/fa/ - Fashion

>>17913560
do you guys think a current rolex op looks good on something other than its bracelet?

>>17913566
I'd say it will depend on the dial colour and strap combo. The OP is rather generic in terms of shapes used in the design, so you could pair it with anything, even straps that have patterns on them, assuming the colours work out. What combo are you thinking of Anon?

ok now that I've had a GMT watch for a week, it's a boring complication. all it is is a slower hour hand

Just wearing a watch lads

>>17913580
Agreed; I've never found the complication to be 'thrilling'. I think if I were traveling to different timezones multiple times a week, then it would be convenient...but other than that, I can't think of a reason to have one in daily life. Which one do you have Anon?

>>17913582
Nice! Keep wearing it!

>my blackest watch

>>17913591
What the fuck is wrong with you?

>>17913599
Did I say something I oughtn't? What are you wearing, Fren?

>another black watch...I have a lot of them, it seemeth...

>>17913575
a leather strap, maybe exotic. I checked reddit since I don't have instagram but I mostly see vintage OPs on straps, not the newer ones.

>>17913591
ssk005

>>17913603
Good evening, how are you doing tonight Omega-san?

>>17913605
It may be nothing, but I've noticed that newer Rolex cases seem to be designed to look best with what Rolex offers as the standard; this is why if you take a modern Sub off the bracelet and put it on a strap, the lugs tend to look 'too long' for the watch. It's a combination of where they drill the holes for the springbars as well as the actual design of the case. Vintage Rolex is different though, and many if not all vintage models look fine on bracelet or strap..it's just that the modern ones can look awful if you're not careful. The OP could look fine on leather, but as I mentioned before, you have to carefully choose the colour and texture based on the dial. Good luck!

>>17913608
Nice! Those dials are extremely legible under water due to the orange colour...

>>17913609
Most excellent, Fren. What are you wearing tonight? I thought I'd create a new thread since it was essentially dead.

>I need to film more of these...

>>17913616
IDK some piece of shit someone bought for me on a cruise and I couldn't say no. I was hoping she'd take it back but she never came for it. It's pretty new because I never wear it. Only reason I take it out from time to time is because since its automatic I can actually wear it for a while. I have 2 broken Seikos as well, a Chrono and a Perpetual Calendar.

>>17913623
I think it looks great Anon, and your pic is better than anything I can achieve. Keep posting pics...I've gotta go, but at least things are rolling here. Have a good one!

>one more black watch for now...

>>17913626
Have a good night.

Stop wearing Orient watches.

>>17913643
what about speedmasters

Dunno what people mean about dive watches not fitting under shirt sleeves

Gland S O Y K O
Gland S O Y K O
Gland S O Y K O

>>17913649
>what about speedmasters
gigabased

a158 on the wrist today. we up

>>17913560
I posted few days ago but forgot to check, but I got a new watch, what do you guys think :)

>>17913787
Forgot to mention but I found out after buying it’s a pre invicta-purchase watch

>>17913787
>>17913788
No idea what this watch is. Tell is more about it.

For me, it's the Casio Royale with an SKXMOD steel case.

>>17913580
Someone should make a watch with a faster hour hand.

>>17913623
Ah, the Recraft. They're cool, maybe a bit too big.

>>17913791
Glycine Airman, popular watch w Vietnam war era pilots, I generally like the look of it. It comes in 36mm, 40mm, and 44mm I believe. I probably would have gotten the 36 as it’s chunky and would fit well but it’s only available in 24 hour dial which I don’t wanna learn, plus the one I got was half the price of those. The one I have is 40mm, 200m wr, pretty nice finish. Kinda dorky but I like it

>>17913820
>>17913791
Like idk if id pay 700 bucks for this

>>17913824
looks like a $50 watch lol

>>17913826
Yea pretty much, like based on the build quality of them, movement, etc, I’d say it could justify being 300-400. Idk where they’re coming up w 700 from considering their better designed combat subs are under 400 dollars

>Owning Freemason watches

Behold the power of a supposedly Chinese sellita San Shartin watch. Superlative Chinkometer Officially Shartificied.

Theree months with a good amount of usage and it still works flawlessly.

>>17913849
The eastern beast.

Recently discovered the zodiac sea wolf and love the look of the older models (not too old) but wouldn’t mind one from a decade or two back, pay to have it serviced up. Anything to know/any good place to buy one?

>>17913858
ya the internet tardo

>>17913824
>>17913820
>24 hour dial which I didn't wanna learn
What's there to learn? You just look at the number. I think it has its charm.

>>17913815
That one looks sexy ngl.

>>17913864
Only the black one looks good, 44mm though, it's huge.

New entry

>>17913867
Don't let the bedbugs bite poorfag.

>>17913867
Looks OK, the rectangle markers are a tad too small maybe.

>>17913867
Nothing wrong with that watch. It's decent.

>>17913867
>ripoff Rolex hands without the logo

>>17913874
>implying it's a logo

Guide to posters

Major avatarfags
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>Poortadello/OmegaDrunk
Multi-reply specialist. Canadian. Gay. Only posts about his own watches. Very repetitive posts. Does not take new pictures of watches. Has several obscure Omegas only he cares about. Notorious for samefagging.

>Whoretadello/Degen Anon
Greek living in Germany. Cleans cars for a living. Has a Tudor, Homos and some Seikos. Life currently falling apart. Responds by getting more material things and falling in love with strippers. Precious metals investor.

>Citizen drunk/Finncel
Finnish. Alcoholic. Only owns one watch but posts a lot, mostly about alcohol or coins. Possibly immortal. Tragic case of gyno.

Semi-regular posters/minor avatarfags/possibly gone.
=================================

>Mortadello/Lawyersama
Very positive and friendly but doesn't post anything of any consequence. Lawyer. Obese. Posts terrible photos of amazing watches. Does not take criticism well.

>HamiltonDrunk
Posts a single picture per thread before getting drunk and passing out. Owns a Hamilton. Works in television and film.

>Vintage chrono anon
Owns several vintage chronographs of various makes and is knowledgeable

>Nobully anon
Has rich parents who have bought them (poster is trans) several VCs and a GS.

>Cockwatch
Has one F-91W, has posted it on his cock. Mostly posts the Casio with knives or snacks. Russian living in Latvia with his mommy.

>Reverso Anon
Has Blancpain, Rolex, Reverso. Dislikes avatarfagging. Major penfag.

>Tank autist
Compliling a very autistic list of tank style watches. Owns no watches.

>Two of Each anon
Autist of the highest order. Compelled to buy two of any watch he owns. Cannot explain why

>ALS anon
Has an 1815 Up/Down. Stays under the radar but occasionally pops his head up to flex.

>Submissive brah/Subbrah
Owns a Sub, is a sub.

>Weekdater anon
Owns a Seiko Weekdater, goes on dates weekly

>Hungarian anon
Is a watchmaker, complains about his customers

>>17913833
>non-rotating steel bezel

But the Airman's bezel does rotate. It always has. That's why it has a bezel lock.

>>17913886

>>17913867
Did this come w the bezel? Where’d you get it anon? I’ve been trying to get. 39mm version.

>>17913863
I may change my mind in the future, I think the price is more of a determining factor. I could get used to the 24hr hand but don’t think it’s worth 700

>>17913834
every time with these types

>>17913888
>>17913890
maybe they misspelled? Idk what the point of that bezel is if it doesn’t rotate

>>17913893
Probably. The fact that the graphic doesn't have the GMT-Master 6542 from the 1950s in there is also suspect, because that would make the Seiko look like even more of a ripoff.

>>17913890
You mean bracelet? Yeah it has a bracelet but I don't like it, I prefer NATO straps.
I got it directly from Glycine online store

Finally got the 50 Phantoms bros and amazingly, this fucker can somehow stand toe to toe against my fucking Spring Drive.

I'm sure Spinnaker doesn't regulate their movements prior to the movement being placed inside the case so this is probably the equivalent of winning the grand prize in the whole Seiko Lottery bullshit.

Just get a Weekdater.

>>17913900
That said, the shitter in question.

Fucker survived my Grand Seiko test since it didn't have me wishing I was wearing my GS instead.

>>17913900
That says more about Spring Drive than whatever's in the Spinnaker.

>>17913909
Not really, since Quartz accuracy is already a baseline, whereas it took 7 Automatics to get to -/+ 1SPD, with 4 of them supposedly being regulated before movement placement.

