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>>18060432
This looks great, wow.

>>18060432
OP IS A THREADSPLITTING SEETHING POORFAGGOT

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>>18060460
Here, this general is for you
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>>18060464
Cope and seethe you narcissist faggot. This thread will hit bump replies before your own thread. And I'll make another one after that. And another one.

>>18060432
soon

>>18060432
Is two tone based or cringe?

>>18060482
>Datejust
based
>Everything else
cringe

It's that simple.

>>18060482
its based as fuck, wear a 2tone datejust and you CANNOT lose in life

>>18060488
Two tone Santos is pretty classic too.

Tank Normale > Tank Louis

>>18060478
>tfw i got caught holding grt and rose
>i'll never make it

hello

>>18060632
based

>>18060632
eat shit LOL UGLY SHITTER

>>18060511
Any Tank is nice as long as it's yellow gold. They just don't look right in white metals.

>>18060632
Based Poly- wool enjoyer.

>>18060732
Standard Tank? I agree.
Normale or Cintrée, I think white gold or platinum look good.

I did enjoy the Sun yesterday with my Tudor Prince Date Day

>>18060968
Is the Normale a regular production model again?

>>18061089
No, they've made a limited series last year but that's it.
Cartier is beyond retarded when it comes to their iconic models.
>Which watch should we reissue next? Cristallor? Gondole? Tank à Vis? Tonneau? Ceinture?
>Nah, let's make the Tank American in 46mm and with an automatic movement

>>18061144
Lies and slander.
Cartier will put quartz in as many Tanks as possible. Automatics are for the pants-shittingly ugly Santos XL/skeleton.
>tfw no Basculante reissue

>>18061144
That’s a bummer. I owned a Normale about 15 years ago before I knew what it was and foolishly sold it.

I would like to see Cartier resurrect their bespoke service, like they used to have. Like, there were no truly production models. Everything was made to order.

>>18061159
Which G shock is that?

>>18061181
this one
rangeman 9400

>>18061186
Nice. I love all the functionality in it, but it’s unfortunately too big for my wrist.

>>18061189
I have the ideal 7 inch wrist so I can go big or small

any invicta chads lurking?

>want a simple, clean-looking field watch with the minutes printed on the outside of the dial for easy reference
> All of the watches that have this feature are 40mm and too big for my wrists
pain and suffering
any recommendations for a 36-38mm field watch with a white/cream dial that has the minutes printed on the outside?

>>18061229
Adding unnecessary numbers/text is the opposite of “clean-looking”.

>>18061229
SNK803 is for you.

Convince me not to spend $260 on this

>>18061270
What is it? Chinese?

>>18061302
Unfortunately

>>18061316
Then I don’t think it’s going to be hard to talk you out of it.

>>18061194
i have a coke 1953

you watch /fa/gs oughta stay home and watch out watches will be stolen and u will be jumped and beat for it

>>18061236
my srpg35
there are new 5 Sports with cream dials I think

>>18061363
who is this ugly creep?

>>18061347
But my beautiful shark wife

>>18060432
>the DJ looks like THAT with a leather strap
brb going to buy a DJ

This dieal layout fixes a lot about the Aerospace.

>massive 12 numeral replaced by winged logo
>3/6/9 numerals are slimmer

On the normal Aerospace, the numerals are massive and mirror-like.
I even like the red fade.

>>18061612
for comparison

>>18061612
it's also nice that they moved away from the monopusher design. i loved my aerospace but trying to set the time was always a pain. the 3 button layout should hopefully turn it into a more familiar operation.

>>18061612
And they fucked it up. Thanks Obama. And it's fucking $5k HOLY SHIT. For a $1k watch max. Old ones going 2-3x already?

>>18061623
It's a new movement: B70 instead of the usual B79

>>18061625
How did they fuck it up?

>>18061612
this watch looks like it came in the box with a limited edition XBOX 360

>>18061612
Is that the new Aerospace? God, that looks fucking awful.

>>18061634
>How did they fuck it up?
Too big, too thick. The old ones were 100m WR, 40mm, and around 10mm thick.

With the old ones, you could control everything with the crown. No extra pushers needed. It was a little fiddly to get used to, but once you learned, it was actually a very slick system.

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>>18061619
the older one still looks nicer, but im not a fan of the window screens. Mine also has accuracy problems even right after i had Breitling service it for like $400-600

>>18061786
what sort of accuracy issues? mine was doing about +6 seconds per year when i sold it

>>18061786
The LCD screens were fragile, but in terms of timekeeping, they're still thermocompensated quartz.

>>18061791
I dont remember it's been a while since i tested it but i gained like 30 seconds in a week last time i checked i think. I should have measured more carefully and gone back to them and made them redo it but that was like 5+ years ago so that work wouldnt be covered anymore. Setting it has been a pain in the ass several times too. It was an inherited watch, i mostly just like it because the titanium is so light and low profile.

When /fa/ talks about how watches other than rolex and casio are "obscure", what do they mean? I feel like I'm living in an alternate reality where all these "obscure" brands are completely mainstream meanwhile people online talk about it like you have to dive into the deepest recesses of usenet to learn about these things

>>18061877
Disgusting

>>18061159
>Islander
Oh no no no no no no hahahahahahahahaha

>>18061877
I’ve literally never seen someone IRL wearing a watch from a brand besides Rolex, Tudor, seiko, Casio, Cartier, or Omega. Almost all normies are watchless or have smart watch bullshit. I live in a very metropolitan city and work a high end corporate job so I feel as though I would see other brands.

>>18061773
Looks pretty much exactly like the normal current Aerospace, except it has way nicer numerals.
Maybe you just don't like the dial color.

>>18061777
>Too big, too thick. The old ones were 100m WR, 40mm, and around 10mm thick.
It's the exact same size and WR as the current regular Aerospace, outside of the extra 2mm thickness.

>With the old ones, you could control everything with the crown.
Which was always a major downside to them. You had to do literally everything with one single input, which always took forever.

>>18061786
This just looks very dated.

>>18061877
For some reasons /wt/ is convinced only nerds care about watches.
When you tell them it's a multi-billions industry that throws millions of dollars at Hollywood A-listers to wear their watches in block busters movies, all they have to say is
>b-b-b-but nobody but me wears a watch!!!!
There are watches boutiques in every cities in the world, hundreds of new releases every year, IG accounts followed by millions of people.... but no, according to the retards from /wt/ only them know about the Datejust, the Speedmaster and the Reverso.

