/fa/ - Fashion

Is this thing made in China?

>>17705134
Yeah, but they stamp "swiss made" on it so it's just as swiss as every other swiss watch.

>>17705134
probably not

>>17705137

I'd like to think that's going to change soon due to the trade war but with Vietnam and India coming up with subpar products, China actually ends up looking better in terms of quality.

Like if we shat on items because >Made in China, were we being hard on them all this time considering how their manufacturing rivals are coming up with even worse products?

>>17705134
Make up your own mind
>>17705133
>>17704776
I'd hazard that at the very least the gold components are actually swiss produced, though they could come from germany. More mass made steel variants are iffy imo, not even considering the dial components or movement parts. I'd say china for them.

>>17705142
>Like if we shat on items because >Made in China, were we being hard on them all this time considering how their manufacturing rivals are coming up with even worse products?
It's not really a question of quality is it? Not all the time. The stuff made in China is likely made on the same machines as are used in Switzerland, Germany or Japan.
The question is about cost and value. By using China the Swiss are making obscene margins on things that they would otherwise not be able to if they were actually domestically made.
The question is then are you happy getting ripped off, and to what degree you are willing to put up with it? A PRS's worth? An Aquaracer? Zulu GMT? Moonwatch?

>>17705147
I'm not happy with being ripped off by the Swiss.

>>17705147
>By using China the Swiss are making obscene margins on things that they would otherwise not be able to if they were actually domestically made.
I hate to break it to you, but none of the parts in your modern watch are that complex to manufacture in bulk.

The reality is that a part that might cost 50 bucks to make in the west can be made for 10 bucks in China. Either way, the margins are obscene when we're talking about watches that cost thousands of dollars.

>>17705147
>The question is then are you happy getting ripped off
I mean we're all watch nerds here...

>>17705150
I'd like to think so

Until I see an Anon unironically praising Tag.

>>17705148
At least you know enough to be able to even make that judgement. For over a century the Swiss have used "Swiss Made" as a mark of distinction to sell their watches, ironic considering that term's origin but that's another story.
Consider all the people who have it ingrained in their minds that any timepiece marked "Swiss" deserves the markup it has over say a Casio, Timex or Seiko or whatever.
>no I don't want X i'll buy this quality Tissot for double the price instead, after all it's "Swiss Made" just like Rolex and Patek!
>>17705149
That's why I said it's about degrees of being ripped off. You're being screwed either way for this unnecessary jewelry, but just how much do you want to be ripped? I for one am more comfortable being ripped off by something actually made in Switzerland than something made in China masquerading as the former. Maybe that's just me.

>>17705155
You're being ripped off no matter what, I don't think there's much difference between paying a stupid amount of money for swiss kike turds vs paying a stupid amount of money for chinkshit masquerading as swiss kike turds.

I think you're just an idiot either way. But hey, that's generally how it goes for people who seriously fell for the "muh mechanical = soul" scam. Fools and money.

>>17705149
>The reality is that a part that might cost 50 bucks to make in the west can be made for 10 bucks in China.
It would be waaaaay worse than that. More like 50:1, perhaps less. Things looks like they're changing though and the Chinese have started charging more across the board. Still hilariously lopsided.

>>17705155

I'd like a Speedy mainly because I just think its cool, I also see the Aqua Terra in a similar light. I don't care much about the Swiss since in my eyes, they're all pretenders latching onto irrelevant prestige.

Grand Seiko and Citizen have come up with movements that are better than your average "Swiss Made" movements, even a $60 Miyota 9015 is already on the same level as most Swiss workhorses, minus the rotor issues inherent to ETA and Sellita movements, for only 1/3rd the price of those movements.

The more you read about horology, the more you realize "Swiss Made" is just a massive meme, and that's even before you check out the bullshit you see in Swatch.com that has that stamp on every one of their trash.

>>17705158
>But hey, that's generally how it goes for people who seriously fell for the "muh mechanical = soul" scam. Fools and money.
That's basically everyone in the world that's still buying watches in 2023 except those that've bought the osama casio.

>>17705162
I think there's merit in wanting something that isn't made entirely of plastic. But in a world where sapphire crystals cost 10 bucks to an end user, it's laughable that kikes are still charging 300 dollars for the "upgrade", and keeping it off their "cheaper" watches to pretend it's a "premium only" material.

>https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/10/fashion/watches-supply-chain-coronavirus-China-Switzerland.html

>>17705165
kek I remember reading the shock in online watch communities when it came out that frank muller was using poljot movements
>no no that's an isolated case it couldn't happen to my omega it's 100% swiss just as I, a proud argentinian, am 100% european!

>>17705166
Swatch already uses Tongji Chronograph movements for their plastic shit, and they still have the audacity to stamp SWISS on their dials.

I don't get why people still see Swiss watch companies with such prestige when they're pulling off shit like this. Say what you want about Seiko but they at least elaborate if the movements or watches aren't made in Japan. Swiss companies lack such transparency.

tfw you've been here long enough to remember the last few "Omega is Chinese" threads that happen every six months or so.

>>17705173
Been here for 3 months and it's already happened 4 times

>>17705162
>>17705158
Just take the quartz tag pill anons

>>17705173
I honest wouldnt mind it if their new releases reflect that on price, the issue is Omega wants to have its cake and eat it too.

People are well aware that Citizen acquired La Joux-Perret, but the reason why they get away with it is because the watches are still manufactured in Switzerland regardless.

>>17705174
>Been here for 3 months
translation: I've been here for 5 years and I don't want to admit it.

>>17705177
>People are well aware that Citizen acquired La Joux-Perret, but the reason why they get away with it is because the watches are still manufactured in Switzerland regardless.
Can you prove it, though?

>>17705176
Why can't these quartz watch companies just make their watches with nice 18k gold cases and bracelets? Then we would be able to buy our jewelry for men at affordable prices.

