/fa/ - Fashion

facial hair is just meant to cover up flaws tbh to be honest

thats why all the 10/10 modelfu fuck boys are clean as a toddler

>>6118863
Look at the actor that plays rollo on vikings

>>6118875
>tbh to be honest
Don't listen to him, do what you want op. I grew a beard because I hated shaving, not because I've got flaws

>>6118875
he'd look like shit without the stache

It usually works because the dark patches of hair look like cheekbone shadows thus appearing to sculpt the face

>>6118875
wtf no
how can u see their cheekbones if there's facial hair

>>6118894
i'm just sayin i'm being straighter than straight with you

your subconcious knows i'm spittin truth

>>6118875
>tbh to be honest
Post Voided

>>6118917
nigga thats what im sayin

if u got it, flaunt it

if you don't, cover it up with facial hair

>>6118875
facial hair is supposed to accentuate the jawline you tard
if you dont have one facial hair wont help you at all

>>6118923
gotcha

I wish, if I don't shave every morning and often a second time in the evening I turn into a hideous creature str8 from the gutter

>shave daily
>get into safety razors and shit
>three days pass where I can't be bothered with it
>gf says I look too intimidating
>shave it off
>gf says bring it back
>a few weeks later, gouge out a chunk of my stubble with an electric razor
>clean shave
>gf tells me I look baby-faced
>tfw I don't have anybody's opinion besides my gf's to listen to
>tfw it's a valid opinion because women statistically prefer men with facial hair even if they say they don't

I got used to clean shaving when my facial hair was patchy, but now that it's filled out, I maintain about a two days growth most of the time. The electric razor is much faster to shave with even if less satisfying than a full-blow safety razor routine is.

>>6118917
How low are your cheekbones that facial hair would cover them up?

>confirmed for no cheekbones

>>6118952
was talking about models u banana eating BITCH

(read his post wrong)

>>6118863
yeah i also look a lot better with some kind of facial hair, not really because my face is fucked up but i just like the look of it, makes me feel more idk like comfortable, also another bonus is that shaving is a bitch and i hate it so much

>>6118863
>facial hair thread
cool.

>>6118962
>6118962

It's amazing how perfectly a simple well-trimmed moustache can improve a face.

>>6118863
I'd say most men and certainly almost every actor will look better with facial hair. You appear more "manly" and sophisticated with a well maintained facial hair. You will look like a damn gentleman. GROW FACIAL HAIR.

>>6119057
do the world a favor and shave, please please shave, you look like a ''papito'' rofl

>>6119057
wtf do you have a denim dan folder

>>6119058
its on monkey cunt

>>6119083
Really? I think it makes me look dashing. Like Errol Flynn, or Clark Gable.

Sure. Shaved everything today, I look ridiculous. At least will grow back soon, and thin beard is the hottest beard.

>>6119057

Hey look it's my parent's couch from the 80s.

>>6118952
> because women statistically prefer men with facial hair even if they say they don't

i'm really tempted to believe this

>>6119057
lookin good dan

>>6119134
just a heads up that guy is a camwhore and dyes his beard

plus its Photoshopped

>>6119057
> Bronson mode engaged
> ah shit, abort abort abort!

>>6119146
heads up he's afghani

newfag trip confirmed for shit

Isn't Ryan Gosling's stubble the only reason we care about him now?

I guess he got fit, too.

>>6119123
That's where dan hides his semi-concious gloria/

>>6119144
thanks dan

>>6119144
thanks dan

>>6119134
Do you want me to track down the study I read it in?

>>6119163
>>6119164
no worries dan

>>6119081
It's a sign of dominance. Stubble to short facial hair is all around more attractive, but a full-blown beard is shaman, wise-leader-tier.

>>6119167
i appreciate that dan

>>6119163
don't mention it dan

>>6119146
he's also wearing colored contact lenses

>>6119146
thanks for the heads up, good thing i know that now

>>6119174
Hell yea I do

I look good with stubble, and I know I would look good as fuck with a full beard, but my stache doesn't connect to the rest of it. I hate it. I'm only 18 though so I think it should fill in. It sucks because I'm blonde and I want to go full vikingmode, but now all I can do is have stubble and sideburns

>>6119177
ROFL

>>6119204
pic is my goal beard.

One day

>tfw cant grow a real beard

top lel 9000 hours in paint!

>>6119191
"The effects of facial hair manipulation on female perceptions of attractiveness, masculinity, and dominance in male faces" Nick Neave, Kerry Shields.

"Abstract

The aim of this study was to examine the effects of systematic alterations in male facial hair on female perceptions. A within-subjects design employed one condition (facial hair) incorporating five levels (clean-shaven, light stubble, heavy stubble, light beard and full beard). All levels were applied to three different facial designs, constructed using FACES software. The resulting 15 male faces were rated by 60 females on various attributes. Male faces displaying a full beard were considered the most masculine, aggressive, socially mature, and older. Males with a light beard were considered the most dominant. Males with light stubble were considered to be the most attractive, light stubble was also preferred for both short- and long-term relationships. These findings are discussed in terms of age preferences and good-genes models."

