/fa/ - Fashion

>>6129912
seriously, wouldnt these look pretty legit if you replayce the laces with smaller ones and beat them up/ get them dirty

>>6129917
some fake geos are pretty good looking

it's just a matter of whether you have a problem with owning fakes and how afraid you are of people on the internet calling you a fuccboi

i personally don't own any fakes, but i wouldn't consider myself above them

>>6129917
The fake geos have a bigger piece of that fabric on the tongue.

>>6129917
the problem is the more beat they get, the shittier fakes will look

keep it up

Where to cop dreamboxes other than taobao? ioffer or something?

>>6130398
www.ioffer.com/i/rick-owens-stlye-men-s-shoes-533559862

How much are real ones?

Kinda want them just to remind the cocky ass swagfag Philippinos that they're bellow me in status and height.

>>6130575
They are about $1200 I hear they go on sale sometimes for $700 though.

>>6130541
Thanks m8.

>not buying from taobao
shit nigga what are you doing

>>6130644
Too much of a hassle my ching ching is pretty rough. Also agents are complicated as fuck.

>>6129998
is that true ?

>>6130674
Yes, they're 90% cheaper for a reason.

>>6130676
post pics of beat up fakes pls

>>6130698
there is a reason people don't post fit pics with fake geos

>>6130707

those look weird

something about the shape

>>6130710
I wonder why

>>6130698
dont have any of beat up geos and you dont need any to know, judging by the material on the pic though it's pleather and that stuff flakes after long use.

>>6130707
those arent dreamboxes though

>>6130739
still fake

matt has dickboxes and he wants to get rid of them too

if you want the fakes you prolly don't have the wardrobe to rock the real ones

Do the fake Raf Simons look as shitty as the fake Geos

>>6130788
plebs will think they look stupid
the people you're trying to impress will know they are fake and you will lose all your street cred (implying anyone thinks you're cool)

>yfw someone calls you out on ioffer sneaks

That was me.

>>6130707
why cause they can get the correct size?

>>6130831
looks legit

>>6130796
if someone actually can tell they deserve whatever shame they can give them

>>6130831
Can you take a better pic from the side?

bumpu

>>6130841
wha? huh? did i just read that right? people are stupid if they can tell the difference between a fake and an original?

kid, i'm interested in fashion for the details. trying to get away with a shitty knock off isn't the same as wearing the originals. the knowledgeable people will know, and if you don't care what people more knowledgeable about fashion think then why are you on /fa/ if not to shit post?

>>6129998
I could buy 8 pairs of fake Geos with the money it costs to buy real ones.

>>6130744
what wardrobe?

They're just over sized sneakers, nothing hard about pulling them off at all.

>>6131254
a lot of people make them look basic as fuck with their terrible outfits and think geos are somehow going to make them look better

>>6131268
bbbut ricky says that shoes and hair say it all, everything else is forgiveable.

>>6131346
does he really say that?

>>6131642
yeah goole "rick owens rules of style"

ricky drops wisdom

>>6131644
a) rick was bullshitting because it was a stupid interview
b) he said its forgivable as long as you keep it simple

>>6131644
>horrible advice from a manchild who literally wears the same thing every day
>wisdom
High caliber lel

>>6131669

>rank 1 designer

>manchild

damn everyone should aspire to be a manchild if thats the case.

>>6131662
>>6131669
>questioning the undisputed fashion champion of the world

not my fault you're wearing vans rocking a do you copped at supercuts kekmao

>>6131644
>>6131346
rick only says hair is most important because of his frankenface

>>6130541
>www.ioffer.com/i/rick-owens-stlye-men-s-shoes-533559862
How do you know these would ever arrive? I've read some horror stories about seemingly reputable sellers on ioffer.

>>6131720
lmao u srs?

you can't be commenting on anyone's style b

somoene buy mine barely worn size 42 dreambox located uk

>>6131793
Sooooo ya wanna be hardcore.

the rick '10 rules of fashion' thing is satire.

>>6131799
Detailed pics? Serious interest.

Did you get the ioffer ones.

>>6131699
>>6131697
>RickDrones deployed barely 5 minutes after my post
>mfw

UPDATE!!!!!

Black with white swoosh guy here.

They've almost reached me here in California. There in New York ATM. So I'm guessing Wednesday or Thursday they'll be in my hands.

>>6130575
124 - 150 bucks.

>>6131822

rickdrones successfully destroyed ur post

>:)

Guess you don't want to sell them Matt? Hurry the fuck up

>>6131799
>>6131799
>>6131799
>>6131799
Hurry up matt, i don't have all night

>>6131985
what


i cant find the detailed pics i have them somewhere


email me at chilldude372@gmail.com and ill email u the pics when i find them but theyre gr8 condition

>>6131956
wow dude i remember you from the other day :DD mine got here yesterday, took a while but they where delivered from china straight to LA and then to me.

>>6132030
Post pics please!!!!

I want to know if it was worth the risk or if I'll be returning these shoddy bitches later next week.

>>6132196

>>6132601

>>6132605

>>6130541
2 bills for fake shoes is straight wack

>>6132616
was 150 for me B)

>>6132610
lol that tiny zipper

>>6132601
? those look real. just big and loose lacing. interesting

>>6132610

hard to tell in photo, but i bet if you put a real pair next to a fake pair irl you could tell the real one by how the leather feels.