>>17705134
#chinkbrosStandWithOmega

>>17705180
No, but there's just something about Japanese pride that has me convinced they won't stoop that low.

This is the same consumerbase that think it's wrong to raise the price of watches they've already worn. Hell, Nakano is in my itinerary because even Swiss brands are being sold there for 40-50% the RRP pre-owned.

>>17705182
You'll have to go back to the 70s and 80s ranges. If you can find something that wasn't melted down by some pawnshop for gold content, you might actually have something decent on your hands. If.

>>17705188
OK. Well, I guess your belief in an idealized misunderstanding of a foreign culture is basically the same as proof.

>>17705184
BASED face it swiss cucks china is now the capital of haute horlogerie

>>17705182
>Why can't these quartz watch companies just make their watches with nice 18k gold cases and bracelets? Then we would be able to buy our jewelry for men at affordable prices.

If you could afford your aspirational jewelry for men, you wouldn't want it.

Someone a few threads was talking about humiliated middle-class poorfags seething at explosion of prices over the last few years because they were reminded that they are, in fact, no longer the target demographic for luxury watches.

Do you like my watch? Japanese 10000 times molded resin; exactly same type of battery powering this watch went to ISS; liquid rare-crystals display...

>>17705188
>there's just something about Japanese pride
The Japanese don't have pride. What they have is a national inferiority complex. They are not the honorabu samurai you wish they were.

They're petty and corrupt. (And, on the whole, have terrible breath)

>>17705198
sounds good but how many semi oscillations per hour? 18,000? 25,200? even 28,800?

>>17705176
No, anon. They're junk. I bought one and sold it within a month because they are legitimately worse in every way than a modern timex. It's laughable the quality of an "entry level luxury" brand compared to what we have today

>>17705191
I don't think it's a misunderstanding, this is the same culture that separates F2P games from full $60 games even when there's no law against doing so.

Compare that to what the West did the moment they found out about Japan's gacha system.

>>17705188
>>17705172
>Say what you want about Seiko but they at least elaborate if the movements or watches aren't made in Japan. Swiss companies lack such transparency.
It's not quite so clear cut.
Japanese laws aren't as bad as the in the Swiss example, but that depends on how you view it.
By law company can call a product "Made in Japan" if the following criterion are met (working off memory here):
>the item was made by a Japanese company
>in a factory owned by said company
>the factory's management is legit Japanese bloodofthesamurainohafu'sallowed and qc is overseen by them
This allows for example say a watch entirely made in Malaysia or wherever to obtain that coveted JDM designation if the factory it's made in is considered Japanese by virtue of the above. The actual SEA workers are considered robots and are thus irrelevant in a factory legally considered as rightful Nipponese infrastructure.

So those lesser JDM Seiko's might not necessarily actually be made in the Japanese archipelago. I once read that you had to buy a MarineMaster to really get something actually for real real made in Japan Japan, not "Japan" Japan. Grand Seiko however is most likely actually made in Japan as people have toured the factory and seen Seiko's vaunted fully integrated manufacture in action there, every part accounted for. I'd say the same goes for Citizen's top tier too but I've never investigated it.

This law allows for Japanese firms to sell basic, cheaper items to the Japanese public with a "Nippon Made for real" stamp because the nips will always try to buy their own goods rather than foreign ones. If you offer a foreign good and your competitor offers a JDM one then the latter is what will sell. If this wasn't in effect the Japanese public would be faced with the fact that actually most of the shit they buy comes from elsewhere and their economy, like their demographics, are in time proper fucked.
I don't believe for example a Presage's case etc., are actually MiJ.

>>17705200
Oh I don't think they're honorable, I initially thought of the inferiority complex angle as well, it reminds me of microbrands that are compelled to go hard on builds and quality since its the best they can go for due to not having the same prestige as Swiss brands, they therefore have to compete via quality alone due to lack of reputation.

Cadisen and San Martin doesn't use Sapphire and Titanium because they want to, they HAVE to in order to compete with big brands.

>>17705204
>Grand Seiko however is most likely actually made in Japan as people have toured the factory and seen Seiko's vaunted fully integrated manufacture in action there, every part accounted for.

"every part accounted for" is clearly false. Grand Seikos have plenty of parts made abroad, especially the quartz and mechanical versions. Spring Drive is not made in large enough volume to necessitate a second factory.
Case blanks, crystals, bracelet components, movement blanks etc. Those are all made abroad more cheaply and finished in Japan.

>>17705201
Not sure exactly, but you can hear it oscillating af. I wish my f-105w has tourbillon...

>>17705206
>>Cadisen and San Martin doesn't use Sapphire and Titanium because they want to, they HAVE to in order to compete with big brands.
They have to do it to compete with even the cheapest chink brands.

>>17705212
Nah, people are definitely cross-shopping San Shartin and Rolex, believe me.

>>17705212
Had this been 4 years ago, I'dve agreed with you, but even Seagull 1963 for some reason is trying to get past the $200 price point.

>>17705204
You can buy the recent King Seiko cases and bracelets direct off aliexpress.

>>17705217
Yeah but that's different because...IT JUST IS!! OKAY?!

>>17705215

Unrelated but since San Martin ended their custom dial program, do you guys have a suggestion on where to have a custom logo/index made? A friend suggested Undone but after checking it out, they basically have to make the entire watch, another friend suggested going to /r/Seikomods but >Reddit

>>17705217
I actually really like the red one. Not at the price they're asking though.
Nope.

oyster perpetual , explorer or speedy for first watch bros

>>17705222
Oyster Perpetual.
The current 36mm Explorer is too dainty.

>>17705222
Start with a GS Spring Drive and your journey ends early, quartz accuracy on a mechanical and you'll never have the need to adjust your watch every month besides the date changes you have to do 4 times a year. All other watches I want now are just meme watches since my GS covers every base I ever wanted it to.

