/fa/ - Fashion

casioaks are gay and retarded
they're anti gshocks

are hybrid smartwatches based or cringe?

>>18056351
great watch

>>18056350
what does that even mean

>>18056358
gshocks favor function over form, casioaks are the opposite of that and their form is antifunctional, poor legibility etc.

https://files.catbox.moe/mv7iya.mp4

>>18056360

>>18056360
Where is that?

>>18056361
3 pps

>>18056361

>>18056364
And it's 5mm
>>18056362
Ikegami Honmonji. A bit further out, tourist free.>>18056364

>>18056367
Cool, find a japanese waifu?

>>18056364
18K white gold

>>18056359
I was thinking about buying this one desu but it looks pretty legible to me

>>18056370
It still isn't really accomplishing anything positive in terms of functionality. It's like a utilitarian larp or posing as being utilitarian.

>>18056372
I just want an analog watch I can abuse without having to worry about breaking it

>>18056373
Here you go

>>18056375
I bought a timex expedition about a year ago. I broke it in under a month.

>>18056378
There

>>18056378
Then get a nicer analog watch?

>>18056380
yeah I'm basically between that one and the camo one at the moment. most casioaks don't have enough contrast between the indices and the dial for my liking, save for the ones with the rgb AIDS colorway.

>>18056381
such as? I actually really liked my timex until it started randomly losing hours and the second hand started going backwards.

>>18056359
>gshocks favor function over form
That's not true at all.

>>18056392
it is for the most predominantly successful models before the retarded casioak fashion watch

>>18056385

It's hilarious to me there are debates in the "Casio community" about which Casio is the best.
These are $30 plastic toys lmao

>>18056348
I really wanted a cartier tank, but I’m not paying $1500 bucks for a beaten up louis from the 60’s, and a new QUARTZ model in STAINLESS STEEL goes for $3000, which is just ridiculous, even with brand markup. So I bought a fake one from China for $200. You were all seething about it
>muh CCP!
>it will feel cheap and fake!
It’s indistinguishable from the real thing, since it’s so easy to manufacture. It’s just a quartz movement in a steel case with printed dial. I feel really good about my purchase I like wearing it. Fake fags stay winning.

>>18056396
these look pretty nice. how durable are they really?

Amazon watches look better than any of these cereal box shitters. All made of the same parts.

>>18056403
as durable as a gshock at least albeit less water resistance but at the point get a dive watch

>>18056405
are you for or against these cereal toys you posted, I can't understand your autistic post

>>18056406
how have you put yours to the test? I broke my timex picking up and moving furniture in a warehouse. when people tell me a watch is durable they usually only use it to go for a walk or make a tinkle.

>>18056398
Tank Louis (pic related) are like $10k now.
$1500 is a quartz Tank Must with the gold coating all peeled off.

Yours is too big by the way. It also looks thick and overall inelegant. The traditional size for the Tank is 23x30mm. Yellow gold only.

>>18056406
>as durable as gshock
doubtful, could swing this shitter into a rock and it would come apart, a gshock wouldnt
fuck knows what that dude is doing with his watches if they're breaking monthly though

>>18056408
>picking up and moving furniture
so you snapped the springbar or what the fuck do you mean you "broke" your timex
you could really expand on your needs and uses instead of writing a 5th post that's mostly irrelevant

>>18056407
Sorry. The pic i posted is some watches i believe are better than the watches in this thread (aka the cereal box watches)

>>18056413
Vavavoom Chads... We back.

>>18056411
I already said it here >>18056385
in case you're wondering how badly I "abused" the timex, the glass was fine, the springbars were fine, the band was fine, but the movement broke

>>18056410
when my timex broke I replaced it with a gshock 5600 that is still perfect. I have heard that timex's manufacturing standards have gone done in the past few years so I could have just gotten a bad one.

>>18056415
>Sleek timeless design
>Tells the time AND the date
>Inside parts are the same used by Rolex and Seiko
>"oops i just lost it!"
>Don't stress, it's only $20

A sensible purchase. You kids wonder why you can't afford houses.

>>18056416
my bad, didn't read that post
I doubt very much it was your vigorous furniture picking that killed the watch, it's just that timex is chinese dogshit that's worse than most modern chinkshit
if you don't mind scratches, could choose from various alie brands like pagani design or that bertucci, just make sure it has a sapphire crystal, IMO
if you care about scratches, then get a gshock, their rubber cases make them almost indestructible, yet they have mineral glass for crystal so they can get scratched, but the raised bezel protects the glass from most damage
I think that timex you got was a lemon

>>18056415
It's literally perfect bros..
A miracle of modern manufacturing techniques.

>>18056428
you make a lot of sense anon. I think I might go with the bertucci after all.

>>18056357
I kinda like the g shock fitness tracker. It's needs charging for the heart monitoring features and etc.. but the clock is still solar.

>>18056348
Does anybody like anicorn?

>>18056432
Bros...

>>18056447

>>18056397
Not all of them.

>>18056436
Thickness?

>>18056437
Reminds me of Alain Silberstein, kindergarten tier.

>>18056437
wew lad, that's very retarded

>>18056452
The case is 39mm x 12mm

>>18056454
I know. That's why I posted it. I actually ordered the sega genesis watch. I'd wear that paris watch too. Being retarded is the best.. but I prefer to be called rey rey

>>18056398
>you were all seething about it
When did I do that? I feel like I would have remembered doing that.

>>18056447
Still better finishing than Rolex.

>>18056461
Rorexu

Will upgrading my stock SARB033 bracelet to https://www.strapcode.com/collections/watch-bands-for-seiko-sarb033/products/metal-ss-bcl20-b068 be a noticeable improvement?

>>18056485
The clasp and micro adjustment will make a difference.

Explorer / Oyster Perpetual 36mm > Daytona > Submariner > Submariner Date > Datejust 36mm > Day Date 36mm > GMT Master II > a pile of shit > Datejust 41 / OP 41 / Explorer 40mm / Day Date 40mm > Everything else

Hello senpai, almost missed my flight this morning because of this watch thread occupying my mind late into the night

On the flight I observed a gay fat bald middle aged or 3/4 aged flight attendant with a shiny watch with the same logo as mine. This is when it hit me what /fa/ watchnerds said is true. Fucking basic bitch

Need something better if I want to distance myself from the unwashed masses in the wagecage flexing department store accessories

>>18056367
>A bit further out, tourist free
Except for your brown ass contaminating it, of course.

>>18056498
Just in function or appearance? I've got a wedding this summer and want to look my best.

Do Japanese watches compare to swiss watches in terms of projecting status? I am biased and think not. Please give your opinion. Price range 4-5k

>>18056509
No.
Stick to Rolex/Omega/(Tudor) if you want that.

>>18056512
Thanks. So far I have only that tudor 54 on my short list. I will check omega also. Rolex is out of my budget for now.

>>18056507
Mostly function and appearance in your own eye. Others probably wouldn't notice much.

>>18056514
Rolex is in that budget of 4-5k however. Unless you absolutely don't want to buy used.