>>18062104
/wt/ has the same blindspots as all watch nerds who only see the importance and popularity of the watches they like.Working in the field coming from that kind of mindset, you quickly see how wrong you are :
>anyone who tells you "women aren't into watches" hasn't worked in the field, ever. Half your battery changes will be on small Cartier, sub 36mm Breitling and TAG, Longines with mother-of-pearl dials and/or stone indices. The Longines Grand Classique is ridiculously common and you'll never see anyone in your typical watch circles ever mention it. Women aren't just into watches, they might be the ones who buy the most, they just aren't into higher end, mechanical ones
>TAG might be the most recognized brand for people over 30 thanks to their presence in sporting events and the Formula 1 being a huge hit
>Tissot is one of the best sold brands among normies because they are what they'll find at the lowest prices when going to a "real jeweler" instead of the watch corner at the mall. And because they are build well enough and have some mechanical offers, many a normie think they are really good
>if you're not in a major city, then popularity and awareness among normies really depends on who gets distributed by the brick and mortar stores. I've been working in the same store, in a mid-sized euro town for over two years now and I have seen three or four Seiko, meanwhile I see as many Ebel every week. Not because Ebel is doing better or is more popular in general, but because one of the local big and trusted jewelers had worked with Ebel for decades while no one distributes Seiko in the general
>associating and marketing WORKS. everyone knows TAG because you see their logo at every car or bike race. Tons of 35 and younger normies know Hublot because a bunch of athletes wear them. Panerai got some good traction thanks to Stalone and Schwartzeneger to this day even though neither of them have worn one in years.
Tl;dr : quartz shitters make the world go round

>>18062104
the part that baffles me is how they manage to never notice the inconsistencies of their beliefs. on the one hand, nobody wears a watch, I'm the ONLY person on earth who has heard of tag heuer. on the other hand, if I leave my mother's basement wearing a watch that costs more than $200, spies from the organized watch gang networks will instantly spot me and then shank me in broad daylight for it because even though literally nobody except watch nerds has ever heard of my high whoreology aquaracer, somehow I'm also in peril of losing my life over it if a member of the general public is allowed to see my wrist

maybe the real problem is me, I've been banned from reddit too many times to go to anywhere that respectable people congregate, so I have to slum it here with underaged shut-ins larping as adults

>>18062149
>>associating and marketing WORKS
That's another thing that annoys me about /wt/.
>DURRRR I'M NOT AN NPC I WILL NEVER BUY A ROLEX
Says the autist with a blue dial 40mm stainless steel sports watch on his wrist.

FUCK I hate this place

>>18062159
>the rolex bot seethes at someone who uses logic
never seen that before

>>18061957
It's a good fucking watch.

>>18062165
Cope.
Nothing screams more NPC than "blue dial stainless steel sports watch".

>>18062170
yes it does? Rolex + iphone + vaxxed

>>18062170
oh shit

>>18062190
>>18062170
Is our president an NPC?

>>18062149
> sub 36mm Breitling and TAG, Longines with mother-of-pearl dials and/or stone indices.
I used to work with this ultra-normie basic bitch becky with an iced out mop rolex that she bought for herself (no boyfriends involved). granted she had rich parents and she bought it without thinking too hard about it but /wt/ would have you believe women only wear watches when males use them as gifts to mark their property

of the two people I know with a nomos, one of them is a woman. it's her shitter for when she doesn't want to wear anything obviously expensive (once you have fuck you money, 4-figure watches count as down to earth)

>>18062197
Obviously rich women don't count, they see Bella Thorne with two diamond Rolexes on Instagram and they just buy retard.

>>18062207
you think men don't see the reddit pastas about downed aviators in nazi germany and think "oh wow I wanna be like the cool RAF pilots"? or that's different because incel logic?

>>18062213
It kind of is different though? One is interested in history and the amazing things that the people who came before did that shaped the way the world is today and connecting to what life was like back then. The other is literally following a fashion ad.

>>18062218
it's exactly the same thing, both are marketing-induced purchase decisions reduced to gender roles to the point of near caricature. all you're saying here is man good woman bad, I've literally had sex with other men and even I'm not this gay

>>18062224
Retard lol.

>>18062225
I might be the dumbest guy ever to live but even I can see when someone is being played like a fiddle, how innocent you are

>>18062224
>ww2 was marketing
What was the product? I must have missed what the product ww2 was advertising was. Was it really all a campaign to sell clothes and jewelry?

>>18062229
I'm actually impressed by how dimwitted you are

>>18062237
No, really, explain your logic to me of how WW2 prisoners of war sell watches precisely the same way instagram influencers sell watches. I'm really at a loss for how retarded this argument is.

>>18062213
It's entirely different. Men and women relate to media in totally different ways.

>>18062241
do you think bella thorn's dad ejaculating in bella thorn's mom was marketing?

men want to be like war heroes. women want to be pretty like the pretty model. how do you not get this?

>>18062248
Bella Thorn posts those pictures to advertise brand and lifestyle though. Nobody fought in WW2 hoping a picture of them wearing their Hamilton would bring brand awareness to Hamilton.

>>18062254
I feel like I'm trying to explain the difference between "the yahoo" and "safari" to my 85 year old aunt, this is just going to irritate both of us so let's just agree to call each other names and move on

>>18062259
Not an argument. I accept your concession.

>>18062254
I'm not the anon you're replying to but you're indeed a retarded incel
>HAHAHAHA WOMEN ARE SO DUMB, I'M A FREETHINKER

He's describing a mechanism, you fat neckbeard. Your choice is determined by associating a watch, A FASHION OBJECT, to someone's else life.
>men want to be like real life heroes (or athletes, or fictional characters or whatever)
>women want to be like Instagram celebrities
Is being inspired by a soldier more respectable than Bella Thorne? Sure why not, but the principle is literally the same. We're talking about a fantasy purchase in both case.

Also keep in mind brands are spending millions on brand ambassadors just to influence MEN.
>Daniel Craig at Omega
>Roger Federer at Rolex
>Rafael Nadal at Richard Mille
>Lenny Kravitz at JLC
>Brad Pitt at Breitling
>Ryan Gosling at Tag Heuer
>Rami Malek at Cartier
Tissot is even paying Twitch streamers to wear their shitters now. You think brands wouldn't do that if that wasn't profitable?
Men are pathetic as women when it comes to fashion. Don't assume you're not an NPC too because I guarantee you've been influenced too, lardass.

