/fa/ - Fashion

first for japan

>>18054244
I cant decide between precious metal AP vs VC vs Rolex.

Please suggest a watch for me
>budget: <300£
>type: modern-vintage
>movement: quartz (preferably)
>desired features: none really (like to keep it simple)
>prefered strap: leather (preferably brown)
>wrist size: 40-44

I'd like to have the background be white

I have been looking at pic related

>I own a Casio alarm clock, never thought anything special of it other than it's ugly and it just works
>Casio once made a G-Shock alarm clock, apparently it's quite rare
>It's the very same model that I own

I had no idea it was rare. google image of it related.

>>18054282
Possibly infinite options with that criteria. Eco Drive probably the right choice, Seiko has some nice looking simple radiowave+titanium+solar+sapphire but they look more modern.

Just avoid mineral glass if you actually want a daily watch

>>18054282
>>budget: <300£
My friend, apologies, I.stopped reading there. Also I am very deeply and truly sorry that you have to live in the UK. We got one life to live and you ended up there. I am so sorry, nobody deserves such fate. Careful not to say any NoNo word or you might end up in jail.

>>18054290
Cool

>>18054290
Nice (hideous)

>>18054282
do you think you would be willing to double your budget?

Somebody talk me out of this monstrosity, I just bought a Miyota-powered GMT but this is such a novelty from a micro-ish brand that I'm strongly considering it

Let's be honest, japanese watches are for dorks.

>>18054300
How do you fare, farer?

>>18054300
this is an ugly piece of shit undoubtedly, look for a simpler dial.

what replaced casio G9000 or do rally drivers no longer need casio?

>>18054244
Why is this Patek larping as a Breguet?

>>18054308
What's wrong with it?

>>18054308
All world timers are just as busy anon

>>18054339
Yes, that's why you don't buy a cheap world timer. Everything needs to be perfectly done.
Honestly the only two brands that do worldtimers right are Patek and Andersen Geneve.

>>18054344
I don't see why that's any better than the farer if I'm being honest.

Posting the best watch.

>>18054362
Of course. Poorfags often have to cope in various ways.

>>18054300
this looks extremely awesome shame it's a farter i would buy it immediately if it was a real brand

>>18054362
Check the price poor loser.

>>18054382
What would make it a real brand?

>>18054344
Anom what the fuck are you on about, PP has one of the ugliest world timers when it comes to well known luxury brands.

>>18054403
Let me guess, you like the Omega Aqua Terra World Time, right?

Any Garmin friends here? This thing is pretty ugly but it is bulletproof and low-key looking enough for a "smart watch." I really like it.

>>18054291
I'll look into men's watches from Seiko in that range. Thanks. But yeah like you said there is a lot to find

>>18054293
I do not even live in UK lmao. You cannot make me believe that it is such a bad place tho. But thanks for caring about me I guess

>>18054299
That looks damn nice. It is a bit expensive but at the same time I am looking at a long term watch. Is the quality high enough to reliably but this product used you think?

>>18054389
I mean everyone knows real brands?

>>18054365
Looking at The Citizen's now. What's kinda off putting is the fact that they're designed such that adjusting the accuracy, which appears to be necessary despite Citizen's accuracy claims, at least with the cal. A060 is not possible in the traditional sense that HAQ has used since the 70's with the trimmer. Instead it needs to be plugged into some proprietary computer like a modern, aka shitty, car.
GS stick by the traditional way and seem to be more truthful with their accuracy claims.
I don't like the looks of any chrrent GS quartz though.

>>18054413
I've got a buddy with a Garmin watch and he loves it.

I've been turned off to smart watches since my Motorola 360. It was fine, I just don't want something else I need to remember to put on the charger every night.

Went the opposite way and got into automatic watches after that.

But if I was looking to get back into a smart watch I'd be looking at one of these.

I literally can't find a single diver produced today that I like.

>>18054456
The best thing about automatic and mechanical watches is that you never have to fuck with a battery. Even if the watch sat on a box for years it will probably work when it's time to bring it out and get dressed for whatever you're doing.

>>18054460
Is there any specific reason you need a diver? Do you need a timing bezel, or is that one of those things it's hard to find one you like?

>>18054464
The latter. I like the aesthetic of divers and skin divers, I like to think about the golden age of diving watches with all the discoveries and technical innovations it led to. I like that feel of history. But what they make today is so disappointing. And there's not as much as people believe.

>>18054460
have you considered the problem is just you?

>>18054479
Perhaps we need to go back.

>>18054489
Yes, we do.

>>18054489
>Perhaps we need to go back.
*posts a picture of a modern Richemont shitter*

I love my cheap ass watch

>>18054498
It's cool as fuck, anon. You deserve more respect than most Rolex and Tudor fags.

>>18054504
ty very much
watch repair is way more fun that I thought it would be

>>18054497
For one thing, nobody else makes a watch like it. For another, the basic design of the watch hasn't changed for almost 100 years.

>>18054494
The numerals not being centered in the markers triggers the fuck out of me.

>>18054460
What are some of the aspects you don't like about modern divers?

I just got an Orient Kamasu and have really been liking it so far. Inb4 poor, I refuse to spend more than 400 on a watch.

>>18054446
Yes, that's the only weakness of it imo. Citizen likes their tech proprietary..

which one should i pick boys?
>casio edifice
>varcar incabloc (i think its broken)
>seiko 4004

Do they make women's g-shock? I am not sure if normal one will fit me.

>>18054564
Yes. They are called Baby-G.

>>18054540
You better be making at least $1200 a month to justify it.

>>18054504
lol why would poor ppl deserve respect?

>>18054603
Why does owning a cheap watch mean you are poor?

>>18054547
you should pick a new job and afford something that wasn't fished out of a garbage heap

>>18054610
its called environmentalism and circular economy

>>18054421
>Is the quality high enough to reliably but this product used you think?
Junghans quality is good. Construction is solid and the quartz movement it uses will be better than the average quartz mall watch you might get for a couple of hundred dollars.

A lot of snobs would tell you that paying $700 for a Junghans Quartz is not good value, but you need to understand that 99% of the people in this thread have never seen a vagina and the only one who has owns a Grand Seiko Spring Drive watch which is quartz.