Probably the next best thing to not getting into this hobby at all.

>>17705222
Dj > sub > OP > explorer > hig quality haq quartz that has a chance of getting you out of this rabbit hole > every watch ever made > chopping your dick off > omega chinamaster

>>17705223
depends on their wrist size
>>17705222
do you want swiss made? or "swiss made good enough for reddit"? do you even like chronographs? or do you want time only? if you get the rolex you won't bother with anything else and will piss off and live a happy life, if the omega you will want more later as you'll feel unfulfilled
many such cases
sad
>>17705224
>Probably the next best thing to not getting into this hobby at all.
consoooooooming jewelry for men in a magpie-like compulsion to accumulate isn't really a hobby

>>17705226
>depends on their wrist size
Very true. 16cm around or less, the Explorer looks fine. On a normal man's wrist, though, it looks tiny, even compared to the old 36mm Explorer.

The case is actually closer to 35mm and the 19mm bracelet makes it look like a boy's watch. A 36mm Datejust wears bigger.

>>17705220
Plenty of aliexpress stores offer dials with whatever logo you want printed on them. You've got to build the rest of the watch yourself though, although I guess you could just get a SM and swap the dial out, but that's basically as complex as just making the watch yourself.

>>17705226
>>17705224
The only instance I'd consider a hobby is when people collect specific vintage watches and or repair watches themselves. Just buying current production stuff off the shelf to fill one of those cheap watch boxes you see everywhere isn't really a hobby.
>>17705227
There's a 40mm Explorer 1 out now.

>>17705232
>The only instance I'd consider a hobby is when people collect specific vintage watches and or repair watches themselves.

I guess I must be autistic since I actually want to make watches for myself and a few friends now that I got to know more about watches.

Funny thing is, despite how cheap they are, making Quartz watches is way harder than making your own mechanical. The latter is just the same as building your own PC, even moreso when we live in a time where Miyota 9000 movements are <$70 per unit, Sapphire glass is affordable, and so are 316 L SS and Titanium.

No, I'm not using NHXX, I don't know why Seiko gets the praise it gets when the accuracy of their shit varies greatly. That said, the silver lining there is you get to also learn how to regulate movements because for anything Seiko related, you HAVE to know how to regulate their movements if you don't want your shit to be +40s.

>>17705236
>I don't know why Seiko gets the praise it gets when the accuracy of their shit varies greatly.
Works in my watch. +/-2SPD.

>>17705222
i'm in the same situation and part of it comes down to what colour dial you want, and the rest about whether you look like someone that spends time outside

>>17705222
Speedy (and any non-rolex watch), you'll keep buying random watches until you get a Rolex

Rolex, then you'll never develop watch Autism

>Explorer vs OP
Both are entry level rolexs, Explorers tend to hold their value better

Prefer the 36 OP in a teal dial myself: >>17705248 This is sexo

>>17705245
But that's the thing, not everyone gets to win the Seiko lottery.

>>17705258
Like with the actual lottery: just don't play and win by default.

>>17705258
>not everyone gets to win the Seiko lottery.
Do people really own movements that have more than 1SPD variance? Must be terrible. My only complaint with the NH line is that they're a pain to regulate, very small movements make very big changes. I could've probably got it dialed in a little better with a screw.

>>17705258
>seiko lottery
>pay 200 for 100-2000 value
>cosc lottery
>pay 8k for 5k
huh

>>17705266
>>pay 200 for 100-2000 value
No Seiko on earth is worth 2000 dollars. Come on, be realistic.

>>17705265
what does your regulation have anything to do when the adjustment is nonexistant

I once won a piglet in a lottery

>>17705269
there are no watches in the world that are worth 2000 dollars that don't use precious/exotic materials
beat that, mountain jew

Is this the watch thread?

>>17705176
>quartz """tag"""
>is actually heuer
?

>>17705270
What adjustment are you expecting? You can change the rate, you can change beat error. Beat error is usually fine from the factory, so adjusting the rate fixes most problems. Maybe some people get stinkers that can't be fixed, but who cares? For 30 bucks and a bit of poking, you too can have COSC level timekeeping!

Perfect two watch collection? What would you guys get?

>>17705269
Tell that to Seiko and their latest Prospex prices.
>$1500
>Caliber 6137
>-10/+25spd

A Miyota 90XX can do better for 1/3rd the price, you can also buy a Spring Drive Prospex for $200 more pre-owned, are they taking the piss?

>>17705282
>regulate your shitter to 0spd
>turn the watch on it's side and now it's +40spd
>turn it the other way, now it's -15spd
>all within seikos spec of superlative turd at -20+40

>>17705290
Positional variance is all within +/-5, buddy.

>>17705290
lol

>>17705290
but le... LOTTERY!

>>17705290
>>17705293
Time Lottery!!

>>17705204
My Weekdater was made in Japan a few months before the 1964 Tokyo Olympics where it was most likely bought by some Belgian who brought it to Europe.
Just buy a Weekdater.

>>17705217
>King Seiko cases

Mmm, Ill have to look at Aliexpress now.

>>17705296
>Just buy a Weekdater.
You don't want this. You should want to be the only Weekdater buyer. Because someone's going to find a perfect NOS example and then you'll be the one with the shitty cope Weekdater and no one will care you were first.

I have a phone for my day, date and week needs, thanks

>>17705299
They're expensive, bear that in mind. Think they were like 200 bucks or so last time I checked.

>>17705303
I don't really mind, I'm making these for close friends so cheaping out would feel rather wrong.

Same reason why I'm going for a Miyota 9015 instead of an NH35.

>>17705302
/g/ is that way>>>

>>17705300
>perfect NOS example
ngl i'd love to have one extra (a few actually, different models...), but mine has this lovely unique discolored dial, and i love it for that.