>>18062291
Nobody said women are dumb but you.

>>18062291
You're still failing to acknowledge that MLK didn't wear a datejust to make you want a datejust.

Those people you're naming DO wear watches and deliberately post photos and talk about them to promote the brand and their lifestyles.

Even if you do buy a watch because it makes you think of a historical time or place or person or whatever it's still miles away from being sold a product by a spokesperson.

>>18061877
Ask your acquaintances if they know what Vacheron Constantin manufactures, or Richard Mille, or Jaeger-LeCoultre, and see if they have a clue.
Of course, some people know about watch brands, but most just don't care, and those aren't brands like Omega, which has product placements in 007 movies, or PP, which in my country is a brand associated with opulent luxury in popular culture.
A couple of days ago I was at a rehearsal and a guy was wearing an Explorer 2, I asked him which year it was from because it looked odd, he said he got it in '93 and I said it was likely much older than that.
He then replied it actually was and he had the dial replaced.
For just that he asked me if I was very passionate about watches, so to most people if you know anything beyond the basics you must be very passionate about something.

>>18062218
>ingroup member buys a watch because they've seen it on someone cool
>interested in history and the amazing things that the people who came before did that shaped the way the world is today and connecting to what life was like back then
>outgroup member buys a watch because they've seen it on someone cool
>literally following a fashion ad
It's the exact same principle of wanting to associate with someone you find cool regardless of the reasons and rationalizations for finding them cool, if you believe otherwise you're falling for marketing twice.

>>18062302
>Fuckin' A, mayn, mah pappy got oneothem JAY JAY LA COOTERS, I's hopin' 'el lemme git it when he's gone.

>>18062306
You don't see any difference at all in choosing to buy something because of its heritage and association with people doing great things, or being sold a product by someone who specifically aimed to sell you the product?

>>18061423

The same tiresome
>I like the popular thing but for the RIGHT reasons so i’m not a mindless NPC like the rest of the sheeple.
cope.

>>18062190
>>18062191
He probably thinks they're the same watch

>>18062315
By your own admission they are the right reasons, so we are in the right.

>>18062311
The process in the buyer's head is indeed the same, yes.
Regardless of the reasons and rationalizations for finding the people you've seen wearing that watch cool and wanting to associate with them, you ask?
Yes, regardless of them.
>but I'm not being the target of a voluntary act of persuasion
That's absolutely true. If that's what makes all the difference for you, even though you're buying a watch not because of its looks, its precision, its convenience, its price... but because of the sense of belonging it gives you, then good for you for having found what makes you feel good.

>>18062322
I don't think people buy old handwinding trench watches for a "sense of belonging." Call me crazy.

>>18062325
You're not crazy, you're naive.

>>18062291
>>Roger Federer at Rolex
I doubt he ever got any money actually. He has to buy the watches that he wears for them.

One interesting aspect to this particular movement is that adjustments have been made to the train, which appear to have been intended to reduce the amount of power reaching the escapement and balance wheel. The reason for doing so may be that the movement was showing excessive amplitude, possibly as a result of the sensitivity that this movement reputedly shows to variations in mainspring strength. The solution used in this case was to bend the tension spring which regulates the sweep seconds pinion’s motion, so as to put more drag on the pinion and subtract power from the train. As a result, some wear is visible on the sweep seconds pinion. Functionally this is not likely to cause significant wear to the pinion itself, at least not in the immediate future, although as far as the tension spring is concerned it is probable that it would need to be replaced due to wear in a much shorter time frame.

>>18062356
lmao no
Rolex uses his image for promotional use: they're paying him.

>>18062359
Maybe, but he is buying the watches from them. I'm not making that up. He probably gets a salary, but he has to pay for their product.

Kofe time.

>>18062366
beautiful watch :)

>>18062302
You are fucking insane, everyone knows those brands. It would be like "durr do you know what gucci is, it's a very obscure brand of shoes

You might have a point if you swapped mortz grossman and gerald genta for VC or JLC but we're talking about MAINSTREAM brands here, you seem to think your "obscure" brands aren't blasted across all forms of media on the equivalent of 150 foot billboards with 120 decibel loudspeakers 24/7

>>18062358
Another interesting thing is that it’s a JLC movement that Vacheron couldn’t even be arsed to finish to Geneva Seal standards.

Just put it behind a closed case back, lmao.

>>18062302
>>18062371
Normal people have never heard of PP, AP or VC. They have heard of Rolex and Omega, probably TAG, and often Breitling. Germans and Mercedes drivers know about IWC, but it's definitely less known than the others mentioned here. Beware the power of TAG, most brands are afraid that they raise prices and increase prestige, because TAG is insanely well recognized in the world due to their long history with motorsports and ambassadors. TAG basically invented ambassadors anyway.

But yeah, no fucking way anyone without a watch collection knows about JLC, VC, or even Panerai. If you think that you must dwell in a basement. And nobody knows what they "manufacture", to them a Rolex is a Rolex.

>>18062384
>Another interesting thing is that it’s a JLC movement
He says, admiring his Hamilton Jazzmaster ETA machine.

>>18062389
I accept your concession.

>>18062393
It's an exclusive and in-house movement, nice try though.

>https://watchbase.com/vacheron-constantin/caliber/1126-sc

>>18062386
>manufacture manufacture manufacture
this reminds me of 10 years ago when all you neckbeards could say was "in house movement" and "horological virtue"

yes, normal people have heard of PP, AP, and VC, just like normal people play video games and have seen star wars movies, those things don't make you a "geek" or a "nerd", you are not privy to some secret information, this is a massively lucrative industry that is pouring oceans of money into making sure you (a normie) know who they are and know just how cool you are if you own one or if you can't swing that, at least name drop them

>>18062358
>>18062384
That’s actually inexcusable. The one thing VC does well is finishing. At the very least they could do better than the JLC factory finish.
For them to just shovel that sort of work on to their customers is either desperation driven by financial crisis or just treating their customers like saps.