>>18054389
if it didnt say farter on the dial

>>18054581
I want CasiOak with colors tho...

>>18054494
>le bezel is... le backwards??

>>18054507
nice of you to keep your mom's watch is working condition

>>18054617
Isn't that spring drive an automatic?

>>18054631
Why yes, lay bezel is lay backwards.

>>18054645
I thought it was mechanical

>>18054653
You mean manual, or handwound, and no I'm pretty sure it was an auto.

Have never seen a vagina:

>>18054645
>>18054652
>>18054653

>>18054653
It's nuclear powered, actually.

You don't understand I need 2 of every kind of watch at least.

i rotated this with a coin but it wont open
help

>>18054456
Sorry, was at the gym. I mostly like this one because I do a lot of solo hiking and am fairly athletic. I only have to recharge it about once a month and it has a SOS option that texts my emergency contacts with my GPS location if I'm dying somewhere and it tracks my heart rate, VO2 max, etc.

I feel like it's the perfect middleground between a sports watch and a smart watch. If I turn off all of the stupid sensors and am out in the sun enough every day it will run indefinitely off of solar, or around 55 days with no sunlight. Still lasts about 1-3 weeks between charges if you're regularly using all of the shit.

I'm in the military and I beat the fuck out of my watches and have also worn it freediving in shallow-ish water. Maybe I'm just coping to justify spending $500 on a watch that doesn't look as cool as Casios, but meh.

My only complaint otherwise is that the auto backlight is way too sensitive. My old Casio Protrek was perfect and ONLY activated when I turned my wrist.

>>18054663
>i rotated this with a coin but it wont open
uh oh. what type of coin did you use? you might still salvage this.

>>18054682
nickel coin

I've never even seen an Ocean and I own a dive watch.

>>18054688
hmmm i see. do you have an old sackajahweeyah coin laying around? maybe even an obama metro card?

>>18054663
Take a piece of duct tape and use it to pull the battery cap out.

>>18054695
I have been diving for years and own multiple dive watches but I have never worn any of them on a dive.

>>18054535
I think it's just the shadow

>>18054299
Fucking gorgeous these. Been thinking about getting pic.

>>18054715
thanks for the idea, but it didnt work either
i may just take it to the clockmaker and ask him to take a look

>>18054629
there are women casioak models, but afaik they're all a direct downgrade from the normal one

>>18054244
what is /wt/ opinion on oysterflex they look kinda based. Or should one just get a cheaper hublot with rubber strap

>>18054736
They look good. But are far too expensive for what they are

shipped today, can't wait

For me, it's Vacheron Constantin.

managed to clean most of the gunk off this one with a toothbrush, an alcohol-water solution, and some soap

this may be a keeper if i get it working

>>18054507
Nice watch!
I'm just looking at starting watch repair as a hobby, there is so much shit online to wade through. Any pointers to start with, any mistakes you made? I understand the tools I need, dhould I just pull the trigger on a broken automatic watch for 30 bucks on ebay and just jump in?
Appreciate it!

>>18054749
>all this money
>yet supporting the worst season
Autism chan...

why does this shit keep getting more expensive?

>>18054749
YWNBTAASDABAHM (You will never be treated as a sexually desirable adult by a handsome man)

>>18054488
Hey I just got a watch from Amazon today that looks just like that one.

been thinking about watches for the past several months, whittled the list down to just two. what should i get first: arctic tsar quartz or seiko sbej005 (jdm)?

marathon
+quartz
+tritium
+looks cool
+white dial
-costs more

seiko
+looks even better
+green dial
+costs less
-automatic

>>18054752
this guy is fantastic, he's like some sort of god: https://www.youtube.com/@watchrepairtutorials
this guy is less educational and more entertaining, but still wonderful: https://www.youtube.com/@VintageWatchServices

start with handwind mechanicals and master them first, save automatics for later

purchase something like this https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/234566613385 and number each compartment 1 to 24, then put in the watch parts as you disassemble the movement in order, makes tracking the order of things ultra easy, taking photographs

you only really need 1 good tweezer, look for a cheap used delmont no.2

get a set of bergeon screwdrivers, at least three, each in the 0.6mm, 1.2mm and 2.0mm tip size, dont cheap out here

get a chinese adjustable movement holder that looks like this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bergeon-movement-holder-No-4040/dp/B077JY4LMD

my cleaning method is low price but takes me a long time, i have a bottle of hexane and a bottle of 99% ipa and these work for all cleaning, i simply pour in a bit of hexane into a shallow but wide jar and let a part sit for 5 mins, then i take a fine sable brush and while holding the part under the hexane with a tweezer 'paint' the part with the brush and this cleans it very well (MUST BE SABLE)

hexane is highly toxic and will leave you feeling heavy chested within seconds so you MUST wear a 3m mask for this (its a good thing to own anyway as you'd also use it for removing radium dust from dials and hands)

I will then move the part to a 3 jar IPA wash (you can skip this if you want to keep things simple and cheap) where I put the part into a small mesh basket then spin it around for 2 mins inside each jar (idea being the last jar has the cleanest amount of ipa and will chemically purge the part perfectly) the mesh basket then gets blasted with hot air from a hairdryer for a moment until nice and dry (simply air drying may not dry out all ipa hidden in nooks and crannies)

>>18054507
I'm assuming that's the original bracelet but you should for sure replace it, maybe with a milanese, but yeah that's a dope vintage timepiece

>>18054607
Because why would you own cheap shit otherwise when there's a better version available?

