/fa/ - Fashion

Vintage watch people are just another flavor of the "old money" (poor) cope. If you just owned your poorness, nobody would judge, but you have to do this whole "temporarily embarrassed millionaire" thing and it's cringe

t. Grand Seiko chad (37mm)

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>>18049720
I appreciate the effort anon, unfortunately the average /fa/ and /wt/ poster is a little vicious tasteless cunt who will actively ruin this thread with modern shitters just to spite you off.

Anyway, here's a nice little Vacheron.

>>18049720
There's no reason to make a new thread when you old thread is on page 3, even if it hit the bump limit.

>>18049862
Literally no one said anything about money but you lol. I just like the look of vintage watches. Especially as a wristlet, because they tend to be smaller than modern watches.

>>18050373
You didn't have to, it was understood

>>18049955
I'm not a fan of oval cases, but I absolutely love those Roman numerals and the dark stick hands. JLC also used them for a few early Reverso references. So simple and classy.

>18049915
>18049917
Not vintage, attention whore.

Well..., why not?

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look at all these fugly old watches

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>Just a few

MORTADELLO RITARDELLO
MANGIATORE DI FAGIOLAAAAAA!!!

>rich 1% flexing on poors
See you next week

>>18050525
Those are old Mort pics. He doesn’t show off how fat his wrist is in the new ones. Considering how old those pics are, those watches probably don’t even fit him anymore.

Based thread

>tfw today's watches will never achieve this patina

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>>18050524
Non circular dials make my pipi hard

>>18050511
Wow it's the g shock before the g shock.
This is nice.

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>>18050701
Wait
This thing already 52 years???
Looks fucking mint

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It's all really fantastic stuff and fun to look up on ebay. Thanks for sharing.

>>18050525
Finally you spotted this fat retard

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>>18050712
kys bittertadello lmfao

>>18050530
Hey man. I come in here and post shitters. No one cares. Enjoy your watch.

>>18050662
I don't know. It looks moldy. It would still have a nice patina with the dial cleaned up a little.

>>18050681
>Non circular dials make my pipi hard
Vacheron has made some crazy shapes in the 1950s and 1960s. People often praise Cartier for their designs but I think Vacheron is up there too.

>>18050706
As far as I have noticed, Mort only buys vintage watches if they're in almost pristine condition.

Posted these on the watch thread. What do you guys think?
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>>18050701
That would be the Ebel.

>>18050701
That would be the Ebel

>>18050844
I have the bottom one. Bought it last week.

>>18050844
Their cool. Not my style, but cool.

>>18051120
Is this a reissue?

>>18051126
Sort of? It's from early 2000s.

>In the year 2000 the Frey family sold the company to an Italian investor. This was developing a new collection of watches, to continue the company's tradition of high quality manufacture products. The new manager Beppe Menaldo, who had been active in the watch area for 38 years (eg at Breguet and Blancpain) tried to maintain the authenticity of the watches and not to distort the spirit of the brand.

Good morning vintage bros

I have a bunch of gold vintage watches that were in my grandma's house when she passed. I'll post three. First up, 14k 1966 Bulova Accutron. Wish it didn't have the dial scratches but you don't notice it unless you hold it up very closely.

>>18051190
Second up, wife's 18k Omega. Not sure on the year desu but I'd guess late 50s-early 60s.

>>18051192
Third, late 1960s 14k Dugena. Great condition.

>>18051196
I have five or six more I want to say, but most of them are women's and I don't feel like getting them out right now.

>>18051196
This Dugena is my favorite. I'd easily wear it every day at work, urban life, etc.
Have you tried the ladies Omega on your wrist? Maybe it could pass as a unisex dress watch...?

>>18051201
Yeah I like the Dugena a lot and used it on a black leather strap for two years straight. It's pretty thin and comfy. Now I do the Bulova though because it was my Grandpa's daily driver and I am sentimental about it.