Hell, for those 4, guys in their midlife crises keep telling me I should be happy for getting -/+4~6 SPD because hurr durr its within spec.

>>17913901
Quite exquisite anon

>>17913912
*shrug* ok.

>>17913560
Cope, if you must.

>>17913927
I can never wrap my head around why Bunkyo Tokyo is considered Entry Level Luxury instead of a microbrand, is it just because most Japanese microbrands are just so bad to the point that the ONLY ONE that's actually good = luxury brand?

>>17913935
Microbrand doesn't appear to be a category. Ming is a microbrand too.

The watches are extremely well-made and finished, even if they have a pedestrian movement. Obviously they're not in the same league as an actual Hajime Asaoka piece. I think it's accurate to say it's an entry-level luxury watch.

>>17913940
Are his pieces worth the acclaim it's getting? People talk about him as if he's some Japanese Gerald Genta

>>17913942
Like the actual Asaoka watches? Yeah, they're excellent. He's more like the Japanese George Daniels. He's as much an engineer as an artisan, not so much a designer.

He'll try strange stuff, like seeing if ball bearings can be used in place of rubies (picrel)

>>17913944
>like seeing if ball bearings can be used in place of rubies
I always thought the same, jewels seemed a bit primitive to me.

>>17913944
If you call that a product of an Engineer, it would make someone like Marc from Long Island look like an amateur in comparison.

That is fucking stunning.

>>17913944
should have made the bearings our of ceramics or rubies then counted each ball as a jewel so it could have 70 jewels

Lots of grey dials pretending to be black in this thread. Why can't brands like omegay get black right?

>>17913948
marc is an amateur regardless

>>17913948
>If you call that a product of an Engineer,

Sorry
>He's as much an engineer as an artisan,
means he's equal parts engineer AND artisan. picrel, I think we don't really need a mainplate, do we?

>>17913950
We would see a resurgence of the jewel wars.

>>17913956
I'd rather that over brand wars bullshit. I actually learn something instead of seeing people be pretentious in their attempts to defend their horrible purchasing decisions.

>>17913960
No, the jewel wars were a thing from the end of the pocket watch era to about the early 1950s when brands discovered that in customers' heads
>more jewels = more better
So they would just start pointlessly over-jeweling their movements, even in places there the jewels did nothing.

The famous Waltham 100 had a 17 jewel automatic movement with a rotor supported by 83 pointless jewels.

>>17913967
every pivot I want to be jeweled and shock protected including the barrel

My grail. I wont be satisfied in life until I can afford to slap this on my wrist every single day.

>>17913575
If that's your watch, did you go through the Omega boutique or elsewhere? I'm considering trading in my 1861 but I have no relationship with an Omega boutique so I'd have to go grey or used and it looks like they're trading for around $20k. How do you like it?

>>17913927
Where does Christopher ward fall? Where do I go from here? I’ll be in Japan soon if it makes a difference price wise. I would like to spend less than $5000

>>17913978
Isn't this the ugliest most basic bitch watch VC makes?

>>17913978
For me it's the 222.

>>17913991
If you're in Japan it would make sense to buy a 9F Grand Seiko.

>>17913994
You're probably thinking of the fiftysix.

>>17913991
As one other Anon said, it doesn't cover microbrands, it's why I was confused why Kurono Tokyo was regarded as entry level luxury since their business model and size makes them more reminiscent to microbrands like Zelos, hell, I'd daresay Zelos might be bigger than them in terms of volume.

As for your trip to Japan, $5000 should be more than enough. I remember calculating the watches from picrel and if its true that they got all of THESE watches for $338k, the author got all of these watches for a massive bargain since if you look at how much these costs in the West, it easily surpasses half a million

>>17914002
I'm pretty sure that's a Seiko.

>>17914002
The basic model is pretty shit but the complete calendar has soul.

>>17914002
>>17914009
Don't they use re-use JLC movements?

>>17913999
>Grand Seiko 9f
It’s a nice looking watch but I’m hesitant to spend over $1000 on a quartz watch. Redpill me on it or maybe suggest another.
>>17914006
Thanks wish me luck. Ideally I would like to spend closer to $1000 but $5000 is my top.

>>17914012
>It’s a nice looking watch but I’m hesitant to spend over $1000 on a quartz watch
B-b-b-but the zaratsu polishing! You know that's the finish they put on samurai swords? Like, no other watch company in the world puts that kind of finish on their cases?

If you're going to buy something in Japan, make sure it's a Japan-only model. If it's something you can just as easily buy from Seiya or something then it won't be special.

If you're buying a used watch in Japan, make sure you bring a friend who is local. That way they're less likely to sell junk to some stupid tourist.

>>17913978
Mine is this

>>17914019
>If you're buying a used watch in Japan, make sure you bring a friend who is local. That way they're less likely to sell junk to some stupid tourist.

I don't think this'll be a problem since the guy seems to know which specific watches he's looking for.

That said, I've soured on zaratsu polish. It looks great, it frustrates boomers when your GS glimmers way more than their Rolex, but it's also the reason why Grand Seiko depreciates faster than a brand new car the moment it drives off the dealership. I'm not a fan of speculators, but a lot of normies genuinely factor speculation as the key reason why they'd ever go for a watch and it doesn't help that GS watches are scratch magnets.

>>17914025
>but it's also the reason why Grand Seiko depreciates faster than a brand new car the moment it drives off the dealership

It's not the only reason. The bigger reason is that Grand Seiko is still massively overpriced. They're trying to do the same thing Omega is doing: price equal to Rolex, quality must be equal too! As a 2-3k watch, they're a steal. But at fucking 10k or whatever they think they're worth, they're a joke and the punchline is their customers.

>>17914030
> The bigger reason is that Grand Seiko is still massively overpriced.

It doesn't bother me since I can't be assed to buy GS brand new when I can get them pre-owned in Japan for $2-3k less. That said, I'm still paranoid about whether the inflation going on in Japan will affect consumer behavior over there, since affordable luxury pre-owned watches being a thing is specifically a product of that. If the Japanese follow the Westerners, it's all over for this hobby.

>>17914030
The sad thing is, GS are not overpriced. I'm sorry but the quality talk and hype around the brand is the real deal. Tudors feel like toys next to my white birch. They just are. The only other watches in that price range that I compared it with are Rolexes and I'm just going to say it, sadly, all those "GRAND SEIKO IS BETTER THAN ROLEX!!" videos and posts and talk, are true. They are not even on the same league when it comes to finishing and everything actually to. And let us not talk about Spring drive vs a normal 28.800vph mechanical movement. The watches in question are the oyster perpetual date and the yachtmaster II. I can't post pictures sadly because my ip range is banned from posting files.
I spend a lot of time with macro lenses and the GS White Birch is simply impeccable. My black bay on the other hand has so many flaws under the lens, I was considering returning it. And the price isn't that far off. The main and Only ptoblem that GS has, is what all japanese companies have in common, they suck at marketing. Their complete lack of understanding the overseas market due to autism, is the reason why GS loses value. I got mine almost 30% off MSRP and it felt like I robbed them. The watch was sitting there since April. Imagine if Toyota decided to name Lexus "Grand Toyota", that's how badly seiko fucked up.
Hate me all you want but I am speaking the truth. I trult believe that, in order to see a jump in quality, I have to compare ir to 20K+ watches. Which I am planning to do this week at Wempe in Nürnberg.

>>17914025
>it frustrates boomers when your GS glimmers way more than their Rolex
This is headcanon. 95% of Boomer Rolex owners don't even know Grand Seiko exists. Of the 5% who are aware Grand Seiko exists, 95% can't tell the difference between it and a regular Seiko.

>>17914042
>GRAND SEIKO IS BETTER THAN ROLEX
You know half of those youtube video makers, once they actually get their Rolex immediately publish a video called, "The wait was worth it!"

But I can see you're developing the same obsession with Rolex that every GS owner has.

>I got mine almost 30% off MSRP and it felt like I robbed them. The watch was sitting there since April
That means it's overpriced. If it was fairly priced, it would be gone.

>>17914042
>The classic GS owner's cope.

>>17914042
>Their complete lack of understanding the overseas market due to autism, is the reason why GS loses value.
Yeah I disagree. They lose value because of their incoherent design language and high MSRP. I actually like GS and there are some models I would seriously consider buying, but 99% of them are cooked either with respect to dimensions or dial or movement finishing or shit bracelets.