>>18054781
part 2
IMPORTANT! IPA will melt shellac (a glue used to hold most pallet jewels and balance wheel jewels) so, you do not want to use IPA to clean where shellac is located, instead these parts (the balance wheel and the pallet fork) should simply be dipped in hexane, you will want to remove and clean the capstones independently and I would watch @watchrepairtutorial video on this subject

cap stones can be a bit of a bitch to remove and you will need a good loupe and, i personally use a sewing needle to open up the incabloc shock resist spring (it is extremely fragile

get pegwood and peg out jewels before the cleaning, i forgot to mention lol, (This involves pointing a pegwood, dipping it in hexane, and then putting it into the hole of every jewel, and twist. This removes any debris from the inside of the jewel hole.(You shouldn't be applying enough pressure to pop the jewel out of the bridge. It's a very light amount of pressure needed, it's more of a twisting action than a pressing action)

the barrel is a different beast and requires its own pre-cleaning process, but i find that you can get away with opening, cleaning and closing it all without the use of special tools. if you are re-using the mainspring, after it is clean, it needs 8200 that is dropped into a tissue paper, that is folded around mainspring and pulled along it (automatics need an extra lubricant called braking grease)
barrel arbour - needs 4 points of oiling HP1300 (interior top shoulder, interior bottom shoulder, exterior top shoulder, exterior bottom shoulder)

>>18054446
yeah that and the fucked up battery thing and the way they talk to their customers were deal killers for me, I am glad I went with grand seiko. the citizen is a badass watch that I'd buy if I was swimming in scrooge mcduck money but I work for my neetbux and I want something I can be confident in

>>18054790
part 3

you can purchase 3 types of oil, the 8200, hp1300 and 9010

1st wheel mainspring barrel = high torque low speed (hp1300)
2nd wheel = high torque low speed (hp1300)
3rd wheel = high torque low speed (hp1300)
4th wheel escape wheel = low torque high speed (9010)
5th wheel balance wheel = low torque high speed (9010)

you will wanna clean oil pots and oiler nibs in ipa after a session
keyless works should be greased with something like molykote dx

important stuff you need:
caseback opener
finger cots
polywatch (only works on acrylic crystals)
hand presses
hand remover (theyre like a pair of tiny crowbars) (use clear plastic to protect dial when removing hands)

other stuff you might wanna buy:
cheap deamgnetiser
air puffer
rodico (i barely use this honestly)
superglue + large bolt + monkey wrench (old trick to open casebacks that are stuck, you drop the caseback in acetone once you've gotten it off and the superglue melts away)

WHAT TO LOOK FOR IN OLD EBAY WATCHES
try and find some with photos of movement, this will help a lot
you can usually figure out a movement by seeing if there is any written information on the movement, if not, by googling the brand on the dial of the watch, and then going through pictures of movements this brand used until you spot a match, from there you can find things like service manuals or more modern service walkthroughs
avoid anything that looks like it has a misshapen hairspring (this is fixable, but it's bloody difficult) to start with just stick to sub 40$ auctions

>>18054752
also, a cigar box with a craft cutting board put in the bottom

the box keeps things that might fly off from your tweezers like click springs or tiny screws, these parts hit the walls of the box 80% of the time and you're saved a few hours crawling on your knees trying to find them

the cutting board is just a clean surface, gets an ipa wash between each project to sterilise

>>18054797
You are a champ, thanks!

>>18054797
Bloody hell mate what kind of a hovel are you in, this looks like fourth world lmfao.

>>18054806
sorry i was in your moms house

>>18054813
Disgusting

>>18054244
Just got this today

>>18054778
That green faceplate looks really nice. I think automatic would bother me though. And since it is a leather band you may not want to wear it everyday anyway . So it could be annoying to reset the time if it runs out of stored power before you wind it.

>>18054808
Destroyed

>>18054344
>annihilates your gay shit functionally, aesthetically, morally, and spiritually

>>18054845
Man, Lange watches are fucking GOD TIER.
I hate being poor.

>>18054664
Damn, may have sold me. The SOS GPS location is a pretty cool feature, didn't know about that. I do a lot of hiking and backpacking as well.

>>18054629
What do you mean you want Casioak in colours?
It comes in colours everywhere, it's like a rainbow. Have you seen it all in gold? Like a queen in days of old. It shoots its colours all around. Like a sunset going down.

>>18054748
Nice choice, it's a good watch. I got the stainless case because there's no bracelet for the black ones, but this is a tough watch for working in. Welcome, islanderbro.

>>18054829
Very nice

Has anyone here tried the garmin instinct hybrid watch? I feel like hybrid watches are a good middle ground between traditional wristwatches and technobugman wearables but I haven't been completely sold on any particular one yet.

>>18054300
I think it's a cool world timer. Go for it.

>>18054383
Are things really automatically better because they cost more?

>>18054951
No.

Kofe time.

>>18054300
>YouTubers trying to shill this shit
>not even a GMT
>$1700
>can buy a used Tudor Pro a true GMT for $2k
You're getting 'influenced'(shilled) by the influencers. Unless you need to quick access to all of the timezones at once you do not need this.

>>18054960
Please explain to me what is effay about a discount brand rolex? There's a 1000 unexceptional watches which look exactly like it.

>>18054960
Please explain to me what is effay about a discount brand rolex? There's a 1000 unexceptional watches which look exactly like it.

I dont like tudor. Why not just go for rolex if that's what you want. Tudor -the I couldnt afford a rolex brand.

>>18054960
>you can get a tudor
Yeah if you want the worst dial/marker/hand finishing on the market for that price, why not.

>>18054964
From my personal experience, a 6000$ Tudor is the superior watch to a 6000$ Rolex. Because you don't pay much for the brand, unlike with rolex. Both are verg overpriced for what they offer, though the master chronometer movements are stunningly accurate, I must admit.
I am autistic enough to spend many hours looking at the dial and case finishing using a macro lense. That's what I mean by "experience".

>His "luxury" automatic watch doesn't have an oscillating mass made of solid gold.

>>18054968
im sure its very high quality. i get thats what people want. im nkt really famcy e ough to wear arolex but my wife is. i mght buy her one. the womens rolex watches are a little more affordable. she will love it. she has the type of occupatio where she ckuld wear the watch to work everyday in a professional setting.

i could do a rolex too but id be looking more for a used vintsge one tbat I could slap onto a sailcloth strap. This way most people would not be able to tell I'm wearing rolex. im not so much of a metal bracelet type guy.