The Omega is TINY. Def not unisex at all lol. My wife has worn it a few times so it still is seeing some action. She lucked out really, she has 7 gold watches now. There's a Bailed & Mercier that could prob be unisex I'll dig it out later and take a pic

>>18051207
*Baume

>>18051207
Can't wait for the pics anon, love your inherited watch collection. Take care of it.

I want one so badyl :/

>>18049720
>buy 36mm mechanical Timex from ebay for $25
>it keeps almost perfect time
feels good man

>>18050738
???
I'm not bittardello nor Mort

>>18051850
Are they hard to track down in good condition?

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>>18051213
Forgot to post it. 18k Baume & Mercier with diamonds.

>>18052865
I wonder if the dial could be cleaned?

mine

>this is vintage
Goddamn I feel old. Why can't the current generation EXP2 use the red GMT hands instead of the ugly orange hands.

>>18052713
No i'm just poor lol

>>18052898
strong red > meh orange

Yes?

>>18052898
/fa/ seems to recommend going to Japan but I was there and everything is polished poorly. This one is one of the best examples I've ever seen, being on eBay is the only thing that makes me hesitant. TBQH Japan's vintage market as well as the Japanese's honesty is overhyped.

>>18053408
If you like it sure.

>>18053423
Yeah, they will massacre a case with their buffing wheels.

Everything ends up like a smooth pebble.

Hello /vwt/

What is the best and smallest vintage-looking diver on the market today?

>>18050373
Its a faggot larping as rich because he bought a watch and belives "fake it till you make it". Coming from a well of family where litrally every family in the extended family are millionares I can assure you he's full of it.

>>18053533
Probably one of the Seamasters, which can be had for $400 and Omega just brought back. There's basically no difference between a vintage Seamaster and a modern $13k one. The only thing you need to worry about it fake dials on an Omega pocket watch movement, mostly if a watch is from Pakistan or India the chances of you getting fucked on them is high.

>>18049720
hello watchanons, i am looking for a dress watch and was advised it might be a good to idea to look for used watches. there are a lot of omega seamasters and constellations for sale in my budget and with the aesthetic i am looking for from around the 60s. is there anything to look out for when buying one of them, do they still hold up well? new to all this so i am still trying to figure it all out.

>>18053623
52.400,00 € for that reissue? HYPERKEKS

>>18050511
But what time is it?

>>18051207
>so it still is seeing some action
And what about your wife?

>>18053533
These are cool and built to modern standards but holy shit the prices are whack >>18053623
Id look at the Longines Heritage lineup. Check out the Legend Diver for a genuine divers watch
>>18053623
Id avoid actual vintage unless you put in the time and research. You can find real gems, but again not without lots of time and research
There are lots of issues with frankensteins and mods that tank the market value of the watch. Most come from the india area, east europe, south america... Basically any shithole countries or areas.
Parts are slowly getting harder to find and they do need servicing every few years. They probably also arent going to be very water resistant even if rated for it. Its been 50+ years so who knows what seals were changed out properly or if they are just totally worn out. There are also issues with rust which some people will claim is patina.
Basically if you just like it for the look and dont care about anything else like value or function, go ahead. Otherwise stay away.

>>18053626
Shit i meant to respond to this >>18053626

>>18053762
Fuck... Time for bed. >>18053626

>>18053766
i appreciate the write up and advice. it's helped filter down a lot of them. i did notice that ones from south america and eastern europe looked suspiciously good for the age, so i will pass on those. ultimately it's just about the look for me, value depreciation is not a factor.

This vintage-inspired diver would be perfect if it only had a proper diving bezel.