>>6132610
post fit pic so we can see how they look on feet
might cop some myself

>>6132627
yeah I have other leather shoes and right away I could tell the quality of the leather was sub-par.but what do you expect for paying $150~

>>6132635

what kind of zipper does it have?

im just curious how accurate the fake is

Those laces waxed? I saw some guy selling them on eBay recently. Didn't know if I should cop.

>>6132648

also does the sole have this logo?

>>6130541
>Almost $200
>For fake Ricks
Why.

>>6132656
is there anywhere cheaper for the quality? I don't give a shit about authenticity (or for that matter paying 1200 dollars for fucking shoes) but I like the aesthetics.
If I won the lottery I would buy Ricks, but otherwise fuck that noise

rick uses RY zippers doesn't he?

>>6132654
matt said that they don't

>>6132648
and I certainly doubt they have this zipper, because the dreambox ones don't even have the dual crown like the real geo zippers have

>>6132668

theres a new pair on superfuture for 900, hed prob. take 850.

they pop up fairly often, not really a bad price for them new. 750-800 new is ideal.

otherwise get used ones for 500-600 or get fakes. if you just like the design and arent concerned about quality, just buy the fake ones.

>>6132656
>1000
>for shoes that have a stapled sole and fall apart in months

why?

>>6132689
No, at least not currently

>>6132668
stay poor
stay crying

>>6132689

on the older ones, raccagni or w/e. the one i posted, is the one on the newer geos without the staple. my dunks have RY ones though.

>>6132694
whats it like being stuck in 2009?

>>6132697

here

>>6132648
that pic is of the zippers on my (legit) geos

this pic is the zip on my 08 dunks

>>6132713
>tfw dreambox starts using raccagni zippers after one of their designers reads this thread

>>6132722

dude the people who do the knockoffs have several pairs of legit ones so they can make exact replicas, im sure. The reason they dont use those zips is because its extremely cost prohibitive.

when was the last time rick made dunks?

did they have a specific name, like geobasket?

also what would you expect to pay for them?

>>6132737

>when was the last time rick made dunks?

a/w 09 i believe.

>did they have a specific name, like geobasket?

they were always called geobaskets, "dunks" is colloquial

>also what would you expect to pay for them?

retail, like $1200-$1300 same as every other season of geos.

>>6132751
ty. second hand price tho? round 800?

>>6132731
wasnt there like threads on style zeitgeist where people compared fake and real ricks and they found that the fakes were better quality in some ways?

>>6132757
>>6132751

actually, the prices of these (depending on condition of course) is much higher than new geobaskets.

i've seen a pair go for over 2k with a white sole (but a shit ton of wear down on the heel) on ebay. I got 500 for my really beat ugly pair. So high 1000s is average when dealing with them in decent condition. Also the milk/black ones tend to be the most expensive ones.

>>6132763

considering the only differences are the materials, i wonder what the knockoffs use that are better? maybe the plastic of the sole lasts longer or something.

>>6132757

Yeah, a pair went up on sufu for 700+shipping/paypal the other day, idk if theyre sold yet.

>>6132765

yeah youre right, i thought the question was a hypothetical "If dunks were released again what would they cost" and thats what i was answering.

can you post pics of your beat up pair?

>>6130591
mines are 1000 new

>>6132601
>>6132605
>>6132610

how do these run, and what exact link did you buy from?

interested in gray suede ones

>>6132610

The arch along with the zipper are still dead giveaways.

>>6131793
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

>>6132784

ah yea, the arch on the right is much higher.

Black with white swoosh guy here, thanks for the pics.

>>6132601
>>6132605
>>6132610

Hopefully mine are a good copy of the these >>6132737 dunks when I get them. The only thing I'm really concerned about is the sizing with the toe box.

>>6132763
Wow really? Link to thread.

>>6132763

Hahahah, oh god, no.

>>6132774
i sold em a while ago, but i'll look on ebay.

such bullshit, i had a non paying buyer and 2 months later he fuckin leaves me the worst feedback imaginable. tried to talk to ebay about it but they wouldn't do shit smh.

1/2

>>6132798
why does the sole yellow so much? i've never seen another sneaker do that lol.

>>6132792

wow theyre yellow as fuck. thats so weird

>>6132737
These look better than these:
>>6132782

god people are so dumb with this shit

rick is retarded, you're being delusional because you spend too much time on the internet

you're either asian or have no personality if you think wearing this shit is anything other than tryhard and affected

>>6132802
u've never seen sneakers then

that happens to all white rubbers

>>6132808
why are you so mad?

>>6132798
>stapled soles
>paying more than twenty dollars
what the fuck

>>6132808
>opinions stop liking what i dont like etc.

>>6132802
i actually really like that

that gummy look rick sneaks get with wear is so hnnnnng

>>6132737
is a good example, but the really beat up dunks look so retardedly good. did we archive that fantastic rick shoe thread a few weeks back?

>>6132808

no u r being delusional.

>>6132802

yeah the yellow is weird, my dunks are even older (06) and the sole didnt get anywhere near that yellow.

>>6132810
turn orange/yellow? you play baseball in them? lol

>>6132806
Those are two different geobasket designs.

>>6132816
>>6132817
>>6132820
just trying to make you see the light - in a few months/years you will cringe thinking about talking about 1000 dollar moonboots on the internet

i thought they were cool when i first saw them i guess

>>6132820
These look pretty good too.
>>6132824
Yeah I noticed. I think they would look way better if the sole was just a bit thinner.