>>17705300
Thankfully it tends to not last long. The Seiko 7434-7008 went up to hundreds after TGV featured it but it went back down to $50 after the hype died down.

>>17705300
I'm just memeing anyway.

>>17705222
casio oceanus

>>17705271
Pics or you lie.

>>17705222
buy a sub, im very happy with it, the only watch ive ever bought though other than a power rangers plastic one when i was a kid

>>17705131
Thoughts on this Homos?
I want a dress watch that conveys subtlety and tastefulness.

>>17705338
It's pretty slim, so it shouldn't get stuck when you're fisting your partner.

>>17705338
Not a fan of the Roman numerals.

>>17705131
Hamilton Field vs Tissot PRX Which one for my first automatic?

casio > huehue

>>17705344

>>17705344
Two totally different watches, both inside and outside, it all comes down to the look you prefer.
The PRX was the flavor of the year, but the Hamilton is probably more reliable, it's been around for years. But the Hamilton will never get you any compliment.
Also, it's a hand wound watch (unlike the PRX).

>>17705353
Esentially, the one that fits you best. They are "the same", and both versatile enough.

Maybe the Tissot is a bit more versatile, and the Hamilton more of a classic people will recognize.

Up to you. Both are good shitters. (Id go for the quatz versions tho)

Thoughts?

>>17705363
You clueless faggot. The Hamilton he posted literally says "AUTOMATIC" on the dial ffs.

>>17705338
Looks great.

>>17705367
just another microshitter

>>17705367
Reminds me of the Cellini for some reason.

>>17705369

>>17705369
next time don't forget the picture with your retarded post you nigger faggot

What's the point of a chronograph without graduations from 50s to 10s?

>>17705405
to shill some stupid shit, are you stupid?
if they added an extra line to that paragraph "tiffany&co" goys would actually lose their minds

>>17705367
I like Farer's two tone watches usually, but not this one.

But then again, my taste in watches is CLOWNY, but not quite in the Invicta territory.

>>17705363
>But the Hamilton will never get you any compliment.

Why is this a big deal? you buy a watch to impress yourself, not other people.

The latter is just a bonus.

>>17705425
>Why is this a big deal? you buy a watch to impress yourself, not other people.
This is a lie that people who buy unimpressive watches tell themselves.

>>17705405
Fuck you. That's the point.

>>17705433
Genuinely nobody cares. If that was the case, my Zelos Mako is the best watch ever since it gets more questions and inquiries than your usual Rolex or Omega.

And no, I know damn well it's specifically because of the raised sapphire since normies aren't familiar with watches that have their glass that thick.

>>17705409
>>17705442
lmao why does this question trigger you faggots so much?
The chronograph function is unusable on this watch.

>>17705450
No, I'm not triggered. I mean Tudor literally saying "fuck you" and like it, just because.

>>17705457
Okay. When someone tells me "fuck you" I usually don't like it and I tell them to suck a nigger dick in return.

>>17705463
Yeah, but no need to suck your own dad's dick here, even if you really, really want to.

>>17705463
You have never said that to someone offline

Tired of the shitter game. OP in white with baton indices or quarter numerals? Will be worn in any situation.

>>17705367
Looks OK, I guess. Who buys these, though? A person who's not into watches would never find out about Farer. No one with only one watch owns a Farer.

It has to be a person who is into watches but not wealthy enough to afford top-level watches. Someone who needs to regularly consoom instead of just saving up for a "nice" watch.

>>17705479

>>17705479
I like the stick dial, personally, like in your picture.

>>17705463
>>17705466
Enough! No one is sucking no one's dick today.

>>17705479
>Tired of the shitter game.
I feel that.
I've been wearing casios and seikos for years, but i've been stepping up my game with an Hamilton and now i'm ready for a real premium watch. I'll probably spend a third of my net worth on it, but the economy is going to shit anyways.

>>17705481
People who buy Farer, Orient, Christopher Ward (...) are low achieving 30 to 40 year olds with little to no sexual life.

How do you guys feel about used watches? Something about buying something that has been in direct contact with someone's body grosses me out.

Where can I get help with watch addiction? I've been feeling down for the past few days because of a limited edition microshitter piece that I missed out on. My wishlist contains 30 pieces. If I let my mind wander it's all I think about. I want to break freeee

>>17705508
>How do you guys feel about used watches?
Fine. Some watches, like vintage ones, in particular, cannot be had brand new. Other watches have such brutal depreciation that buying them brand new is silly.

That said, I never put a used watch on my wrist unless I've cleaned it first, and if it's a watch on a strap, I get a new strap for it.

>>17705514
>My wishlist contains 30 pieces.
There's one piece you want above all the others, though.

Save up for that and buy it. Focus and do not deviate from this goal. Once you have your dream watch, you'll be able to more easily resist buying microshitters since you know it would be a step down and you want to wear your favorite watch anyway (which you now own.)

Why are the prices in EU so much higher? In the US I see this being sold for $430 new but here the cheapest new price is 650€. I feel bad spending so much on a field watch but all the cheaper field watches don't have proportions/built quality as good. Should I just be patient and wait for someone to sell theirs used?

>>17705479
OP39 white with stick dial is the way to go imo. If your wrists are slim you could get away with a smooth bezel DJ34 with the white dial.

>>17705496
Except your mom lmao

>>17705533
34 is the OP Date but yeah I get you. Any reason to go with a date complication over a purist dial for a 1 and done Rolex?

Why is it so hard to find a quartz diver that's not a sub ripoff or ugly?

>>17705533
Checked. Was also considering the older OP Date (silver) with engine turned bezel but idk…something about it just looks off.

>>17705543
>Any reason to go with a date complication over a purist dial for a 1 and done Rolex?
A date complication can be convenient.

