/fa/ - Fashion

from the previous thread
>>17429550

>does anyone have a good heuristic about when you should buy a true luxury watch?
>
>some background, i'm late 20s, married, about to have a newborn, more than half way paid off my mortgage in a nice area in Australia, $160,000 software engineer salary and I want a rolex datejust (approx. $12-14,000).
>
>Is this an outrageous purchase? I'm in two minds because for one, it's < 10% of my annual salary on the other hand it's a lot of money for what is really a fashion accessory.

I originally wanted the junhgans max bill chronoscope but the lack of a running seconds has me considering the regular 3 hand version

>>17429575
Idk man - I made an enough money that the Tudor Black Bay I like would be <5% of my salary after tax even and I still don’t know if I’ll buy it. I hate spending money on myself, and frankly I still feel too young to wear one. Wearing an actual Rolex would just feel ridiculous to me, like showing up to the office wearing an Hermes tie or something.

COPE
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>>17429575
>>17429595
Just buy your watches, don't be pussies.

what would you buy with this much money?

>>17429601
Nothing past $5k, so a Tudor or Omega

>>17429601
Go full thug and buy a gold Royal Oak.

>>17429601
depends
do you already own apartment/house and a car?
if no then a cheap gshock
if yes then I think anything up to 5% of your savings account is fair game, i'd probably fo for prx personally

Don't tell me me; you NEED more?

>>17429637
>>17429604


Soulless

>>17429627

Soulful

I'm wearing a Timex
Worst part is pic related
Second worst is not showing the day of the week
What can I replace it with that's actually quiet? Seiko 5? Citizen something?

>>17429595
Have a decent amount of savings and wanting to buy a watch around 5k instead of buying shutters but I'm in the same boat. Would be an omegay and like you say, less than 10 percent of my salary or 5 percent of savings but I feel too young to get one not even being 25 yet.

I know there has to be better pictures out there. Anyone got an ID on his watch? Looks like it has a bronze case to me

>>17429652
Literally impossible to tell with such a low quality picture. Either find a better image or don't bother next time.

>>17429652

>>17429652
>>17429654
Who's the faggot?

>>17429604
>>17429637
Why are you two so dickless??

>>17429641
No but I would like more

>>17429649
Hush my little dumpling, there’s nothing wrong with getting a used omega. Don’t let the memes take your dignity. It’s ok, the watches are good and not always cope. Or you could find a blancpain for a little more, get a Sinn, Breitling, etc.

Absolutely sickening you guys don’t spend all of your savings on watches btw, really disheartening, and frankly I’m very disappointed.

>>17429664
some politician from america the man getting his face grabbed was mad at the people sitting in that row for not voting for his guy.
The case looks like it has welded lugs I think it may be a ALS or other high end german watch

Can someone explain to me why these Fashion brands that dont make their own watches are in our based redpilled horology cope chart? weird??
Ive circled a few for you.

>>17429649
since you are so young your watch will probably get beat up quite a bit. I would get a 1-2k watch from the entry level luxury or quasi luxury section of the cope chart and use that to learn how to take care of a nice mechanical watch. If you do get a 5k watch get a sports model from a big brand that can take a beating and get easily serviced

And George Santos wears a ... Santos.

Nice watch though.

what stainless steel integrated sports watch would be appropriate for a college student to wear (if you say PRX i will kill you irl)

I want a speedy so bad bros. Too bad I'm in a third world shithole and it'll take me around 3-4 years to save up for it. Sapphire sandwich is my grail watch. It'll be my one watch collection, after I get this, I'll throw away all my shitty casios and timexes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TkGsVGGzTw

>>17429730
Ok I won't say anything

>>17429753
it really is like someone combined a royal oak and an overseas and sucked out any personality

>>17429754
It's a good thing I have enough personality for my watch and me.

>>17429779
projecting onto your watch is fucking weird but if you say so dawg

>>17429781
project what now? It was just a jest.

>>17429601
>liquid funds
yikes

>>17429753
can you do a a shot slightly tilted, so that it is more clear how thick it extends from the wrist? It's only 11mm, but I prefer slim watches and you can even make an 11mm look very chunky

How bad are the watch subreddits? Is there any decent one?

>>17429812
I'm here because their watch related subs are extremely shit. Shittier than this thread, but at least we have our schizos that I actually like.

>>17429812
>he has to ask

Mfw night time

>>17429805

>>17429832
ugly ass hands

Who would you give more respect?
>The anon that has all the icons. (Submariner, Explorer, Speedmaster, Calatrava, etc...) and has ticked ALL the important boxes, but has nothing unexpected, or
>The anon who has spent probably as much, but all his watches are obscure to a certain degree and can't be easily recognizable.