>>6132831
what do you normally wear everyday as far as footwear goes?

>>6132751
wait rick stopped making geos/"dunks" in 09?
what are all the new models i always see for sale from retail sites then? are these not true to the ones made in 09?

>>6132822
http://www.vintagecomputing.com/index.php/archives/189

>>6132800
>>6132802
the previous owner didn't take care of them very well. Usually older dunks will have slight natural yellowing, but he must have just left them outside or something all the time.

I would say that sole yellowing to the extent of pic related is pretty normal, if anything these are practically new, only with noticeable aging.

just bought these with hopes of resale.

>>6132834
the dunk version of geos, not the one we see more often noe

>>6132834

No, i mean he stopped making the ones with the swoosh in 09, the newer style with the triangle shape afterward.

>>6132833
w+h dayton service boots, nike frees, gats, vans, etc

(real shoes for human people)

>>6132834
different design

stopped having the nike-esque swoosh in '09 and he started putting that upside down V

>>6132838
what size?

>>6132845
or alternatively we could agree that they're all nice shoes and not be retards

>>6132845

lol i hope youre not serious

>>6132838

Nice, were those the ones on yahoo japan?

>>6132840
didnt realize the dunks were from the 80s lol

>>6132842
43

>>6132851

>lol i cant read

ok thanks for your input bro

are geos worth it?
can i use them as an everyday shoe?
do they really smell of vanilla?

>>6132855
yeah, they're fucking minty dude, the sole has almost literally no wear.

they were a pretty penny, just under a stack after fees- but I'm thinking since i've seen resoled ones in good condition go for 2000, these will be a similar case.

>>6132858
find a 41 and ill cop off u

>>6132808
As much as some of you will deny it, this guy has a point.

I wouldn't say Rick's retarded because A) his designs are (in my view, at least) actually aesthetically pleasing and B) after all, he's making a fuccton off all these fuccbois here. But it seems really foolish to pay that much for a pair of shoes. But I've already heard the argument:
>Design is worth as much as you are willing to pay for it.
I won't press the point much further but I really doubt that this principle holds up to much scrutiny once you give it more thought.

>>6132851
well rick is obviously using 80's technology to cut costs so they may as well be

>>6132838
>>6132825
yeah i like the yellowing, i've just never seen a white rubber sole turn a really vivid yellow lol.

>>6132845
seems like you have no experience with higher end footwear? it also seems like you're not in the target demographic for geos

i don't get why people get all up in arms, the price of something, especially designer wear, is usually relative to the individual more so than the cost of production.

insert any analogy concerning luxury products and run of the mill products

>>6132845
Oh god dude you're a moron, just agree to dis agree and move onto with your life.

>>6132864

>I won't press the point much further but I really doubt that this principle holds up to much scrutiny once you give it more thought.

This is something that has been studied for years by marketing people, and its pretty much been concluded, decades ago, that design is worth as much as you are willing to pay for it. There are countless successful products that prove this.

>>6132866

mine actually do smell like vanilla, idk why.

is that a thing?

>>6132806

>>6132883
some watch bands are impregnated with vanilla scent to block perspiration odors so its probably related to that.

>>6132864
>it seems really foolish to pay that much for a pair of shoes.

Designer shoes = designer prices = mark ups out the ass = exclusivity.

Are you fucking stupid or just fucking stupid? Obcourse it's retarded to pay this much, but we don't get to set the prices for these toys we want to play dress up with you nincompoop.

I don't see people bitching about 200 to 300 dollar cell phones that are deemed absolute in function within the next year. I don't see car owners bitching about their gas guslers that take their hard earned dollars like a vending machine and I sure as fuck don't hear people bitching about more well thought out, designed and executed clothing when it comes to the higher end of retail, so please quit bitching about being poor even if you're not. It's irritating.

>>6132885

is this a troll thread or do people really pay $1200 for ugly ass back to the future 2 shoes that cost $20 to make? if this really happens i think audiophiles may have been surpassed as the biggest suckers on the planet.

>>6132977
nike already did back to the future shoes and i think they went for like 3k

>>6132977
Have you enjoyed your visit to /fa/?

>>6132977

no we buy 4 pairs minimum, cant waste time on just 1 pair of dunks.

>>6132977
On a fashion board, bitching about cost.

Man you sure are dumb as fuck. You might as well trip as Twerk it.

>>6133000

hes just poverty stricken, its fine. fashion isnt for everyone.

>>6132878
I'm sure that there's some truth to what you say but let's think about what a successful product is.

I imagine that you mean that it is a product that a lot of people buy; it is *commercially* successful. A lot of people buy it at a certain price. And if people buy it, of course they were *willing* to buy it. They were willing to buy it at a certain price. So if a lot of people are willing to buy some design at a certain price, then you can sell the design at that price.

But the *price* of some design is not the same as its "worth". Money is an imperfect system for capturing true value. Money cannot truly capture the amounts of thought, skill, work, simplicity, complexity, utility, or beauty that go into a design. It is an intermediary currency.

So of course it's true that if I can convince a large number of people that the price for my item is fair, i.e. marketing, they will pay for it. But it doesn't seem that the reverse is true, that their paying for it is what my product is actually worth.

>>6132996
>tfw im richer than u :-3

>>6132989
i'm still making my mind up

>>6132977
>>Paying money for a hobby than get costly.