>>18062398
>yes, normal people have heard of PP, AP, and VC
No they haven't you turd. Stop lying through your teeth. You literally don't know any normal people to begin with. Robert Downey Jr didn't know what Patek was until his wife gave him a Nautilus as gift, you turd.

>>18062399
>At the very least they could do better than the JLC factory finish.
There is a massive difference in finish between the base and the VC modified movement brah. Stop being disingenuous. Look at this trash.

>>18062400
>normal people don't know these things
>but here is how these watches fit into the lives of these rich and famous people
can you just stop for a minute and think about what you just said? if you don't laugh at yourself I don't know what to tell you

>>18062395
It’s built off the JLC 889. This is well known.

>>18062404
Sure, but the VC modified version is exclusive to this watch and the base version is exclusive to JLC. Both are Richemont brands so it's in-house.

>>18062401
Fuck I posted the wrong movement.

>>18062358 and
>>18062401
Are not worlds apart. It could just be the quality of the photo but the JLC looks better.

Used Overseas anon is just having another meltdown. Buyer’s remorse is a bastard.

>>18062406
>Both are Richemont brands so it's in-house

Oh, that’s beautiful cope.

>>18062407
>Are not worlds apart. It could just be the quality of the photo but the JLC looks better.
Are you blind, stupid or both?

>m-meltdown
lol he said it again, this time maybe it's true r-right?

>>18062408
I accept your concession, now remove yourself from the vicinity of this thread before I demolish you further.

>>18062393
>>18062409
>I accept your concession
Huh. I guess that’s a new one for you, eh?

>>18062406
In-group =/= in-house. No matter how much Richemont and Swatch love to pretend otherwise.
Or else Tissot is 100% in-house I guess since Swatch owns ETA.

>>18062409
Why don’t you shut everyone up and post a wrist shot? Is it still being shipped to you? Was it in beat up condition or something? Was is not the Super-rep that the website promised it would be?

>>18062414
The other possibility is that the Overcel is a wristlet and knows the watch is way too big.

>>18062411
Butthurt. I'm terribly sorry you're broke and can't afford a holy trinity piece, don't take it out on me you tosser. I wonder why though, surely you have a great job that allows you to post 24/7 lmao. I swear whenever I post, days apart, you are here. This is delicious. Absolutely delicious. I feed on your pathetic existence, pleb.

>>18062413
>In-group =/= in-house.
Says who? You? kek

>Or else Tissot is 100% in-house I guess since Swatch owns ETA.
Unfortunately, it is. Still shit, but it is in-house. Just in-house shit. The problem is movement exclusivity, not who made it originally.

>>18062414
Suck my big fat dick, tranny.

>>18062418
>>18062414
>exactly the double post time limit apart

Your samefag is showing, poorfag.

>>18062418
>Overcel
Perfection

what watches did the indian cargo ship crew wear?

>>18062425
>indian
Well...
Shitters.

>>18062419
>Says who?
Say most who take issue with what is happening to Longines as the most obvious example, which used to fully own its ability to build movements and now strictly relies on an outside company.
The two being owned by the same corporate investment and asset management group doesn't make them the same company.
Same is happening with IWC which has been poached to create ValFleurier and supply Richemont with movements instead of having each brand even able to build them in the case of IWC and B&M. JLC's production is still in-house, Panerai's never was.
Saying that in-group is similar to in-house is a good way for the larger groups to maintain some luster, in the same way they claim that ETA and Sellita movements are "modified" because they bought them unregulated and had an operator regulate them. It's not completely wrong but it is misleading the consumer.

>>18062432
>Say most
Provide some proof of what you're claiming. All I see is the opinion of one sad individual. By all accounts, the Breitling Tudor movement swap is in house. Your point?

>>18062432
>Same is happening with IWC which has been poached to create ValFleurier and supply Richemont with movements instead of having each brand even able to build them in the case of IWC and B&M. JLC's production is still in-house, Panerai's never was.
Then you’ve got hybrids like Piaget that use both in-house movements and off-the-shelf ValFleurier movements.

>>18062432
>The two being owned by the same corporate investment and asset management group doesn't make them the same company.
Wrong and only someone who has never worked a day in his life would say such a thing. They are identical companies selling you differently named products. At the end of the day, all Omegas are Swatch Group watches, they're just their Omega models. This is the physical reality of it.

Once again, your mention of the term in-house is antiquated and idiotic. The problem with the ETA shitters wasn't who made the movement but that every piece of shit from a $400 Hamilton to a $4000 IWC was using it. This is disgusting.

Movements that are exclusive to a handful of brands are generally considered in-house movements by todays standards. If you think that the movement is more valuable if it wasn't bought from an external company, I agree. In this case, all Richemont movements are produced internally, not bought by Swatch or another company. And yet, Breitling using Tudor without modification (aside mainspring material) is considered an in-house movement.

So it is totally accurate to claim that VC using JLC movements is in-house and exclusive, being that no other watches use either the movement or the base movement outside the companies.

>>18062425
>hmt, sir, very good watch, perfected the dial myself, sir

>>18062190
>>18062191
He also owns a Seiko 7T32-6M90 Chronograph, which makes him the first President to own and wear a Seiko while in office I believe.

>>18062438
>Movements that are exclusive to a handful of brands are generally considered in-house movements by todays standards.

No they aren’t. That’s why non-shill reviews always point out when a movement claims to be in-house but is actually group.

>>18062442
>non-shill reviews
lmao nice head-canon. So all reviews you dislike are shills, and those who share your incorrect ideas are not shills. What a surprise.

>in-house
>in-group

Do you realize that nobody gives a fuck? Not collectors, not dealers, not anybody? In-group is plenty good enough for todays standards of watchmaking. You're acting like the person wearing an Omega badge must be making the chronograph movement, and not someone wearing an ETA badge, while both are employed by the legal entity Swatch Group, otherwise it's not in-house. Are you that fucking dumb and underage, pal? I'm so sorry for you.

>>18062435
My point is, when you are not building the movement, but a company owned by the same financial entity that owns you does, they you are not building the movement. Especially when there is no overlap in personel and machinery between the two companies.
All of that is used a whole lot to muddle the transparancy of parts origin and production lines so you can project a more prestigious image with "in-house" movements where all the in-house work was engraving the oscillating weight, "factory-designed" movements with chablons built in Asia, smoke and mirrors everywhere so brands don't have to admit that they mostly do casing and dial work.