Most of my watches are no-date and there have been plenty of times someone's asked me the date and I didn't have my phone handy.
>What's the date today?
>I don't know.
>Check your watch?
>It doesn't tell the date.

If it's a one-and-done you'll probably be wearing it daily, so the pain in the ass of setting the date will not be an issue.

>>17705554
That ref is cheaper than it’s no date version for some reason.

>>17705518
Not really no, nothing sounds fun about an expensive (5 figures) watch
Having to think "will I run into any nigger today?" every morning, feeling like an idiot if you ever make the tiniest scratch on it, people thinking you're the most insecure tool for walking around with a watch as expensive as their car, waiting for months to get it serviced, as well as knowing you've been scammed by mountain jews on a product with a 95% profit margin

>>17705543
>>17705552
The OP Date is a good choice. It's a little less blingy than a Datejust. Aside from being a little smaller, it's functionally the same as a DJ. Same movement, same water resistance.

Here's an example of a ref 15200 on a 6.5" wrist.

>>17705559
>That ref is cheaper than it’s no date version for some reason.

The Oyster Perpetual is a hot model because of the rainbow dial colors they put them out with. That bumped up used prices too. The Oyster Perpetual Date was discontinued by the time the OP became hyped, so it never got the same bump.

>tfw your gf pretends to care when you explain to her how spring drive movement works
feelsgoodman

>>17705563
damn thats hot. I wonder if legibility is decent.

>>17705579
Legibility in daylight is fine. The hands and indices are faceted so they're always catching light.

Let me guess, you *need* more than 100m WR?

>>17705579
Have you considered this model as well?

should i? or is the white dial a bit tacky?

>>17705591
is that not one of the two watches he started out with >>17705482

>>17705593
I didn't see that post while taking reading the thread taking a massive shit anon, my bad

>>17705552
Don’t go engine turned

I had that exact model and I quickly tired of that bezel. The engine turned bezel on a datejust is rounded like the fluted bezel, the bezel in pic related is flat and weird like a step case

>>17705592
at 5k just get a rolex

>>17705563
Gorgeous watch, pure distilled Rolex

>>17705590
100 wr for washing hands minimum
200 wr for baths and light relaxing in a hot tub
300 wr for swimming in a pool

>>17705598
only want a milgauss

>>17705609
Then save up for one nigga

Posting the best Casio

>>17705592
No. You can get an OP or a Seamaster for that price, or Exp1 if you can do 6k.

5k for AT is crazy

>>17705620
hate the numbers on the explorer dial, rest of the watch is good though

>>17705616
Pretty good, reminds me of the Epstein Victorinox.

>>17705620
this or even should just get a secondhand speedy

>>17705176
tag? no thanks. i only trust rolex when it comes to quartz

>wear my citizen for when im doing stupid shit like riding on a bike or electric scooter
>wear rolex for literally anything else
>anytime I want a new watch I remind myself I'll never wear it

>>17705636
congrats you've figured it out
just buy a rolex and a cheap shitter beater

>>17705634
But that isnt quartz

>>17705642
If you're worried about scratching your watch, you're wearing an investment, you'll part with it eventually, it's never really yours.

Go balls deep with your Rolex if you believe you genuinely own it. Trying to maintain its value is just you doing favors for speculators.

>>17705644
it says oysterquartz you little retard twerp

>>17705644
are you sure? it says quartz on the dial

>>17705646
not that anon but i care less about scratches and more about just breaking the crystal, crashed my electric scooter going 40 mph in the rain like a tard and completely destroyed a seiko a while back

>>17705644
Yes it is. You can see on the dial. "Oysterquartz".
Back when quartz was still new technology and even considered more luxurious than a mechanical watch, Rolex invested, with a couple other Swiss makers, in developing a quartz movement.
By all accounts it's an excellent, if overengineered, movement.

Then, of course, the world woke up to what quartz really was and Rolex quickly discontinued the Oysterquartz in favor of continuing with mechanical movements.

>>17705646
I don't think they are concerned about scratches, they're concerned about the mechanical movement exploding which is a risk with any mechanical that gets hit hard enough.

>>17705647
>>17705649
Wait, if that's Quartz, why are they still calling it a Superlative Chronometer if it isn't mechanical?

>>17705644
Think before you post, retard. Rolex made oysterquartz's for about 30 years.

>>17705579
psst don't listen to them
they're demons that only lie to you
silver on silver = shit legibility
you will regret it

>>17705652
>>Then, of course, the world woke up to what quartz really was
God, kike revisionism is always funny to witness.

>>17705654
Because "chronometer" is a term that also applies to quartz movements. The requirements are more stringent than it is for a mechanical movement.

>>17705652
>quickly discontinued
i think they kept the model line around into the 2k's. tells you how few of them they sold really

>>17705601
You'll need minimum 800m if you intend to go anywhere near the deep end though.

>>17705652
>Rolex quickly discontinued the Oysterquartz
They made them for ~30 years. Quite the opposite of "quickly discontinuing" it.

>>17705184
is that the 39mm version or is your wrist less than 6"?

The Oysterquartz is a shit stain on Rolex' History and I'm glad it's dead and forgotten.

>>17705577
>tfw do the same exact thing, Spring Drive and all
>went on for one more hour about Citizen
>fastest break up ever

Give me your gf. I'm not negotiating

>>17705662
Didn't know about this, turns out there's a Rolex I'd actually like after all.

>>17705673
Oysterquartz is pretty based. The movement even used a pallet fork to ensure the seconds hand perfectly aligned with the indices and didn't wobble.

>>17705675
Neat, that's going to be on my ebay watchlist alongside the Speedy 1861 and the Mispoes.

Thanks for the heads up.

>>17705521
anyone?

>>17705670
it's the best watch they ever made

>>17705673
Yeah, it's a great Rolex for people who want to be different while still wearing the uniform.
>My Rolex is quartz. I'm not like the other boys.