If they could produce a decent looking chronograph or a diver that doesn't have freakish dimensions then they would be perceived much more favorably by the public.

>>17914050
Like I said, I don't expect you to understand. You can always go and try on a GS White Birch and examine it with a lense.
I had to mention rolex because that's all everyone around me is wearing and I don't have any other brand (in that price range) to compare it with. It's unavoidable. And I don't mind rolex, I just don't think about it or consider buying one at all. Because, (at that price range, I have to clarify) they feel like toys in comparison. That's why high end replicas of rolex exist that are 99.9% the same, but no Grand Seiko.
Listen, I understand that brand recognition is a very important aspect/factor when it comes to buying watches. The brand recognition is at 10 with rolex and maybe a 2 with GS. But some people really don't care about that.

>>17914042
>The main and Only ptoblem that GS has, is what all japanese companies have in common, they suck at marketing.

There's also the fact that they're overpriced, have ugly cases that are generally too big and too thick, and have bracelets that wouldn't pass muster on a 90's Omega, along with other bizarre styling choices.

>>17914055
>oyster perpetual msrp 8000
>white birch 10000
Yeah I got the more expensive watch so that I can cope. That's some sound logic my lad.

>>17914061
>Like I said, I don't expect you to understand.
>White Birch! WHITE BIRCH!!
Are you actually sobbing as you're writing?

FWIW, I've actually owned a couple Grand Seikos. (9F GMT and first-gen Snowflake.)

>>17914065
Didn't you say you got yours at a discount?

You paid 7800 and it was sitting in the case for months! When's the last time you heard of a Rolex being sold brand new at a discount?

Checkmate.

>>17914064
Go and try a GS White Birch and we can talk again. Forget pics, forget videos and forget that biased opinion that you yourself didn't form and go and see for yourself.
Anyway that's enough for now, I don't need to say anything, it is what it is. And everyone can buy the thing that makes their dick hard. I am not judging, my entire point was that grand seiko's are, sadly, not overpriced. Sadly because I want more people to experience this.

I write all of this while wearing my tudor right now, might seem hypocritical.

>>17914071
Yeah, brand recognition. And yes I was talking MSRP.

>>17914075
I know. You are trying extremely hard to convince us that your watch is better than a Rolex. We don't actually care, but it's fun to watch you try.

>>17914069
Yes, he obviously is.
Why did you get rid of the 9F and Snowflake?

>>17914076
No, no I'm not. Brand recognition is what makes the rolex a better watch for many, and I can't disagree with that. It's just one factor that doesn't matter to me, just how to some the movement doesn't matter or the finishing.
To each his own.

>>17914043
No, this was a notion I was initially unfamiliar with hence why when I was talking to a guy who owns a microbrand, he noted how GS stands out from a distance way more than Rolex does, I didn't know what he meant until I got my GS since no amount of shilling zaratsu polish makes sense until you see it in person. I didn't really have a frame of reference at that point.

That said, I still see this more as a curse than a blessing. I honestly think that Zaratsu Polish should only be done for their dress watches, not their Sports or Evolution 9 series, although some Evolution 9 being dress watches muddies the waters a bit.

>>17914050
Andrew Morgan admitted on a podcast that he only does that because algorithmically, it puts their videos on top the moment Rolex is in the thumbail or the title.

That was also the point where I stopped bothering with the guy.

>>17914080
For me, the thing I like about my Rolex is that I'll be able to get it serviced in ten years

>>17914081
I think the zaratsu on case doesn't matter and it will get scratched anyway pretty fast. But what does matter are the hour markers on the dial. Those will be shinny for, probably many many decades.

>>17914081
>Zaratsu Polish
I'm about to blow your mind:
Zaratsu polish is not special. Everyone does it. It's called black polishing in the rest of the world.
The Japanese call it Zaratsu because they got these old Sallaz polishing machines after WW2. When you say "Sallaz" with a Japanese accent, it's Zaratsu.

>>17914069
You just dismissed everything I wrote with:
>cope, sobbing
If you don't want to talk watches, just say so.
>>17914086
Yes it's another sad attempt at marketing from GS.

>>17914083
>Andrew Morgan admitted on a podcast that he only does that because algorithmically, it puts their videos on top the moment Rolex is in the thumbail or the title.
It's pretty unfortunate but this is a big reason why watch YouTubers are so shit. Rolex is the only thing that gets views. I don't really blame them for following the money but it's a sorry state of affairs.

Whoretadello needs to get his IP range unbanned from posting pics. He's way less entertaining when he's just posting screechy essays about his Seiko and how no one else "gets it."

>>17914086
unironically muh zaratsu polish is probably one of the most successful watch marketing campaigns I've ever seen. you can't go two posts about GS without someone bringing it up.

>>17914092
I notice you also studiously ignored the fact that he's also a GS owner.

>>17914098
Yeah, he bought 2 GS's before realizing that he doesn't want them and sold them.
I know of one anon here who owns a snowflake, I guess it's not the same person. If he's telling the truth, then I want to know why he didn't like the snowflake. Never seen one irl so I can't have an opinion. About the 9F, well it's the cheapest GS so I don't expect much. I can see why one doesn't like that one.

>>17914094
Well why do you ignore when I say that, you should simply go and try one for yourself? How is that statement coping or whining?
If you don't want to do that, it's fine, but you simply won't "get" it if you don't.

>>17914100
I'm >>17914079

The 9F was a special edition and I was able to sell it for what I paid. It had a brown dial that looked better in pictures than in person.
The Snowflake was too big and bulky. It was nice to look at, but not so nice to wear. The bracelet was also bad.

Every GS I've ever tried has had massive flaws in terms of wearability. Maybe the Japanese wear their watches really loose?

>>17914101
Oh, but I have tried them. These are not rare watches. I have a GS boutique in my city. I've examined them under a magnifying glass and everything.

>>17914103
Maybe that's why they had many smaller links on the white birch because people complained about the snowflake, you're/were not the only one with that problem, at least from what I read online. I guess everything you wrote, they addressed it with the "successor". Did you mind the lack of weight due to it being titanium?
And I am glad that you at least got your money back from the 9F

>>17914104
Then we can have a civil conversation finally.
I just hate that almost all talk here starts and ends with
>"cope"
I appreciate that you didn't do that.

Anyway, so what exactly did you not like after studying a GS and wearing one? I ak actually curious.

waywt
square g 24/7 365

>>17913560
hi

>>17914105
>Did you mind the lack of weight due to it being titanium?
No. I'm not one of those guys who thinks the light weight of titanium makes it feel flimsy. I usually wear my watches on straps, so even a gold watch will weigh less than a full bracelet Ti watch.

It simply wasn't comfortable to wear in terms of size and shape.

That's GS's problem, I think. They're focused on making watches that look good on social media more than they're focused on making thin, comfortable, elegant watches.

Say what you will about Rolex, they are comfortable. They disappear on the wrist.

>>17914084
>the thing I like about my Rolex is that I'll be able to get it serviced in ten years
lmao as if GS doesn't do that.

>>17914037
Do you mean that the Japanese won’t buy new luxury watches and will buy the used ones or that westerners will have to sell their luxury watches and there will be even more used luxury watches?

>>17914086
>Zaratsu polish is not special. Everyone does it.
lmao pretty much nobody does it aside from maybe AP on the Royal Oak.

if you have a problem wearing a watch you’re just a manlet plain and simple. probly a trans r*editor too.

>>17914097
That's because it really is incredible.
Take your standard Omega with a polished surface and put it next to a GS and it's instantly apparent.

>>17914084
Keep repeating and misrepresenting that one thing you read from some literal who, i'm sure people here will believe you.

>>17914108
>Anyway, so what exactly did you not like after studying a GS and wearing one? I ak actually curious.

I didn't get the "wow" that I was expecting. People were like, "Oh, these will blow you away!" and they didn't. The dial textures are really nice, but that's where it ends. The bracelets obviously didn't get the same amount of attention as the case. The movement finishing is nothing special (apart from the MicroArtist special editions, which are stunning).

The styling is definitely not my cup of tea. I know why they do the wide dauphine hands, but I don't like them. I think their case shapes are actually ugly.

The impression I got was something that of something extremely well-made, but it was not a luxury piece. And, before you start, I'm ignoring price and brand recognition and all that. The Jaeger-LeCoultres that I looked at felt more luxurious. They fit the wrist better, like someone thought about that. They had little playful touches. They felt like they were made by guys who had spent years getting good at watchmaking versus simply being stamped out of a machine.