>>18054968

im sure the tudor is a very high quality. i get thats what people want. im not really fancy enough to wear a rolex but my wife is. i mght buy her one. the womens rolex watches are a little more affordable. she will love it. I've already picked out her watch. It will make a lovely anniversary gift.

she has the type of occupation where she could wear the watch everyday in a professional setting.

i could do a rolex too but id be looking more for a used vintage one that I could slap onto a sailcloth strap. This way most people would not be able to tell I'm wearing rolex. im not so much of a metal bracelet type guy. I'm very casual. I'd have to wear a nice shirt all the time to wear a metal bracelet watch.

>>18054976
ahem...

>>18054547
That Seiko looks kinda dope

>>18054615
It's actually called being dirt poor with extra steps.

P A T E K

>>18055007
It's beautiful.

I wonder why they just dotted the lume over top of the tachymeter. Its partucally blocking some numbers on the dial. It Seems like the lume was an afterthought. How could patek overlook such details

>>18055007
It's beautiful.

I wonder why they just dotted the lume over top of the tachymeter. Its partucally blocking some numbers on the dial. It Seems like the lume was an afterthought.
There's not lume on the hands so the watch can't be read in the dark anyway.
How could patek overlook such details.

>>18055018
My guess is it's probably a remade dial.

>>18054958
Based, same.

>>18055026
Holy based what a coincidence

>>18054736
The name fits, it really is just to flex. A gold sportswatch kinda defeats the purpose and that's why it's cool. Maybe the nicest modern rolex. Way too expensive for what it is and that's its purpose, a sign for other rich people to know you're most likely not a poor fuy looking for a handout.

>>18054968
then you aredont know what you are abuyigng.g Rolex ilwl be beter than rolex ud eo tmmovement, and bracelett reliavliibity, and stuninglgy accurate master crhonoetersm eon't betwat superalitve chonrogmerer of role. this coming cofrom an aAOmega guy.

>>18054958
DRUNKWR DURNK TIME!! whTAREA YOUR DERINGKIN!? WHO CUTHE FUCK NEEDS COFFFFYFFY?? ONLY GOOD FOR BOWESL.

>>18054845
>>18054855
agreeeed, but only fo r 1-watch colelction . if part of others, it's superlflufufeuous and unencesarsry.>>18054749
for me ist's omaeagagaga. prorotipe; I'm happier.
>>18054547
seiko?

>>18054460
then go vintage..ltos of tshosoose from.>>18054413
best divers out there.>>18054365
nah. mine is bets.tits..
>SEEEEEEEEEE WEBSM we have a winerarar.

>>18054282
citizen somethign lnice.

>>18055068
Based OD.
What's in the glass today?

>>18055071
heryes ccitisen chadd! HEavye bport, as it shoudl be. are you wel?? hOpe you're in good health and kickng ass! is citizen running acording to spec?

>>18055068
>OD is back

baaaaAAAAAaaAAAsedddd

Well yeah I DO take pictures of my watch inside a fully loaded train/wagon, how could you tell?

>>18055106
>>18055113
I appreciate the autism and dilligence. I'm imaginine a japanese guy traveling around New York constantly taking pictures of his Levi jeans leather label on the subway, at the hot dog cart, at the Great Mall of America

>>18054958
>shitty watch
>fat fuck
Checks out

>>18055106
hasyrsere japanachad!! ! HOWar e you? PLEase don't catch anthig awful in Japn man....wrap that shit up tdight, yo!!!

>>18055094
It's running around quarter of a second slow atm, very satisfied with the performance. The power reserve shows full without any active charging since the initial top up.
In other news I am joining the pocket watch gang this week.

>>18055122
NICAEEE WAHTA ARE YOU GDETINGG?? HAMILTION IS GODO WAY TO SATSRAT! sTRORY, DON'T KNOW WHYW WWCAPS is on? youcan get aseaweome complicatioans AT A CFRACTION OF THE COST WHAT ARE YOU geting? post pics post pics

>>18055116
I understood the very purpose of a watch in general. Be it luxury or just a simple nice one.
I can't tell you how many times my GS broke the ice and helped me meet new people. It really is one of the best conversation starters. Also, they let me try out any watch I want at the stores, no questions asked

>>18055124
I went for old and obscure, a winding key + cylinder escapement one. Pic is the escapement from the parts donor.

>>18055121
Thank you for your concern, OD-Sama.
I am careful.
How's everything on your end?

>>18055113
You'll be hard pressed to find a picture of a rolex dial zoomed up that close.

The reason for this? Rolex dials are actually a little bit boring close up.

>>18055137
I spend some time macro shooting a yacht master 2 and a normal datejust. If I speak I'm on big trouble considering how sensitive people get when you criticize rolex, so I keep it to myself.

>>18055141
in* big trouble.

>>18055141
I really like the yacht master one. I was just looking at one on ebay. This is a rolex I'd want to buy. It would become so stealth with a canvas/sail cloth strap.

>>18055000
what color is your bugatti

>>18055146
That one looks nice actually. I'd like to examine it one day. Love the colour combo and the red hand as a contrast.

>>18055146
>not only does the middle of the endlink go beyond the lugs, the two sides of it do too
Who thought this was a good idea?

>>18055151
Yea Its a little bit used but i think it's a beatuy. 40mm. It's sporty looking. The bezel is kinda rugged. Perfect. ;)
Maybe I'll pick one of these up oneday.

>>18055152
It's a double male endlink, very macho.

>>18055172
It's very ugly, so in that sense it goes with the yachtmaster.

>>18054775
How much did you pay

>>18055186
If you have to ask you can't afford it, poorfag.

>>18055152
Isn't this the crazy small version? It might be as simple as not wanting to tool up to make a whole different bracelet, maybe that bracelet and endlink is retrofitted from a larger platinum watch they already make?

>>18054778
Can't shower with it.

>>18054282
If you like the 70s homage design you can't go wrong with a Tissot PRX at that price point.

Got the 60s swiss watch working, now I just need to Polish the glass and it will be ready for daily use

>>18055243
Are you in the UK?

vintage citizen on wrist today, what are you wearing ?

>>18055121
How's the citizen holdin' up?

>>18055253
This week is quartz week for me so good ol' Casio it is.

Wearing the bastard son today

>>18054813
Lol

>seiko alpinist gmt the same price
>thicker
>probably runs worse
>not swiss

Fucking mogged. Impossible to find if it is a true gmt, but I doubt it.