>>18056509
>Do Japanese watches compare to swiss watches in terms of projecting status?

Regardless of how you feel about Japanese watches (I, personally, love them) the sad fact is that they do not. It doesn't matter if it's a 20 dollar casio or a 20,000 dollar Grand Seiko, Japanese watches are considered toys by all normies and even most watch lovers. This is as true in Japan as it is everywhere else.

Most owners of Japanese watches don't seem to care one way or the other, but a lot of Grand Seiko owners are really bothered by this, like they need other people to help them justify their ownership.

>>18056519
i prefer new, mostly because i hate dealing with people and crooks

>>18056520
>lot of Grand Seiko owners are really bothered by this, like they need other people to help them justify their ownership.

I remember learning about this mental process in marketing courses. Lol

>>18056512
Which would you recommend between omega and tudor if i wanna look like a sophisticated possibly rich guy and also the quality must be very good

>>18056409
Appreciate the (You) but you’re just wrong on the size question. I specifically chose the small variant, which corresponds with the “traditional” size, which is 22 x 29.5. It’s also 6mm thick. You’re just judging the scale wrong off the picture.

>>18056523
elaborate

>>18056524
Do you want what some may think rich guys have? Or something that fits "rich guy aesthetic"? Or what they actually wear? Because there's thousands of very rich men wearing ugly Seamaster Professionals to formal occasions.

>>18056509
>Price range 4-5k
If you're willing to buy used, there are a ton of of nice watches of all types that are available.

Omegas like the Planet Ocean, particularly the desirable first gen, and the Speedmaster Professional.
All sorts of IWCs.
Lots of Cartiers, albeit steel models.
If you want a gold dress watch, you can find tons of dress watches from extremely prestigious brands.

4-5k is also the range where you start seeing some Rolexes in decent condition, albeit older ones like 1601/16013/16014 Datejusts. Those will require some homework on your part to avoid overpaying for a lemon.

I cant wait to have an actual nice watch. Here I was wearing 4 years what I thought to be very nice watch indeed

>>18056485
if I remember correctly, the stock bracelet is solid link and folded endlinks, with a shit clasp
the only noticable difference, I think, would be the clasp, and even then it has no on the fly adjustment, so for 100$ I'd expect more benefit than just that
you could theoretically find a good adjustable clasp that would fit the current bracelet, wouldn't cost over 50 and would be the biggest improvement

>>18056529
I want a watch that makes normies think wow that guy must be a dick, he could just wear an apple watch but wants to show he is better than me

>>18056528
It was basically about cognitive dissonance and buyer remorse/denial. For example european guy buys lexus then after is upset when he finds out that people hold mercedes benz in high esteem but not lexus. He will start archiving or framing on his wall any publications that mention that lexus is a better deal than mercedes benz to keep his sanity and forward this information to people he knows and wants to change their perception of his car

>>18056502
then shut your mouth about 24hr subdials and other bullshit that you can't wrap your pea brain around, and lurk this shithole until you can make a decision without needing to ask
or get a rolex and fuck off

>>18056536
Rolex. Get a superclone Day-Date.

Just make sure the rest of your wardrobe and lifestyle are those of someone who conceivably spend that much on a watch.

>>18056541
Thanks.
So it's like they feel like they were tricked?
Like, they thought they were being let in on a secret that the Grand Seiko is so much better but only realized after the fact that it was just marketing and no one else fell for it?

>>18056545
I drive a 2017 bmw model G12 750Ld. I am selling it because it is was my dream car (short of the M760Li which was out of budget) but the thing stresses me too much because my mind it very preoccupied with keeping it pristine and flawless.

>>18056547
>So it's like they feel like they were tricked?

Yes but they go back and forth in their minds between "everone else is stupid and doesnt see greatness staring them in the face" and "oh god what have i done fuck my life i wish the earth would open up and swallow me"

>>18056550
Ah, then they need OTHER people to tell them that they made a good decision because they can no longer believe it when they tell themselves they made a good decision.

This was in a marketing class?

>>18056547
>Thanks
This is the first time in my life someone thanked me for an answer to a question. It is a surreal experience. Are you an A.I.?

>>18056554
>Ah, then they need OTHER people to tell them that they made a good decision because they can no longer believe it when they tell themselves they made a good decision.

Yes, this is basically it. They want at all cost avoid the state of mind of remorse. So thet constantly look for, preferably facts and figures based, to validate their purchase that did not give the expected subjective experience. Cars are highly emotional purchases and the marketing around it is all about emotion. When someone is sending you technical facts about something he already has, the person is probably experiencing this phenomenon.

Yes it was in marketing class, but not in our studybook. Teacher was talking about it. Probably you can find some material on it online when searching for customer experience cognitive dissonance remorse. Something like that.

>>18056555
Nope, it was a new experience for me too. I'd never had a question on /wt/ given a real answer.

>>18056561
Lmao. Im that guy with the department store armani watch. I dont really fit in here yet but soon to be part of the disinguished gentlemen club (maybe)

One unsollicited sidenote on marketing. To the uninitiated marketing is like a fringe activity and synonympus with advertising. In reality marketing is the brain of the body and without it there is no company

>>18056437
as a daily shitter to get women to comment on how they love your watch yeah it's fine

>>18056485
One million percent, yes. I love Seikos but they never figured out their bracelet game.

>>18056535
>folded endlinks
You mean hollow?

>>18056567
>One unsollicited sidenote on marketing. To the uninitiated marketing is like a fringe activity and synonympus with advertising. In reality marketing is the brain of the body and without it there is no company

When I was in the army, I had a commanding officer who said exactly that, verbatim. 96th Civil Affairs?

>>18056574
Really? I just said that based on what I learned about marketing. Its not a quote or anything just my learnings put in normal words. Maybe your boss also studied marketing courses or just observed this first hand

>>18056574
I was paraphrasing the teacher who said that without marketing there is no direction (think a ship with no one at the steering wheel, everybody in the machine rooms)

>>18055910
>Except only Blancpain used among Swatch, while not Swatch yet, and also being used by VC and AP.
Stop this shit, Mortadello. Or keep telling yourself that, I guess. I'm really sorry you didn't know this before you bought it but the 2nd gen Chrono is the least exclusive model to get despite being most expensive (for now). You're using a movement that was sold in a fucking CARTIER. And a fucking BLANCPAIN. And is owned and made by fucking SWATCH.

This is a disgrace to a self respecting Overseas owner. You bought the idiot filter of the Overseas models. You're a fucking idiot, there is the reason. I did my research before buying. I avoided the Chronograph like the plague. I thought about the Dual TIme, but it's too thick (making it look less high end). The time only is the best and only model worth getting from the 2nd generation. It's actually so fucking good that it's superior to the 3rd generation in many ways (hacking for one, and the 3rd gen is still based on the same JLC movement but modified further to add more power reserve).

At any rate, the time and dual time came with an in house movement used EXCLUSIVELY by Vacheron in this modified version (and the base version by JLC). Sure I won't say the movement was designed by Vacheron but it was designed by their little sister company which is basically the same thing. At the end the important thing is movement exclusivity, not where it was designed, and your Chronograph movement is bought from an EXTERNAL company (hint: nothing in house about that), AND it isn't exclusive to VC / Richemont.

