/fa/ - Fashion

All of these are fashion outlet tier and almost worn exclusively by people who don't know any better or poor people who blow their welfare checks on them as to appear somewhat classy because of the strong aryans featured in their advertisement campaigns.

So none.

>>5923989
I've heard good things about rrl rbl and rlp, and prl has some nice items too. Ralph Lauren is such a massive brand that to boil it down to "fashion outlet tier" it incredibly simplifying it.

Tommy Hilfiger and CK are pretty much shit though

Calvin Klein only if its Calvin Klein collection
RL if its RRL, purple label or black label

>>5924006
Still, Ralph is deeply embedded into blazer+tshirt frat culture and associated with stupid ass people, lurk more OP

Ralph Lauren is just so far away from being remotely relevant in the world of fashion that just nobody cares anymore.

Designs might be ok, dunno, but nobody gives a shit anymore

>>5924038
>Ralph Lauren is just so far away from being remotely relevant in the world of fashion that just nobody cares anymore.
lol tell that to new york

>>5923980
H&M

>>5924044
>NY
definitely lurk more

>>5923989
show us how you look champ

>>5924038
You clearly do not know anything about fashion

>>5923989

What the fuck? Ralph Lauren is outlet tier?

I'm not too into the other two, but you have no idea what you're talking about.

>>5924072
>>5924063
>>5924056
Go away

hilfiger hasn't been relevant in fashion for at least 15 years now, it's just been clinging around in outlets and discount stores. CK collection is alright but still meh. RRL RLB and RLP are pretty good IMO, I just don't like the other diffusion lines by RL like polo, ralph, etc etc

>>5924006

This post sums it up. Hilfiger and CK aren't relevant and are generally not very good.

Ralph Lauren is massive, and the lapels RRL, RLP, Black Label, and Purple Label, are all great.

Ralph really doesn't deserve to be lumped in with those other two.

If you can afford the premium RL brands you can afford a real tailor, therefore all three brands are shit.

>>5924110
anyone can afford a tailor for anything >$50
do you mean you can afford bespoke

>>5924119
Indeed. I'm not a native English speaker and here people doing alterations are not tailors, only people actually making garments..

>>5924110

It's not at all as simple as that. Why the fuck do I keep coming here?

>>5924098

>If it isn't goofninja, go away

>>5924110
>not knowing who manufactures ralph lauren suits
top lel

>>5924159

/fa/ doesn't know how to give real advice. the concept of having a jacket altered is a mind blowing revelation to these people and they like to pretend they're all rich as fuck with their one thrifted designer shirt and polyester suit from H&M

>>5924167
>>5924159

Doesn't matter. It's still RTW.

>>5924172
You can go away if you use the term gothninja unironically tho

>>5924173
Alterations can never make RTW as good as a proper bespoke options. There are some things that can't be altered at all (e.g jacket armholes)

>>5924177
wow, i cannot believe you are this stupid

>>5924165

This. Alterations don't take a lot of skill. Making bespoke garments from scratch does. Also,

>>5924167

This.

None but if I had to pick Calvin Klein

>>5924190
Thats why you buy jackets with raised arm holes...

>>5924177
If you can find an OTR suit you like that fits really well in the shoulders and is of perfect length, I'd recommend you buy that instead of getting a MTM or bespoke suit. Unless you've had suits done for you before, the OTR, with some minor changes, will fit far better and save you a lot of money.

Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know very much about suits.

>>5924173

You're absolutely right. I don't mean that sarcastically.

>>5924177

No. It isn't RTW at all. Just...fucking....read a little bit. Just a little. It's made to measure.

>>5924167
Turkish and Tunisian sweatshops instead of the Asian ones used by lesser brands? I'll grant you that the cloth itself is usually milled in Europe though.

For this kind of price you might has well have the suit crafted by an actual tailor with an Italian/British cloth.

