/fa/ - Fashion

Redpill me on Invicta.

Thoughts on Orient Kamasu? I'm eyeing a red one

>>17585248
Made in China.

>>17585242
>>17585242
There's nothing more fun than going to invicta forums where middle aged men post wrist shots of 55mm watches and earnestly replying something like
>nice watch, love the colors. cant wait to have this in my collection. why did you go with the womans size on this though?
it never fails. invicta owners are so fragile in their masculinity and they always have to be performative about it. you will get pages long rants on how they were in the marines and love hunting and all that shit. its never not hilarious

>>17585248
Great value for the money. I know this will make SEIKOcels seethe because they paid thousands on their shitters but the movement built into the Kamasu is way better than any 4R or 6R Seiko movement.
People will reply to me muttering something about Seikos are great just not regulated while forgetting Orient doesnt regulate either.

>>17585248
I have the red one as well, great watch.

>>17585251
I guess if your entire wardrobe is track suits, basketball shorts and POW MIA t-shirts gigantic 2 inch thick 3 inch wide watch is much less of an obstacle.

>>17585251
Dude needs a huge watch to break through his forest canopy of arm hair.

>>17585251
Invicta is capable of making a good watch. I have one of their 40mm Divers and it's great. That said, they also make some horrendous watches.

>>17585159
I bought it.
Thanks all!

>>17585267
Enjoy your chinese watch.

>>17585251
Could be worse.
At least he didn't get it in yellow gold and 50mm size.

>>17585272
Why does yellow gold get such a bad reputation on jewelry like watches?

The only true and unquestionable chart has arrived.
>Cope, if you must

tl:dr: any caveats I should know about with buying a 90s' Calatrava?

I'm wearing a suit more often these days and want a dressier watch.
I'm currently wearing a 90's era Oris bigcrownpointer that's a steel case, blackdial and 36mm. Which is fine for my wrists and the black dial legibility is great.
However a 90's Patek Calatrava 3923R has come up. It's however 33/32mm. I think my 16.5 wrist can manage it.

As I understand it, this model uses the same calibre the recently discontinued 5196 used, cept better proportioned because patek cheaped out with the latter and stuffed the small movement into an enlarged case.
This reference doesn't get talked about so much online because nobody wants small watches anymore. Any of you terminally online forum trawlers hear anything about this model?
I've not been on the watch forums for years.

>>17585283
Because it's mostly not solid gold, but plated, or even worse, just painted gold tone.

>>17585236
>Only shitters allowed edition
Finally, a place for Inslader watches.

are smart watches cringe? i think they're cool

>>17585294
based

>>17585304
They're fine as tech especially apple watches that are actually making parts and software that are superior to medical equipment.

As a wristwatch they're kinda dumb; they're a sized-down cell phone with sensors to monitor you, there isn't craftsmanship or anything stylish; they're maximizing screen size and battery life and making an aluminum/stainless/titanium body. Thats just strapping a mini cell phone to your wrist. Nobody will inherit a smartwatch from grandad that wore it every day for 40 years.

>>17585304
It depends on how much you like cock.

>>17585307
>They're fine as tech especially apple watches that are actually making parts and software that are superior to medical equipment.
Holy shit i didn't think I'd see Apple dick sucking in a fucking watch thread but here we are.

>>17585311
Many of the people here are itoddlers sadly

>>17585295
>I've not been on the watch forums for years.
Unless you have an encyclopedic knowledge of vintage Patek, I strongly recommend you retain an expert. The odds of you getting screwed are quite high.

>>17585307
>Thats just strapping a mini cell phone to your wrist.
that's dependent on an actual cellphone to work
cut out the middleman

>>17585307
but what if i want one just because im not a watch guy and think they look cool?

>>17585304
i've tried to like them but every time i've given them a chance i simply end up using them to tell time.

my phone vibrates or makes a sound for notifications, so why do i need a smart watch?

and if i want to reply to the notifications, doing so on a watch is a nightmare. voice to text can be inaccurate or just annoying.

the biosensors provide feedback that for me is not very useful. if you really want useful data then every fit fag i know uses a dedicated sensor they strap to their chest.

the gps features are somewhat useful to me when i camp/sail, but again, a dedicated sensor/tool is always preferable.

>>17585317
i drive semi trucks so i think itd be very useful to use while driving

>>17585311
I hate using my work iphone because it just isn't as good as google, but go ahead and point out where I'm wrong.

>>17585320
you can use google on your iphone, grandpa

>>17585316
>what if i want one just because im not a watch guy and think they look cool?
If you like it then get one. Why would you consult internet strangers to decide if you should buy something you like?

>>17585319
that's fair enough. when i drive i just use android auto which notifies me of any relevant alerts but if you don't drive a vehicle with an onboard screen like that then it could definitely be useful

>>17585323
im only just getting into dressing nicely and wanted to consult the collective knowledge of anomalous
give me a break

Stop discussing bullshit watches. This is a Patek general.

>>17585326
>wanted to consult the collective knowledge of anomalous
All of us on this thread are incels, we don't know anything about fashion

>>17585326
yeah tech and "dressing nicely" rarely go together. If you're just wearing nicer clothes going out then nobody cares what watch you're wearing unless its just really out of place or style. You'd have to give more context; if you're going golfing nobody cares. Going to the bar to meet a few friends? Nobody cares. Full suit at a wedding or receiving an award? Probably not the best option for flexing a little style but nobody will say its out of place.

If you like tech and you're not going full /fa/ then it'll work most of the time.

Any reason I shouldn't spend $2k on a quartz?
I think it looks amazing.

>>17585251
lmao you were right, everything is either way too big or way too small, and everything is on sale 80% off. I'm checking out their website, it's like a wild west of 36mm divers and 55mm skeletonized dress watches.

>>17585321
yeah I'll just buy a $1400 iphone to hack a googleOS onto it. Thats a good use of time and money.

>>17585334
the whole appeal of JLC is their mechanical movements. If I wanted a higher end quartz watch I'd just go with something more modern from GS.

>>17585331
my idea of dressing nicely is like a nice tracksuit or a nice pair of jeans and a tucked plaid shirt with some nice shades, a chain and a watch or something like that, not country club type style just not looking like i just rolled out of bed I suppose
i dont get into the sport coat/suit types of /fa/ so there's that

The undisputed king of watchmaking

>>17585334
several people on /wt/ own multi-thousand dollar high accuracy quartz watches. just make sure its one of those, or at the very least unique and interesting.

like pic related / Seiko Age of Discovery. it's a perpetual calendar and iirc it's one of the few fully serviceable quartz watches that you can find for a decent price.