>>18053780
No prob bro. Btw if its just about the looks, why do you write them off? Is it because you want close to genuine?
East europe and south america might be ok if thats the case. Those ones tend to use genuine parts, but they frankenstein it a bit, so for example a 60s seamaster may have hands or caseback from a geneve or a different era seamaster. Sometimes it might just be missing a locking ring (waterproofing seal thats visible only at certain angles). Sometimes they redial them (one of the biggest devaluers) which is repainting or touching up the dial. This takes practice to see but some are almost inconspicuous.
Now that i think about it, there are some from south korea (i forget the ebay name but they list many watches) which do a complete refresh. They are definitely redialed and frankensteined, but some of the best work ive seen and go for a fair price.
Last point is beware of vintage "gold" watches. Most will advertise as gold plated/filled which is okay (standard then was 5-10mic and 20-50mic respectively for swiss) but some fuckers will still call it real gold. Real solid gold will have a stamping somewhere with 9k/10k/14k/18k (lol some will fake these stampings too) and the whole watch and caseback should be gold so beware.
Rolled gold is somewhere in between. It's a thick layer (like 0.1-0.5mm) of real gold wrapped over the steel. These normally come on two tone watches so theyre a safer buy for "gold"

>>18054050
from the way you wrote i thought maybe south america or eastern europe might be scams. thanks for the tips on gold as well.

cinage watchessef or sre.seeee fpic, my fave virnage.

My beloved 321..still outperforming all of my wachifenses, including my lemania 5100 and my others. only ones it doesn't beatitt is my citizen shitizen 010000000000000 and my zenith chronometer whih shoudl be a chronometer because it's a r eal chronomeoters unlike other onese that have th emname. but are not. so

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>>18052949
th e prorportions are wonderfuld..why not save up t and get one in geart condition that ysou liseks? I think they're wondrereful.only dn't get beconec becasue I am asonde bying watches.

HOpe youa re aaare lll agdoing okay and in good heathtl. Fistrere drunk night in a long time................well desrved. I wishihi you all hapiness. and that you find tht ashwatches that you want. wear it wwitth life.

wwhwhy ware arethere aso many watch threaedsds? DO I whave ti have to hae to respond to them all?ok

>see pice. I like Lawyereeanon, and his diverse collection he coolects good examples of of real vinttage. dont be too hard on hiom.

>>18050513
for god fuckin sake give me that reference

>>18055843
It's called a Rado Green Gazelle.

Too bad Rado turned into a poo in the loo brand. It was neat back in the 60s.

Is there any dress watches from the 90s that are 36mm or larger? I'm looking for a nice birth year watch for myself and all the luxury one's I've seen are 33/34mm. I'm looking at Calatrava mostly.

got this tiny ladies watch from an antiquities shop

i thought that people would call me a fag or something (not that I care, my fits are very nouvelle vague inspired so it works) but it got me so many fucking compliments

also RIP lanco

>>18056232
fuck forgot the pic

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>>18055850
It's literally impossible to get a mint one like that now. Try eBay, but be prepared to surf thru waves and waves of shitty refurbished watches.

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>>18056233
You for real? Where I am from people would definitely point that out.

>>18056233
just curious why do you wear it on the underside of your wrist

>>18056425
I think it is because I'm mostly around intelectual type of people (im a phd researcher), so they-re not very old fashioned, but I'm sure any day a boomer will say something lol

or maybe it is something about the fit, since I wear this watch when my clothes compliment it (roomy draped dress pants, a nice button down, chelsea boots), I like to think that it stimulates people to be less rigid about jewelry if it fits the rest of their style

>>18056463
that was just for the photograph, but I think it is cool since I've watched Le Samourai, with Alain Delon, he wears a very small cartier-like watch like the picrel

>>18049720
Vintage soviet pieces will always have a special place in my heart.

>>18056803
And the second piece

>>18056102
Honestly, if you can afford a calatrava, consider any Lange. Most are 36ish by the 1990s

>>18056232
>>18056233
Based.

can anyone ID this Omega?
series? year?

>>18056979
Looks like a 1961 Seamaster small seconds that's been given an indifferent dial refinishing.

So what did you guys get on the Aliexpress sale?

>>18049720
Take me to the glossy dial gilt zone. Also the I can't afford zone.
1966 rolex 5512. 35k.

Thinking about buying a King seiko 45-7000 locally. Is $700 cad ($515 usd) in the right ballpark? it seems in decent shape. Pic not completely related, its 45-7001 from fratello

>>18058113
About right yeah.

