/fa/ - Fashion

Tranny heel edition

>>17958465
you're right, nicks are tranny heels

>>17958465
post fit

how long until jk boots bribed weston for a review?

>>17958487
they already have just not for the yee haws

>>17958496
>wonder when this thing is gonna happen
>it's already happened, just not the thing you're talking about

daily reminder that nigs uses lasting machines

I know this isn't a boot but they're made by Thursday.
I just want to ask if anyone has experience with these bags?
How's the quality? Are the zippers good?

>>17958574
anon what the fuck do you think?

>>17958574
>thursday
don't

Any women's boots with arch support like the 55 last that are made for feminine women and not butch dyke wannabe firefighters?

>>17958487
Bet you they're shit

>>17958587
They're made in mexico too lol.

>>17958558
how does that matter?

>>17958603
>Nick's Handmade Boots
>continues replacing human labor with machines
>implying lasting isn't arguably the most important step in production as it related to the fit and feel of a pair of boots

>>17958606
>>implying lasting isn't arguably the most important step in production as it related to the fit and feel of a pair of boots
do you have any reference that the hand lasted Nick's boots would in any way feel different to the machine lasted ones? You wouldn't be able to tell by looking at it without the shoes being taken apart.
If there happens to be more pull on one section of the leather, the operator can just adjust the stroke for that section, a good machine lasted boot won't be much different from a good hand lasted one (neither is a guarantee).
Anyway, it looks like they only use toe lasting machine in that image, seems the side lasting is still done by hand, which is not uncommon.

>>17958574
>Are the zippers good?
unironically more of a concern than the sicarios choice leather

>>17958616
>Shuyler immediately on damage control

>>17958622
I'm honestly surprised that faggot is stepping foot here, I guess the retards who work for him told him how much hate nigs gets here now.

>>17958628
definitely seems he keeps a more watchful eye on reddit (and apparently 4chan as well) than he does his staff considering when I got my nigs the build QA/signoff sheet was missing initials from 3 different stations kek
thankfully they arrived p flawless so cant complain about quality but certainly the attention to detail is questionable if 3 different people at 3 different points of production can leave their initials off the QA card and that not raise any questions

>>17958622
>anon immediately on damage control
why do you not just answer my questions?

What's a pair of gothrock boots?

>>17958465
What's a tranny heel?

>>17958576
I think you are a cringe ass bitch.

>>17958757
Bazillion inch tall heel with huge shelf and width/ length. Reminiscence of women platform heel, commonly found on PNW boots that are worn by firefighter larpers that participate on /r/gyw and its sister thread /btg/

Are Nigs worth it? These look pretty sick. I'd get them in brown waxed flesh though (these are brown cxl)

>>17958823
Second.

TRUBALANCE FAGS:
What other boots have you encountered that give you the same comfort and freedom in the toebox as the Alden Trubalance as found on the Indy?
I specify the Indy as I have multiples of TB lasted boots in both Indy and other forms and the other forms are not as comfortable as the indy iteration.

Doc Martens 1461 quality lookalike?

>>17958916
Fits i find as good or better are C&J 378 and EG 72

>>17958877
buy Franks instead

Anyone here ever try red wing 877 boots? I like the pattern more than other moc toes. But I’m not sure how comfortable they’d be on hard surfaces with the leather insole and apparently they’re somewhat narrow?

>>17958981
>But I’m not sure how comfortable they’d be on hard surfaces with the leather insole
learher insoles arent hard and youll be on the wedge

>>17958981
get the whites perry selects instead

waxed flesh under the macro lens at 1:1

>>17958948
I bought a pair of C&J Skye's once on the 335 last, which seems to be an older iteration of the 378 with a different heel cup fit. Nope. Can't do it. Pinches my toes. Great.
>EG72
I'll give them a try on next time I'm near someone that stocks EG, but that could be a while.
Thanks for the suggestions.

Best luck I've had personally is Cheaney's 142 last. Inelegant stompers with a slightly sprung toe. But they don't pinch my toes on my one problem foot.

>>17959140
C&J 365 is wide too, i don't find it hugs your heel as nice as trubalance or 378 does.

>>17958981
the comfort under foot on hard surfaces is really great due to the wedge sole (the exact oppsoite of the iron ranger)
but the actual fit of the boot and red wing lasts in general is not that great, they are comparatively narrow in the ball and quite wide in the heel, so it's this weird compromise you have to make whether you want to size down and have a narrow boot that's secure or stay true-to-size, don't constrict yourself too much, but have heel slip
if you have no reference for anyhting they will feel ok, especially if you break them in, but it will never truly feel quite right, which is kind of expected for that money and honestly shouldn't scare you off too much if you're thinking about getting them as an entry level coming from mall shit
of course fit is individual and YMMW, but this is generally true for most people and i own iron rangers and have tried on their moc toes before

1st day back at the office and got to wear some new grant stones. Feels fancy bros. Leather heel stacks are sex

Any recs for boots that feel like sneakers? Budget < 400€, they don't need to be resolable

>>17959020
Red Wing's leather insole is uncomfortably hard most of the time.

>>17959210
Palladium, Converse high top.

What British boot brands would you guys recommend?
Would prefer to go into the shop in London to try them on. Need one that accommodate larger sizes, I'm 14 uk/15 us.
Budget up to £600.

>>17959228
i don't know anyone doing UK14 rtw. Tricker's 4444 last at UK13 is the biggest i know of, that would be around UK13.5.

>>17959220
Thanks, some leather Palladiums look nice but I find the soles very chunky.

>>17959207
Aren't these Chinaman made?