>buying the fat outsourced Chrono when you could have had the model that is thinner than most Quartz watches and to this day the thinnest Overseas ever made

Fucking. Idiot.

>>18056582
I cum on this piece of paper daily.

If I paid 20k for this (or more) I couldn't live with myself. External movement supplier (SWATCH, fucking hell, of all companies), thick as FUCK, ruining the beautiful aesthetic of the Overseas.

A holy trinity piece that isn't slim is a disgrace. I wish you had asked me before buying you fucking faggot.

>>18056547
>>18056541
I don't understand. This conversation basically pertains exclusively to status and perception or what? Because it doesn't seem like actual objective use cases and differences in technology are taken into account at all?

This is art. This is how an Overseas should be proportioned. I'm not buying any newer model until they make it thin again.

>>18056554
One more comment on this.

It is the lack of other people's approval combined with observing those people giving a lot of unsollicited validation to people with the alternative to their purchase that start chipping away at their purchase satisfaction. They probably subconsciously at least expected people to give them props for being a genius and gettinh that grand seiko spring driveTM

Then there is no applause. And they grow disappointed. Well maybe the unwashed masses just need to be educated into giving me my props. Let me send my buddy a link to joe rogan chatting with a seiko shill, that should do the trick, after all the man on the street loves joe rogan! Buddy doesnt respond. Ok maybe he is not into watches? Next day at work overhear buddy talking to someone else about how his uncle got a super sweet rolex and he is mirin hard.

This is when the disappointment escalates into first stage of madness.

>>18056594
I cannot fathom why one would care about something like that. I guess in the first place this is only possible if you are someone who wants to flaunt things. In certain cultures this line of thinking would be seen as strange as fuck because from a young age one is taught that showing off things you have is looked down upon and embarrassing.

Do all modern Chopards have amazing movements or is the 1.96 a standout?

>>18056590
Excellent question. Short answer is yes.

Think of a guy who deep down always wanted an aston martin but those things are unaffordable for most mortals. Now this guy tricks himself into believing a jaguar F type is just as good for much less bux (in fact if not better? It is a fucking jaguar after all. A savage murderous animal ehehehe!)

Guy buys it and over time notices that people dont give him props. He starts questioning himself subconsciously that shit is all he will ever be because it is not an aston. Starts googling copium to silence the voices in his head. Finds paid and meanwhile dated articles propping the f type jag to be a one of a kind enthusiast car of choice not a dumb money car like aston ehehehe. Sends this article to his friends and relatives, sometimes up to several years after purchasing the car. Nobody responds. There is no catharsis. This cope has meant nothing.

>>18056602
Most Chopards have shit movements.

>>18056520
Each school of watchmaking kind of has its own strengths and its own personality that is clear when you see them trying to produce a watch that is not within their relative wheelhouses.
>Swiss watches are watches as an artform. They are revered for the history and pride they have in clockwork technology and nobody can compete with them in finishing and innovation. They struggle with making budget pieces both because mass production doesn't allow for any of these strengths to manifest at low costs and because their government regulations designed to preserve the industry as a cornerstone of their economy won't economically allow for cheap mechanical watches.
>German watches are cold, brutalist toolmaking. The watch has a job to do, everything on the watch has a job to do, there's nothing extraneous about any of their elements. They can be very stuffy and almost joyless, and if they try to do something playful it's as if someone made a remark that you understand from the context is supposed to be a joke but you don't really get it so to avoid making the situation uncomfortable you just smile and look the other way.
>Japanese watches are fun but functional accessories. They are affordable, come in many shapes and sizes and colors, not afraid to explore and challenge what a watch can be. They struggle to perform to the highest degree of finishing and precision that the others reach so their more expensive options often struggle with having poorly executed bracelets or questionable choices of materials. They seem to want to charge premium prices without putting the money and effort behind manufacturing standards that w wpuld justify charging premium prices.

>>18056595
You are also coping in your own way if you pretend to actually not want to flaunt nice things even a little. Come on now lettuce be reality here

>>18056607
I think we're from two very different cultures so there can't be any understanding had here. Someone showings off his car or some expensive thing he bought is seen as a joke. Connections you can flaunt, academical achievements I've seen people flaunt. Material goods that can simply be bought with money? Nah.

>>18056595
>I cannot fathom why one would care about something like that.

Like it or not, it's simply human nature to want approval from others. We're a social species. We also want to avoid embarrassment.

Engaging in behavior that you believe is smart and everyone else believes is stupid will cause you embarrassment when the truth is revealed to you. Thus, you are then presented with a couple options:
>admit you were wrong and change course
this option is the one that will get you readmitted into the group's good graces but also requires accepting fault, which causes further feelings of shame.
>double down
this coping method requires you do deny that any embarrassment occurred and it is, in fact, everyone else who is wrong. While this preserves your pride, it also further ostracizes you from the group.

>>18056611
Who the fuck gets embarrassed by their car? This seems like a ridiculous notion. Yeah obviously people want group approval but I've never seen this applied in this way.

>>18056602
Not all of them by a longshot.

>>18056604
>is just as good
Just as good at what?

>>18056611
>when the truth is revealed to you
What truth is there to be revealed?

>>18056614
>>18056605
Alright so I'll just stick to certain ones then.

>>18056590
Also. Did you notice that car commercials are never about technical specs but always show a guy having the time of his life and just happens to be driving the car they are selling. Your point about technical specs is autism land logic. Normies dont buy mercedes benz because it outperforms a toyota (even tho it goes without saying that it should and does) but because they subconsciously (or even consciously if they are really retarded) think that it will turn them into the guy in the commercial, living his best life.

Now reality is different of course, he just signed more of his life away as a shoveling slave in the engine room of capitalism. Nobody willl give him props they will just be jealous or look down on him. In the end its a big shit show and by the time you realize it is, you are burried so deep in shit that you might as well flush yourself

My two cents

>>18056615
This is the thing. See my long post about what drives people to buy in reality vs in autism land >>18056618
>>18056618

>>18056618
That's not true. Commercials vary drastically depending on the nature of the car. Offroader, sports car, family ev and so on.

>>18056613
>Who the fuck gets embarrassed by their car?
If you use your car as a point of pride then it is also a potential point of embarrassment.

That's why I used the broad terminology of behavior, not any specific action.
You can take pride in your job.
You can take pride in your sense of style.
You can take pride in your country's football team.

But that means that someone else can have a better job, or make more money doing the same job; it means your clothes can go out of fashion; it means that your team can lose. All these will result in humiliation.

The guy who buys the car can talk about how luxuriously appointed it is or how fast it is in the hopes that other guys who are interested in cars will be impressed by his purchase. But he runs the risk that they are unimpressed if someone else has a better car, or knows of a better car that could have been purchased for the same or less money.

It's not about the car, it's about demonstrating how clever and tasteful you are.

