/fa/ - Fashion

much better!

dopeman a shit

>>6226764
yo bro
just wanna thank you for all does shoe posts

How many pages in the navbar is too many? There's a lot of content, but I'm worried about it looking cluttered.

>>6226788
I think some pages can definitely be directed to from other pages. It might make sense to have some very general base pages to put the other pages on. For example, "Lists" could redirect to 'list of brands', 'list of tripfags', 'list of stores'. "Guide" can redirect to 'infographics', 'quotes', 'basics', 'recommended stores', etc.

its cool to just copy+paste wikipedia articles and edit them for this wiki, right?

>>6226812
It might make the wiki reek of laziness but I can't think of a strong reason why it would not be okay

It would be better to have the wikipedia page to be listed under "external links" for any given page.

>>6226832
don't know how "to be" got in there but it doesn't belong in that sentence

>>6226804
Good idea. Also It's important to keep this thing simple.

http://tuxbell.com/fa/majortest/index.php?title=Stores

Can someone with experience with these stores categorize them more appropriately and add descriptions?

>>6226931
I can start

f-father

We could have a thrift shop article where we write down cool shops of all kinds in different countries, specially for those outside the US.
It could be categorized by price ranges, brands carried, target audience, etc.

it's amazing how much you learn from working on articles for the wiki

I was looking for pictures for the quoddy article and that's how I learned that SSENSE has kicked off their current sale

>>6227113
dude ur a machine

>>6226757
WHO THE FUCK IS IN CHARGE OF THIS BULLSHIT?
im assuming turnleft or one of his buttbuddies

hey hipster dude

I thought of a solution to that tripfag thing

we could just have a reviews of this brand page, and ask the tripfags to make a quick 1 sentence review of the brand, while others would be made by anons. They could attach a pic (timestamped?) of their personal one if they wanted to.

>>6227277
that could be cool, and I suppose anonymous posters could contribute to that as well if it was done that way.

it would still be worthwhile to also have a list attached of tripfags notable for liking the brand. For example, we can deduce that Matt Helders like Rick Owens since he bought fake geos, and if he doesn't decide to contribute to the wiki, that knowledge is still available to us. Same goes for other known fans of the brand like Teddy.

>>6227113
speaking of the sale on ssense, am I the only one seeing this?

>>6227337

congrats you have a virus

clap

>>6227337
no i saw that when I was watching some pornos. wait yeah that's a virus. wut

>>6227337
for me a present gif floated down the screen, so it's normal.

>>6227337

for me it was a cat saying "can i haz sale?"

>>6227337
filename made me fucking lol

>>6227277
>>6227285

NO
THAT
THIS
HOLY FUCK FUCKING GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD YOU AUTISMIC BUMFUCKS
THAT'S A FUCKING STUPID IDEA AND EVERYONE LIKES DIFFERENT SHIT SO IT'S ALL GONNA BE OPINIONATED AND HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO ANYTHING AT ALL YOU'RE JUST SHITTING UP THE STICKY

JESUS CHRIST YOU GUYS ACTUALLY ARE LIKE MENTALLY CHALLENGED

>>6227410
lmaonade

>>6227277

ALSO "REVIEWS" OF BRANDS SOUNDS FUCKING STUPID I MEAN COME ON THERE IS GOOGLE AND ACTUAL OTHER FASHION SITES FOR LOOKING INTO BRANDS AND ALL THAT WILL COME OUT OF IT IS SOME OPINIONATED BS AND EVEN IF ITS SOMEWHAT INFORMATIVE LETS BE HONEST HERE HOW MANY OF US ACTUALLY BUY HIGH FASHION SHIT

FUCKING USELESS
YOU GUYS ARE DUMB AS FUCK
STOP FOCUSING SO FUCKIGN MUCH ON TRIPFAGS AND SHIT THE STICKY IS MEANT TO HELP BEGINNERS DRESS BETTER

>>6227427
It's gonna be a wiki, so who cares

just don't put tripfag stuff in the beginner guide section

easy

>>6227410
>>6227427
thank you

no trips allowed gb2>>>/faggola kingdom/ niggers

Guys I think we are all too excited about this but we need to realise that

This is supposed to be a sticky for beginners to build foundational knowledge

This is not supposed to be some sort of all-inclusive master wikipedia for everything fashion and /fa/ related. I mean seriously do we really need a Rick Owens page with 1 sentence that says "He is popular on /fa/"? Anyone can google "Rick Owens" in a second and find out a shitload of information.

There is too much unnecessary information, let's just keep it clear and concise.

This sounds horrible.
It's like a /fa/ version of Fitocracy, if that wasn't horrible enough as it is.
Advice is retarded, striped button ups are fine, and are slimming for most people. I don't see how a sticky can be so broad to be open to many and yet still be good.
While the current sticky is very mediocre when it comes to suggesting clothing, it does a great job in telling someone that they need taste.
Most infographs on there will make you look like a best buy employee or an exclusive shopper of GAP.
The sticky should be advice, and advice only. Remove the tripfag page, there is really no use for that. I can understand why a name should be left at the end of a review, but a category for tripfags will do nothing but cause epeen infighting.

>>6227455
over the years people have posted things worth reading for newcomers. the old sticky had some good basic explanations of how to get into fashion. but its list of stores and such was getting outdated: Park & Bond doesn't exist anymore, for example.

