/fa/ - Fashion

>>18057563
So you suck rich cock?

>>18057577
so it's like a first party (rolex) certification? Does it hold the same weight in the watch world as some 3rd party certification?

>>18057584
I mean if it really is +/-2 seconds then it doesn't matter. My master chronometer is at -0+3

>>18057584
Its still COSC certified. They recertify it after casing as cosc jusy certifies the movement i think not the watch

>>18057597
I see, thanks for the info.

Black Bay - Ceramic on the wrist today this evening.
What are you guys wearing?

>>18057622
>on the wrist today this evening.
You mean 1 of your 2 watches is on the wrist today? Impressive amount of choice right there.

>>18057627
rent free

>>18057622
I'm wearing my wedding ring which represents my commitment to my loving wife that I'm still married to.

>>18057633
Obsessed

>>18057633
homo

>>18057622
On the wrist: Citizen Chronomaster
In the cup: Coffee
Coffee time: Now

>>18057668
>wearing a watch that is cheaper than most gourmet coffee blends

lol

>>18057676
Well, what can I say, I am a sub 1 million networth poorfag.

>>18057685
Can't even afford to take different pictures.

I'd argue someone who sits and refreshes the thread hours a day posting the same watches and parasocially farming drama and milking attention is more obsessed than anybody tiring of such behavior.

>>18057570
I didn't mention the price. Because once you get into that field you realise how fucking stupid this shit is.

Should I get the PVD Chronosport homage

I'll ask again in case anyone is a little knowledgeable in this field. What's the best automatic Rolex movement?

Cope if you must and you will

What are you wearing today /wt/?

Pic related for me, it's my go-to weekend watch.

>>18057745
>What's the best automatic Rolex movement?
That depends on how you define best. What are the qualities you're looking for?

For example, the 4131 in the Daytona is an incredible chronograph movement in terms of accuracy, robustness, power reserve and thinness; the old 3130 may not have the features of the newer movements but is legendary for its reliability, durability, and ease of maintenance.

>>18057760
>Bothering people IRL and online at the same time.

>>18057757
I guess probably a combination of both. Reliability, but also ingenuity and great construction.

>>18057745
>What's the best automatic Rolex movement?
Any with a free sprung balance. Rolex movements are generic unfinished ugly movements with decent specs, technologically they are unremarkable aside from free sprung balance and slightly better than average power reserve. They are also pretty accurate and basically never need servicing.

But nothing Rolex makes is particularly high end nor thin. Their chronograph Daytona movement is reasonably thin however and also a column wheel. In terms of pure horology though the Frédéric Piguet caliber 1185 for example is certainly better (albeit much older) than the Daytona movement, so specs are a little dated at this point. It was more groundbreaking at its time than the Daytona movement tho, no doubt about it.

Rolex' true accomplishment is its ability to produce 1,3 millions movement a year with top tier accuracy. The QC must be insane.

>>18057760
Based

>>18057772
>Rolex' true accomplishment is its ability to produce 1,3 millions movement a year and convincing people they are exclusive and/or haute horology

ftfy, Rolex is becoming an inside joke at this point, the fact that people are praising them as the best watchmaker is terribly cringe when you consider the lack of complications in their models, or that their cheaper competition offers double the power reserve (a 4k Mark XX gives you 120 hours).

>>18057763
>Reliability ... and great construction.
That's basically any Rolex movement made in the last 40 years. That's what Rolex made their hallmark.

They're not like JLC, constructing a million different calibers and complications; or Piaget, making whisper-thin movements; or Patek, finely hand-finishing ever last bridge and wheel.

They make movements that are well-made, accurate, thin enough, and simple to service, which is what most people want.

>>18057774
What's with the strawman arguments, bro?

>>18057765
>>18057775
I see, I was interested in getting an Oysterquartz and for some reason that made me think about what may be a special calibre Rolex has among their automatic ones. But guess it's not as I imagined.

>>18057774
Nobody thinks Rolex makes high horology.

>>18057776
Such as?

>>18057780
Dumb people do. People who pay more for a Rolex (Daytona) than they would for a AP/PP/VC, they do. Because that's fucking stupid. The Rolex is inferior in every way, yet they think it's worth more money.

>>18057779
Don't blow thousands on a Quartz watch when you can spend a few thousand more and get a real Rolex.

Stretch to an Explorer II (whichever color you like) and wear it for 10 years without thinking about it. Trust me on this, you will regret the Quartz cause it will make you want a real watch. And then you lose money.

>>18057784
Are you seriously a philistine about quartz in 2024? I don't like most Rolex watch designs but the integrated look of the Oysterquartz really spoke to me. And I'd rather not have a Rolex with those butt ugly Mercedes hands.

Kofe time.

>>18057789
What's the point of buying an expensive luxury watch from a renowned mechanical watchmaker and it's not even mechanical? This is stupid, do you buy a bicycle from Mercedes too?

>i dont like rolex hands
Then fuck off and don't buy a Rolex jesus christ get an Omega or IWC instead. What a fucking baby you are

>>18057789
>I don't like most Rolex watch designs but the integrated look of the Oysterquartz really spoke to me. And I'd rather not have a Rolex with those butt ugly Mercedes hands.
Then just buy a fucking Tissot PRX quartz, faggot.

>>18057791
As was discussed by previous posts. Rolex isn't a manufacturer of amazing or innovative mechanical movements. They're reliable and trustworthy, and manage to stay in good size ranges, but personally it's not a "must" or something I necessarily absolutely associate with them.

>>18057790
newfag to the hobby here, what model is that?

>>18057793
Why? Would an Oysterquartz Datejust not be constructed far better?

Surprised quartz Rolexes would cause such a visceral negative reaction in some people.