>>18056618
>Also. Did you notice that car commercials are never about technical specs
What the fuck nigga? Commercials about cars constantly go on about fuel economy, safety, 0 to 60, off roads capability or load capacity.

>>18056620
Wrong. They are all focused on lifestyle

>>18056616
>What truth is there to be revealed?
The truth that everyone else thinks the person is being stupid when he himself thinks he's being smart.

>>18056626
I don't think that's the truth. At all. Never in my life have I ever met someone who cared much about someone else's car.

>>18056622
That's a sad way of living. I don't think I know someone like this, but seeking that much affirmation in others is pathetic.

>>18056629
You're deliberately being obtuse.

>>18056624
Really? Post evidence of such a commercial. Let me analyse it. Never seen anything like what you claim. Maybe it is market dependent. What is your country?

>>18056631
America. Pretty sure the big 3 all have advertised their main trucks by towing capacity at one point or another. Same goes for the Tesla Cybertruck, which is why there was so much controversy when it may have not been able to do that.

>>18056630
I think you need to seek religion. Fulfillment can, and should be, gained in other ways.

It comes as no surprise that retardation of this degree is caused by a fag with a fucking Armani watch coming into the thread.

>>18056636
This general really doesn't belong on /fa/

>>18056637
It doesn't but no matter how much the board shits up this thread, and the thread equally fucks up the board, no action will be taken anymore it seems.

>>18056634
Ok its possible. European market advertises purely on lifestyle because we are more evolved and past that stage.

Mercedes commercial 100% about high powered executive lifestyle
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CnUe0CeRwSc&pp=ygUTbWVyY2VkZXMgY29tbWVyY2lhbA%3D%3D

>>18056618
I don't know that I've ever seen an ad for a vehicle that didn't include some level of specs (fuel economy, travel range, capacity, horsepower, torque, crash safety ratings, etc...) almost every ad is going to focus on some level either on performance, safety, or how much shit you can haul, or a combination of these things. And, yes, how cool you would be if you had that feature.

>>18056642
Watch a couple of commercials and gice what I said some consideration. Even if they sprinkle it with some gimmicks it is oveewhelmingly lifestyle centered. I admit I may have overstated if I said "only" lifestyle, but I stand by "overwhelmingly lifestyle focused"

>>18056592
>The first watch released under Richemont ownership - a 42mm industrial-made Royal Oak/Nautilus obvious cope - is art

>>18056645
Is it cope if it costs a similar price and is just as limited?

>>18056405
Lige bros...

>>18056648
More like Lige MY BALLS! OH!

>>18056648
Which quartz movement is used in these? Not a Seiko one I presume obviously. But are they from a certain company or what?

Fantasy Lifestyle centered
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PkUO7ZfRelE&pp=ygUTbWVyY2VkZXMgY29tbWVyY2lhbA%3D%3D

>>18056647
>costs a similar price
For that price you have a beaten two tone 1980s 27mm Nautilus with a quartz movement.

>>18056653
If my "cope" watches cost $17k I'd like to think I must be doing pretty well.

>>18056653
Why would you not compare the retail price?

>>18056657
Financially sure, I guess (although I would argue $17k is not that much).
I just find it funny how you larp as some "high horology" enthusiast when in fact you just spent Rolex money on a rather unpopular and undesirable early 2000s VC.

>>18056645
Overseas 2nd gen is hand made, even dial texture is hand made.
>>18056647
He's just salty, ignore him.
>>18056666
>(although I would argue $17k is not that much).
lmao get a load of this fucking idiot. 17k is not much but 17k on a wristwatch is a hell of a lot.
>you
You're not talking to the VC owner, there are like 3 people telling you off. Fucking kill yourself idiot. The 2nd gen is the most popular Overseas ever made, you just don't know shit about watches.

>>18056451
Mah nigga

>>18056669
>The 2nd gen is the most popular Overseas ever made
If that were true, it would sell for way more than the 3rd gen on the grey market.

Does someone have a gif ot something of the escapement in their high beat GS? I'd like to look at a running dual pulse escapement. I know whoretadello has a spring drive, not high beat.

>>18056675
Popularity doesn't dictate price. The Speedy is far more popular than most watches in the world but the Speedy isn't the most expensive even among its less popular competition. You're posting logical fallacies.

The 2nd gen has been steadily increasing in price since 2015 and will only keep going up because they are exclusive, limited, handmade and considered the defacto standard Overseas design. Ask any watch expert and he'll tell you the 2nd gen is the best designed model, the 3rd gen is only better in movement specs and price (more expensive). And yeah, the 3rd gen is 10k more expensive, at retail and used, that's how this works. But eventually the 2nd gen will sell equivalent or even higher than 3rd gen. Remember that the most valuable Pateks are not always the newest. Shit, often the most valuable Pateks are the older ones that were cheaper for a long time.

>>18056677
I'd understand asking for a watch that's like 500 bucks. But not something over ten times that, who the fuck would take their watch apart for an anon wanting to see something?

we up

What's the verdict on 38mm Oris Big Crown?

>>18056682
>Popularity doesn't dictate price.
When it comes to discontinued watches, yes it does.
You can buy a brand new Speedmaster that is 99% the same as one produced 10 years ago.
Your only option to buy a 2nd gen Overseas is the grey market. $17k is a lot of money, but that's very low for a stainless steel sports watch from a brand like VC which is supposed to be on par with the PP Nautilus.

The Overseas in general is very unpopular. Even 2 years ago when integrated bracelet SS sports watches were immensely popular its price on the grey market stayed relatively low. Now try to walk into an AP boutique and ask for a RO jumbo, and see what happens.

As for the 2nd gen I disagree. It looks very dated, especially compared to the 3rd gen. The hands, dial and that gross date window especially make it look like a 90s watch.

>>18056699
Crown too big. I know that's what they are known for, but it serves no purpose and the design is better without it

>>18056666
>$17k isn't that much
Who are we kidding here? Of course it is. Maybe not for net worth, like if you just had $17k in the bank, but to spend on a glorified bracelet of course that's a lot of money. I don't know how you could reasonably argue it isnt.
>that's rolex money
Rolex doesn't make Vascherons though.

>>18056699
They should make big crown pointer dates with a small crown and no date. Really keep people on their toes.

>>18056701
>You can buy a brand new Speedmaster that is 99% the same as one produced 10 years ago.
And it costs 30 to 40% more than the old one. Unless we are talking vintage collectibles, that is entirely different and you know it. The coaxial Speedy is more expensive than the predecessor main line models, prove me wrong.

> but that's very low for a stainless steel sports watch from a brand like VC which is supposed to be on par with the PP Nautilus.
Absolutely and that's why I and others are buying them. If you can't see that VC is going to take off in some years you're an idiot. These watches are great value at the moment. People have been asleep and are coming around to VC now.

>The Overseas in general is very unpopular.
Totally, compared to PP and AP. I wasn't debating that. I was saying the 2nd gen is the sweetspot of the Overseas. The 3rd gen is considered bad value for money, and uses an objectively inferior design (for several reasons, feel free to google it).