>>18055146
Vomit

>>18054813
Damn, how's the bracelet ?

>>18055243
applied some polish and im not sure if it did anything to the scratches but the glass seems clearer now
Under the sun the scracthes can become very obvious but they are barely seen under the shade
now i just need to get some super fine grit sandpaper as per the clockmaker's recommendations
>>18055248
nope, im from mainland europe

I hate the Swatch Group.
Not as much as Richemont, but I still hate the Swatch Group.

>>18055253
Is there any modern citizen like this?

>>18055337
I hate them both but for different reasons.

Swatch Group watches all feel like toys to me whereas Richemont watches feel like they are all for boring, old men.

>>18054778
I'd take the marathon over the seiko, but the seiko SARB017 over both of them.

https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/a-4000-mistake.5554959/

lmfao, the fucking superior swiss technology

>>18055371
That's 4K?? Damn.....

>>18055349
I get the sense that both are for people who are insecure or confused about their sexuality in polar opposite ways.

>>18055349
Richemont is way more retarded than Swatch. Writing the name "Piaget" on this watch is proof they are unredeemable. I won't even mention what they done to JLC.

>>18055401
What were they supposed to write on the dial?

Please elaborate on what they've done to JLC.

>>18055401
Disagree. Swatch has no clue what to do with its brands.

Case in point: the Blancpain Fifty Fathoms. How difficult would it be to make a non-limited edition in the original's size?

Longines? Let's abandon everything that made the company great and try to sell watches whose brand name starts with an 'L' to Asians, who are functionally incapable of saying "Longines".

Omega? God, where to start?
>I know, let's make another fifty Speedmaster limited editions
>Remember those old pie-pan Connies? No one liked those, right?
>Hmm...that's a good design, but could you make it a little thicker? Also, ditch that microadjust on the bracelet. No one wants that.
>Guys, guys, guys! I just had a brilliant idea: Speedmaster...but plastic!!

Richemont, on the other hand, does not exercise enough control over their brands, so half the time they're making stupid decisions and end up directly competing with one another across price segments.

>>18055419
>What were they supposed to write on the dial?
Merde du chien.

>Please elaborate on what they've done to JLC.
Massive price increases without actually changing the watches at all.

>>18055419
>What were they supposed to write on the dial
Anything but "Piaget".
Piaget became popular for their small and superthin dress watches in precious metal, stone dials and unusual funky shapes. Pic related.
Why they decided to make a stainless steel sports watch is a mystery to me. It could have been an IWC, JLC, Baume & Mercier or whatever... It's utterly ugly and soulless. That watch isn't even popular by the way.

It's pretty much the same for JLC. Designs are so random and all over the place. There's no effort of coming up with a brand identity and a cohesive design language.
Also massive price increase, dinner plate sized shitters, and shit-tier brand ambassador.

tl;dr: Richemont is turning centuries old watch brands into fashion brands.

Is it fair to say that people who buy Hamilton watches are a bit odd? The type of people you would never fully trust

>>18055444
>Why they decided to make a stainless steel sports watch is a mystery to me.
It's a mystery why they decided to make the most popular type of watch in the market today? You're memeing right?

At slightly over 11mm thick it's still really thin for a chronograph. Seems pretty in line with the brand identity to me. The only thing missing from your qualifications is precious metal, which only wouldn't make sense on a sports watch. Also they do have a rose gold version if you really want it and it'll still be as thin as most other "dress watches."

>>18055290
Isn't the Alpinist water resistant to 200 meters?

What are some other watch companies that are independent or maybe rather "not owned by a separate conglomerate"? Obviously first that come to mind are the likes of Rolex and Seiko. But which other ones? Sinn? Oris?

>>18055470
Islander.

>>18055470
You may have named all of them.

>>18055444
>Also massive price increase, dinner plate sized shitters, and shit-tier brand ambassador.
The price increases were ridiculous, no argument there. It was known that JLCs were undervalued for a while, but they definitely swung too hard in the other direction and are now overpriced

Their sizes are in-line with the market. They're bigger than I'd like, but it's not 1967 anymore, either. 40mm is an OK size for a man with a 7" wrist to wear. To their credit, they do make the Reverso in a number of sizes.

I don't think any reasonable person really cares about brand ambassadors.

>It's pretty much the same for JLC. Designs are so random and all over the place. There's no effort of coming up with a brand identity and a cohesive design language.
This is actually way off the mark. For a company that produces as many references as they do, their collections are remarkably coherent and still tied to historical references.

The Reverso and the Polaris are their own things, of course, but you can easily tell how the Duometre, Master Control, and Master Ultra Thin cases are related. The Ultra Thins have dart indices all around on their dials, the MCs have 12-3-6-9s. They have the same style alpha hands, but the UTs' hands are thinner. They are consistent in their use of blue accents etc.

You can easily spot a JLC from across the room if you know anything about watches.

>>18055253
>>18055342
poor fag just buy a modern watch, your vintage sucks

>>18055131
Looks cool! I'm sure the sound of the escapement will be satisfyingly refined! Definitely drop pics when you get it; looking forward to seeing the dial too!

>>18055134
Everything is good, stable, and predictable; hence last night's momentary celebration. Haven't had clearance to do that for months. How is Japan treating you?

>>18055243
Nice! Will you, or have you already regulated it to within your personal tolerances?

>>18055253
Sharp! Right now wearing the grail (pic related), but as the day goes on I will be switching out to the 1861 later this eve.

>>18055268
I've been lucky; it's the same spec as it was when I first got it (i.e. nothing has changed). I set it either on my birthday or on New Years Eve, and only adjust the hour for DST (it has an independent-set hour hand for the first pull-out position of the crown). I really love that watch; the design is perfect.

What are you wearing today, Fren?

>>18055286
NICE! Don't often see these on the threads, or maybe I have just been away too long. Is it running okay? You have a very clean example.

