/fa/ - Fashion

>>17760099
The fragrance groups 101 chart.

>>17760099
The fragrance flowchart for beginners.

>>17759539
>>17760037
>>17760068
No. What I argued is that most of faux-niche/masstige companies don't have anything to do with fragrance making/creation, unlike in what they're claiming to appeal to the niche audience. These companies are just marketing companies and nothing more. To create a masstige company, you need just a bunch of marketing people. Everything else will be taken care of by external companies that will take care of that in a truly streamlined way. This stands in a stark contrast in the way that they're trying to appeal to the audience. All the photoshoots in Java's vanilla plantations or black-and-white portraits of the "creators" while thoughtfully sniffing blotters is bullshit. The only role of a masstige brand is to come up with a name for the brand, a bullshit history, find retailers, and push marketing. It's a 9-5 marketing job. You don't have to know anything about perfumes. There are companies that are going to do all the work for you.

>>17760119
>How do you feel about the fact that all of your masstige brands are just marketing companies dressing up as something else?
>Me/us/good = niche, you/others/bad = masstige
This is an indication that consuming a brand of frags and not consuming another is important to your self esteem.
This is how you know you've fallen for marketing, the fact that you don't care about the product as much as how the brand values align with your actual or ideal self.
Nobody's disagreeing with the fact that masstige and """real niche""" brands produce their products differently.

>>17760100
There is a big difference in falling for Andy Tauer's posts where he goes in nerdy details about Jasmine batch differences because of holding a genuine craftsman's interest in what he's doing and pic related who just pays for a photoshoot and in reality probably can't tell a difference between rose and geranium and is just a good marketer

>>17760128
>This is an indication that consuming a brand of frags and not consuming another is important to your self esteem.
That's true to some extent but you're trying to be edgy too hard. It's more about supporting actual craftsmen who care about their craft on one hand and paying for quality and ingredients and not mostly marketing on the other. Obviously, ingredients don't make the scent alone, but sure as fuck marketing doesn't either. It's about choosing where your $$$ go to: ingredients and some craftsmen or marketing budget of a bunch of MBAs who don't care about fragrances at all.
>This is how you know you've fallen for marketing, the fact that you don't care about the product as much as how the brand values align with your actual or ideal self.
That's just your projection.
>Nobody's disagreeing with the fact that masstige and """real niche""" brands produce their products differently.
It's hard to argue that masstige brands are producing anything. Maybe marketing leads. At the same time, they're holding on for their dear lives to the illusion that it's not the case, lying to the audience.

>>17760112
based room temperature IQ take

shopping at hermes’ faubourg store today, taking home a bottle of equipage but i can’t decide if i really want a bottle of H24. help me bros.

>>17760150
When in doubt, never buy.

>>17760166
well this is the 3rd or 4th time i’ve returned to it, but something about it gives me pause every time. i think it’s the lack of occasion.

>>17760174
Get Bois Imperial instead of H24. These two are functionally equivalent.

>>17760183
they smell nothing alike

>>17760183
LOL yeah no

What are some very contemporary very new types of fragrances going into 2024?

I'm curious for both cutting edge aroma chemicals, and also new or even experimental things being done in terms of changing trends. Any ideas?

>>17759998
>even the fragrance apprentice

Jfc, raise your standards mate. He's just some speccy twat that makes Dr who fanfiction movies

>>17760195
Using onions instead of civet.

>>17760119
>>17760128
>>17760134
>masstige
>masstige
>masstige
Are you guys Indian MBA alumni? Good luck asking a sales assistant in Macy's for a masstige cologne.

Why do people in this thread hate the idea of young heterosexual men succeeding with females so much? Most people are not interested in artistry in fragrances and just want them to help with odds of finding a mate to form a long-lasting and happy relationship with.

From all the samples in the OP, wich one would you recommend buying? I'm not willing to spend a ton of money on fragrances, I'm not really a huge fan.
I want something that'll smell well enough for me to actually remember to put it on every morning.
And the second criteria is straight up something that'll attract bitches.
But like I said, never been a fan of fragrances, whenever in generic stores, they all smell the same + they make me sneeze.
I'd like to settle with something that's around 100-150€ the bottle. Can be higher, can be lower.

>>17760207
>something that'll attract bitches
>>17760206
Get Bois Imperial and don't come to this thread again.

>>17760206
Dihydromercenary on Fragrantica is the original Bois Imperial shill.

>>17760206
Then why shit up the thread about the artistry of perfume when there are plenty of more amenable resources for you? Maybe the comment section of an Andrew Tate Instagram post might be more your speed.

>>17760207
Buy Bleu De Chanel and then never post in this thread again, please and thank you.

>>17760205
They don't have Tom Ford at Macy's? What are you talking about, you buffoon?

>>17760150
Everybody in fragcom hates H24. More than DH 2020/DHS 2021 even. It's like an iphone of fougeres: no keyboard, memory slots, stylus, usb, aux. Minimalistic and conterporary. Girls like it. I have EDT and EDP (for winters).

>>17760216
Imagine considering oneself a member of the "fragcom". I would immediately die of shame.

>>17760217
this, lmao

>>17760209
I meant it in a ironic way but yeah something that's "known" for that. I know for a fact that some type of smell tend to be liked by female more than others.
>>17760213
> Bleu de Chanel
Bruh, even if I'm an ignorant ass asking to be spoonfed, you should be ashamed for recommending that in a fragrance thread. Please leave and never come back again. But for real, I said that I hate all the generic stuff you can find in stores. I don't know if it's my nose but they kind of all smell the same. And the different ones are too strong or straight up disgusting.

>>17760214
>an indian mba alumnus is angry
Go there and ask for a masstige counter than, you clown.

>>17760206
I looked up profiles of some of those people and some of them are vintagefags, some are nichefags and there is even a hardcore Kourosfag there. A well-balanced and knowledgeable cohort of fragfags that can appreciate Bois Imperial. However, people are throwing tantrums every time it's mentioned in this thread. Why is it so?