>>17959353
yes but the chinamen don't make them different heights then burn them like whites

>>17958462
>Manufacturer Red Flags
>Luxury
Why? Don't know anything about boots. I saw these Pradas and thought they were cool but maybe I should buy something else. Any recommended brands?

>>17959362
depends what you want
if you want a quality tough boot that lasts look for something from a reputable maker who's construction methods are known so you know what you're getting.
if you just want some fashion accessory with no care about performance, build quality, materials or durability then buy whatever you think looks good
just don't buy thursdays

>>17959362
luxury is a buzzword designed to capture poors

Carmina sale is live if you want maybe a dressier boot

Crockett & Jones sale is also live.

Not very interesting models on sale though.

Skoak's January Bonafe GMTOs are live too.

These will be delivered in like April-May so no boots.
Unlike last month these are all pretty cool.

>>17959406
Seven (7) eyelets
Double brogueing

I hate brogues but at least this goes all in

>>17959406
This is the one I'm thinking about.

Loafer in tarnsjo leather from a local Swedish tannery. I like it a lot.

>>17959406
This one is cool too, it's made from Ilcea brown museum calf but with a 'Russian' print, supposedly it's a new design from the tannery.

I'm not a huge fan of derbies but it looks cool.

>>17959398
C&J website tells me I should buy UK11 even though I'm normally UK10.5 on other brands

Are they like Edward Green and Gaziano Girling where you're supposed to go up 0.5 size?

>>17959362
Half of OP is baseless shit put there by a shill to steer anyone new into spending $700 dollars on PNW boots. It's all just autism for people who want to split hairs and pretend their going to own anything for the rest of their life through multiple resoles and rebuilds (they won't, they'll just buy more boots like everyone else). This general is shit and rarely talks about anything useful, mainly just devolving into flame wars centered around PNW brands. Gay as aids and half these kids are fat.

>>17959360
But m.. muh workboot

But actually though it's really stupid china has better QC than the PNW boots

>>17959362
anyone who uses the word "luxury" in their marketing is not truly "luxury".

I don't get it.

270€ for this?
and it's an MTO?
with mystery mutt leather made from the finest Indians?

>>17959197
I own 875s and IRs and for me going half a size down from the supposed size on Red Wings worked perfectly. I don't have much room in front of the toes but still enough so they don't touch the boot and the fit is snug with no heel slippage once the boots are broken in.

why do ppl consistently perpetuate the idea that leather boots will break in to the point of significantly altering the initial fit? If your boots don't fit when you get them/try them on they are not the right size.
also why tf does reddit love cxl so much? fuck cxl

>>17959520
It depends. If you can't fit into them they're obviously the wrong size, but they'll shape to your foot around the sides, the heel counter will break in, and the sole will develop a flex point that matches your gait which will alter how your foot will move/rest as you walk.

>>17959533
obviously the uppers mold to your shape, the heel counter softens, etc. i'm talking about people who endure brutal "break in" with cramped toes, tons of instep pressure, the ball of their foot squeezed
under the impression that the size of the boot will change and the boots will magically fit perfectly
the leather will mold to some degree but boots are made from leather because it's tough and resilient and keeps its shape, so if it doesn't fit well to begin with it's not gonna stretch to your correct size despite the cope you may hear from others who swear their boots fit perfect because they've never worn the correct size

I've never had a suede shoe that had a bad fit.

Anyway I have come to the realization that the fit is all about the back half. If it's nice and narrow the front could be swimming and it will be comfy.
If you have a giant heel and waist then your foot will slide forward and will always be cramped no matter what. Also heel slip.

People buy shoes that are too small because of this, they think shoes need to be tight in order to be secure.

>>17959520
>why do ppl consistently perpetuate the idea that leather boots will break in to the point of significantly altering the initial fit? If your boots don't fit when you get them/try them on they are not the right size.
Leather molds to your foot over time. It's not significant but can mean the difference between uncomfortably stiff and comfortable. Also a good leather footbed will become more supportive over time as it takes on the shape of your feet. Imo the idea got distorted and perpetuated over time by idiots who over hyped break in and led others to mistake buying the wrong size for the normal stiffness of new boots. Kind of like how the trend in raw denim was to size everything down to the slimmest possible fit because "it'll stretch bro"
>also why tf does reddit love cxl so much? fuck cxl
Why do they soak everything with Obenauf's or sno-seal when the hardest wear their boots see is the walk from the coffee shop to the office?

>>17959598
>redditorwashesandconditionsironrangersevery6monthsandwonderswhytheyrecrackingafterafewyears.jpg

>>17959495
probably the cheapest option they offered and he wanted to scrape the bottom of the barrel

>>17959624
It baffles me how they fuck up something so simple as boot care
>brush after each wear
>store with shoe or boot trees
>condition once or twice a year depending on weather
ez

>>17958462
https://www.ebay.com/itm/285625849950
picked up these ebay grant stones in crimson chromexcel

They looks alright from the pictures, just not sure how much I believe they were """worn once"""

>>17959624
Not Iron Rangers, they don't have a toe cap and the toe looks unstructured. No idea which model, I beleive merchants and blacksmiths have structured toes.

>>17959722
blacksmiths

>>17959677
honestly I don't even know if the guy tried these one

>>17959677
>just not sure how much I believe they were """worn once"""
I could beleive it after checking the creases (or mostly lack of thereof) and the condition of the soles.

>>17959677
>>17959730
>>17959731

The soles look good but I do see creases on the vamp just not deep ones. Either way I got a good deal. Paid $180. Might just use them as shit kickers for the meme, will 2mm thick chromexcel hold up to abuse?