>>18062442
>non-shill reviews
good luck finding those. it’s usually the comment sections that have to police the reviewers and remind them that, yes, that iwc’s got a baumatic or that vc fifty-six has a cartier 1904mc.

>>18062448
But this isn't a valid point. Again, all these companies are the same company. They only work in a different building. The level of semantics you are stooping to is ludicrous, even among watch collectors. I'll repeat, nobody in the world is calling Breitling watches not in house for using the Tudor movement out of their swap deal. Only you are doing that, on 4chan of all places.

Are you aware that car makers (including Ferrari) don't make the engine blocks themselves? They're bought by a third party and they build the engine around it. I guess you're the guy debating with the Ferrari dealer that the engine isn't in-house because the block wasn't molded by a Ferrari employee, trying to secure a 0,2% discount.

>>18062449
Let's get this straight buddy
>that iwc’s got a baumatic
In house and in group
>or that vc fifty-six has a cartier 1904mc.
Not in house and not in group, it's a Swatch movement. I am opposed to this

Imagine spending 100k eurobucks on a Vacheron perpetual calendar only to realize Richemont encased the same movement in
>14k Montblanc
>30k Baume & Mercier
>60k Piaget
That's what "in group" means.

>>18062452
But it IS a valid point.
ALS makes their movements in their own factory in Glashuette. JLC makes their movements in their own factory in LeSentier.
Panerai claims to have in-house movements even though their facilities have no capacity for movement manufacturing.

It can’t be in-house if it’s made by someone else.

>>18062455
VC uses Swatch derived movements? Oh god, how will VC sisters ever recover?

>>18062457
>But it IS a valid point.
Still isn't.

>JLC makes their movements in their own factory in LeSentier.
Sure. They make them for Richemont, under the Richemont umbrella. All Richemont watches using it are using an in house movement.

>It can’t be in-house if it’s made by someone else.
It's not made by someone else. It's made by whoever owns the product. Richemont owns the movement IP and its production. The JLC caliber is a Richemont product being made by their movement making people at JLC, for use by their watchmaking people at VC.

How the fuck are you resisting this simple legal fact? "JLC" only exists because Richemont calls it that. JLC is not a company anymore.

>>18062460
Unfortunately yes, in my opinion a disgrace, that's why you should only buy the JLC based movements.

>>18062456
the really shocking thing here is that there are people who will spend $30k on a baume & mercier, what the fuck?

>>18062190
>>18062191
Biden has based taste. Sneed, semenmastet, and dj

>>18062461
>that's why you should only buy the JLC based movements.
Since they make their own movements in house now, I’d stick to those and avoid any risk.

>>18062471
Those new movements are a mixed bag. 60 hour power reserve is kind of shit for a watch sold as of today, and the new movement doesn't hack. That's a lot of shit to swallow for a Geneva seal. Keep in mind they are double the money, for no technical advantage. But to each his own.

>>18062096
Yes, those 6 brands are the only relevant ones for 99 percent of people. I should sell my homos but it's muh dress watch

>>18062472
Within reason, I don’t really care about things like power reserve or hacking when it comes to high horology. It’s about the masterful finishing work.

I mean, otherwise just buy a Rolex.

>>18062484
I'm less concerned as long as the movement is finished to an above and beyond standard.

>AP using a JLC movement

Do we tolerate this?

>>18062491
Nope, but AP is just a fashion brand for basketball-Americans to flex anyway.

>>18062493
True. It's been ruined by blacks.

>>18062491
I vaguely recall that their JLC based movements were more desirable than their "upgraded" in-house movements. I think the in-house movements were finished to a lower standard and their might have been some technical differences. It has been a few years and I don't care about AP at all so I might be misremembering.

>>18062493
Found bittercel 21 minutes in. Holy fuck this guy is unbearable
https://youtu.be/gLYypW0uGOM

>hey anon what time is it

>wait up I need to scan the QR code

>>18062371
>everyone knows these brands
Right, just ask a few acquaintances then.

>>18061423
why the fuck do you have your watch on the wrong hand???

>>18062583
It's not wrong if you aren't left handed. Npc moment

>>18062585
Are left handed*

>my grandma and the cleaning lady at my part-time job at Burger King have never heard about Patek Philippe therefore nobody has
You niggers are hopeless

>>18062556
Like I said, you are insane

>>18062313
i like that colorway, how many seconds fast or slow is it?
mine is about 10 seconds fast a day

>>18062366
you fucking suck

>>18062583
because I'm a lefty and it feels wrong + would get scratched to shit

>>18062600
I haven't worn it in a while, so I can't exactly say for sure. I do think mine was gaining too. Probably half that.

>>18060632
Beautiful man. Love it.

Citizen Eco-Drive on the wrist today. What are you wearing, frens?

>>18061523
Man. Go ahead and buy your cheap shit chinese if you want. Truthfully a lot of other watches are just cheap Chinese shit anyway. That doesn't mean. This poorly made. Quality standards have universally went up across the board.

If you like that cheesy sport fishman dial than have at it. The overall design aesthetic is subtle and Not flashy. Looks wearable. You'll especially want to use that watch when you are going out on your sport fishing craft.. I buy cheap Chinese stuff too. If I feel the design is beautiful than I don't care what anyone else thinks.

>>18062626
WE KNOW
WE KNOW YOU OWN THAT WATCH
FUCKING BUY A DIFFERENT ONE

>>18062638
He doesn't need to lad. He's retarded.

>>18062638
>FUCKING BUY A DIFFERENT ONE
why?

>>18062191
No man. Class watches. He done well.
He's a man of the people. That's what he's supposed to wear. He can't wear freaking high horologly patek Phillipe or anything like that.

>>18062653
>his handlers won't even give him a president daydate
>he done welll

>>18062660
That is too a president bracelet. Nowadays they call that jubilee but it indeed does the hidden clasp which is what the "president bracelet" is known for.

>>18062630
>sport fishing craft
I dont fish. This is Gura's merch and why i'd buy it.

>>18062660
Actually, I'm probably buying my wife a very similar model to this. I just dont have 8k atm.. gotta figure that out. Meh.. its not that much money. I can pool that together quickly enough.

The interesting thing about rolex is that the combination gold stainless models (a.k.a. rolesor) are very similarly priced to the full stainless models. This makes the rolesor option quite compelling. I wonder if that's what Biden has. If it's white gold you could even tell by looking at it. It has the same appearance as full stainless.