>>17585334
Four 30 pulsations

>>17585339
>my idea of dressing nicely is like a nice tracksuit or a nice pair of jeans

>>17585339
>nice tracksuit or a nice pair of jeans and a tucked plaid shirt
Then it doesn't matter. Your track suit (lol) won't look right with a $2000 mechanical watch unless you're also flexing somewhere else like getting out of your Urus. You'll look a bit of a goober if you wear a smart watch and a regular watch but boomers and mall ninjas do that all the time.

>>17585334
Quartz is gay. You aren't gay, are you?

>>17585341
Looks exactly like an AVI-8 lmfao.

>>17585347
>>17585345
listen i only recently even started giving a shit about dressing well, im just not familiar with looking nice.
any help is appreciated

>>17585341
Yeah.
But did you know the (((Stern))) family bought Patek in 1932, during the Great Depression?

>what time is it?
>who the hell cares?

>>17585341
Move over, buddy. There's a new king in town.

Finished my watch, I'm pretty happy with it. At the bottom is a good comparison of the thickness I shaved off, I can still take a little more off the back but it's close enough to wear, went from about 13.6mm to 11.7, so about 2mm. I was hoping for more, but close enough.

>>17585358
Butler, what time is it?

>>17585356
Nobody has ever accused me of being fashionable, and even I know track suits are not considered fashionable.

>>17585358

>>17585352
meds

>>17585366
then what is? i think they look good in a functional sort of way, but again im not versed in this shit
bear in mind i work 14 hours a day 7 days a week driving a truck so id look a little out of place in a fucking suit

>>17585343
also reminder that these little guys have a pretty big following with seiko collectors, so if you want to buy one do it now before all of the vintage seiko nerds buy all of them

>>17585295
Get a 90s piaget instead.
https://www.chrono24.com/piaget/gouverneur---as-new---sale--id14595584.htm

>>17585358
It's interesting that on the black one they doubled the dots at 12 to show the orientation of the dial, but the red one just has the same single star all the way around.

>>17585369
faggot

>>17585374
>>17585343
i really like this, might get it instead of a smart watch

>>17585369
Waiting for your gloryhole client to show up at the truck stop?

>>17585372
If you're a truck driver then wear jorts, cargo shorts, and a dirty T-shirt. You must never wear an un-stained shirt. If its hot a dirty wife-beater undershirt is acceptable too. Footwear ranges between New Balance tennish shoes and Crocs. The tech you NEED is a 1-ear headset.

If you must wear a watch, a G-shock would be acceptable but you're also in a truck by yourself for 14 hours a day and in a truck stop for 2. Who is noticing your fashion or watch?

>>17585369
that the new Tommy Hilfiger watch?

>>17585369
Why does your suit look like rubber? It looks like if water splashed on you it would bead off. hydrophobic ass mf smdh

>>17585369

>>17585384
i already have the top bit down pat, im currently in a dirty grey t shirt, black basketball shorts and boots
but im tired of looking like that, like a slob
i wanna look good for when i get my couple weeks of home time and just feel better about myself since i now have the means to do so

>>17585369
>>17585372
I thought you said you'd look out of place in a suit? You look pretty good for a dude in a Sheetz bathroom.

>>17585369
>>17585386
It's the gigolo sex robot from AI.

All these watch threads and for what?
In the end, there is only Rolex.

>>17585388
idiot
isn’t this a fashion board?

>>17585369
>Manlet
>Black suit
>Terrible dress shoes
>Wedding ring on wrong hand

>>17585369
That suit is 100% polyester

>>17585369
I just feel bad for this guy at this point. Perfect /fa/ gremlin.

>>17585401
>6’1”
>navy suit, poor lighting
>brooks brothers golden fleece oxfords, made by the same cobblers as john lobb
>wedding right on left hand, taking a photo into a mirror

>>17585396
>>17585388
>>17585386
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>>17585378
this actually must be the maddest thread on 4chan. stay made folks
this has to

>>17585390
so your question is
>how do I dress myself
Fashion constantly changes but tracksuits mean you're an urban youth finna go do a crime or a slavaboo looking for something to steal.

Just wear some shorts and a T-shirt you like when its hot, jeans and a longsleeve when its not.

>>17585337
I guess justifying myself defeats the purpose of me asking in the first place but I love how the jaeger-lecoultre look and the mechanical ones would be imo too expensive to wear regularly so that looked like a good compromise

>>17585337
But modern Gay Sexko is shit, you moron

>>17585403
keep trying though

>>17585357
Who cares? Your mum is bought by different males every single day and yet here you are.

>>17585369
>>17585396
>I never go to Rouge city without my dad's watch.

>>17585408
THATS WHAT I ALREADY DO I WANNA LOOK GOOD WHILE DOING UT

Bro >>17585369 how does it feel making these poor fags seethte?
>>17585378
>>17585382
>>17585385
>>17585386
>>17585388
>>17585391
>>17585396

>>17585425
Where is the seethe? I don't see any seething.

>>17585415
>Lining: cupro
Yep, cheap shit

>>17585425
Honestly fun lol
Wait until they find out I’m the anon with $1.6M net worth and $600K household income asking how much to spend on a watch

>>17585369
>belt loops on a suit

>>17585334
Its an ugly shitter from the dark age of swiss watches. If its a proprietary movement it probably costs more to service then a mechanical watch.

>>17585441
post suit

>his watch weighs more than 100g
Disgusting. I've got a bulky automatic movement, on a solid link metal bracelet, and it still only weighs 95g. You have no excuse.

>>17585444
I'm not the kind of retard who post pics of himself on 4chan. I don't need that kind of validation.

>>17585407
>brooks brothers golden fleece oxfords, made by the same cobblers as john lobb

>>17585436
Nobody asked and nobody cares.

>>17585454
my mistake, edward green

>>17585375
That costs significantly less than the Patek I've been looking at.
Anything specific of note with this model or 90's Piaget's in general? I kind of prefer the calatrava's dial with the applied indices.
>>17585314
The seller's reputable enough, and they're offering the Patek certificate thingy with it.
These models just aren't popular at all where I live due to the size.

I can't believe there are still people who are too scared to post themselves here. Nobody cares. Nobody is going to do anything except reply and say you look like a fag.

>>17585427
this sure seems like seething to me:
>>17585458
>>17585454
>>17585428
>>17585401
>>17585382
>>17585378

>>17585369
Looking sharp, anon. Good job cementing your place as one of the most based watchposters in these parts.

>>17585465
Its not, you're coping.

>>17585436
>I'm worth ten gazillion, my dad works for Nintendo, my supermodel wife just gave me a blowjob, shit was so cash

>>17585425
>>17585465
>>17585466
>Samefagging this hard

>>17585468
It’s even funnier when you think it’s made up.
My wife and I are planning to retire from traditional work in February 2025 after the annual bonuses hit the account.