This one's free and references the Neave paper:

http://beheco.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/01/12/beheco.arr214.full

>>6119297

Fuck, cant grow beard. Im fucked.

>>6119057

You look like Dick Masterson. Look him up.

>>6119297
yeah i read about that as well, but i've had facial hair since i was like 13, only girls over like 19/20 like facial hair, which sucks when you're 15 with full stubble and girls want a clean shaven baby face goopergoo

>>6119277
mirin hair, no poo?

i look best with light beard or stubble, but i look okay clean shaven or full bearded

for most guys, light/moderate facial hair is the most attractive option

>>6119376

nah, after blow drying that shit up use surf head and ruin it/control it to the direction you want, shit's dope and its like 7 dollars

but now I have short crop hair lol

Some celebs do.

I look best clean shaven or light stubble.

>>6119387

I guess shaping it also helps btw

>>6119169
Amen to that. Well said mate! Dominance was exactly the word I was looking for.

> tfw no perfect stubble

>>6119297
confirmed leddit user

I find all kinds of facial hair attractive but full beard, 10 day stubble and goatee are my personal favorite.
It's crazy how facial hair can make a man look so much more handsome...subconscious biological attractiveness kicks in whenever I see a man sporting nice facial hair.

source:im a grrrrl

>>6120869
lol u have shit taste if like prefer goatee over full beard

goatee is pretty much the worst thing you can do to yourself

>>6121122
goatee is pretty awesome when pulled off

i guess i'm thinking of van dyke goatee

goatees that don't connect > goatees that connect

>>6121122
i'd consider this a goatee

what about slightly more eccentric facial hair?

>>6121941

you'd probably look better without facial hair.

I know nothing about beards bit is mine worth keeping(normally trimmed but havent shaved like in a month)

>>6121941
>>6122035
What the fuck..? These are the people that post on /fa/?? Hahahaahahhahaha holy shit.

>>6122035
woah that's what you're rocking after a month? your hair must grow at glacial speed.

>>6122042
this is my first day on /fa/ i'm trying to improve myself
>>6122043
not all the beard just the neck part of it(the neckbeard?)

>>6122042

post and show your mighty awesomeness plzk, you will be sure to amaze.

>>6121941
U luk lyk art

>>6122042
serious? top guys hair is pretty nice.

>>6122068
don't know if horrific or terrific...

My dad is the kind of dude who leaves home in the morning with a clean shave and comes back in the evening looking all gruff. The few times he's allowed his facial hair to grow, it's always looked cool as fuck. I could have had that. But instead I inherited the shitty facial hair genes from my mother's side, so it comes in all weak and the mustache doesn't connect to the chin stuff.

It's like, God, come on. I went to Catholic school for 14 years. Can't you help a dude out?

>>6122101
The one positive is that I look young as fuck. I'm in my late 20s yet lots of people think I'm still in high school.

>>6122101
but then it's like wait god isn't real

>tfw 19 and can't grow a beard
>tfw my started getting his beard when he was 13

wtf genes......

>>6118863
Almost everyone looks better with a little facial hair.

>>6122144
Same here except 23…

Apparently I look really fem w/o facial hair and real masculine w/ it.

I'm shaving this weekend though since I feel like going #smooth.

I've got a lot more attention w/ a beard though and it's defs been fun but it can definitely also be intimidating.

I definitely think people look a lot less vulnerable when they have long hair and wild facial hair.

>>6122196
Definitely?

>>6122144
>>6122176
>tfw ktf at 20

one day we will grow a bead and it will be amazing

>>6122215
>Definitely

>>6120868
Not really. Biotech research has just made me accustomed to looking up the source of shit that I can't take at face value. It's a simple thing to look up "facial hair attractiveness" through my university's library subscriptions.

beard man look nice and doesnt afraid of anything 5/5 breddy good

>>6120869
10 day stubble would be approaching full beard for me.

>>6121941
You look like my stylist, and he's pretty edgy with his hair cutting degree.

>>6122101
How old are you? Your facial hair doesn't fully develop until you're well into your 20s; maybe not even until your 30s.

I'm 22 and my mustache connected to my beard just in the last six months.

>>6122360
There a things you can scientifically quantify and there are definitely things you can't.

I think 'attractiveness' is one of those things.

>>6119057
Mexicancore. Please grow out the mustache further like>>6119147.

Bronsoncore could really work for you.

>>6122391

attractiveness is most certainly a subjective quality... there are however, certain components of attractiveness that tend to be more commonly recognized as such.

>>6122375
fooled ya. i am your stylist john.