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>>18058052
very cool.
>>18057079
pic related because ive wanted a snowflake sub, but>>18058052 they are too much money even if they arent 35k. It will be a good travel watch for $86 anyways.

>>18058129
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>>18058113
They have sapphire glass casebacks on etsy/ebay for these guys.
Just be careful with the glass. Theyre hard to source and are pretty specific. I saw someone retrofit a generic but itll change the way the light reflects, etc
I bought this and a Lord Marvel, but ended up going with the Lord Marvel since the King was in rough shape in person. Its shape is also a lot more like a tie fighter in person. Not as aesthetic as in pictures imo. The dial is more glittery than the lord marvel though. Better angles and more polished inserts

>>18050313
Lol quartz

>>18050419
Oh you also watched that kevin oreally video

>>18058182
ty

>>18056233
Fag.

Omega shitters are comfy.

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>>18050498
>Accutron AND tuning-fork Omega
based beyond words
I can't be arsed sourcing a proper Accutron glass with the markings for mine, too much hassle dealing with guys who refuse to open the paper sleeves to take measurments because "muh NOS condition"

>>18053423
The trick with the japanese markets is not to go there, it's to buy from them at a distance.
Everything is slapped with a massive consumption tax domestically but some sellers don't apply it if the buyer is abroad, hence the prices being stupidly low sometimes.
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>>18052867
From the photos, looks like it partially can. If there's residue on it then these can be removed. If it's directly on the zapon lacquer then that's a no unless you can find a dial painter to redo the whole thing for you (B&M service is weak and they don't deal with vintage very well since they don't have many old parts in stock and don't have the staff to do restoration).

>>18056803
Kinda sad, Soviets had it worse than Chinese communists, and you feel connected to it? 4chan sure is full of sad insane psychopaths

>>18050681
non circular acrilic "crystal" will make your pipi inverted when you'll need to find a replacement though

>>18052264
just a random dipshit then? kys either way, double nigger

>>18050844
>date on the fucking case
now that's neat

>>18055048
someone call 911, this faggot is having a stroke, and not the sexual kind

>>18049955
Is this one of those VCs that's not really a VC that I've been hearing about?

>>18059822
what happened here?

>>18062249
aren't most vintage vcs, or even anything that shows time, basically a glorified JLC?
most brands really don't deserve any clout from their vintage years of assembling watches from competent watchmakers parts into competent casemakers cases with nicely done outsourced dials with their pretentious logo slapped on
can hardly tell a semantic difference between vintage swiss and modern aliexpress brands tbqh

>>18062258
VC made their own movements. They actually made some really complicated shit historically. They just also outsourced movements and components, as everyone of the time did like you were saying.

>>18062258
Nowadays “in-house” is the fashion but that was never the case years ago.

Companies had things they did well and outsourced the stuff they couldn’t do to others.

Rolex, for example, made cases, but their movements were made by Aegler, their bracelets by Gay Freres, their hands and dials by other suppliers.

VC didn’t make their own ebauches but they would heavily modify them to make complicated movements. The blanks they would get from suppliers like JLC. Obviously they also did the finishing in-house.

>>18062249
>Is this one of those VCs that's not really a VC that I've been hearing about?
Nah, the one you're quoting is a real VC.
The Overseas and other bloated monstrosities released under Shitemont ownership on the other hand.....

>>18062331
So just avoid any VC made after 1997?

>>18062388
Correct. This is the vintage watch thread anyway.

>>18062255
Good question and I don't know. I've never seen a dial worn like this before; curious as to if anyone else here has any ideas. Still like the watch though.

>>18062436
seems that maybe half of the hour hand was rubbing on the dial constantly as it was running
badly seated dial? too short pinion? mismatched dial and movement? just a shitty job done on hand placement by a battery jockey?

>>18062388
Yes, but that's just me.
Some people would rape their own mother for an Overseas. You couldn't pay me enough to wear one.
I find pic related super cool and sexy.
Vintage is a different thing. It's all about enjoying delicate, smaller things and outmoded aesthetic. If you look at vintage watches, chances are you hate the modern world.