>>18057793
Not him but PRX has worse proportions.

>>18057794
Honestly Rolex could have pivoted to mostly doing high accuracy quartz like 20 years ago and I doubt their business would be all that different nowadays.

>>18057798
I wonder what's worse for some, their quartz era, or them using 3rd party movements?

F-91W bros, when will our suffering end???

>>18057804
>I wonder what's worse for some, their quartz era, or them using 3rd party movements?
Probably quartz. Using outsourced movements was not considered a knock against a watch company until very recently.

To say they had a quartz "era" is overstating the degree to which they invested their production into quartz, compared to a company like TAG Heuer or Breitling when they spent a couple decades where the majority of their output was quartz.

>>18057795
Citizen AR3010-57E

>>18057802
They'd have way less hardcore fans. But business wise they'd maybe do the same yeah.

>>18057794
>As was discussed by previous posts. Rolex isn't a manufacturer of amazing or innovative mechanical movements. They're reliable and trustworthy, and manage to stay in good size ranges, but personally it's not a "must" or something I necessarily absolutely associate with them.
Again, like buying a bike from a car maker. This is stupid, stop trying to justify it. A rolex mechanical movement is still a million times more interesting and worth owning than their Quartz. We were comparing Rolex movements to haute horology, not fucking Quartz.

>>18057802
>>18057813
They'd be dead. People want mechanical watches.

>>18057817
No they don't. Or rather, the vast majority of Rolex customers aren't hell bent on mechanical. Rolex absolutely could have found some way through marketing to convince the Rolex buying public otherwise.

>>18057814
Calm down. There's no need to get so agitated. The guy was asking a question, not trying to justify a purchase ex post facto.

>>18057818
>No they don't.
Stop lying through your fucking teeth you retard. When did you last leave your basement? Has it ever occurred to you that Rolex is what Rolex is because they still make mechanical pieces? Their main selling point has been being different from Quartz shitters for decades now.

>>18057817
Watch nerds like us want mechanical watches. People don't care that much.

>>18057818
>Or rather, the vast majority of Rolex customers aren't hell bent on mechanical

>>18057822
Oh yeah? How come normies know about the "Rolex sweep" and are surprised to find that other Swiss watches sweep also? They don't know shit about movements but they know that a Rolex sweeps, not ticks.

This thread is literally 90% underage basement dwellers. I gotta stop coming here. This is fucking cringe. Are you people just trying to justify your Seiko trash collections or what? I don't even own a Rolex anymore and I'm happy to admit this fact.

>>18057830
Yes that's all normalfags know, they know it sweeps. Could fool them with a fucking Bulova.

>>18057825
Nah bro, Rolex would be fine without mechanical watches.

That's why there are songs called "Rolex Sweep" lmao
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolex_Sweep

>>18057830
Then leave. Trust us, no one will miss you.

>>18057831
That doesn't mean that Rolex would be as successful being a Quartz maker. Whatsoever. Not even close. Actually, if Rolex was Quartz only, Omega would be the hottest brand name in the world right now instead of being 2nd hottest.

>>18057833
>let me circlejerk over quartz watches in peace

Pathetic

>>18057830
Normies in my office don't even know about that. They literally just know Rolex is expensive and Swiss and good for some reason they're unaware of and that's where the watch knowledge ends.

>>18057835
>They literally just know Rolex is expensive and Swiss
And they know that because Rolex stayed relevant by making mechanical watches. It wasn't the other way around, you know. Rolex came from cringe field watches through cringe nouveau riche watches back to enthusiast and less cringe riche watches.

>>18057834
The gap between Omega and Rolex would absolutely not be closed by Omega remaining mechanical while Rolex has quartz. The delta is far larger than that. There's so many examples of brands abandoning defining characteristics they used to have and going on just fine simply existing off of brand name and hype.

>>18057830
>This thread is literally 90% underage basement dwellers. I gotta stop coming here. This is fucking cringe.
Why do you post here if you're so miserable?

>Mention Rolex
>At least one anon goes apoplectic
Every time.

>>18057839
>The gap between Omega and Rolex would absolutely not be closed by Omega remaining mechanical while Rolex has quartz.
Wrong. You're acting as though Rolex has been hot for decades. 20 years ago you couldn't give Subs away, do you fucking realize that? The early 00s were absolutely terrible for Rolex, that's when Omega moved in on their market share. Remember that "Rolex? Omega" bullshit? That's why it happened. Rolex turned it around in the late 00s and 10s mostly due to marketing hype and Roger Federer.

>>18057791
>do you buy a bicycle from Mercedes too?
Not sure if Mercedes makes bikes or not. But I don't see why a car manufacturer should also not be able to be an excellent maker of bicycles if they tried.

>>18057843
Rolex has been the biggest name in Swiss watchmaking since at least the 1980s. Stop trying to rewrite history.

You're going to have to start citing sources for your increasingly bullshitty claims.

>>18057846
>Rolex has been the biggest name in Swiss watchmaking since at least the 1980s. Stop trying to rewrite history.
A niche market for decades, get it? Mechanical watches

MECHANICAL watches

did not become mainstream popular until about 10 years ago and Rolex would NEVER EVER be relevant today if they hadn't been making mechanical watches at the time. Never ever. And yes, Rolex was weak for many years, just like all Swiss makers were. And yes, Rolex lost a lot of market share to Omega because of Bond. Do you really need a source for something that is common knowledge? The Seamaster is the 2nd most popular dive watch in history, but only since the late 90s.

>>18057845
And I guess you buy your clothes at Walmart

>>18057762
kek.
Jokes aside, it's easier than I thought to make friends here.