>>18062678
Oh man. If that's some influencer merch and you don't even fish I'd pass. Its clearly a fisherman inspired watch. Nah...

>>18062682
Biden has the all steel version. Smooth bezel.

>>18062662
its not a day date though,,,
Its a DJ, so it cant be a president

>>18062678
weird shut-in pedo anime streamer watch?
okay lmao

>>18062683
I honestly dont even see that besides the fish bones but not surprising since all i see is gura. Weird this picture doesnt show her trident as the seconds hand, thats like the best part.

>>18062678
I mean I'd that's what you're wearing looking at I can point you towards a lot nicer looking cheap Chinese shit watches than that.

>>18062662
The President bracelet is made of precious metal and is a three link design.

>>18062690
this is fucking embarrassing
please never wear a watch again

>>18062694
>>18062689
Yes of course being a vtuber fan is an embarrassment but whatever, gura makes me happy and this is merch i could actually wear that's subtle

>>18060456
>>18061538
One of the great Catch 22s in watches is that Rolexes look so good on leather straps but hardly anybody knows it because the bracelets are so good. Nobody wants to take them off the bracelets if they don't have to. Certainly not the daydate.

>>18062686
You are right. The president style jubilee bracelet is only available on the case sizes smaller than 41mm. The watches with smaller case sizes 35, 31, 28mm may be able to have a preside style bracelet. I'm not sure I didn't check them a but I did check the 31mm case. That one can have a president/jubilee bracelet.
I just confirmed this in the configurator.

So even if this watch has rolesor it indeed does not that a president style bracelet. Well w/e man. It's still rolex. That's a classy watch.. it looks great Biden. I'm more of a trump guy though.. but Biden has some nice watches.

>>18062693
I know. Now they call it rolesor jubilee. I mean the full gild bracelet is called president style. I thought presodne t style had to do with the clasp.

>>18062690
This watch doesn't even capture your favorite anime accurately. Pass.

Why is no one making a cope version of this? There are millions Rolex cope, but hardly any Cartier cope and literally 0 Cartier Crash cope.
>inb4 Dali Soft Watch
It's not available anymore.

>>18062702
speaking of..
does anyone know what watches are in Trump's collection?
He just released some goofy ass gold basketball shoes, I'm surprised my man hasn't tried to market a Trump Watch

>>18062709
To make dials and glasses in these shapes you need a good level of economy of scale to have it be profitable with the machinery required and the amount of time required.

>>18062718
And yet they made these cheap shitters in the 1980s (it's stainless steel).

>>18062723
forgot pic

Bros I need a Cartier Tank so fucking bad

>>18062727
Get a Reverso instead. It’s the more masculine watch. (I’m sure the guy who bought one and hated it will chime in)

>>18062726
>we have Crash at home.

>>18062723
>>18062726
And why exactly do you think they stopped then?
because you need to make and sell a whole lot of them, or a whole lot of another model made with the same machines, in order to break even.

>>18062727
It's too late for Cartier. They're too expensive now. Any 1980s Tank Louis with an ETA movement and service dial is listed 9k+.
Thankfully there are still some nice deals to be made. I've recently bought a 1960s Vacheron in yellow gold, JLC movement and super thin case. Perfect condition, original buckle, recently serviced, paid less than 4k. I won't post it because the tasteless poorfags from /wt/ don't deserve to see it.

>>18062754
>And why exactly do you think they stopped then?
These were literally gift shop watches. Sold at the Dali Museum in Spain.
They've made a handful of these watches, sold them as a funny souvenir to tourists (probably with a fat margin), and that was it.

>>18062491
>Do we tolerate this?
Like if the opinion of a few poorfags who can't afford their watches would matter to them.
LMAO

>>18062777
This is unironically the only reason I visit these threads. Seiko wearers writing walls of text about AP, PP and VC.

>>18062730
Definitely looks good but it seems like they only make them in rose gold, I much prefer yellow

>>18062710
There's little doubt. Trump has excellent taste in watches

That's a little too expensive for a man of the people. He should switch to rolex if he gets elected. I hope he does.

>>18062802
Here's another trump watch. Good taste. Love it.

>>18062778
That, and watching some guy who bought a VC have a full seizure because he’s easily baited by those same Seiko owners.

>>18062804
>>18062802
very nice, respectable choices

>>18060432
Hey about the cheap shit chinese watches. I Love those too. This is my personal watch. It just arrived today. It's an Aragon caprice chronograph. I really like how Wing did the dial. Now on have a bunch of straps to try it with. Watch cost $111.

>>18062805
>it's an in-house VC movement because JLC isn't a real company!
In other news : this is a Jaguar

The last pics were a little low rez. Here's a better one.

I'm psyched about my cheap shit chinese watch.

It's an affordable watch but I'm pretty happy with it.

>>18062832
>>18062837
Did you check if the big date is synchronized?
>inb4 33rd of march

>>18062842
The big Date dual wheel was set correctly to date as well as timezone. I live in NY and he ships those watches out of Florida. I didn't even need to set the time. Lel. I love wings aragon watches. Hopefully ill be able to resists buying any more of those and instead save up for something fancy like a rolex.

>>18062860
No, I mean, did you check if it's two wheels/stars that need to be synchronized? Because if that's the case then there's always a risk of shoddy QC and you'd end up having a date window that counts up to the 39th of the month.

>>18062804
Fuck that vacheron is based trump has some good taste im going to sell my watches now and donate

I did find a small chink in the armor of the aragon caprice. This small part where the dish is machined out isn't also colored blue. I wish it was. Oh well it's a small takeaway. This is an affordable watch after all. You can hardly see that. I'm still pretty stoked with it. A lot of other more expensive watches don't dare to do such radical things with a deep dish dial design.

>>18062902
Because extra deep dials look like shit anon

I like this watch

>>18062912
No I disagree. Extra deep dials are the future of good looking watches. There's the potential for so much depth and personality. Just ask rexhepi.

>>18062915
>glock
>I like this watch

Yeah, you would. Wouldn't you?