>As for the 2nd gen I disagree. It looks very dated, especially compared to the 3rd gen. The hands, dial and that gross date window especially make it look like a 90s watch.
It's your opinion, but it's an idiotic take, hate to break it to you. Why are people like Watchbox saying the 2nd gen is preferable over the 3rd (aside from movement specs)? Because they, like every other watch guy, knows that the 2nd gen is the better piece. They don't make any money off that, they make more money off the new one. And yet they say unless you value movement above everything else, buy the 2nd gen. It's a no brainer.

And yeah, if the 2nd gen cost 40k, I wouldn't be buying it either but that's true for any watch, it's stupid as fuck to spend that kind of money if you're not a billionaire.

>>18056717
Here's the video concerning 3rd gen vs 2nd gen by the way:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsvocH9Z0PY

But yeah, obviously some anime posting frog eating nigger faggot is the final truth on what is good design and what isn't. Meanwhile in the real world people like the 2nd gen better despite being cheaper.

Guess what, rainbow daytonas are more expensive than Subs, and yet the Sub is more popular, is it not? Oh wait, you shifted the goalposts to discontinued models. So I'm guessing that old Subs should be more expensive than brand new Subs. But that isn't true either. What the fuck? lmao

>>18056701
>>Popularity doesn't dictate price.
>When it comes to discontinued watches, yes it does.
once again: factually wrong. Either you don't have a clue or you're an idiot. Or both. This statement is so absurd, so fucking stupid and dumb, that I'm actually making another post about it.

You're saying that on discontinued models, popularity dictates price? So the most expensive discontinued watch in the world is also the most popular watch in the world? Fuck that's dumb as shit man. How can you keep a straight face posting this shit?

here's a link for lazy fucks with time code

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsvocH9Z0PY&t=70s

>>18056645
>a 42mm industrial-made Royal Oak/Nautilus
The 2nd gen dials were made in collaboration with Fp Journe

Did you want to humiliate yourself further?

What is the best automatic Rolex movement?

>>18056717
>trust me bro, the watch I just bought will be worth 10 times what I paid, 2 more weeks!
lol okay sure

Sadly for you anon, the trend for SS integrated bracelet sports watch is dying. The market is literally going the opposite direction right now, ie small dress watches in precious metal. A Cartier Tank Louis from the 80s with an ETA movement is worth 10k now. Piaget sell for well over 5k. Every brands will want a share of that. Except to see a shit ton of 1960s/1970s reeditions in the coming years.

The Royal Oak and Nautilus will obviously remain popular because these are iconic watches. Same for Rolex.
Your 42mm 2nd gen Overseas from the late 2010s with its 4:30 date window? You're fucking delusional.

>Why are people like Watchbox saying the 2nd gen is preferable over the 3rd?
They buy cheap and dump with a fat margin on their diabetic boomer customer base. I can guarantee you the guys at Watchbox all wear Patek and Rolex (except for Tim Mosso who likes weird shitters, but he's a sperg so he doesn't make trends).

Hey guys. I wanted to thank you all for your help in deciding my first "real" watch. Just got my Casio Oceanus in the mail and what can I say, it's really really nice and I'm more than happy with my choice.

In the future I'll probably look into automatics with a similar finish to this. Truly the jewelry for men.

>>18056755
>that watch will be worthless soon, trust me bro
Yeah okay bro. I don't see any arguments here anymore. The 2nd gen has been appreciating steadily for 10 years and keeps rising. Your opinion is shit, hang yourself, do us a favor.

>>18056755
>small dress watches in precious metal. A Cartier Tank Louis from the 80s with an ETA movement is worth 10k now. Piaget sell for well over 5k. Every brands will want a share of that. Except to see a shit ton of 1960s/1970s reeditions in the coming years.
Ah, so we're getting to the bottom of it. You're a fucking wristlet who wears dress watches.

You're seriously claiming that dress watches are making a comeback? In the steel sports world we live in? LMAO this will

N E V E R
E
V
E
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happen in this universe. Tell me how many vintage 60s shitters do you own bro? Anything not ETA? At last I truly see what your problem is. You're jealous that your sub 5k dog shit isn't valuable. Try and find an actual buyer for that Cartier ETA junk instead of looking at inflated prices.

>>18056759
Based

To those of you who have gold watches, do whores notice? I'm wondering because I'm considering getting a Rolex Datejust with jubilee bracelet and white gold because I like how it's glimmering.

>>18056765
Women think gold pieces are cringe on a young-ish man, where are you going with this? The most attention I've received for my Omegas (Speedy and Sea), despite not being my most valuable watches at all.

>>18056766
Omegas are too big for my wrists.

Also I was under the impression whores dont know watches.

>>18056770
>Omegas are too big for my wrists.
What the fuck
A 41mm is too big for your wrists? Sure?

There's still the Aqua Terra then, or a Speedy reduced.

>Also I was under the impression whores dont know watches.
You'd be surprised. They won't be able to identify the model you're wearing, but they know Rolex, Omega, Tag, Breitling, and if they're in high paying jobs they also know Patek and VC.

Did the guy who bought the used Overseas ever post a wrist shot?

>>18056773
3 Overseas owners in these threads, all 2nd gen.

>>18056772
I've tried them at the retailer. Aqua Terra fits but still feels too heavy imo. I like the light weight of the 36mm Rolex. Same with Calatrava but impossible to find in my city.

Also I'm not THAT young anymore. Mid 30's.

>>18056759
quartz is better

>>18056782
Way too young for an all gold piece. I wouldn't dare. Get a Tag Carrera glass box, Heuer 02 movement, it's fucking class and should fit your wrist.

>>18056763
>me noticing trends means I like these trends
For what it's worth, I only wear Rolex. Timeless, accurate, iconic. Don't need more.
>You're seriously claiming that dress watches are making a comeback? In the steel sports world we live in?
Yes.
>Cartier overtaking Omega
>VC's reissues of their 1960s and 1970s watches
>Piaget's reissue of the Polo 79
>Chopard's reissue of the 36mm LUC 1860
>PP bigger than ever despite discontinuing the SS Nautilus
>micro brands like Baltic or Kuoe being super popular
>vintage price for Cartier, Piaget, 1960s PP, VC, JLC
>Hodinkee shilling vintage watches every week
>guys like Mike Nouveau emerging from nowhere
These are just a few examples.
Wait for W&W and check the future releases.

>>18056792
Dresswatch bros... We back.

>>18056788
It's not an all gold piece though. Only the bezel is white gold. Also white gold so not as flashy as yellow gold.

>>18056792
Can you please stop noticing things?

I'm having sex with a black chick tonight. Will try to take some pics with my Rolex on.

>>18056773
>Did the guy who bought the used Overseas ever post a wrist shot?
Of course not. That's a lose-lose. We'd see the shitty condition it's in, and how poor it fits on his wrist.

He'll just keep trying to force the meme that his watch is good and once he feels a critical mass has been reached he'll try to post it.

>>18056792
>These are just a few examples.
Nobody cares or buys any of them. Stop deluding yourself. Dress watches are dead and will stay dead.