>>17760217
Do you love H24, DH 2020 and DHS 2021?

>>17760221
Jest get Bois Imperial and leave.

>>17760227
I'l lcheck it. Seen a thread about something called Aventus/Creed. Would you recommend it?

>>17760216
it’s one thing to be a perfume snob (justifiably so sometimes), it’s another to be one and an embarrassment about it. talking about the “fragcom” as if it were a hivemind places you squarely in the latter.
anyways, i didn’t walk out with H24, but if i do manage to get my mom a bag appointment there in the next week i will probably take it as a sign to buy a bottle of the EDT.

>>17760231
No. Not any more.
>Bois Imperial is my new signature scent for a few months now. Fell in love with how unusual, light yet enormous this fragrance is. Sillage? Through the roof. Longevity? Easily 8+ hours. Projection? Everyone will notice you. The last time I had this many compliments was Creed Aventus circa 2010-2013. I literally get 1-2 compliments every single time I wear this. It fills up a rook without choking you out

>>17760119
You might not like this, but vintage Guerlain fragrances are the best independent frags that the world has ever seen.

>>17760223
There isn't a "fast fashion" section either but it describes at least part of their clothing, are you being dense on purpose?

>>17760221
So your main interest is in attracting women, but at the same time you don't want something proven by it's ubiquity to be pleasing to a wide range of people? And you have a baby's nose that sneezes when it smells perfume? Tom of Finland by ELDO might speak more to your "persuasion".

>>17760226
Not especially.

>>17760231
Its crude. You'll love it.

>>17760206
>"Perfect vetiver scent"

Doesn't smell like vetiver at all

what is the most /fa/ accord list?

>>17760240
>pic related
must smell like my grandpa's ass.

>>17760234
Ok bro, you convinced me, damn that greentext was effective
>>17760236
I'll check it too thanks.
> Checked it before posting
Yeah no, no way in hell I'm making that packaging enter my house.

>>17760240

>>17760234
why are fragbros so fucking embarrassing

>>17760239
Noselets shouldn't be allowed to post in this thread. Bois Imperial is actually the pinnacle of vetiver fragrances as a genre. The logical conclusion of all predecessors like Encre Noire or Guerlain Vetiver, but those look pale and like routine exercises when compared to BI. You should feel lucky that you live in the right time to buy a bottle of it, as some people will understand the genius of BI only after it's going to be discontinued and going for $500+ on eBay. I am actually thinking of buying a few dozen old batches of BI just to flip it in 5 years like smoky batches of Aventus.

>>17760256
you know nobody believes this for a second right

>>17760261
In which part? That Bois Imperial is a much better, more competent vetiver scent than Guerlain Vetiver? It's self-evident. And I have already observed some BI batch-panic in groups.

>>17760253
Based Antaeus enjoyer.

>>17760265
roflmao, sure thing buddy

>>17759575
>>17759577
>>17759578
>/frag/ rediscovering the artisan/indie vs. masstige distinction

>>17760248
i love how you're so wrong its funny, this is bottega veneta edp, it smells like a plush suede leather with violet

>>17760279
>DI SER
It's my third day of wearing their frags. Today I'm wearing Izayoi that is definitely the best of the lot, but not sure if $230/30ml good. The aromatic-spicy + Yuzu opening is great, though. If someone wants some Japan-inspired scent palette fragrances, then sure go for it.

>>17760183
this is turning from ridiculous shilling to ridiculous trolling

>>17760280
Almost as if fragrantica charts meant nothing.

>>17760282
It's kind of like a high quality version of Tom Ford Oud Wood with a citric-floral facet to it added.

at caron’s rue francois boutique. yatagan, 3e homme and pour un homme are all terrific. tabac blond is interesting, it’s apparently been reformulated as of 2 years ago, but i have no idea if what i’m smelling is in any way like the original. it certainly smells much more like knize ten than whatever version was in turin’s 2008 guide, but whether it’s faithful to beaux’s creation i have no clue.

>>17760293
*daltroff, not beaux. wrong perfumer named ernest.

>>17760293
No one cares about your blogposts

Tom Ford Beau De Jour Eau is a ripoff of Heritage/Zino Davidoff

>>17760221
>you should be ashamed of recommending a good, enormously popular crowd pleasing fragrance to a normie looking for an enormously popular crowd pleasing fragrance
stop trying so hard anon, it's not by being a stupid fucking idiot that you'll fit in

>>17760295
try discussing perfume anytime

>>17760234
Have you tried Ganymede? How’s BI compare? Ganymede is one of my favorite sea scents and it doesn’t even try to be one. I suppose it is the mineral note. This is coming from someone that spends hours in or around the ocean for his entire life.
Sotd Guerlain habit rouge leau. For those that like the idea of habit rouge but prefer modern linear scents this one is for you. Orange, jasmin, woods I what I get. It loses the lemon, rose, and leather from the original.

>>17760221
recommending you BdC makes sense though. if you want to "just smell good and attractive", that's the go-to
if you want to be not generic about it, that's harder though. could try Dior Homme Sport or yes, Bois Imperial. but don't blind buy it, not everyone loves it. maybe This is Him as a winter option

>>17760299
habit rouge with no carnation or rose is no habit rouge

>>17760299
Is it also smelling like a kitchen cleaning product like Habit Rouge EDP and EDT?

>>17760253
>tfw I knew it was Antaeus by the accords

>>17760279
This is some mind virus stuff. At first, I didn't give a fuck about masstige and just enjoyed my bottles, now I feel uneasy looking at my Layton and Naxos bottles and feeling psyoped to sell them. Fuck you all.

>>17760256
I have it and it doesn't smell like vetiver. And I have vetiver extraordinaire, encre noire, and other vetiver centered fragrances .