Gee I wonder why people collect kitchen ware, cd's and vinals, meaningless junk of varieties. hummm must not be related at all to actually liking it and being ok with paying a premium.

>>6133007
Dude shut the fuck up. You're preaching perfection when nothing is perfect you ignorant fuck.

>>6133007
My god you are truly pathetic if you took the time to point out the obvious.

>>6133007
what planet did you hail from bc i dont understand your language?

>>6133007

>worth

yeah but worth is not defined just by materials, labor, etc. Its not something that can be quantified because what something is "worth" varies from person to person. For example, the rarest film poster isnt worth millions of dollars because the printed paper is very expensive paper, theyre worth millions because a few wealthy people all really want that poster. Shoes can be the same way.

>>6133011
all of those people are fools

>>6132913
>we don't get to set the prices for these toys
We might be able to do something about it if some people wised up and started caring about whether or not they were paying what the product was worth. The refusal to purchase would force lower prices. But of course, the inequality of income permits those with more to have a higher price tolerance.

>I don't see people bitching about 200 to 300 dollar cell phones, etc.
But anon, I'd bitch about those things too. But that'd be off-topic.

>>6133008
wtf is going on here?

>>6133043

how about you just dont buy products if you dont think theyre worth the price?

no one is making you buy geos. the people that are buying them dont mind the price.

>>6133008
>not owning any of the 08/09 designs

>>6133049

teddy is a trip here on /fa/, he posted that pic of his geos to piss people off. needless to say, it caused a shitstorm in the thread.

>>6133043
lolololololol. go back to school
i swear people in these threads get dumber by the day. i cant take this anymore.

>>6133056
think he profited only 500-600 for flipping 3 pairs

>>6133070

eh, not bad, i wouldnt mind an extra 500 now and then.

>>6133070
people do that? FLIP SHOES? shoe scouts?
lost&confused

>>6133043
>>GIANT TEXT WALL OF STUPIDITY

Please leave. You are clearly above fashion as a whole, so take your unappreciative ass back to another board to be swallowed by a sea of losers like yourself. At least your peers their will drown you out with their same fag opinions.

>>6133086
stop tripping

>>6133019
>World's not perfect.
>Give up.
Some people live their lives the way they do *because* the world's not perfect. I live my life the way I do *in spite* of that fact.

>>6133030
Apparently, it's not that obvious.

>>6133039
Sorry, sometimes I'm an autist like that. It has its downsides.

>>6133040
>Worth is more than material, labor, etc. It can be in exclusivity/rarity/age.
Maybe. Exclusivity and rarity are weaker points, IMO, because they are extrinsic features. We need to look outside of the object to determine them. For example: your movie poster. If there are no others left, then it's exclusive/rare. But to determine worth, we typically look at the features that *inhere* within the object: intrinsic features.

Looking at *extrinsic* features would be like saying that one apple is better than the other *because* it is bigger. Sure, often it's true that a bigger apple is better. But it's not true *because* one apple is bigger than the other, it's true *because* it's more filling: you will be less hungry once you've eaten the bigger one as compared to having eaten the smaller. It has more utility.

>>6133078
there are ways exponentially more effortless than trying to fly 1200 shoes

theyre on ebay for 900-1100 new now, still then it's not getting too many sales

not everyone likes rick
not everyone can afford it
not everyone WANTS to afford em

>>6133119
why the fuck would someone not want to be able to afford rick shoes

>man i'm sure happy i dont have more money than i do right now feels good mmm

>>6133115

>intrinsic features.

Its pointless to assess an objects value by its "intrinsic features" because thats not the way the world works. Its fun to think about what the value of something is, only looking at the sum of its physical parts, but thats pointless because youre creating a hypothetical that will never exist. Thats not how products work.

>>6133115
what in the name of jesus christ are you blabbing about. hate to repeat myself but you need back in school now

>>6133115
>I live my life the way I do *in spite* of that fact.

No you don't, if you did you would not be bitching about anything especially on a fashion board reserved for vanity's sake you chuckle fuck.

I swear your as dumb as a post.

>>6132977

>>6133119

thats true, but if he wants to flip shoes, im not going to get mad and tell him not to.

i dont really care, all i was saying is that i wouldnt mind making an extra 500 now and then.

>>6133115
It is obvious. Quality varies with pricing. Us normal humans recognize this and are willing to forgive someone as long as it makes us temporarily happy you idiot.

>>6133050
>how about you just dont buy products if you dont think theyre worth the price?
But I don't buy those products.
>the people that are buying them dont mind the price.
They don't but they should. And you might think I'm saying: "STOP BUYING WHAT I DON'T LIKE."
But what I'm actually saying is: "Stop buying what is irrational to buy."

>>6133059
>>6133088
>This guy disagrees with me.
>I had better call him names.
>You don't appreciate fashion.
Actually, if you follow the quotes, I like the aesthetics of geobaskets. I just find the price absurd.

>>6133115
You're not autistic you're just a retard who's trying to be a smart ass.

>>6133137
stop embarassing yourself man

>>6133137

>But what I'm actually saying is: "Stop buying what is irrational to buy

Its rational to buy if you dont mind paying the price to get the shoe. Whats rational to you is exclusive to your life and your current situation.

>>6133137
>I like the aesthetics of geobaskets. I just find the price absurd.