>>17914113
>No. I'm not one of those guys who thinks the light weight of titanium makes it feel flimsy.
And Thought I was te only one.

>That's GS's problem, I think. They're focused on making watches that look good on social media more than they're focused on making thin, comfortable, elegant watches.

I'll take your word for it because the only GS's I tried are rhe SLGA009 and the SBGY009. Both fit like a glove.
Maybe it really is that only their recent models finally addressed this issue? Because again, you are not the first one who says that. About them being fat watches, that's true and it doesn't make much sense because credor are thin and dressy, GS's feel clunky in comparison.

>>17914030
>hurr GS quality isn't equal to Rolex's
Are you kidding?
Grand Seiko quality runs circles around Rolex.

Finishing GS cases, hands, indices, ... requires infinitely more work than the extremely basic finish Rolex applies.

>>17914117
>lmao pretty much nobody does it aside from maybe AP on the Royal Oak.
Yes they do. It's just lapidary polishing. Look it up. Sallaz is just the brand name of the machine.

And actually, the company that does the case finishing for Grand Seiko also does the Zaratsu finishing for Oceanus. You can literally get the exact same finish done by the same guys in a fucking Casio.

>>17914061
Why is the white bitch 9000 when the heritage spring drives are 4000? Also do you know what models are exclusive to the Japanese market?

>>17914127
If you trick people into thinking something is a limited edition, they'll panic buy.

>>17913886
I'm trying to take better pics now.

>>17914121
>The styling is definitely not my cup of tea. I know why they do the wide dauphine hands, but I don't like them. I think their case shapes are actually ugly.
Personally, I love them, obviously because I wouldn't have bought one if I didn't, but what bothers me is that it has to be the same hands on every single one of their watches? Really? I mean I know their reasoning, like you said too, but they are shooting themselves on the foot foe doing so. Credor, again, doesn't do that.
Btw what kind of hands do you prefer? Don't say snowflake like the Tudor please.
>The impression I got was something that of something extremely well-made, but it was not a luxury piece.
I think I actually know what you fucking mean by that. It's like they perfected simplicity, but the character is lacking which, in turn, makes it also lack in that Luxury feeling because it doesn't have that "Exotic" feeling that you can't get anywhere else. But it doesn't feel machine pressed, because it isn't, that's where I disagree.
So basically, the movement and the dial are amazing, but they have to figure out a different styling language to appeal to you?
I wish I could disagree with the things you mentioned, but I can't. You are right, these are legit criticism. I appreciate your honesty about their finishing. The indicators are masterfully done. But I digress.
Have you ever tried to breguet?

>>17914125
>And actually, the company that does the case finishing for Grand Seiko also does the Zaratsu finishing for Oceanus. You can literally get the exact same finish done by the same guys in a fucking Casio.
Yeah but the case supplier is owned by Seiko, so they probably spend less time for each Casio case than they do for the GS. It's probably less complex as well. Polishing cases that way is incredibly easy to fuck up, it's still done by hand and needs a lot of feel.

>>17914133
>>17914121
Sorry for asking so many questions. What did you think of the Bracelet? I felt like it's a secondary thought. But not as much as people claim to be.

>>17914132
>I'm trying to take better pics now.
You're doing a good job, my friend.

>>17914127
The funny thing is, a snowflake and a white birch are only 1500-2000$ apart in price. Go to chrono for example. At least in Japan it is like that.
But we are taking MSRP here. I don't know if the white birch is worth twice of that as the snowflake, never compared them.
But logic says, that no, it's noth worth twice the MSRP.
I'm going to japan very soon and I don't care about GS there, I really want another credor. I will look for one in Ueno. If I find an eichi II at a good price (less than 30K) I might pull the trigger.

>>17914132
Is that actually your own pic? Wow that looks like a stock pic on their website. It's amazing. Keep it up.

>>17914142
>If I find an eichi II at a good price (less than 30K) I might pull the trigger.
Doubt, there really aren't many made, ~20 per year since 2014.

>>17914133
>Btw what kind of hands do you prefer?
I don't have any specific preference. The handset should be appropriate to the styling of the rest of the watch.

>So basically, the movement and the dial are amazing, but they have to figure out a different styling language to appeal to you?
I didn't say the movement was amazing. Spring Drive does not interest me. Getting crazy accuracy out of a quartz movement is not hard. My 50 dollar G-Shock only loses about 3 seconds per year.

The styling's issue is that it doesn't know what it wants to be. Dressy or sporty? Chunky-casual or elegant?

>Have you ever tried to breguet?
Yes, they're incredible.

>>17914141
>>17914143
Thank you both. The problem mainly was that I was too stubborn to actually use my camara, instead of my potato phone.

Now I'm doing the opposite. Another nee pic.

>>17914149
*new

>>17914139
>What did you think of the Bracelet?

The titanium ones are pin and collar, which is inexcusable at that price point. The steel ones' screw bar system is a little fiddly, but it works fine.
The clasp is the biggest problem. In this day and age, that you would not have a microadjust (not even a quick adjust, no microadjust at all) is beyond the pale.

>>17914125
Virtually all luxury watch cases are polished using soft buffing wheels. There's no finesse involved, and these days machines typically do it, like at Rolex (see pic).

Zaratsu uses a hard spinning tin plate, and the cases have to be held against it by hand using jigs.
This is much more involved since the surface already has to be pretty slick; but the resulting polish is that much finer, and the hardness of the tin plate means you can polish intricate facets which you could never do with a buffing wheel.

>>17914153
>The clasp is the biggest problem.
Yes, I have to be honest here, I was disappointed that, at that price range, it was as simple as a presage or a babh alpinist. Considering that both my (much cheaper) credor and my black bay ceramic got a unique butterfly clasp and whatever the one on the Tudor is called.
That is kinda inexcusable. But it's not a deal breaker for me. The quality is still there, for what it's worth. I have to cope on the micro adjustment too because, they use so many small links that it is probably not possible to not find your perfect fit with the slga009. Granted they had to re-adjust it 3 fucking times until it was perfect, but after everything was set and done, it fits perfectly.
A friend of mine is a san martin fanatic, he buys one or two every month, and he makes fun of me because his watches do have micro adjustment and mine doesn't. It is a legit criticism yes but not a dealbreaker.

>>17914142
>I really want another credor.

The Goldfeather is nice, but only the ones in gold, not the nasty steel ones.
The Masterpiece and Art Piece collections are incredible, but aren't very wearable. Too big and busy.

Everything else in their lineup can be safely skipped. Just jewelry pieces or entry-level garbage selling nothing more than the brand name.

Inside the Zaratsu finishing...

>>17914157
>Granted they had to re-adjust it 3 fucking times until it was perfect, but after everything was set and done, it fits perfectly.
Just wait until summer and it's too tight because your wrist swelled.

One of my friends, who owns a similarly non-microadjust Omega simply switches to a strap in the summer and back onto the bracelet in winter.

>>17914160
>"basis movement"
>GS lion logo added on in MS Paint

oh the cope

>>17914158
Their new small lineup of two watches, the Kuon. Gclx999 and gclx997. Take a loot at those. They feel like baby Eichi's to me. I was planning on geting either or in Japan but I got the slga009 instead.

>>17914157
For me, a shit bracelet actually is a dealbreaker. That's why I flipped my Cartier Santos, for example. (And that one had a very easy-to-resize bracelet. All you needed was your thumbnail.)

I don't give a fuck what the brand name on the dial is, if it's not comfortable to wear, that's the end of the story. I'm not here to compromise.

>Verification not required.

>>17913560
If this has been asked before I apologize, can someone help a brother out and redpill me on Omega speedwatches?

ie the moonwatch (example: https://www.chrono24.ca/omega/omega-speedmaster-professional-moonwatch--id31277169.htm))

would be appreciated. Used is like 5K, a new one is 9-10Kish. Buy used, buy new, buy it at all?

>>17914167
>the Kuon. Gclx999 and gclx997
Those were the ones I was talking about in terms of entry-level.

>They feel like baby Eichi's to me.
That's exactly the point. You can already find them at a discount.

>>17914169
If you could spend 10k on a watch you wouldn't be asking this on vietnamese basket weawing forum.

>>17914132
MORTADELLO RITARDELLO
MANGIATORE DI FAGIOLAAAAAAA

>>17914176
10k leafbux

>>17914132
Whats the point of that bezel pattern? Shiver me timbers the ship wheel?