>>17959409
this is dumb. The point of 6, 7 eyelets is to allow for more instep adjustment along the top of your foot. 6 eyelets (and above) oxford is supposed to have a longer facing like AE or Florsheim. Having 7 eyelets yet crowded them in like that defeats the original purpose.

>>17959742
Very superficial creases, consisten with "worn once", probably around the house. I got similar creases on the first day of wearing boots.
Anyway, even if he worn them more than once, those look very lightly used, I wouldn't worry.

>>17959410
definitely think this is the best out of the 3 of them.

R8 and H8
also post boots

>>17959862
Are you the Perrysfag?
>every toe is scruffed

>>17959888
>Are you the Perrysfag?
that's me, best boot for the price bar none - sneaker tier comfort
hopefully the new nigs will be as /comfy/ or more once broken in, that honey vibram is nice and soft and they've got the arch support that the perrys dont
the perrys toes actually got scuffed crawling around in tunnels doing some training drills down in Disaster City. like scuffed up p gnarly but they brushed out really well, the tobacco stampede is is fucking love
jk 300 toes got scuffed doing work at a railyard, solid ass boots but for the same price as the perrys they're definitely playing second fiddle there
iron rangers are scuffed just from hiking and general wear. i actually save those from having been OBENAUFED to the point they were basically black. dawn dish soap then saddle soap, dry and condition and they're back
not sure how tf the vans got scuffed i've worn them twice, they run p narrow but are super warn and grippy. i've wet waded in those while fly fishing and have never felt more sure footed on a riverbed
\blog

>>17959888
>>every toe is scruffed
Blowjobs.

>>17959862
Like the nigs and yeehaws. Meh on the rest, but it's a well rounded collection

Clockwise from back right
>RW engies in black klondike
>McNamara boots circa 1960 in govt-issue mystery meat
>Guidi 991 in reverse horse
>Tecovas doc in brown goat
>John Varvatos side zips in waxed calf suede
>White's semi dress in brown dress
>Truman boots in "wooly bully". Newest pair and worn once so far
>Varvatos 606 boots in scored calfskin

>>17959948
>back left
my dumb ass

>>17959950
>RW engies
interesting, post more pics of them

>>17959950
>those long bois front left
is that lens distortion or were those lasted on a crocodile snout?

>>17959034
Seconding this. I own normal black Perry's and they have held up very well. They are also very fucking comfortable compared to my 10 year old Meme Rangers. I'm a White's customer for life.

>>17959955
It's criminal these were discontinued. And yeah, that's a stretcher in the right boot. I'm pushing for a tiny bit more room in the instep

>>17959961
Lens distortion

>>17959969
yeah they seemed like a really good entry point into engies

>>17959970
what are these

>>17959362
Prada boots mog absolutely anything that the autistic reddit niggers in this threads fangirl over
They are "red flag" because they aren't ugly hipster larp boots that meet some autistic build specifications
Reality is everyone will admire a pair of prada boots whereas no one outside of a specific reddit board (and this thread) give a single fuck about some ugly hipster larp boots

>Reality is everyone will admire a pair of prada boots

>>17959979
in reality everyone will think they're fakes because you're a broke ass bitch

daily reminder that boots without a leather heel counter aren't real boots.

>>17959862
did you replace the soles on the bottom 2nd? it looks really clean my shit is turning offwhite orangeish

>>17959990
original sole, probably just the flash/lighting they're not super clean
somehow the inside of the boot toward the heel has tinted a bit blue even. maybe from denim but not sure how considering the heel counter isnt stained nearly as much and my jeans obviously dont hang down to the soles
just doesn't show up well in the photo

I don't know anything about motorcycles, will I get violently raped by someone who does if I wear these?

>>17960020
bikers dont wear that shit. that looks like a hot topic goth boot. why exactly do you want to wear these

>>17959970
>mom found the cum boot

>>17960035
As fighting words

>>17960038
There are less cringe ways to antagonize bikers in public. Simply cut them off on the highway. It's really that easy.

>>17960038
just wear a vest with fake MC patches on it

>>17959979
Literally no one notices a single luxury brand item, unless you are decked out from head to toe, and exit through a sport car.
Then again, kids will probably think you are a youtuber or tiktoker.

>>17959427
depends on the last, generally its TTS. https://eu.crockettandjones.com/pages/last-guide
>>17959410
still waiting for my tarnsjo boots
>>17959495
looks horrid, why do retards always try and find the best deal for "quality" just buy actual reputable shit.
>>17959520
you're not wrong, if something doesn't fit right when you try them first on, you should send it back. That said, if you got enough experience to know how break in will affect the boot or the leather, you're probably able to make the right decision. Most don't.

>>17959979
I don't browse /fa/ usually and I think they look like absolute dogshit, they look like something I'd be able to buy at my local bazaar for 20 bucks, AKA something someone's 50 year old tradecuck dad would buy for walks.

Where can I find mens' boots that look like this in the modern day and age? These ones are from the '30s or so and they're several sizes too small.

>>17960102
Women notice

>>17960139
Why would you even want boots that look like that?

anyone see the new 3sixteen shoes?

>>17960139
Have them made for you, you custom order them from Frank's.
Just get it in the HNW last.

Is there an alternative to these?? Something classic and super simple. I am considering blowing $300 on these.
If you post anything with a side zipper I will call you gay.

>>17960148
meermin or grant stone

>>17960153
Thanks, both good options but also about $300 for something similar.