>>6227438
If you're the admin you're an insufferable cunt 15 year old who is getting to much of a power high.
You haven't been here for more than a year.
>>6227451
This, the /fit/ sticky is great because it is just an article. It doesn't link to what a barbell is, who Rippetoe is, any roids, etc. That is widely available on the web and any unanswered questions or topics that need discussion can be discussed on /fit/.
I've always thought that our sticky right now, and all previous iterations were lacking something, but really I don't think it needs more.
You can't read style, you learn it. You have to learn what looks good and what doesn't. I cringe at a lot of my outfits, but I know why. The WAYWTs are brutally honest (I don't know if they are now, I stopped browsing them quite a while ago) and that's the best criticism a user can get.
The old old sticky on chanarchive is pretty good, and if anything that in addition to the current sticky should be it.

>>6227455

This, only advice and suggestions. Then the person can do whatever they wish with it. Less useless things like infographs and brand descriptions, and more knowledge on fashion as a whole bigger picture.

Also let's be honest, who here actually takes this seriously enough to write "Brand Reviews"? Lol the entire idea of that sounds extremely silly to me, as if /fa/'s opinion on certain brands has any significance. alot of the stuff on there can easily be googled right now, and other forums like sufu sz styleforum already have good foundational threads on what to buy when you start

>>6227468
Okay? And? So a store doesn't exist... Fine? The majority of stores and brands are still here and any new ones can be found with a couple days of browsing /fa/. What things have people posted that's worth reading for newcomers?

>>6227479
I'm not the admin

>You can't read style, you learn it.
that's why the other pages are not connected to the beginner guide section

>>6227479
hes not the admin
hes some random new guy

>>6227479
also,

>to much

lol

>>6227479
>You can't read style, you learn it. You have to learn what looks good and what doesn't. I cringe at a lot of my outfits, but I know why. The WAYWTs are brutally honest (I don't know if they are now, I stopped browsing them quite a while ago) and that's the best criticism a user can get.
i agree

>>6226931
>http://tuxbell.com/fa/majortest/index.php?title=Stores

>so much expensive, ugly shit that doesnt justify the price

Im dissapointed /fa/.

>>6227490
>What things have people posted that's worth reading for newcomers?
the mens basic section has a newfag introduction under work, its decent but way too long and could be more straightforward

>>6227499
>hip$ter

Hipster*

did it ever occur to anyone that having a wiki might help newcomers avoid making threads like

>"what does /fa/ think of (brand)?"

and why does nobody ever understand what I mean when I say that the beginner guide article won't be connected to the other pages about tripfags and brands and stuff

nobody is saying the new sticky should say
"welcome to /fa/. first thing you need to know is what brands we like and who the tripfags are."

the beginner guide will mostly emphasize general philosophy and the need to develop your own style, mostly by reusing some of the old sticky's content

>>6227524
>hip$ter
hip$ster*

>>6227490
>What things have people posted that's worth reading for newcomers?

nothing yet, there are only like a couple of people actually contributing and the whole thing just started. people spend more time whining about what they want other people to do in the threads and less time actually contributing to the wiki.

>>6227520

>justify the price

You must be new, welcome to fashion.

>>6227537
guy here
i'm only doing this so it picks up steam
so boring and i'm shit at it

>"welcome to /fa/. first thing you need to know is this man's name and who the tripfags are."

fixed

>>6227552
also turny/timber didn't want the trip page to be up so i suppose we should remove their entries???

>>6227537
>did it ever occur to anyone that having a wiki might help newcomers avoid making threads like
>>"what does /fa/ think of (brand)?"

eh still useless imo
we dont wanna confuse people
we just wanna let them know what fashion is like and stuff this is 4chan there will always be threads like that

The sticky should be more of a table of contents for relevant articles rather than a wiki.
For example, Red Wing shouldn't get its own page, but boot should. It being considered "dadcore" or "clown-shoes" should not be on the informational portion of the article, if absolutely necessary there could be a comment section for this kind of things, but it's not really written from a neutral point of view.
If the admin of the site is lurking, he should dramatically revamp the site to something more like the current sticky.
Lessen the wiki-feel, make it more like reading a textbook or magazine.
>>6227537
>what does /fa/ think of (brand)?
Having a description for each brand is superfluous, they should be divided into price ranges and that's it. That's all you need to know really, any specifics can be learned by a visit to the company site or a google search.
You also said people have posted worthwhile things, I would like to know what you think worthwhile has been posted on /fa/.
>>6227553
And things like this is why a wiki where everyone can contribute is probably not too great. Ransacking is rampant on wikipedia, which has a team of around 100, I doubt some volunteers from /fa/ can manage it.
And you can't really have an edit approval page, because what if someone edits a page in one part, and someone else leaves that part alone, and edits a completely differ portion? There should be a team or council for the wiki, and choosing who should and shouldn't be on it would be chaos.

>>6227552
I'd be glad to start working on some of the beginner sections tomorrow maybe, I just need to get into a poetic mood. that kind of thing does hit me sometimes. right now I'm dead tired though.

so far my list of accomplishments is just getting started on the "why you should never buy cheap shoes" article and writing the articles for some of the brands I like: red wing, oak street, rancourt, quoddy, and yuketen. also an article on Eastland Boot Company and one tying together the theme of handsewn moccasin shoes.

I also started the Rick Owens article but left it to people who like the brand more to finish.