>>17585473
Much appreciated, thanks for doing the check so I don’t have to.

>>17585436
Damn, you can buy a lot of Islanders with that. I recommend the Republic, it might not be as big as your dad's watch but I think it would be a good contrast with your water resistant suit.

>>17585473
Nah.

>>17585477
All the “too big” posters will be glad to know my next watch is probably a 36mm explorer. I want something more casual.
And guess what - I’m gonna put it on a strap. Fuck the oyster bracelet.

>>17585465
I don't think you know what "seething" means. I don't see a definition here that fits any of those posts. Laughter is pretty much the opposite of seething.

>>17585482
Daring today, aren't we?

>>17585482
Really? Man, you are sooo fucking cool, dude. I'm sooo envious. Please, keep posting so we can all see how rich and cool and macho you are

>>17585482
Glad to know our relentless mocking has knocked some sense into you.

What is the most Reddit watch and why is it the Tissot PRX

>>17585463
>Anything specific of note with this model or 90's Piaget's in general?
Im just chatting shit mostly. There was a new old stock one on chrono 24 for a while from the mid 2000s applied indices and i think it was 34 or 35mm but it's gone now. I just like the style but im absolutely not qualified to give purchasing advice on vintage watches. I agree that the patek you posted is a very nice looking watch, nicer the the piaget.

>>17585491
It's not, it's the SKX

>>17585173
Ikr, I thought fuck it I just want a small square that can take a beating, quite happy with it. It's not much bigger than an f91w, just thiccer.

>>17585495
Skx is number one, prx number two. What's 3? Rolex Explorer?

>>17585491
I've been thinking about getting one but I've been thinking twice over plastic unservicable movements and not a lot of variety of colors and features and stuff.

>>17585364
Nice. You're the one sperging about 'is it really your watch if you didn't build it?'

>>17585488
If that’s what you want
>>17585490
Not at all. I’m just going to buy the watches I want to buy. 124270 is up next.

>>17585364
Looks hanky but it sure is thinner alright

>>17585503
forgot pic

>>17585499
I would just buy quartz one.

Tissot probably just replaces the movement rather than bother to service the movement anyway.

>>17585295
Go for it. Buy the seller. The size is perfect for a high end gold dress watch, even if you were a giant. Do a bunch of research, go see it irl. Compare it to other watches of the same ref, don't be afraid to ask questions. Read Alessandro Ciani's website.

>>17585261
Their Submariner clone is still probably one of the best automatic watches you can buy

>>17585254
I have a few Seikos so I like them too. The Kamasu looks pretty slick, and would be my first diver. Around 240 on Amazon

>>17585295
Just make sure it isn't a frankenwatch. You need to look at the movement very carefully, or even better have it independently authenticated.

>>17585502
Yeah, I did make that shitpost. I just think building watches is fun, you get a lot more choice. Modern watches are a rip off from a value standpoint, which is why you can buy some parts from china and build something nicer than you can buy.

>>17585504
Like most watches, it looks better in person, mainly because my camera is shit, and I only spent half a second dabbing it clean. The dial is mother of pearl, but you can barely tell in the photo, just looks kind of smudgy.

>>17585242
I have a pro diver because I wanted a cheap automatic watch, too bad I went tony soprano and bought it in gold (gold invicta, you can't get tackier tan that) so I rarely wear it, but it's a good watch.

>>17585364
Why does it look fucking dirty at the bottom of the dial.

>>17585540
It's dust. The crystal is inset below the bezel so it's a little hard to clean, giving it a quick wipe didn't get right to the edge.

I just like it.

>>17585294
Based and bestchartpilled.

>>17585561
Someone had to.

>>17585364
Nice, I never liked how thick these are

>>17585369
lmao

>>17585561
For me, it's the Zephyr in black

I know it's a long shot from the shitty angle, but does anyone have a guess at what this watch is?

>>17585581
YWNBAW

>>17585581
Could be any of the 50 watches that appear that way. Stop simping for whores.

>>17585251
Lmao poor zoomer. You bi yet? Or you went full YWNBAW?

>>17585561
Looks suspiciously similar to the Longines Sector dial

>>17585586
I'm not simping, I post in a Magic: The Gathering Arena general and someone posted a picture of this girl Voxy that streams the game. When I saw the watch I did a double take - is that a 2 tone datejust? Is being a moderately attractive woman streaming a shitty card game app to a couple hundred one-handed typers on Twitch that profitable?

>>17585236
this watch is coming for my Shen Gong Wu

>>17585600
it's a man first of all

>>17585364
So, you destroyed your watch's submersibility...

>>17585604
How is it a man? It's clearly a woman.

what's a good watch with a lot of complications in the 1000 dollar range?

>>17585614
>in the 1000 dollar range
Try quartz. Mechanical ones are far more expensive.

>>17585600
its a 2-tone who knows. Theres literally like 50 different brands that make a watch identical to that from $50 Casio's to $200 microbrands to $20,000 rolexes. God you're a dumb simp. How much did you pay her?

>>17585613
Makeup like that always makes me suspicious but you're right, no man has a waist to hips ratio like that.

>>17585608
Yeah, it will now only manage 100m, instead of the ??? this chink case is rated for. Worst case, if I do happen to drop it in the Mariana trench, and then somehow recover it at great expense and the lives of 5 good men crushed to death in an experimental sub, I can just spend 50 bucks for a full internal replacement.

Given I'm not planning on going anywhere near the ocean any time soon, I guess this is just a risk I'm going to have to take.

>>17585614
Look into the Casio Oceanus series.

>>17585620
Her make-up is fucking terrible, I don't know why she goes so heavy on it. Even so, when she's not caked up in damn near prosthetic levels of make-up she's obviously female.

>>17585620
it's a corset

>>17585629
>Her make-up is fucking terrible, I don't know why she goes so heavy on it.
Yeah thats a guy. He cakes on the makeup because simps like you pay more. Trying to achieve that instagram filter IRL. And it works because you paid him money.

>>17585619
I obviously know that, I just thought someone might have an idea based on the colors or general shape or something. What would be the steel parts of the bracelet looks really light almost like it's actually a precious metal like platinum or white gold. Did they make a yellow and white gold datejust? Probably not. Maybe it's just fucky lighting, or maybe it's fucking plastic.

I didn't give her shit. If I did I'd be charging that shit back - bitch has a rolex(maybe) so she doesn't need my help.

>>17585635
>>17585630
The guys on the Magic side always say this, too, and I don't get it. Is it some kind of weird cope? I don't watch her, or any streamers at all, so maybe I'm just out of the loop, but I've never seen any convincing evidence she's not female.