>>18056825
Now I know you're a confirmed retard, because you revealed that
>you buy overpolished watches because they "look new"
>you don't buy used
>you think everyone is a wristlet

Not to mention you were generic Rolex garbage. I bet you own three black dial Rolex watches, am I on the money? Fucking kek you are so predictable.

>>18056792
>For what it's worth, I only wear Rolex. Timeless, accurate, iconic. Don't need more.
You forgot
>boring, overhyped, overbought
Every cunt car salesman wears a Sub. Congratulations. My collection is worth more than your car tho.

>>18056765
yes anon the fluted bezel shines whores will notice enjoy many sexs after you buy one

>>18056835
You'll wear some kind of Cartier Tank or PP Calatrava cope in the next 2 years. Guaranteed. People like you always follow trends with a 2 years lag. The fact you bought an integrated bracelet sports watch in 2024 is enough proof of that.

>>18056845
>You'll wear some kind of Cartier Tank or PP Calatrava cope in the next 2 years. Guaranteed.
No, I won't, because
>People like you always follow trends with a 2 years lag.
I don't. Keep making up your head canon here, you are seriously fucked in the head bro. Seek help. I'm actually serious about that. You're projecting some shit that has hurt you in the past (people calling you out for what you own and wear) and trying to use it against someone who is your superior in every way. This is fucking sad bro.

And lmao at the fact that a Rolex collector calls others out for following trends, I mean holy fucking delusion smokes bajeezus.

>>18056437
Are you a literal child?
You have to be +18 to be here, you know?

>>18056837
I don't think you know who think you're responding to. You're so upset you've twisted yourself in knots.

>>18056850
Is that the silver case one? Is it good?

>>18056854
>Is that the silver case one? Is it good?
It's the ceramic cased one and no, it is not good.

>>18056853
Ah, we're falling back into the
>u mad
routine because you've run out of steam. Sad to watch. Don't worry, I'm leaving anyway, I have other shit to do, the pounding of your ass will continue some other day. I know you're here 24/7.

>>18056856
>I'm leaving anyway,
LMAO, no you aren't.
You'll keep coming back like the good little lolcow you are.

>>18056854
It's ceramic and completely unscratchable. The perfect daily.

>>18056859
>The perfect daily.
...perfect, apart from the fact that it looks like crap and it's too big for you.

>>18056847
>I d-dont follow t-trends I swear!!!
Let's be real anon.

Integrated bracelet sports watches were everywhere 3 years ago. Hundreds of brands suddenly had to make one : Citizen, Tissot, Christopher Ward, Bell & Ross, Baume & Mercier, Chopard, Piaget, IWC, Zenith, Girard Perregaux, Laurent Ferrier, H. Moser....

You? You're a laggard. You were late to the party and yet you still decided to show up like the sheep you are.
Right now you're in the phase where you have to pretend you made the best investment of your life, but we both know what's coming.

>>18056859
>completely unscratchable
But it sure can crack and chip pretty easily.

>>18056866
Ceramiqueens, our response?

>>18056737
Show me where is that written.

>>18056844
thank you kind anon i will go debtmaxx my credit card nao

>>18056765
Nobody notices white gold. Go yellow or rose.

>>18056871
The company makes dials for undisclosed clientele, and few names are known – the historical relationship with Vacheron Constantin remains (in 2012, Cadraniers produced about 11,000 dials per year, with the majority going to Vacheron; the numbers nowadays are kept secret).

>>18056737
>The 2nd gen dials were made in collaboration with Fp Journe

>>18056871
>Show me where is that written.

Turns out that's bullshit.

A company called Les Cadraniers de Genève, which makes dials for F.P. Journe (he doesn't make his dials in-house) was rumored to to have been the same company that made the blue dial for the Overseas.

Well, a guy on WUS wrote to them and the company confirmed they did not.
https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/vc-overseas-blue-dial-and-the-fp-journe-chronometreblue-rumor.5454931/

Used Overseas guy was trying to make his watch seem more impressive and face-planted.

>>18056877
Turns out animefag is grasping at straws again. We're not talking about the blue dial nor 3rd gen. They made the guilloche dials for the 2nd gen. Hurts?

>>18056877
BTFO'd The Fuck Out!

>>18056877
>A company called Les Cadraniers de Genève, which makes dials for F.P. Journe (he doesn't make his dials in-house)

>in 2012, Cadraniers produced about 11,000 dials per year, with the majority going to Vacheron

kek this is sad to watch, why are you so jealous of my holy trinity piece?

>>18056876
>Source: just trust me
I thought you were going to leave? You're still here?

>>18056879
>>18056877
This is the most blatant and pathetic samefag ever. The chances of two people using GIFs subsequently are like one in a million. By the way
>GIF
Holy shit lmao what are you 80? Technophone?

>>18056882
Source:
>https://monochrome-watches.com/in-depth-francois-paul-journe-cadraniers-boiters-de-geneve-independent-watchmaking/

Oops. Hurt much?

>leave
I'm hovering while doing other stuff, I love making you rage over a piece that outclasses everything you've ever done or owned.

>>18056883
Sorry kid.

>>18056886
>ten seconds in paint
I'm very impressed. Did you realize 4chan allowed changing themes by the way? First timer?

>>18056884
That article doesn't say anything about the 2nd gen Overseas, though. You're coming off as pretty desperate, but truly, this meltdown of yours is actually funnier than the first time.

>>18056880
Post a wristshot.

>>18056886
Oh shit now I realize
>mobile cancer
This is only getting better.

>>18056889
Haha, holy fuck, I can't believe how badly you need to shift the goalposts to make yourself look less retarded.

>it's real if i keep repeating it, right mom?

I'm blowing you the fuck away and it's pretty obvious, but yes, stick to your head canon, whatever they taught you in disabled school I guess. Say it again
>m-meltdown
kek this is gold.

Hey which color black dial Rolex are you gonna wear tomorrow?

>>18056892
>Say's hes going to leave
>Goes nowhere
Keep dancing for us, monkey.

>>18056889
>That article doesn't say anything about the 2nd gen Overseas, though.
Doesn't need to, by the way. Vacheron doesn't make any of their dials themselves. They mostly come from them, some don't. The guilloche dials came from them because at the time Vacheron didn't make those in house and they stopped making guilloche dials because of that when the in house craze started. There are no sources on this because it's not public information obviously, same as how Rolex doesn't make their own dials and won't tell anyone about that either.

>>18056892
See >>18056891

Why are you so scared to?

>>18056896
Movement from someone else (and not finished to Geneva Seal standards or chronometer certified)
Dial from someone else
Case from someone else

So the only thing that VC is really good at is finishing and your movement is not given anything beyond what JLC did at the factory.

Holy Trinity indeed. Very impressive.

>>18056900
>Movement from someone else (and not finished to Geneva Seal standards or chronometer certified)
Exclusive to VC though.
>Dial from someone else
Correct, and I don't know any watchmaker that makes their own dials, possibly RM. Again, not even Rolex does.
>Case from someone else
No, this is made by them indeed. Not sure about melting the steel but everything after that is them, from pieces. Far as I know only Rolex make their own steel.