I wrote up the beginning of the list of brands article and the article on SSENSE

I made the template {{CN}} so people can add a [Citation needed] where necessary

but what I spent most of my time doing was trying to explain to people who have no interest in contributing anything (but who like dictating their opinions to us actual contributors) why it's okay to have a page detailing what interest /fa/ has shown in individual brands

and I'll admit I feel like that time was wasted

wtf is this
http://tuxbell.com/fa/majortest/index.php?title=Tripfags_and_Namefags_that_like_Red_Wing_Shoes

>>6227577
>And things like this is why a wiki where everyone can contribute is probably not too great.
It's always possible to revert to previous edits in the case of raids or other shenanigans. besides, people makes jokes like
>fixed
on this board but that's not the same as tampering with a wiki.

>but it's not really written from a neutral point of view.
I put it under the "subjective" portion of the article. as opposed to the one actually labelled "information". what's the point of making an /fa/ specific wiki if it needs to be objective? fashion isn't objective at all

>>6227585
yeah i tried to do the CN thing but you beat me to it, mine was fucked

i'll do some more shit tomorrow but i rly hope more ppl contrib, if it fizzles out i'll be pissed

wtf is this
http://tuxbell.com/fa/majortest/index.php?title=Why_Shoes_Matter

>>6227600
tbh i figure the site should be more on conceptual stuff like:

Sillouette
Colour theory
Style theory
Trends
Quality
Types of material

cuz thats whats actually useful to know, not surface shit like brands

also i rly don't wanna make all those brand pages myself

>>6227599
every thread, people get mad about the idea of having articles dedicated to listing board members who admire a brand

>>6227602
I made the link to the article but I didn't expect someone would write in it #lmao

Eh doesn't sound perfect but its got potential, go for it.

It has to be better than the current sticky. Right now whenever a newfag goes "I read the sticky and..." They have to be told to ignore the sticky

>>6227608
>also i rly don't wanna make all those brand pages myself
imagine just having made six sizable brand pages and then people saying "the wiki shouldn't have brand pages"

how much would that suck

and yeah it should have those things you listed, I agree. I think that there should be a very carefully put-together "Beginner Guide" section that has those things, among other potentially very helpful pages like a glossary of fashion-related terms. but that doesn't mean the whole wiki should be only a beginner guide, it could have other sections. what would be the harm in that?

>>6227625
i didnt say you should delete them
i'm just said im tired and i'd rather other ppl did them for me

i appreciate the work u put in i was watching don't worry guy

>>6227609
>#lmao
Alright, you've been here for less than year, are a frothing retard, and act like you have authority on a wiki. It also is really apparent that you are new to the internet. Have fun with what will turn into a huge circlekerk.

>>6227628
i rly don't want it to
pls help me
theres like no one editing it now
pls

>>6227628
>Alright, you've been here for less than year, are a frothing retard, and act like you have authority on a wiki
2 x #lmao

edit: make that 3 x #lmao

thanks to whoever is putting time into making the wiki

so far so good

>>6227638
pls stop doing that
i'm tellin u right now being an asshole to anon means you'll go down so fast

>>6227637
pls help lardo-san

why is "avant-garde" labeled as a style
streetwear and menswear can both be avant-garde

>Examples of Brands: Rick Owens, Yohji Yamamoto, Julius, Ann Demeulemeester, Haider Ackermann
>The usual defining features of this style are a monochrome / grayscale color palette
just call it gothninja like everyone else

>>6227640
I think I'm allowed to laugh when people tell me I'm new to the internet and a "frothing retard"

it's not my wiki anyway, so anyone who doesn't like me ought to just hate me, not the wiki

>>6227640
>>6227637

>>6227647
fix it then
call it monochrome _______ <-- someshit
idk do it i don't know that sht

>>6227648
u have to understand that when trips start doing all that #lmao #ethered shit it means they're turning into shitposters

most anons will try to shut them down ccuz they've seen it happen so many times, they don't want more shittrips shitting up /fa/

I know you've been working hard on the wiki though so ty

w/e

>>6227666
hellish trips dud

I took the color wheel from the color wheel page and moved it onto the page itself

and now I'm going to bed

tomorrow I'll work on some fancy stuff for talking down to noobs about how to find their inner style goddesses or whatever

>>6227666
4chan101
>entering the anon psyche.

>>6227693
yo thanks for toning down ur shitposting recently
appreciate it

>>6226767
I laugh every time.

>>6227693

thanks for not trying to hard to be funny recently

gotta say you're almost tolerable now

>>6227714
#lmao
#ether
#talkshitpostfit

this wiki thing is dumb imo
things like this already exist
why do we need to shit the internet up more?
this isnt tumblr.

>>6227736
i know
i'd rather just have
>>6227608
and just link articles on those on those topic in the sticky in a reply so ppl could appreciate better stuff

the fa sticky is good enough for the crossposters imo, that thing fascist wrote is p. much all they need

>>6227608
so much this

>>6227647

Hello, the section was originally called "Gothninja" but I rewrote it with User. I did say that I don't like using the term but don't know what else to call it, and User said that he likes using "Modernist garment design".

Yeah it's a bit iffy. I understand that 'avant garde' means 'before the masses' or something so it refers to unconventional things, but these days it's been used in a certain way that the meaning has changed to describe 'gothninja' - esque things only. Kind of like how 99% of people use "Ironically" and "Literally" wrong.