>>17429851
No respect for rich retards.

>>17429851
I respect the one that made informed purchases on watches they loved

>>17429836
that's perfect, thanks

I've just been promoted and tempted to buy new watch. But I don't work anywhere fancy, it's public sector. The fanciest watch I've seen has been a Tudor. I'm currently wearing a Seiko 5. What's the best small watch I can get for around 500 - 1000 gbp?

>>17429851
the one that buys the watches they like and not the watches they think they need to like.

>>17429601
Rolex.
Don't need anything else. They make the best watches in the world.

>>17429851
>>17429857
this. collecting icons is just spending money on a list of items. there is nothing impressive about it, no individuality, no refined taste.

>>17429863
lmfao just draw a fucking watch on poorfag

>>17429570

nigga

>>17429872
embarrassing stuff

>>17429878

thank you

>>17429872
So cringe
LOL

Jelly faggot?

>>17429851
The second one, as I feel that would be the guy who buys what he likes and doesn't care at all about other opinions.

>>17429855
Cry more, welfare bitch

>>17429917
what is the AD wearing?

>>17429918
>Cry more, welfare bitch
What welfare?

>>17429917

didn't you even buy it.

>>17429917

did you even buy it

Should I buy the Seiko SSK001 or is it too thicc.

>>17429957
Too thick. Not a real GMT. Not actually as waterproof as the design suggests.

>>17429932
>>17429931

>>17429977
xd

>>17429917
nice invicta homage

Budget is around 6-7k
Diver preferably
Automatic or hand wound
At least 20BAR otherwise I don’t mind complications
Bracelet
Maximum 42mm case diameter and maximum 50mm lug to lug.

>>17430019
yeah im sure you need 20BAR to shower with your watch on

>>17430019
look at the Tudor watches

>>17429869
kek

>>17429678
If he's not wearing a fake Santos, he has no sense of irony.

>>17430033
I live 1km away from a beach and would like to take it for a swim now and then.

>>17430019
Tudor Black Bay 58.

>>17430059
yeah bro that 20bar is absolutely mandatory to tread water 10ft away from the shore

>>17430071
If you're just going to be a pussyhole about it, at least be original, don't use jokes from r*ddit.

>>17430101
pussyhole is exactly how i would describe someone who thinks he needs a diver to go swimming with a watch.

>>17430105
When you can afford a watch that's better than a tissot or a hammy you might come to understand why more water resistance is a good thing

>>17430113
coping so soon? that was fast.

>>17430125
what am I coping about? the realization that I'm in a thread full of le wrong decade fedora lords who think sneakers, dive watches, and hoodies are for children?

>>17430127
there there child, no need for whining

want to get a leather band, what are some decent bands at a reasonable price? found some popular leather bands on amazon from Fullmosa, Barton, Ritche, for 17$-30$, are they good?

>>17429601
stocks and bonds with more of a tilt towards bonds today than normally

someone ordered a muff diver watch not too long ago, did it arrive yet?

>>17429570
I bought a Casio A-158wea-9 and I feel like a retard, sure the head of the watch is nice, but the strap is complete cheap garbage, feels like some plastic shit. Might have I received a fake or are they always like that? It feels like the strap is fake, unlike an old quartz Seiko I have (which was cheap as well), fug

>>17430229
Just chincy garbage, put it on a mesh

>>17430229
>he fell for it
There's a reason people say go for F-91W or nothing. Cheap steel bracelet on a plastic watch is brainlet tier. Should've at least gotten their recent classics line with steel case and milanese bracelet.

>>17430229
You should have bought a f91w, it's the blue the chanel of watches.

>>17430241
I just liked how it looked, didn't think much about it :(
Guess I'll try changing the bracelet someday, I like the head

Is MONTA worth it? I kinda want that nice skyquest watch. Anybody in here that owns it and can chip in with an opinion?

>>17430282
GMT master cope with an even uglier numerical font than modern GMT masters

>>17430239
do you think one like this would suit it or should I try to get one decent steel one?

>>17430292
No, just return it and try again later.

It’s unreal how a Tudor from 60 years ago is so much more soulful than a Rolex submariner

>>17430297
don't bully me

>>17430313
You bought a two-tone casio and are dissapointed with it, it wasnt to bully (hard). Maybe buy a twotone metal bracelet to salvage it?

>>17430313
>>17430314
image is from r*dditpost I found

>>17430291
>it's a rolex cope!
Just shut the fuck up you spastic nigger.