>>17960158
Meermin is below $300
https://www.grantstoneshoes.com/collections/men/products/edward-boot-black-waxed-commander

>>17960148
>allsaints
GOOD MORNING SIRS

>>17960139
Lobb St. James bespoke however you want them. Probably cost $9k or more.
They've been making pic related since before ww2, but they can make op style easy.

>>17960141
No. They notice whether or not you're a chad, whether you're bald, whether or not your face is hot.
You could be wearing shit on straps and it wouldn't matter if the previous things don't register ie. you're ugly or plain, because everything after that doesn't matter. Also women are easily fooled. If chad wears fucking thursdays or something they'll assume it's costly/high quality rather than the dog turd it is. A women that can immediately recognize some prada whogivesafucks is the same kind that can recognize mens watches down to the model. This is a red flag if that wasn't obvious.

>>17959950
I think I recognize some of those boots. Do you post regularly on the WAYWT thread?

I'd post my boots but don't want to get mogged this early in the year.

Are Iron Rangers any good? Or are they reddit trash?

>>17960245
>ugly as fuck clown toe last
>no midsole
>probably the most popular "high quality" boot
other than that, they are well built boots at a fair price. I'd rather get something like Grant Stone at a similar price.

>>17960249
Thanks. I also like TLB Mallorca's Gordons

>>17960253
While the clown toe on the Iron Rangers is pretty bad, this swings too far into pointy territory.

>>17960253
thats a good option too

Well seeing as nobody replied to me >>17957189 in the previous thread, I'll go to the shop and check them out in person...
Things to look out for?

>>17960245
I own a pair and they're probably the boots I wear most often. I'm very happy with them and the "clown toe" is a bit overblown, they don't look that clownish irl.
However I would contend that "real" boots should have a leather midsole which IRs don't. Bit they're a good option for non-boot people who want a pair and done without spending too much.

What does /btg/ say? I was thinking Parkhurst Allen's or I think Moose, I forget, but I can't across these Thursday Captains. Are Thursdays good?
https://thursdayboots.com/products/mens-captain-terracotta

>>17960276
go ahead and tell us how it went

>>17960278
I don‘t even understand what im looking at? Did the entire upper split down the middle?

the mystery meat leather teared, it seems to have happened a couple of times now.

>>17960283
kek idk how i uploaded that webm instead

>>17960283
real?

>>17960284
>>17960278
Shit, man. Price seemed good and they look good, too. I heard they even had arch support.

>>17960283
>teared
tore

>>17960292
too obvious

>>17960276
No. I got these in tobacco. I regret buying them. The insoles in them will be complete floppy shit after a few months. Get some grant stones or something better.

>>17960336
Did you shampoo and condition them every 4-6 months?

>>17960336
their leathers always look so fucking dog shit in pictures. Must be from the renowned mexican tannery le fart.

>>17960342
No they're 3-4 months old. I haven't even worn them that much.

>>17960142
Low IQ question.

New boots came in. Need em or sneed em?

>>17960245
If you have a wide foot, they are fantastic. That's literally the best reason ever to get one: wide feet fit in them better than any boot you'll ever wear.
Even I admit they're ugly. They do not look suave or masculine, their super rounded toe looks like a very big thumb.

>>17960399
How’s it compare to the whites swing last? My 5th toe touches the sides of my boots when I stretch them out on the 50 last.

>be Euro
>go to local bespoke shoemaker who has his boots made in Spain
>all the boots have pointy toes, as expected
>decide to look for a pair of chelseas
>tell him in advance I have wide feet
>he measures them and assures me they're of perfectly average width
>ok.png
>try on a pair in my size
>plenty of toeroom in the front but they're obviously too narrow, as he himself notes
>he tells me it's because the sizing is too small
>the solution: bigger size, meaning even longer pointy toe

wtf is wrong with European bootmakers

>>17960272
They look fine for the price. Just make sure the uppers are full grain leather and not bonded mystery meat
>>17960245
Hideous toe cap. Like offensively hideous. Get blacksmiths which are the same boot minus the clown toe
>>17960236
Yeah, every so often. I've got pics with the engies and the mcnamaras in the current thread

>>17960409
They seek a return to poulaines

>>17960412
Worst advice in this thread. If you get the blacksmith iron rangers they will look like clown shoes after they break in. The toe box helps keep the shape of the shoe.

Unless you wear a size 6 or smaller don’t get blacksmiths

>>17960409
>local bespoke shoemaker
>had his boots made in Spain

Nice made up story retard troon.

>>17960412
>Hideous toe cap.
We'll have to agree to disagree. IRs don't nearly look as clownish nor outrageous irl. If any, I'd say they look quite understated.

>>17960412
>I've got pics with the engies and the mcnamaras in the current thread
Knew it. I love your style, in a way it's similar to mine and I get tons of inspo from your posts. Just letting u know ur hot. No homo.

>>17960457
I could've said "shoe store", but all the shoes are made by his designs and have his branding.

>>17960481
>Contract a factory to manufacturer shoes for you
>Congratulation, now you are a bespoke shoemaker
Slavic intelligence, everyone.

>>17960491
You have autism

>>17960481
You made up some bespoke shoemaker out of nowhere until someone called you out?

>>17960500
>someone called you out
Whoa... someone did THAT??

>>17960494
you are a lying retard.

>>17960409
>>17960481
Thursday is a local bespoke bootmaker because they are made by their design and have their branding.
More news soon at retardchan5, hosted by your local Polish retard,

>>17960507
kek did my story offend you personally or something?
What the fuck is going on

>>17960457
>>17960491
>>17960500
>>17960507
>>17960513
Five posts getting angry about semantics.
Five.