And I love Bois imperial but let's not get retarded here

>>17760129
>there's a big difference in falling for marketing if it's directed towards me vs. another group
There is not, by your logic if Tauer had put together and sold Layton it would be preferable to AdDM because it's from Tauer instead of PDM and vice versa, so by your logic the end result is wholly unimportant, just the brand is.
>>17760134
>niche brands don't rely on marketing
>niche brands have much, much smaller margins than designer brands
You've fallen for marketing.
>that's your projection
This is marketing 101.
>it's hard to argue that masstige brands are producing anything
Do you think anyone would have put together and sold Aventus if not for Creed?

>>17760293
I'm jealous, I'd love to go. Were the three classics on display or did you have to ask to smell them?

>>17760236
Everyone knows what fast fashion is, any sale assistant will show you the way, there is no need for a definition from an authority. However, the masstige perfume brands - is the indian mba secret language. Nobody but them thinks that they know what they are talking about. There're niche and designers. "Something something masstige" talk irrelevant for understanding how the fragrance industry works, where to buy them, how much should it cost,
>don't like H24 DH 2020 DHS 2021
There you go. As I said, everybody in fragcom hates them.

>>17760309
No, other houses would have had more sense.

>>17760314
Go to Macy's and ask for the fast fashion then, and see how far it gets you.

Masstige is a fine descriptor and your autistic meltdown does nothing to change this.

>>17760293
I have

>vintage and modern Yatagan, and there is almost no difference
>I've tried vintage and modern PuH, and there is a bigger difference there, vintage is more dirty/musky
>I only have vintage 3rd Man, but I doubt the modern is that much different.

>>17760314
>Nobody but them thinks that they know what they are talking about
https://takeonethingoff.com/blog/2018/06/29/the-business-of-perfume-artisan-as-the-new-niche/
>When it comes to fragrance, traditional classifications of niche and designer are beginning to lose their meaning. Economists might divvy up the fragrance pie into two big slices called “prestige” and “mass”, but we all know that Tom Ford (prestige) has more in common with Dior (mass) than it does with Hiram Green (prestige). In reality, the perfume segment really ought to be divided up into Masstige (high-spec commercial fragrances, whether niche or mainstream) and Artisan/Indie (independent, artisanal, non-commercial in nature).
It's literally a term used by economists and just adapted for perfume discourse as it fits perfectly.

What's the skibidi toilet of fragrances?

>>17760309
Tauer would not put together a clone of Boss Bottled to start with. I don't even have to read the rest of your post if you're wrong in the first sentence already.

>>17760314
>indian mba secret language
Masstige is portmanteau for mass prestige, that is, something that the masses can afford that has an aura of prestige regardless, and it's used here to refer to fragrances designed and produced employing large scale industrial processes that are marketed as being artisanal, small scale, niche and whatnot.
So now you too know, and I'm glad that I could help a newfriend out.

>>17760284
why are you moving the goalposts now? i mean, this is a leather fragrance, why would it say otherwise. you can have this accord lineup and have a completely different fragrance, than an oldschool heavy old people scent.

>>17760307
Good.

>>17760297
>>17760302
If it's the one with Alain Delon as the model, I know I won't like it.

>>17760325
>>17760320
BTFO'd kek

>>17760321
Some vintage Guerlain or Caron

>>17760328
Oh suddenly Mr "too good to have an opinion on perfume" turns out to have exacting standards. You're a real piece of work you know that?

>>17760331
Explain yourself immediately

>>17760311
they were all on display and then some. i also smelled narcisse noir before leaving; no different from the safe floral jasmine mentioned in turin’s guide. tabac blond greatly interests me but the price is frankly eye watering. i walked out with the 3 classic masculines and nothing else.

>>17760332
Kek, I'm just saying it's one of the "generic" brand stuff I smelt in a store once or twice.
> Mr "too good to have an opinion on perfume"
I never made my ignorance a good thing. I'm just not passionate about the subject.

>>17760336
Wow that's great, I must get myself to Paris as some point.

>>17760335
I have seen a foto of the faggy brown teenager who is shilling for these epic vintage brands in these threads.

>>17760279
worst frag "infographic" ever created

>>17760340
A broken clock...

>>17760337
Speaking from experience a passion for perfume is more like a curse. It's a real challenge being so sophisticated, one few can endure.

>>17760303
I agree, the flanker could’ve been its own frag and nobody would’ve been upset about it. It probably would’ve been better received too.
>>17760304
Which cleaning product are you talking about? I need that.
>>17760293
Based Caron enjoyer
>>17760317
Agree with big difference between modern and vintage pour un homme. But both are good. Vintage has an higher quality lavender and vanilla note. Also big difference between vintage and modern le3 where vintage has the heavy oakmoss note and modern lacks that. Maybe they fixed it in newer bottles though.

as of now, tabac blond smells awfully close to knize ten, but more bitter and less strawberry and with similarly nuclear sillage (i can smell it from the testing strip in my coat pocket). if it wasn’t fucking 245 euros for a 100ml EDP i would have been willing to go for it, but as is, caron need to rethink their pricing strategy.

Do you guys use or collect solid colognes/perfumes?

>>17760207
Go to the shop and try everything. Every time you come across something you like, ask what notes are in it and look out for more of perfumes with them. Repeat several times for best results. Then go home and order decants of things you liked

and for anyone interested in how the caron boutique looks, here are the famous taps that you can use to fill your own bottles with perfume

>>17760279
Just support your local businesses if you can, and enjoy whatever mass produced toilet water if you can

>>17760356
I have amber musk jamid. It's nice, smells a bit like grape soda.

>>17760362
the wall opposite to this one was the one with all the masculines, including one bottle of pour un homme that must have been a full liter. as one can see though, the caron feminine/private collection has more fragrances than anyone even actually knows about.

Why does pretty much everything with guaiac wood in it smell incredible

>>17760362
hmmm

>>17760337
Go to the store and try Dior Homme Sport. If you don't like it, it's Bois Imperial time.
How do you feel about sweeter, heavier more cold weatherish scents?