>>17430267
I actually have an a158 that I put an Amazon solid link bracelet on and it feels much better

>>17430318
But anon, the design language is very much borrowed from Rolex

Not the guy you replied to tho, I haven’t heard anything about the watch you posted.

Good day, noob reporting in. Want to get into watches, but dont know better. Only had bargain citizen and an indestructible kinda rare gshock.
Is seiko alpinist a good first "real" watch? I checked out tissot, mido, some lacroix dude, constant, and said seiko in price range of 600-1200 bucks, and besides said alpinist everything felt flimsy, clumsy and maybe somewhat tacky. Any advice? Should I check other watch brands like hamilton or longines and not act outright impulsive? I think I can spend up to 2k bucks, maybe a bit more.
I believe I like clean decently robust looking watches, but divers are too much.
Everyday use is the name of the game.

>>17430337
Entry level is 6-8k, get a job.

>>17430337
Genuinely sounds like you would be upset with anything other than rolex

>>17430337
>Is seiko alpinist a good first "real" watch?
No. Buy a Casio then save up $10k for an entry level Rolex.

>>17430340
Nigga, I'm from baltics, decent salary here is maybe 1.3-1.4 eur on average. No 7k watches for me as of yet.

>>17430354
>I'm from baltics

>>17430350
Prolly not, like I said, I dont know shit.
>>17430351
Okay, allready am on track so it seems. Atleast, the casio part.

>>17430359
Unironically have some tracksuits.

>>17430354
>>Nigga, I'm from baltics, decent salary here is maybe 1.3-1.4 eur on average.
Ok? That's 5 times more than I have to live on, what's the problem?

>>17430368
How come, anon? You manage to live on 250 bucks?

>>17430145
??

>>17430370
No, I'll have to kill myself in a year or so.

>>17430378
No man, dont do it. Selferasing is the bottom of the barrel last ditch desperation affair. You gonna be fine

>>17430384
How? I literally don't have any income, and whatever I can get in my shit country is shit, my health is fucked, I will never look decent because of it so I can't really talk to people, what the fuck can I do? No one is going to help me with anything ever, and when my savings run out that's it.

>>17430386
Were are you from, fren? Whats your med condition? You have any alive relatives/friends, who are not assholes?

>>17430384
You should only kill yourself if you genuinely like and buy grand s o y k o.

>>17430389
>You have any alive relatives/friends, who are not assholes?
If I had any I wouldn't be crying and posting about my shit life would I, I'd be posting watches like everyone else.

>>17430393
The same seiko but 5x more expensive? My cheap ass cant see the reason to do so. Although, maybe some know it all watch bigbrain will explain to me whats the big deal.

>>17430395
Allrighty, so it seems that you have to rely on yourself completely, it happens. What about your diagnosis? Are you disabled and cant get a simple job to get by at the moment and ease your mind?
Also, you are posting on albanian bootleg jigsaw board, that means you have some time on your hands. Maybe you can learn some skill online, or find a simple remote type work.

>>17430406
Ok, I'll pay you $250 to find me a "simple remote type work" that I can do in Romania without going through too much paperwork and that isn't camwhoring.

>>17430409
wtf Romania is based, join the mafia retard

>>17430409
Try getting into crypto or nfts. Worth a try. I unironically know a guy from romania snd he makes good money with that shit. But hey, I also know like 8 guys who lost major cash, so dunno. If not, I bet some telecommunication companies always need phone/chat monkeys, admins.
Also, like I said, reevaluate yourself. If you are not dissabled, you probably can get a simple irl job. And why are you afraid of paperwork?

>>17430413
How? What does "getting into crypto" mean exactly? How do I register a company for it? Am I supposed to just give my info to coinbase and cheat on taxes? Where does the money come from, do I just buy $50 of a random coin and hope it will go to $5000? I can just go bet on sports...

>>17430413
>If you are not dissabled, you probably can get a simple irl job.
Must be nice living in a rich country with a good economy where you just go and get a job without being in the right political party, the right family, sucking the right cock, etc.

>>17430420
The fuck? I'm from latvia, we are miles from "good economy" state. And dont let me burst your snowflake bubble, "nice" jobs are the same everywhere. I'm talking about simple jobs, postman, cargo loader operator, cleaning service, driver, fucking cashier. Better than rotting with no use or plan. Doubt you have to be in a right political party or from right family to get a simple job.
>>17430413
Lmao, aint crypto made for avoiding taxes? Research your stuff, trade, maybe hope for said 100x on shitcoins, order a crypto card, wirhdraw modest amounts on it, use your brain. I'm just giving you general advice, and you honestly need to always put some effort, read up on everything in life.

