/fa/ - Fashion

>>18067949
>The salon opens next week, what new trends and new models do you expect this year?
Lange will save watchmaking as they always do. Patek will release more bejeweled dogshit. AP will release another Marvel watch. Vacheron will do something irrelevant that no one cares about.

Some of you are alright. Don't go to Watches & Wonders.

>>18067949
What is this complication called?

W&W brands list with their sites:
https://www.watchesandwonders.com/en/geneva-2024/brands-list

>>18067956
I guess the main event this year will be the rebirth of Universal Geneve.
Also more small models (35-37mm), and maybe more "girly" colors like the new Tudor pink dial.

>>18067960
>AP can't even be bothered to show up
Royal Oak bros...it's so over

>>18067949
Posting the best watch.

>>18067964
Yeah, weird because there are other Richemont brands there.

>>18067924
You're not fooling anyone brokie. By the way, I could see how far out the 9 and 3 indices were just by the naked eye. Really hope you didn't green light this you loser

guys let's admit it. wearing a rolex is a big 'look at me and validate me plz'. it's pathetic

>>18067973
anon, when he said cope and seethe, it was an expression, you're not supposed to ACTUALLY cope and seethe

>>18067973
>lmfao
lmfao

>>18067984
I'm actually doing him a favor. That's the whole point of doing a QC check before the fake gets sent out

>>18067973
You didn't draw the line really in the middle tho

>>18067970
AP is not a Richemont brand. They're still independent. VC is the only one of the "Holy" Trinity that has been bought out.

>>18068016
Patek has been bought by LVMH though.

>>18068017
No it hasn't, retard. It's still owned by the Stern family.

>>18067960
>I guess the main event this year will be the rebirth of Universal Geneve.
Nothing will happen with it this year, it's way too soon.
MAYBE some sketches and concepts will be shown.
Expect one or two full years before anything is even close to release, three to five if they want to develop calibers instead of using some LJP or Pennisi.

>>18068017
>Patek has been bought by LVMH though.

https://atelierdegriff.com/2023/04/02/about-the-patek-philippe-and-lvmh-acquisition/
>In case still necessary – we’re here to set the record straight and let you know that the whole thing was just an April Fool’s joke.

Jesus fucking christ you are retarded.

>>18068019
>>18068023
Sales finalization is planned tomorrow, april 1st 2024.
Everyone knows it.
Keep shielding yourself from the truth.
Tiffany dial Calatrava will be revealed as well.

For me? It's the Casio MTP-blahblahblah in green.

>>18067949
It looks like they forgot to finish this watch. You can see it's insides.

>>18067949
Good day, gentlemen. How do you do?

>>18068045
looks like a $10 rollie wannabe

>>18068045
i agree, now if only Casio can stop making Oceanus so ugly. Talking about cringe japanese aesthetics kek.

>>18068060
>wearing the word "...anus" on your wrist
umm.. guys?

>>18068058
my day has been ruined after seeing your omega cope watch

>>18068061
cartainly not a big issue for non english speaking people

>>18068058
>MAEN

>>18068064
Anus is universal

>>18068062
Got it as a present and love it. I'm also pretty sure no one will mistake a yellow plastic swatch with a Speedmaster... so I think I'm good. The factory strap is pretty bad so I replaced it with a color-matched option by Delugs:
https://delugs.com/collections/moonswatch-mission-to-the-sun-straps/products/mission-to-the-sun-blue-tang-strap?_pos=2&_fid=d305128d1&_ss=c

>>18068068
I'm not too fond of the phantom date. But I like everything else about it.

>>18068058
based calculator watch

looking alright to me

>>18067949

>>18068104
get out of here you freak

>>18068104
garbage normie crap, enjoy wearing that shit to your local anime con with other freaks

>>18068118
>get out of here you freak
Ok, 3,2,1 let's jam.

>>18068133
Le cringe

I made the mistake to take the bezel off my fakeKX, couldn't put it back and broke the metal lever (not in pic) making it click. How did they close it ?

At what price range does brand loyalty/whatever you're supposed to call the attitude of buying $500 gucci tees instead of $50 levi tees which have no apparent quality difference.

Paying a house amount of money on a watch seems ridiculous to me, and I'd consider that the brand loyalty thing.

Is there a "quality" difference between a $10k watch and a $5k watch?

>>18068164
anything above $5k is just prestige

>>18068164
There is a guy with a 5k Tudor and a 7,8k GS and the quality is day and night between them.
It really depends on the watch.

>>18068045
>zinc alloy

>>18068164
at around 50$ for a quartz and mayyyybe up to 1k for a mechanical

>>18068164
>>Is there a "quality" difference between a $10k watch and a $5k watch?
Yes but not all brands. Rolex and Tudor, you can get the cheapest Tudor or Rolex and its finished the same specifications as the more expensive variant. Mild difference being with precious metal or gemstones, but actual quality? No. It's the same. You'd find objective quality differences between brands though, say a $5k Tudor vs a $10k Grand Seiko, with the latter being vastly superior from a quality perspective.

>>18068177
Do you fuck a lot?

>>18068072
No, but it's still a yellow plastic piece of shit that looks like a Speedmaster, another, more venerable piece of shit.