RL is generally the best out of those three. Consistent quality, good construction except for their shoes and boots (talking about PRL). Ralph lauren denim and supply is quite consistently bad in terms of quality, but occasionally has does half decent designs. Hilfiger's clothing is rather tepid in terms of design with thinner fabrics, lack luster construction, and more conventional fits (prl now has slim cuts), but also generally cheaper. Their coats, however, tend to be worth looking at--simple designs, but constructed well (i prefer HF coats over PRL's). Calvin Klein is generally poor both in terms of design and materials (at least what you'd see at most department stores).

>>5924201
Still not as good as having the armhole custom-sized for you.

>>5924190

This is true in some sense. The way I see it, some items are more accessible as RTW. Jackets aren't one of these for me, and that's why I always have mine made. High cut armscyes are one of the main reasons.

However, depending on how close you are to the model the cut was made around, some RTW can work. Obviously shirts, pants, and sometimes waistcoats are much easier to buy off the rack.

>>5924195
what do you mean "this"
he was saying he didn't know that a tailor makes alterations

on the topic why does anyone say "this" or "thread over"
what you have to say should be judged on its own merit, not how many people agree with you

isn't that why we don't like reddit? they upvote what they like and everyone else is stifled

>>5924209
That would be true if we were not talking high-end RL suits.

The problem here is that most of you have never been to an actual Ralph Lauren store or seen what the higher echelons of the label have to offer.

Of course the shit in your local department store is junk.

>>5924222
>this comment
>still didnt even research who or where ralph lauren suits are manufactured

Calvin Klein hip briefs

>>5924210
MTM =/= bespoke. And they still mostly offer RTW.

>>5924239

There's nothing wrong with echoing something true another poster says. I'm not concerned about what other websites do or don't do. And the statement that there's a difference between people who do alterations and actual tailors is very true.

>>5924222
They are made in italy

>>5924254
It's still just a RL store with some monkey taking your measures. you can't expect half as good a service as what you'd get with a genuine tailor where the guy dealing with you will be the one making your suit. Also even the most premium RL offers have some fusing and that's a no-no for me.

>>5924044
>new york
laughed hard

>>5924254
The problem is that none of the "high level" RL stuff has not reached our eyes and ears at all, so it clearly isn't as good as other similarily priced brands.

It might be good or whatever, but people just choose not to.

>>5923980
Calvin Klein Collection. Besides that they have some nice sweatshirts, dress shirts, and jackets. They're not for the average goofninja who dabbles in the nonformal.

>>5924263

No shit? I never said bespoke and MTM were the same thing. Bespoke requires numerous visits with fit checks at multiple points.

There's nothing wrong with made to measure, it's far better than RTW. Obviously, if you have the money to have every single item of clothing made by a true bespoke tailor, more power to you.

There is still a huge difference between RTW and MTM.

>>5924282
Italy is poor as shit and there are now entire cities w/ illegal chinese citizens dedicated to sewing shit because people love to read "Made in Italy"

>>5924246
I find it's a lot easier to find a suit/jacket from a high-end brand like Belvest, Isaia or Kiton and just make some slight adjustments, rather than finding something from, say, Brooks Brothers, that would need a lot of adjustments: many that aren't even possible, like raising the armholes and lowering the buttoning point.

I only buy at least half-canvassed jackets nowadays, so that pretty much forces me to the more expensive options that, fortunately, have the style I like. So I usually only have to shorten the sleeves and hem the pants when buying something.

>>5924294
>average goofninja
nigga you don goof'd

>>5924230
>tfw when i'm the only one trying to give relevant and helpful advice and everyone else is having a pissing contest

>>5924287

I don't think monkey is an appropriate description. Is it true bespoke? Obviously not. We're talking about different tiers of quality though.

Trust me, I buy MTM and bespoke when I'm able, but there's nothing wrong with selecting something decent off the rack if it naturally fits well. I don't even see what the argument is here. I don't think anyone is trying to deny the true bespoke tailoring and RLPL are in the same category.

They used to make them in Italy (subcontracted to Corneliani mostly). now it's in Turkey and Tunisia. The cloth is still European.

>>5924320

Fucked that last sentence up...

I don't think anyone is trying to deny THAT true bespoke tailoring and RLPL ARE NOT in the same category.

>>5924296
>MTM being far better than RTW/OTR.