>>17760282
how is it compared to prins yuzu? whatever that one was called
di ser always looked interesting but its in a price range where i straight up have no desire to try it
>>17760299
only the first few minutes differ between BI and gany
>>17760362
where is that store? paris? need me some draft yatagan

is dior homme original as good as the reviewers say or is it too gay

guerlain’s champs elysee store is possibly the most beautiful building on the entire street. a blast from the belle epoque, absolutely wonderful.
>>17760384
the paris flagship, yes

I buy perfumes I enjoy the smell of, it is completely inconsequential to me what the company structure is

I’m a fully grown adult, it makes no difference to me if a perfume costs 50 euros or 250. It’s not like I’m autistically buying 10 bottles a month

Debating the merits of different organisational structures of perfume companies is super fucking gay and writing this post is the gayest thing Ive done in August

>>17760377
man this pic takes me back

>>17760418
This would be a cogent point if the structure and practices of the company making perfume was unrelated to the quality of the resulting perfumery. But they are, and thus your point is retarded. Goodbye.

>>17760418
based
for me, it’s clone houses

>>17760423
p a t r i c i a n

lmao at your priorities

this guy wants to be an authority on fucking perfumes

>>17760418
>BIG CORPS GOOD I JUST WANT TO CONSOOOOOOME

>>17760435
I am what I am, desire plays no part.

best oud frag that gets the most compliments?

>>17760443
Maybe instead of buying fragrance, why don't you try doing something praiseworthy first if you are so concerned with compliments.

>>17760447
buying nice fragrance that attracts compliments is clearly doing something praiseworthy

>>17760418
Embarrassing and v gay

I just buy bottles that look cool and have a good fragrance description. And maybe something a youtuber recommended. Anything else is quite faggoty.

>>17760393
it's sweet powdery

>>17760451
That's the right attitude.

Tabac Grande by Sultan Pasha.

>>17759771
The only guy who knows shit from that list is Persolaise and Wafts. But it seems that Wafts stopped giving a crap. They just dully produce videos every now and then when Areej Le Dore releases a new collection or Arts and Olfaction Awards is coming. It was fun to observe their way from mainstream->masstige->niche->vintage->artisan/indie->deep niche like ALD. It just seems that there's not much more depth to explore in fragrances as an art form, so I understand that they got burned out.

>>17760150
I haven't been here long enough to get permanent brain damage, and I think it's excellent. The EdT is crystalline fresh, while the EdP is heavier and green/earthy. Both are very close so you likely need one not both. I would recommend the EdT

>>17760195
Yak's piss panty dropper concentrate.

>>17760199
Onion-bros. 2024 is going to be our year.

Just getting into fragrance.

How is pic related for dupes? I'm obsessed with Blazing Mister Sam but don't want to spend hundreds of dollars.
Are dupes trustworthy? Are they quality?

>>17760195
I have observed a few things in recent years
>people are moving away from "blue" ambroxan scents, it's even starting to be considered tacky among more cultured normies to wear Sauvage
>designer houses are dipping their toes in a modern "green" DNA: see H24
>a new wave of synthetics like Akigalawood is taking the market by storm
>oud-craze is probably at peak-euphoria, even supermarket cleaning products and car air-refreshers have now "oud" in it
>niche in its current exploited big-corp dominated form must be destroyed

>>17760484
Just spend the money

You’ll have the bottle for years, just buy the fuckin thing

>>17760492
My brother in Christ I need to pay rent

>>17760393
it's good, but the parfum is better. but don't blind buy it unless you love iris. at least smell the Intense version first

>>17760484
>Are dupes trustworthy?
No.
>Are they quality?
No.
Just save up money or get into genuine cheapies not clones.

>>17760494
Get a decant of the one you love until you’ve saved up

You’re worth more than a pale imitation homie

>>17760465
Based.

SOTD: Oud Douce Amere by Sultan Pasha.

>>17760490
good post. Sauvage and BdC are the subject of instagram memes already, a shift is starting
I wonder if "molecular green" will become the new big thing. We've seen Dior and Hermes go for it, but I don't know what the sales numbers are and other brands aren't really jumping on the bandwagon
timur pepper seems like a trendy note too. maybe the 2020s will be the decade of the synthetic jungle

>>17760500
>>17760498
>>17760492
How are rebottler sites? Scentsplit has 5ml for only 30 bucks, which should hold me over for a good while
Are THEY trustworthy?

>>17760240

>>17760512
What is this, I am interested

the champs-elysee guerlain boutique is nothing short of heavenly. they have samples of perfume impossible to find elsewhere: mouchoir de monsieur, extrait versions of jicky, shalimar, mitsouko (!!!) l’heure bleue (!!!) and vol de nuit. absolutely sublime.

>>17760515
Comme des Garcons 2011 Comme des Garcons
not avaliable anywhere

>>17760512
its funny because this is exactly what the people here would convince themselves is good

>>17760520
>>17760512
glad I have a sample just to know what it smells like lmao
yes, the notes are on point, it has a sharp aldehydic opening very reminiscent of glue or permanent markers. this slowly dies down into an odd but not unpleasant floral scent with a vague gluey gloopiness (no idea what's responsible for that). something about it mildly reminds me of Estee Lauder's White Linen at some point, a similar aldehydic cleanliness
definitely one of the most out there scents from CDG

>>17760525
It was avant garde and beautiful you philistine

>>17760279
TFW I'm going to enjoy my "big corp" fragrances and there's nothing online autists can do about it

>>17760525
it does what it's supposed to do. if you buy a perfume that plainly states it will smell like glue, expecting something else, you're a retard.
I have no idea who'd need a full bottle of this though

>>17760528
that one would be a real hit on reddit

>>17760533
Don't speak of that which you don't know. The fragrance boards on Reddit are full of people content with slopping about in the masstige mud. A lot like yourself I'm guessing, perhaps you should go back there.

>>17760538
I’m referring to the way you talk to people. You would get lots of upvotes. You sound really cool and intelligent.

guerlain has a re-release of derby exclusively in paris. fucking DERBY is back, goodness gracious.