>>18068164
>Is there a "quality" difference between a $10k watch and a $5k watch?
It really depends on the brand.
>Rolex & Tudor
No. Because of how "minimal" and "utilitarian" their dials and finishing are, there is really not much difference in their range and casing or complication difference does not warrant the price difference. With the addition of stones or precious metals excluded, of course.
>GS
Yes. Their quartz with sunburst dial watches are closer to Seiko's higher end than they are the hi-beat and spring drive catalog. Hand work on dials factors in too.
>JLC
Yes, but in th"e worst way possible. The quality you get at their "entry level" is somewhat uniform which used to be great before they kicked the Reverso's price up but now everything is kind of the same level of quality while also being high in price. And then there's a huge gap when you get into the complications.
>Blancpain
No and it's really weird that you have a time-only (oh sorry, time and date because daddy Swatch said so) Fifty Fathoms in a comparable price range as an ultraslim complete calendar in the Villeret collection. Then again, Blancpain's catalog has been one of the most mismanaged part of the Swatch Group
>Chopard and Cartier
You can put these two in the same bag because they have such a massive quality difference in their range despite high prices that their basic, entry level yet still expensive ladies' quartz and their skeletonized or Geneva Seal movements might as well be two different brands.
>Omega
Used to be the case due to quartz Constellation models. Not so much anymore now that their movements are somewhat uniform across the whole range.

What are some skeleton watches that aren't ugly?

>>18067956
>Patek will release more bejeweled dogshit.
They will release a new sports watch names CUBITUS. This has been leaked by a Patek retailer.
https://k2luxury.ch/watches/brand/patek-philippe/cubitus/cubitus/

>>18068200
What about others like Breitling/Piaget/IWC/Zenith/Tag Heuer/Panerai?

Thanks for the 10k vs 5k diff replies anons. Here's a fun game I've set up to just get a broader idea on good watches (watches that are respected among the community, shows a sign of class when you wear them). Please post in the replies, what watch you would buy for these specific price ranges. (please reply in the format I've written below):
$10k - $7k: A B C
$6k - $3k: D E F
$2k - $1k: G H I
$1k - $500: I know most replies aren't gonna be here, so I'm just gonna drop few of my favorites in this price range
1. Bulova Lunar Pilot (my current favorite, saving up to buy one)
2. Seiko Speedtimer
3. Seiko SPB155
4. Certina DS7
5. CasiOak
6. Tissot Seastar Chrono
7. Seiko 5 Sports GMT

>>18068230
>Breitling & Tag Heuer
They used to be all over the place in terms of quality whith smaller Colts and Superoceans in quartz, not as much now, like Omega. They still have a big gap in quality though but it's more because some of their quartz models are hideously overpriced. I don't know what they call their plastic material they use to make some watches ultralight but these models pack the same ETA G10 movements you find in Tissots. Same thing for TAG that used to have a hyper profitable entry level with the Formula 1. It's more streamlined towards their higher end now.
>Piaget
I don't really know their current catalog but they used to be very much like Cartier and Chopard : really shit quartz entry level so the big ticket customer can have something to buy for his wife too, and then ridiculously high-end experimental stuff.
>IWC & Panerai
Again, aside from a handful of complication and their exotic materials (especially with Panerai that does a bunch of ceramic and carbon), the level of finish is pretty similar across the board. Which is not a great thing in both cases because it's not very high and detailed on the dial, hands, movements or cases... The level of finish you get with both of them in their 10 000€ models is supposed to compete with people like Glashütte Original doing in-house movements with hand-engraving and it just doesn't stand the comparison.
>Zenith
I'm really not familiar with their catalog, I've hardly seen any aside from the crappy ones from the 90s at vintage fairs where no one wants them.

>>18067973
Lmfao Lmfao bittercel

@18068286

>>18068058
Based fun shitter collection

>>18068232
10k-7k: datejust, explorer, gmt master (this is below 10k msrp right?)
6k-3k: omega sneedmaster, seamaster, nomos world time is cool as fuck
2k-1k: any sinn, seiko 62mas reissue, nomos if you can find it here
1k-500: seiko 5 gmt, seiko alpinist, Tissot prx

Lmfao @ bittercel top kek

>>18068304
yeah below 10k msrp

When I'm examining a watch at the store or even on pictures, it looks good and I think I find all marks of use, but after weeks and months of owning it I find more than I had seen.

Is this normal? It makes me feel shitty somehow.

>>18068232
You know what, I'll spice it up more and subcategorize
$10k - $7k:
>New : one of the Grand Seiko with hand-made dials
>Vintage : Blancpain Leman 100h
>Fuck you I like it : Panerai Radiomir 8 days (easily found in that range second hand if you want dial options)
$6k - $3k:
>New : Nomos Tetra Neomatic
>Vintage : Eterna Madison
>Fuck you I like it : Omega Railmaster
$2k - $1k:
>New : Zodiac Sea Wolf skin diver
>Vintage : Universal Genève Polerouter date
>Fuck you I like it : Raketa Big Zero (modern)
$1k - $500:
>New : Nivada Super Antarctic
>Vintage : Accutron Spaceview
>Fuck you I like it : any Nixie-tube watch

>>18068291
>>18068090
Ty anon

Alright I am really into rubber straps I might just buy 40 of them

>>18068177
What to check if I wanna buy one?

@18068378
lmfao

Is SKX007 basically same dimensions as SRPD/SRPK/SRPJ? 42.5 diameter with 46 lug to lug. So if I buy a fitted bracelet for SKX007 it just works TM?

>>18068232
>$10k - $7k:
Rolex Oyster Perpetual 36 Grape
Omega Seamaster Planet Ocean summer edition
Rolex Datejust 36 silver fluted bezel

>$6k - $3k:
Omega Speedmaster 38
Grand Seiko SBGW277
Grand Seiko SBGX347G

>$2k - $1k:
that's the hardest category for me, not good enough to be luxury but too pricey to be fun watches
NOMOS Ludwig black
Junghans Max Bill handwound?
Frederique Constant Highlife?

>$1k - $500:
Hamilton Khaki Field Mechanical black pvd
Seiko Prospex Speedtimer
Tissot Sideral in yellow

love me 'ammy

Trying to figure out how to take better pictures. It's hard to get good reflections from the dial without just having reflections from the light be all that you see.

>If you want better pictures, get a better watch
har har

What are you wearing today?