It's simply not true. Again, if you find a model that you like that fits well in the shoulders and jacket length, you're better off buying that instead of MTM in many cases. Neither MTM or bespoke is a guarantee that it'll fit perfectly, so if you're lucky enough to find an RTW that fits well in said areas, buy it. Because the shoulders are the hardest part to get perfect.

This comes from someone who has 3 MTM suits and 5 OTR. The MTM ones are from Zegna (2) and Belvest (1). The one suit I'm most happy about is my Mabro - fit is ridicuous after a few alterations.

>>5924331
Zara is made in europe and it's still shit.

European fabric is not inherently superior to Indian/Chinese fabric

rl, ck, th

>>5924350

Sure. I can see the argument you're trying to make, and I'm not saying you're wrong, but you're talking about a rare occurrence and also over looking the other advantages to MTM which include, fabric selection, style of cut, length adjustment....etc. Unless what you're referring to as MTM is stores that offer their own models of clothing with simple alterations.

>>5924051
You're only making yourself look stupider man

>>5924333
Yes. The argument was that RL is asking as much money as for bespoke.

i have a CK tux i bought yesterday for $700
slim fit
i really like it

its at the tailor now getting alterations

I only buy Ralph Lauren for button downs with patterns I find that actual polo's dont really require that much design just pick two colours that go well with each other and thats all.

>>5924368

Then if you have access to a good bespoke tailor and want to invest the time, that's obviously your best option. I'll concede that any day.

>>5924297
>not knowing that mention italy was a hint for you to google and find out that the name of the Italian firm is

>>5924386
>Not knowing what sub-contractor means
You are either naive or don't know how our free economy works

What about Hackett, are their polos acceptable?

>>5924370

To add to this, in that case, I agree 100%. The MTM services that I've always used essentially allow me to design the jacket from scratch.

I guess the issue here is that Made to Measure is a broad term that could cover very different methods of manufacture.

>>5924374
cool story bro

>>5924370
Yeah, like I said, only if you can find a model that you like (fabrics, cut etc.). If you want more freedom, MTM is the way to go. I just got a bit irked by the MTM > OTR. :-P

Here's how I view the 3 different suits that can be bought:

OTR/RTW: what is says, basically. A pre-made suit that you buy. Even if you make tailor adjustments to it, it's still an OTR/RTW suit. Nothing can change that.

MTM: You select one of the models they offer at the store and they put it together to fit your measurements. You have slightly more control here and can choose things like fabrics etc.

Bespoke: An individually cut suit where you have (theoretically) complete freedom when it comes to style, fabrics, length, buttons, lapels etc. I say theoretically because each taylor has his own style that he just won't deviate too much from. Basically, you have to learn how to paint your image of your perfect suit within the tailors framework.

Alright. Here is how I see this personally.

I like Ralph Lauren (RRL, RLP, etc.) for simple items that can either be easily altered or fit well enough OTR (i.e., I probably won't be buying any jackets unless they somehow fit ideally). They make quality clothing with an appealing design.

I haven't looked into the prices of Purple Label's MTM line, but if what others here are saying is true, you might as well just get something truly bespoke.

Really, you're just climbing the ladder. Buy the best you can personally afford. In some cases this might be altering an OTR jacket that has a decent enough fit, while others might be able to afford to commission custom MTM garments (Not just an in store altering of OTR).I find myself falling here often, and though it takes some work, if you get it right the result's are very satisfying.

>>5924426
Welcome to 4chan, rebdit!

>>5924445

Ok. What you're saying makes much more sense now. We were defining MTM very differently.

The services I've always used fall in between your definitions of bespoke and made to measure, allowing the buyer to completely design the clothing and define all of the dimensions. Not at all bespoke, but significant strides ahead of simply altering a pre-made pattern to sloppily taken measurements.

But I completely agree with all of that.

>>5924487
Can I ask, how much do you pay for that service?