>>18056900
>So the only thing that VC is really good at is finishing and your movement is not given anything beyond what JLC did at the factory.

Isn't this true for almost every PP and AP piece aside from the most recent in house movements? Patek used 3rd party chronographs until a few years ago, and they only improve some of the dials by hand, like the world timer which is hand painted, but the dials themselves are also purchased.

Yeah, it was
>Patek 5231
>hand painted enamel dial (only 2 artists at Patek Philippe qualified to do the enamel painting)

Pretty sure they have the dials made and a few of them are touched by hand, others not at all. Those world timers are fucking nice of course, if only they weren't tiny.

>>18056903
Rolex actually does make their own dials. They have for a couple years now.
https://www.phigora.com/blogs/phigora/a-comprehensive-guide-to-rolex-dials

>>18056915
Oh yeah, they tried to buy the company that made them (family owned business) and they told Rolex to fuck off, so Rolex opened their own workshops. I heard that their dials declined after that, might be bullshit though.

>>18056904
Not necessarily. AP and PP did make some of their own movements. But because they couldn't industrialize every single movement, they would outsource other movements. Or they would buy a blank from another company, then heavily modify it.

VC was a little different in that they were never component makers at all until very recently. They were an etablisseur, meaning they would outsource every single component from 3rd party suppliers and then do finishing and final assembly.

>>18056859
>completely unscratchable
Come see me next time you're in Tokyo and we'll see about that.

>>18056900
>not finished to Geneva Seal standards or chronometer certified

VC doesn't finish all their pieces to Geneva Seal standards. I think some of the current generation Overseas are.
As for chronometer certification, VC does that rarely. Some of the first generation Overseas were actually chronometer rated, but they stopped doing that in the late 90s, IIRC.

They have an internal standard called royal chronometer, which is when a watch is both chronometer rated and has the Geneva Seal, but those are very rare. They made a couple of sports watches, one in the 70s (it wasn't the 222) and one in the 90s that had it, and then there were some limited edition dressy pieces made here and there.

>retard buys shit tier Vacheron to flex on /wt/
>anons make fun of him
>he spergs out and leave the thread
kek you don't see that on Watchuseek

>>18056931
>he spergs out and leave the thread
He's not going anywhere. He'll try and flex again in a couple days and see if some of the avatarfags call him based.

>>18056931
>retard buys shit tier Vacheron to flex on /wt/

he already tried that at least once before, hence the op image in one of the previous threads.
>>18047799

>>18056624
>>18056634
>>18056640
modern american car ads are all aimed at women.

>>18056933
>>18056931
Your obsession with somebody else doing something he's not doing is astounding. I don't give a fuck about these faggot ass namefags around, least of all do I want their approval, or yours for that matter seeing as you're a giant homosexual from France. I just like to post and shitpost, deal with it.

I genuinely think the Vacheron gatekeeper is hilarious, albeit a bit sad at the same time.

>>18056930
This guy gets it. But who gives a shit about Chronometers in the holy trinity?

>>18056923
>VC was a little different in that they were never component makers at all
This is really just wrong. VC are a great movement maker concerning grand complications.
>until very recently.
I think their most recent simple movements are inferior to the JLC modified movements. Who the fuck makes a non hacking movement in this day and age? Come the fuck on. And 60 hour power reserve? What the fuck is that? I can get an IWC with 120 hours for a fraction of the price. Sure, make a new in house movement, but if it sucks I will prefer the ebauche. Too fucking bad.

Some of the earlier VC movements are legendary compared to the current sports line.

>>18056641
>furry lifestyle ad

>>18056935
Your insecurities are showing.
>guy posts watch
>Y-YOU ARE F-F-FLEXING ILL TELL MOMMY

I will have to keep "flexing" if it drives you mad, sorry honey. I don't think there's shit you can do about it, either, since I'm posting watches in the watch thread... blow me faggot.

>>18056652
>an ad about two cars fucking
are all euro car ads marketed towards degenerate autists?

>>18056759
based

>>18056937
>But who gives a shit about Chronometers in the holy trinity?

You still want that level of accuracy. It shows craftsmanship. It used to be more important when companies actually competed in accuracy trials. Nowadays it doesn't matter as much since people who own these high end watches wear them in rotation. They don't run long enough to where you notice that they gain 10 seconds per day.

Third-party certifications do matter, too. Remember in 2009 when Patek stopped doing the Geneva Seal and replaced it with the PP Seal? Everyone called bullshit on that, even if Patek had a reasonable reason for not adhering to the Geneva Seal standards.

>>18056944
>Your insecurities are showing.
says the lolcow who gobbles up every piece of bait in the thread.

If you weren't insecure, you'd post a wrist shot and ignore the haters, but you haven't done that.

>>18056949
If a watch over $2k is off by 10 seconds a day or more something is very wrong. I have $200 shitters with better accuracy than that.

>>18056944
>I'm posting watches in the watch thread
When will people stop this faggotry..

I thought JLC only did their Master collection pieces in dinner plate sizes nowadays, but apparently they make a Master Ultrathin Moon in 36mm? I hadn't heard about that.

>>18056982
Only that one piece. And then they fucking advertise it as a female piece. This is what Rolex/Tudor gets and Richemont retards dont.

>>18056973
When those faggots are asleep, this thread is so slow it risks falling off page 10.

>>18056982
>look up the collection
>it's mostly 39mm diameter 9mm thick cases
That's what we're calling dinner plate now?

damn this vacheron retard must be completely bald LOL at least divorced dipshit and fat finn can take a joke.

>here’s my watch

>>18056991
This always depends on the kind of watch one is talking about. A 40mm Sub? Great proportions. A 42mm Seiko diver? They always make those fit well. But a 39mm watch that is more on the dressy side of things? Looks weird to me. Pic related, something I saw when I googled it. Sure by all means the watch fits on his wrist in terms of complete case size, but it feels like it should be smaller.

>>18056996
The collection has a 39mm perpetual calendar(already fairly small for a perpetual calendar) that is still only 9mm thick. I get it if you feel it doesn't work on your wrist with your sleeves and you'd rather wear something smaller, but can you appreciate how insane that is?

>>18056996
With a thin bezel like that, it would probably look good at as a 36-37mm but if you went any smaller it would probably start to look too dainty.

Rolex can get away with selling 36mm watches for a couple of reasons:
- it's a Rolex. Buyers don't care about the size, they care about it saying Rolex on the dial
- the Oyster case is not round, it's cushion-shaped and therefore always wear bigger.

Personally, I wouldn't mind if they scaled back their Master Control watches back to 37mm like they were in the 90s, but the 39mm watches aren't as bad as they sound because their lug-to-lug is not out of control.

>>18056998
Oh no I love that JLC keeps them so thin, as they should be, my problem is just the diameter. Thickness on these is great. This is exactly why I'm so torn on them because I'd really want them if I didn't feel they looked weird on my wrist. I had a similar issue with the Grand Seiko Omiwatari in terms of case diameter.

Hear me out, bros...