>>17760542
Someone's got to maintain the standards in these threads, or we'd all be consigned to discussing the relative merits of creed Aventus vs it's various clones and which ones are better for getting compliments, forever.

>>17760547
price?

>>17760552
394 euros for a 125ml bee bottle. eye watering, but it’s fucking derby for god’s sake. i’m stupid enough to spring for it.

>>17760547

>>17760550
Truly you are the hero 4chan deserves. Lest we all become savages. Godspeed! (yes that is just a metaphor… “God” is for the masstige cretin)

>>17760553
why only in Paris? ;_;

>>17760561
They don't want the luxury being diluted by letting just anyone wear it.

>>17760561
so they can sell it on ebay for even higher markup

>>17760562
jesus, that’s a bit embarrassing when you say it out loud, isn’t it

I’m definitely a wasteful spender to some degree (I have probably 10k in perfumes and 50k in watches) but when somebody articulates how these companies attempt to stimulate your animal brain it’s hard not to feel shame

>>17760516
>mouchoir de monsieur, extrait versions of jicky, shalimar, mitsouko (!!!) l’heure bleue
Literally all are available in my local Lafayette

>>17760571
I don't know if that's really the reason but for sure all luxury brands pull tricks like this.

>>17760575
The extrait's?

>>17760240
It just werks

>>17760575
i can assure you that your local lafayette does not carry mouchoir, nor does it carry any of those extraits save perhaps shalimar.

>>17760585
I'm going to puke...

>>17760598
Well I'm going to cum, so now what genius?

>>17760584
>>17760592
It does, and I live in fucking Auvergne. MdM can be found on airports around the country as well. I understand that your American brain must be really blown away after visiting a proper fragrance boutique, but that's nothing to brag about in Europe. Now that you're in Paris:
1. Go away as soon as possible.
2. Visit The Osmothèque.

>>17760603
Well listen we can't all live for free in some banlieue somewhere.

>>17760598
To be honest, on my skin, I seem to get more of the spice and lavender than the cherry or vanilla before the woods come in. So this accord ranking never quite sat with me

>>17760603
post pictures of the mitsouko extrait over there then, because guerlain assured me that they don’t carry any of these extraits outside of france.

>>17760610
Auvergne is a region in France.

>>17760615
cool, in any case my bottles of mouchoir and derby are in those silly overpriced exclusive engraved bee bottles, so i have my little bit of fuck-you-got-mine LVMH luxury for the day.

>>17760603
Nicest frog in this thread.

>>17760606
Ok now I need to know what it is.

Pls recs for cheap unisex autumn (maybe winter) perfume, thanks

>>17760640
Spicebomb is an easy crowd pleaser. I personally don't rate it but people seem to like it.

>>17760640

Tempo

Me and my girlfriend both love it

>>17760638
L'homme Ideal EDP, Guerlain
Sweet, spicy and smoky richness in a puff

Why can't I find anything that scratches that itch like Gucci Envy did bros?

The Bianchi's ive tried so far haven't impressed me too much but Ill probably still try Etruscan water and the dark side. Under my Skin is just this intense blast of cinnamon and other spices with a melange of iris and slightly sour woods. People were saying its animalic, but I dont get that at all and I'm really sensitive to animalic notes. Sticky Fingers is just another patchouli fragrances. A very neutral patchouli. Totally unremarkable to me, Patchouli is so dominant that it takes over a whole fragrance. Sex and the Sea Neroli I haven't tried yet, but from the atomizer it smells like some bath and body works shit. I dont hate any of these though.

>>17760490
Good post. I love green so much ch

How does this actually smell like? Can't sample it anywhere. From the notes I can imagine something, but I also learned that the typical reviews cannot be trusted because every fragrance is described as either the best thing ever, the best thing ever including vivid imagery, or utter dogshit/synthetic crap in case of newer fragrances.
Trusted these written reviews too much and learned my lesson. I'd also rule out 10ml minis on eBay, because I get a feeling that those were in the sun for 20+ years and smell different from a bottle that was in it's box for storage.

>>17760640
London to Mumbai by IDEO can be found for €60 and smells like a brother of Nicolai Patchouli Intense. Geo F Trumpers Sandalwood fills the same niche. If you don’t want to buy it blindly the see if you like Chanel Egoiste. It’s a similar but more fougerey DNA.
>>17760648
Give them some time. They’re quite complex and take time to appreciate fully. Now Etruscan Water is one of my favorite scents (together with The Black Knight and Lovers Tale).

>>17760656
Pine, sour aromatic herbs, leathery, woody and sort of like a recently extinguished cigar. It is not even remotely sweet.

I enjoy it a lot. It is however very different from anything else on the market save for maybe yatagan. It's quite cheap and the bottle is excellent so I'd recommend it.

>>17760656
Don't bother. We used to have an obnoxious shill for Quorums and Puigs here last year. He was way worse than the BI shill. Eventually, I have ordered all the Quorums, Puigs and Bogarts he was shilling just to post reviews here and almost all of them were quite outdated synthetic mess. You'll see lots of praise of them because of
>boomers who were wearing them and have good memories (and most liekly before the formulas were cheapened)
>insecure poorfags who are just coping and must convince everyone around that they struck gold because they need validation for their choices
That's the same mechanism as with cheap Arab clones shilling. You read essays about them being the best thing ever that surpasses the OG frags they are supposed to clone, and then you order them and it turns out they're shit. You won't resell some cheap Arab clone so you are stuck with them, and if you don't really have money, you start convincing others that it's a great fragrance. However, the Quorum from your pic related is the best out of the lot of 10 or so I ordered. Nothing that I would wear as I much prefer Yatagan when it comes to piney vintage frags, but much better than all the other shit that was shilled here.

>>17760644
lithuanian detected

>>17760647
Have you even tried it, or are just terminally online and read too much hype reviews of discontinued frags?