Pic related for me

>>18068404
>not good enough to be luxury
retard

>>18068357
Absolutely fucking retarded

apple watch

Why You Should Love The Casio F-91W:
>A Classic
>Makes A Statement
>Features
>Won't Break The Bank
>Adequate Backlight
>Fearless In Rain

>>18068454
What is the bracelet and strap game like on this? Do a lot of straps work? Is it hard to find fitted endlink bracelets and curved rubber straps that fit the lugs?

>>18068510

>>18068454
>>18068537
Those are some Nomos-tier lugs.

>he unironically uses the term "spec monster"

>>18068537
I got it with leather and then bought this stainless milanese. The leather works nicely. Neither feel like they're quite 'right' and I think it would benefit from fitted endlinks. I haven't searched for anything but it just seems like a miss from Hamilton, but I get that bracelets aren't exactly their style either.
>>18068539
Yes. The edges are also pointy.

>a Tissot pop up store on the roadside
>Literally just a container

I dunno if I wanna drop a grand or two on a watch sold by some guy on the roadside bros

>>18068563
Hamilton's bracelets would actually be pretty good if they just had better options for adjustment.

>>18068544
Who are you quoting?

>>18068536
What watch made in the last 30 years isn't fearless in the rain?

Thoughts on this? Really like the blue dial.

Are "loud" gold watches too much to wear in church?

>>18068577
Why the fuck is an asian woman wearing a "my prophet was a pedophile"-scarf? Is that Indonesia or something?

>>18068614
Is it a black church?

>>18068627
No. A Jap one.

>>18068357
u like the railmaster?

>>18068625
No, Malaysia. That's the Bukit Bintang district in Kuala Lumpur.

>>18068357
GS bros... We can't stop winning.

>>18068612
VC is god tier.

>>18068638
at being gay.

>>18068471
This is the first one of these I've seen you post that I fully like. Looks great, very clean.

>>18068387
ebay, chrono24, online shops, or ask our resident weeb who is on a visit to Japan currently to find one for you

>>18068707
This is the better looking yacht timer.

>>18068635
Yes but I'm under no illusion that it's a shit choice by most metrics, especially if you buy it at retail price.
I like it because
>choo choo
>co-axial
>chugga-chugga-chugga
>it's not a sneedmaster that costs a fortune now
>it's not a diver and I don't really like divers very much now that they're all Submariner cope watches. If the Kon Tiki hadn't been turned into one and stayed bezelless, I'd gladly get one
>You can get them at 40% of RSP if you go grey market
>CHOO CHOO
It's a shit choice, but I still like it.

Which brands have the best finishing on their watches (under 10k)? I'm a huge GS dick rider so I'd put it up there and I love japanese made high quality watches, wish they did some good looking chronographs & divers but unfortunate.

I'd also like to mention Omega, Tudor/Rolex, Breitling, & Nomos

>>18068783
Nomos and Junghans with the Max Bill are being smart about it.
They know they can't compete in terms of engravement, dial texture and whatnot at their price point so instead they will make some really good, crisp painted dials. Arguably the best you'll find right now since that kind of look has gone out of fashion.
I've been pleasantly surprised by Ball when it comes to finishing. They use off the shelf movements so they can focus on that and do a nice job for their price point. Problem is that a lot of their designs are pretty uninspiring. Same with Louis Erard when they're not doing meme-tier Copestantin Chaykin joker watches.

>>18068710
I meant what to check about the watch to make sure it's not bad before I buy it?
And I suppose, you buy it and send it straight for a service? Thank

>>18068803
Well it's nice if the case is in somewhat good shape, if it's been polished the lines won't be so crisp anymore. The dial is sometimes discolored, so pay attention to that. When i bought it i assumed it would need a service (it did) so i took that into account and set money aside for it, they're around 60 years old so they will be happy if someone takes some care of them. Other than that just try to get the best example possible, it makes a difference.

What's the best Hamiliton Khaki clone I can get for like $100?

>>18068821
Why is the dial blue and the bracelet orange?

>>18068821
can you post the phantom knight?

best dive watch (not style, actual dive watch) under 500 bucks? I got the top three orient, seiko and citizen in mind, but I don't know which fucking model to go for. I'm a sucker for quality, finishing and longevity, so whichever fits that is perfect for me.

>>18068833
Why? You don’t dive.

the fuck is up with orient having so many variants of their dive watches?? Fuck is mako kanno kamasu bruh someone plz help & guide me

Serious question here, what do you guys think about Omega vs Tudor purely in terms of watch quality and finishing?

>>18068821
Stop posting this boring ass picture to every thread you retarded faggot

>>18068827
There you go fren.

>>18068825
Idk, magic.

>>18068612
I own the time only.

Your piece is based on the same movement as mine (JLC 899) but modified by JLC for the complications and then sold to AP, VC and PP. It was also used in Master Geographic. VC made a small tweak where they removed the minute hand from the second time zone.

Aside from that, beware the relative thickness of this watch. The time only is an ultra thin watch at 9mm, which is a world of difference compared to the 12 to 13mm of the other two models. That's not to say they are thick, but they are thicker than I would like for haute horology pieces. I think an antimagnetic automatic watch at 9mm is an insane feat.

Aside from this, regarding the piece itself, know that the dual time is the least popular of the series. The most popular are the chronograph and time only.

Ultimately I decided against the dual time because the dial is too cluttered for my taste, and the thickness threw me off. The time only also has the most guilloche dial real estate, something I adore, so I didn't want the pattern interrupted by complications. For me it's the most perfect watch ever made.

Now is a good time to buy because they have dipped well below 20k, but the blue dial will be around 20 or higher for sure because it's limited edition. But you should decide soon because they will appreciate again. Currently they are an insider tip because they are obviously a VC sports watch at a huge discount compared to the competition or the newer model. But they're still beautiful and very popular.

Note that, according to ADs, the blue dial being limited was produced the least, followed by the black dial, followed by the white dial and any other color. So that's the hierarchy of price and desirability. Blue and black are what you should be looking at.

