/fa/ - Fashion

>>6553073
All this "high grade" materials is just bullshit if you cant make proper use of it, ie giza and "sea island" cotton (definition used loosely), i have tons of super soft socks made by it but whats the point of making a super soft shirt/sweat etc if it looses it's original shape completely after one wash. Who puts an "elk" leather tab that will stiffen and snap on machine wash items? Try making a decent cotton sweat thats not completely fucked in the body and neck after two washes first... I think all the "high grade" material suede shoes i still have thats older than a xouple of years all have holes in the suede and have been to the cobbler multiple times. All gore tex items I've ever had from visvim had the same issues, snap buttons coming loose cause of inferior reinforcement, taped seams coming loose etc, etc.. Gap, jcrew, prl and the likes with large scale production will in 99% of cases take a piss on visvim in the quality department, even on a 15$ shirt.. Didnt hiroki use to work for burton? I still have several 10+ year old snowboard jackets with taped seams from burton i still use, not from his department surely.

>>6553103
CCP shirts are the same, best part of a grand and you can't button them up without losing a button.

>>6553073
OH

PS:

THIS GREEDY CHING CHONG MOVED PRODUCTION TO CHINA AND KOREA

THAT'S RIGHT BITCH

YOU'RE PAYING 4 FIGURES FOR MADE IN CHINA SHIT

>>6553122
>actually paying for vivsim
lmao

>>6553122
I notice a lot of brands that had made in japan construction are moving to China. It's like when Euro designers move their production to portugal.

fw13 looks pretty sick though

>>6553131
You can't compare Portugal and Romania to China

Portugal and Romania have minimum wage, labour rights, skilled workers, good facilities, etc

>>6553144
>I have never visited a clothes plant of respectable brands in China but they must be shit because chinks
The only factories that pull foxconn shit are contractors

>>6553152
>this doesn't happen
>IT ONLY HAPPENS IN THESE COMPANIES


ok buddy

Also

Raf made in Portugal vs Visvim made in China, at same retail Price

Portuguese Worker Wages: $725
Chinese Worker Wages: $138

Not to mention that Visvim is built like shit and falls apart faster than fucking high street trash

Hiroku Sucky Sucky is just a greed ching chong

>>6553183
GLEAT QUALITY ALTISAN WOLKSMANSHIT

Leaving aside the bullshit racism, Goretex, having been around since 1969, is arguably falling into classic/vintage/even (gasp!) heritage status now.

I'd be curious as to if Visvim was using an up-to-date fabric marketed under the Goretex name or a more classic formulation of it.

>>6553103
>machine wash

I've never handled Visvim (qq) and can't comment on durability or quality. But seriously,

>machine wash

Not even once.

Visvim is hyped as fuck, Hiroki is just capitalizing on it

>low demand elasticity

>>6553073
visvim isn't about tradition, come on. I don't know if they ever claimed to be, but their products certainly don't look like they're aiming for "traditional"

they hybridize tradition and modern tech

there are plenty of high-end brands that actually are "about tradition" in japan and elsewhere, but tradition is only one piece of the puzzle for visvim. I mean, look at the fucking heel counters on their boots, or the soles on their moccasins

>>6553183
>Portugal cost of living
>China cost of living

Seriously, China is the worst of capitalism coupled with the near-worst of Stalinism, but comparisons like this aren't helpful and have nothing directly to do with construction quality.

>>6553267
I'm not familiar with Visvim beyond looking through lookbook pictures, actually, and I just kind of assumed they were one of those.

Tell me more?

>>6553258
>I'd be curious as to if Visvim was using an up-to-date fabric marketed under the Goretex name or a more classic formulation of it.

Would they even be able to make a better version of it

Its pretty good, so putting resource into making a better version would be a waste of time imo

>>6553267
>I don't know if they ever claimed to be

>>6553271
>comparisons like this aren't helpful and have nothing directly to do with construction quality


Of course they don't necessarily imply construction quality

That was just an aside

Visvim construction quality is shit

>>6553362
I know they've claimed tradition but I don't know in what way, because I don't follow the brand. I don't know whether they said they are "all about tradition" or "very interested in tradition" or "inspired by tradition" or what.

>>6553319
Definitely.

There's a basic, physical contradiction in this kind of fabric, "waterproof breathable:" you need to engineer it so no water gets in, while trapping as little air and sweat vapor inside as possible. The ideal fabric would let no water through (easy; a rubber jumpsuit will do it) and wick sweat away from you as well as wool and dry as quickly as polyester without winding up smelling like sweat.

Getting all that going is very difficult and the subject of a lot of R&D. Quickly Googled up article:

http://gearjunkie.com/waterproof-breathable-hardshell-jackets-2011

>>6553379
hiroki said that he is inspired a lot by his japanese roots and he often re creates old fabrics he finds, i guess that basically translates into tradition

>>6553504
that sounds about right. tradition is a part of visvim but it's not all visvim is.

>>6553516
definitely, they make shit like noragis and stuff too

might as well buy a knockoff albacore shirt off of ioffer, authentic ones are made in the same place so why not

>>6553122
Did they really?
Got a source on this/how did you find out? (Just out of curiosity)

>>6553410
Sorry for the l8 reply and thanks for the article

I understand that there's R&D, I misread your post saying that visvim itself would be developing the new fabric. I wasn't aware at all that gore-tex was being surpassed though, thanks a poopload for the info.

I just hope it actually works

>>6553073
shit is way too much money