>>18062701
>nobody knows they look so good on leather strap
That's even better, that way I can look original as well while wearing a watch from a recognizable brand.
The best of both worlds, I was on the fence because the all grey DJ didn't seem sporty enough for a sport watch nor formal enough for a formal watch and a two tone seemed too gaudy, but a two tone DJ on a leather strap is a thing of beauty, I wouldn't wear it with a tux (maybe) or a tracksuit (maybe) but I can realistically wear it with anything else, maybe optionally changing between a black and a brown/blue/green strap if I want it to look a bit more or less formal.
This might be the time I get a DJ for real.

>>18062915
Did you see glock is making watches now? There's a whole online store for them, for about $700 you can get a big integrated rubber strap seiko skeletonized movement shitter. I couldn't believe how much they were charging for what you get.

>>18062702
>president/jubilee
The president and jubilee are two different bracelets.

18k fake rolex

>>18062977
Who the fuck buys this

>>18062977
>gold and green
might as well just slap a rolex logo on there drop the pretense

friends
I have reached a significant amount of savings and I will now buy a watch thats between 1.3k and 2k
goal is to buy my first rolex after I reach the second landmark

can you recommend some watches for that range? looking for something smart casual, I dont like diving watches that arent Rolex as I belong to circles that either have Rolex or are in a position to buy one so its bad optics to settle for less, thus I'm looking for other types of watches that has a story

>>18062982
indians, probably

>>18062960
lmao this is awful
I like my glock but they should really stick to handguns
>600 dollars gets you 10bar

>>18062977
You can buy nearly 2 real watches for that price?

>>18062993
>>18062960
oh no no no nono

>>18062997
lol vomit

>that will be 700 dollars plus tip

I dont understand why people bother with Tudor and Omega

I dont understand why people bother with Tudor and Omega.

>>18063006
Im gonna buy this oyster perpetual. Which size would be best for 7" wrist?

>>18063006
>>18063012
What don't you understand? A comparable (in the loosest sense of the term) Omega or Tudor costs half as much.

>>18063024
>save for twice as long
get the real thing instead of coping

>>18063024
The tudor and omega equivalent is uglier and inferior in every possible way. The movements are worse, the colors are worse, the hands and indexes are worse.

Maybe blue instead of black? What projects more status? I think blue?

>>18063027
Yeah I was almost trolled into buying a blackbay 54. Fuck that I will buy rolex oyster perpetual

>>18063040
How do you get trolled into buying something?

Green is a bit risky I think. Blue seems overall best bet

>>18063050
Why are you considering 40mm+ rolexes that are not dive bezels or GMT bezels?

>>18063012
They're nice watches?

>>18063054
Yeah maybe 36 is better for 7" wrist

>>18063062
Holy shit those are expensive. Back in 05 I bought a Rolex on the beach in Pattaya for $300. Nice watches tho, very reliable.

>>18063023
id buy a 41mm if i was you, honestly i think dj is the only rolex that looks good in 36mm

>>18063057
very nice collection

>>18063057
i only like the rolexes in this collection

>>18063066
Basic bitch

>>18063062
>>18063054
>>18063023
>>18063012
okay serious relpies sorry if this invites the Grand Seiko avatar fags but tell me why the OP which does not have a gmt or date functiality is better than this gmt GS. picrel is the same price range

>>18063064
Ok I decided I am going for this one

>>18062626
What's the id of this?

>>18063072
GMTs are for posers
At least chronos look cool

>>18063078
based choice

>>18063072
Loser watch. Only rolex or up

>>18063078
classic, you couldn't regret buying a watch like that

>>18063072
Op comes in better colors, more sizes for more options, doesn't have a GMT complication that's almost entirely useless if you're not frequently traveling or making phone calls outside of your tine zone, doesn't immediately lose 30-50% of its value the second you buy it new. I don't know the power reserve on the GS but I think the OPs use the new 70 hour power reserves? Seiko probably wants you to ship the watch to japan for service.

If you really like that GS and know you're going to use the GMT I'm sure you'll be happy with it. But every rolex at every price range has something going for it.

>>18063057
the santos is such a great watch. such a shame it’s prestige has been taken over by hoodlums.

>>18063096
So sweet looking. Id be afraid to scratch it tho but hey what the hell

>>18063057
still have no idea how you tell the time on that lange. How can you figure it out with no numerals, indices, or any marker? seems impossible LMFAOOOOO

Rate my seiko. My first and only watch, for now.

>>18063057
I only like lange, jlc and maybe cartier here.
fuck moser, fuck modern rolex hard.

>>18063072
I think GS (esp hi-beat) is better without GMT
The choice is yours anyway.

>>18063129
love the 5s
I replaced the crystal on mine as soon as it got scratched a few times

>>18063129
comfortable, dependable, a little boring but a solid first watch the new 5 series are fire i'm so close to pulling the trigger on this one

>>18063168
I wonder if there's an easy and cheap way seiko could prevent that that everyone has been asking them to do for years.

>>18063177
I wish the best ones weren't flieger dials. Most of them are either too big or have shit dials and hands.

>>18063181
the flieger dial is the only thing holding me back i totally get it

>>18063168
Was it worthed? The hardlex is about the only thing I fear might give me trouble

>>18063185
Seiko and citizen are the kings of building one or two really annoying flaws into otherwise great watches. They'll make an otherwise great looking watch with an interesting case shape and good dial but 3mm too wide, or they'll make it the perfect size but with the gayest colors and markers you've ever seen. And of course the obligatory mineral crystals and bad bracelets.

My very modest poorfag collection.

>>18063188
I don't work a particularly rough job, and through daily wear I had racked up a few good scratches within a month of daily wear. I would say it is worth it.

>>18063194
very nice, can I ask why the lack of sport/dive watches and metal bracelets?

>>18063194
Nice, give me that Omega if you're so poor and it's so worthless.

>>18063194
Nothing wrong with that collection. You could definitely do worse.

>>18063196
Just not a big fan of dive watches in general, and I'm a wristlet (6.25 inches) at well, so they generally end up feeling a bit comical on me. The seiko on the right is fine for me as a 100% beater that I use when doing working outside.

No particular reason on the metal bracelets; used to wear watches w/ metal frequently, but just haven't over the last several years. Leather usually feels more versatile for dressing up/down.

>>18063198
kek, I do alright for myself but am not in a place where I can casually drop 4-5 figures on a watch like some people here seem to be able. All of these were under $350 except for the Hamilton.

>>18063057

Nice collection. This is a noob question, but what’s the difference between a OP and a Explorer? I mean… they both seems to have the same specs, just a different dial layout.