>>17585641
>I obviously know that
No you fucking do not or else you wouldn't ask based on 13 pixels of a fuzzy sideshot of a generic watch. Go back to his stream, pay him another $100 and ask him what watch he is wearing and stop asking dumb questions to us.

>>17585628
Nice, thanks

>>17585646
>stop asking dumb questions to us.
post skin tone.

>>17585646
Jesus christ, god forbid someone take a sperg break to actually post pictures of and discuss watches in the watch thread.

>>17585614
max bill mega solar
>half second ticks
>jumping minute (the whole minute advances right as the seconds hit 60)
>pull out the crown and with each click one way you move the hour hand independently. Click it back in and then the hands spin to set it, great for time zone hops
>solar
>radio

only downside is the acrylic is fragile as fuck and doing basic stuff like putting your hand in a laptop bag will get it scratched up. You can get sapphire installed at purchase or later but that's another 300 USD or so

>>17585653
Hey guys what watch is this guy wearing?

>>17585656
>300 bucks to put a 5 dollar crystal in your watch for you
Must be terrible.

>>17585660
Is that William Eilish?

I'm going to get this Casio LCW-M600D-1BJF. I'm going to get it either way, but go ahead and grill me

>>17585509
>>17585514
Thanks for the advice.
I'll have to do that deep dive into learning about it then.
How it works where I live is that people like to use this series of affiliated watchmakers to authenticate forum classifieds purchases. Basically you and the seller agree to meet at one of these centers in the city, you pay the watchmaker to open the watch up and ensure it's all alright and then you can decide whether or not you want to go through with the purchase with the seller.
The seller in question's sold a lot on that forum, so if they were a outright scammer they'd have been outed already. So at least that's something.
Question is whether these centers can be trusted.
It's a few thousand cheaper than chrono24's range of average prices, but I chalk that to the user grade condition and the fact that no one wants this size anymore around here, not even for their mistresses.

>>17585561
I'm gonna LUME

>>17585678
>Uses Miyota hi-beat movement
Hey, you know what other microbrand uses japanese 3rd party movements in their $400-600 watches?

>>17585680
Not him but that's a pretty extensive list.

>>17585680
Are you talking about the amazing islander watches?

>>17585668
Nothing to grill, it's a great watch, i own an LCW-M170DB

>>17585678
>>17585680
>Hesalite cope
It's an acrylic crystal. For $500 you don't even get sapphire crystal. And they give you polywatch to help soothe your cope.

>>17585695
>It's an acrylic crystal. For $500 you don't even get sapphire crystal. And they give you polywatch to help soothe your cope.
Holy shit
Even chinese shitters from aliexpress do better and this thing is $150.

>>17585695
There must be good reasoning right? They talk like they have it all thought out. Maybe they figure since the hesalite crystals are slightly more resilient to breaking when they are struck on a rock or wall or something it's more suited to the world of the classic adventure dude climbing mountains and falling into indiana jones death traps and shit? Maybe you're not as worried about scratch resistance as you are about bashing your watch into shit when you fall down on things.

I got warned for posting about watches in a video game thread, I hope you guys are happy.

>>17585696
The acyrlic crystal looks better on the 1968 to be honest. The sapphire one has a much bigger bezel & shallower dome to it.

>>17585696
The acyrlic crystal looks better on the 1963 to be honest. The sapphire one has a much bigger bezel & shallower dome to it.

>>17585710
tell us the whole story. why did the jannies get mad

>>17585715
Jannies are trannies, they're always mad.

>>17585705
Acrylic crystals tend to have more curved domes to them than sapphire ones, and you don't get the milky ring around the edges.

>>17585695
Sure Sapphire is better but muh milky ring (hesalite speedy owner cope)

Whats the watch equivalent to the fiat multipla

More like COPEalite, amirite?

>>17585735
>fiat
Isn't that one of those cars they serve ice cream out of at the mall?

>>17585732
Waiting for SEIKOPE owners to get ass blasted like they always do

What is the verdict on ostrich leather straps?

>>17585735
Whats the watch equivalent of a Toyota camry? Probably a seiko turtle or something

>>17585742

Ive started building a collection of watches from different decades
Whats the quintessential watch for each era?

>>17585763
By that do you mean invicta homages, or do you mean buying the actual vintage watches?

>>17585754
fugly
looks diseased

>>17585780
sounds like poorfag seething to me.

I want to buy a Smith's watch but the company that owns them does this gay shit where their online store only accepts orders for a few hours every other Sunday and they only have a couple models in stock at a time. Why do watch companies make it so fucking difficult for people to give them money?

>>17585705
>There must be good reasoning right?
Yeah they used plastic crystals because they like them and thought it went with the vintage style they were going for on their watches

>>17585793
I have shell and alligator
ostrich is bought only by fat chinks who think they're being stylish
wear it and cope however you wish
doesn't change matters

Is Ali baba actually good and secure? I've only ever ordered from amazon and walmart for everything I couldn't find local and always perceived alibaba as the chinese likely-to-ship-garbage website and scam you. Am I just myopic?

What's the best Explorer/Datejust cope these days? Should I just get the new BB36 or is there a good HAQ or microbrand in the sub 1k range that would give me decent quality while I save for the real thing? No straight up copies ideally.

>>17585803
>"smiths"
Lol a resurrected name by some salty supposedly ex-soldier cunt in the UK who doxx's customers that want warranty issues dealt with and gets his overpriced shit made in china for a pittance? All this including the stupid selling method and you still want one?

>>17585754
>What is the verdict on ostrich leather straps?
Mid tier unless you buy the meme $400 ones that are handmade by elderly italian virgins.

>>17585811
Use aliexpress, alibaba is for buying 5,000 plastic cups or something else equally absurd.
Aliexpress depends on the shop, some store are sketchy some are fine and reliable, order from stores with lots of sales and a good rating and you will be fine. Pay with a credit card or paypal for extra buyer protection, but aliexpress is pretty good at dealing with issues with their dispute resolution system.

>>17585813
Seiko SRPE57

>>17585815
>doxx's customers that want warranty issues dealt with
That was one customer and both him and the owner were being retarded assholes and having meltdowns on half a dozen different forums insulting each other. Saying he just wanted warranty service is pretty disingenuous.

Rocking the old man watch today

>>17585821
Why the fuck is everything in russian?

>>17585813
I defy anyone to name a better option at a better price point than the Manhasset

>>17585824
give me the qrd

>>17585754
Why would you buy straps/belts with anuses all over them?