Good you like them, but are to poor to afford them. Thank god you came to your senses. Your mind lesss dribble was really getting old.

Also I hope your here when the next thread for geo's pops around. At least we'll know you're still a dumb fuck acting like a dumb fuck.

>>6133137
omg are you a troll? bc if so youre doing good as fuck....
also im not huge fan of "aesthetics" of rick owens either...as in i wouldnt but them....nonetheless i understand business, product devp, supply&demand, exclusivety, bla bla bla and you just make no sense at.
also...i guess school may be a waste of time for you bc they cant teach common sense

>>6133137
>Stop buying what is irrational to buy."

You're such a hypocrite, please take your stupidity else where, since you think your choices in life are so free thinking and plentiful when it comes to your own decisions.

>>6133115
wtf do you think "worth" means. Supply and demand nigga. Water is "worth" more than caviar, you need it to live. Which one costs more fucktard.

lmao
#lmaaaaaaao
if ya'll cant tell the diff between those fakes that were posted and the irl ricks, fuck it man, go ahead and piss $150 down the toilet
im 2 drunk 2 care 2nite B)

>>6133164
i raise my glass to this.
but also need another drink bc of that guy yapping bout unfair exclusivety

>>6133008
still doesn't change the fact that he has terrible fits and doesn't know how to wear them without looking completely ridiculous

>>6133125
>>6133132
>That's the way it works.
Yeah, I just wish it weren't.

>>6133126
>I don't understand this.
>Therefore you need to go back to school.

>>6133140
>>6133142
>>6133145
>>6133154
>I disagree.
>Better ad hominem.

>>6133144
>It's rational to buy X if you don't mind paying the price to get X.
Let X be a sheet of paper with a pricetage of $1000. There is nothing out of the ordinary about this sheet of paper. In fact, I just pulled it from this reem I have next to me.
It's rational to buy a sheet of paper costing $1000 if I don't mind paying $1000 for that sheet of paper.
Does this seem plausible to you?

>>6133122
meaning the have more than ample funding, but can't clearly justify why they should spend 1000 on designer sneakers. we all have our reasoning. point being, it isn't easy flipping them anymore. teddy took a chance, a poorly calculated risk, with his 4 geobasket investment. large risk, small return. not enough to even cover the cost to keep a personal pair. big lel

>>6133179

hes all right, not great, but not the worst in waywt. i just thought that pic was hilarious though.

>>6133129
im actually saving for my cargos and mohawk sidezips. it would be fun to take a boastful, internet frontin pic like that. but then i remember to keep the autistic tendencies in check

>>6133182
hey WalMart is having an early bird special on shoes tomorrow you better go to bed NOW

>>6133191
i'm pretty sure when anyone on /fa/ is able to get their hands on geos they are officially entitled a trip and whenever someone disagrees with you, just show them a picture of your geos

>>6133182

>Let X be a sheet of paper with a pricetage of $1000. There is nothing out of the ordinary about this sheet of paper. In fact, I just pulled it from this reem I have next to me.
It's rational to buy a sheet of paper costing $1000 if I don't mind paying $1000 for that sheet of paper.
Does this seem plausible to you?

If the retail cost of these specific sheets of paper are $1000, and the only option for that exact sheet of paper is the "$1000" sheet of paper, and you are satisfied with all aspects of the sheet of paper, than yes, it is rational to buy it.

something tells me this guy is a lost cause and should be deemed irrelevant at this point. no common sense 2nd edition

Hey, anyone have some more pics of worn in dreamboxes? also what about that SZ thread comparing the fakes?

>>6133182
>Let X be a sheet of paper with a pricetage of $1000.

And this is were you really are cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Really it's sad to see you continue posting regardless if your having a laugh or not.

Especially when people get your point, but clearly do not care. It's not like anyone is trying to argue with you, but they're just sick of seeing walls of text with ideal hypothetical situations where everything is equal case in point your delusional examples towards our imperfect trading system with good and services.

>>6133212
I'll post mine nect wed or thursday. There in New Jersey now, but gotta wait till Monday when shipping resumes again.

>>6133199
Before I try to respond, I want to point out that your new statement different from mine in relevant ways.

>the only option for that exact sheet of paper is the "$1000" sheet of paper
>the only option
>exclusivity
I addressed this earlier here:
>>6133115
But to expand, isn't everything exclusive? Isn't everything unique?

Let's grant your example. Sheet of paper A is $1000 and sheet of paper B is $00.01. Aside from being two different pieces of paper, they share all the same qualities: you can do the same exact things with them. They have all the same characteristics without being the same exact sheet of paper; they are unique yet extremely similar.

You're telling me that it is still rational to purchase A when the only aspect of B that you don't like is that B is not A?

>>6133250

>But to expand, isn't everything exclusive? Isn't everything unique?

no

>You're telling me that it is still rational to purchase A when the only aspect of B that you don't like is that B is not A?

In your new hypothetical, no, its irrational. But that hypothetical doesnt apply to shoes at all so i dont see why youre bringing it up. There are very clear differences between geobaskets, and say, allen edmonds wingtips.

>>6133250
I'd also like to take this time to remind you all that the ride never ends.

>>6133250

and also by

>the only option

I was assuming that the $1000 sneaker was a metaphor for the geobaskets

not necessarily a comment on their exclusivity, more on the fact that the design is unique, and unlike all other "sheets of paper"

>>6133276

sorry **the $1000 paper not sneaker.