>>6122400
no there isn't

>more commonly=/=certainty

it's all based in subject and situation

>>6122407
need an example then? blue eyes; commonly sought after, with the caveat that obviously there are exceptions to every rule. this is coming from someone who doesn't exactly find blue eyes to be the most attractive... most people i personally know do though.

>>6122035
My beard is like that after two weeks. It's fucking ridiculous.

>>6122425
I don't give a fuck about blue eyes
most people I know don't really care about blue eyes.

okay this is dumb i think you're being autistic, just reflect on the idea that popularity of a trait does not always correlate to superiority or 'attractiveness'. Also that...what you may think to be popular in whereever you live is not the case in other parts of the world.

>>6122433
is it that short?

>>6122425
the only context this example would even be close to relevant in is an anglocentric one n that in itself invalidates yr whole argument

laughingwodaabe.jpg

>>6122439
that cognitive dissonance. keep crying bitch nigga.

>>6122439

haha, you are too busy going around in circles for the sake of arguing to realize that you have agreed with me. attractiveness is subjective. popularity of a trait does indeed equate to attractiveness in the eyes of all of those who deem said trait to be coveted!

>>6122452
you probs never lived in asia then bro, people love them blue eyes there, for instance.

>>6122453
>>6122454
see >>6122452

>>6122452
monkey's first seat at a keyboard?

>>6122454
with this said, if a majority of people polled agreed upon traits to call attractive, then the numbers can't be argued against. proof therein lies with the numbers that certain features can be considered more attractive.

>>6122453
the only conflict I had was whether it was worth enforcing my ideas to someone over the internet on a lame ass subject like quantifying attractivity or some shit.

I do think the idea of a universal sort of dogma for attractivity is interesting but I don't think it is plausable so it's not really worth any effort. Even if it was proven to be true the product would make me very sad.

this thread dun goofed and went full retard

>>6122471
8/10 u trold m gud

>>6122461
but """"" asia """"" doesnt exist in a vacuum of western influence. there is no intrinsic aesthetic value in blue eyes, white skin, blonde hair, etc. what you are basing your argument on is the ideological foundation built 4 u thru the concentrated efforts of imperialism

>>6122471
sampling bias

>>6122494

sampling bias or not, majority rules. you can say "well we'll never have a large enough sampling pool to have empirical evidence to show what's true in every instance", but any smart person knows that there is a point when it just makes sense to state something as "more than likely" evident. the only people standing on the outside are the super edgy who just have to have something opposing to say in any given instance.

>>6122526
You're still in high school.

"more than likely" is why people brushed off fundamental transcription processing enzymes, subunits and proteins as 'junk DNA' for decades.

>>6122494

your picture perfectly represents the idea that beauty is selectively subjective. to tribes in africa (and to smaller extent in other parts of the world) the woman holding the magazine is seen as beautiful. i would argue that the majority of the people on earth would not find her appearance as a whole to be attractive. i'm sure you will just as easily state that there is no way that i could know this =p

>>6122537

wrong (about high school). your rebuttal to "more than likely" works in the instance you gave, but has fuck-all to do with the topic at hand. go to a sperm bank and ask which traits are the most commonly asked for from a donor. just because the result will you hurt your feelings, doesn't make it any less true.

>>6122550
sperm banks don't exist in most parts of the world.

>>6122550
The point I made w/ the junk DNA shit was to discedit your scientific background.

More than likely doesn't mean shit.

>>6122594
we aren't talking scientific here... we are talking entirely subjective. this would be statistics. statistically there will be a winner for attractiveness... end of story. as much as you hate it, there will be. but this is not at all to say that someone, somewhere, when the moon is the right shape and the stars all align, will find some ugly person to be attractive. someone will... it's just not as likely as someone finding brad pitt attractive.

>>6122618
>we aren't talking scientific here
>this would be statistics
>

>>6122618
are you this guy?
>>6122360

Regardless, how can you hope to quantify attractiveness w/o the application of sicentific technique?

you know it doesn't mean shit if someone has blue eyes right? In most cases they're typically recessive genes. If winning in attractivity means the do's gets fucked by a china man and their baby has brown eyes 10/10 blue eyes r suprior.

>>6122494
Then nearly the entire world is anglo centric and there's no point to this conversation

>>6122640
congrats u figured it out

>>6122634

not the same person. do you prefer the look of a circumcised penis to that of an uncircumcised penis? do you prefer the look of large outer labia to nearly absent visible outer labia? i realize these things are completely and utterly subjective... but if it were possible to poll the whole world on the subject, there would almost certainly be a winner. The best we can do is find out what we are working with in our areas... it's not as if any of this even matters. it's strictly superficial and for the hell of talking about it. i guess people who feel bad about how they look and their luck in the dating game would do well to utilize the "local sex appeal" and move to where their look is most appreciated.

>>6118910

look! it's little ron weasley all growed up!

>>6122665
i red the first question about circumcised penis and felt weird

tfw dont want to disclose penis status ;_;

>>6122650
but then if all humans are bound in an anglo centric worldview, and in an anglo centric worldview blue eyes are more attractive, then blue eyes are more attractive to any person on Earth, which is really all that matters in the discussion.