>>6227782

I'dd say just use gothninja man

like, im p sure that joke started here,, and this IS the effay wiki so I dont see a problem with using the term even half seriously

>>6227765
This
we need to find good, reliable articles or discusson threads on those things maybe from SZ or something and link it, we are limited as "fa"

>>6227785
good to know ppl agree
i'll dump what i have for now, pls post links/ stuff you have

>>6227792
i remember turny liking this last time i posted it so reposting

not rly fashion theory tho its just designers sorted by accessibility

>>6227818
diff one

>>6227823
this one was useful to me once

>>6227827
4 ppl who want to be all 2012 with dipdye

>>6227833
collar stuff
not sure what the name of principle this acts on is

>>6227818
AA should be given more credit than given.
Although definitely priced more than needed, it's not by much, and the quality is worth the price. The benefit of it being Made in The USA is pretty cool too.
They make the only good swimming trunks that I've found.
The fagginess of the CEO doesn't concern me. My only gripe is how shit the customer service is at every store I've been to. The shits there have always been either fucking weird, pretentious douches, or lethargic cunts.

>>6227843
thats all i have
would appreciate links/pics

esp. on silhouette can't find shit on that

>>6227847
its p. much mall-tier though
you can get the same quality for lower at other places
i don't give a shit abou tthe CEO I just think he's loopy

>>6227869
Well you are correct, it is found in a mall sometimes but I think it's decent stuff. The fit is good on nearly everything and the material is pretty good.
I'm curious what you think is of the same quality, yet cheaper, please elaborate.

>>6227847
i really like their 50/50 tees

>>6227891
idk
brooks bros?
idn't ambercrombie marked up
i was under the impression that that wuz their schtick

>>6227900
k after a bit of looking i found this but its for dresses

http://www.glamcheck.com/archive/fashion-tips/clothing-guide/82-dresses-for-women-guide

i suppose it should be enough to tell you though

would like to know how designers work with sillouette and how it influenced things like dropcrotch and shorts+leggings

>>6227900
You think American Apparel is among the ranks of Hollister, A&F, Aero, and AE?
And lol @ Brooks Brothers being similar.

>>6227936
i said idk
if i'm wrong just tell me i'm not a clothes expert
i thought AA was A&F actually

actually could you give some info on the quality cuz most t-shirt stores use AA

>>6227948
>i thought AA was A&F actually

by this i mean i read AA as abercrombie

>>6227948
It's a decent place to get basics.
Yeah you could shell out $50-$100 dollars for some nice LVC white tees, and although I've felt how nice they are, I'd rather spend cash on other things and "settle" for some AA shirts.
I suggest you lurk more and post less until you know what you're talking about.

>>6227963
i just said i misread
i've been here for a while but AA is something I never paid attention to

thanks for the info tho i rly. appreciate it

personally I like w+h i own one of their tees and its nice

dis is good shit son.

delete the tripfag shit already it's completely useless

wat da fug
why oso slow :DDD

yo matt helders never went to that 15 year olds house

btw what the fuck with the personal info man?

>>6228536
if you don't like it delete it
no one has special privileges

Well, at least some of it is true.
You should lock the tripfag section and only let you yourself edit it, OP. Otherwise people are gonna get biased. Don't pay a lot of attention to it till the rest is finished though. Tripfag section is the least important.

>>6228547
fuck off pep

>>6226757
gj op

By the way, I can link to this from young-stalin if you'd want

>>6228547
if there is no way to edit it then he should at least delete the people that dont post anymore otherwise everybody will just talk shit

look at knoch for example I'm pretty sure he doesnt want his tumblr link on there

>>6228706

>implying everybody shouldn't look on knoch's godly features

>>6226757
Is there a limit to external links on an article because i was trying to add some to the women's clothing section but it comes up with an error if you have more than 3.

>>6228741
>implying he's not going to make his blog private if it gets so much attention

>>6226757
So is this actually going to be the new sticky because it needs a lot of work.

I tried to edit the tripfags to add Mike, but i wont let me

>>6229610
Same even if you don't make a change an error pops up.

>>6229708
dude who are you? why are you doing this? i thinks its funny but just wondering why

>>6229708

baahhahahaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>6229610

what did u do when u went to the hous of the girl u met on omegle

Looks great!

>>6230716
he is a mystery
he is enigma itself

he is

BALD-CHAN

>>6229708
fuck

How can you possibly call goofs "anti-consumerist"

That's fuckign ridiculous.

Why isn't denim dan on the trips list?

>>6230853

I don't think you understand what anti consumerism means

>>6230861
Explain it to me then, genius.

>>6230860
thanks dan

>>6230886
I'm serious. Dude had a huge impact on /fa/. He was probably the most important trip for the year of 2012.

>>6230882

Consumerism is purchasing goods in ever greater quantities, the defintion of fast fashion. Brands like MA+ operate on the philosphophy that people should be buying extremely high quality garments in small quantities, as opposed to brands like zara that keep operating costs, and as a consequence, quality very low while consistently pushing new trends.

>>6230897
second.
He also made a ton of quality posts that nobody ever seems to remember.

But your URL sucks. I'm not sending people to tuxbell. Fuck you

>>6230916
ma+ is ugly as shit compared to similar brands

>>6230882
well many of them make conscious efforts to stay away from brands that use unethical production methods and mass production, instead their wardrobes are more minimalist and they save up to buy things that takes great craftsmanship to make

sure in this day and age NOBODY can escape consumerism, but i think theyre anti-consumerism in the fact that they are conscious of it and try to deviate from it instead of being 100% blind like your regular person

>>6230939

Regardless you get the point, ma+ is just an example of a high quality high cost low quantity brand.

should add a section to show tallfags where to shop for clothes that will fit them

>>6230939
ok thank you for your opinion

>>6230916
That's absolute horseshit. Goofs consume just as much as anyone else.