>>18057852
Did you genuinely pick up a man and have sex with him, you fucking faggot? Yuck. I bet you have AIDS.

>>18057790
New Kofe pic just dropped!

>>18057848
NTA, I agree with you about them producing automatic watches being key to their success, but saying they became 'mainstream popular' ten years ago is laughable.

>>18057852
>Jokes aside, it's easier than I thought to make friends here.

Then you clearly haven't been in Japan long enough to understand honne and tatemae. They fucking hate you and want you to go away.

>>18057851
How did you mentally arrive at the conclusion to answer with that equivalency?
Doing something outside of what you're known for = doing something as cost efficient as possible?

>>18057855
>defiling a cemetery
Looking to steal some gold teeth?

>>18057858
>but saying they became 'mainstream popular' ten years ago is laughable.
It's not though. Rolex was known but reserved for rich people, it wasn't mainstream. Even though Rolex today is more expensive than it ever was, every fucking douchebag salesman and car dealer and doctor is wearing one. This was not the case 30 years ago, no way in hell. For one because Rolex was trying to shake the "old mans watch" image that came from their mostly gold pieces in the media (President being worn a lot), for another people were trying to be cost effective by wearing Quartz shit instead of spending a ton of money on 60 year old technology. It was just pop culture at the time and nobody wanted a Rolex, aside from not being able to afford one. Today, nobody can afford them, but they buy them anyway, those fucking construction workers. You don't see that? I see it every day. People worth 1/100th of me are wearing Subs.

>>18057852
How your conversation with your "friend" went
(translated from Japanese)

>You like watch?
Sure, it's fine. (thinking: oh fuck, it's talking to me)
>Anime good yes? Good anime?
Sorry, I don't watch a lot of anime. (thinking: of-fucking-course it's a weeb)
>I going to move to Japan. Learn Japanese. Talk good now.
Well, good luck with that. (thinking: fuck off, we're full)
>You want get hooker? Japanese hooker good.
Thank you, I'm fine. (thinking: this thing's like a rutting animal.)

>>18057862
Turkish custom

>>18057863
>Rolex was known but reserved for rich people, it wasn't mainstream
Complete bullshit.
In the 1970s and 1980s, a Rolex was easily affordable on a middle class salary.

Why are you making up stories? What point are you trying to make?

>>18057863
How little are construction workers making where you live that they couldn't afford a Sub?

>>18057869
>In the 1970s and 1980s, a Rolex was easily affordable on a middle class salary.
Old mans watch Rolex (Datejust), maybe. Real Rolex, gold sub, president, no way. I think you're confusing what middle class meant at the time.

>>18057870
What construction worker makes enough to blow 10k on a watch instead of buying food for his children? Pray tell.

>see something I love the look of
>42mm case
being a wristlet SUCKS

>>18057854
>>18057862
Why do you hate this guy so much?
Are you jealous and seething over a fucking Tudor or what?
What is the backstory to all of this?

>>18057871
>What construction worker makes enough to blow 10k on a watch instead of buying food for his children? Pray tell.
huh? That should be pretty doable unless you have a horrible renting situation or something. Unless you think people shouldn't be allowed to save up for a watch.

>>18057873
Oval wrist master race here, I dont know your pain. Can wear up to 44mm without looking comedic

>>18057873
This depends entirely on case shape. A 45mm cushion case watch could still fit on your wrist.

>>18057876
>save up

Yeah, no, I'm not talking about saving up money for 20 years to buy a fucking watch. That's pathetic, and no, it does not mean you can "afford" the watch. It means you're broke and living like garbage so you can buy a watch. This is precisely what I mean by Rolex is mainstream. This kind of shit is what people used to to do buy a sports car, but now they do it for a watch (live like shit, save money, buy watch).

What I am is liquid. I can walk into a dealer and buy a 15k piece without worrying about it. That means I can afford it. And I don't save up years for it. I don't save up at all. I make that in 2 months, net net. That's fucking liquid.

>>18057879
Anon I'm sorry but you sound like it's bothering you that poorfags are invading your space or something.

>>18057879
>What I am is
...an angry little faggot.

>>18057871
>Real Rolex
An Oyster Perpetual Date?

>>18057879
Do you pop your monocle when you see common riff-raff in your golf club or something, kek.

>>18057880
Of course it is. These morons, who eat out of a dumpster, are causing watch prices to rise which means I am overpaying for pieces versus their actual worth under normal circumstances. The trick to being wealthy isn't blowing money whatever the price, it's haggling like a bitch over every cent. Just in case you didn't realize this. Only a broke wanker blows his entire net worth on the asking price. Wealthy pros negotiate. But I can't negotiate when a guy wearing supermarket clothing walks in and pays using credit card and increases his debt by 10k on the spot.

If you cared about watches at all, you wouldn't approve of this practice because it's destroying our hobby.

>>18057883
A Datejust on an Oyster bracelet does feel very "Rolex".

>>18057875
>What is the backstory to all of this?

That poster is known as Whoretadello. He's a Greek weeb living in Germany, currently trying to immigrate to Japan after his wife left him. He's obviously an avatarfag but really became famous for over-sharing personal details of his life while taking pictures of his watches with hookers. He got banned, then spent a couple months ban evading and getting re-banned, which was honestly quite entertaining.
What causes a lot of posters to dislike him, beyond the avatarfagging, is his habit of trying to doxx people, posting pictures of people without blurring their faces, constant lying, and spamming the report button on anyone who talks shit about him.

>>18057879
>>18057871
>>18057863
this guy makes whoretadello not look like a faggot

>>18057887
Ok alright, at first it appeared like you were trying to play some cliche snob from an 80s movie or something. But I understand what you're getting at here, and yes it does suck that retards are driving Rolex prices up beyond what they should be.