>>17914169
Here's the final Speedmaster pill

- It's a historically important watch
- It's also a large, thick watch and it's a pain in the ass to hand-wind because the crown is recessed in the case. It has great lume and is very legible. It also has basically no water resistance. The Hesalite (acrylic) crystal is not as fragile as people make it out to be.
- Every watch collector should experience it at least once. You don't have to own one, just borrow one from a friend for a couple days.

- At that point, one of two things will happen. 90% chance you'll get bored of it, 10% chance you'll become fanatical about Speedmasters. That 10% chance increases among incels.

- If you want to buy one, just get a cheap one from Japan for around 3.5k. Then sell it for about the same amount the next year.

>>17914182
Get the new 3861 for hacking because the old movement is a shitter without hacking

>>17914042
holy cope

>>17914187
Hacking is not as important as you think if you know how to do a watchmaker's hack.
The difference between the old movement and new is not enough to make up for the difference in price. You're getting the same Speedmaster experience. No matter what, it still feels like a watch from the 1960s.

>>17914132
Very nice.
I am also sleazemaxxing today.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/03y9aIKBUKPmAvX2BPHirZ?si=0UH6g-H2QW6HDULtJ00QIQ

>>17914182
>It's also a large
Post your tits.

>>17914200

>>17914192
>a watchmaker's hack.
Is that the thing where you turn the crown just right so the seconds hand starts reversing?

>>17914206
Yep, just a little backpressure on the crown can stop the seconds hand. A little more pressure and it will start to run backwards.

>>17914168
I won't argue against that, it's a valid reason to not want/like a watch. It's the basis, if the fitting is constantly bothering you then it gets annoying and that's the last thing you want from your jewelry.

>>17914195
>a fucking Hublot
OK, it's actually kind of nice. One of the first I've seen that doesn't look cartoonish. What model is it?

>>17914209

>>17914142
If you had up to $5000 to spend in Japan which watch would you buy. The credor looks lovely but that’s outside my price range.

>>17914221
Yeah but head is crisp, just put it on a strap.

Anyone know what watch this is? Google is no help

>>17914232
Looks like some cheap copy of a Junghans.

>>17914227
>If you had up to $5000 to spend in Japan which watch would you buy. The credor looks lovely but that’s outside my price range.
Used Rolex in japan

>>17914233
Looks about right. I actually like that the first one doesn't have any text on the dial

>>17914218
It's a Super B Flyback. It's a pre-Big Bang Hublot, a different era.

>>17914227
Considering that it's japan, I would get a very thin mechanical credor. Maybe a GCBE997. I think it's called the signo-line.
Or something with a unique dial like the GCBE993. A credor node moonphase is also on the radar. Or any node with a spring drive.
But my main goal is to find a breguet Classique at a good price.

Lunar Pilot is the best watch ever. Simple as.

>>17914244
>But my main goal is to find a breguet Classique at a good price.
Not for 5000 bucks unless you're ok with a tiny 32mm one.

>let me guess, you need more?

also, how come all good old models get discontinued?

>>17914181
>Whats the point of that bezel pattern?
SOVL

>>17914246
Too large

No, I am not near central florida

>>17914246
Try wearing one irl, see if your mind doesn't change

>>17913991
>Where does Christopher ward fall? Where do I go from here?
Enthusiast imo

>>17914246
too big

>>17913991
It's in Quasi-Luxury. Are you blind?

>>17914252
we up

>>17914264
>>17914265
>>17914267
Girls, its 43 mm.

>>17914272
38-40mm is the perfect size for your average non obese man

>>17914272
yes and the lug to lug is 50

>>17914072
I mean one thing i agree with is that most grand seikos are better than rolex Oyster perpetuals at the very least

>>17914182
I liked my grand seiko over my speedmaster

>>17914182
gracias amigo, very helpful

the boredom thing concerns me, I already have a bunch of 'nothingspecial' watches that I swap daily to match my outfits, not sure I need another one I'll only wear once a week.

>>17914288

>>17914293
Bulova diver in rose gold with the blue/red strap
Bulova Computron in gold (everyone asks me about it when I wear that one)
Sieko 5 Sport in green with the brown leather strap
Gucci timeless with the house web nato strap, tiger face
Gucci timeless with the nato strap in red and pink
a Heritor moonphase automatic with black leather strap (don't laugh, and it also is very complimented when I wear it)
Versace chrono watch, white face with a bracelet
Versus Versace plastic yellow quartz cheapy

>watch thread #9238429834
I can't take seriously watch "people". Why do you keep discussing watches like a bunch a autists?
Just get a steel Datejust and a gold Tank and move on with your life ffs.

>>17914294
Sneedmaster is an ugly watch. I don't like it. I don't give a shit about muh moon heritage. It's fuckhuge and ugly. If you like it then good for you that's all that matters.

>>17914301
That's not a Reverso

>>17914301
>>17914306
Basically just buy Reverso Anon's collection

- a sports watch
- a Datejust
- a Reverso
- a gold HH dress watch

>>17914301
Wanna start # the /wt/'s? That's a good idea.

>>17914314
No fuck off

>>17914306
>>17914308
The Reverso is a meme and it wears like shit.

>>17913983
It is my watch, and I definitely didn't go through the Omega Boutique. It's a 105.012-66 HF, which I bought from a lovely gentleman who wanted it to go to someone who would love it as much as he did. I also own an 1861, bought from Japan. Obviously, I love the 105.012 - from my point of view, it's the ideal version of all Speedmaster Professionals: lyre lugs, short pushers, large crown, long indices, applied logo, and cal. 321 inside. There is nothing like it, and it's the same general model as the one worn by Aldrin and Armstrong on Apollo 11 (though theirs were from earlier years and used a CB case).

Yes, right now they are trading around 20k depending on condition; if mine were on the market, it would be around that too due to the original condition, lack of polishing, and condition of the dial and bezel; in particular, the 'ghost' bezel might push it higher, but I don't know if that trend will stay or not. Anyway, I will never sell it, so it doesn't really matter.

It remains the most accurate mechanical wristwatch I own, more because my watchmaker pulled it into my specs and knows my wearing habits than anything else. It's a daily wear, and one that has been with me on several adventures already.

If you're thinking of a vintage 321, the first thing you need to find is a watchmaker that you trust. Then your next goal is to find one on the open market that is as original as possible. Then you need to do your research to confirm the authenticity before purchase, and then you buy and enjoy. There's more, but I could go on and on. Is there something specific you are worried or concerned about?

>>17914326
You can't stop me.

>>17914331
Based omegadrunk blogposting

today I will impart more wisdom on yous

Mechanicals = Inherent cope on all levels, for sissyboys/liberals, eternal non ending levels of cope, "art"

Quartz = Brute forcing functionality, conservative values, no cope on any levels since the wearer knows it's a shitter that serves pure function

Zoomers love problems, fiddling, clinging to the past which they never experienced, thinking things were better before, hipsters, that's why they find appeal in mechanicals, vinyl, physical media, vhs tapes and more hipster shit like that

Boomers don't have time for bullshit, problems, value time as it's running out, they already experience the shitty past and technologies (mechanicals, vhs tapes, legacy physical media and so on) and are ready to leave it behind

Thoughts?

>>17914182
>90% chance you'll get bored of it, 10% chance you'll become fanatical about Speedmasters. That 10% chance increases among incels.

This. Every Sneedmaster fan can go from telling you why the plastic brake in the 1861 isn't so bad to telling you about how they got friendzoned by Stacey despite being a "nice guy."

>>17914337
If only there was a mechanism/movement that combined the best of both worlds.

>>17914341
There is. It's called Seiko Kinetic.

>>17914341
springdrives are the final cope, even worse than mechcucks.

>>17914329
>wears like shit

>>17914343
If that helps you sleep at night.

>>17914341
If only.

>>17914352
>*beeps at a high frequency*

>>17914169
Here's what I did:
1) Buy used from Japan, lowest possible price with full bracelet (that is very important if you have big wrists like me). Box and papers are not important if it's an 1861.
2) Once received, send it to Omega to do a full service. Let them replace what they think they need to replace (i.e. bezel, crystal, and other exterior cosmetic things).
3) Wear a new 1861 and enjoy for life.

If you buy a new 1861, you pay a premium...but I'm not sure what for. As for 'buy at all'? Consider that the Speedy is, by some statistics, the most traded watch on the grey market. It's the most sold, and the most bought, so that gives you an idea. The demand is always there, but also there seems to always be a 'mistake' demand where people buy and then want to sell after a while.

