute

>>6592196
blocked in Germany. They dont want us to know. Fucking jews.

>>6592227
i'm sure, but there's something particular that's implied when people bitch about /pol/tards and the context of this thread should have told you as much.

>>6592234
HAHAHA. Oh my. How typical of the people twerk takes it up the ass from.

Just google David Cole. He's a Jewish guy who investigates the claims of Auschwitz tour guides and researchers.

>>6592235
>If...if I say haha it must not be true

If you say so, Shylock.

>>6592237
>people

A handful of degenerates? That's the kind of people I hope are bitching about this sort of ideology. it's not for your kind of people.

>>6591854
>National Socialism, for one, was not really a proponent of modernism

It was the culmination of modernism, the "end of modernism" in the Hegelian sense, modernism par excellence.

>>6592275
not him but you can argue from a Hegelian or Marxist angle on this until the cows come home. pretty sure he's not really talking about modernism in the same sense you are. From an aesthetic viewpoint Hitler was no proponent of the art style of modernism.

>>6592286

The revivalist movements of the late 19th and early 20th century are modern.

I think modernism across the arts can be explained as a reaction to the collapse of traditional religious and political ideals in that proponents of modernism attempted to replace the old with something new. Ultimately this lead to national (and racial) fervor which nearly tore the world in two. The Axis Powers were at once the greatest expression of the modern modus operandi and the cause of the failure of the movement. Hence 1945 is considered the year we shifted into a postmodern sensibility. Nothing is final anymore.

>>6592095
Is this the building I think it is ("Behavioral Sciences Building"?
Because I go to this school (University of Illinois at Chicag) and everyone here hates the fucking architecture. The buildings are disorderly on both the inside and outside in a way that is both of a depressing aesthetic and completely impractical

>>6592477
yes it bsb. when i was a freshman I used to hang out on the 3rd fl outside hexagon things and drink beer with friends. i also really like SEL and the coop 4th flr crossways that connect the 2 buildings under the roof

>>6592597
too bad they got rid of the walkways as well as the underground tunnels that made the entire campus walkable without being on terrain. I heard this is because it got rapey at night, though.

>>6592174
it doesnt matter because even if someone actually took the time to research it you would simply disregard their opinion on the basis of 'google searches' and 'internet articles'

also,
>10million
this is a dumb thread though and reading it is the absolute worst

>>6592706
what is this post trying to say

are you disagreeing or agreeing? clarify pls, thank you.

>>6592674
i heard it was because the concrete wws crumbling. I have one friend who got her mfa in painting at uic back when it still had the upper decks. I also once met another guy who studied film there in the 80s and told me about how dangerous/ghetto the maxwell street area used to be. now he films reality shows for the history channel

>>6591594
I been there, that building is kinda a disgusting contrast to the national park it's in.

>>6592706
do you have anything substantiate to say

>>6592891
>>6592984
10million is hilarious