>>6121169
This is kinda how my beard grows in. Not as filled in as this, but pretty close. Only 19, so hopefully it'll fill in just a bit more to achieve actual full beard status. Damn Asian genes.

>>6122042
wtf man, get out

Do Chinese/ Koreans grow facial hair?

This is what I'm rocking at the moment.

>>6122101
>godly moustaches on both sides of my family
>19 years old and barely even have stubble

I just want a fucking moustache.

I always feel dirty when I don't shave in the morning, but today I couldn't be arsed since I'm only sitting inside doing coursework. Should I shave tomorrow? I kinda think my skin looks more oily, but I have caught a bit of a tan too.

I always feel dirty when I don't shave in the morning, but I could be arsed today cause I'm only gonna be in my room doing work, should I shave tomorrow?
I kinda think my skin looks more oily, but I did get a tan so it may be that.

>>6119057
Either shave or kill yourself

im ugly with facial hair and ugly without

its a lose lose situation for me but ive learnt to deal with it, my face will be decaying soon anyway

>>6119057
disgusting

>>6119147
This aint Action Bronson

What can I do to improve my mustache?

>>6123881
Fucking shave it wtf I bet you describe yourself as "chivalrous" and "classy"
Please die

>>6119057
you look like paul scheer

>>6123881
looks good man

just wear junya watanabe from head to toe and you'll be fine

>>6123895

Thats not the answer to my fucking question asshole.

>>6123907
You can improve it by shaving it, fuccboi

>>6123907
don't listen to anyone who uses the words "fuckboi" or "Dadcore"

just go full Junya

>>6123937

I'm trying to grow it thicker like that ginger, yeah.

How should I care for my mustache btw?

>>6123811
Grow it out fuccboi. You kinda look like Zayne from 1D and he looks pretty fucking cool w/ facial hair.

>>6123948
>>6123948
Just rinse it with cold water. Buy a tiny comb and comb it. Get some wax if you feel like it, but I can't really get into wax.

Also, the ginger's name is Francois Verkerk.

>>6123966

Howly fuck, pic related is exactly how I want my moustache. But I had no fucking clue this guy was ginger!
WTF!

>>6124012

*Pic related.

>>6123937
this shit ugly

>>6124015
>>6124012
He's going full Nietzsche mode in that pic

there is nothing sexier than a man with scruff

>>6122391
yeah nah you're just a babyface loser

>>6123881

what the fuck you pizza face

Guys with weaker facial structures do look manlier and their looks can greatly benefit by accentuating with facial hair. Guys with already appealing structure and looks can do what they want.

1/2

2/2

Better clean shaven, no contest.

>>6119146

>Plus it's photoshopped

Gee - no way! You mean unlike all the professional pictures linked on this board?

Not that guy. Am a camwhore though. Who likes photoshop.

>>6123811
i can imagine you looking so much cooler with facial hair

>>6124912
>>6124906
i agree but you have to take into account that that's not a very complimenting beard

>>6124954
post pics

>>6124912
>>6124906
his face is properly lit in one picture and not in the other, he probably looks better irl with the beard.

>>6122196
>fem
>w/o
>w/
>#smooth
>w/
>defs

seriously

>>6125012
smiled

>>6125012

i dont get your post? u just quoted pieces of writing??

>>6125012
soz brom ;(

>>6123431
Korean here, but only half. My white half side of the family grows beards like crazy so I can, too, at a degree. The full bred Asians have more difficult time to do so.

>>6121941
Ruining great aesthetics permanently with those stretch, wonderful, what was the point?

>>6125584
Japanese bearded men can look amazing when it comes to asian beards, think of Hiroki Nakamura.
You're lucky to have the most attractive mix in the world.

>>6126631
they are hardly permanent... i've had them for close to 10 years now. at their largest they were 1 1/2 inches. currently they are 3/4 inches. i stopped downsizing there because i still like them. it's another place to accessorize.

>>6126758
not all half asians look as cool as you think
most of the time theyre just pale white people

>>6121941
youforgotyourfedora/10

>>6127124
someone sounds jelly

>>6126631

i have gauged ears as well. they have been a great way to bridge gaps and blur lines with people. you'd be surprised how much of a communication tool they've become. i wouldn't say they are pointless. the world would be so much better if people didn't pander so negatively based on preference. it's easy to just say "that's not for me." and leave it at that.

>>6127197
dude holy shit why are you on a fashion board.

sure glad i'm scandinavian and don't rly have to worry about facial hair at all B)

how do u guys deal with having to obsess over yet another facet of your appearance?

>>6127202
omg! someone who doesn't get obsessed with putting other people's ideals down?!?! gasp!!! crucify him!

>>6122379
I'm 25.

>>6127232
vikings had some bamf beards. what are you trying to imply?