How did I do? I pulled the trigger and bought a Casio Lineage. Here's a a random pic of one

>>17585834
>give me the qrd
Guy buys watch from grumpy boomer whatch guy (smiths)
Gets watch, isn't happy with something.
Goes onto smiths forum, starts arguing with smiths fanboys about it.
Smith oner gets involved, offers some kind of resolution.
Guy who bought watch isint happy with resolution, starts making threads on other watch forums and reddit calling smiths guy a scammer
Smiths guy shows up in these threads, argues with owner, i guess at some point uses his first name
Guy runs to reddit crying about being DOXXXED
people that already didn't like smiths owner for being a grumpy boomer pain in the ass with a forum full of sycophant ass kissers add "doxxxing a customer who just had a warranty issue" to their already long list of complaints about him

Did someone ask for another bathroom selfie? Just wait while I get my dad's watch out of the winder.

>>17585834
owner owns the only UK watch forum which him and a clique of sychophants rule with an iron fist
any mention of QC issues with timefactors watches is erased, the user banned and the regulars laugh about it in their superduper secret board only they have access to
some american bitch wants a watch she bought for her husband from tf fixed or returned because it arrived fugged or something, can't remember
owner denies any problem or responsibility
bitch asks for refund
cuntguy posts her name and address on the forum, maybe even her cc deets too, so that his regulars can laugh about it
takes it down when he realises the potential legal ramifications
I think he's also the kind that's threatened to sue those that give his stuff bad reviews
do a search: guy's a complete cunt and accounts abound of difficulties dealing with him if things go wrong
that's the issue: if everything's fine you'd never have to deal with him again, if things don't go well then you're in for hassle all for some homage crap that is hardly unique to his brand.
and the there's these retarded releases as if it's some super duper artisinal product rather than stuff that comes off an assembly line in china
hardly worth it for such generic offerings imo

>>17585850
>>17585843
Damn, maybe I'm lucky he's so resistant to letting me give him money.

>>17585831
>chrono24 watermark
Shame, I actually got excited for a moment.

>>17585861
Your time will come. Don't worry.

>>17585579
Ugh why not one of the real brands that does watches like that?

>>17585865
Define "real brand."

>>17585304
Technology sucks

I've got a quartz Timex Waterbury and the seconds hand doesn't line up with the indices. Is the only way to fix this to fully disassemble and re-press the seconds hand 1/4 second more accurate?

>>17585828
Because you are now Russian, comrade.

>>17585877

>>17585850
Yeah just about every detail you posted about the story is wrong. There are plenty of reasons to dislike the guy without just posting made up bullshit about it.

why didnt you tell me Archie got mugged

>>17585939
*robbed

>>17585840
They really fucked this thing up by making it that huge. Would have been perfect in a 39mm format, and this is coming from someone who dailies an Arnie.

>>17585754
Looks better as boots or a bag. Get stingray.

>>17585955
There is a jdm model that's 38 or 39

>>17585840
You did very well. It doesn't get more comfortable and more functional than that
Captcha: YGGTPH

>>17585357

So they were bought by a member of the master race and your upset?

Is a 38mm watch too big?

>>17585982
No.

>>17585656
>only downside is the acrylic is fragile as fuck and doing basic stuff like putting your hand in a laptop bag will get it scratched up. You can get sapphire installed at purchase or later but that's another 300 USD or so
LOL, LMAO even
Junghans is a joke

>>17585982
It's barely enough size for a man, anything smaller is for women.

>>17585645
that's a male arm, bro, also look at the fucking skeletal structure

>>17585645
That is such an awkward pose, what the hell

>>17585645
Where do you think you are right now? The local pass time for the last 7 years has been manically scrutinizing every woman who doesn't meet your exact standard of beauty, claiming them to be some kind of secret male.

>>17585743
Why do people hate Seiko so much? Because they're so common? Or people why like them are insufferable? I don't get it. In my mind Casio and Seiko are about equivalent, and everyone seems to like Casio.

>>17585859
Go get a baby alpinist and call it a day

>>17586040
It's a meme and just usual 4chan contrarianism

opinions on Casio's Edifice?

>>17586046
4chan isn't contrarian you faggot

>>17586049
lmao

>>17586049
It is. And I'm a contrarian too. Tell me one reason why being a contrarian is a bad thing.

Good taste coming through

>>17586081
ngl that's pretty classy nigga

I wear pic rel everyday and sometimes the calculator CA-53W. Would it be appropriate for business casual or should I get something a little bit fancier? I don't want anything bright/shiny or above 70$. I like the casio AE-1200.

>>17586092
I got this the other day and I like it as a vaguely dressy alternative to the F-91W.

>>17585803
Buying a watch from Timefactors requires such little effort, that people cannot not bother to wake up early on a Sunday makes me think it's just an impulse purchase for them. I waited a few months before this watch came around again for purchase. It was well worth the wait. Trust me bro, you don't need to buy any watch RIGHT THIS VERY MOMENT. Buy a cheap seiko or casio to hold you over if you need that hit.

>>17586097
This post is a cope. Smith's sounding like Rolex kek

>>17586117
No need to cope. Putting time and effort into obtaining the watches you really want is part of the fun of watch collecting.

>>17585705
The poorfag really is not equipped to understand that not everybody is trying to speccmax.
They think every watch should be made of the same type of stainless steel, sporting a sapphire crystal with heaps of anti-reflectant, have a ceramic bezel insert, engraved casebaci, and solid links bracelet with solid endlinks and a miller clasp. Don't ask them why, but ANYTHING thay deviates from that, be it because of design, historical accuracy or plain creativity, they can't understand

ok so i got a good rec earlier for a watch with some complications
but what about a moon phase complication? i really want a moon dial
price range still around 1k

>>17585823
Way too big, especially the crown.

>>17585579
>>17585561
wow lorier are finally making good-looking watches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTTkKcgFApY

>>17586169
There are elements that should always be speccmaxed, and anything else is just cope.

The case should be made of stainless, unless you're using something more expensive, like titanium or precious metals. You're not going to find anything else on anything but the cheapest kids watches anyway. No, ceramic is not acceptable for a watch. It's a cool material, but anything that fractures is not acceptable to make a watch out of, at least sapphire can be replaced. You can't fix a snapped off lug.

Sapphire crystal should be used always. It's cheap and plentiful. Maybe if you want a really thin watch you'd go with plastic, but big domes look like you're still stuck in the 60s so arguments about light reflection don't make sense. The only reason a company wouldn't go with sapphire is if they're trying to fuck you, or the crystal is something they don't want to pay to get made because it's a unique shape.

Bezel inserts, ceramic is the best and should always be chosen, unless the insert has to be extremely thin, in which case it's a breaking hazard. Ceramic is really hard to scratch, so it looks good for way longer and you don't have to worry about daily wear.