>>18068866
From my experience, Tudor's the dial finishing is abysmal, especially for the price. The cases are mediocre but the calibers are great. I don't know exactly where the money is going to, I guess the brand name?
I never had an Omega so I don't know about them.

>>18068866
>watch quality and finishing?
Only soulless autists care about "quality and finishing". Trust me anon, you don't want to become one of those nitpicking retards who argue online about "hands finishing".

The ONLY thing that matters is style.

IMO:
vintage Omega > vintage Tudor > modern Tudor > modern Omega

>>18068879
How's the movement decoration and finishing? What about the hands are hour markers, are they polished by hand?

>>18068866
Omega is head and shoulders above Tudor, it's not even a comparison. Omega swings for Rolex (and misses by very little), while Tudor is barely Breitling level.

>>18068883
>How's the movement decoration and finishing?
Very good, but not as good as VC high end pieces, though this must be accepted considering the price. Definitely superior to any watch at the price point

>What about the hands are hour markers, are they polished by hand?
Yes, the seconds hand is even black polished. Dial, case, bracelet are all hand made and hand polished, so is the movement of course, and VC replace many parts of the ebauche by their own production, they also modified the gear train to reduce resistance.

Ceramic ball bearings, solid gold oscillating weight, blued screws, all hand finished. This watch is ridiculously undervalued at the moment.

>>18068885

>>18068888
I feel like it should be better for 20K. The Guilloche is nice but I don't see where the rest of my money is going. There are mechanical watches at 1/10th of the price that are 5mm thin. The solid Gold rotor is nice though. Is the case black polished or just polished?

>>18068893
I don't know the technique on the case but the high polish certainly looks different than the high polish on e.g. a Breitling.

>finish
For 20k you are paying for the blue dial, and yes I agree with you, but you are paying for the dial color only. For 12 to 16k I think the finish is appropriate.

>>18068893
>The Guilloche is nice but I don't see where the rest of my money is going.
One world: Bracelet.

>>18068885
>This watch is ridiculously undervalued at the moment.
LOL, literally the opposite. I guarantee you this watch will depreciate in value as the trend for integrated bracelet sports watch inevitably fades.

Everything about the 2nd gen Overseas is awkward and inelegant.
>that 4:30 date window
>those ugly flat hands
>those ugly numerals
>that 90s style guilloché
>those awkwards endlinks
>that protruding "crown guard" (I don't even know what the fuck this is supposed to be)

Even the 1st gen looks slicker and more modern in comparison.

>>18068901
lmao at this retarded take. We get it, you don't know shit about watches, now leave.

>>18067949

>>18068882
strong red > meh orange

>>18068133
I think it's time we blow this scene

>>18068901
I agree with you. The Overseas just doesn't age well the way that Nautiluses and Royal Oaks do, as evidenced by their comprehensive redesigns over the years.

anyone here able to explain to me why people buy these brands:
Baume & Mercier
Frederique Constant
Raymond Weil

>>18068881
>>18068884
Rank these brands from best qc/quality/finishing to worst: GS, Omega, Tudor, Breitling, Longines, Tag Heuer, Rolex.

>>18068928
There has only been one major redesign and it was 1st to 2nd gen. The 3rd gen is almost identical to 2nd.

>>18068930
Rolex > Omega > Breitling > Tudor = Tag Heuer = GS > Longines

>>18068930
GS>rolex>omega (who cares about the rest)

>>18068932
>>18068933
oh wow I was not expecting you guys to put rolex so high up. Is rolex really that good or just an overrated brand which is accessible to every nigger in LA

Also you should care about the other brands because I have taken a keen interest on breitling and longines, especially breitling. Was wondering if it's worth spending money on a black bay or should i get something from longins/breitling. Why is longins so low though? teddy baldassarre shills it pretty good.

>>18068938
It's just /wt/ brainlets parroting what some sales rep told them, ignore them.

>>18068940
you tell me then

>>18068938
You don't charge $7k for a 3 hand watch just to make shit.

>>18068928
The thing that's always irked me about the Copeverseas is that its design signature, that bezel, is completely pointless.
Compared that to the bolts in the Royal Oak or the "ears" of the Nautilus. Those are both functional in terms of how they hold the case together.

Vacheron had 30 years to come up with a response to the RO/Nautilus and...that's the best they could do. No wonder Patek and AP are still independent while VC is just a line item in Richemont's portfolio.

>>18068944
Whats the point of doing anything? We're all going to die some day.

>>18068942
Ahem
Rolex explorer
Rolex OP

Post your grail

>>18068949
Gmt master ii (5 digit)

>>18068947
Both are excellent watches.

>>18068949
Omega speedmaster moonwatch *dark side of the moon edition*

>>18068930
Generally speaking GS is the best among the ones you mentioned. Followed by Rolex/Tudor and Omega, although Omega CAN make pieces that surpass Rolex but those are more higher end and not their bread and butter. After that comes Breitling and Longjeans and Tag are mostly equal.

>>18068954
>special edition grail
Gay

>>18068958
>Generally speaking GS is the best among the ones you mentioned.
GS QC is still pretty bad. Misaligned bezels are surprisingly common on their GMT and dive watches.

>>18068949
Just the regular 42mm Speedy. Ok, maybe the gold one.

>>18068949

>>18068943
35 jewels? Damn.

SO WAIT.
WHAT'S THE ROYAL OAK/NAUTILUS equivalent OF VACHERON????

>>18068972
>WHAT'S THE ROYAL OAK/NAUTILUS equivalent OF VACHERON????
There is none.

>>18068972
It's probably the 222 if we're being honest.

>>18068966

>>18068966
Number of jewels used to be a marketing thing.

>>18068860
Wot watch?

>>18068984
A movement can only benefit from more jewels though, right?