>>6127572

Part of the reason that Vikings valued beards so much is because it is difficult for Scandinavians to grow them. The few that could grow really great beards were seen as better warriors, more manly, etc. Wouldn't really mean anything if everyone could grow one.

>>6123881

>>6118875
>>6118875
>>6118875

This. If you look worse without facial hair then you ain't got dat jawline.

You're probably uglier than you think. Enough said.

>>6122035
I'm 18; I haven't shaved since monday and I got more than that.
Step up fuccboi.

>>6122035
thats fucking filthy

>>6127124

are you comparing this guy to that guy? they look like a completely different species...

>>6118875
>>6127953
It's actually because models have excellent skin. Excellent skin is a lot more common in men who cannot grow any facial hair, this correlates with much smaller pores, and much less dark pores due to weak sebum production because there is no hair to nurture.
This isn't even broscience.

It's very hard to find a man that can grow facial hair without the noticeable sebum filled holes on their noses, it's just not genetically feasible.

That's not to say you two aren't right about them not really having flaws.

>>6128225
my skin is excellent and i have to shave every 3-4 days or it looks hobo tier

where's your science now?

>>6122035
shave like indicated in this shoop... then let that area grow.

>>6128315
dont do this

>>6128346
yeah, this guy is right. definitely keep it the way you have it. it looks amazing!

>>6123881

you should honestly consider growing the beard more, so it will balance out your wide forehead.
otherwise it looks quite nice, might be better if it was slightly bigger.

>>6128315
you got pubes on ur face

>>6128315
FIRE

BURN IT ALL

>>6128225
>tfw when 3-day beard in a 30-hour span or so
>tfw nose is actually a sebum filled swiss cheese

>>6123881
Shave it off

>>6128315
what about THIS part

>>6128733
JESUS GOD
FUCK
NO


STOP POSTING THINGS LIKE THAT

I tried going clean-shaven a year ago. Suddenly my chin and jawline were ludicrous parodies of "weak". I got used to it after a while, of course, but I do look far better with a beard (though I don't go full al-Qaida mod any more).

>>6128755
that's me man and i just want to improve myself

>>6128733
keep it... but the key to dealing with sparse/weird facial hair is to make sure that you take care to remove all of the strays and keep where you do have enough growth from going out of control with regular trims.

>>6128733
where did the moustache go?

>>6128775
stop posting your mug on fa m8

>>6119297
Thank you, i feel way better now.

>>6128817
thank you very much ill post results later
>>6128824
thats another picture i just wanted to ask about that part of the beard

>>6122391
Attractiveness is quantifiable. It's a statistical value based on biological criteria that have existed for thousands of years. It's not easily quantifiable, but you can get a good approximation of the truth if not 100% of the truth. It's just an animal behavior.

If you have a sample of 1,000 women out of which 900 say facial hair is attractive, there may be a correlation which should be investigated further.

>>6122407
So induction is unscientific, Mr. Popper? I can see where you're coming from, but I disagree that a matter of probability and statistics doesn't count as knowledge, when common reality points to the existence of trends that define "attractiveness" and are supported by empirical data that very strongly suggest correlations.

I look like shit with my 3 week beard, but I'm growing it until fall to see if I can XsantaXcoreX

>>6128883
This is why you don't have a girlfriend.

>>6128898

are you assuming he/she doesn't have a boy/girlfriend? the argument looks solid.

>>6128898
I'm engaged.

The scientific method is not the end all of science, and your posts were more fun to reply to than anything else on /fa/ right now.

>>6128908
Yes.

>>6128910
I feel bad for your fiance. Congrats anyway.

because I think you're ernest in your response I'll try reply sincerely.

Attractiveness is not quantifable on the basis that traits which may have existed for thousands of years in one region have not had the same impression in another.

On that basis it is difficult to quantify universally attractive traits simply due to this inherent variability.

Even if you were to collect 100s of years of data from many selected populations I'm sure the only similarity would be that they have healthy functional organs.

Read timber's posts, she makes a good point.

Although humans are animals our social mannerisms are so intricate no simple algorithm or bar graph can analyse and simulate the activity and response as something as complex as the human mind.

Induction is not unscientific rather in a biological sense it's a cool way to go forward but it doesn't really mean shit. (ref example of junk DNA, maybe even consider astrocytes and glia and those developments).

I think it's hard to argue what is considered knowledge and what isn't but I can definitely argue credibility. I don't thin something is credible in biology if it is a poorly researched induction.

I think you also have to consider the sources of this 'data' and what makes it strong.

>Refer to timbers and her anglocentric argument.

It's an interesting issue but I don't think this will lead anywhere.

>>6128935
>I feel bad for your fiance. Congrats anyway.

She would make a much better "human as animal" argument than I can.