>>17430433
>I'm talking about simple jobs, postman, cargo loader operator, cleaning service, driver, fucking cashier.
So am I. And you can't really live on that salary even if you have an uncle to hire you.

>>17430433
Meant for
>>17430418

>>17430433
>I'm just giving you general advice
I don't need advice, I need help.

>>17430434
You said you are getting by on 250 bucks. I think postman recieves more than that. And are you sure, you have to be a "made guy" to be a warehouse worker in romania?

>>17430409
>sign up with PSD
>become disabled spokeperson and make cute little wheelchair ramps and pavements (we all need them anyway)
>get awarded 5-7 "jobs" as reward
>buy nice watch
simple really

>>17430444
I'm literally not spending any money on anything, I'm sitting here in rotting clothes from 20 years ago dude.

And sure, you can be a postman if you have family, if you have a wife with a job, if you inherited property (which a majority of the people did), and then you still live a shitty existence not worth living. I don't have any of that. Every expense for a single man is double, if I wanted to spend 90% of the postman salary on a place to live on, it would be the same kind of place I could live in with a girlfriend and then it would be just 45%... but no one wants a disfigured person do they.

>>17430440
Advice is help. If you are hoping that someone will give an a to b solution or just give you money, besides your mother (not a guarantee), I'm sad to say, you are wrong. I had a very tough period in life not so long ago, only your own will and ability to absorb info and decide how to act accordingly will help you. You cant just wait for ultimate instant solution from some santa claus. Come on now son, you are better than this.

>>17430445
Good analysis, that's how it looks to someone from the outside who doesn't know that this person's dad was in securitate so their life path has been predetermined. Otherwise they'd rot in the streets.

>>17430451
>If you are hoping that someone will give an a to b solution
Why not? Anyone can give generic non-advice. Sorry you're a shit person and don't believe there's anyone better than you in the world. At least you have your money.

>>17430410
>join the mafia retard
Says the guy that probably weep and shit himself if he ever gets caught with a even a stolen lighter.

>>17430453
honestly though it sucks being in Romania for this kind of thing but in the west you can milk the disability in every way you want, either social benefits or "raising awareness" for an ngo. huge victim business out there. except cant get an expensive atch cos they will call you an untrustworthy fraud

>>17430448
Listen, guy, its tough when you have some sort of defect, but a man is the sum of what he can overcome. I listen to you, and I feel you are drowning in overcomplication and selfpity, and its a downwards spirtal. I get it, Its not the best situation. And yeah, postman salary wont give you a penthouse. But its sure as shit better than where you are now, aint it? Modest beginings, son. Besides, stop thinking about extremes such as "no instant lambo-not worth it" and "muh girlfriend, muh life with girlfriend". Focus really on your own shit and how to get it together, and you youreself will feel better even with modest wins such as coming up with some sort of short term plan. Maybe not lambo, maybe no emma stone for you, but no fucking rotten grave of pathetic selfpity either.

>>17430461
>But its sure as shit better than where you are now, aint it?
Is it really? Spending the remaining years of my life working to achieve absolutely nothing? At least I have the time to paint now, even if I don't have the money for more canvases so I have to paint on the same ones over and over again.

>>17430461
And I love how people who have it good in life think everyone is a dumb jock-brained idiot like them so they have a fantasy of a lambo... when's the last time you read a book?

>>17430454
>hey, man, dont kill yourself, get a simple job
>dont pity yourself and dont rely on others, push through
>read up on crypto and nfts, worth a try
>try applying for remote work
>dont think in extremes
Still calls me a shitty person and comes to conclusion that I have superiority complex, all because that I'm not god and cant unfuck his shit up. Cool, cool, 4chan nether changes.

>>17430467
Okay, now I get it, you are trolling. Fair.

>>17430468
You have experience in all those fields so you can just tell everyone here exactly how to do it no? Or are you just talking out of your ass? I can show you exactly how to paint a grapefruit if you want. Oh wait that's useless because AI.

>>17430466
maybe learn how to make a canvas then

>>17430475
Yeah out of my last pair of underpants.

>>17430471

I actually do. The whole "modest job beginings", dont pity yourself and push through part atleast. But it isnt worth suggesting even to you, because your autism, selfpity and simultaneous unconditional love for your own special snowflake status (and trolling skills) wont let you consider the possibility of shutting the fuck up and going to apply to local cargo terminal to drive some cargo loaders. Spend around 20% of income on investing, 80% on modest life expences.

>>17430479
no seriously, learn to make paper from plant fibres. alternatively, build a loom and make it from threads

>>17430475
The guy just wants someone to drop him some cash on a monthly basis I suppose.
>>17430479
You unironically have a retort to any advice or suggestion.