Big thick chunky lume markings desu

>>18068987
Well they put them under the date and day wheels so they could slide more easily, supposedly. IDK if you can even put more jewels in there, it's a three hander with a day and date.

>>18068975
>overrated
Yes
>ugly
Yes
>too popular
Yes
>"sporty"
Yes

>>18068986
Some Seiko 7A28.

>>18068944
Good point. The bracelet is also beyond retarded in that regard.
>let's make an industrial-design inspired watch in the most intricate and convoluted way possible

>>18068990
So it's 9 jewels just sitting there under the calendar wheels? 35 - 9 = 26, 26 jewels is still a lot of jewels for a day date movement, isn't it? Most of the classic movements have 17-19 jewels.

>>18068949

>every single good-looking seiko is either discontinued or japan only
>every widely available seiko is a 42mm monstrosity
someone explain this to me

>>18068993
>he hates it because it's incredibly difficult and complex to make

Sure is luxury watch collecting in here and not poorfag cope with shitter collections.

>>18068997
11, 7 under the date and 4 under the day.

>>18068944
It has always been the ugly duckling of the 3

>>18068949
Forever unobtainable.

>>18068932
This

>>18068879
That date at 4:30 is FUCKING GHASTLY. At least the chrono has the date at twelve.

>>18069006
t. doesn't understand industrial design principles

frens
What dressy watch with clear dial (white, champagne, beige and all that) would you get until 500 euros? And for 1k?

>>18069011
For poors journe

>>18069018
>until 500 euros
Germoid spotted
Orient bambino

>>18069018
>500 euros
Baltic
>1k
vintage Omega

>>18069022
>Baltic
very nice, didn't know them. Thanks>>18069021
>Orient bambino
mmm meh but thanks

>>18069017
Worse still, they couldn't even bother to color match the date wheel so it looks even worse.

The whole point of a 4:30 date is to try to minimize dial asymmetry, not make it worse.

>>18069002
Seiko and citizen are the kings of doing something wrong on every single watch. They have the ability to make nearly perfect watches that are reasonably priced for whatever price category they are in but they just flat out refuse. They will always insist on glass crystals or oversized cases or cheap jangly bracelets or the gayest colors and hands and markers you've ever seen. It's like they enjoy stepping on your balls.

>>18069024
>not make it worse.
NOTHING looks worse than that ugly 4:30 date. And even worse, they didn't bothered to color match it either.
Better kys than keep trying to defend that overpriced abomination.

>>18069029
I don't think you read the post you're responding to.

>fall in love with pic related
>check price
>actually not that expensive
>start to really considering pulling the trigger on it
>quickly check dimensions
>16mm thick

Just fuck my goddamn shit up fampai.

>>18069040
If you want a thin diver that's not absurdly expensive, look up the Pierce Brosnan-Bond era Omega Seamasters. When they still had the cal. 1120 (a slightly modified ETA 2982) they were pretty thin.

>>18069002
It can never be a monstrosity when it is 46mm lug to lug

>>18069018
None retard that doesn't even buy you pants lmfao, what the fuck are you going to wear it with?

>>18069054
your mom

>30 years old perpetual calendar watch
>automatic movement
>36mm in diameter
>8,5mm thick
When did you realize modern watchmaking is SHIT?

>>18069040
Well, yeah, you're looking at a 500m WR watch. I don't have time to look now but I'm pretty sure they have a similar looking 300m watch.

It's kinda sad what they're doing with their colors though. They used to do straight up rolex homages and people dragged them for it so now they almost go out of their way to make their watches unique colors, and sometimes it hits and sometimes it misses.

>>18068614
Not if you donate as much to the church every year.

>>18069057
It really makes you wonder if they deliberately oversize watches now because that's what's in fashion or if something from the technology or skill needed to make stuff that small was lost somehow. Like, some companies used to make 36mm chronographs... Wtf happened to that?

>>18069058
Squale knows how to make a thin diver.
Their classic 50 ATMOS 1521-026/A is just 12.5mm thick (41mm x 48mm) Same 500m WR.
It's basically unchanged from the 60s except for updates in materials (like sapphire instead of plastic.

>>18069073
>Wtf happened to that?
It's what the market demanded. Nothing more, nothing less.
If enough customers still wanted a 36mm chronograph, companies would make them.

Whenever "purists" screech about how no one makes watches like they used to, the companies turn around and say, "OK, we'll make this watch. Will you buy it?" and all they get in response is "No, I'll buy it used and let someone else take the depreciation hit."

Modern watchmaking isn't shit, modern customers are.

>>18069054
Lmfao anon spotted

>>18069080
Can I get a QRD?

>>18069073
Watches are bigger because of one reason:

Power reserve.

You need space for the larger and more barrels. Physical limitations. People want 70 hours and more these days, so the watch cases are getting bigger to house the power.

40 to 60 hours is probably the sweet spot for size and thickness.

>>18069017
It's cool as fuck and eccentric, you idiotic dullard. Stop talking about watches you can never afford, please.

>>18069024
Laggard detected. Watchmaking has reverted back to high contrast date wheels. The trend of tone in tone date wheels was a brief period only. It didn't stick because it's ultimately shit. It's for morons who don't understand that a date should be readable not hidden.

For reference, last years Mark watches brought it back in white. Get with the times, lagging nigger.

>>18069079
Call me crazy, but I really doubt the number of people that want small chronographs is that small. Most of the top most hype chronographs with the most legacy and heritage are under 40mm. Even among the cheap bullshit cope chronos, one of the main selling points of the watches using the Seagull 1963 movement aside from being cheap as hell is that they can be as small as 38mm.

>>18069081
If you see a post where there is no watch posted, it's always shitting on someone else, it says Lmfao somewhere in there and it adds nothing to the thread, it's probably him

>>18069081
tl;dr
bittercel who responds to everything with lmfao lmfao blahblahblah and makes zero contributions to the thread.