And even if they didn't... you could apply the anti-consumerist label to *anyone* that bought high quality clothes in small quantities -- not just the ones who buy drapey blacks.


Fuck man -- Denim Dan only owns one pair of raws and two shirts. Does that make him anti-consumerist?

>>6230926
His contributions get overshadowed by all that bullshit surround his trip.

Edited basics section a bit, also make the men's basics collapse text its own navbar menu

>>6230897
How? By causing a shitstorm every time he posted? And when it did come to -actual- advice it wasnt anything more than "oh yeah my n&fs are fading really well" or "buy x milsurp jacket it fits nice", which isn't anything remotely trip-worthy. I'm all for posterity, but there are some things better off forgotten. Nobody seems to remember mrpotatohead.jpg and thank god for that.

>>6230975

Exactly, you could apply that to anyone who bought high quality garments in small quantities.

And no its not bullshit, a ton of avant garde brands operate this way.

>>6230986
this. nobody gives a shit about dan and it's best he's forgotten fast

>>6231002
Doesn't matter what the brand is trying to promote if the consumers act the same way they always have. If you think you're escaping consumerism because you're spending more less often, you're lying to yourself.

And if Yohji is just as anti-consumerist as Kiton, then Goof Ninja brands shouldn't be singled out as anti-consumerist in this sticky.

/fa/ is a discussion board and not an advice board

the basics page shouldn't say "you ought to wear these" at all

avant garde is not a style
menswear is not a style

>>6230986
>>6231010
He knew fragrances and menswear and milsurp and heritage stuff and he had a tendency to cut through a lot bullshit.

I wish he would come back.

>>6231057
>He knew fragrances
nope, his guide had only google search information
>menswear
hell no. just because he's 29 doesnt make him a menswear expert
>milsurp and heritage stuff
bullshit

Excuse me but: Fuck off dan.

>>6231032

Doesn't matter what the brand is trying to promote if the consumers act the same way they always have.

Gonna need a citation there pal

Also, yeah, what the brand represents is the bottom line, regardless of how the consumers react, the post in the sticky is about a niche of brands that make clothes, and by extension, their philosophies. It doesn't matter at all if some kid in nyc buys a stack of bbs clothes every month, it doesnt change the brands ideology at all. For each person buying a ccp leather each month, there might be a dude who bought one in 2005 and has been wearing it ever since.

>>6230940
>>6230916
I cannot beleive you people think that spending thousands on designer clothes makes you an anti-consumerist.

You know who was anti-consumerist? Gandhi. And he didn't wear anything at all.

>>6231083
I still don't see why one style of expensive designer brands should be singled out as anti-consumerist when another style of equally expensive designer brands aren't.

I mean fuck man, half of the goof brands out there have diffusion brands offered at cheaper prices so kids can buy more.

Look at the kids here on /fa/. Fucking turnleft cops new DRKSHDW shit every month.

>>6231096

Buying lots cheap clothes supports the exploitation and slavery of people. Buying expensive clothes allows skilled artisans to continue their trade. Its really not that hard.

>>6231111

Dude im not saying other niches of high end clothes are not anti consumerist. Just because avant garde brands often are anti consumerist, doesn't mean nothing else is!

>>6231115
It depends on the expensive clothes, m8.
Would you say $1200 factory-made Louboutins are similar in craftsmanship, effort and work to a $1200 Fine Alpaca Wool Poncho made in Cuzco, Perú by Rosita, who happens to be your average Incan woman?

>>6231154

Sorry instead of expensive, I mean artisan made (which as a result tends to be expensive.)

I think bottom line, this entire 'consumerism / anti consumerism' argument comes down to not the specifics but the fact that

They appreciate craftsmanship and exclusiveness more than your average h&m shopper that buys 5 new outfits every month because it's cheap

why are you guys even arguing the specifics man does it really matter

>>6231115
Do you really think your dick dunks were hand-made by "skilled artisans"?? haha

>>6231169
Because 'avante-garde' was wrongly singled out for anti-consumerism.

>>6231170

Not hand made, but obviously constructed by skilled artisans, yeah.

>>6231174
Lol haha
It wasn't "Wrongly" "Singled out"

just because it's the only section that people have actually put in effort into writing, doesn't mean it's being "singled out", just nobody has written anything for the other styles. And it never said ANYTHING to imply that those people are the only anti-consumerists. but let's be honest, go look at SZ and then go look at sufu or styleforum, are you really gonna tell me that sufu or styleforum place as much importance and discussion on it than sz?

>>6231174

Not wrong. Many avant yards brand have anti consumerist ideology. Do your research.

>>6231169
But chasing exclusivity is a hallmark of consumerism!

It's social and economic class expressed through acquisition! It's the very heart and soul of consumerism!

Contributed to/cleaned up grooming section a bit

Also can you do something about this?

This hurts my sperg a little

>>6231170
rick's shoe production is now handled by an ex-apprentice of paul harnden, in what you might call an artisanal factory, meaning that there is a high degree of skill and a low degree of specialization; each shoe is handled by only a few different cobblers, in contrast to low-skill/high-specialization factories, where each step or a few steps would be handled by one employee and the shoe passed to a new station.