>>17760675
>You shouldn't buy quorum because I had an asinine fued with an imageboard poster

>>17760684
You do you. Don't get me wrong but it really gets shilled online too much for what it is. If one wants an oldschool smelling fragrance that is woody-aromatic then go for it. I just want to let people know that most of those fragrances are not some hidden gems but stuff you'd find on a -90% sale on a gas station in a middle of nowhere or cleaning up a bathroom of your car salesman father.

Would I like other Tauer frags if I dont like LADDM at all? Its way to dusty for my taste

>>17760183
I will be buying neither of those sterile shitfrags

>>17760689
The guy you're replying to is not me, but whatever. I'm considering it then, because Yatagan is also up my alley.

>>17760696
Then you actually might end up liking Quorum. But for the love of God, please be over 30 and somewhat masculine.

>>17760698
I am, don't worry.

Can anyone recommend me the best summer artisan(?) frags? I'm looking at Nicolai right now. Cap neroli is too floral and sharp for me.

>>17760253
>>17760512
>>17760585
>tfw I recognize all three of these
damn, I didn't know my brain remembered fragrantica accords so well

>>17760729
is fragrantica really interesting enough to spend that much time on?

>>17760734
Like you're doing anything better with your time.

>>17760307
LMFAO. I'd honestly buy designers like bdc or dhi but id never buy the fake masstige niche frags like pdm. The disconnect between the representation of the brands and what they actually are is just embarrassing

>>17760585
some guerlain whatever that newer faggy Thierry wasser nut line is?

>>17760657
anything Etruscan water reminds you of?

>>17760751
it helps that the top designers are better than a lot of the pseudo-niche stuff anyway

Lost my sense of smell due to COVID or something similar.

In any case, any tips to recover it? Or it's a matter of just waiting

>>17760750
i’m at the guerlain and caron boutiques in paris dropping 4 figures in one day on perfume. wbu?

>>17760772
Fill a netti pot with bois imperial

>>17760778
I'm cranking off to the pictures you posted imagining dropping four figgies in a day.

>>17760370
>the caron feminine/private collection has more fragrances than anyone even actually knows about
Perfumes is a feminine hobby, so that's not a surprise.

What is a niche alternative to this?

>>17760808
i didn’t post any pictures of the marvelous guerlain boutique, too bad for you :^)

What is a niche alternative to Chergui?

is there a clone for this?
my bottle is almost empty and i am not sure if i should rebuy it.

>>17760833
it's
MDCI Paris - bleu satin

>>17760829
isn't Chergui the fragrance that started this whole genre of sweet modern tobacco scents? you might as well get the original if you enjoy it

>>17760833
so you liked it enough that you want a clone? Sounds like you should buy it again. There is always something off about the clones, it won't satisfy your itch

How can you have a signature scent and a collection at the same time, while actually wearing all of the fragrances?

>>17760668
>>17760689
is it notably different from aramis? more woody I guess?

Yeah, sex and the sea neroli smells cheap. I'll let it dry more, but I dont understand this

>>17760865
signature scents are for people who lack imagination and fancy, like someone who wears the same clothes every single day

>>17760692
possible
ACDD is similar to it but without its "dustyness"
LADAS (fresh pine/fir) and Sundowner (spicy orange liquor) are different scent profiles imo
Lonestar Memories is again something different (cowboy birth tar?) but i only tested that once

>>17760692
sure, I don't think Tauer has a DNA in the sense of Bianchi, consider ACDD vs PHI for example

>>17760892
that's not 100% true as many Tauer frags share a similar tonka-amber base
there are exceptions ofc but his better blends also hide it well

>>17760865
I have a favorite scent that I wear to every party, date or other social event, if the weather allows. I think that's as close to a signature as I will ever get. But I also have other fragrances that I use for work, hot weather and just whenever I feel like it.
I can't imagine limiting it all down to one, I would get bored.

>>17760877
yeah fuck this smells like bug spray. under my skin is cool though but not for me. sticky fingers also okay but just patchouli

>>17760885
really? I never tried acdd because I dont like laddm. I was thinking sundowner and lonestar. That sundowner description sounds nice. I also thought about LADAS but I hate pine.

>>17760875
Very different from aramis. Aramis is far less sour and strong. Aramis is more refined and understated, while quorum is pretty intense and demands attention (at least immediately after you spray it, it definitely calms down).

They are fundamentally different types of perfumes, aramis is definitely a leather/woody chypre while quorum is a green aromatic in the vein of polo green or Yatagan.

>>17760923
the dusty, dry spicy part is missing from ACDD (at least for me, we might be talking about different kinds of dusty)
i think you should test it along with Sundowner and Lonestar Memories
worst case: you wasted a few bucks on the sample of a masterpiece you happen to dislike

>>17760938
worst case I like one and want to spend 175 of 50ml

>>17760932
nice, thanks

>>17760940
>best case
ftfy

I want to eventually blind buy this before winter. Would it be a good Christmas scent? Anyone sniff?

today’s perfume shopping haul. not shown: a fuck ton of free skincare products from guerlain that i’m giving to my mom.

i think i might be tapped out for perfume shopping for this trip. i’ll be sampling lots of niche stuff from nicolai, tauer, parfum d’empire etc. but i doubt i will make any purchases unless i am intensely moved.

>>17760978
>buying PUH, Le 3'Homme and some other readily available online fragrances at boutique prices
You're truly a special kind of retard. I thought that you're going to buy some nice limited edition bee bottle Guerlain that is not available anywhere else but instead you bought 10 bottles that you can get at every discounter website for 1/10 of what you paid. Holy fuck.

>>17760978
Do you mind sharing the receipts?

>>17760990
those 2 big white boxes are guerlain bee bottles, and i’m getting VAT refunds for all the others so i don’t care.
>>17760994
expensive

>>17760997
So what exactly did you buy?

>>17760999
mouchoir de monsieur and derby

What do I think of Lush - Breath of God?

>>17761004
It's great but unwearable. I'm facing the same conondrum. Sometimes I think of how it smells and then want to spray it but I just put it on the back of my hand and that's it.