>>18057892
Thanks.

>>18057887
You should have been here last thread. You could give the used Overseas "owner" (he hasn't actually proven he owns it) a run for his money in terms of anger. I would have liked to see you blow a gasket while he tries to get over his buyer's remorse.

>>18057891
>t. Whoretadello

>>18057888
Is that a combination of all the most notable Rolex components?

>>18057822
>Watch nerds like us
>Watch nerds
>like us
>us
Kill yourself right now. I'm not kidding. Throw yourself out of the window immediately, you disgusting faggot.

>>18057888
Yeah, but, you see, it's not a """""real""" Rolex. I have a completely rational explanation for it that it not just petty, envy-derived gatekeeping.

>>18057902
Not him, but no one browsing 4chan isn't a nerd. Dunno if you're particularly into watches or not but one would assume nerds posting in a watch thread are indeed "watch nerds"

>>18057902
NEEEEEEERD

>>18057903
Says the vacheron gatekeeper complaining about the overseas line.

>>18057889
tl;dr
rent free

>>18057908
You're confusing me for some other anon. If it says Vacheron Constantin on the dial, then it's a VC unless it was made in Guangzhou, of course.

>>18057902
Anon if you're seeking out a niche topic on a niche site, you're a nerd. Sorry to break it to you.

>>18057865
Holy shit cope and obsessed

>>18057865

Which one /wt/?

>>18057919
right.

>>18057916
It's just a little banter, Whoretadello. All in good fun.

>>18057923
t. bittercel who stalks the thread 24/7 just waiting for whoretadello to post, so he can unleash his copeseethe.

>>18057914
>niche topic
Watches are a multi billion industry. Brands like Rolex, Omega and Audemars Piguet are among the most popular luxury brands in the world. They can even hire Hollywood A-listers and world class athletes as brand ambassadors.

I don't know where you autists got the idea that watches are a "niche" but you're just factually plain wrong.

@18057927

>>18057919
The one on the left reminds me of that one Moser that looks like a smartwatch.

https://files.catbox.moe/nylndt.mp4

Let's hang out.

Pretty funny. And of course the movement is beautiful.

>>18057928
>I don't know where you autists got the idea that watches are a "niche" but you're just factually plain wrong.
Just go outside and walk around

>>18057933
どのくらい日本語を知っていますか?

>>18057870
>my construction workers earn more than your construction workers
Weird flex but ok.

>>18057933
>https://files.catbox.moe/nylndt.mp4
Who wants malware?

>>18057939
video files can't have malware in them retard

>>18057937
I got N5/JLPT 5 yesterday. Absolute beginner

Guys, you recommended me black bay 54, but what about black bay pro? Looks pretty cool
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uzfFoiI8rA

my wrist is 7" by the way

>>18057943
i like it but i think it's too thick. and personally i dont need a gmt

>>18057943
>black bay pro?
Way too thick for its diameter. It's out of proportion. The Black Bay GMT (still thick) is more proportional and your wrist is big enough for it.

Also, that movement has had a problematic history. I don't know if it's been fixed since Tudor/Kenissi never actually acknowledged there was a problem in the first place.

>>18057928
How often do you experience watches coming up in a casual conversation between people outside of the internet, without you starting it?

>>18057941
they can. they likely wont since there is no known vulnerability in video decoding unless you want to pop 0days on /wt/ shitposters

>>18057945
>>18057944
yeah I agree, also it doesn't look as posh. I want a watch to look fancy

My wrist is only 6". How do I fucking cope bros...

>>18057952
Buy vintage.

>>18057952
that must be rough since my 7" already looks very undersized

just be confident bro

Leica is making watches now?!?

>>18057956
They originally were a watch company actually.

>>18057946
>How often do you experience watches coming up in a casual conversation between people outside of the internet, without you starting it?
Pretty regularly since I work with a couple people who are also into watch collecting.

But with some random person at a bar or something? Not too often.

>>18057622
BULOVA

>>18057952
>My wrist is only 6". How do I fucking cope bros...
There are still options.
Lots of companies make midsize watches.
Vintage watches were much smaller than today's are.

The Cartier Santos Carrée (ref. 2960) would fit you perfectly. It would look great. The 34mm Rolex models would be great too.

>>18057919
right

>>18057790
oh ho ho, my newly acquired watch also reads coffee time.

>>18057963
1 letter away from Butlova

>>18057980
>Sub homage
Is that real coffee or Caro?

>>18057933
you're the main reason I keep coming back to these threads

>>18057963
great watch anon

>>18057990
you gonna suck his cock next FUCKING IDIOT LOL

>>18057987
100% Dunkin Brand K-cup my friend.

>>18057990
Same, he is the hero we deserve in this sea of poorfag bitterness.

Hey I just started wearing watches again. Can anyone recommend me a set of tools that I can use to adjust bands, add or remove bands, or even add or remove links?

>>18058007
springbar removal tools and idk about links you can probably get a chinkshit set off amazon and it'll be fine.

>>18058013
>idk about links you can probably get a chinkshit set off amazon
none of the watches I have are expensive so it isn't a big deal if I mess up but do people typically go to a jeweler or watch repair guy to get links removed?

>>18057992
Thank you! It's a bit big, like right on the limit for me, but I made it work somehow.

>>18058018
This guy fucks

>>18058015
for expensive watches? probably.

>>18058015
I got one of these from aliexpress. Made my life a hell of a lot easier.

>>18058015
>do people typically go to a jeweler or watch repair guy to get links removed?
Depends on the bracelet type.
Screw-fixed links you can easily do yourself. Pin-and-collar links can be a little trickier, especially if the bracelet is really thin. If it's a precious metal bracelet with a pin-and-collar fitting, it's best to let the jeweler do it, unless you're really comfortable with a block and punch.