>>17960514
I have an aversion to retardation. You should be removed from the gene pool.

>>17960517
This store also takes your measurements and has shoes made to these measurements in Spain.

So what would have been the nomenclature that didn't make you wish for my death?
Bespoke shoestore?
Outsourcer of off-the-rack and bespoke shoes?

>>17960520
it's a boot brand
they don't make them so they're not a bootmaker or manufacturer, they're do made-to-order but that's not bespoke

>>17960520
>Go to Edward Green on Jermyn St
>They take your measurement and make shoes based off of their various widths
>I now own "bespoke shoes"
Are you one of those idiots that bought MTO then believe that you had bespoke?
The PNW stores make boots to measurements, do they call themselves bespoke?

>>17960516
Kek what a seething autist

>>17960527
This reminds me of various fags throughout the years buying MTM suit from department store, then went online to rant about how "bespoke" is disappointing.

>>17960525
>it's a boot brand
They also make loafers, boat shoes, dress shoes, slippers, ...

>>17960527
>>17960527
>made to order is not bespoke
How is it not?
He specifically claims you can pick your leather etc.

>>17960530
I'm seething at how your brain is not splattered against the national highway's road yet.

>>17960535
It wasn’t my story. I just think it’s hilarious how autistic people are here.

>>17960533
>made to order is not bespoke
How is it not?
He specifically claims you can pick your leather etc.

This is the hill this retard chose to die on.
Everyone can see for themselves.

>>17960537
Where do you think you are?

>>17960533
>They also make loafers, boat shoes, dress shoes, slippers, ...
kek footware brand then

>>17960541
Quality entertainment.

>>17960538
Every definition you look up supports the idea that bespoke just means "custom made".
The Collins definition in pic even literally uses the words "made for the customer who ordered them", in other words: "made to order".

You're getting violently angry about the use of a word according to its general definition.

>>17960543
>brand
He also repairs shoes at the actual store (i.e. not in Spain).

>>17960557
Bespoke might be something like custom designs on uppers or a different pattern, custom lasts, etc
There’s a reason nigs changed their name from nicks custom boots to nicks handmade boots and why they refer to special orders as made to order (MTO)

>>17960563
>Bespoke might be something like custom lasts, etc
Yes.
Like how PNW makers like Wesco create custom lasts based on your measurements. See pic and vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBPsNMvo1KA

>>17960557
Wow, this does bring me back to those morons who vehemently defend their shoddily made MTM suit as "bespoke".

Another retard get scammed by fake bespoke. Yea, keep believing bespoke is "just custom made", Polish dunce.

>>17960568
And none of them dare to claim bespoke, they all call it "made to measure" at most when they build up the last.

>I have an aversion to retardation.
>continually spouts 2016 /pol/tard election tourist tier insults
Is no board safe?

>>17960570
>Another retard get scammed by fake bespoke
Protip: I'm a Euro, and the actual store/brand/maker itself never used the word bespoke.

>keep believing bespoke is "just custom made"
That's literally what the definition is.

>>17960571
>And none of them dare to claim bespoke
You're the one who claimed custom lasts are bespoke.
Also, the general definition equates bespoke with custom-made, tailor-made, etc.

>>17960573
He is an undesirable slav trash who slander "Europe" as if his shit hole city is Europe as a whole.

>>17960578
I'm French.

>>17960576
>You're the one who claimed custom lasts are bespoke.

I didn't. He is another poster.

>Protip: I'm a Euro, and the actual store/brand/maker itself never used the word bespoke.
So you made up shit

>That's literally what the definition is.
By whom? Not the definition agreed upon by actual practioners of trade. Stop making shit up because you don't understand a thing.
You are exactly like those thousands of morons before you buying MTO then quacking about bespoke, then get bitchslapped by people who commission real bespoke.

>>17960579
>I'm Congolese ethnicity.

>>17960578
Imagine being european and having pride.

lol. lmao

Pull the pinecone out of your pussy, fag. I don't know why she didn't love you, but don't project it on a boot thread.

>>17960582
>So you made up shit
Well no, "bespoke" is one of the main translations of "sur mesure".

>By whom?
Merriam-Webster, Cambridge, Collins, among others. See >>17960557

>>17960592
Real bespoke makers and knowledgeable consumers don't work on that "definition". You are not the first to try to stick to the dictionary simplified definition, ignorant of all the history and culture. and certainly not the last to foolishly part their money.

>>17960587
You pay more tax and have less social security than me. That''s enough to put a smile on my cheek. Get robbed by your big pharma, bitch.

>>17960600
>smiles about being treated like a child by mommy government
>can't sit home on Sunday and clean his guns
>all his boots have pointy gay toes
lol. lmao

>>17960455
the blacksmiths have a structured toe...

>>17960608
>Hit his toe on the chair
>Bankrupted by big pharma because insurance does not cover that
>Laid off from his shitty job because he gets 3 sick days per year.
>Can't have superior Alpine hiking boots with strong broad toe that dunked on his pathetic ignorant gay pointy cowboy boots ass.

>>17960611
>America had to liberate his continent
>never got over it
>wishes he owned even a pair of used Iron Rangers
>wishes he had vast landscapes to ride horses through instead of his miserable overcrowded country the size of a small US state

>>17960611
What are some good alpine hiking boots?

>>17960616
>wishes he had vast landscapes to ride horses through instead of his miserable overcrowded country the size of a small US state
Nice projection, stop larping wage cuck, time to work and get robbed by your employer.