>>18063205
>All of these were under $350
What's the diameter of the Omega? I'll buy it from you for $351.

>>18063227
34mm. Not interested in selling it anon, sorry!

>>18063223
Aside from the dial and hands, Explorer has a better clasp. Movements are identical.

>>18063237
>34mm.

>>18063103
I have a DJ41 that I bought in 2023 that developed some scratches, I actually like it more now.

>>18062996
I think the modern Subs much like the EXP2 is kinda boring. Like I love looking at someone's EXP2 16570, but the new orange hands ones are kinda boring to me.

>>18063194
negroni bro

>>18062996
But the Sub looks worse than a BB58... (probably made with better qc though)

>>18062982
Someone who wants a gold dive watch with vintage proportions.

Dunno if this is a controversial opinion but I think I prefer hi beat GS to the Spring Drives.

>>18063037
>What projects more status?
Don't you have a pedophilic P-Diddy orgy to attend?

>>18063255
Good size for a dress watch desu senpai. Anything bigger than 38mm is ostentatious unless you have obese wrists.

>>18063245
I really don’t get why someone would prefer the Explorer than… like, even the WR is the same! IMHO the OP looks better and it’s by far the most versatile piece.
I’m referring to those who can’t afford both of them, of course.

>>18063312
why? do you just not like the idea of the spring drive?

>>18063323
Oh no I love it, I just mean design wise I often prefer Hi Beat ones.

New watch time! Just recieved this one as a late birthday gift, really happy with how it turned out. Bezel actually lines up, and the movement seems to have settled at +6.

>>18063223
The dial and hands are different, OP has a domed bezel that makes it look bubbly, explorer has one of the superior tool watch clasps, the late model explorers have 19mm lug width instead of 20mm.

>>18063324
>>18063323
For example, despite it being thicc at 12mm I'd rather have this than one of the Spring Drive date only watches because those are all at least 40mm in diameter and I'd prefer something smaller.

>>18063334
Nice, those ones have become a modern favourite in their collection.

>>18063334
That's a good one. Although they did just announce a newer version of those 62MAS homages. Added 100 extra meters of water resistance and made it thinner and smaller. But I think I prefer the date on yours.

>>18063194
What’s the one with the california dial? Looks like Timex.

>>18063371
It is a Timex. It's a variant of their hand-wound Marlin that they they released 3 years ago or so. I believe it has some non-descript seagull movement, but I like the casual styling.

>>18063194
I like California dials

>>18063279
It's a nice dial! My holdover until I get off the anordain waitlist for the fume plum in 4-5 years.

>>18063350
Nice quartz watch

>>18063258
>developed some scratches, I actually like it more now.

Cope

>>18063350
12mm isn't thick.

>>18062366
>>18062626
>>18062762
take new pics, retire these already

>>18063078
Man you really cannot go wrong with it.

>>18063470
It's not super fat, but a watch with 3 hands and a date complication can be thinner.

>>18063470
A Datejust is 12mm counting the crystal.

NEW THREAD
>>18063495
>>18063495
>>18063495
>>18063495
>>18063495

>>18062630
This 100% this, I have swiss watches, Japanese watches, chinese watches etc.
A shitload of mid and some high end "swiss" watches are using TONS of Japanese or Chinese parts. Swiss watch sellers get butthurt because they cant justify to most people spending 5 + figures for something thats not actually even made in Switzerland.

>>18062638
>>18062647

Give it up boomer, your old and nobody's going to buy or care about your over priced swiss junk. You can all circle jerk each other in the rest home, nobody cares. NOBODY.

>>18063122
You got me Lmfao Lmfao lmfao

>>18062862
I was too drunk last night to understand what you meant. I just checked the watch this morning the date wheels function as intended and turn over after 31. I'm enjoying this watch. I got it because I like the complications and it was inexpensive.

>>18063354
Yeah, if it wasn't a gift I would've personally waited for a few more colours before pulling the trigger. As it stands though, I do prefer the current models. I definitely agree with you about the date too. I'm actually very surprised Seiko was able to add another 100m while making it thinner, since usually they seem to go in the opposite direction these days.

>>18062441
Here is a picture of Bidens seiko chronograph. Its based that he's wearing an average kinda average Joe type of watch.

The rolex and omega on the otherhand are decidedly high end watches but, not too high end for the average American to buy.

>>18063470
12mm is about average for wearable watches across all ranges but it's thick for a 3 hand date watch in that price category. You can get watches under 11mm with day and date or maybe even other complications for under $1000. The best place to put your money on the high end is watches that are functional and compact for what they are. If you could make a perpetual calendar chronograph that was 11mm thick and 38mm diameter you could charge almost any price you want, everybody would want one.

>>18063734
Yeah, he's just like everybody else who's dad ran a corvette dealership.

>>18063775
Yea his dad was a middle class used car salesman. Pretty based imo. I don't want Biden to win again becusse they're cheaters. I wish the Republicans had the financial means to rig an election. That's probably the only way to win now. Trump is our only hope against the fed. It seems doubtful he will be allowed to win. The riggers just have too much finacial resources. We are so fucked if Biden gets a second term though.

>>18063787
Ramaswami.

I wonder what ramaswamis watch collection is like. He probably has casios.

>>18063787
>We are so fucked if Biden gets a second term though.
kek. My life will be the same under Biden or Trump; the only thing that will change is what side of the political spectrum all the whining comes from. Folks vastly overestimate the influence that the president can have on their lives.

>>18063891
Shit is objectively more expensive under trump than under biden. Maybe you're independently wealthy enough that you can just pay the difference and not give a shit, but it effects the world in big ways.

>>18063939
Fuck, I mixed up biden and trump but you get what I mean.

>>18063279
ID on nato band? Looks really nice with that watch.

>>18063891
>the only thing that will change what side of the political spectrum all the whining comes from

The left literally has not stopped bitching about Trump for 8 continuous years and the cunt hasn't even been president half that time.

>>18063965
And the right hasn't stopped bitching about supposed persecuted from the deep state/elites/administrative state for at least as long.

It's tiresome.

>>18063987
The right has never stopped bitching about the deep state for a couple human lifetimes because it is an ongoing problem that gets worse as decades go on and established politicians on (allegedly) both sides profit from it and have no incentive to do anything about it.