>>17705683
It needs a battery, therefore it's shit.

45GS today.

>>17705685
Do you hate magazines with your guns?

>>17705685
And because it's an early quartz movement, the batteries only last about 24-36 months. Fucking Timex batteries will last a decade.

>>17705479
no numerals
a white dial watch is loud compared to one with a darker dial, consider that if you plan to wear it all the time
the smooth bezel is also shinier than the fluted DJ one, and that too will attract attention more
an OP with numerals and you might as well get an explorer

>>17705684
I don't mind quartz. That's one less watch I'd be anxious about in terms of power reserve, I already alternate my two automatics so a 3rd not having that problem would actually be neat.

>>17705689
hate the exp handset

>>17705689
>No numerals

Numerals fucking suck. It's the very reason why alot of Oceanus models went out of the window for me.

>>17705563
i didnt know that existed. i thought DJ was op + date complication. it's a beautiful watch. maybe renders dont do them justice, but modern rolex models seem too bulky and shiny

I'm wildly undecided.
All 36mm, all to be mostly used in casual situations.
Here's a poll in case you don't want to solve a captcha: https://strawpoll.com/7MZ0A2DQRyo

>>17705686
nice watch, anon

>>17705675
and it makes a nice mechanical sound too

>>17705708
Loudest tick ever lol. I love mine.

>>17705705
tough choice, personally i'd go for the rose gold one

>>17705710
Pretty minty. Looks like it's one of the older models (since it doesn't have the 'chronometer' text on the dial).

>>17705710
looks really nice

>>17705714
Yup, from 1979/1980, somewhere around there. I like the cleaner dial.

>>17705682
No idea why.

>>17705682
Good luck with that, my boss has one and it's his favorite beater. I can't blame him, it makes for a good one.

>>17705705
Fuck your poll.
Right one because you will tire of the novelty palm dial within 2 weeks.

>>17705686
Very nice. Probably my second favorite GS case shape after the 62GS.

>two threads of butthurt conjecture yet zero hard evidence that Omega is Chinese
Pathetic. You fags will believe anything.

>>17705705
why would you ask us bro? i hate all of them, but i hate the yellow gold one the least. maybe the green would grow on me with time, but i doubt id buy it. just get the one you like, why bother what we think, it's a rolex so you we will approve automatically, whether we would go for the same model is irrelevant

>>17705675
Compare that quartz of old to the modern, disposable modules churned out in their gorillions.

>>17705729
It's been more than 8 hours man, the Anon you're salty with probably isn't even here anymore.

Is this the most affordable reverse panda chronograph that is not total garbage?

>>17705735
>spring drive.jpg
>It's not even the 9f

>>17705737
Not salty at all, just in awe of the level of groupthink here. I bet you fags got the covid vaccine too huh?

>>17705741
I have unironically migrated over to boomer forums like WUS because this place has turned into reddit levels of retardation

>>17705667
I can't take a photo for shit
6.7

>>17705741
>>17705729
>comes back whining about butthurt 24hr later
stop projecting
you overpaid for a chinese watch
get over it and get over yourself
nobody cares
grow the fuck up loser

thoughts for a wristlet?

>>17705704
>i didnt know that existed. i thought DJ was op + date complication. it's a beautiful watch. maybe renders dont do them justice, but modern rolex models seem too bulky and shiny

They made it between the 1960s and the early 2000s, but it was never super popular. The date complication a la the DJ came out in 1945 and it was always a luxury watch, while the Oyster Perpetual was a more middle-class watch. As time went on, though, the DJ was never that much more expensive than the OPD and came in a wider variety of bracelets, bezels and colors.

An interesting quirk is the OPD ref. 1530, which actually sported the Genta-esque angled case and bracelet before the Oysterquartz. They made it for two years between '75 and '77 before the Oysterquartz was released in '77. The theory was that the quartz movement wasn't ready yet, so they fitted some mechanical movements into the cases, They only made about 1,500 of these.

>>17705726
I only added it in case someone didn't want to solve a captcha, no need to get so worked up.
>>17705730
>why would you ask us
To get some input, maybe everyone will like the same one and in time I'll start seeing why, or someone will point out how something would look totally off when worn in a certain situation or with a certain outfit.
>just get the one you like
I like them all, though for different reasons, that's why I'm undecided.
The SS with the green dial is by far the most sober and would go well with most of my outfits, though the green kinda sorta stands out so it seems exaggerated for a black suit, and that tone of green would just look off with a really casual outfit composed of super highly saturated colors.
It also has the best legibility of the three.
The RG with the grey palms is a bit more eye-catching but not by far, it's more formal so despite the kinda sorta playful pink it would also go well with more formal outfit while still being very usable with a casual grey wool pants and a white polo shirt or floral half sleeve button up, though the grey and pink certainly make it more difficult to pair.
The YG with the texture dial looks easier to style but it doesn't have a grey palm dial and the yellow one I don't like very much because it's a similar but slightly different color and a very different texture, so it might not be very noticeable from afar but from the distance I would look at it to read the time it would look terribly busy I'm afraid, certainly more so than with grey palms.
Two tone YG also looks like I wanna show off, and I don't want to show off that much, so while it would be easier to pair with outfits because of the color it would be a tad harder to find something that's not too casual to avoid looking like I'm cosplaying a character from The Sopranos nor too formal to avoid looking like I'm cosplaying a freshly graduated Goldman Sachs new hire.

>>17705746
Sorry I don’t live in threads like a terminally online tranny. Meanwhile you’re here seething all day about watches you don’t even own lmao.
If there’s no evidence, I don’t believe it.

>>17705756
>They only made about 1,500 of these
The 1530s are all very expensive now of course. Last I checked they hovered around the 20k mark.