>>17761011
Accurate take

I tried it in store and immediately purchased a few months but I haven’t reached for it much

>>17761004
you like the idea of it

Opinions on this?

>>17761002
Kek, and this anon is an Indian twink.

>>17760978
Based Guerlain and Caron enjoyer. How much were the bottles of MdM and derby? Were they on display or did you have tk ask them for it? I thought they were both discontinued?
>>17761002

picrel has been my edc rotation that I've been gravitating around. pls rate

>>17761103
good for a designer if you like lavender

>>17761125
i personally dislike majority of your collection (i think fm and tf vetivers are inferior to chanel exclusif), but great that you've found your taste. as for philosykos: i did not like the fig at all there, anthoine lie recently did a cool new fig for carl kling under clary fig, take a look

throw some rose in and get an aromatic fougere

>>17761168
>aromatic fougere
ah apologize, missed the rive gauche. would still add some rose based fragrance there, e.g., poal or rose de jamal

>>17761168
>throw some rose in and get an aromatic fougere
thanks for the feedback. I have about 50 more frags, those are just the ones I like to edc.

>>17760507
yes scentsplit is a good decanter

>>17761168
How’s the Chanel vetiver called? Does it compare to the king of vetivers?
>>17761125
Garbage collection.

>>17760853
its about testing the clone and afterwards making an educated decision

masculine fragrance with a strong detectable coffee note?

>>17>>17761188
>How’s the Chanel vetiver called?
if you need to ask this, lurk more

>>17761204
>masculine fragrance with a strong detectable coffee note?
define "masculine" here, there are a few frags from the early 2000s where this was a common theme in the traditional masculine sense (e.g., givenchy play). nowadays every coffee fragrance is purely a gourmand frag, but see kerosene follow, akro bake and the new nicolai

>>17761204
La Tacita de Café or Animal Cafe by Extra Virgo

>>17760865
Collection is made up of small samples or decants, enjoyed seldomly
The signature is the one you like enough or can afford to buy a large bottle for daily use
Or at least, that's how it is for me

I'm tired of my dolce gabbana light blue and YSL La Nuit. I like them both a lot, just want something new.

Any suggestions for a summer frag that's not too popular?

>>17761318
Try a classic edc like guerlain imperiale

>sold my bottle of bois impeepee
>bought a decant of Aventus

What are some lilac based frags that are not completely feminine leaning?

what frags smell like pussy?
what frags smell like balls?

>>17760240

>>17761120
derby was silly expensive, mouchoir less so. as for discontinuation, it appears that mouchoir is still alive and well, but only in france. derby on the other hand was just recently reintroduced to the paris flagship as a bee bottle exclusive. no other way to get it other than coughing up stupid amounts of dough and being at champs elysee, and worse still is that guerlain apparently has no plans to rerelease it as a square bottle.

>>17760316
>masstige is a fine descriptor
It is not. For instance, why Dyptique is a masstige brand under that >>17760279 ? Because of its shareholder structure? What if Albert Camus' grandson takeovers it? What if Frederic Malle pulls out the buyback? How on Earth the ownership of shares of a brand changes its niche/non-niche status, are you ok in there?

>>17760320
>expert says
Don't you try to pull that card on me. And you only have one source from a nobody (probably an indian mba enjoyer) you're just parroting.

>>17760325
>masstige is everything I don't like
Everything is a masstige brand then apart from indi/artisanal lol? You already have descriptors for artisanal/indi, designer and niche. Why made up a new one? Because you do not understand what they mean. Niche is something saint and immaculate for you when in reality it's just that - a fragrance from a company that doesn't sewing clothes as well. If you do not like a stupid butcher's face of a ceo of xerjoff - it is still a niche brand. If a brand mimics its exceptional origin, small scale, falsely claims using unique natural ingredients (and doesn't sewing clothes) than it is a niche brand. However, if LVMH will incorporate a "LV light" brand that will sell fragrances for a hundred bucks - that brand will be a masstige one.

>>17761617
>Niche is something saint and immaculate for you when in reality it's just that - a fragrance from a company that doesn't sewing clothes as well.
holy fucking ESL, and to think this is the same dude sperging out about indians

>>17761617
Diptique is obviously masstige you can buy it almost anywhere.

Not reading the rest of this post because you seemingly can't reason at all.

>>17761630
nevermind reasoning, dude can barely speak fuckin english

I'm going to San Sebastian this week, this will be my fragrance for the trip.

Any outfit inspirations that would go with this fragrance? I'm a man by the way.

>>17761666
Wide pleated linen pants and shirts in shades of tan

Blind buy list once I make money in crypto

>>17761694
remove:
>dylan blue (redundant when you have Bleu de Chanel)
>D and G one (no performance)
>ADG Profumo (discontinued, also one of the most overdone DNAs in history)
>Chanel allure (mediocre. the whole line is meh)
>Azzaro most wanted (cheap and tacky, smells like a tasteless poor guy at the club)
>Mancera cedrat Boise (just awful)
>either Valentino Uomo or Dior Homme Intense (you don't need both)

>>17761694
jesus christ, it really is true what they say about crypto millionaires

>>17761704
ive heard great reviews but yeah some do smell quite similar and ive yet to try them out in stores

What's the best Armani frag?
>>17761708
2 or 3k is nothing
just waiting for the next bull

>>17761714
i’m not waiting on you to grow more than 3 brain cells, that’s for certain

>>17761694
You'll certainly smell very Indian with loadout so you'll fit right in with the rest of the crypto-weenies

>>17761690
I was thinking something similar to pic rel, but I feel I'm really muscular to make this work

>>17761714
>What's the best Armani frag?
I would avoid Armani in general. They only pump out redundant flankers for two lines: ADG and Code. One of the least creative designer brands out there. Additionally, their fragrances are made by L'Oreal, a company that loves reformulating shit at random so that it's 10x weaker if it saves them 2 cents per bottle.
The best designers right now are Dior, Chanel, Hermes and Guerlain (if you count them as designer). They have in-house perfumers and are generally more serious and invested in the perfume production process instead of just outsourcing it all to L'Oreal.