Caseback engravings are a gimmick, I don't care about them. Same with exhibition shit. Make the caseback as thin as you can as far as I'm concerned.

Bracelets should always be solid links at this point. They're cheap to produce and feel better. Same with end links. Milled clasps, I can take or leave. They're often heavier and offer no more strength over a pressed clasp, so I would consider these a gimmick to make the watch feel more "premium".

>>17585834
I've told this story before, but here goes. I sent him an email for a new crystal once and he literally told me the guy who made them had had a heart attack and died lol. Called him once with a question and have never had a more stressed out person on the phone, it was pretty hilarious. This all happened before I even knew about his reputation.

Tldr; he's a cunt

>>17585896
What's incorrect about this? I vaguely recall the incident that that's basically how I remember it.

>>17586138
>shitters in a box
why lmao

Any nice enamel watches that look like the stowa marine classic? I figured if I was gonna get a dressier watch I might as well get the real thing.

Who is spamming all these gay islander watches?
Kill yourself, faggot.

>>17585248
I wouldn’t object to it if Teddy didn’t shill it so much about how it’s “the best value for money watch” as that metropolitan cuck looks down on you.

>>17586169
If anybody understands compromise it's poor people. I'm rich, god dammit, I want it all! And I want it now!

>>17585248
>>17586234
>>17585254
Why do they recommend that one instead of the mako? Isn't that the old standby orient everyone used to own and shill?

>>17586097
If it was just a matter of "waking up early on a Sunday" it wouldn't be an issue. It's also that it might only be open 1 or 2 Sundays a month and you'll never know when the item you actually want to buy will be coming up for sale until days before when you get a newsletter telling you what's up for sale. It's bullshit. If you could just do a fucking preorder so they'd send you what you want as it comes available it wouldn't be an issue.

>>17586003
If that's a man's arm he really needs to work out.

>>17586249
They aren't currently selling the mako in their stores.

>>17586224
Roman numerals are gay. You probably don't even speak latin, poser.

>>17586040
>In my mind Casio and Seiko are about equivalent, and everyone seems to like Casio.

The difference is Casio offers great watches at a reasonable price point. Seiko sell $2000 watches with the shitty 6R movement which is insane. Their quality control issues have just been accepted as part of the charme. The 6R is an inconsistent mess.
How they get away with not regulating them in $2000 watches is beyond me.
Seiko dick riders are the most insufferable people in the watch world. Every fucking release gets cute little autistic nicknames like turtle, samurai, willard, arnie, tuna, monster omg Im consooooooming.
They offer $800 watches with shitty hardlex right now.

I own a Seiko diver and it has the usual issues like misaligned bezel and chapter ring. But haha bro that's just part of owning a Seiko.
They are a joke company, the quintessential meme watch.
If they offered their watches at the same price point casio do plus $50 extra for having their shitty mechanical movements in them nobody would say anything negative like with casio.

>>17586270
>re-release kang seiko
>6r
roru
shamfur dishpray

>>17586040
It's just swiss shitters seething. Only mountain jews are allowed to jack up prices and sell garbage because they're god's chosen people, if anyone else does it they're evil.

>>17586280
Are there modern swiss automatic watches being produced today that don't have sapphire crystal?

>>17586283
Yes? I don't know why you thought this was a good point to try and make, hell, swatch make autos with plastic cases.

>>17586280
>>17586287

this guy just read how annoying seikocels are and decided to prove that point

Do you think people in 1920 were like:
>Hans did you hear about the new micro brand shitter that got released last week
>Jawohl, imagine buying a Rolex shitter when there are actual brands with hertiage out there lmao

>>17586304
of course

>>17586304
No.
Watches of any kind were still expensive and many men were still using pocket watches they bought at a jeweler. More money got you a better gold case instead of silver or even gunmetal. Really expenisive accurate movements (naval chronometers) weren't really accessible to even those that bought solid gold hunter cased pockets with say a repeater mechanism. Wristwatches wouldn't have shock resistant balances for another 20-25 years so they were finicky, fragile shits.
Watches were tools and if you had more money the case would be made out of a more valuable metal. Though more people wore watches then there are probably more people today that know and care, or claim to give a shit, about the movement than ever before.

>>17585236
WHO MADE THIS?

>>17586280
they hate him because he speaks the truth

seiko makes nerds feel bad for buying anything else

>>17586311
Your modern watch consumer understands less about the movement than the man a hundred years ago, all they care about is the name printed on the dial.

>>17585236
sex

>>17586092
Yeah it's fine for business casual. I like the A700 and the A1000, but that may be too "shiny".

I would not recommend a bulky digital watch like a Gshock or other chonky "built tough" thing

>>17585665
If you can put a curved sapphire crystal on my watch for anywhere close to 5 dollars please let me know

>>17586040
Seiko and Casio were once both super reliable shitters that did the job. Seiko's attempted to move upmarket though and so now you have buttloads of basic shitters for $1000-$5000. There's basically very little to no Casio equivalent "haha here's a $10-$100 fun shitter that's got a different vibe and also tells the time pretty well"

And for that kind of money for a basic ass watch with questionable movement you raise the question "why the fuck not just save a little and get a Rolex ROLEX ROLEX?"

>>17586398
/wt/ is convinced sapphire crystals are $5 never bothering to ask why every watch under $300 has a mineral crystal. To buy 1 they're about $30-50. Yes if a manufacturer is making 10,000 watches they get a bit of a bulk wholesale discount but there MUST be a reason watches at the $50-250 price point just do not include a sapphire crystal and I refuse to believe its because the sapphire is $6 more than a mineral crystal.

>>17586376
>Your modern watch consumer understands less about the movement than the man a hundred years ago
a century ago a consumer would've not known nor given a shit
same as today

>>17586415
>To buy 1 they're about $30-50
I've literally posted an image of them for sale around the 10 dollar mark, you moron. And those crystals are even made in Japan, and have AR.

>there MUST be a reason watches at the $50-250 price point just do not include a sapphire crystal
Because they want to save 6 bucks. And it helps the more expensive watches seem like they have more "value", because that's the only way you can get a "fancy" sapphire crystal. I'm sorry you don't like reality.

>>17586376
That’s interesting and might be true. I think enthusiasts are much more informed now than they used to be though if only because you now have the ability to learn basically everything about watches if you have the patience and intelligence for it. AFAIK Breguet wasn’t giving lectures back in the day, but you can read Daniels on Watchmaking and learn exactly how to make a masterpiece (even though you won’t be able to). I think the niche of turbo autists who are super into watchmaking might be growing, just not as quickly as the hypebeasts who want le ebin Tiffany dial Nautilus.

>>17586421
how much is shipping and tax on those bad boys?

>>17586424
I think it was about 5 bucks? I bought a few other things at the same time.