>>18069084
This is incorrect. You can still make a movement small and/or thin and still have a long power reserve.
For example, the Piguet cal. 1150 is 3.25mm thick, 26.2mm across, and still has 100 hours of power reserve.

Buyers have just wanted larger watches for a while now. However, you can see the trend starting to go in the other direction and watches getting thinner and smaller again.

>>18069085
>t. still suffering from buyer's remorse.

A non matching date wheel that matches the indicators is supreme class and design mastery.

I can't believe this needs to be explained but then you dress like shit in aged trench coats and scruffy boots, paired with some gaudy Versace shirts most likely. Here's an example of why you don't want tone in tone date wheels: makes it look like a marker.

>>18069092
No, it's not "you can", you're showing a haute horology movement. The average watchmaker (Rolex, Omega, IWC, Heuer) cannot make a thin and small movement with 120 hours or 7 days power reserve.

The record for JLC on a single barrel movement is 70 hours, FYI.

>>18069094
I accept your apology.

>>18069084
Power reserve is another thing that's kind of overrated. It makes a lot of sense to have a 70+ hour power reserve on a watch you plan to wear exclusively to your 5 day work schedule because it's enough to get you through all your nights and days off when you're wearing something else, but for a daily wear watch you'll never notice the difference and for a fancy dress watch you only wear one or two days at a time on special occasions you probably don't even need 40 hours.

When I see those watches that boast 5 days or 10 days of power reserve I always wonder why the manufacturer seems to want me to take their watch off and leave it home for days at a time. Are they sure they wouldn't prefer I choose to wear it every day so everyone else can see me wearing it and see how amazing their watch is?

>>18069086
It's not a small number, but it's really not a large enough number to make it cost effective.

Take Zenith, for example. They have a legacy movement in the El Primero that originally went into some 37-38mm chronographs. They still make the Chronomaster Original in 38mm and it gets massively outsold by the 41mm Chronomaster Sport. They keep the Original around because it's a heritage model, not because it sells well.

A different company, especially one that's smaller, would have to make a significant investment in developing a small chronograph with no guarantee that it would sell.

>>18068707
I really like these

>>18069085
The contrasting date wheel on that IWC makes perfect sense, as it provides symmetry with the 9.

A 4:30 date window should always have a matching color date wheel (or better yet : 4:30 date windows should not exist).

>>18069110
>A 4:30 date window should always have a matching color date wheel (or better yet : 4:30 date windows should not exist).

Citation needed. You're talking out of your ass, bittercel.

>>18069110
Exactly. That's why in the third generation Overseas, they stuck with the non-matched date wheel but moved it to the 3. Now it doesn't deface the dial as badly.
Picrel.

>>18069113
>Now it doesn't deface the dial as badly.
Is this satire?

The dial symmetry is totally destroyed by this date window. It would be less distracting if it was color matched. For your information, the community generally dislikes the date on the 3rd gen Overseas a lot. It's too big, bulky, and out of place on such a fine dial.

You're making me laugh though, so keep it up.

>>18069108
I ki d of wonder if this is Tissot's plan with the 516 chronograph reissue. The new one is 41mm but the original was 38, but when they made the new automatic PRX watches originally they were only in 40mm cases and they later brought them out in 35mm cases after the PRX was confirmed to be a massive commercial success. So maybe they'll do a smaller 516 if a lot of people buy the big one?

>>18069110
>as it provides symmetry with the 9.
Except it doesn't because the wheel is too small lmfao.

>>18069113
that's a fake.

>>18069115
Maybe. That would be neat to see. I wonder what movement they would fit in it?

Date windows always look bad and shouldn't exist

>>18069113
>those tattoos with that watch
you should have gone for a fake of a breitling or something believable

>>18068929
rispondez seevupleigh

>>18069138
Not my picture.

>>18069138
You think the Overseas is a classy watch just because it says "Vacheron Constantin" on it?

>>18069139
>Baume & Mercier
The Rivera line is for people who want a Royal Oak but can't afford one.
The rest of the lineup is a mishmash of homages to other, nicer watches.
>Frederique Constant
They want a JLC but they can't afford one.
>Raymond Weil
They saw it in the jewelry case at the department store and thought it looked neat.

>>18069138
Whats unbelievable about it?

>>18069145
People with tattoos obviously are people who make poor financial decisions but also don't have very much money.

ID?

>>18069148
Casio Pathfinder PAW-1300

I used to really like mechanical watches, but since I do a lot of cooking the absurdity of trying to find a chonograph that wasn't 10x less accurate than a casio and free of general aesthetic and functional problems killed me so now I wear a casio f105w

It's freeing because my watch doesnt die if I golf or swim and it looks 0% like a dinner plate

>>18069150
You're just too poor for a Lange.

>>18069142
if by "classy" you mean "more expensive than you can afford", yes, that is what I think

>>18069146
and basically this

>>18069040
It better be 300m with that thickness lol

>>18068478
which citizen chrono is this?

>>18068879
Amazing watch m8.
Congrats.

>>18069146
>people who make poor financial decisions but also don't have very much money.
Sounds like the average luxury watches customer

>>18069151
Why yes, I am too poor to spend $30,000 on a watch. How could you tell?

-sent from my condor les paul

>>18069146
Yeah, because there's never been a faggot with ugly tattoos with rich parents.

>>18069157
Obvious samefagging is obvious.

>>18069150
>chronograph for cooking
Wtf are you cooking that the inaccuracy would stack enough over time to matter?

>>18069180
Chronograph watches lose or gain more or less time the more you use the chrono, and the majority don't like being submerged in dishwater and used with water still beaded on them. A casio is as accurate and durable as it gets for under $5k desu.

Im in love

>>18069218
Hey is that a Rol.... oh, uh sorry I have to go

>>18069218
50 years old paki taxi driver watch.