>>6133261
fashion is a concept that embraces not only the business/productiion/consumption but also the ART/crafts of fashion. to simplify4u
fashion = ART
youd rather buy a poster than the real deal piece of work....fine go ahead...but dont judge those who appreciate mccoys

>>6133250
Jesus Christ. What's the point in buying any kind of artistic design, why buy a Picasso when you can buy a replica a kid made for art class?

Why buy a Rolls Royce when you can get a $1000 dollar car, it still drives you around right?

What's the point in buying a fucking house when you can survive in a tiny cardbox box apartment?

Your analogy is stupid, are you talking about Rick replicas? Because if the two sheets of paper are exactly same, it's not an apt comparison between two pairs of shoes. Simply because they serve the same intrinsic function doesn't mean they have equal value.

>>6133280

i know, its a retarded discussion and im durnk and sleepy :**((((

im just trying to explain how these products are valued.

its hard to get my point across.

>>6133293
you gotta be careful w the drunk discussions w these guys..i dont even think half of them speak fluent english/know whats going on they jus yank your chain for the hell of it...(speaking from experience)

>>6133261
>Not all things are unique.
Let's find two things that seem identical then. Let's keep using paper. Sheet A is one sheet in a ream. Is there any other sheet in the ream that *is* sheet A? Is there any other sheet *anywhere* that is sheet A?

>>6133261
>Doesn't apply to shoes. There are very clear differences between geobaskets, and say, allen edmonds wingtips.
Yes, relevant differences. But in both the sheets of paper example and this geobasket thread, there seem to be negligible differences. Imagine that the fake design and the real design were swapped: the real ones are the ones with the lower triangle, vice versa, etc. Everyone would be crawling for those ones because those would be the legitimate ones and those would be the ones selling at the designer price.

>>6133282
>Picasso v. replica from art class.
Relevant difference: historical significance.
>Rolls Royce v. $1000 dollar car.
Are the only differences between them negligible? If so, $1000 car it is.
>House v. cardboard box.
Relevant differences: quality, comfort, can't have guests over, etc.
>Simply because they serve the same intrinsic function doesn't mean they have equal value.
Granted, but I'm talking about more than function.

I'm pretty sure I've covered just about everything by now. If you still think I'm ignorant or wrong, I invite you to read. Thanks for the mental exercise.

>>6133342
In case anyone's interest, I have a bigger version of this that includes the part where the dad turns around. I can't upload it anywhere because it's 12.9mb+. Anyone know a place?

>>6133342

>Let's find two things that seem identical then. Let's keep using paper. Sheet A is one sheet in a ream. Is there any other sheet in the ream that *is* sheet A? Is there any other sheet *anywhere* that is sheet A?

no but that doesnt pertain to anything.

>Yes, relevant differences. But in both the sheets of paper example and this geobasket thread, there seem to be negligible differences. Imagine that the fake design and the real design were swapped: the real ones are the ones with the lower triangle, vice versa, etc. Everyone would be crawling for those ones because those would be the legitimate ones and those would be the ones selling at the designer price.

Yeah but the only reason the fake ones exist is because the real design was successful. For all intents and purposes, its a unique design. Just because another factory in china makes copies of it doesnt change the fact that the original was a unique product with a specific value.

>Are the only differences between them negligible? If so, $1000 car it is.

youre completely twisting the argument, of course the differences between a rolls royce and a 1000$ car are not negligible.

also, read this thread, its very informative, and basically answers and refutes all the points youve made, even more thoroughly than i have.

http://www.reddit.com/r/malefashionadvice/comments/1e25y8/hey_why_are_expensive_clothes_so_expensive/

>>6133342
>historical significance
So the fact that it's a creative piece of work doesn't register? Only how old something is? What about some of Rick's first shoe designs then? Would you berate me for buy them? What about a piece from an artist whose first show was this year?

>negligible differences
Entirely subjective, what's a negligible difference? What if you think it merely looks better? What if it feels better?

>quality, comfort
What if my expensive designer shoes feel more comfortable and enjoyable to me than a cheap pair? What if I find the quality to vastly outmatch cheaper shoes?

>talking more about function
It appears as if you're not, because you can't seem to recognize the value of artistic design. People buy ridiculously expensive bits of paper every day in art.

>>6133428
>So the fact that it's a creative piece of work doesn't register? Only how old something is?
Discussed here:>>6133007
>Money cannot truly capture the amounts of thought, skill, work, simplicity, complexity, utility, or beauty that go into a design
Though I may have missed some things.
>What about some of Rick's first shoe designs then? Would you berate me for buying them?
Depends on lots of factors already mentioned. I could even introduce a moral element.
>What about a piece from an artist whose first show was this year?
Depends on lots of factors already mentioned.
>What if I find the quality to vastly outmatch cheaper shoes?
Then they are worth more.
>People buy ridiculously expensive bits of paper every day in art.
Yes, but those grades of paper vary in quality and are thus worth more.

>>6133471
>Yes, but those grades of paper vary in quality and are thus worth more.
Yes, but those designs of shoes vary in quality and are thus worth more.

>>6133483
Obviously better shoes are worth more than inferior ones, but that doesn't mean you should buy them at the price at which they've been priced.