>>6231194
fuck off, nobody wants you nerding up the discussion by going /pol/ on our asses. nobody is fucking looking for the 100% correct political definition of consumerism and shit, the point is that those people place more importance in appreciating garments on a higher level than your regular h&m shopper

>>6231194

Chasing high quality and supporting artisans is a hallmark of anti consumerism.

>>6231214

Twerk haven't seen you for a few days where have you been

I want to get a thrift/second-hand/consignment store guide up as soon as possible.
Should I go ahead and create the entry? I'm not in the US and cannot add any info relating to it.

>>6231217
stay mad, goyim

>>6231190
Dude, styleforum folks will pay 250 dollars for a necktie because it's 7-fold and made of grenadine.

They'll drop 3000 on Edward Greene oxford boots made of shell cordovan.


I'm pretty sure they care just as much about distinguishing themselves from the mass produced masses.


Whatever any of these people think, it's a lie.


Buying things to distinguish yourself from people with less money than you isn't anti-consumerism. It's hardcore consumerism.

>>6231219
bbqing & drinking lots of wine, it's memorial day weekend homie

>>6231237
>Buying things to distinguish yourself from people with less money than you
this is why you're not getting it
u know what lets just stop its pointless

>>6231217
Then stop calling it anti-consumerism. And stop acting like avante garde is special.

Every style in the sticky list considers itself a step above H&M

>>6231246
>this is what amerifats actually believe

>>6231237

>Whatever any of these people think, it's a lie.

As opposed to you, who is sitting there pulling assumptions out of your ass, and creating fictional motivations that you think people have?

>Derailing everywhere
Don't mind me, just editing like a madman.

>>6231251
>Every style in the sticky list considers itself a step above H&M
but it is

>>6231251

Jesus christ its not special you retard, its just a characteristic of those brands.

re: consumerism

simply purchasing things is not consumerist in nature. consumerism is a train of thought and practice independent of what you're actually purchasing. it is possible to consume high fashion in a non-consumerist manner, if you're approaching it from an angle of appreciation and patronage. it is definitely possible to consume high fashion in a consumerist manner; stylezeitgeist, styleforum, et al had plenty of threads revolving entirely around purchasing clothing and they always got more traffic than threads revolving around appreciating fashion.

>>6231284
that mask looks yummy someone should make an edible version

>>6231266
>creating fictional motivations
These were the motivations I was given by other posters here.

"THey care more about quality than those lowly H&M plebes"

Translation: I own better things, therefore I *am* better. I am what I own.


It's class struggle and consumerism. It's no different from Ward Cleaver buying a new Cadillac to show up his neighbours.

>>6231298
>"THey care more
>I own better things,

lol ill let u draw the line and determine why ur post doesnt make sense

>>6231284
Exactly. Which is exactly why no particular brand or style should be labelled as anti-consumerist.

>>6231302

I still am not seeing any evidence that everyone who supports avant garde brands behave in that manner.

Regardless, the consumers activities aren't relevant, we are talking about brands, and their philosophies.

>>6231302
nice distorted rephrasing

>>6231314
its not
do you guys know how to read english?
>A vast majority of "avant garde" brands place a strong priority on being anti-branding, using minimalist logos on the interior of pieces, generally placing priority on the construction, form, and quality of the garment, above the brand that created it.
Many of the people who appreciate this aesthetic share the same appreciation for craftsmanship, modern design, and anti - consumerism.

>vast majority
>many of the people

you guys seriously have inferiority complexes or something

>>6231315
That's not what the sticky article is about.

>A vast majority of "avant garde" brands place a strong priority on being anti-branding, using minimalist logos on the interior of pieces, generally placing priority on the construction, form, and quality of the garment, above the brand that created it. Many of the people who appreciate this aesthetic share the same appreciation for craftsmanship, modern design, and anti - consumerism.
Last sentence. It's talking about the buyers.


And let's be honest. The people who post pictures of themselves on the internet wearing this stuff can't stop talking about the brand. Even if (according to the ethos of the brand) they're no supposed to.

>>6231342

>many

>>6231346
Vague bullshit. Many are. Many aren't. Many doesn't mean anything at all but implies a lot.

Many people, (regardless of the sample group) are anti-consumerist. Many people aren't.

Why make vague statements about the ideology of *some* of the consumers of one particular style, and not others?

>>6231284
fuck off twerk

>>6231373

>Why make vague statements about the ideology of *some* of the consumers of one particular style, and not others?

because its common ideology, it comes up frequently in regards to brands within that niche.

You know, I'm looking at this stuff that people call "techwear" and it doesn't look any different from practical outdoor and athletic stuff that people wear around Vancouver.

>>6231420
That's because it is practical outdoor and athletic stuff, for the most part. It just fits better and has more silly gimmicks.

How about everyone shuts the fuck up and gets to work on the wiki?

>>6231420
>>6231495
Who do people say that vancouver has shitty fashion? Clearly it's a techwear mecca.

Denim Dan should be in the trip section.

>>6231111
i have 1 drkshdw piece

my budgeting allows for me to do this.