>>17430486
>Spend around 20% of income on investing, 80% on modest life expences.
So let's say I spend $100/month on investing, what would I invest in and how? How many years do you think it would take it for me to save up for surgery so I can at least look relatively normal (around $15-20k)?

>>17430127

>>17429601
cartier jumbo louis tank, pocket the rest

>>17430490
>The guy just wants someone to drop him some cash on a monthly basis I suppose.
No, I want to work in an antique store, I love cataloguing things and I have a really good ability to embelish things by inventing their history, I'm extremely well read, do you have a job like that for me? Book store would be great too. How about an art gallery? I can design and write booklets and do any kind of writeups for pretty much any exhibition you can think of.

I'm just not good with money and paperwork and since no one can even begin to explain that part...

Discuss

https://youtu.be/35jdyE5lBY8

>>17430515
Not really, watches are more expensive than ever. If you're not looking at the wildly inflated prices for rich retards, but why would you be looking at that in the first place?

>>17430504
Buy bitcoin/eth/silver/maybe promising shitcoins. Read up on this shit, because I cant give very specific advice to someone on these topics, its individual responsibility. In these times, it might not take you that long to muster said 15k when bull market will begin. But for investing you NEED income. Thats why you need a job i anycase. Any job.
>>17430513
Guy, if you know what you are good at, why dont you actually use it and try to apply in these or similar places?

>>17430523
>But for investing you NEED income.
I can just invest my last $2500, just tell me what do I put it into and how.

>>17430523
>Guy, if you know what you are good at, why dont you actually use it and try to apply in these or similar places?
Don't have a degree in any of it, can't get it without a degree and having family in the business. These are all tiny cliques and clans, Americans can't understand how closed off they are.

Hey anons. Not a watch guy. Saw anon posting this pic with nice squarish watch.

>Cool watch, probably under 1k, let me see.

They actually like 6k. Can't afford such watch right now. Sad. Is thre any similar looking watches to Cartier Santos that does not cost as much?

>>17430531
Just buy some crypto lol?

Helicopter gang!

https://youtu.be/kddtM70CJIk

>>17429570
does it make sense?

>>17430524
No, nigga, dont invest your last cash, never do that. Go apply for a job, get it and be somewhat at ease of mind, then buy 300 bucks of eth. Get a habbit of investing said portion of your income.
>>17430526
Try getting a job in the library. It cant be all jewy clans and shit. If not, get into manual labor. Sad, but gets the job done, literally. And for the last time, I'm from poor country on the border with raging russia.

Hesalite or Sapphire Speedy guys?

>>17430570
>>Try getting a job in the library.
You know librarians need degrees and there's a billion times more of them than there are libraries right? Also library isn't a book store, even though it might look like that to people who have never opened a book.

>>17429570
I'm gonna be in Zurich next month for a week and I wanna do some horological sightseeing, are there any cool watch museums or big stores I should check out?

>>17430600
Make sure to watch Le Clock while you suck le cock.

>>17430596
Fuck, you are a tiresome "by the book" sad passive/agressive inflexible mindset bastard. No wonder you are in permanent self pitying/self adoring twat state and utterly alone. And yeah, I know about degrees, and I opened a book, and other things in life..
Best of luck not killing yourself.

>can't wear my Vostok because Russia (unironically) bad

>>17430642
You actually can, who gives a fuck

Currently debating if I should buy this strap for my speedtimer (color identical to the picture). If anyone has other strap suggestions I'm all ears. New to the watch world so not too sure how to pair a stap with a navy blue dial watch. It feels more limiting than a black or white dial. Absolutely loving my first big boy watch by the way.

>>17430642
Unless you're a numale trans alien, you can.
Also, Russia is based.

Who here wearing a casio to the club tonight?

ME! ME! ME!

Enjoy your Saturday night sitting online alone in your room talking about rolex watches lmfao.

>>17430642
Anyone who thinks Russia bad doesn't know fuck all about Russia, and certainly would never spot a vostok watch. Those that can, will only appreciate it.

Just copped for 300 how I do?

>>17430642
>le bad russkie
>le brave ukrs, lets gib dem billions
Only npc retards think like that. But putin actually done goofed, did the actual deed part extremely wrong.

>>17430666
>>17430663
>>17430659
How embarassing.

>>17430670
slava ukraine!! hurr!! pay me attention!!

Vermin.