>>17705727
I really like the look of the 62GS in photos, but in person I dunno... mainly it's just a pain to set the day so I don't wear my Seikomatic as much as I should. Also I have it on a dressy Camille Fournet alligator

>>17705704
The best thing about modern rolex is the bracelets, otherwise it's a step back

>>17705776
Yea no quick set day is a pain in the ass to be honest. I'm still impressed with how well lapinist was able to refinish the case on yours.

>>17705779
Guy's a wizard. Some day I'll send the 45GS to him.

>>17705743
You said that yesterday, and yet here you are.

>>17705781
I did get a display caseback from him, though I don't think I'll be sending in my 62GS to get refinished to be honest. It's already in pretty fantastic condition all things considered. Kinda feels like I'd be erasing the history with its original owner, who you can tell took care of the thing.

>>17705777
>The best thing about modern rolex is the bracelets, otherwise it's a step back
Not for nothing, but the older, hollow link bracelets were lighter and more comfortable. Sure, they were rattly, to adjust the fit required a toothpick, and they would stretch out after about 20 years but comfort counts too.

>>17705759
The only one seething itt is you. Take a step back and a deep breath.
>>17705755
If you truly wanted versatility you'd have selected the safer default choices like black, blue, white, blue patterned etc. Since you've selected these three that are all polarizing and won't go with absolutely every fit just pick the one you like most.

>>17705789
Yeah mine was an overpolished travesty I got for a song, so there was nothing left to ruin essentially. He really restored it. Yours is perfect as is.

>>17705743
>posted from my iphone on tapatalk
any site with this feature is major dookie

Copped a cheap digital microscope from amazon. Now I just need a watch with an exhibition case back worth looking at.

>>17705803
>chronomet
>perlative
do rolex bros really?

>>17705806
Wait...your chronomet isn't perlative? You're serious?

>>17705755
sounds to me like you like the RG the most. just go for it my man. to me palm trees on dial look like novelty that wont age good. if i was buying for myself i would try to find something versatile that is both "speaking" to me but also wont look ridiculous in 20 years. my rule of thumb for any of the funky looking watches is this imaginary scenario i made up in my mind that is somewhat based on true events... im at the funeral, dressed sharp and wearing the watch in question. i go to the family in front of the chapel to offer my condolences. do i leave the watch on, or put it in my pocket because i know there is possibility that its looks could imply that i tok the opportunity to show off, that i have no real desire to be here, or that it could be considered even offensive and dishonest.
if the watch doesnt pass the funeral test then i wont consider it for my daily watch at all, because at my line of work there is a lot of situations just like that and i dont even want to think - oh wait, i should take my watch off before i deliver this news. someone else might not think this to be even a consideration when buying a watch.. at the end of the day, everyone is different

>>17705288
love me gw5000u but i would never get one of the steel gshocks better put that kind of money towards another dress watch

>>17705776
Hideous tattoos

>>17705842
It's worse when he zooms out and you can see the whole thing is just a mish-mash of metal imagery and weebshit.

If someone wants the best stainless steel sports swiss watch, the first that comes to mind is rolex submariner.
If someone wants a watch that is quintessentially german, it would probably be something very complicated and overengineered by lange
If someone wants an american watch, it would be apple or android smartwatch, different from any other kind of watch and they dont care.
Japanese watch? Probably something high tech and very ugly (some kind of digital casio with radio waves, bluetooth, wifi, camera and idk what, i dont like them so i dont know much about them)
But what if i wanted the best, most iconic chinese watch. Not a copy, not something 1 of 1 or extremely eyewatering expensive, just the best all around chinese watch for about 10k, maybe 20k? What are my options?

>>17705729
There is definitely some bracelet links labelled “made in China” kicking around if you should so choose to google it

>>17705750
Bizarre and disgusting

>>17705777
The bracelet is a big one though, handling a five digit Rolex compared to a modern one is night and day. I prefer five digits too, but you could handily kill a man with a 116610 in a sock

>>17705842
We already did this, can we please not do it again

>>17705842
Better than your face homie.

>>17705859
Omega.

>>17705859
>best all around chinese watch for about 10k
say no more senpai

>>17705822
>gw5000u
I ordered one this week. Can’t wait. I tried the 5600E and it felt like cheap trash

What is it about the based Speedy that causes critical levels butthurt on this sour grapes general?

>>17705874
>>17705879
Lmao. Ok, new rules, no replicas, no expensive unobtainable ones and no omegas. A chinese equivalent of submariner, does it exist?

Jealous /fa/ggots?

>>17705705
They are all terrible but green is the on you will regret the least. I have spoken!

>>17705859
>>17705874
>>17705879
>>17705905
All of this effort just to samefag. Schizo

>>17705729
>there is more evidence that omega is made in china than there is that it's made in sissyland

>>17705906
No, nice watch. Photo looks like a watercolor painting though.

>>17705861
>There is definitely some bracelet links labelled “made in China” kicking around if you should so choose to google it
why are you lying?
there is one forum post of a guy who got bracelet links shipped from a warehouse in China, which is sketchy but still miles away from what you just claimed

17705920
nah bro

>>17705922
If there’s so much evidence, post it then fag

>>17705932
>bracelet links shipped from a warehouse in China
this must be the /wt/ version of
>dog ate my homework
and
>i slipped on banana peal and fell dick first into our neighbour who was naked in our bed

>>17705906
A bit.

The troll is awake and back on duty, i'll see you tomorrow.

>>17705932
Ah I don’t care really

>>17705895
For a watch related general surprisingly few people here actually own watches

>>17705940
my Xiaomi phone got shipped from a warehouse in Switzerland, I guess Xiomi phones are swiss made

>>17705906
No, happy for you though

>>17705969
I like the coke, probably my favorite out of the bunch

>>17705969
Nice anal beads

>>17705968
>I guess Xiomi phones are swiss made
they are no less swiss than omega is i can tell you that much

>>17705906
LOL
LMAO, even

>>17705861
>Bizarre and disgusting
what about this one my guy

First automatic, 38.5mm.