>>17960592
Now listen here, you zoomer retard. You aren't aware of european customs and traditions when it comes to quality bootmaking because you can't into google search.
You know what grinds my gears? That I spent a whole year sucking some guy's dick in the Alps so he would sell me a pair of potato-shaped hiking boots, even though I don't ever hike, and you thing you can come here and claim you have access to bespoke boots? I won't have it and I'm gatekeeping you hard, zoomer schizo.

>>17960621
>no u
That's a toddler's argument. Should expected it from a nanny state dweller. Are you going to tell the other anon what some good alpine hiking boots are, or are you going to keep pretending my government doesn't tell yours what to do?

>>17960626
*should've

>>17960618
Hanwag, Meindl, Lowa, Trabert, Luis Trenker

>>17960626
>nanny state
Okay, set your self on fire because you can, freedumber.
Imagine having no control of your life, so you have to larp as a free man then throw tantrums to prove that "I can do what I want" Lmao pathetic.
All your vision of that free cowboy life is pure larp, you are a wage cuck that get all your wages stolen by taxation. You will never own a house much less a horse Lmao. What car do you drive? A fucking Sedan my bet, bitch.

>>17960597
>>17960622
You just spent nearly two hours getting triggered by a semantical nuance that isn't even acknowledged in the textbook definition.
You have nothing going on in your lives and are likely mentally deranged as well.

>>17960637
Does it change the fact that you are not buying any bespoke, actually got shitty MTO instead then go cry about it online like thousands of dumbass before you had done?
You are an uneducated consoomer who refused like a stubborn baboon, in learning what bespoke actually is.

>>17960622
>>17960597
Wanna have your little minds blown?

>>17960636
>european
Didn't read because the most freedom you have is coming to American sites to get your free speech fix. :^)

Post non-pointy boots.

why not just use the word bespoke correctly
made to order standard patterns isn't really bespoke, it's mto

>>17960639
If you read the story, you'd know I was literally trying boots off the rack.

>>17960641
Most freedom you American have to is choose which employers and service providers to cuck you nonstop.
Are you gonna cry now larper?

>>17960640
What is your point? Paraboot is not offering anything bespoke nor is their "handsewn" advertising is anything but hyperbole.

CFS kudu is really nice. Got some boots in reverse kudu coming too.

>>17960642
Better question is why get so incredibly buttmad when someone uses the word in the general dictionary-correct sense?

>>17960647
>she can't post non-pointy boots

>>17960646
Such "bespoke" experience, trying boots off the rack.
Let me go into Suitsupply, trying coat off the rack then go online to brag about how I tried "Bespoke" tailoring.

>>17960649
You mean you're not going to get explosively assblasted?

>>17960653
>Trooners can't stop crying because zem has no real control over their well-being nor money.

>half a thread of bitter pedantry
So this is the power of Europe.

Let's be honest here, potato lasts and extremely rounded lasts look like fucking shit. Why would you not want superior english lasts?

>>17960658
It's the Anglos who got pedantic, see >>17960516

>>17960652
No one actually shops for bespoke nor anyone work in the trade use the dictionary skimmed definition. Dumb zoomer.

>>17960659
Actual men are concerned with function over form, Nigel.

>>17960662
Not all of us have diabetes foot and 0 taste.

>>17960651
I prefer the waxed kudu
the classic feels a bit like plastic with the way they finish it

>>17960664
>little girl foot and an office job

>>17960662
do explain what "form" they lack.
A good last can be aggressively chiseled and still fit perfectly. A skilled last maker does not need to create some round abomination to loosely fit some 5'5 300lb lard ass. Every pointy bespoke shoe fits 10x better than the thing in pic rel, without looking ridiculous.
>>17960667
I've seen a lot of people not fitting C&J lasts because their puny little ankles are too small and the quarters touch.

>>17960661
>>17960654
You've now officially spent two (2) hours getting angry over someone using a dictionary-correct word.

American and their obsession with pointy toe.

>>17960667
Should I be ashamed that I make money not doing menial labor? I'm not an ape like most of you.

>>17960670
Well fitting shaped last is a foreign concept to your typical diabetus because it takes skills which their manufacturers lack.

>>17960675
Cowboy boots have pointy toes because it allows for easy stirrup entry.
That's also why they have high arches/heels, and slick flat leather front soles.

>>17960665
I don't feel any weird finish on them. They are really supple and the lining leather EB use is really good, only EG is better. Maybe this is not the same as "classic" kudu? Its the Jamaica Chestnut kudu, i believe its supposed to be a repro of the deadstock kudu that G&G used a few years ago.

>>17960673
>What I'm think meant because I saw so in the dictionary is so far removed from real life meaning, I am committed to being a buffon that refuse to learn from real life experience, much less quick google search
Dumb ass monkey.

>>17960659
For laced boots that aren't meant to be dressy, round toes are simply a must.

>>17960683
>so far removed from real life meaning
It wouldn't be the literal dictionary definition if that were true.

>>17960679
>Everyone who wears cowboy boots actually own a horse.

>>17960684
you don't need a clown toe for that. See Viberg as a prime example.

>>17960685
>Still refusing to do any search and continued to be retarded.
Another one

>>17960684
Mountaineering boots have literally square toe like an ice cube.

>>17960691
or a more used example

>>17960684
>>17960691
Can't see much difference desu

>>17960676
Get me a coffee, sweetie.

>>17960688
I'm telling you why that style of cowboy boots have pointy toes.
Also, there are plenty of "cowboy boots" that don't have any of the things I mentioned. See pic.

>>17960691
Those are still sufficiently rounded not to be confused for dressy.