>>18055337
I like the variety that I can get with all of these conglomerates. It's not that every design is a winner, but that at least we have something to choose from that is not limited to the heavy hitters all the time. There was a time when the only way to know what was out was to get a catalogue from the manufacturer, and even then there was no certainty that you could get the watch you want. Now we have so many manufacturers competing hard for your money, so there's a lot of 'playing it safe' with designs as well as 'taking a risk'. We live in a remarkable time for watches, because there really is something for everyone. Anyway, that's how I see it.

The other day I tried on the BlancpainXSwatch in person....it feels as light as the MoonSwatch. Fun stuff, but it cemented the fact that the fifty-fathoms general design looks awful on my wrist.

>>18055371
Boomer logic there lol.

>>18055501
>it has an independent-set hour hand for the first pull-out position of the crown
Always love those. Considering its main selling point, it's the perfect setting to have.

>>18055501
Man, you were wasted last night. How bad was the hangover?

>>18055319
For a moment I thought that was your foot

>>18055444
presumably they made a sports watch so they wouldn't sink even further into irrelevancy and inevitable bankruptcy. did you just wake up from a 40 year old coma or something?

>>18055510
Aw, beautiful Hour Vision; always loved these! Is it running well! Yes, the Japanese think of everything...when I bought it, it had been shipped after they set the time to my time-zone, so when I opened the box, it was already synced to the second. Mind-blown...

>>18055512
I don't get hangovers from what I drink now, as I have a 'system' to prevent it (i.e. lots of liquids after, sleep, etc.), so I'm doing well Fren. I do need lots of sleep though. It was a great eve! What are you wearing today, Fren?

>>18055519
>I don't get hangovers from what I drink now
Well that's a plus.
It was a little embarrassing to watch, actually. I can't remember ever being that sloppy. Of course, if I ever WAS that sloppy-drunk, I wouldn't remember. :^)

>What are you wearing today, Fren?
The Moser. Thinking about selling it.

>>18055524
That's a gorgeous watch. Are you thinking about trading it in for something? My next watch will probably be a Moser, either a small seconds Streamliner or some kind of perpetual though I will need to move a few watches to feel comfortable with the price.

>>18055524
Nice Moser! I've never seen one in person before, but everyone says the dials are beautiful. Why are you thinking of selling it? Just not wearing it much? It's a great dress watch...(and that's coming from someone who doesn't have a dress watch).

>embarrassing to watch
I'm sorry I embarrassed you, Anon. But don't worry; I'm not here as much as I used to be. Life gets busy, and one can't party all the time.

>>18055501
There you go fren. It's distinctively different from a lever escapement.

>>18055519
>Is it running well
It runs well. +-2/3s a day, I think (never did a proper check). It's mostly on the + side, although that could be because I've worn it quite frequently, kept it wound constantly. It's a solid watch. My first "expensive" one (boy, how I ate those words), so it has a special place in my heart, and on wrist. I've been working on getting that Citizen. Hopefully, it will happen. Fingers crossed.

>>18055532
That's gorgeous! Looks like enamel due to the reflection, and the coin edge looks max comfy. Is it running, or are you in the process of getting it running? (You'd shown the pic of the 'doner' escapement, so I'm curious).

>>18055537
Awesome; your Hour Vision also has the best bracelet from the post-co-axial generation so far, both in design and in comfort. I'm glad it's running well!

>working on getting that Citizen

Which one? Mine? Stiletto? Tha Citizen? If it's the 0100 originals, there are still a few out there (though the Mother-of-pearl dials are essentially all gone and the gold versions are far too expensive for a quartz watch, even in my book). It's a great watch, but I have no idea what will happen when I have to get it serviced. It's a bit of a gamble and a wild card, so we'll see.

>>18055539
Yes it's enamel, very pleased with the condition. The hands need some love though I think.
The movement doesn't come close to your Waltham, but I wanted it for the relative obscurity. It is running and keeping time so far but it doesn't hurt to have parts ready to go when needed, you never know what you get when you buy old stuff. I do plan on cleaning and servicing this at some point soon, as you can see it has some residue on it

>>18055559
Agreed; the condition of your dial is really wonderful (every numeral is sharp, the edges are all crisp and there is no damage). My Waltham has a crack on the dial (got it that way), but these things happen. Your pocket watch is far more interesting though; my Waltham was mass-produced, and though it's a slight oddity (24 hour 'Canadian' dial on a side-winder movement configuration), it will never be as rare or unique as that pocket watch you have there.

I hope the restoration goes well and smooth, and that it keeps good time!

I'm off Frens...be good to each other!

>>18055470
Outside of revival brands like Muhle Glashutte and special high end independent watch makers, nothing comes to mind. Citizen and Casio I guess.

>>18055548
Congrats anon, you have psyoped someone in these threads into buying the citizen watch they've seen 100+ times if they browse with any regularity.

>>18055480
Did the 70s and 80s really kill that many legacy brands? Oh I just remembered Patek and AP are both family owned and independent still. Too bad Czapek only lives on as a revival.

>>18055470
Breitling has been owned by bunch of financial institutes, not sure if that counts or not. They've never been part of a Richemont type of deal.

>>18055585
>shiny diving bezel

>>18055569
I didn't know this kind of a dial was called the Canadian, pretty interesting.
I can assure you my watch isn't unique or rare by any means, they were mass-produced in the late 19th and early 20th century, the swan song of the old Victorian tech before the current config (lever + keyless works) took over for nearly all watches.

>>18054460

>>18055612
Disgusting

>>18054460
Starting to agree, sold my semen aster and got a DJ instead. Submariner is boring as fuck

>>18055513

>>18055577
And they say 4chins isn't advertiser friendly

>>18055524
>Are you thinking about trading it in for something?
>>18055531
>Why are you thinking of selling it? Just not wearing it much?

Honestly, I'm just getting tired of watches. They don't interest me as much as they used to. None of my IRL friends are into them. The ones that aren't wearing smart watches or just use their phones are the type of guys who wanted to buy a "nice" watch, so they bought a Rolex DJ and never thought about watches again.

Even I just wear my GMT-Master II 90% of them time. I could easily turn that into 100% of the time and be able to simplify my life.

>>18055531
You embarrassed yourself.
This is the degeneracy of a man who knows he'll never have children and therefore has nothing to live for.