>>17429851
I only respect one watch gods. Having a watch collection is a disease.

t. literal dozen watch owner

>>17430466
Fuck off soft sap, i am sick of your whining

>>17430567
yes

>>17430670
Wait till next new hot topic to jump on, goyim. Maybe some new war in country you never heard of before or new meme virus will come. You know you want to.

I'll be at Deja Vu Showgirls Seattle tonight, wearing my Casio. After some titty action, I will head to some bars or clubs about 10pm. I'll be alone, so everyone is welcome to join me. Absolutely no rolex wearers though.

>>17430664
Pretty good.

>>17430706
Based.

>>17430706
I bet you'll end the night sucking a bIg titted tranny with a Homos neomatik.
KEK

>>17430704
Take your meds, chud.

>>17430713
Action is action, a guy like me can't complain.

>>17430717

>>17430737
I'll make them gag tho, not because of my size, but because of my smell

Tried out an omegay in the sto

>>17430318
it literally is one lol, pretty much everything about that watch is lifted from rolex.

>>17430282
holy kek I thought that's some generic $800 mall brand, but this one is in the $2k range

>>17429676
Any recs? Looked at sinn but they're a little too basic for me. Longines has some good ones but the really cool ones (moon phase master collection) are above that mark, and I don't like the lower end Longines so much. Haven't looked at many others.

>>17430744
That's the ceramic version? How big is your wrist?

>>17430816
Yeah ceramic, 6.75 thereabouts, looks bigger in the pic than in person because I didn't fit it perfectly to my wrist. Borderline too big imo. The Tudor black bay 39mm here fits pretty much perfect

>>17430692
do you post on /p/? i think i saw this pic in a macro thread

>>17430409
Sex trafficking

I just bought a $40 watchmaker tool kit. What am I in for?

>>17430902
fucking up your watch with no survivors

Any good (authorized) dealers online that have decent discounts? Seems like a research project to find any AD with any sort of discount beyond the (((I'll give you five percent if you sign up for spam emails)))

>>17430902
Atleast three Aliexpress shitters in the bin

>>17430902
The tools are fine, just don't use any of the replacement parts included in the kit.

>>17430910
>>17430932
What if it's to fix my friend's shitter?

>>17430945
It better be a cheap watch or that friendship's gonna get strained.
Please do your first tries on disposable flea market shitters or broken ones.

>>17429570
My current watch (it glows in the dark :^)

I ordered the scubadude to celebrate getting my babby's first cert. Soon...

>>17430949
It's a Tissot T-Touch

>>17430984
Post pic in the dark

>>17430993
Doesn't show up very well on camera. But it looks really cool IRL. Even on a bright summer day if I step from outside to inside I'll notice it glowing a little even if the room isn't that dark.

>>17430993
>It's a Tissot T-Touch
Do him a favor and destroy it.

Why are all of the watch YouTubers wristlets?

Can anyone ID this watch?

>>17431051
Casio edifice chronograph

>>17431039
Most are numales shilling shitters like seiko, sinn, citizen, casio, and microshits.

>>17431051
Rolex Daytona ceramic bezel

>>17429575
>>17429595

150k aus, ah you can afford it, it holds it value better than most things you own. My rule is if you interact with something every day it's worth spending money on it.

Also don't rush so pay off your mortgage, it's the cheapest money you will ever get. You could be investing your when you are young.

You still have blue collar head on your shoulders, from your parents. When you are 40 and you have a net worth over a 1 mil, you will still drive a shitter? nicer house in a better area? >nice area in Australia, I could be nicer, better schools / area for your kid so they don't have wee dicks as friends.

My father was like that, mils in the bank. Scared to spend money, thought he live forever.......

No travel for you, no watches, no nice cars that's a luxury, your house is good enough, buy from Ikea, eat freezer food, the good life. Life a little you could be dead in a few years, I have a few friends that happened to.

>>17430019
300m rules at that price, don't be fooled by Tudor BB, the 300m feels much better quality in hand. Own both.

>>17430531

OG anon, you can get homages but it's not the same. I hear the super replica "fakes" are scare good but would not recommend putting money into them.

If you can afford to, finance it, I know many here will look down on that but at 0% interest by the time you save for it they will be 8k+ depending on how long it takes you and what you make. I think Cartier is meant to be having a price increase early 2023.

>>17429604
>>17429627
>>17429637
>>17429788
>>17429865
>>17430188
>>17430510
Interesting responses. I'm probably not going to buy another watch again but it was interesting to see what people suggest

>>17431120
How are these kind of straps called, with the flaps of leather at front?
I'd like to buy one.

>>17431120
Hi anon.

I'm not from first world, taking a credit for a watch would be pure insanity for me atm. My goverment actively trying to kill me if that matters. Even spending 1k on watch would be something stupid, like celebrating getting a new "high" paying job.