>>18058015
I just banged them out with a sim card removal tool and used a large screwdrivers blunt end as a hammer. this was a pin-and-collar one I believe, just don't lose the collars.

>>18058043
I'll never understand why collars ever existed in the first place.

>>18057913
apologies

>>18058054
Screw heads are harder to get right, tolerances need to be tighter, harder to manufacture due to the microscopic size of threads and screws, typically China can't manufacture them precisely, afaik Germany is one supplier used to make such tiny ass screws and bolts, for sure used in ship building, probably in watches too. I saw some comparison pictures years ago of the same size threads manufactured in China versus Germany and the difference was hilarious.

>>18057898
>date complication
>cyclops
>automatic
>oyster case
>screwdown crown
>oyster bracelet
Yes?

>>18058063
There are bracelets that use pins but not collars. So obviously the technology exists and it's nowhere near as complicated as tapping tiny threads.

Speaking of bracelets with pins, I have a problem maybe someone here has experience to help me with. I have an engraved sterling silver bracelet my dad gave me years ago and I stopped wearing it because the clasp doesn't close and hold securely, and it came with an extra clasp so replacing it shouldn't be a problem but I just cannot for the life of me push the pin out to take the bad clasp off. I've broken multiple pin extracting tools trying to get the clasp off, the pins just don't seem to budge at all. Is there a trick to getting a super tight pin loose?

you think ~500 on a nice VANAC is worth it?

there aren't enough faceted glass options out there and these are the "pinnacle" especially with the 5246 or 5256 movements that some of them had. i don't like automatics, but i'd be down to try one of these out just because they are so unique and you aren't gonna get anything with as much wrist presence unless you buy the apple watch of mechanicals aka a rolex

>>18058066
Sure, but it's a shit system compared to screws. There are also the systems with screws and collars, like Omega, where you have two tiny screws on either side and one thing in the middle that it screws into. It's almost as shit as pin and collar but at least you can work it using screwdrivers.

The best system is screw only, which is just one pin that has a screw side at the end, and it threads into one side of the link. It's so easy it's stupidly good. You just need the right size screwdriver.

Also, IWC has a great system, it's not even screwed, you push a button with a pin pushing tool and then you can push out the pin inside the links on either side, it's like held in place by that button pushing down. It's a little finnicky at first but impossible to fuck up, very robust and useful system.

>>18058075
I'm not disputing that screws are better, I'm saying it's confusing to me why some retard came up with pins and collars, it became such a standard for bracelets for so many years, and then someone finally said "hey, wait..... we can just make a pin that fits tightly in the bracelet and totally eliminate these collars."

>>18057469
>Well comparing fully mass produced watches to one is not a logical comparison
Not like "haute horologerie" watches fare any better in the hands and indices department.
Hell, even Philippe Dufour outsources hands and indices, and they're not finished all that well.

If you want hand-finished hour markers and indices, you need to turn to the likes of Voutilainen, Moritz Grossmann, Lang&Heyne, ...

>>18057779
get a nice quartz seiko or citizen

>>18058082
Single point of failure, that's probably why.

>>18057808
>straps it tight
>breaks
>surprised pikachu face

>>18058101
I don't know why I bother trying to communicate with people, it's like I'm not speaking english.

I really really really cant deal anymore with the fact a watch is never accurate. Sure it may be only 1 second off but I just cannot accept it. I think I need to give up watch and go back to phone only

>>18058082
Pins without collars are split-pins. Those are terrible. They're only found on the very cheapest watches.

>>18058109
What's terrible about it? It holds your shit together and it's a million times better than fucking with collars.

>>18058107
>phone accuracy
Anon...
In case you weren't aware unless you constantly manually sync your phone it can very quickly be off by a sec or more.

>>18058114
But what if it is constantly connected to the internet?

>is brand ambassador for tag heuer
>wears casio a168

>>18058116
Then it still depends on the phone itself. Some will always poll, others take their time.

>>18058073
This one isn't nice though.

>>18058118
holy shit.

>>18058117

How much?

>>18058112
Split pins are weak, have a tendency to back themselves out, and are single use only.
Collars are inconvenient but when properly installed are strong and reliable.
People bitch about collars because they resent having to buy an extra tool, or they've bent a pin trying to reinsert it it, or they've lost a collar.

>>18058128
A lot. Maybe $100k or $200k?

>>18058133
Holy shit. Feels really bad man

>>18058132
I've been wearing watches for 30 years and I have never had or heard of anyone else having a split pin - or any kind of pin - back out. Even using a fucking hammer they take a few direct strikes to push out, so there's almost no chance you're going to have a pin back out randomly. MAYBE if you make a habit of repeatedly resizing your bracelets to a point of wearing the pins out, but most people set a bracelet up when they buy it and never fuck with it again for the rest of the life of the bracelet. Who the fuck is wearing out pins?

>>18058133
Mind blown. Watches are a truly insane thing

>>18058128
Who the fuck cares?

>>18058144
Me

>>18058132
>People bitch about collars because they resent having to buy an extra tool, or they've bent a pin trying to reinsert it it, or they've lost a collar.
Exactly. They're not mad about pins and collars. They're easily frustrated retards.

Why do retards rave about grand seiko spring drive? It is a glorified quartz

>>18058118
Holy shit you were right

>>18058107
casio solar radio

>>18058166
Mechanical watch or nothing so thanks but no thanks

>>18058169
dumb unless you can service it yourself

>>18057980
Legend has it anon's eyes are still traveling the rehaut to see the dial to this day

(why the fuck does Invicta have their dials so recessed?)