>although i sometimes squeeze a bit extra out of other luxuries ;s

Add this:


== DENIM DAN ==
Also known as DANIM DEN. A trip that appeared early in 2012, but is known to have posted fits as anon for some time prior. Conflicting reports place his home as /lit/ or /fit/ or possibly even the basenotes forums. Incompetent in the extreme during his first few months, DENIM DAN improved his style by leaps and bounds as time went by, eventually achieving some measure of competence in the fields of menswear and heritage workwear and dispensing decent advice. Unfortunately, Dan's abrasive personality and huge ego led him to offend/annoy/insult/humiliate uncounted numbers of anons and tripfags, at least some of whom declared obsessive personal vendettas. At his peak, Dan was capable of posting a single fit and derailing WAYWT threads by 200+ posts.

With the discovery of some unflattering shirtless photos (on /fit/) and some embarrassing details of his personal life (from slater's tinychat room) Dan-related shitposting increased tenfold, with Dan-haters and Danfags flooding /fa/ with Danspam (copypasta and shirtless photos) for days at a time. Dan had a number of crackpot theories regarding identity of his anonymous spammer adversaries, none of which have ever been confirmed or supported. In autumn of 2012, attempting to save face from the spam flood, (which he characterized as propaganda and character assassination) Dan resorted to samefaggotry as a counter-measure. When this was exposed, Dan's credibility was severely damaged, and never quite recovered.

Today, the contributions of DENIM DAN or indeed the man himself, are largely overshadowed by the memetic shitstorm of hate, spam, rage and inanity that surrounds him whenever he posts.

As of April 2013, Dan's tripcode is public (##fuark) and is commmonly used for trolling purposes.

>>6226757
Is /fa/cist faggot considered retired? I miss him

>>6232009
Fuck off dan

What about tomorrow, Jalland, Miranda Priestly etc?

>>6232079
fuck you

>>6232079
fuck you they've never been relevant

>>6232125
Miranda Priestly was a big deal.

Can we get a section for shoes put into the stores list so I can dump shoe stores? I feel like they should be separate to the rest.

>>6232125

I remember them, especially Miranda being quite a personality on /fa/. I'm also missing Slater, Facist Faggot, Unpop, Patrick Bateman.

I remember Patrick having very good advice, but you'd probably not know them because it's been quite a while ago.

>>6232147
In the grand scheme of things though they were very visible personalities on the board, they were hardly fashion-related and mostly just in it for the drama. Patrick Bateman def deserves a mention though and so does Hipster Youth, Toucan Sam, etc.

>attempt to make proper /fa/ sticky
>turns into a tripfag wankfest
please cease from using my logo, not really, have a nice day.

>>6232167

Yes, I guess you have a valid point, got a bit carried away there.

>>6232167
why is there even a page on trips

>>6232186
lol u mad it disses the sht outta u?
herbkid

>>6232186
homies arguing that it should be there b/c its such a big part of /fa/ "culture" etc etc and should be there as a primer for new dus to interact w/ trips (which is dum) but what homies dont realize is that its just gonna fuel tripfag egos and make it an attractive proposition to grab a trip and shitpost so they can "make it" and get added to the wiki for that low-hangin e-fame

>>6232203
just make it a tripfag diss page
nothin but dirt

>>6232208
yeah but same principle applies: look at hoes like farrah abraham or amanda bynes that are so thirsty for attention theyll do anything to get it. a tripfag page of any sort facilitates an easy process for /fa/ notoriety and isnt conducive towards increasing the quality of the board

Anyone have the pic of casemods (4chan her) guessed on akinator?

Anyone have the pic of casemods (4chan hero) guessed on akinator?

>>6232234
i bet you go on akinator and do it yourself

>>6232236
>>6232238
lol i tried

>>6232289
>tfw casemods doesnt even know you exist

>>6232289
Akinator keeps resetting as it goes to guess, it even asks ''does your character have a large moustache''.

>>6232315
Admin here. ban removed. I'm leaving the trip page up because it DOES pertain to the board. It's up to you guys to not let it ruin the sticky. If there's a strong enough desire, I can lock it so that no shitposting gets through. However, I'd rather not, because it goes against the point of the wiki.

>>6232548
I didn't mean to reply to >>6232315.

>>6232548
every time I try to edit or add anything I get "forbidden" message. wtf

>>6232593
well shit. I'm in contact with my web host about fixing that. you should only be getting that problem if you're trying to edit a page with a link in it. is that the case?

>>6232605
Yes? Maybe? Attempting to edit the trip page.

>>6232670
The trip page has links (e.g. tumblr), so yeah. That's why you're getting the error. I think I explain it in the Bugs section, but my server host freaks out when it sees a string of characters like "[[http://". Once they see that the page doesn't have malicious intents, they'll remove that stupid rule.

>>6232718
This, i can't do more than 3 external links.

>>6231993
lol

>>6232548
hey, user "guy" here
i thnk tht if a trip doesn't wanna be on the page we should remove them
makes sense 2 me

Nice site. Also, you've got a cute crocodile.

Tripfags
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WHO GOT RID OF ALL THE TRIPFAGS?

WHO CARES!

This whole wiki is shit.

LOL on not copy & pasting back up drafts

some random anon wiping was so predictable
some clever anon blanked the tripfag page
>I have no idea how wikis work
Revisions are saved on the server you massive dolt

>>6234032
lol tabs

>>6234032
good god, man

>>6234032
fucking lol

>>6234032
>Character already played 74 times,

lol

>>6234032
It's only a matter of time before I find Denim Dan.

I added to the women's guide a bit (outerwear) and I will add some later on.

>>6234115
I tried too. It gave up around 70th question

bump

>>6234115
>>6234146
You have to add them it only takes three or four goes.