The MTM ones I've had made varied from 13,500 SEK to 18,200 SEK. The only store here in Sweden that offers bespoke is A.W. Bauer and the prices start at 30,000 SEK, which is roughly $4600. It's simply beyond my reach at the moment. Would love to afford a bespoke Attolini some day, but that's for when I win the lottery. ;-)

>>5924465

WHAT DO ALL THESE ACROYNMS MEAN

TELL ME

>>5924542

It's variable, but I just had a Tweed jacket done using Porter and Harding fabric for 1,000 USD fabric included, which is quite cheap all things considered. Unfortunately I'll have to wait until next year to wear it.

It's taken a lot of trial and error, I will admit, and how the garment turns out can very much be a product of your own sweat and blood. I've actually come down to providing meticulous physical measurements of the finished product in some cases to a rather satisfying effect.

>>5924550
Look here: >>5924445 I think I've provided a fairly accurate description. TL;DR version:

OTR/RTW = off the rack and ready to wear. They're the same exact thing.
MTM = Made-to-measure, or "su misura".
RLPL = Ralp Lauren Purple Line

>>5924589
That's a damn good price, sir. That's what we have to pay for the cheapest, non-glued jackets over here. ;-/

And agreed. It takes a while for the tailor to get it right. It usually doesn't happen the very first time and is, as you say, a process.

>>5924631
RLP is ralph lauren polo
i don't think anybody says rlpl

>>5924652
Are you sure? I thought there were two RL things, at least: purple line and polo. But I admit, I don't know much about RL. I'm almost exclusively into neapolitan suits, so I'm willing to admit I'm wrong here.

>>5924631

I won't deny that I've been lucky enough to have a pretty fair deal going. But yes, it takes investing a lot of time and effort if you can't afford to go straight bespoke.

Which wrangling one bespoke suit is terrifying enough...a varied wardrobe of bespoke only is mind boggling. But yeah, best of luck with your sartorial endeavors man.

>>5924668

It's actually Purple "Label". Same difference though, I suppose.

The lines that I use are

Ralph Lauren Polo (RLP)
RRL (The first R is apparently for his wife Ricki, and imitates a cattle brand name, hence the western and country inspired clothing)
RLBL (Ralph Lauren Black Label)
RLPL (Ralph Lauren Purple Label)

I actually tend to stick to RLP and RRL, because as we've been discussing, you get more out of your money for choosing bespoke or a similar option.

>>5924711
Its rodeo ralph lauren

>>5924719

Is it? I'd heard that before too, but someone corrected me with that interpretation. Either way, I think the real idea is for it to have the feel of a cattle brand. There's some pretty decent looking workwear under that name.

look I dont care how much shit you guys say about H&M, I went to an outlet and got jeans, a hoody, dress pants, a nice looking black blazer for like $120 and I can't wait to go there again!

>>5924711
Aight. I bow to your superior wisdom!

>>5924631
More to it than that. There's OTR, going to online MTM, CMT where you provide the cloth, semi-bespoke (MTM 2.0) and bespoke.

Bespeaken suits can be shit, ie. South East Asian ones. OTR can be shit, but also top notch.

My wardrobe is mostly Belvest OTR since they fit me pretty well (neck has to be let out on some models, 60$ a jacket).

Also, RL have many different lines.

Lauren Ralph Lauren is run by Macy's, not under RL. Absolutely terrible shit.
Regular PRL differs, but if you get Made in Italy ones, they're made Corneliani (half-canvassed).

Rugy = some made by Caruso.
RLBL = Caruso, older models by Cantarelli.
RLPL = A mix between Chester Barrie, St. Andrews and Caruso.

>>5924745
That's fine. I don't think most young people can see any difference between things from H&M and other, more 'high-end' stores. If you wear that to work though, you'll be laughed at.

>>5924756

You're right about most of that, but be careful labeling entire regions as shitty. I know what you're talking about, and you're not wrong, but there are a few decent tailors in southeast asia. Most of them, however, are not.

Thanks for breaking down the middle ground between MTM and Bespoke.

>>5924778

And noting that the department store "Ralph Lauren" is junk.

>>5924756
Can I ask, what exactly is semi-bespoke? I've never heard of that before.

And as far as I know, only W.W Chang offers bespoke in Asia.

With that said, anyone who actually orders a 'MTM suit' online deserves the guaranteed shit suit they're going to get. :-P Eller vad säger du?