>Attractiveness is not quantifable on the basis that traits which may have existed for thousands of years in one region have not had the same impression in another. On that basis it is difficult to quantify universally attractive traits simply due to this inherent variability

The majority of our evolution took place in Africa and the highest variation exists within Africa. Outside, it's really not that great. Individuals have their super special preferences and fetishes, but whole populations tend to agree on what's attractive across a gradient (which used to follow a migration pattern). It doesn't matter what specific features you may prefer in a partner. The overall picture of attractiveness is consistent as fuck.

>young
>clear eyes
>defined jaw (how can you define your jaw even more? beard)
>muscular
>clear skin
>healthy head of hair
>symmetry
>breasts
>ass

All of them are markers of potential reproductive value. That doesn't ever change. No significant portion of any population prefers asymmetrical, wrinkly, old fucks or even anyone that deviates from the norm.

>Although humans are animals our social mannerisms are so intricate no simple algorithm or bar graph can analyse and simulate the activity and response as something as complex as the human mind.

No, our behavior is not that hard to interpret. Everything comes down to sex and social standing. I may have more complex thoughts than my cat, but our reasons for doing the things we do is the same.

Behavior research has been going on for a long ass time. Sexual psychology, evolution and statistical analyses have been coming together to get a pretty good picture of what "attractiveness" actually is. If we define credibility as a conclusion that withstands numerous trials and attempts to disprove it, many of the hypotheses do.

But whatever. This shit's getting too philosophical.

>>6129017
maybe the greatest physical variation but artistically and intellectually?

Different regions of the world are credited to different leaps of thinking.

I don't think we should be talking about physical evolution in nomadic african tribes millions of years ago if we're talking about attractivity and its perception today.

Yes it has contributed. But is it a significant contribution to discuss in the realms of modern day lust? No.

Young is a sign of health, people are inclined to be attracted to it but there also many socities where elders are lusted after too...Many nomadic tribes in africa are a example of this.

clear eyes. No, you only perceive it as attractive because of your experiences.
Show it to a secluded community and they'll spit and laugh at you.

Defined jaw. No.

Okay this is stupid. These are not universal attractiveness you dense fuck. Go read Timber's argument in this thread and realise what it means to only perceive things from a anglocentric perspective. Unless someone told you it's cool to have a defined jaw you wouldn't care otherwise. You're simply a product of your environment. Does that mean your truth is the absolute truth? No. Does it matter? No.

Yes behaviour is hard to interpret that's why fucking 99% of the activity of the brain remains a mystery.

No your reasons are not the same as your cat. Your hat has not been exposed to centuries of convoluted ass western mannerisms. If your cat wants to take a shit it will take a shit and licks its ass after.
If youw ant tot ake a shit you'll squeeze your anal sphincters as you pull your legs together and waddle towards the bathroom making sure no fecal matter drips down your leg and onto your dirt infested carpet, unbuckle undo the mechanisms holding your pants up, take your fedoa off, remove your jacket and then place your ass on a bowel which costs more than what you eat out of
and THEN you begin shitting and finish up by rubbing your ass w/ tree fibre composites.

>>6129046
>your hat shits
cat obv.

>>6129017
Seriously, how out of touch with reality are you?
There are fetishes for different shit all over the world. There is no absolute.
>Hyperventilating
>heart failure inc.

>>6129046
You're very ideological.

>Young is a sign of health, people are inclined to be attracted to it but there also many socities where elders are lusted after too

Elders have power. Power is masculine. Masculinity is achieved through enough androgen output. Androgens cause facial hair, greater muscle mass, lower voices and greater height. Never in any society in all of our evolutionary history have any of those traits been statistically unfavored. It makes no sense to prefer anything else as those are the only reliable indicators of reproductive health.

>clear eyes. No, you only perceive it as attractive because of your experiences. Show it to a secluded community and they'll spit and laugh at you.

Yes, I can totally see cataracts as being attractive.

>check out dat du wit dem cloudy eyes
>omgah did u see him stumble into dat pole?
>have my babies u sickly dude

>Defined jaw. No.

Please explain why. It's a sign that androgenic hormones are functioning in a male and that equals reproductive health.

>anglocentric perspective

Not relevant. I'm talking humans as a species. I don't care about outliers. I don't care about complex interactions on a small scale in this argument. The overall picture is all that matters.

>Unless someone told you it's cool to have a defined jaw you wouldn't care otherwise.

I don't care, but females definitely do. DEFINED JAW = TESTOSTERONE just like every other secondary sexual characteristic that identifies you as your gender.

>>6129061
They're not statistically significant. You're talking about this from too personal a perspective which has its merits, but ON AVERAGE across the ENTIRETY of Homo sapiens, there are common traits that are signposts of sexual health and fitness.

Your argument has little basis beyond anecdotal evidence and personal discourse between a very limited number of people. Consider browsing actual studies from time to time or maybe take a few classes on evolution, psychology and statistics.

>>6129133
you're not willing to compromise and are sticking to your superiority dogma.

enjoy living a life of ignorance.

yes x may indicate x and it may not.

you're also reformatting the fucking argument with every reply.