>>6227102
yes pls that would be very cool and useful

>>6234115
lel i found casey, still no dan

Only took like 70 guesses

>>6226757
WOW THE WOMENS GUIDE SUCKS ASS
i feel obligated to make a better one now. jesus.

>>6236990
How would you change it? I've been asking for suggestions but all i get is it sucks. Also it isn't even close to finished yet.

>>6237006
>women's fashion

men's fashion is true fashion

>>6237035
I don't know what guide you read but there is nothing about Uggs, no blue jeans, and blazers are fine.

Well he got Mathias Lauridsen pretty fast.

Oh my beautiful prince <3

>>6236990
If you think it sucks, then CHANGE IT or make your own.

I uploaded an updated version but it sucks ass, because apparently it's not #nxtlvl enuff.

Plus, the enormous amount of men on this board makes this infographic many times harder to edit. I don't judge or tweak or criticize your infographics blindly purely because I don't know how each and every one of you should dress, nor I know proportions for a male body.

Protip: It's an essentials guide for people who know shit about fashion. Not a buying list, not an absolute truth essay, etc.

http://imgur.com/g4miWSd

>>6237040
blazers are fine but usually it's the fatties that wear them

>>6237114
Thank you! I've been working on this infographic and page for a while and i keep getting all this shit from people who don't know shit about fashion. A lot think that its a qt in some black clothing. But a majority of women aren't cute or skinny or tall and they are gonna look terrible in that sort of clothing. So That's why this guide is here.
I don't go on about how terrible the male fashion section is because i don't know that much about it. So please people if you have some actual advice to give, give it.

damn, im not feeling the font and the aesthetic of this wiki, bruv
needs alot of work
but you got it comin good

maybe change the font to comic sans :DDDDDDDD

Where can i see recent changes made to the wiki by all users

>>6237130
To be fair fat people look terrible in everything. Shouldn't stop actually good looking people from wearing them.

>>6237144
Go to the top right, next to edit click view history.

where to submit guide./infrographic i made for streetwear esque sneakers?

>>6232548
Shitty admin.
/fa/ wiki is retarded, if it were about fashion advice fine, but having a tripfag page is stupid, and you're losing one potential contributor because of this tripe garbage.

>>6237114
sorry girl didnt mean to offend...ill work on it when i have a moment and get back to you

>>6237241
the page has been deleted

I have to admit being described as a marble jawed streetwear-enthusiast is all but unpleasant however i don't think trip (or name) fags are really needed on the wiki.

I'm doubting the use of the wiki itself, and the sticky. Usually a 'Lurk moar' suffices. Most stickies on sites cover a basic grasp of technicalities and kinda expect you to gain some know-how along the way. Maybe you could look into what your goal is: what are the flaws of the sticky and what know-how is required for noobie /fa/ggots.

I'd steer clear from the haircuts, brand reviews or anything which is very subjective or subject to trends.

Good effort though for trying to do something for this board, it's appreciated m8e.

>>6237241
lel. i deleted the trip page hours ago, fuccboi.

>>6237164
make an account, log in, click "upload file" in the toolbox section under the navbar. it'll tell you everything you need to know there

>>6237536
the original goal was just to answer the basic questions like "what's so special about raw demin". I didn't intend for people to make hundreds of pages about everything.

>>6237642
You can look at the problem from at least 3 different angles:

1) The person who comes to this board knowing NOTHING about fashion and posting those "halp me pls" threads, gets redirected to sticky, lose weight, etc. They need clear guides, nothing too over the top. I think the most necessary thing we need is a How to find your Style article that clearly states the rules of finding your own style and not purchasing shit to conform into social standards.

2) The person who lurks /fa/, has a simple understanding of fashion do's and don'ts, knows stuff about popular trends, designers, you call it, tries exploring styles and dresses basic but with a statement. This person is evolving their style, finding new products, color combos, trends, etc. Most people on /fa/ fall in this category, and most of them have just recently taken up fashion as a hobby, which at times shows in their inexperience when dealing with styles that don't suit their own (the mighty Dadcore vs Gothninja war). Might post a fit here and there but it's usually kept simple to avoid being ridiculed for being a tryhard, although sometimes it happens because they simply have poor taste.

3) The experienced fashion hobbyist. Comes in all shapes and sizes, many are tripfags/friends and have been posting for years now. Has a defined style that might be composed of many different substyles, could post fits and honestly critique others' in a helpful (or unhelpful) way. These posters could contribute the most, but of course, they are the least common as the population of /fa/ is constantly changing, and growing younger and younger each year. Knows where and what to buy, purchases with preparation and with a thing in mind.

The wiki must be friendly to all mentioned groups while maintaining readability for very simple topics (for the absolute novices) and interesting advanced topics (high-fashion, dwelling into DIY clothing, rethinking garments, etc.) so that all users can get something out of it.

bump because we all need to work on this thing if it will ever be good

>>6239267
this thread is dead at these hours, sadly.
I'd like to write a couple articles but my schedule is busy (read: lazy) till Friday.

It will never be be good

>>6239321
being cynical isn't nearly as good as being helpful

all you can do is decide whether you'll try to make it better or not

bumptest niggas

>>6239321
fuck off nigger

does somebody want to make a new thread then

>>6239333
I don't want to make a piece of shit slightly better than it is.
Fuck yourself, you clearly have no grasp of board culture.

>>6241916
see
>>6241944

>>6241943
lol