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>>18062436
My best bet would be, waterproofing failure and debris/humidity entering from the central hole, leading to the damage starting at the center.
It's not fully convincing but the other possibilities even less so.
>half of the hour hand was rubbing on the dial constantly as it was running
You'd see damage on the hour hand itself too (and with the way the hand lume has clearly fallen off, it's safe-ish to assume the hands are original) as it would need to be seriously bent to rub on the dial and not be blocked by the applied logo at 12. Also, the damage would be more even and you'd see a bit of a circular dug groove
> too short pinion? mismatched dial and movement?
See above
>badly seated dial?
nah, the damage would not be that close to the center and you'd see the hour hand look uneven and beaten from below, most likely
>just a shitty job done on hand placement by a battery jockey?
You'd need to be really terrible to get that result. And the mark of a true watchmaking hack is traces a bit further from the center : the hallmark of the hackjob's favourite tool.

>>18062474
>If you look at vintage watches, chances are you hate the modern world.
Nah, I just love the wacky obsolete techniques and movement architectures that got phased out in favor of more efficient ones that got boring once everyone adopted them.
pic absolutely related
>how do you make a watch run longer?
>why with a longer mainspring and a larger barrel!
>how large can you make your barrel?
>why as large as the entire baseplate!
absolute lunacy
I want one so bad
I am fighting the urge not to blow what I saved from my february paycheck on one

>>18062428
1997 is getting dangerously close to vintage bro.

>>18062628
I have a 90s watch that I don’t consider vintage. Neo-vintage at best. Vintage is before 1980.

>>18062687
I dunno, I'd consider some discontinued stuff to be vintage despite being later than that.
picrel, the entire 2100 collection was discontinued so it could be turned into the Léman collection.
Which was then discontinued to make way for the modern designs of the L Evolution collection.
Which was one of the biggest flops in watch history.
So now, the slim 2100s barely have any continuity. I don't really know why but that makes them feel more distant and "vintage" than they are since the collection was launched in the 90s and peaked in 1999-2000.

>>18062760
This watch has "neo-vintage" written all over it.
I agree with this anon >>18062687 : vintage = anything made before 1980. Aesthetics (and probably production process) were just different back then.

>>18062774
That's just :
1 - standard military-type dial
2 - Blancpain being hyperconservative in its design, always having been and having nearly gone bankrupt with the L Evolution series when they tried not to be.
Not their fault they have not updated their design language since the 50s and everyone aped on it. That's like saying blues musicians were lazy and just copied Led Zepplin's chord usage : you're accusing the source of copying the imitators. Can Blancpain be "neovintage" when they are the one that stayed consistant?
And 1995 was almost 30 years ago.
In car terms (at least locally here) that's 1 year away from being elligible for an oldtimer collector plate and legal status.
It's just weird to try and determine what is and isn't vintage, and what determines it. Our general idea of what "looks vintage" is still stuck with 50s to 70s aesthetics when really, as far as watches are concerned, on plenty of technical aspects things have not changed that much in 60 years. Eterna's pattern for automatic movements is just too handy and the alternatives too inconvenient all of them died out in the late 60s. Ratchet-cam transmissions were cumbersone and everyone gave up on them when they figured out how to affordably make invertor wheels instead.
also, a fun fact to think over : the Hebdomas in >>18062592 stayed in production until the early 90s. Would the later models not count as vintage despite still having pocket watch movements inside?
And is "retro" a useful category for stuff that might chronologically fall into or close to vintage but be structurally or aesthetically too modern?
I don't know, it's just fun to think over with all the possible examples and counter-exmples. ESPECIALLY with the 80s and 90s as the possible cutoff point since these were such chaotic decades in watchmaking.

>>18062774
>Aesthetics (and probably production process) were just different back then.
Agreed.
Those 80s style two tone sports watches like the Ebel Sportclassic, Cartier Santos, Vacheron Phidias, Chopard St.Moritz and others are old enough to be vintage but still feel of a period, not the nebulous “vintage”.

I’m sure in the 2000s, watches from the 70s weren’t considered vintage yet either.