>>5924799

Very true. Unless you've managed to work in direct correspondence with the tailor himself, you're going to get junk. And even that isn't a guarantee of success.

>>5924778
I initially wrote Thailand, but you are definitely correct. WW Chang & Sons amongst others (Lee Baron, Ascot Chang for shirts etc) are worthy of mention if any reader makes their way into those regions. The general /fa/-reader will see "bespoke" and jump gleefully into a project that will most likely be half-arsed.


>>5924799
If one should categorize it, it should be either bespoke with many cost-cutting measures added (outsourcing, half-canvassing but still a individually cut pattern for the customer), or a MTM that's nearly cut from a pattern and possessing most handiwork of a true bespoke suit, but still outsourced.

Or it may just be a way to spruce up the MTM-name. Oh, and there's MTO as well, where you order in a OTR-garment in a new fabric. Caruso amongst others have this.


>>5924799
Well, yeah. I've worked at a tailor/haberdashery and yes, if you are an impossible match (extremely tall and muscular) for OTR and lack money, online MTM might be the way to go. One should first inquire with local stores if they can order in tall/2-tall/short/2-short/fat/2-fat<wbr> sizes. They'll measure you up and boom, most likely better than most online MTM pieces.

>>5924832
By the way, do any of the Rugy ones made by Caruso sport a spalla camicia? I've always liked that about Caruso suits.

>>5924874

I believe they've discontinued the Rugby label. I know my local store in Highland park in Dallas shut down, and that's what I was told.

>>5924892
yeah, it's ded

>>5924872
Thanks for clearing up what semi-bespoke is. I guess I still only categorize with the three styles I mentioned. Keeps things simple.

The problem I see with online MTM is that, as you know, there's so much more than just the measurements that are important, and those are things you can't convey through an online order.

>>5924932

Very, very true. It's still possible to get a good product with the right kind of correspondence and lots of careful trial and error. But there is no doubt that dealing with a tailor in person is far and away the best way to go. Getting the kind of product you want with online MTM, however much freedom, is going to be at least one part luck. I would recommend avoiding it if you have better options available.

>>5924932
Indeed. We had thick books that detailed every possible way that a body could affect the drape and fit of the jacket/pants, and the correct alterations for it.

Bad posture, sloping shoulders, lordosis, big gut, big glutes, tiny glutes, barrel chested, winged scapulae, etcetera etcetera.

>>5924960
>>5924963

D:

I didn't think there were people who knew anything about suits here.

>>5924975
First time it's been appreciated, lol.

>>5924985
I know the feel. The usual reaction is 'dadcore lol'.

:P

I refuse to visit MFA though. From the pics I've seen here, they're not getting it either.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but since people are talking about Tommy, I thought it might be a decent place to ask.

I just copped this parka from Tommy Hilfiger Denim for £130. I do like it and they way it fits but I'm not too familiar with his brand. I'm not really sure if I should keep it; the quality is ok, but nothing fantastic (the fit is good, the fabric is nice, but inner stitching could have been better). I wonder if I could get anything better for this price? Or if most of the stuff within this price range will have similar quality.

>>5924975

I don't mean to be a dick, but there usually aren't. Which is fine, there are different types of fashion, and I think this place would be way more productive if there wasn't so much shit slinging between people who like more traditional things and people who don't care about traditional clothing.

But yeah, /fa/ has a habit of being both wrong and overly aggressive, especially when it comes to the finer details of subjects like custom clothing.

>>5924995

Styleforum, AAAC, CT, LL and the likes are more suited for these kinds of discussions.

Also, I rarely visit /fa/, once a day tops. /fit/ is my home, since you need a relatively good body to look spectacular in a suit.

>>5925003
Well said. I don't appreciate most styles posted here, but like you say, there's no actual need to put others down.

Well, this was nice. Even learned something new!

>>5925006

Great advice on those other boards. I lurk a few of them sometimes. /fa/ has always been geared towards really young people, many of which either could care less about traditional menswear or aren't willing to invest the time to learn about clothing quality. Which can be understandable in some ways, it really takes a lot of time and effort. I think we've all spent more money than we'd like on what essentially end up being lessons.