>>17960693
>hurrr do your research
You're the one who didn't know the dictionary definition of "bespoke".

>>17960691
The Viberg is not extreme round, the selling point of the 2030 is the almond shape. It is the 55 last on Nicks that is so blobby that it is practically shapeless.

>>17960702
I want ropers so much, bros

>>17960701
I'll tell your mom to do it right after she done giving me a blowjob under my desk while you laboring out in the sun.

>>17960705
Why are they hard to find? Are you in Europe?
Are engineers easier to find? They're pretty much the same thing. Or just get chelsea boots. They'll look identical with your pant legs draped over them.

>>17960702
People don't use it for that purpose you are saying. American wear pointy toe for straight fashion.

>>17960707
>I'll tell your mom during our crochet circle
You do that. I take sugar in my coffee.

>>17960703
>dictionary
>not real life
You have 0 understanding of bespoke and still is, stay dumb, stay ape.

>>17960702
>>Those are still sufficiently rounded not to be confused for dressy.
If almond shapes are ok you can find options from like any european bootmaker. So why do you keep shitting your pants over "pointy" lasts when you can just get the almond shaped options?

>>17960708
eastwestapparel has a bunch of engineer options

>>17960711
You take cum with your circle of mexican co-laborers, got it. Not my problem though, bottom queen.

>>17960714
Because it is actual schitzophrenia that he kept seeing pointy toe, even when not.

>>17960719
You think about sucking cock and eating cum a lot. Nothing else to do at your desk all day, huh?

>>17960709
Yes, but the pointy toes have a historical purpose.

>>17960714
>you can find options from like any european bootmaker
Not really.
Viberg service boot toes are pretty much circular compared to most Euro boot brand toes.

>>17960725
I can fuck around and get paid, laborer can't imagine that huh? Too busy sucking your manager cock?

>>17960729
>I can fuck around and get paid
Most secretaries do.

>>17960728
So what though, brands do that pointy toe today mostly for fashion reason.

>>17960731
>mostly for fashion
And why not round toes?
People buy tons of round toes in Europe; Timberlands, Dr. Martens, etc.
Surely they're "in fashion" enough to warrant some high-quality versions made in Europe as well?

>>17960735
>And why not round toes?
because they look shit to the people actually buying high quality boots? You still have options anyway, like cheaney or tricker's in the UK.

>>17960713
Do you really not know what a dictionary is?
If the distinction between bespoke and custom was indeed so vast and marked, I can GUARANTEE that the dictionaries would reflect that.
The reality is that, in general, the two are equivalents.
Even on Wikipedia, when you switch from "sur mesure" in French to English, it takes you straight to "bespoke".

That's how definitions work; they're powered by broad consensus, not inside baseball.

>>17960730
Amazing isn't it? Make you regret your life choice or something? Are you okay buddy?

>>17960735
ever heard of this little brand called Crockett Jones?

>>17960743
>All this cope for being ignorant
Fresh meat, ripe for ripping off. Every butcher love idiot conssoomer like this.

>>17960742
>because they look shit
ok buddy

>>17960749
>Crockett Jones
lmao

>>17960753
>Every butcher love idiot conssoomer like this.
Nice English lmao
No wonder you struggle so much with English dictionary definitions.

>>17960756

Point illustrated
>>17960722

>>17960631
Danke

>>17960760
>Still so retarded he can't comprehend how real life works differently from some skimmed work on the dictionary.

>>17960764
>some skimmed work on the dictionary
Your English keeps getting worse.
Are you SURE you want to keep discussing semantics in a language you clearly do not master all that well?

>>17960767
and you are still wrong and retarded, with no real bespoke experience.

>>17960761
That's a pointy toe, anon.

Pic is a round toe.
Now go back and forth between the pics.
round toe - pointy toe
round toe - pointy toe

>>17960770
I don't need your particular experience requirements to know what words mean in a general context.

>>17960735

>>17960787
Why would anyone wear these clogs outside of the literal Alps?

>>17960785
>I have no real life experience and believe blindly in thing without context
>I chose to be a retarded ape
your life, blackie

>>17960790
So you just want to see heritage larp fashion boots?

>>17960791
>without context
lmao the dictionary definitions I posted literally provide context: "a bespoke suit", "a bespoke craftsman such as a tailor", etc.

>>17960796
No, I want strong leather winter footwear that isn't wasting space by being pointy.
Also, pointy laced boots just look like dress shoes when the shaft is covered by your pants.

>>17960797
>Never visited a tailor and does not understand real world context
Just get actual bespoke craftsmen to educate you, instead of being terminally online.
So dumb, much hurt.

>>17960800
Here your squash shaped last European made boots
>>17960787

>>17960803
You've now officially spent three (3) hours spewing ESL tirades over someone using a dictionary-correct word.

>>17960806
>Look at me trying to prove a point by stll being here crying
Look into the mirror retard
>Dictionary definition is not concurrent with real world application
Too hard for a blackie retard ape to understand, sadly.

>>17960409
if he isn't making a new last for you it ain't bespoke, it's m2m at best

>>17960805
>>Dictionary definition is not concurrent with real world application
It literally is, the dictionary definitions even explicitly refer to the world of tailoring and shoemaking.

>>17960533
bespoke is when a new last is developed specifically for you

>>17960812
He is gonna fight you to death that that is not in the dictionary.

>>17960814
You are so terminally online you don't understand how real life works.
Go say that to a older bespoke tailor and see how he reacts.

>>17960814
>>17960815
see >>17960568

Some PNW bootmakers like Wesco do exactly that.

>>17960814
>It literally is
except it isn't. you are naive.