By homages you mean watches by ither reputable brands or fakes?

>>17431072
your comment has really struck a chord with me, anon. I might just do it.

>>17431148
That's a signature strap by JLC/Casa Fagliano.

>>17431148
Just go on Etsy and look up Reverse straps, they will come up.

This is who makes the strap for JLC, I think the ones you buy from JLC now are calfskin only, unless it's with a watch then it's shell cordovan (that may have changed) Case are still shell cordovan.

https://www.casafagliano.com/polo/watch-straps/

>>17431161
In that case, I'd just buy a gshock square, save your money, Bitcoin, stocks or whatever. No need to keep up with the western world. The more money you have the more you want. Id like a A.Lange Chronograph but it would be insanity.

Yea fakes, sometimes with or without the Cartier logo, under whatever brand. It's all the same guys making them. Go on A aliexpress (Santos watch) you will find loads of stuff, I think you would be better of buying a Seiko but if you must have the design.

>>17431163
Enjoy life a little, don't blow your money (I don't think you're going to) whatever you buy in life do so smart and you'll be okay, like a used Lotus / older 911 is better than a new BMW, all the same money but the BMW -50% in a few years. The Datejust will always be worth 70% of what you paid and in 10 years it will be more than what you paid (Rolex price hikes), better than in the bank rotting away anyway >software engineer you prob invest (good), and you get to enjoy and wear it and your kids will (have more than one, family) will see what working hard gets, nothing wrong with a wealth trigger.

>>17430315
>>17430319
Is this a decent milanese strap or where should I buy one? Seems too cheap and I want to make sure it's decent. I've searched the Casio model
(A-158wea-9) and it says 18mm.

>>17429575
>$160,000
what stack anon?

>>17430902

The Kits are hit and miss. The only thing that has worked for me was the Hammer for omega bracelets and the Screw for Rolex Bracelets.

Everything has broke or useless.

As you progressively need to do shit. Get the Tools from esslinger

>>17429575
>tfw also live in Australia and don't even earn half this
I wish I didn't hate using computers or else I would be in IT. My brother is with some major computer company and has grown to despise computers, refusing to even have one in his house or use a smartphone outside of work.

>>17431072
>My father was like that, mils in the bank. Scared to spend money, thought he live forever.......
Same as my grandfather kek. More money than anyone could know what to spend it on but he just stayed in the same house he bought in the 60s and doesn't go anywhere or do anything. Even his car is an early 90s Ford Falcon with almost nothing on the odometer. Now he's far too old to do anything at all since he needs a carer to visit and even hates having visitors.

>>17431290
>refuses to use a computer or smartphone at home
giga based unironically. social media and smartphones are shit.

Just got this. It's a really nice office GMT, Wish the bezel clicked though

>>17429570
This is my dream watch. Thinking of getting it later this year as a present to myself for completing grad school and starting my first big boy job

>>17431274
my role is technically less software, more data oriented. SQL, python, JS

>>17431290
>My brother is with some major computer company and has grown to despise computers, refusing to even have one in his house or use a smartphone outside of work.

based

>early 90s Ford Falcon with almost nothing on the odometer

unironically these are the best cars to purchase. one of my first cars was a 99 Mirage from an old lady and it was the best car I've owned in terms of reliability.

>>17430892
I was on /p/ years ago before I was into watches. Tell them to stop stealing my photos. Personally I think /p/ is the worst board on the whole site.

>>17429812
The schizos and shitposters keep these threads fun
Reddit is pure pretension and people posting the least funny jokes you've ever heard in your life for upvotes

>>17429851
Whoever is richer he hang in the streets

>>17431324
Any tips or advice on getting into IT man? I have no bachelors in anything IT but it'd be nice to get into something higher paying than I'm in now and even bottom level IT stuff seems to pay well.

>unironically these are the best cars to purchase. one of my first cars was a 99 Mirage from an old lady and it was the best car I've owned in terms of reliability.
Oh for sure, I'm not knocking it. My point was that he has all that money but does literally nothing, such as not even leaving his house even before he had a carer.

>>17431324
Not the anon that replied to you above but, do you have any opinion of doing infra stuff DevOps and the like instead of software? Seems more accessible for retards without a degree or that aren't very math oriented

Luminox | Atacama Field Automatic 1900 Series | Green Strap |

I quite like this one. Is Luminox still cringe?