>>5925006
Whats aaac, ct and ll?

>>5925020

Ask Andy About Clothes, Cutter and Tailor, and I'm not sure about the last one. I love Cutter and Tailor though. Great resource material there.

>>5925006
Only heard of Styleforum, would you mind telling what the other acronyms stand for?

That's true. I think a good body allows for more freedom when choosing a suit. If you're skinny, you're basically forced to wear more modern cuts: slimfit, narrow lapels etc. Not my cup 'o tea.

Mature knowledgeable people on my /fa/?

Euthanize the thread.

>>5925027
NVM, I was a bit late.

Thank you.

>>5924999

>Error: Your image contains an embedded file.

Fuck you moot.

Here's the jacket in question.

http://www.johnlewis.com/hilfiger-denim-nico-hooded-parka-jacket/p380473

>>5925038

It's not really my style, so I'll reserve judgement there. But one of my best friends owns a similar navy parka from J. Crew that I think achieved that look a little better. It had a very nice wax coating too and has been really effective every time we've been out in the rain. You might want to dig around there.

>>5925050

Thanks mate. Just had a look at their website and unfortunately, their UK prices seem to be much higher than the US ones.

Penfield does seem to have some very similar parkas within the same price range and I wonder how would their quality compare.

>>5925020
>LL
London Lounge


Also, FilmNoirBuff for a more raw approach. SF is filled with circle-jerks, you definitely have to wade through loads of shit to get to the good stuff, but boy is there good stuff.

>>5925099
Yeah, there's a few people - who in all fairness do post good stuff - who are treated as Gods, and never critiqued, even when they sometimes post something that's really out there.

With that said, though, I do love Spoo. D:

I have some calvin klein pieces and some polo pieces that none of you can afford retail

hows that for outlet?

calvin klein collection made in Italy, and tons of polo ralph lauren Italian/Caruso made accessories handmade

$125 ties not too far off from $200 purple

>>5925092

You bet. I cropped a photo of him in it so you can see the one I'm talking about, in case you find one on ebay or something. I doubt he'd mind. Very solid, practical piece of outerwear. Sorry the image is so small.

>>5925137

And it apparently decides to fuck itself around when clicked. Oh well.

>>5925117

Don't be a douche bag about it or anything.

>>5925117

Is that attitude necessary? Really?

And as far as no one here being able to afford some of those things, you're quite off the mark. I own a handful of comparable pieces to what you're talking about and according to some of the conversation earlier in the thread, a couple of other guys could probably swing a purchase or two as well, if they wanted.

I would say that having the money to buy whatever you like at leisure is only half of the story, knowledge being the other half. As long as someone is aware of what they've got, and what else is out there, I don't see an issue.

>>5925137

Thanks! It does look quite nice, so I will need to look around,

>>5925137
>>5925142
Oh jesus christ it's happening, look:
>>12253162

>>5925247

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>>5925247
Damn it I couldn't link it, here:
>>>/pol/12253162

Basically this guy >>5925137 has been infected and now we are all potentially in peril!

>you will never be white

>>5925259

I think it's good man. The image was embedded so I was having to dick around with it. What I get for saving from facebook.

>>5925238
Thumbs up!

It's quite nice with so many sensible people here. Will have to start checkin' in more often!

>>5925271

>>5925296

Thanks man. Yeah, I usually lurk here and /k/. Posting every now and then. I did a few Historical Fashion threads here that people seemed to enjoy a lot. Think they got archived. Aside from that my posts are few and far between. But yeah, sure thing.

>>5925271
anything is possible
you just have to believe

>>5925313
>/k/

Are you into hunting, by any chance? I'm thinking about taking it up as a hobby once I get some more free time. Work is a bitch right now, but still plenty fun. :)

>>5925312

>>5925367

Yes, actually. I don't get to as often as I'd like, and I while I get to shoot frequently, I never seem to find the time to hunt much. My father's taken me pheasant hunting since I was six or seven.

Are you living in the US?