>>18057008
This is something that comes pretty naturally to the Reverso actually. Same goes with pieces of art drawn on the back.

How the fuck is this brand not legitimately a household name and a crowned member of the trinity? This watch has two dials, both sides have complications and the shit is still only 11mm thick, and somehow only the sweatiest watch nerds give a fuck.

Speaking of Hunter the Coultre. I love how the date hand skips the 6 o clock position to not cover up the complication.
>>18057012
Ehh, I think nowadays JLC is actually getting there. People are much more aware of them nowadays I think. Also, a large part of why AP and PP get the recognition they do nowadays is because of rappers, for better or worse. Don't see rappers talk about their super complicated compact Reversos.

>>18056915
Great read thanks.

>>18057012
JLC has historically been more of a movement maker than a watch maker. The watches they did make were for people who focused on the movements rather than the design of the whole watch.

They're more like an engineering firm. They supplied all the other great brands with movements, but since the 2010s' in-house-movement revolution, it's no longer a point of pride to have a JLC movement. (Just look at the reaction to the VC Fifty-Six.)

Richemont has the unenviable task of positioning them a a premium brand, but not as premium as VC/ALS/Piaget...but just slightly more premium than Cartier. That's a really narrow path to walk. But then, without Richemont's support, they'd probably just be another dead brand from the Golden Age.

I have a couple and I love them, but I can definitely see how their appeal is pretty limited.

For some reason I've recently really been wanting to get an Oysterquartz Rolex. Anyone have experience with them, things to look out for?

Should I get the PVD Chronosport homage?

>>18056949
>You still want that level of accuracy.
Yes, but you don't need Chronometer on the dial. I wasn't clear with my words, my bad. The VC standard is tighter than Chronometer, so the watch is way more accurate, and the certificate is truly worthless, that's what I meant by who cares about it, it's not a selling point at this price level.

my day window is misalgined on weekdays but not weekends
on the one hand this sucks ass on the other it is a message that I should stop working

Just got this. I fucking love it. Always wanted a Ropex 16030 but I'm not idiotic enough to spend £5000 on a watch. This will definitely do.

>>18057060
just "chronometer", no I agree, who fucking cares. "chronometre royal" or "royal chronometer" marked dials, on the other hand, that's pretty cool. those are rare watches. Probably less than 2,000 made in total over the past century across a handful of references.

Picrel, a VC 2215. People think the 222 was VC's first attempt at copying the Royal Oak, but the 2215 Royal Chronometer actually came before. They made about 300 of them.

Tritium watchchads WW@??

>>18057012
Look up the four faced version of this.

>>18057077
thickness?

>>18057090
Been thinking that getting a Ball.

>>18057134
*I should be getting

Educate yourselves a little, you ass-backward savages:

https://youtu.be/ygAR3E0xoJQ?si=PPzIAY0GWxZmFjGA

>>18057078
>Probably less than 2,000 made in total over the past century across a handful of references.

They made a lot of royal chronometer pocket watches before WW1.

But your estimate of 2000 wrist watches might actually be a little high.

The 2215 in your pic they made about 300 of.
In the 1990s they made a royal chronometer version of their sports watch, the Phidias, but only about 250. Someone ITT actually owns one.
The Historiques 1907 in >>18056949 was a limited edition of 100.
They also made a 34mm dress watch, the ref. 47022. I don't know how many were made, but it can't be too many considering how few there are out there for sale.

Then there's a handful of pre-1960s references kicking around.

>>18056752
The newest.

>>18056677
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=az5wAd6PgcI
Footage from a watchmaker.

>>18057132
About 9mm. Pretty slim compared woth the Super Seville and the Mido Commader.

>>18057139
based

>>18056946
Yes

More like Seiko 5 people handle all of our QC

Skagen is my guilty pleasure.

>>18057187
I have one for sale.

Is this most beautiful Oceanus watch ever made? Should I buy this used for 250 USD?

>>18056925
Been living here for close to 4 weeks.

Finishing my master's at uni this year and thinking about getting myself a dress watch. Budget ~$500, ideally 37-38mm diameter. Any recommendations?

>>18057305
ugly, but go for it anon, oceanus isnt popular enough to get fakes.

>>18057349
citizen nb1050 with a leather strap.

>>18057077
stunning watch, but i would buy a san martin or proxima homage, excellent quality with modern movements.

>>18057151
this watch ruined other watches for me because I use the polishing of the markers, hands and finishing overall as a benchmark, and everything I've compared it with so far is a disappointment. And that's not even mentioning the movement(s).

>>18057349
maybe some orient bambino?

>>18057346
You will never be accepted here.

>>18057364
Well comparing fully mass produced watches to one is not a logical comparison because no shit a watch that is entirely mass produced im the hundreds of thousands won't have those details. Compare to other semi machine made watches.

>>18056436
Thinking about getting one for that very reason. Not having to charge it every day, only when I go for a hike sounds great. If it does sleep tracking I'm in for sure.

>>18057394
Good. That isn't what I wanted in Germany and that's not what I want in Japan. I will do my own thing, and as always, it will work out.

should I buy one off ebay? if the seller is 99% reputation and appears to be a jewler store then it's legit, right?

>>18057492
The best watch in my collection.

>>18057502
too big

>>18057504
luckily i'm not a girl. it's only 38mm

>>18057506
well you look like a girl

>>18057507
that's a pic from the guy who gets his "escorts" to wear his watches

>>18057488
Not wanting to blend in and going out of your way to stick out and get attention is exactly why you will never fit in anywhere you go, why you will never be accepted here, and surely why your marriage failed.

>>18057508
lol ew

>>18057513
>why you will never be accepted here
Good, that isn't what I wanted in germany, and that's not what I want to do in Japan. I will do my own thing and it will work out, as always.

>>18057508
What the fuck, that's the most pathetic thing I've ever heard.

>>18057517
it's just that much funnier to me that it's not an expensive luxury watch either. "here, put on this $700 watch and let me take a photo of you."

>>18057522
$750*

>>18057515
Like your marriage worked out.

>>18057514
Tell him about it, he's the guy who moved to Japan coping over being a narcissistic shit head that doesn't belong anywhere.

>>18057522
How the fuck would it be any better if it was?

>>18057561
It's embarrassing either way, but at least if it was a rare and expensive piece like an ALS or something you could say "well, he's got a lot of money and he's living it up, fuck it." doing it with affordable watches makes it more like "wow, he has to pay to get pussy AND he's broke, AND he thinks this is somehow a flex......"

>>18057563
rent free

Just got a call to pick up one of these. Just in time for my 30th birthday. Pretty stoked

>>18057469
kek cope. so you are admitting it's unfair to compare a 6000 dollar watch to watches that cost the same or twice as much because...??

>>18057569
what's the difference between a master chronometer and a superlative one?

>>18057573
I think a master is an actual certification. Superlative is just some rolex thing they use to describe their watches where they verify its within +/- 2 sec a day after the movement has been cased

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>>18057563
This is a whole bunch of cope from your guys jealous about his "escort". It could be his gf for all we know. LOL. So much cope on full display.