>>17705906
Did you zoom so close to the watch to hide how expansive your wrists are?

>>17705995
Woof. Just get a Cartier tank. Save up. Look for a Must de Cartier quartz if you want one that's cheaper.

>>17705997

>>17706005
Hey, I like it. I wanted something a little less plain. I have no regrets.

>>17705906
Why does your wrist look like a leather couch

>>17706000
i can afford it but i cant justify paying that much for a watch. there are plenty reasonable alternatives in my opinion.

boys, whats ur opinion about MTP1302D-2A2V tiffany?

>>17706038
Tiffany sucks as a color

I would like to make my own watch, but all the guides I find mostly deal with dive watches and big cases.
Basically I want a 34-36mm case, not more than 10mm thick, but preferably even thinner; I want a basic quartz movement, lumed dolphin hands, and a white/cream/silver dial with non-numerals indices (with at least some lume on them).
Can this be done?

If you had to pick a chronograph in Ti for under $20K which would you choose between the Bulgari Octo Finissimo Chronograph GMT and the Blancpain FF Bathyscaphe Flyback?

>>17706051
blackpan

>>17706051
backpain

>>17706051
Neither. Hublot Big Bang Unico 42mm in Ti.

>>17706060
Gross

I’m torn between the 2. The Bulgari is ultra-thin at ~7mm and has a GMT whereas the Blancpain is twice as thick but has a flyback 5hz movement. The finishing seems about the same.

>>17705906
why do 95% of grand seikos look exactly the same and why is your photo shit

>>17706051
Between those two I'd get the bvlgari. The case shape is quite unique & the thinness of the movement is pretty impressive.

>>17706051
the bvlgari is better and the blancpain boutiques are lame

>>17706051
Zeinth Defy El Primero
You'll even save money.
Otherwise, the white bread.

>>17706071
Shit photo for a shit watch.

>>17706074
I almost bought the Bathyscaphe chrono in the past. I like it a lot more now that it is available in Ti with a bracelet but the Octo’s are available at such a discount for a watch that is fully in-house. I just need to find one to try on.

>>17706078
I want to like it. The double balance 1/10th a sec chrono is cool but I just don’t like how it looks.

>tudor boutique
>a lange boutique
>omega boutique
>jaeger boutique
>all opening up next to an already giant watch store in vegas strip
i thought luxury watch market was dying bros...

>>17706097
"Luxury watches are dying" is big cope from guys who are too poor to get a Rolex.

>>17706104
more and more people are poor now (thanks biden) so maybe they have a point.

>>17706106
>more and more people are poor now (thanks biden)
LOL poorfag ruraltard FREAK cope

>>17706097
Did they open up the new Tourneau in Caesars yet?

>>17706107
enjoy your inflation of all goods i guess.

>>17706097
I’m going to Vegas in October. If I win some money I’m buying an omega seamaster.

>>17705134
It would be an improvement if it was.

>>17706069
The Bathyscaphe is all wrong proportionally and the Octo Finissimo wears like a huge bangle and looks disappointingly cheap in person.

The anon who suggested the Hublot was right. It's also got the better movement. The UNICO is a double clutch, column wheel flyback chrono with 72 hours power reserve.

>>17705990
>they are no less swiss than omega is i can tell you that much
that has to hurt

>>17706129
It's kind of funny. I love watching a classic schizopost meltdown.

>>17706051
Blancpain because Putin wears them too

>>17705743
Oh, are you the guy with the Pepe avatar? Yeah, WUS is definitely way more civil.

>>17706108
Bucherer Time Dome. Yes, and it’s fucking based. Live here and its my go to store now. Hopefully they can get me a Rolex as they said they want to prioritize sales to locals.

>>17706108
yeah and it's very nice
>>17706145
i also live here and they're very friendly, especially after i let them know i've moved here and i'm not a tourist
>>17706121
good luck you'll need it

>>17706049
>dolphin hands
dauphine

>>17706152
My nigga. They gave me a cloth and a watch bag thing last time I was in. They’re way more friendly than the shitty Torneau Rolex AD in Ceasars.

>>17706152
>good luck you'll need it
i'm a good blackjack player

>>17706121
>If I win some money
lol

>>17706162
Cool, I might have my Rolex sent off for servicing there soon.

>>17706161
>his watch doesn't have whale hands
level up kid

>>17706169
Don’t own a Rolex, wouldn’t they all pretty much be the same because it’s just getting mailed off to the nearest service center?

>>17706179
i think so but i've never bothered asking

>>17706127
> Octo Finissimo wears like a huge bangle

You realize that the Hublot is 45mm and 15mm thick right? I have an 8” wrist and 42mm is my limit.

>>17706174
That's kinda cool.

>>17705989
I'm trans btw

>>17706166
it's called gambling anon. try it when you're old enough to walk into a casino.

>>17706161
Kek excuse my ignorance

>>17706183
That Hublot's 42mm. They make a smaller one now.

>>17706204
I'm muslim so i can;t

>>17706144
>Oh, are you the guy with the Pepe avatar?
Nah that’s not me. I just made an account this month

>>17706209
I hate you for make me even consider this but it’s not as bad as I thought.

Im in love with the aesthetics of this watch but it only comes in 36mm. Anyone have any suggestions for something similar under 1k in an adult size?

>>17706225
36 mm is perfect size for a gentleman

>>17706224
Shit, I didn't know they made a bracelet version. Not bad.

I saw an guy wearing an old fake nautilus today. It looked really cool.

>>17705906
lugs n chain don't fit

>>17706225
Maybe lose weight

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>>17706244
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>>17706038
if you can't afford the rolex at least do casio cope correctly

>>17705997
>first automatic
we can tell