After years of
>looking at pictures of watches
>thinking about watches
>dreaming about watches
>reading about watches
>watching videos about watches
>listening to podcasts about watches
>discussing watches
>arguing about watches
>saving for watches
>buying watches
>selling watches
>rebuying watches
I can safely say I only like maybe 10 watches, and at least 5 of them are from Rolex.

>>18069203
Sure but even even in the most extreme case like you're timing a 10-12 hour barbecue rack of ribs, how far off do you think they're going to get? Maybe a few seconds in the most extreme case? Is that really going to make a difference? Most of your timing isn't going to be anywhere near that long, and even with the concern of water resistance as long as you don't actually push the pushers while it's submersed the newer models should be good for 50m or more water resistance.

I'd agree that a mechanical chronograph probably isn't the best fit, but I'd still counter that any mechanical dive watch would be appropriate and maybe even better since you get the high water resistance and tough durability you need and the timing bezel still lets you quickly and easily keep track of stretches of time less than one hour. Which should be plenty for most things. And smaller divers are available aroubd 38mm and under, so even size and weight isn't much of an issue if you're concerned about that.

But if you prefer a cheap beater quartz I get it.

Why so few rectangular watches include a date window?

>>18068966
Grand seikos other movement has more.


Caliber : 9SA5
Type : Hi-Beat 36000
Power Source : Automatic
Jewels : 47
Accuracy : +5 to -3 seconds per day (when static)
Duration : 80 Hours

>>18069261
Let's not ask does it make a difference

let's ask if it makes a difference to my pride if my $3000 watch needs re-adjusted weekly and will likely break if worn on a golf course or when doing dishes.
>Divers
I did this actually, a chronograph diver, for timing two things at once. When I seriously cook I do 3-4 smaller dishes otherwise its generic shit in a pot/pan cooked til done. It didn't get much use because the push buttons broke the water seal. Just mechanical watch problems tbf.

>>18069263
>Why so few rectangular watches include a date window?
Most rectangular watches made these days are dress watches and dress watches traditionally are not complicated.

The other factor is the difficulty of fitting a date wheel inside a shaped movement. You either have to make the date wheel miniscule or you have to use a movement that is way too small for the case.

>>18069263
Because then the date window would have to be a circle to counterbalance all the square date windows on round watches. And nobody wants that.

>>18069271
>push buttons broke the water seal
Again, you're choosing the wrong watches for the job. It's not an issue of the accuracy of the watch, you're expecting it to do stuff it's not supposed to do(stay dry with hot water and steam everywhere as you diddle the pushers.)

If you prefer the casio, again, that's fine. Nobody says you should wear an expensive watch just for the sake of showing off. But it's not an issue of the accuracy of the watches, it's your own case and use case. Your soup doesn't give a fuck if it was on the burner a few microseconds shorter or longer because of a difference in tolerances imperceptible by humans. Your watch starting the day 20 seconds off or 20 minutes off wouldn't even affect your timing bezel timing if you didn't feel like updating the time. Nothing about your issues you're describing actually excludes using mechanical watches.

>>18069274
This doesn't make any sense lol

>>18069293
There are a lot of things established in watch design that don't actually make any sense but we go with it anyway because that's how the greats always did it.

Post things that will make /wt/ seethe.
I'll start:
>watches are fashion accessories

>>18069300
I don't think anybody reasonable would ever dispute this.

>>18068944
>that bezel, is completely pointless
Wrong. The bezel screws on and holds the watch together, and the indentations are used for grip.
Much like how Rolex's fluted bezels worked originally.

Here's the Vacheron design guy explaining it: https://youtu.be/67hBbEoLyOU?t=710
Timestamp: 11:50

He's talking specifically about the 222, but he mentions how it's a general characteristic of the 3rd generation Overseas.

>>18069157
Cheers brah

>>18069303
You'd be surprised.
There are still "people" seething about /wt/ being moved from /g/ to /fa/

>>18069304
The Overseas is the perfect taste filter. It beautifully exposes all the NPC retards who only buy what's popular and then come up with insane contrived explanations for why the Overseas is objectively inferior (which it isn't).

>the b-bezel

lmao

>>18069323
They're not seething because watches aren't fashion, they're seething because the general in /g/ was good and the general in /fa/ is fucking trash. The quality of the posters is through the fucking floor.

>>18069324
Yes, yes, we get it already. You couldn't source a a Nautilus...or a Royal Oak...or a good Overseas.

>>18069331
Show us a good overseas.

>>18069331
>Yes, yes, we get it already. You couldn't source a a Nautilus...or a Royal Oak...or a good Overseas.
The boom in popularity in the last few years of the Nautilus (and Aquanaut) and Royal Oak have been the best thing to ever happen to the Overseas.

>>18069218
what fabric is below polyester? rayon? nylon? thats what your closets made up of HOLY KEK POORFAG RETARD YOUR WATCH IS GAY

>>18069333
Blue dial, moonphase, retrograde date (which is kind of a signature complication for VC)

But yeah, most of them are pretty fucking heinous.

>>18069343
I notice it still has the "useless" bezel.

>>18069304
The 222's bezel screwed in. The Overseas is just a press-fit that LOOKS like it.
But any excuse to have more maltese crosses right?

>>18069344
fucking up an otherwise fine watch is also a signature of vc.

>>18068929
>Baume & Mercier
Uninspired, generic "fancy-ish looking" watches so Richemont can have an entry-level aside from Cartier's quartzes
>Frederique Constant
A ton of Patek copewatches and now some entry-level complications so you can have a silicon hairspring or a tourbillon or a worldtimer without spending too much or needing to look into vintage. The copiest of the copes.
>Raymond Weil
I genuinely hve no idea how they still exist when this sort of brand thrived off knowing distributors and being visible in stores before you could easily search for alternatives and better prices without being limited to what brick and mortar stores are in your area. Their dress watches look like the equivalent Longines but at a similar or worse price, their chronos look like TAG chronos but in boring colours, none of their watches are priced competitively, they don't have any interesting brand ambassadors to attract normies or any appeal to history or some interesting places or anything.