If they can sell to individuals at 15 bucks, think about how cheap these things are to big companies. Manufacturing sapphire isn't that complex, neither is machining it.

>>17586417
Presumably a consumer would know how to wind a watch and expect to need to wind it, but yeah otherwise I think that's correct. I mean hell, how would you even KNOW about watches other than being in Switzerland or London or New York and having the kind man at the watch shop tell you about them? Otherwise your wealthy grandpappy in New York/Chicago/major city at the time went to the nice jeweler and bought it because it was the nice thing they had in the case.

>>17586425
>Manufacturing sapphire isn't that complex, neither is machining it.

Not when you can invest it cranking out 10s of thousands of these things. Same as how you can make computer chips for a couple bucks- doesn't make the computer chips only worth that.

>>17586430
You really think the technology to produce computer chips is as simple as the stuff to make sapphire? New chips require new design processes and new R&D work. Sapphire is just a rock. You press it into shape and then grind it down, the only cost is in replacing abrasives and raw material. Maybe at one point it was harder to work with, but these days CNC manufacture makes it trivial.

>>17585436
EVERY DAY
MILLIONAIRE!

Thinking about getting pic rel. will the normies at the office make fun of me for having a grandpa watch?

>>17586421
Why is reality so short sighted and retarded? I guarantee if you asked almost anybody if they'd prefer to pay $12 more for the same watch with a sapphire crystal they'd agree without a second thought. Unironically that's a large part of the reason I buy Islanders instead for shitters. Paying the same price and actually getting the basic barebones features just feels like the correct thing to do.
>JUST INSTALL YOUR OWN SAPPHIRE! JUST REGULATE YOUR OWN WATCH! BE YOUR OWN FULL TIME WATCHMAKER!
No. I'm not fixing a company's shitty product out of the box for them. If I can't buy a watch and nut it on and wear it out immediately without fucking with it I'm not buying it. That's bullshit.

>>17586442
You still work in an office? At a cubicle and think people notice what you're wearing?

>>17586426
Yup. Or they saw the ad in a gazette or something.

>>17586445
Except you can get a chink watch with sapphire for a hell of a lot cheaper.

My 30 dollar watch case came with sapphire as standard. That should give you some idea as to how cheap sapphire is.

>>17586453
Then why don't ALL watches come with a sapphire crystal and simply charge $10 more for even more profit?

>>17586460
Because you make a LOT more profit by selling sapphire as a "premium" option on watches that cost 200+ more dollars. That's why they offer it as an "upgrade" for 300 bucks.

Would you pay $1600 for a watch named "Shinola?"

>>17586460
are you really that naive?

>>17586421
>>17586415
>never bothering to ask why every watch under $300 has a mineral crystal

Let's say Seiko puts a sapphire on their normal Turtles/Samurai/Monster and charges $30 more.
Then their King Samurai/Turtle/Monster that's $200 more expensive has no right to exist anymore. Nobody would buy them simply for the ceramic bezel.
They need to have their tier system to sell more. Can't just put good specs on cheap watches.
If Seiko put better movements into their 6R line then they would fuck themselves over on their higher end lines.
It's always about protecting their own collections from cannibalizing other collections.

>>17586442
The normies at your work won't have a strong opinion on it one way or the other. People that have some basic knowledge about watches will know that you're based though.

>>17586453
That's the point I'm making though - if I'm already not buying your mineral or acrylic shitter because I can get sapphire for the same price or less from a literal nobody brand, why on earth would I pay a premium to get your gitty watch in sapphire? Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to just make the price more competitive and treat customers in that price range right so that when they have the money for a high end watch they might actually consider your higher end watches instead of going to Tudor or Omega or Rolex or whoever? By the time Seiko customers get to that level they know what to expect from your shitty quality control and how frugal you are with the most basic materials and features. They're not going to pay good money for a Grand Seiko after you shat on them while they were coming up. That's exactly why Grand Seiko isn't as highly regarded as it could be for the history and progress Seiko has made with their technology.

>>17586442
imagine being in the market for a 20 thousand dollar watch, and come to fucking 4chan to ask opinions about it

>>17586475
>Wouldn't it make a lot more sense to just make the price more competitive and treat customers in that price range right so that when they have the money for a high end watch they might actually consider your higher end watches instead of going to Tudor or Omega or Rolex or whoever?
this nigger thinks companies give a shit about the consumer lmao

>>17586461
>>17586465
Okay that makes sense for already established brands. Why not be that new microbrand company that aims for growth by offering really premium materials at reasonable prices? Say you made a clone of popular watches with sapphire, hacking, and all the other features watch nerds love but for 50% less. Wouldn't your company be selling so much product other companies would get fucked?

>>17586475
Lol dude it's just monopoly money.

>>17586465
Funny you mention ceramic, because on that same 30 dollar watch case? You guessed it, ceramic bezel.

>>17586475
Because everyone has agreed to not compete. It's only recently that the chinks and chink derived microbrands are showing how big of a scam the watch business is, by offering things at sane prices.

Everyone who made watches got together and said "let's not put sapphire on anything under 200 bucks". Now retards like you think that sapphire is something "premium", when it's a rock that is only slightly harder to make than mineral glass. Wait till you find out about light bulbs.

>>17586479
No, because watches sell primarily by BRAND. People want a Rolex, they don't want a San Martin.

>>17586463
>Made in Detroit
Thats their entire schtick. They make bland watches and plaster their marketing material of made in the US/Detroit and downplay every part comes from japan, china, taiwan, or switzerland. Its really just assembled there. Also a very historic name that goes back what? 100 or so years?

>>17586445
What's the nut resistance on an Islander anyways? In meters if you can.

>>17586445
>I buy Islanders instead [of] shitters.
Anon, I...

>>17586445
>I buy Islanders instead for shitters
Will you finally post some pictures of these Islander watches you supposedly own or will you just keep shilling them with stock photos from their website?

>>17586451
Even this ad kinda shows the weird choices of watch manufacturers back then. Every watch but the platinum case one has seconds. You pay $100 or maybe over $200 for platinum and they don't even give you seconds. Yeah, the platinum one is thinner, but that still begs the question of why not offer a thicker platinum case watch with one of the movements with seconds? And why not offer the thinner no-seconds movement in cheaper cases with lower cost metals? Even back then there was apparently some kind of effort by the manufacturer to muscle customers into certain directions based on materials and features they wanted.

>>17586477
They should, because that's why I'm not fucking buying Seikos. The brand must be held up entirely by sycophants at this point, who can't be reasoned with.

>>17586479
Yeah, you'd have to be an idiot to think Marc isn't making a killing off of LIW.

>>17586501
I don't know who mark or LIW is.