Anon here >>17914182 did a great post. I'd only mention that the winding is a problem on 1861s because they made the crown smaller in the 70s, so all 1861s suffer from this. If you get a vintage 321 though (145.012, 105.012, or earlier), then you don't have this problem. Similarly, water resistance is to 50m, which is fine for everyday use and even for swimming. JUST BE SURE TO CHECK THE GASKETS before going in the water (i.e. have the watch pressure tested), and never take a vintage watch in the water at all. My modern 1861 has seen water and has had no ill effects.

Though I own both vintage and modern, I find the modern one has become something of a 'get shit done watch' that I don't worry about when on the wrist. The vintage one I have to be more careful with, of course. That's all I can think of at the moment.

Good luck!

>>17914345
It does wear like shit. Case is too long and doesn't curve. Also the lugs look like Batman ears. Stupid watch.

>Casio is destitute cope
>San Martin is poorfag cope
>Orient is Seiko cope
>Seiko is entry level shitter cope
>Tissot is swatch shitter entry level and royal oak cope
>Longines, Oris, Zenith, Tudor and Omega are Rolex cope
>Rolex is Patek Philippe cope
>Homos is Glasshütte Original cope
>Glasshütte Original is A Lange & Söhne cope
>Jaeger-LeCoultre is Vacheron Constantin cope
>Vacheron Constantin is F.P. Journe cope
>Grand Seiko is Eichi II Credor cope
>Credor Eichi II is Philippe dufour cope
>Philippe dufour and FP journe are cope of feeling empty inside and knowing that someone with a Casio is much happier than you and your 7 figure watch

COPE
COPE
COPE

>>17914368
>this post is cope

GRAND SEIKO
GRAND SEIKO
GRAND SEIKO

>>17914368
I'll settle for ALS

>>17914379
Yeah I also would like to have ALS and die painfully

>>17914244
GCBE993 Is a beautiful watch. I also like the kwon GCLX997. They are both manual winders. Does that mean that it’s not automatic and I will have to hand wind every some days? Should that be a deterrent? I’m not a huge watch guy. I love watches and my relatively inexpensive Christopher ward c90, but I’m not familiar with the market. Are these credors available in the US? I’ve never heard of them. I’ll be in Japan in the spring for business. How hard should it be to find these on the second hand market?

>>17914368
What is Lange a cope for? A cope for being a brand with actual history?

>>17914375
Why is all the emphasis on Japanese women when the Chinese are the real women?

>get china's numbah one Steeldive 1970
>go swimming
>watch gets fog and starts ticking twice as fast

I knew these were called chinese shitters for a reason... what should I get? I was thinking about some casio duro.

>>17914348
better accuracy than a pure mech but with all the downsides of a mech and not a pure quartz
your reply, sir?
>>17914386
can't any watch get fog with fast temperature changes? unless specifically treated for it
but anyway, cant you americans get duros for like 10 bux at shartmart?
they cost more in europanistan here

>>17914383
muh history is a swiss cope invented after getting annihilated by the datograph

>>17914395
the watch got fog and the movement got fucked, seconds hand was moving twice as fast, so I guess the movement got water or something.

I wish I was american, duro costs like $50 shipped from amazon which is cheaper than the local shops

Any recs for alternatives to the sbgx347? I could go as big as 36, happy with HAQ, auto or mechanical, modern and vintage are both fine but I'm not a fan of GS models that have both GS and Seiko written on them

>>17914167
More info on lion please. Why did you decide on the slga 009 instead?

>>17914386
A g shock without a doubt

>>17914401
I'd try not being brown before getting a luxury watch

>>17914409
I swar I'm white, it was the lighting

>>17914234
Which used model Rolex would you recommend for under $5000?

I feel like this watch is underrated. It has that minimal Sinn look but without being totally boring.

>>17914426
Proportions are wierd.

>>17914337
this is schizo
Mechanicals just feel better on your wrist, simple as. And they look cooler, you can see the movement which is cool.

>>17914368
so timex then

>>17914426
I dunno. Their catalogue looks kinda wild, it's a bunch of 42mm and 43mm divers and dress watches and then all of a sudden they start hitting you with 38mm divers. I don't think I saw any decent looking automatics under 40mm other than the divers.

>>17914417
Explorer or datejust imo. For me it's the explorer ii but that isn't 5k

>>17914382
You have to manually wind them yes but they have their unique to credor 7R-Something movement which has a big power reserve of at least 3 days so if you can wind it from time to time it shouldn't be a problem. It needs a lot of winding though if I have to compare it with my slga009. For the full 5 days, it needs around 200 turns. No joke. I don't do it like that though because mine is automatic. The benefits of a manual wind is the slimmer thin package and the beautiful movement decoration that Credor is known for I guess. I still prefer Automatic.
Credor is available, so far, only in Japan. It's strictly JDM only. But there are rumors that they will come oversees too but not in the near future.
Second market in Japan? Shouldn't be hard. I will be there soon. My friend told me that we will find everything at Ueno (it's in tokyo, shinjuku), it's probably the biggest grey/used market in Japan for watches. If it's not there, it's probably not available.

>>17914431
I mean it's basically the 50 fathoms

>>17914401
Get the First. Or one the GQ models, but they're not exactly the same dressy thing the sbgx is.

>>17914417
Date just. Much nicer than credors kuons

>>17913560
Based Omega drunk edition.

>>17914470
fuck off finncel

>>17914476
Suck my sweaty bawls incel lmaoooo.

this Rotary LB00654/07 was misdelivered to me 5yrs ago and has sat in a draw this whole time unused.
it's apparently an automatic movement but only has a tiny crown which doesn't pop out but does spin, however the mechanism won't move.
plan is to make sure it works to then sell it on eBay...
how the fuck do I check if it still works?

>>17914401
SACM171

>>17914403
>17914403
Sorry for the long post.
MSRP for the SLGA009 is 10000€ (ten thousand) in Germany. I found it new for 7800€ very close to where I live, had no idea that a high end boutique like that existed close to me. I went to view the sbgy009 and the white birch and decide which one to get because they were both for a long time on my radar. I just fell in love with the white birch instantly, and bought it.
That's one of the reasons. I got many more but it will be a huge post, it's about me being paranoid that I won't be able to avoid import txases, VAT and fees, which would explode the price into the deep 5 digits if I were to buy the Kuon GCLX999 for 8300€

About the Kuon itself, there is not much info available online, not even on the Japanese Interwebs. It's got a porcelaine dial, blued hands, the amazing 7R31 movement (not even close to the 7R14 in the EichiII but we get what we can), it 's got the perfect size, 39mm diameter, 46mm lug to lug and a decent 10.8mm thickness. The dial indicators/hourmarkers are hand painted with a micro brush, not unlike the Eichi II.

I am not planning to buy anything there now which means I will have a lot more money to spend with my friends and just Japan in general, BUT, if I find a once in a lifetime deal, for example an eichi II for half the market price from a desperate seller, then I won't think twice about it even though it would mean that I have to pay by card which I absolutely despise and avoid like the plague. Yeah, but I guess a smaller/cheaper credor would do just fine.

>>17914482
That's quartz..
Pop the back open and change the battery.

>>17914482
What a disgusting watch.
>how the fuck do I check if it still works?
How about taking it to someone who knows?

"Daniel Wellington is a Swedish watchmaker with a truly exceptional history, values and own style. It is a brand that perfectly combines classicism, sophistication and simplicity.
Most brands proudly bear the name of their founder, this time it's a peculiar British gentleman who inspired the creation of the brand. The Swedish founder was fascinated by British culture. Daniel Wellington watches have all these features and have sold over 6 million units to date. The success of a simple product has opened the door for Daniel Wellington to join the club of the world's most sought-after watches. Another tribute to Great Britain - all the watches in the Daniel Wellington Classic collection are named after exclusive places in the country: Bristol, Sheffield, St Mawes and so on.
All Daniel Wellington men's and women's watch straps are made of genuine leather or stainless steel, and as a tribute to the real Daniel Wellington, whose favorite was the simple NATO wristwatch, also made of polyester."
ayy

>>17914401
>>17913901
It's 37mm but don't mind that.