>>17960818
>You are so terminally online you don't understand how real life works.
Says the faggot who got so triggered over someone using the literal dictionary-correct word online that he spent the next three (3) hours sperging out like an ESL Pajeet.

What went wrong in your life that led you to this miserable existence?
How have you not blown your brains out yet if THIS triggers you so much?

ITT: Pedantic autism

No wonder you have no friends.

>>17960819
They fix up an existing last with pieces of leather. not making a new last, they themselves do not call it bespoke, just phone them.

>>17960823
>They fix up an existing last with pieces of leather. not making a new last
fucking lol here comes the cope.

>>17960823
>they themselves do not call it bespoke
No, you called it that.

>>17960821
> dictionary-correct word
That is not trade correct definition in real life
> spent xx hours
You are still here crying blackie congolese retard, get some self awareness in.

Much time went on and you are still retarded.

>>17960828
proof? When did I call whatever Wssco or Whites do bespoke?

>>17960830
>That is not trade correct definition in real life
Who cares.
This is 4channel, general context-correct is more than enough unless you're a pedantic shitstain.

>>17960824
What is problem with their process? That is what they describe out of their mouth.
https://whitesboots.com/custom-boots/

"Made to Measure" is the term they use over there.

>>17960833
You said if they make a new last, it's bespoke.
Wesco does exactly that, and keeps the last in their archives.

>>17960834
>I am retarded and is terminally online, I care not how real life works
What a blackie retard. No wonder he gets ripped off easily.
Look at how admitting how ignorant you are.

>>17960836
YOU said it's bespoke if they make a new last.

>>17960838
That is another anon, not me, learn to read tone.

>>17960841
>Look at how admitting how ignorant you are.

Holy street shitter English saars

>>17960843
>That is another anon
Then don’t get involved in our discussion.

>>17960842
Quote the post you see that said so and I'll let you see it's not me, baby girl.

>>17960847
I have no respect for some dumb Blackie to type properly, keep being retard, you are doing a good job.

>>17960849
I'm talking to these people: >>17960812 >>17960815

If you're not one of them, then don't get involved in this argument.

>>17960848
Well on that topic, on the stitchdown podcast, Chris never calls that process that they are doing bespoke, he also uses made to measure. The word Bespoke carries weight, every custom bootmaker in the States dance around that word.

>>17960854
>I type like a street shitter because I hate you
strong picrel vibes

>>17960860
>Chris never calls that process that they are doing bespoke, he also uses made to measure
Yes.
But even people who think they're refuting me are saying that making a new last = bespoke.

Meaning there's a massive grey area around the word, as evidenced further by the dictionary definitions.
Meaning in turn that it's fucking retarded to get this triggered about the generalized use of the word.

>>17960861
Retard congolese please. Go howl at innocent white women over there at your designated retard corner.

>>17960861
KEK

>>17960864
When they say "making a new last", the idea is probably carve a new last out from nothing, not fix up an existing last with a few pieces of leather to deal with hot spots.
So you are not thinking what they are thinking in the first place.
Go see a bespoke tailor, and see how strict they are with what they consider bespoke.

>>17960876
>When they say "making a new last", the idea is probably carve a new last out from nothing
This is cope.

>>17960876
Even genuine handmade shoes are often made with puttied lasts, anon.
It's maker's preference.

>>17960878
Said who?

>>17960883
It's normal to keep fixing up last that you already made once you realized that it is not perfect, which is different from working on a block of plastic last churned out from a machine.

>>17960890
No plastic, you say

>>17960900
>>17960900
>>17960900
new

>>17960900
>>17960900
>>17960900
new

>>17960896
Don't bespoke makers also offer normal MTO? Is that supposed to be for a bespoke customer?

>>17960908
Anon, the video is literally "how bespoke shoes are made"

>>17960910
Bloomberg and Business Insider are notoriously misleading. They have no idea what they are shooting and narrating wrong information all the time.
So do we know what that last they they shot is for?

>>17960910
>trusting bloomberg
lol

>>17960253
TLB makes solid shoes but I'm not sure their boot patterns are any good.
Also their roughout leather looks a little weird.

I actually have a suede chukka delivering tomorrow, but obviously a chukka is way easier than a 6 inch boot.

>>17960651
Looks cool
363mod last?

That pattern might also be cool with a suede shaft. Like shell + suede.

>>17960937
363mod with extra width mod. The pattern is cool but its really tall.

>>17960412
The descriptions specifies full grain leather so should be fine

>>17960174
Is AllSaints actually a shit brand with bad quality?

>>17960139
whites 16" packer,

>>17960708
That kid wasn't me and I'm not sure why he's copying my post, but I'm in yurop and I'd rather kill myself than wear chelsea's. Engineers are cool, but the actual good ones are too expensive for me to justify wearing them 5 times per year, plus I like ropers a lot more.

>>17960409
>bespoke shoemaker who has his boots made in Spain
LMAO
So a drop shipper?

>>17960662
>>17960667
>>17960701
>>17960711
>>17960725
>>17960730
>tradecuck is mad that someone makes more money than him without having to grind their joints and back into dust
LMAO what the fuck is wrong with you? Do you actually think "yeah uhhhhh I'm doing back breaking labor for pennies just so I can walk like I shit myself when I'm 55" is a flex, you fucking retard?
KEK, no wonder america is a shithole

>>17960372
Post them on ur foot. You spam this pic every thread dude at least post a real fuckin pic you took

Who is this esl sperg anyway?

I think I remember the c*rk defender also having shit English and being confrontational like this; is this a third-world cobbler or something?