>>18058160
It's true that it's glorified quartz, but the ballet of perpetually winding up a battery is interesting. It's like having an electrical power plant on your wrist and that's a fun fantasy. I think it's actually probably held back by Seiko's patents on it, because imagine what the Swiss could do with the concept if they were legally allowed to iterate on it.

>>18058174
I don't know but I honestly didn't notice that until you mentioned it.

>>18058160
It's automatically winding but also has the accuracy of quartz. That's what people think is cool.

>>18058174
My uncle is really into invictas and last time I saw him he was showing me some. I forgot to even try turning the bezel, do these bezels turn? I've heard most of them either don't turn at all or are really stiff.

>>18058189
They still have the issue of eventually needing to worry about sending them for service to change the battery. I actually don't know, has a spring drive battery ever taken a shit and needed to be replaced?

>>18058193
retardello

>>18058201
Where's the lie though?

>>18058193
>I actually don't know, has a spring drive battery ever taken a shit and needed to be replaced?
Sure. The parts are replaced as needed, just like a mechanical movement. Gear train, mainspring, keyless works. The Spring Drive's integrated circuit can be replaced as well if need be.

Strictly speaking, you can do that with a normal quartz movement as well, but because they're so incredibly cheap, it's simply more cost-effective to replace the entire movement if something in it fails.

>>18058190
Mine here>>18057980 turns. It turns counter-clockwise. Though it is somewhat hard to turn. I have to remove the watch form my wrist and hold it with my other hand to get a good grip to be able to turn it easily.

This is my first non quartz watch

>>18058071
Tell us once/if you get it done. That I would like to know as well. I'll probably need it [the knowledge] if I get another vintage watch.

>>18058073
Every time I think that I've seen every seiko model, something like this gets posted. Never seen or heard of one before. Thanks for sharing.

>>18058071
>Is there a trick to getting a super tight pin loose?
heat and penetrating oil. If you're worried about damaging the metal, just take it to a jeweler, who will also use heat and penetrating oil, but at least he'll probably have experience on his side.

>>18058136
>I've been wearing watches for 30 years
That's how long I've been alive. Damn.

I got a call from my rolex ad. Does this mean the days of crazy prices over msrp are over?

>>18058237
What did they say? and be as specific as possible.

This 69iq asshole is becoming so fucking cringe. He's just screeching about muh Britain in every video now. It was bad enough when he was bitching about muh police, but this is even worse.

>>18058226
I actually just managed to get it done maybe an hour or something after I made that post. I decided to give it one more college try, usually over the last 10 years or so I would pull it out once or twice a year to make another attempt, curse like a sailor at it for 20 minutes in shock that nothing is working and I'm adding more broken tools into the pile of broken tools it's already taken from me, then finally get so frustrated I gave up. But I persevered this time.

All I did was get a watch repair kit out, chock it up in one of these pin pushing blocks, and hammer it. That's the long story short, it took a lot of effort hammering and once I finally got the bad clasp off I then had to figure out how to get the pin out of the replacement clasp that was not attached to anything else without it twisting as I hammered down on it. It was a bitch and a half and I was still bending punches. But it's finally done.

Also they were split pins, so fuck this retard >>18058132 for saying they come loose too easy. I literally just finished a decade long quest to get this piece of shit apart.

tl;dr the only solution is a hammer, a punch, a punch block, and perseverance, and just make sure you're hammering it out from the right direction(the hole on one side is probably smaller than the hole on the other side, probably hammer your punch into the smaller hole to push it out.) For a really stuck pin one of those screw down pin extractors probably won't do the job.

>>18058128
Germ here, Lange is a nothing brand to us. We value IWC over it. It has some following in the east but only because it's a DDR thing. Nobody gives a fuck in proper Germany.

Don't buy Lange. Buy IWC.

>>18058246
Calling bs on that

>>18058247
Look at sales figures and pre owned listings... most people here don't know about Lange, but everyone knows about IWC because of Mercedes.

>>18058242
Why would a watch podcast be bitching about Britain? And why would it be bitching about police?

>>18058250
Exactly. Guy has lost the fucking plot. I mean Paul is just an attention whore and never got big, but one day he posted the generic
>MUH BRITAIN IS BEING INVADED BY FOREIGN HORDES
and attracted a million right wingers. And no I don't have a problem with that politically per se, but I have a big fucking problem with this shit for brains mouthbreather trying to make watch collecting political. FUCK this asshole and fuck his convicted criminal son as well.

>>18058246
Hanhart will also be recognised by many, not necessarily because of wristwatches though. And also depending on age of the individual.

Retarded nonsensical thought, but how do brands like seiko, Tissot, hamilton compare to Christopher ward vs high end chink fake watches

>>18058224
Based?

>>18058240
They said they are getting the model I inquired about ~8 months ago in a few months and asked if i was still interested (pic related) and I said I am. They sent me the special order paperwork. No purchase history but is a smallish town AD and knows my family.

>>18058260
>special order paperwork
So they CAN order specific watches for people?

>>18058237
Shit I want to get an explorer 124270, I can buy from delraywatch (from the fat Italian) or ocwatchguy for less than 10 percent over msrp and cheaper if I account for state taxes not being charged. Thinking about it so I wouldn't have to wait

>>18058264
My guess is they can't order dozens of the same watch at once. They order one or a couple at a time and go down their list of people who want them as they get allocations.

>>18058267
I saw that, seems like a great deal desu

>>18058254
This one is pretty neat.

>>18058252
Isn't he just some kind of a retarded mafia thug? I just saw his tattoos and fake hair and fake teeth and immediately thought chav drug dealer from a "good" family.