>Not relevant. I'm talking humans as a species. I don't care about outliers. I don't care about complex interactions on a small scale in this argument. The overall picture is all that matters.
Best example of your autism.

don't care, but females definitely do. DEFINED JAW = TESTOSTERONE just like every other secondary sexual characteristic that identifies you as your gender.
This too

>>6129133
you're not willing to compromise and are sticking to your superiority dogma.

enjoy living a life of ignorance.

yes x may indicate x and it may not.

you're also reformatting the fucking argument with every reply.

>Not relevant. I'm talking humans as a species. I don't care about outliers. I don't care about complex interactions on a small scale in this argument. The overall picture is all that matters.
Best example of your autism.

>don't care, but females definitely do. DEFINED JAW = TESTOSTERONE just like every other secondary sexual characteristic that identifies you as your gender.
This too

Fuck I'll just green text everything you say B)
talkn n absolutes n sht...gb2redit

>>6129133
And really the real travesty isn't your mindset or your wives mindset.

it's that people like you will grow up and tell your kids to do x and y because it's objectively better than y and z because the average person says this and thereby this is what you believe and will instill.

wtf is going on in this thread?

>>6129172
autism


atusitm severywhehrhehre

>>6129172
autism

autismee brwyehrreeverywhee

>>6129147
>lel autism XD
I'm aware of the wide range of preferences and how diverse humans can be, but I disagree strongly that there isn't a basic groundwork of preferences within a species. We aren't special snowflakes that are separated from basic biological principles.

Your argument was that "attractiveness" can't be quantified because some dude likes wrinkly tits and no asses in [non-anglo country]. My argument maintains that it can, because most men prefer functional tits and large hips. I can't believe you're disagreeing with this. It's basic fucking biology.

Sort of related: The most interesting theory I've heard for why ties are stereotypically male is that they are visually similar to beards (and they're phallic as hell, of course). The road ain't long from a Pharaoh's beard to a tie, to pick the most obvious example.

>>6129186
THERE IS ONE

BUT ITS SO FUCKING FUNDAMENTAL ITS NOT EVEN WORTH CONSIDERING

NO ONE CAN COMMENT ON IT W/O BIAS THOUGH AND EVEN THEN ITS ALL SUBJECTIVE

PEOPLE IN MEXICO DONT CARE ABOUT HOW BIG YOUR CHIN IS BECAUSE THEY SPEND ALL DAY DODGING DEATH THEY COULDNT GIVE ANY FUCKS ABOUT HOW MUCH TESTOSTERONE YOU HAVE

Attractiveness can't be quantified.

Humans are special snowflakes

name another species that has such intricate social mannerisms and discusses trivial shit like attractivity over the internet w/ complete autists on a forum dedicated to masturbating to child porn.

Thinking in absolutes is fucking 11th grade biology.

you aren;t aware of shit.

Since you're so fond of studies go find me one that says MOST MEN yes, one composed of 1.7billion men prefer functional tits and large hips.

>>6129155
You're taking this argument too personally and assuming things about me as a person.

I'm not an objective person. I'm subjective and filled with all the sugary sweet loveliness of the world. I keep pets that are biological automatons and anthropomorphize the shit out of them. I'm in an interracial relationship and have my own weird set of preferences.

Fuck your assumptions about me and how I'll raise my children. Even if I'm aware of the proposed reasons behind why we do things, I don't act that way.

>>6129219
no your not.

>>6129209
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_attractiveness

Instead of dumping studies for you, just click the links there. You won't, but this is getting nowhere. You have no idea what point I'm trying to make.

>>6129237
>Wiki source
So the study for your point doesn't exist?

So there is no reliable empirical data for your shit?

Cool, thanks.

>>6129246
Christ, do you see the little numbers superscripted at the end of sentences? Click them. They often lead to "scientific studies."

Here, empirical data galore (protip: a higher number of citations means that a paper is usually pretty good):

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=human+attractiveness&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C3

You're worse than a creationist. Aren't you studying science? What are you going to do when you need to reduce variables but have an urge to introduce a shitload to keep it from dealing in absolutes?

>blond hair

That pretty much eliminates any form of stubble for me. And my beard mostly just grow at the neck/chin.

You beardies got it good.

I fucking ruined my beard this morning during a trim. Shaved it down to a moustache and goatee.

>>6129255
The subject group is not 1.7billion.

Your claims to most don't mean shit.

Your claims to average don't mean anything.

Thank you.

>>6129264
No study ever done in any field has had an all-encompassing sample group. Past a certain point, increasing the sample size becomes insignificant.

You have no idea what research actually is and what inferences mean in its context. Good luck. You seemed alright in another thread, but now... goddamn, man. Dissonant as fuck.