>>5925426

Lately I've been dealing a little more with coyotes and foxes, and less in a sport sense than as a matter of pest control. But yeah man, find you an old fella who knows his stuff and absorb whatever you can.

>>5925426
Great stuff man. What a nice thing.

Living in cold Sweden unfortunately, but at least we have good hunting places here and in Finland, when I finally decide to get my license.

>>5925476
Hey, as long as you get to be out there, right? ;)

>>5925527

Oh right, I didn't realize it was still you. My fault. Yes, you guys have some gorgeous countryside up that way. I'm sure if you're interested you'll have a great time. Very rewarding activities, hunting and marksmanship both. The next step for me is going to be to get into mounted shooting, I think.

>>5925595
No worries, it's hard with no names. Can I ask, what kind of weapon do you use? I'd really like to start with a very basic rifle - one that doesn't offer much help, if you will. Bad idea?

>>5925527


Cold sweden = snowmobile hunting. Met three mooses a few weeks ago and a large pack of roe deers, no guns though (+ I myself have no licence but the others had).

>>5925644
Ha. Sounds like a nice combination. One day!

>>5925620

It really depends on the game you're after. For most of what I do a side by side 12 ga. does the trick. I use a bit of an archaic model that still requires the hammers to be manually armed, but a "hammerless" model (like the one pictured) would do very well for you, I think. Extremely simple guns, but the technique to shooting them is a lot different than what you would use to shoot a rifle or a pistol. I had some trouble at first because I was more acclimated to rifles and handguns.

If you're wanting a rifle for something ground related, there are all sorts of options.

>>5925676

To continue, I would recommend beginning with a shotgun like this, as it will allow you a wider variety of options (Fowl as well as deer, elk, etc.) as well as provide you with a good starting point as far as the firearm itself is concerned.

>>5925676
That is one lovely looking rifle, I must say.

I guess I'm mostly interested in ground related hunting. Luckily, I have a cousin who has been hunting for ten years, so he'll be able to point me in the right direction here.

>>5925689
I take it back: that's a lovely shotgun. Show's how little I know about guns.

And thanks for the tips. Much appreciated (and needed)!

>>5925706

Oh yeah, I'm sure he'll be able to set you up just fine. You sacrifice some range using a shotgun rather than a rifle for hunting, say, deer. In the end, it's just as effective though.

Clothing is another great part about it. Over here, unfortunately, most hunters are pretty poorly dressed, which is a shame because traditional hunting clothing is some of my favorite. I abuse earth tones anyway, but it gives you a good excuse to bust out the muddy colors and tweed. The British have a very formal code of dress concerning shooting outfits, but I take liberties here and there. I always tuck my pants into high cavalry boots (The ones pictured), which tends to be really effective in the countryside.

>>5925758

One more picture, for inspirations sake.

>>5925758
>>5925775
Nice. Yes, the clothing is another part I like about hunting. This is something I'd like to sport. Ditch the hat though. I'm actually very envious of the culture in America and England, when it comes to clothing. Things are far too casual here, making it hard to dress like that.

>>5925843

No worries, the average hunter in the American south/west doesn't dress so well either. Best way to go about it is to do it anyway and set the example, in my experience.

>>5926151
That's what I'm thinking. It looks good, so why not.

Nice talk man, I've enjoyed it. Clock's way too late and the bed needs to be hit. It'd be funny if this thread was alive tomorrow, but I doubt it, so with that said: all the best!

>>5925843
>tfw open carry is outlawed so you will never be able to pull this look

>>5926203

Agreed and same to you. Best of luck with everything. I'm sure I'll catch you around.

>>5926214

Easily one of the biggest pluses to living in the southwest.

>>5925843
>>5926151
somebody has been watching too much downton abbey

when you go hunting you sit in a blind and wear camo

Calvin Klein gets my pussywet

Ralph Lauren, if I had to choose.

>>5925117

Fake sieg stop projecting.

Also I'll stick to my Anderson and Sheppard. tyvm

Ralph Lauren Polo isn't that great and this is coming from a former brand whore. Made in china, cheap material and weird fits. Lacoste is much nicer or unbranded izod if you are cheap.