>>17761694
Only ones I would buy from that list:
Sauvage elixir
Pardon
Dhi
Oud for greatness
Aventus

Considering you have unlimited money, otherwise remove the last two

>>17761725
Exactly the right idea.

>>17761726
>>17761727
thannks

>>17761617
You seem utterly confused.

>>17761694
Seconding this guy:>>17761704
and half of that can be sampled at any decent store for free, there is really no need to blind buy them.

Ummm... hello..? Things have changed here, it seems but I'm still wearing Chancel Chance

>>17761774
a whole universe of great feminines, and you chose one of the worst. further proof that YWNBAW

I spray fragrances twice when I apply them, full bottles last me forever basically. Problem is I have a whole list of bottles that I still want or could imagine wearing, but without many occasions to do so, and I don't like decants. Should I just accept the overload?

>>17761797
why do you not like decants? they're the perfect solution to your problem

>>17761797
Sissy sprayer alert

>>17761624
> ad hominem

>>17761630
>Diptyque can be bought everywhere, thus, it is a masstige brand
Everything can be bought everywhere nowadays, therefore, everything is obviously masstige.

>>17761739
Give me a working definition of a masstige brand, please. You can't.

You guys motivated only by hatred. In order to hate something, you made up this masstige nonsense. Before that, you detested designer perfumes and praised niche. There is a lying whore of a human being Pissara Umavijani on the artisanal/indi part of the picture here >>17760279. And Ormonde Jayne. My fucking sides.

Damn, why do all fragrances now have that ugly burnt wood base note?

>>17761802
Go to your local department store and buy Bogue or Tauer then you absolute dolt.

>>17761803
norlimbanol?

>>17761810

>>17761810
It is possible that it is that molecule, I would have to smell only that molecule to determine it. It is a feeling that I can capture in an infinite number of fragrances, for example, Tom Ford Costa Azzurra parfum, a composition with interesting characteristics, perhaps spoiled by the burned wood. I think it's a trend that started with Creed Aventus, another sample with this unpleasant olfactory sensation.

>>17761799
I can't rule out that the seller decants something else

>>17761802
it’s not an ad hominem to state that your english is atrocious, it’s just a simple factual observation.

>>17761802
>Give me a working definition of a masstige brand, please. You can't.
You were literally spoonfed it by them twice.
>There is a lying whore of a human being Pissara Umavijani on the artisanal/indi part
I have never seen any proof. So who's the perfumer? Who composed Oudh Infini?

>>17761797
>>17761824
Do splits and sell decants yourself then. You can keep 10ml of juice in each of your bottle.

>>17761820
norlimbanol is also in Bleu de Chanel
I wonder if escentric molecules does a pure norlimbanol release

>>17761869
sounds horrifying, please don’t give them the idea

>>17761869
In Bleu i get a different note, like a synthetic incense with a bit of dry cedar wood, not my cup of tea, but not unpleasant.

>>17761607
I usually am in Paris once a year for conferences. Next time I’m there I’ll look out for derby. Were you able to test them before buying? Their paris boutique is awesome. Unfortunately I never made it to Caron despite me being a big fan of their frags too. Also checked out Loccitane because they were open late. They also had some good paris exclusives. You should post some pictures of the Guerlain boutique if you have the time.

>>17761912
Also Sotd Caron l’anarchist. Opening is a warm cinnamon contrasted by cool mint all wrapped around a musky woody dry down. Nice classic structure with unconventional notes.

>>17761912
yes, they had samplers for derby and mouchoir before buying, i was pretty happy to spray on derby and indulge in it while their boutique prepared my bee bottle for me. definitely do check the caron boutique, it has their whole range of private collection stuff which is usually too outrageously overpriced for anyone to talk much about online. can’t say i’m a big l’occitane fan the way i am a guerlain or caron fan.
>>17761923
speak of l’anarchiste, i asked the boutique if they had any plans to reintroduce it and they said that it’d be returning in a new bottle soon, so look out for that i suppose.

>>17761941
so how is derby?

>>17761977
mildly sweet woody opening that gives way to a dry, bitter, smoky heart note that’s nothing short of fantastic.

>>17761979
sounds like a blind buy for me if it's ever available outside Paris

>>17761982
i’d strongly recommend it, but you and i will both have to pray that thierry waser has the sense to do what is right and reissue as part of the square bottle masculines collection.

is 4711 any good? tell me it doesn't smell of old people

>>17762026
someone as trivial as yourself does not deserve to smell 4711

>>17762028
garbage as always

>>17762026
open a pack of glasses cleaning tissues or hand refresher, smells exactly like that

>>17762030
>every glasses cleaner and hand moisturizer smells exactly the same

>>17761802
hopping in to call you a retard

indiechads what mass market brands would you make an exception for? I like OTB Group

>>17762065
literally not a single fragrance of value from any brand under this holding group

well turns out decants don't like to be in 40C heat for multiple hours, shit got real leaky. at least i found out that the ecuacion naturel travel decants are shit before i put something expensive in there
>>17761802
>Everything can be bought everywhere nowadays, therefore, everything is obviously masstige.
post a picture of your bottle of avestan

any europeans know what a good price for mouichoir de monsieur is? it's not listed on any price trackers and its out of stock in most places

why does everyone seem to love this?

>>17762062
I mean the tiny napkins that smell of citrus, 4711 is really similar

>>17762088
who is everyone?
>>17762089
>all tiny napkins smell the same

>>17762094
>who is everyone?
youtubers and online review sites

NEW THREAD
>>17762101
>>17762101
>>17762101

>>17760293
Kinda jealous, how are the prices there?

>>17762094
it will give you a general idea what it smells like, even if manufacturers make differently smelling napkins

>>17762104
>youtubers
because they were paid to "love" this. most of them do commissions, aka shilling
fragrantica users love it because they listen to the youtubers and downvote dissenting comments