>>17914488
Thank you. Online seller sites say it's auto but it's too thin & lightweight
>>17914491
This is the dedicated watch expert thread of this great website - and yes the watch is utterly disgusting - rose gold with mother of pearl where the hands up a mere 50% of the watch face. Now it's known to be a quartz movement shitter too. I have no idea how you would alter the time on it either, the crown just spins. Hoping it'll be on a ladies wrist by the end of the month

For the love of god, ignore everything Poortadello says about watches, specifically Omegas, PLEASE.

>>17914359
>Buy used from Japan, lowest possible price
Buy the most broken piece of shit imaginable, yeah
>Box and papers are not important if it's an 1861.
Wrong and pathetic cope.
>Once received, send it to Omega to do a full service.
Yes, let's save $500 on the watch so we can have it serviced by Omega for $1000 (minimum) taking 3 to 6 months (minimum) while we can't even wear it.
>Wear a new 1861 and enjoy for life.
A disgusting Speedy will only look new if it is overpolished to shit, which Omega (at least in Switzerland) will never do. So, at best you get one in slightly better condition, but all the deep gouges and bangs into the case will remain. You'll have a new crystal and fewer scratches, that's about it. Damage stays damage. Unless they swap your case for another $300 because it's totally pointless to work on it.

This sure is smart buying, you spend more money on a naked watch that was someones whore instead of a well-kept full set watch in better condition than yours after service. Alternatively just set $100 bills on fire after buying a watch for the fuck of it.

No wonder you only collect shit, a brainlet like you can't deal with money or investments.

>>17914154
>polished by women
>no hairnet

>>17914500
>Hoping it'll be on a ladies wrist by the end of the month
Fuck that shit. Sell it and use the money. If it was free, it's all profit.

>>17914117
>lmao pretty much nobody does it aside from maybe AP on the Royal Oak.
Vacheron black polish the Overseas black dial watch hands, markers etc, like all of them. I know because I almost pulled the trigger on a Overseas Dual Time but backed off because prices are still inflated.

Finally went to the next level of watch after my entry level Orient diver. Although I did undershoot my budget of 500-1000 by A LOT. Couldn't resist the black Friday deal. Next watch I'll get will probably be a Santos. Or maybe a used Grand Seiko?

>>17914520
Stop buying garbage. For a few k you can get a real watch, like a wave dial Seamaster or an IWC pilots watch. Even a Heuer if you buy cheap enough.

>>17914516
>>17914482
>plan is to make sure it works to then sell it on eBay..

>>17914169
>Used is like 5K, a new one is 9-10Kish. Buy used, buy new, buy it at all?

Buy a used full set in like new or very good condition (9/10 and up). It shouldn't have any gouges or bangs. Basically the case and bracelet should have micro scratches only. Crystal doesn't matter because it gets scratched by fingernails, you can buff it out or have it swapped, they're inexpensive. Don't buy a Speedy that was someones beater. You won't be able to re-sell it because nobody buys shitty damaged watches.

>>17914520
I like the watch anon. Don't buy the semenmaster. And don't buy a Santos. My god I don't understand why people like that awful piece of shit.

>>17914531
Shit taste about sneedmaster

>>17914531
>>17914524
Well I'll definitely take my time thinking about the next more expensive one. What's so bad about the Santos? Aside from being easy to scratch?

>>17914510
Hey BitterAnon! Great to see you. What are you wearing today Fren?

I'll dispute one of your many incorrect points in detail because I think it's a misunderstanding that so many Anons get into when they first consider used watches. Here's why I suggest buying bottom-tier and then servicing.

1) New-Old-Stock 1861s still exist, but they command around 7k on the open market. Understandable, but unfortunate because the watch isn't worth that. So, Anon could just pay the price or just save a little more and get the new 3861 which is a better watch. That's why going NOS 1861 is a bad value proposition.
2) Box and papers do not aid in establishing authenticity in resale due to two things: box and papers are forged cheaper and easier than the watch itself, and the watch itself doesn't have any current copies that are believable (unlike say Panerai). Therefore, box and papers become an unnecessary addition. If you want them, no problem, but it will cost extra. The Anon requesting is looking for the cheapest option that offers the most.
3) If NOS will command 7, but the cheapest from Japan is 4, then adding 900$ (not 1000$ minimum...remember, I've done this before) brings Anon to 4900. If we round it up to 5k, it's still a savings of 2. Are box and papers worth 2k?
4) If Anon buys 'lightly used', he will have to service it regardless because EVERY used watch sold needs to be serviced as a baseline. I have only bought one watch used where the seller was accurate about the servicing (including the servicing bill, the place they serviced it at, and of course my watchmaker opening the back to confirm). All the other ones claimed that the watch was 'serviced', but they all needed servicing regardless anyway, out of my pocket. So if you buy grey and it's not brand new, ASSUME you need to service. You need to have that calculation in your price.
cont.

>>17914549
>What's so bad about the Santos?
I just find the Santos and the tank to be horrible, aesthetically speaking. A matter of taste, of course.

Well, I just ordered the casioak ga2100 without realizing it's rather small. Will it be ridiculously small in my 7.8 wrist?

>>17914510
>>17914557
cont.

5) Omega restricts their replacement parts to ADs and Omega-trained Independent watchmakers who have an Omega parts account. If you service with Omega, they replace all crowns, pushers, hands, and movement parts as part of the cost of servicing, and then external aesthetic parts like the bezel, crystal, etc. can be replaced with discussion and authorization of the customer. That will cost extra. Then they get the movement within spec, they pressure test it, and polish it back to 'like new condition'; the philosophy from Omega is that the watch should be in the condition that it could be sold instore after servicing (that stuff is within the normal cost of servicing). So, if Anon is paying 5k and getting a like-new Speedmaster 1861, he is saving at least 1k (assuming the other 1k is for box and papers). It's worth it.

As I did this with my 1861, my 2254.50, my 2599.80, and my Mark 40, I've tested this process and come out the winner every time.

The ONLY time I would not recommend this is if the watch has Tritium hands. In that case, do NOT send it to Omega, and try to buy the best example you can find as complete as you would like. Tritium Omegas get you into the territory of 'vintage' watches, whereas anything Superluminova and past is still modern enough that replacing parts does not alter the value of the watch.

The Anon who is asking about this doesn't have to follow my advice or anyone else's; my advice however is coming from direct experience over several Omegas. Quite honestly, I don't know why people don't do this more often, but I know why YTubers don't suggest it; it's something that circumvents their online businesses.

Good luck!

>>17914560
Nobody asked

>>17914560
Same, but then I love the Reverso.
I think it's the only manly watch out of all the "small" square watches.

>Welcome to Bark & Jack, I'm Jack

Was that so hard?

Picking up my freebie blue alligator strap from the Latina at my ad on Sunday. Fuck jlc 30m wr thicc figit spinner garbage

>>17914205
God forbid you learn something new.

>>17914573
>Nobody asked
He literally asked.

>>17914576
I like the reverso a bit more.

>>17914584
enjoy it while it's scratch free. still my most complimented watch, just wish there were some cheaper aftermarket straps available

>>17914584
Got to say it doesn't look so bad in that pic.

>>17914607
It looks great on you Anon. I've tried them out several times, but they don't suit me; same goes for Reversos, as much as I love them in terms of design.

Wear in good health Anon!

Hope everyone has a great day.

>>17914557
>Here's why I suggest buying bottom-tier and then servicing.
Because you're a broke fucking idiot. Stop making tl;dr posts you fucking scum.

>1) New-Old-Stock 1861s
Stop acting like you don't have a choice besides beat to shit and NOS, you fucking liar. Worse, you're a fucking coward.

>2) Box and papers do not aid
You're wrong. The 1861 is literally the most collectible Speedmaster made since the moon landing. It's the only one that came in an actual collector's edition. You would know this if you actually cared about watches, which you don't. You just want to impress people on WUS (and you failed).

>3) If NOS will command 7, but the cheapest from Japan is 4,
See my first response you fucking idiot. A like new Speedy will be around 5k today, slightly less. You blew your money on a beat up piece of shit, naked, and then had it serviced so now it's an overpolished turd. Anyone who has handled Speedys knows exactly what a polished Speedy feels like. I bet your lug edges are smooth as fuck.

>4) If Anon buys 'lightly used', he will have to service it regardless
Whoever said something like this? Lightly used means scratched. You can get a watch with only micro scratches, which we call "unworn", for 5k.