>>6133497

whether you "should" or not is entirely personal.

why ppl make such a shitstorm about these shoes every thread


even on a min wage job u could prob cop some real ones in about 3-4 weeks of saving

>>6133501
>moral relativism/subjectivism
This is a common thing to believe within the demographic that browses this website but if you talk to a lot of the people who have spent their entire lives thinking about this, i.e. philosophers, many of them think it's BS for lots of different reasons.

>>6133512

thats fine, ill keep believing it until i have a reason not to. its working fine for now.

>>6133538
>be walking on train track
>friend points out that there's a train coming from up ahead but it's out of sight for now
>i'll keep walking on this train track
>it's working fine for now

>>6133555

thats a little hyperbolic, ive met plenty of people who are moral relativists and have never been "hit by trains" so to speak.

im not going to die because i think that some people value a pair of shoes more highly than others.

>>6133563
>be walking on train track
>friend points out that there's a train 1 mile ahead but it's out of sight for now
>keep an eye out for that train, ready to jump off if i see it at any moment
>hmm, no train for 1 mile, guess he was wrong
>good thing i kept an eye out
Keep an eye out.

>im not going to die because i think that some people value a pair of shoes more highly than others.
No, you won't. Someone else might, but chances are you won't care:
http://www.utilitarian.net/singer/by/1972----.htm

>>6133592

>http://www.utilitarian.net/singer/by/1972----.htm

reading this right now, and i am keeping an eye out, i always consider different ideas about thinking things. all i was saying was that i didnt have a reason not to believe what i do.

>>6133198
teddysface.jpg

>>6133592
>http://www.utilitarian.net/singer/by/1972----.htm

just finished reading this, and wow great read by the way. and youre right, i wont care, im far to happy with my own luxuries, and the way i spend my time. And youre also right that someone else might. But thats a risk im willing to take.

>>6133653
Thanks for giving it a shot. You've proved yourself at least willing to listen.

>>6133555
What possible ills could befall me for buying expensive footwear within my means?

>>6133685
Sorry, just read your other comments. Is there any real moral justification for spending tonnes of money on anything, when it could have been spent in attempting to better individuals less well off than I?

While helping people at an individual level is extremely respectable and selfless, it's often futile and doesn't address the larger overarching problem (e.g. poverty). It's not to be expected that humans will suddenly have the moment of blinding realization that leads them to suddenly channel their collective wealth towards the betterment of the entire species, either.

What most people don't realize, however, is that, contrary to popular instilled belief, not only are the ones that completely change the systems surrounding the problem generally more well known, they are more helpful in the 'big picture'. We can see this most evidently in the sciences. In contrast, if we look at the world of economics and business, we merely see a select few individuals of higher status and wealth putting their money towards sectors that aren't as fortunate, through charity. Of course, there are many volunteers and such that do a similar thing on a more personal and individual level. But I know only quite few that have attempted to provide changes to the societal system that allows people to make decisions that are entirely selfish and at the same time counter productive to the welfare of humans as a species.

Affecting individuals is a very difficult and personally rewarding task, but it's a mere drop in the ever flowing river. Altering the river's flow is, of course, much more demanding. Ultimately, though, it is the most effective way of commanding a large group towards the 'greater good'.

>>6133736
I agree with this post

I would never really want to live a normal life and go to "charity galas" or something to fill my charity quota or some shit

But then if you think about it that way any resource you have should be dedicated to w/e ur doing so the 1k would be better spent on something else unless you had enough wealth that the effect of whatever luxury you buy would increase ur efficiency of goal-achievement. Ex nicer paper, a secretary, a housemaid, personal gym, etc.

just my 2c

what is the cheapest fake dick ovens I can purchase?

>>6133736
I think that at the same time, you have to realize that most do not have the means to even attempt to dent the problems humanity faces. The vast majority of humanity is at the whim of the hyperwealthy class of individuals. So how do you change the group mentality of these people if you aren't on their level? But perhaps, if the ordinary majority previously mentioned put even a small percentage of what they earn each year towards the problems afflicting us, even then change could be brought about.

So maybe it's not just about change at the higher level, but change at the lower ones as well.

>>6133751
about 75 bucks:
http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.1.kZcX0A&id=18282427172

except they only ship in China

Why don't you just save up for the real ones?

>>6133792
some people have plenty of cash to buy the real ones, they simply don't feel that the price is worth it to them. However, they like the style enough and don't care that they are fakes where they would buy it at the lower priced, lesser quality fake. Make sense?

>>6133797

But if they buy fakes, it just means that they don't like the style that much.

>>6133937
i come back and it's fucking windy in here
enough weather talk and just
buy
my geobaskets already

is the "all black white" geobasket colour the all black one? Moon runes 2 confusing

these look p sweet

>>6134031
I've been thinking about getting the gray suede ones.

They looker dapper as fuck.

Geos are the Beats by Dr Dre of fashion.

>>6134414

except plebs can afford real beats.
plebs cant afford real geos.

>>6134427
yet you still see thousands of beats fakes out there.

>>6134431

capite censi as fuck.
even the plebs would be disgusted if they knew.

Pleb here

What are some legit ioffer sellers of dreambox ro's?

>>6134414
>Geos are the Beats by Dr Dre of fashion.

Seriously you sound dumb as fuck.

>>Implying /fa/'s taste in footwear appeals to everyone outside /fa/. Please do us all a favor and kill yourself from spreading your stupid around. I feel sorry for the people who know you.