>>17586490
Is it honestly going to stop you from freaking out about islander posting? What are you even going to do?
>Oh, he actually does own some $200 watches, I can finally rest

>>17586503
You're missing out on the best place to buy hand curated high value inexpensive automatic watches from a wide selection of brands.

>Fantastic timepiece. The weight and feel of this watch is just right on your wrist. You can feel the quality that went into building this stout timepiece. Not to mention that it immediately grabs the attention of anyone in the room. The first day I wore my wandering hour I was at a training event and beautiful women just kept touching and asking about my watch.
>I had no choice but to answer and entertain them until the end of the evening.
so what's up up with this brand? i think the watch is cool but these blatantly fake reviews are sketchy

>>17586490
I just find it interesting that you have been posting about those shitters for months without ever providing proof that you even own one. My suspicion is that you don't even own one but are just shilling it for a paycheck or for the lulz. Either way, you're a mentally ill faggot.

>>17586507
Okay. Where is this magic place I can buy inexpensive high quality watches?

>>17586498
Seiko has one thing going for them: the same market mindset that buys 20 mechanical keyboards, 40 funko pops, 5 different sennheiser headphones. It's the reddit/forum enthusiasts that love buying shit. These people love different color variations of the same watches thats why so many redditors own multiple turtles with different dials. Seiko recognized that market and went all in.
The same idiots will buy Grand Seikos one day.
They got this tier system figured out, so your average consoomer can climb the ladder
>Seiko 5
>Seiko Turtle
>Seiko King Samurai
>Seiko 6R line
>Seiko 9R line
>Grand Seiko

>>17586511
Meant for >>17586506

>>17586513
https://longislandwatch.com/

>>17586517
Doesn't seem very cheap for what you're getting. They sell one of the knock-off Sea-Gull watches for 325 for example, while you can get it for under 200 on AliExpress.

When did it become cool for companies to make oversized dress watches? Recommend me a dress watch under $1000, ≥40mm, with a sapphire crystal please.

>>17586511
>>17586515
I do the same on every board I post in. I grab photos from the internet of stuff I have or that I'm talking about as references instead of posting pictures of my personal stuff. There are a number of reasons for that like not wanting to give away too much of my identity or what kind of shit I have, but the main reason is it's not worth the effort of taking the shit out and doing all the photography and making sure the pictures are good just to eventually post them for retards like you that pretend it's going to prove something when you and I both know you're going to continue to act like a fucktard over whatever triggered you anyway. Every single thread it happens in it goes exactly the same way, I've seen it hundreds of times over 20 years
>"Post [material good] faggot!"
>*anon posts [material good]*
>"LMAO HE ACTUALLY DID IT HE SEEKS VALIDATION FROM ANONS ON THE INTERNET LMAO!"
>Or, alternately, "Yeah but *continues making a wrong fucking argument like he wasn't just shown why he's a retard.*"
Nobody really wins and nothing changes, because it was never about the object for you. It was about trying to get to me, or about trying to be right about something on the internet.

>>17586463
Shinola has gotten in trouble with the FTC before for putting MADE IN USA on their marketing materials when at best they case movements into fully assembled watches in Detroit.

>>17586463
these watches are assembled by black people. a black person will have handled it at some point before it gets to you.

>>17586517
I saw 2 watches I liked but ultimately were clones of already existing ones for more money somehow. Their website sucks and their shits all retarded.

>>17586514
How are king samurai and turtle different tiers?

>>17586530
How many watches get stolen by the employees at the factory?

>>17586095
That is not dressy in the slightest unless you're the Pope

>>17586530
I'm sure Rolex and their dealers employ black people.

>>17586536
Yeah, the website does suck - it doesn't make any sense to have a separate listing for every single color variant of the same watch like it's a separate product. It makes it difficult and confusing to find stuff.

>>17586527
Autistic faggot

>>17586557
That's the price you pay when making deals with amateurs I guess kek

Someone bake a new one

>>17586557
That's what most actual watch companies do too though

>>17586521
Part of what you're buying when you buy jewelry is the seller. That's always going to be the case, the lower a seller goes on price the more corners they're cutting. The aliexpress watches might not even be new watches, they could be returns or watches assembled from parts or maybe not even genuine watches. China in particular has really bad consumer rights ethics where they consider it to be the responsibility of the buyer to vet the quality of a product before accepting it and paying for it, so as long as they ship you a heap of garbage vaguely resembling what you actually ordered they can't be held responsible for sending you garbage. ANd forget about customer service and warrantee.

>>17586543
>t. seething redditor concerned his seiko shitter might be the wrong power level

>>17586570
Nah I just sold my first and only seiko and I'm not interested in another.

>>17586566
You think they're receiving so many returns that they're just shipping them back out most of the time?

The delusion on display from people who really, REALLY, don't want to face up to reality is insane.

Look, I paid 30 bucks for a watch case. Nothing wrong with it. You think it's hard for a chink to take that "30 dollar" case, slap a movement and dial in it, and sell it for 80 bucks? And all you have to fall back on is shit like "customer service", when ali will give you a refund instantly if you complain about anything? Watches are just much cheaper to make than you've been led to believe.

>>17586586
They might not even be their returns. They could have acquired them in warehouse clearances or from other sellers relessing shit that was returned to them. You have no idea where their shit comes from. And to your point, yeah, it's easy to put any movement in any case and ship it. That's part of the problem.

>>17586566
These watches are made in China, my shilling friend. On AliExpress you can literally buy them straight from the manufacturer with free shipping and free returns if there's any warranty issue.

new thread

>>17586593
>>17586593
>>17586593

>>17586586
>Watches are just much cheaper to make than you've been led to believe.
everything is, plebbitor, the point of a Rolex isnt because its worth every penny it's to make poorfags like you froth at the mouth

>>17586590
Right, right, all these tens of thousands of watch cases in china are all from warehouse clearances. Nobody is just, you know, making them. And selling them for a profit at the 30 dollar market.

>>17586590
That's why you should buy frome reputable brands like Orient, Seiko or Casio at this price point.
You never know where guys like Mark, TGV or Chris Ward get their shit

>>17586590
>yeah, it's easy to put any movement in any case and ship it.
So on aliexpress right now, you can get a watch case for 30 bucks. You can get an NH35 for 30 bucks. You can get a dial and hands for about 15 bucks.

And you don't think it's possible for a company to just put those pieces together at wholesale costs and sell a watch that costs 80 bucks and still makes money because the margins are still good enough? Nothing stops you from taking the back off the watch and looking at the movement.

>>17586555
Far less probable.

>>17586260
I meant to post the Arabic numeral one. sorry.

>>17585369
don't listen to these fags, you look alright man!