>>17914566
Shut the fuck up. I literally didn't read this post of cope at all, and I only read the first few words of your earlier "points". You're fucking wrong about literally everything you post on her and some day you will come to realize that you blew thousands on unsellable shit instead of actually building a collection of desired items for only 5% more cost than what you had to build a collection of beat up polished trash.

End yourself.

Have a safe night frens.

>>17914613
>You just want to impress people on WUS (and you failed).
That's because he couldn't relentlessly samefag there like he can here.
He made his posts, got a couple of likes, and then everyone ignored him.

The worst part is that he thinks his essays make him sound like an expert and not someone just parroting shit he read on Omegaforums.

>>17914566
>I've tested this process and come out the winner every time.
Oh yeah? How many of them did you sell with a profit, after spending 1k on the service cost for a 500 saving on buy price? How come you haven't sold any of those pieces at all? Maybe because you lose 30% of your money with what you did? You're such a fucking deluded liar.

>>17914566
Kill yourself you lonely samefagging drunk.

>>17914623
>He made his posts, got a couple of likes, and then everyone ignored him.
Would you mind linking me, I lost the history in my browser.

>>17914629
Username OmegaA. (There's nothing you can to doxx him, so it's safe to post.)

https://www.watchuseek.com/members/omegaa.1552951/

>>17914623
You seem quite obsessed with him.

>>17914632
My favorite is when the fucker invades someone else's thread.

>User: Here's an old watch I'm restoring. Let me describe the process.

>Poortadello: Cool, but let's talk about my watch, which is way more valuable than yours, instead!!

>>17914634
You're not fooling anyone, faggot.

>>17914635
lmao

>>17914634
How many hours are you going to spend hovering this thread while pretending to be asleep? Coward. Enjoy your shitty beat up turds.

NEW THREAD WHEN?

>>17914640
In 60 or so posts

>>17914621
Citizen Bro. Good night to you too. I hope I can avatarfag with you soon again.

>>17914621
Nice autism coin

>>17914632
lmao he got like 2 likes on his "collection" (of beat up old Speedys). Like, not even the Omega forums like his Omegas.

Fuck. No wonder he shits up our threads instead, the guy is at rock bottom.

>>17914576
I like the Reverso especially on that strap. Looks a lot less dressy.

I think anyone who complains about the Reverso being uncomfortable tried the wrong size Reverso. If you wear one that's too big, it will feel uncomfortable and won't sit right on the wrist.

didnt mean to start a war over the omega lol but thanks for all the replies, don't know what 1861 or any of that means so will google. The used watches are all 'very good' condition with the blurb about the moon landing on the back, I assume that is good?

Moonlanding watch is cool because the moon is cool and astronaughts are cool and wearing a watch that was worn in space is cool. What am I missing? Why are people calling it 'sneedmaster' and 'incel'? Sorry for being a newfag.

>>17914649
I think they're probably mildly interested in his watches but he is so personally obnoxious that it just turns everyone off.
Like, I'm as interested in the cal.321 as anyone, but not if I have to listen to that self-righteous prick bloviate. Then you actually read his posts and realize he's not actually saying anything of substance. He doesn't know fucking shit. Just what "his watchmaker" told him.

>>17914651
>Moonlanding watch is cool because the moon is cool and astronaughts are cool and wearing a watch that was worn in space is cool. What am I missing? Why are people calling it 'sneedmaster' and 'incel'? Sorry for being a newfag.

Sneedmaster is just a meaningless nickname. No one outside of 4chan will know it.

The "fighting" is because we have an avatarfag in the thread who wants to be the main character but also is unable to handle any banter and is very easily trolled.

The 1861 is the numerical designation of the movement. The old ones had 321 movements, the newest ones 3861.

Just go on Chrono24 or eBay, find a seller based out of Japan. Spend around 3500 USD on a Speedmaster reference 3590.50.00 or 311.30.42.30.01.005 (they're the same watch, Omega just changed their numbering system). Make sure it comes with the boxes and papers. Wear it for a year, sell it for what you paid.

>>17914639
>How many hours are you going to spend hovering this thread while pretending to be asleep?
You seem quite obsessed with many anons here.

BitterAnon is bitter.

>>17914662
Addition. Also look for the reference 3570.50.00

>>17914654
The guy just waffles and thinks he's poetic or something. Rarely have I seen someone as obnoxious as this cunt unintentionally. He's the guy who nobody wants to hang with at the party because he's such a fucking full of shit idiot and he doesn't understand why.

And it's not like this fat fuck could ever afford a 321 anyway and if he did, he would have it serviced by Omega, shiny new dial and case and all, anyway.

>>17914651
Buy the 311.30.42.30.01.005 in mint condition as full set. They are becoming collectible.

>>17914667
>>17914662
>3590.50.00
That's a vintage piece from the 80s, don't get that one.

>3570.50.00
This is nearly the same piece as the 311 reference, only the caseback changed and the bracelet was improved with screw links. The newer 311 is a bit more durable altogether though. The 3570 is still more susceptible to wearing out, for whatever reason.

However, I would advise against the 3570, despite being nearly the same watch. It didn't come in the big fuck off moonwatch case. If you want to collect watches, buy the big fucker. If you just want to test the watch, go to a store and try it on (any new one will do). If you don't like it there, you won't like it at all. The Speedy doesn't grow on you. Many people don't like how it wears at all.

>>17913927

Why are companies promoting NFT scams at the risk of harming their brand image? Are they secretly going bankrupt?

>Invicta
https://opensea.io/invictawatch
>Casio
https://gshock.casio.com/intl/virtual/virtualgshocknft-001/
>Hublot
https://www.hublot.com/en-us/news/hublot-murakami-13-unique-watches-and-nfts
>Diesel
https://www.forbes.com/sites/stephaniehirschmiller/2023/10/03/diesels-latest-watch-collection-comes-with-nft-avatars/?sh=6980fcef5bd3
>Rolex
https://finbold.com/luxury-watchmaker-rolex-enters-metaverse-with-crypto-and-nft-trademark-applications/
>Panerai
https://www.boatinternational.com/luxury-yacht-life/lifestyle/panerai-watch-nft-radiomir-eilean-experience-edition
>Jacob & Co.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonydemarco/2022/03/23/jacob--co-launches-nft-collection-of-digital-and-physical-watches-inspired-by-the-metaverse/?sh=5592c0173fb7
>Breitling
https://www.breitling.com/us-en/blockchain/
>Bulgari
https://www.bulgari.com/en-int/the-maison/about-bvlgari/bulgari-and-innovation.html

>>17914641
why are you gay?

>>17914668
like this one? https://www.chrono24.ca/omega/speedmaster-professional-31130423001005--id31598877.htm

>>17914684
Exactly.

>>17914684
Bracelet is a little too poor for me with those burn marks, but generally yes.

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>>17914677
Jesus god how retarded is all this shit.
But I'm 100% sure there are a lot of people willing to buy this. I found it horrible, utterly horrible, and fascinating.
I guess it's offer/demand. As long as there are morons willing to buy shit, there will be an offer of shit.

>>17914621
Hawdy!

>>17914726
What are you drinking today?

>>17914733
Not a thing. I'm the good citizen.

>>17914520

I have the same, it's a nice beater for travel and for when I'm skating. Mines scuffed from a few falls already.

>>17914399
how do you fix the movement now?

>>17914726
Based

>>17914301
Sperg

>>17914524
>stop buying a 400 dollar watch instead buy a 3 thousand dollar watch
Retard. Why not just buy a 20k watch if it doesn’t matter

>>17914524
my cheap garbage looks better than your Seamaster and IWC and keeps better time

>>17914520
mind you, check the servicing cost of the more expensive watches

>>17914399
unless there is water in the watch it did not necessarily get water
shit can fog up anyway
I think
anyway a duro on sale here is like sub 80 bux
maybe the chinks were not on par with rolex after all....
>>17914436
you did not refute any point tho
>Mechanicals just feel better on your wrist
that's because the movement has weight and a quartz does not weigh anything in comparision
you associate weight=good
I agree quartzes feels like toys in comparision
YOU MUST BREAK THE MENTAL CONDITIONING, ESCAPE THE TRAP
>And they look cooler
manufacturers put more effort into them compared to quartzes, I guess you go high end casio or something else
>you can see the movement which is cool.
sure, but still, no point was refuted
>>17914493
say it with me,
three. hundred. million. dollars. (in excess of)
>>17915101
>skating a mechanical and smashing steel watches on concrete
might aswell crack your skull open with this level of thinking
buy a goyshock