>>6134414
except geos are actually not a scam

>>6131793
#rekt

>>6131793
>this summer
>in a world
>where Micheal Cera is a

THIS GUYS FACE MAKES ME WANT TO HIT HIM

why do would anyone buy them for 200$ ?
I can get the dunks for 100$ shipped worldwide and the geos for around 120$ shipped.

>>6134697
I think that depends on the person and their tastes/preferences. Some people might see them as a scam.
Unlike Beets by Dr Pepper which are just objectively shit.

anyone got pics of the fake dunks ? post them please

>>6135323
i think the fake dunks look pretty legit

>>6135367
shit those do look pretty good

>>6135367
where to cop?

>>6134367
wow i was looking at the gray suede ones too

please don't say dapper i don't want to be associated with you i'm already buying fakes and i can't afford to be even more of a faggot

>>6135323
here's a pic of my fake dunks.

the tongues are lopsided and bent, and the soles had sticky shit on them.

they probably won't age as well as the real ones either. I'll never figure out if they do because I don't wear them.

>>6135644
why did you buy them if you're not going to wear them?

>>6135655
because I thought they might be nice.

they just feel weird to wear. don't like em.

wish i had put that money towards real ones instead.

>>6135682
w2c? theres a million different ones on ioffer

>>6135644
size ? i might be interested

>>6135644
dude, they look great. Just wear them when the weather isn't nice or when you have to do some activity where they will get worn. That way they will get all beat up.

>>6135644
they do look legit. rip off the zipper and beat them up.

>>6134031
>>6134367
I was comparing the suede ones to the real online. The fakes just don't have the same color, for the grey at least, I wasn't able to find real brown pics. Also, the quality difference seems more apparent. But, maybe the will age better? Not sure.

>>6135956
What seller did you cop?

>>6135963
that pic was from a for sale ad on SF

>>6135644
can you post a photo of the soles ?

>>6136019
I'm not that guy but here is a pic of what look like similar fakes from that SF ad.

>>6136031
And this

>>6136031
>>6136042
how do you know these are fakes apart from the zipper ?

>>6136068

The materials look like shit, subpar construction, the sole.

>>6136090
whats wrong with the sole ?

>>6136031
y would anyone want shoes that are stapled together?

>>6136068
leather
sole
stitching
proportions
color

>>6136102
you realize the real ones are also

>>6136102

because they like how it looks

>>6136109
yeah I do, wouldnt that shit come apart easy?

>>6136068
Because those shoes came out like 4 years ago and aren't beat to shit.

And lol yeah right that other guy who commented can tell about the leather quality from a tiny photo

>>6136100

its a completely different shade of off white than the original shoes

>>6136124

There's enough detail in that photo to discern that the leather (pleather?) is shit. Just take a look at all that creasing.

>>6136140

The shape is off as well.

>>6136143
my raf simons velcros also have that creasing :/

>>6136160

yea velcros get creasing after awhile

>>6136180
lol its pretty obvious who ever owned those did the distressing on purpose

fucking poser

>>6136160
u got fakes

>>6136185
looks cool to me.

>>6136188
dude i bought them from ssense-.-

>>6136185
>distressing 600$ shoes
>poser

>>6131793
that picture really isnt that embarrassing, i dont know why everyone posts it. hes trying something new with the fit and it doesn't quite work, and with that lil b post, he is being an average white teenager.

>>6136206
you turned your trip off

>>6136188
all leather creases retard

just found these

http://www.ioffer.com/i/2013-rick-owens-high-top-men-s-shoes-sneakers-jeans%E2%80%8F-532656542

>>6136984
>sawtooth sole

>>6132737
Are there fakes that look like these?
I don't really like the other design.

>>6137371
yes, but in my experience the fakes I have seen for this design (the dunks) are typically less well executed. granted I've only seen the stock photos on shit like ioffer, but I would imagine it'd be a decent indicator.

>>6137371
Yes there are fake dunks but the black white ones look fake as fuck

found this place, i would order fakes from this place instead of ioffer, i do think they also have AnnD fakes and diet butcher slim fakes.

http://www.indie-designs.com/catalog/item/8579407/9773796.htm

http://www.indie-designs.com/catalog/item/8579407/9773786.htm

>>6140199
http://www.indie-designs.com/catalog/item/8579407/9792010.htm

the diet butcher slim ones

>>6140199
>>6140232
too expensive, just get em from taobao
the dbss look nothing like the real ones

Lol geos are for faggots come on /fa/ your better then that. Please you spend that much on shoes that look like clown dicks and then you walk around in your wee gay boy gothninja shit. Crawl out of the dick oven and be realistic you look like faggots lol so sad. Look if you really wanna look like a cloth crusader ninja faggot than get some sweet nikes and wear em with some fit sweats and a nice T you'll look relaxed yet maintain a respectable look and not like your role playing as a jap lol. Take it from me I am getting a degree in fashion and Rick is a laughingstock in our community. The guys a real nigger lol. Wake up /fa/ your really disappointing me lately.

>>6140365
>Take it from me I am getting a degree in fashion
implying you know more about fashion just because you are getting a degree.
get off your high horse faggot

>>6140378
you seem mad friend

>>6140365
>>6140382

0/10

>>6140365
>I am getting a degree in fashion
But you aren't

It's surprising how no one is able to take a decent picture of the fake rick owens.

>>6140412
yeah i would love to see a fit with the fake dunks