>>18069343
They need to make a double retrograde day date. Trust me, i'm a watch designer.

Royal Oak > VC 222 > Nautilus > Chopard Alpine whatever > Tissot PRX > a literal pile of shit > Overseas > the whole population of Africa > Overseas 2nd gen with the awful 4:30 date window

>>18069352
Rent free.

Also, sour grapes.

>>18069350
day and date pointers are gay.

>>18069356
Day and date anything is based. A double gatorade day date is beyond based.

>>18069343
That watch drives me nuts

>>18069343
Absolutely fucking retarded.

>>18069352
>Royal Oak > VC 222 > Nautilus >
NPC and/or black person detected.

>>18069352
Overseas or hublot classic fusion (serious question) from a design standpoint disregard movement

>>18069300
>Post things that will make /wt/ seethe.
The vast majority of active posters in these threads are heavily influenced by brands' marketing, e-celebs and artificial viral trends.
The never ending debates about holy trinity integrated bracelet sports watches is an obvious proof of that fact.

>>18069392
One is a fashion watch, one is a real watch.

>>18069392
From a design standpoint: the Hublot Classic Fusion

It's the older design, updating the original MDM Hublot from the 80s. It's cohesive and each element is considered. The Overseas is a schizophrenic mish-mash of elements which is also why it's been heavily revised multiple times.

>>18069300
>Post things that will make /wt/ seethe.
Resale value matters. Wearing a watch you know you could sell in a few hours if needed is a very nice feeling.

I wish Eterna didn't suck so hard nowadays.
Seeing the original Kontiki compared to "a Submariner BUT WITH AN IMMERSION BEZEL" and the mixing of the regular and Super into basically the same model is just sad.

>>18069300
>Post things that will make /wt/ seethe.
Rolex for men, Cartier for ladies, Casio for children, Seiko for poors.

>>18069390
It's actually nautilus>royal oak>prx>shit>VC 222 driving me nuts ship wheel watch

>>18069300
Rolex = Apple

>>18069300
Wearing a smartwatch is the better choice 99% of the time

>>18069452
It's not, though. It's just another device you have to remember to put on a charger.

>>18069455
>remember
it's a habit as soon as you get home from work

>>18069459
It's a habit you don't have to keep at all with an automatic watch. Just charge your phone, don't have to have multiple plugs and wireless charging pads and all kinds of bullshit for multiple devices.

>>18069462
Checking my wrist is easier than checking my phone.

Pretty sure the whole VC rage is because of that one boy with the pens. He has really upset someone.

>>18069455
You take your watch off to shower anyway, I hope. Smart watches just get put in a specific spot.

>>18069478
That's NoBullyChan. They've been here for years.
The recent VC drama is because of a guy who bought a used second gen Overseas and then immediately got mad when no one cared or, worse, offered their honest opinion of the watch.

>>18069463
Did you even read that post? Be honest.

>>18069481
I don't want to put it in a specific spot. I want to put it wherever I feel like putting it.

>>18069485
No, it's not the guy who posted the VC, it's some shithead that tried to make fun of it because "It's not a REAL VC" and can't quantify what that means or why anyone should care that he feels that way, but that's not going to stop him throwing a pissy fit and insisting it doesn't count as owning a VC.

>>18069493 is the guy >>18069485 is referring to.

NEW THREAD WHEN?

>>18069485
>buy a watch, post it here, and expect everyone to give you upvotes
He must have confused this place for reddit.

>>18069495
>NEW THREAD WHEN?
We're not even at the bump limit. You're not as funny as you think you are.

>>18069493
To me, a real VC is anything made pre-Richemont acquisition.

>>18069494
I'm not, actually, I was one of the people making fun of the retarded troll.
>>18069502
This watch was definitely made before the acquisition.

>>18067949
how the fuck do I open pic? I found a old one but I cannot open it to swap the battery.

>>18069506
>This watch was definitely made before the acquisition.
Richmont acquired VC in 1996. The Overseas was the first new watch line developed under Richemont ownership. The second generation Overseas came in 2004.

>>18069512
It wasn't an overseas. I don't know what the model was.

>Boccia watches
>100m WR Titanium cases
>Sapphire crystals
>$100-$200 price range
What's the catch here

>>18069518
Probably Chinese QC.

>>18069518
>100m WR
Scratch that, most are 50, but the point still stands
>>18069521
I can see this being the case. Going through all of their product pages, I don't see a "Made in [Country]" label anywhere.

>>18069495
NOW

NEW NEW NEW
>>18069528
>>18069528
>>18069528
>>18069528

>>18069258
>After years of
>>looking at pictures of watches
+
>>thinking about watches
+
>>dreaming about watches
+
>>reading about watches
+
>>watching videos about watches
+
>>listening to podcasts about watches
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>>discussing watches
+
>>arguing about watches
+
>>saving for watches
+
>>buying watches
+
>>selling watches
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>>rebuying watches
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>I can safely say I only like maybe 10 watches, and at least 5 of them are from Rolex.

One Rolex (DJ36 steel, grey tapestry dial). Others: JLC AMVOX 1 (Green Ti), JLC AMVOX 2 (two of them: one Ti, one in platinum), JLC Master RDM RG (not ultra thin), Lange 1 Moonphase YG, AP Star Wheel YG.
The only watch I would possibly buy in future is PP Golden Ellipse. I don't think I'm missing anything. I'm 47.

>>18068949

>>18069258
>10 watches
That many?
>5 of them are from Rolex
THAT MANY?!

>>18068932
seething

NEW THREAD
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