>>18055048
>cinage watchessef or sre.seeee fpic, my fave virnage.
>My beloved 321..still outperforming all of my wachifenses, including my lemania 5100 and my others. only ones it doesn't beatitt is my citizen shitizen 010000000000000 and my zenith chronometer whih shoudl be a chronometer because it's a r eal chronomeoters unlike other onese that have th emname. but are not. so
>wwhwhy ware arethere aso many watch threaedsds? DO I whave ti have to hae to respond to them all?ok

I have this old watch getting a bit beat up.The strap is wearing out. What should I replace it with?

another two-tone metal strap? Just a steel strap? Maybe leather of a blue/cream NATO? Dress it up or down?

Can someone post that brand positioning picture of a ton of watch brands?

What image does my watch project?

>>18055665
why did they call it a Rolega? Omex?

>>18055691
For lack of better words, a lack of better words

>>18055691
A fusion of Doctor Who, Robocop, and the Aztecs.

>>18055691
Chad if you're under 20, cringe if you're over.

>>18055700
>>18055701
Not sure if I understand, I overall like the look of it, but feel it is too large for my wrist and also maybe it will make me look poor.

Any recommendations for 5000 euro budget but preferably less. I want to look sophisticated and like a boss but most importantly like I have good taste and not trash. Thanks

>>18055706
I am 36 but I did buy the watch when I was like 32?

>>18055691
that you only care about status but not enough to not get a dogshit chinese quartz with a logo slapped on the dial.

>>18055711
>but feel it is too large for my wrist and also maybe it will make me look poor.
I don't think it makes you look poor, but I do kinda agree that it come off a bit too large, just like Robocop in his metallic armor.

>>18055727
I dont think its dogshit. Only few seconds off a month. But the thing isnt very well made. Some of those meter things dont align with the spoke things turning around

Suggest him a manly watch at 3k so he can be a happy man. A Tudor perhaps.

>>18055589
Does that bezel even turn?

>>18055751
Yes but please no clunky arrow pointers or thick clunky rotating clicking shit

This looks pretty pretty pretty good

>>18055748
it'll work cause it's a quartz but that quality control is indicitive of pretty much all fashion brand watches. Poor QC and you're just paying for the logo.

>>18055777
Yeah I know. I was not very fussy back then, more like a basic bitch. But I turned into a very fussy person now always researching shit ad nauseam before buying. I have gone through many many mental exercises now already on quartz vs mechanical. I think I want mechanical.

It's like every other brand I like besides seiko is too expensive

>>18055784
same desu I've spent hours looking at watches I'd like and comparing their specs and prices and oh I like this dial but not the hands etc etc.

Ordered a chinese mechanical watch last night cause I think it looks fuckin gorgeous.

>>18055770

I got the opaline dial variant -- well worth the price plus you can go out the house without being ambushed by niggers

>>18055790
https://www.tudorwatch.com/en/watches/tudor-royal/m28600-0005

This is pretty nice or is it too gaudi and make me look like a homo?

Bruh... is this forreal? IIII should it not be IV ???

>>18055795
me personally I don't like the day windows at the 12 o clock.
>>18055799
oh yeah what the fuck

>>18055799
It's how clocks worked traditionally. It is not a defect sir please.

I just want one more watch...

Bertucci perhaps...?

Also this brand is like "lol we are not even going to pretend to not cut off parts of the cookie cutter number plates, lets just cut holes halfway the number its not like the consoomerz will notice or care lol"

>>18055810
That will be $3000 plus tip

>>18055817
only

Ok in conclusion Tudor is not an option because they cannot even pay attention to not making holes in the numbers etc. What else do you propose?

>>18055799
Is this your first time here?

>>18055770
Even the tudor sales guys tell people not to bother with these shitters.

>>18055832
I mean it's all about what you're looking for.
>field
>dress
>divers
>chrono
Do you wanna wear a brand watch for the status/prestige? Just want something that looks good as a fashion accessory?

>>18055810
>>18055832
While I agree. It's nice to see someone who's not a watch nerd affirm my opinion. As for the numerals being cut off, that's actually a watch making tradition. One I hate.

>>18055799
There are 100 things wrong with this watch.
>too big
>only the biggest one has the day
>Date window is literally just a square hole in the dial
>all the cut off numerals
>bad lume
>still trying to milk this integrated bracelet shit
>ugly bullshit bezel
>terrible clasp
It's shocking people actually buy this bullshit.
>

>>18055846
Ok but does anyone actually think this looks good? 5000 euros for this clunky ugly thing? Supposedly their best watch

>>18055832
>>18055851
See an old ass Breguet.

>>18055854
That's an aquatic timekeeping tool. It's beautiful as a tool. I love the square shapes and simplicity.

>>18055854
I don't like the massive hour hand on tudors. .

>>18055854
Their best watches are definitely between either the BB58 or BB54. Honestly I think the BB54 is a better watch with better finishing as long as you can tolerate and/or appreciate the smaller size.

>>18055848
I wanna look like a boss

Well you know, within what is realistic for 5000 euros or less

>>18055860
That's current production watches, by the way. They have made a lot of amazing watches over the years if you're open to buying now discontinued used watches.

>>18055858
Yeah it looks like shit

>>18055857
Those clunky hour blocks dont even seem to be symmetrically centered within the smaller things on both sides

What a botched watch. Not worth even 50 bucks imho

>>18054989
>his balance isn't free sprung
Cough. Hate to be that guy, but the VC chronos of that time used Swatch group movements. Fucking SWATCH GROUP.

That's why I bought the JLC based model, at least it's modified and part of the same company so it's in house / exclusive.

>>18055866
so something swiss and luxurious? There's plenty of that for 5 grand. I'd love one of these one day when I'm not a poorfag.

https://www.oris.ch/en-US/product/watch/big-crown/big-crown-pointer-date/01-754-7741-4065-07-5-20-63

>>18055879
JLC base movement

>>18055860
What is better about it? Seems marketed as a womens watch?

Doesnt it look too tooly/sporty to project success and status?

>>18055879
Hmm. No Geneva Seal...did you get an entry-level model or something? I'd really think the finishing would have been better.