>>6129285
your mindset makes me sad.

you just read through all my points and didn't heed anything and continued pushing your regime.

somehow you had the audacity to think that your opinion was absolute and that there is no space for variables.

you are the kind of scientist that produce errors and deem intricate processes as 'insignificant outliers'.

>>6129264
>The subject group is not 1.7billion.
Right. It would be stupid to say that most humans have two arms, because we haven't tested most humans, right? Besides, I know a guy with one arm! You can say that the average human has two arms all you like, but it don't mean nothing unless you test errybody!

>>6129304
You can look at the development of an embryo and derive limb buds.

you can't look at an embryo and derive attractiveness.

>tfw almost 21 & still using an electric razor

it just wont grow beyond bad teenage facial hair

>>6129313
>You can look at the development of an embryo
>an embryo
That's not enough for an average, you silly goose. That particular embryo has limb buds, sure, but how can you tell that it's "normal"? Show me a study that has checked at least half of all embryos born in the past 20 years!

(This is satire, by the way. I am exaggerating your ridiculous misunderstanding of how facts are arrived at. I'm expecting a comedy award any moment.)

>>6129335
the thing is studies identifying limb bud growth of embryos is well understood and pretty well studied and has concrete biological theory and not skewed w/ experience and perspective

while your attractiveness shit however is based in pseudoscience, cat litter and my tangled pubes.

>>6129303
I really like you right now.

There are most certainly physical traits that transcend culture adjustments when it comes to attractiveness. I am in no way claiming that the people arguing against quantifiable attractiveness are ugly themselves but, it's very easy to gain the perspective that beauty can be calculated when you've walked through life with the features that others desire.

>>6130874
>i have lost an argument
>it ok cause everyone else UGLY

>>6128304
Sorry bro, you probably have a pussy beard. It looks hobo because you can't grow a real one.

And there was no science to begin with. You're a faggot.

>>6130880
luckily for those who are sexily challenged, there are other non-physical traits and abilities that are huge turn ons!

>>6119351
I'm calling bs. I've had facial hair from the same age and all the girlfriends throughout high school that I had loved my facial hair. Plus I'd say they were all at least 7/10s, so maybe that's just at where you're from.

>>6128225
>sebum filled holes on their noses,

I have a manly full beard and this is true. Fuck.

>>6128225
I hate muh pores.

>>6131166
I also have a fairly shitty jawline, having a beard helps 100%.

>>6128225
>that feel when shit acne-ridden skin and no facial hair
why

>>6131185
I'm sorry anon. I said "a lot more common" but I know some of us still suffer.

I highly recommend accutane or some other generic, it changed my life.

>>6131229
I see a derm, she gives me a benzoyl peroxide gel, some other cream sort of thing and an antibiotic pill. the acne's not that bad, it's just that there are a lot of little red marks and shit

>>6128315
Like this?

>>6131626
Look man, you'll look better clean shaven. You just don't have the type of facial hair/genetics to pull it off.

>>6131626
That's not where that guy suggested you shave. you got a full on neck beard now.

>>6119057
Your eyes are too far apart. Nose is definitely crooked. The shape of your face is not aesthetically pleasing at all. You look like a 3/10 with make up in this photo. I don't even want to imagine what you look like without make up. I actually just threw up in my mouth, just thinking about it. Your head is too big (although that may be, because of your giraffe neck posture) . As for your hair, lol. Seriously, do something. You look like a horse. Stare at your face for more than 5 seconds, and you will see how ugly you are. The eyes which are too far apart is what ruins /damages an already ugly face even further. Unfortunately for you, that can't be surgically fixed, lol. You arms are way too long. lol at how they hang by your sides. Kind of reminds me of lurch. Don't even let me start on your pale complexion. It only works if you look hot. Unfortunately, you do not look hot. Its hard to sum up a creature like you in one word. 'UGLY ' would be unfair , since it doesn't reflect how repulsive you look. GROTESQUE is stretching it. But somewhere in between, is where you would be, on the scale of an average man. I'm sorry if my words seem a little harsh. Just so you know, I sugar coated this post as much as possible.

almost everyone looks good with facial hair tbh

>>6119057
You look nice, you should work out (:

>>6131626

looks like you took a bit too much off of the chin and where'd the moustache go?

don't listen too much to the people saying negative things about you with facial hair. if you really want to give it a shot, you need to give your growth about 2-3 months to fill in all the patchy areas. if you like the way you look with facial hair then that is what mostly matters.

>>6131831
But it's all on the chin


>>6132191
I shaved it
I don't like mustaches
And ill grow it more
Thanks

>>6119057
oralle guey

>>6118952
>shave daily
Doing it wrong.

That's what my dad taught me. Dad says alot of things. I've since learned I make everyone happy by shaving every 4-5 days, trimming around 5th day and onwards for as long as I want, then shaving whenever I do some routine to clean my face/skin and use the bathroom for awhile.

>>6119153

>tfw you see a more attractive version of you
>tfw you will never quite make the mark