>>18058273
Isn't this just a glorified handwound sellita movement watch?

>>18058163
>0.2 seconds ahead

>>18058276
I wouldn't expect much more at that price point for a mechanical chronograph.

>>18058292
There are so many of them though, and it makes so little difference which one you buy. Same with all the watches using the seagull chronograph movements.

>>18058271
>My guess is they can't order dozens of the same watch at once. They order one or a couple at a time and go down their list of people who want them as they get allocations.

They put in orders to the factory all the time. It's based on what the customers request. What the AD does not have control over is when and how many of any given watch they'll receive because the factory has their own allocation system.

So say, for example, five people go to the AD to request No-Date Submariners. The AD tells the factory they would like five No-Date Submariners, the factory says "OK."
Then the AD will go a couple months without receiving any. Then one month they'll randomly get three, then another couple months they get one, etc etc. and who knows if those customers will still be interested when the watch comes?

That last part is a big part of the reason why people's wait list stories are still all over the place.
One of my friends recently put in an order for a two-tone Explorer. He was told it would take a couple months. Two weeks later, they called him. Turned out there was only one other person waiting for the watch and he didn't want it anymore. Had that person bought the watch, who knows how long my friend would have had to wait?

>>18058293
Again, that's not a problem, is it? Just buy the one you think looks nicest. If anything, having a common movement is a bonus because it means spare parts will be more available and cheaper, it will be a proven design, and any watchmaker will be able to service it.

Case in point: Panerai. When they still used Unitas and 7750 movements, anyone could service their extremely common movements. Now that they're using their troublesome "in-house" movements, you have to go to Panerai to get your watch serviced because they don't give out parts accounts anymore.

>>18058295
Your friend made a good move. Any day now some movie star is going to wear a 2 tone explorer in a movie and suddenly everyone will want one.

>>18058275
Nah he's just a chav without Mafia connections. His son is a career criminal though, went to jail for selling fake Rolex on eBay. As in thousands of them.

>>18058296
>Now that they're using their troublesome "in-house" movements, you have to go to Panerai to get your watch serviced because they don't give out parts accounts anymore.
kek you get what you pay for. I wonder how long it will take consumers to realize they fucked themselves with in house only requirements. Sure it has merits, but it can be a huge pain in the ass. Especially if the movement is less robust than the ETA shitter.

>>18058302
You don't open a Rolex shop without connections when you look like that. And your son doesn't sell thousands of fakes.

>>18058311
What do you have to look like to open a rolex shop without connections?

Oris or Archimede?

>>18058258
Seiko has absolutely been surpassed in quality by the top Chinese brands. It’s not even close. Design is a different story, as the Chinese seem to be genetically limited in their capacity to think creatively.

>>18058284
Time is money

Simply using a different dial, hand set and different finishes on the case and bracelet surfaces could make a Hamilton Khaki mechanical a perfect dress watch.

>>18058314
>the Chinese seem to be genetically limited in their capacity to think creatively.
Considering the inventiveness that exists in their distant history, the trait appears to have been bred out of them.

>Chicken sandwich with in-house kimchi pickles

>>18058314
>>18058326
Interestingly, they statistically make up a majority of the people who do not have an internal monologue in their thought processes.

>>18058313
Oris

>>18058332
Why?

>>18058334
Just happen to prefer their designs. Though I don't know too many by Archimede. Also I guess Oris does more work on the movement to make it their own, but that's only a factor if you really give a shit about that. I'm sure the Sellita or Citizen movements Archimede uses as is are fine too.

>>18058327

Gotta love that German attempt at humour

>>18058311
He never ran a Rolex shop, he's just a grey market dealer all his life, as you say, no AD would ever work with this ridiculous cunt.

>>18058344
15 minutes or so into listening to this retard drone on about sandwiches I totally lost the plot on what the fuck he was trying to say.

>>18058346
Ok how about "you don't open a luxury watch shop with millions in inventory rent and other costs" it's the same thing he has some massive illicit source of money.

>>18058128
>those upside down months at the top
That would drive me nuts

>>18058344
Thought he was South African.

>>18058338
Archimede’s designs are your basic German ones. Flieger, Bauhaus, minimalist, etc. They’re actually a fairly older brand. Created in 1924 and still owned by the same family. They mostly created the cases for other brands before making their own. I always thought they were a good alternative to Laco or Stowa, which to me are soulless

Does anybody have any experience with the titanium Hamilton Khaki Fields? Do they feel good? Do they scratch a lot?

>>18058273
adore that watch, good choice.

>>18058284

>>18058373
Getting worse, bro. Be careful, soon you might lose enough time to be late for work.

I always feel like an outcast in the hobby because I just do not get the appeal in diver watches at all. Way too bulky and they all tend to look very samey (to me). To those who do like them, can you explain what it is that attracts you to them?
This post is by no means an attack by the way, I'm genuinely curious and want to hear other perspectives.

>>18058385
Thinking about this for some time I think a lot of it is down to climate and lifestyle. Most people live in warm climates and often near bodies of water, so if you're always wearing short sleeves and enjoy swimming or kayaking or boating a dive watch makes a lot of sense. If you live in a cooler climate where you're going to be wearing long sleeves and coats and doing more indoor activities and going to dinners you may prefer something smaller and lighter.

You guys remember when you could get a good watch, 200m, iso diver certified, for a good price?

>>18058385
I like to time things occasionally and a chrono is overkill.

>>18058411
Ah memories.
I had a 1st gen Orange Monster, sold it because it was an inaccurate piece of shit, bought another one because I missed it, and sold it too because it was an inaccurate piece of shit.

Then I bought a Doxa instead, which I sold when I realized I didn't like divers.