Why do they put this information on the front of the watch? Put this shit in the manual or on the back maybe. By the way 200 metres is noy 660ft, it is 656 ft. Fucking botch job

>>18055879
>Hate to be that guy, but the VC chronos of that time used Swatch group movements. Fucking SWATCH GROUP.
Except only Blancpain used among Swatch, while not Swatch yet, and also being used by VC and AP. It was common practice back then, and it's an amazing chronograph movement.

>>18055909
How hard is living with that much autism? Be honest.

The thing is not centered properly. Fail.

>>18055913
I would call it neuroticism, but to answer the intended question, it is very hard. Everywhere I look I see things that are botched. Fucking tradies need to be gassed and replaced with extreme precison robots. Kill them all.

Should I get the PVD Chronosport homage

What about this? I saw a lot of people bitching about the 54 not hving a "riveted" bracelet (no clue what they mean) but this one apparently does. Is this watch better or worse? Also is it accurate? Why does it have no chronometre but a sub300 buck armani watch does btw?

>>18055933
The riveted bracelet is that ugly shit you see on the side of the bracelet of your image.
Also that's just a cope watch

>>18055933
what about something cheaper just to tide you over till you can decide what you even want. the new seiko GMTs are nice.

https://www.seikowatches.com/uk-en/products/5sports/ssk023

>>18055933
>Why does it have no chronometre but a sub300 buck armani watch does btw?
Chronometer and chronograph are not the same thing.

Thinking about pulling the trigger. How much would you pay, anons?

>>18055940
Please no japanese watch it has small dick energy

>>18055951
riiiiiiight

>>18055909
That's why they use the 200≈660

>>18055940
Im just going to buy the tudor bb54 and pretend it cost 300 euros when my wife asks questions. Are you supposed to wear this as a daily or will it break fast if you do that?

>>18055964
>wife telling you how much money you can spend
I bet you pay all the bills too

>>18055964
>Are you supposed to wear this as a daily or will it break fast if you do that?
You can wear it every day for the rest of your life and it will be fine.
If you break it or it malfunctions, take it in for service. Easy as that.

>>18055969
She doesnt tell me what to do but she panics quickly about big numbers. I also dont tell her how much I earn exactly or have for that reason. (Not a millionaire but good money)

>>18055964
Buy a women's watch better. Something <36mm.
You don't deserve a MAN's watch.

>>18055909
>be 200 meters under water
>check watch to see if it can go any deeper
>you're wearing a watch without water resist info printed on it
>you left the manual up on the surface

>>18055978
Have you tried marrying someone you can trust?

>>18055985
But the I'd have to marry a male.
Women are untrustworthy.
I'm not gay, dude.

>>18055982
Is bb58 more masculine than bb54? This is the only doubting point. Apart from that I am going to trust on you nerds watch expertise. But really do you guys are qualified to recommend a watch for alpha chads like me? You probably live with your mom, wear geox shoes etc

>>18056002
>watch for alpha chads like me?
Stop trying to buy women's watches, then.

>>18055946
30 bucks maybe, how much is it worth?

>>18056002
>Is bb58 more masculine than bb54?
If you hold the two watches side by side, you'll notice that the 54 is not that much smaller than the 58, but is more comfortable and much better put together.

The 58 has a shittier crown tube and shittier clasp.

>>18055933
imagine buying that when a chines company makes it better for less

>>18056022
It's an auction, but in chrono24 they sell for a lot more. In the auction, I think it's going to sell for about $100~200.

So what did you guys buy on Aliexpress' sale?

How do I even relubricate the pic? Asked some watch services around and they all ask for like 80 Euro. I paid 30 for the watch lol. It looks cool and I'd like it to last long

>>18056032
im thinking of getting this, a seiko superior homage with a beautiful dial.

>>18056047
buy a new one lol

>>18054736
I love the oysterflex and it's my make it watch.

I have an 8 inch wrist and wear a black bay 54

>>18056094
post wristshot

>>18056107

>>18056115
fat loser

>>18056123

>>18056134
See >>18056123

>>18056134
oink oink oink here piggy LMFAO

>>18056115
It looks good it just makes you look big more than it makes the watch look small.

rangeman on my 6.8inch wrist

>>18056166
nvm just remeasured, wrist is exactly 7 inches

>>18056137
Do you have to wear them both so you can still tell the time on the cartier? lol

>>18056032
way less, 5% of the cost of that tutor

>>18056089
yeah ive been thinking about a grail watch lately and something about the oysterflex seems like a damn good all rounder daytona/YM rather than like a AP

>>18055501
OD-Sama, Japan is treating me nicely so far. My group of associates and friends is growing slowly and steadily. I will be at the daikoku parking area on the first of april with a couple of friends. Other than that, school is going okay.

>>18055537
Omega watches are pretty sometimes. Whenever I'm thinking of buying one, my autism won't let me look past the swatch-thing. I don't know why.
Is it true that they are very secretive about where each part is made in and assembled? Are there any videos/mini docus where they show you around on how they build their watches like the vid with teddy at Glasshütte Original?

I think its insane there are watches over 1000 euros that dont tell the date or the time in 24h format. This is now holding me back from buying tudor bb54. My 300buck armani watch does tell the date and 24 hour format time on a separate dial
I could deal with the 24hr thing but the date is pretty important

>>18056208
what do you even need these for? I would welcome more models without date

>>18056214
What kind of a retard are you?

>>18056208
>armani watch
Listen here, Ahmed- nah fuck it, ain't gonna bother.

>>18056192
Filthy fucking subhuman.

>>18056208
>this is the userbase of all those shitters
well fuck me, apparently the goddamn chinks know what retards want and that's how they're so successful with mouthbreathers
or is this excellent bait?

>>18055946
>>18055946
No alarm? Meh. I have no idea what these cost so i'd pay max 200 for this, it looks like an old Seiko 5.

>>18054489
I want a watch with a crown guard like this, what's the best budget option?

>>18055946
$50?

>>18054244
New thread:

>>18056348
>>18056348
>>18056348

MY $20 AMAZON WATCH LOOKS 10x BETTER THAN ANY OF THSE SHITS.

>>18056208
Congrats anon

>>18055630
(would have been really cute)