>>18058385
Their water resistance is what’s most appealing to me, but these days there’s tons of watches with designs that don’t follow the usual diver aesthetic, yet can achieve high ratings.

I have a watch rated for 100 ATM and it’s not really a diver.

>>18058385
I don't get them either.
I honestly think it's just cause they're big and are more flashy (cause of the size)

My daily watches rn

>>18058490
Very nice Anon.
I love the Red Kamasu

>>18058362
That's cool. I always appreciate family owned watch makers in this day and age.

>>18058411
When did you buy that?

>>18058540
2010

>>18058508
grats on spending $7000 on what a $50 gshock will do

>>18058541
Considering inflation, the price of those 200m certified Seiko divers increased by a hundred amd fifty or so bucks. Which isn't nothing, but also isn't that bad if you ask me.

Guide to posters

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>Poortadello/OmegaDrunk
Multi-reply specialist. Canadian. Gay. Only posts about his own watches. Very repetitive posts. Has several obscure Omegas only he cares about. Notorious for samefagging.

>Whoretadello
Balding Greek living in Germany. Has a tendency of buying too large watches. Cleans cars for a living. Has a Tudor, Homos, and some Seikos. Life currently falling apart, filling the void with materialism and falling in love with strippers. Made a discord server which no one joined. Tax evader, sex trafficker, tried to hide the evidence by deleting posts.

>Citizen drunk/Finncel
25% Finnish, 50% Swedish, rest is a mystery. Lives in Finland. Works as a shelver in a grocery store. Alcoholic. Repetitive posts about his one Eco-Drive. Tragic case of gyno.

>Mortadello
Very positive and friendly, but doesn't post anything of any consequence. Lawyer. Obese. Posts improving photos of amazing watches. Lies about his age. Does not take criticism well.

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>HamiltonDrunk
Posts a single picture per thread before getting drunk and passing out. Owns a Hamilton. Works in television and film.

>Nobully anon
Trans. Has rich parents who have bought them several VCs.

>Cockwatch
18 years of age. Has one F-91W, has posted it on his cock. Mostly posts the Casio with Soviet knick-knacks. Genderqueer. Wants to be Emma Watson. Russian living in Latvia with mommy. Part-time BitterAnon.

>ALS anon
Has an 1815 Up/Down. Stays under the radar, but occasionally pops up to flex and complain.

>Central Florida Anon
Looking for a wristlet to love

>BitterAnon
Who is the mysterious BitterAnon? It could be anyone! It could even be you! Currently residing inside the heads of several avatarfags.

>Bittercel
Obsessed with BitterAnon. Responds with repetitive images. If you see someone accusing everyone of being bitter but never posts a watch, you've found Bittercel.

>>18058548
what are the cheapest 200m certified seikos now? i thought most of the seiko 5s were 100m now

>>18058554
Does certification actually even matter? Like, are you going to be fined or barred from diving if your watches aren't certified? If you're diving with a computer anyway does that cancel it out?

>>18058554
Probably the solar divers I think?

>>18058562
it makes ppl feel better that their 200m is real and not just made up by a manufacturer

>>18058243
>the only solution is a hammer
always has been

>>18057808
>F-91W bros, when will our suffering end???
When you buy the A158W.

>>18058596
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>>18058553
(ᐢ> ̫ <ᐢ)

>>18058596
not everyone is a hairless asian

>>18057830
What's "rolex sweep".

>>18058611
The 4hz ticking of any luxury mechanical watch.

>>18058613
>28.800 is considered a sweep
well....

>>18057782
I'd rather buy a classy looking rolex than this hunk of turd. Who in their mind buy something like this?

High horology? more like homology amirite?

>>18058609
Metal straps are worn by men with hairy forearms all the time. Just scroll through this thread alone. Also the resin strap will probably get sweaty quite easily. Stupid argument, really.

>>18058508
Nice rep

NOT

>>18058614
The greater smoothness of 5hz movements honestly isn't worth the greater costs of manufacturing, service costs, and reduced power reserve. I'd rather have a 4hz movement with greater power reserve and save some money. There's no shortage of great 4hz watches.

>>18058175
ttake the sundial pill

>>18058656
https://files.catbox.moe/j9hrtv.mp4

>>18058614
Compared to a cheap movement, I guess yeah? I don't think it looks like sweeping neither.
>>18058675
This does.

>>18058675
IT SPROOOOOOOONGS

>>18058675
disgusting hand
and watch

>>18058675
Yeah, but I can buy a rolex, still have a few days worth of power reserve, almost any watchmaker can service it, and half of its value isn't flushed down the toilet the moment I buy it.

>>18058375
Right?

>>18058685
I was with you until the value argument. If you don't like a watch return it in the period when you can, otherwise why would you get rid of one? I would never not get a fun sports car just because I know it won't hold its value. It's my car that I bought as a luxury to have fun in, I won't sell it unless I'm in dire financial trouble. Same goes for a watch you buy because you like one or more aspects about it. You'd do just fine with something for a hundred bucks so the only reason you'd buy a watch so expensive is because it is something you really want.
That is of course unless you're some kind of kike watch flipper.

>>18058375

>>18058690
>>18058373
>>18058163
It's a whole 3 seconds off on my phone actually.

>>18058675
how many love hotels have you been to

>>18058689
Oh no, we disagree on one of 5 reasonable points.

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>>18058193
there is no battery in a spring drive

>>18058718
There has to be a battery of some kind, it has to store energy.

>>18058756
it's a spring like in your lolex

>>18058542

>>18059028
Disgusting. How much does this piece of shit looking piece of shit go for?

>>18059383
$25k
You buying?

>>18059402
Nah, I have too much taste and too little money

>>18058672
Ol' reliable