>>17431308
Also have this watch. My first seiko, cool watch and useful for me as I have to schedule calls with the EU as a burger often

>>17430588
Get the saphire. I had a hesalite one and while it is extremely beautiful it just can’t compare to the saphire. The hesalite scratches way to easily

>>17430984
Shinola? More like Shit-o-la

What's the difference between the core shop exclusive alpinist and the new reissue with the cyclops? What is this core shop exclusive anyway? Just a jdm model that isn't fugly like the cyclops one?

>>17430815
Fromex, Ball, and Monta are my picks for the quasi luxury section they're about as good as it gets before you start getting diminishing returns on finishing.
If you wanted to spend a little more my top 3 for the luxury section are ming, krono tokyo, and tudor but you could also go quartz and get a bell and ross or a grand seiko

>>17431383
FUCKING KEEEEEK
POST OF THE YEAR ERRY YEAR
CLOSE THIS PLACE DOWN ITS OVER WE HAVE A WINNER

>>17431393
Tbqh with you senpai don't want to buy literally who brands like you mention. Tudor, hell and Ross, and GS are options tho

I'm looking to get something to complement my Vostok Amphibia in the <$500 price point

I was thinking either the Bulova Lunar Pilot, because it's "the other moonwatch" and visually it has some of the funkiness that I enjoy about the Amphibia. However, I was also thinking about getting a Casio Lineage - since it's a bit dressier and I like the sunburst, titanium is a cool material, and the atomic timekeeping and digital countdown would be nice for travelling - it feels like something James Bond would use.

>>17431392
Purely aesthetic, from what I can find. Dial isn't sunburst. Has that fucking horrid prospex logo still though, unfortunately.

J3W watch

>captcha M8 KOHX

Watchsisters I need some help. I have this Timex ironman which everything works except the indiglo led light, so, there is a way to fix this? I also have a G-shock with the same issue.

>>17431428
Prospex logo is a little unfortunate, but I vastly prefer that to giant text that says "PRESAGE" on the dial.

>>17430588
You want the icon. Buy the icon. If you want a pretty chronograph movement there are better options.

>>17431458
Which one is the icon?

Wasn't this thread on /g/ before?

>>17431459
Hesalite

>>17431336
>Any tips or advice on getting into IT man?

Depending on where you're from, the hardest part is getting your foot in the door when it comes to entry level work. Without a degree or some other qualifications, you will find it extremely hard to get an engineering job.

Ideally you should study, work on personal projects, and most importantly for you, go to local meetups and make friends. That will help you out big time because you can't use credentials to get an interview.

>>17431347
>do you have any opinion of doing infra stuff DevOps and the like instead of software?
absolutely nothing wrong with devops however I think the ceiling is somewhat lower than the software or data side of things. One observation i found is that devops managers are usually less experienced than software/data/etc. managers which indicates that there aren't as many people doing it which is a good sign however i could be wrong, just an observation.

>>17431504
>Ideally you should study, work on personal projects, and most importantly for you, go to local meetups and make friends.
Damn that's going to be hard. All my friends are people I work with and studying at 30 seems like a bad idea. What would be a good field or starter degree? I've conisdered cybersecurity since I keep seeing talk about companies being desperate.

>>17431393
>>17431397
Also as I'm reading many people kinda agree that in the 500-1k range you get good features and finishing on watches but from the 1k to 3k range you won't see many significant improvements in quality except for microbrands (not interested in). That being said, I'm thinking bb58 or smp but undecided as of those. Bb58 fits better and I like the colors more but no date sucks, smp is more flashy but a little too big. Not going to actually dive so he escape valve is retarded.

It's on! It's on!
https://www.youtube.com/live/QjrPdy0e6ys
https://www.youtube.com/live/QjrPdy0e6ys
https://www.youtube.com/live/QjrPdy0e6ys

>>17431553
My grandfathers are dead how do I get this guy to take me on as his grandson?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCzzbB4FMwI

>>17431557
Jory and that brit ILW, how much are they paid by San martin?

>>17431504
>data side of things
Isn't data super math oriented anyway? Like, from what I've heard its mostly math graduates or heavy CS that go that way

>>17431560
they can keep the watches after the review

>>17429730
AP Royal Oak

>>17431072
>>17431229
>>17431290
Hope you get bone cancer.

>>17431533
6-8k at least.
>>17431506
If you're 30 you're fucked, what do you even do now?

>>17431506
mate, I wouldn't worry too much about what the actual smart/successful people are doing. It is extremely easy to snuggle your way into a bullshit somewhat IT job like an Sysadmin or Business analyst, you can start of in IT support, get a few certs, it's easy. And it pays pretty well even from entry level. Nobody is going to like this but if you are starting from absolutely nothing a support role in a call centre is a good start, you only have to do it for about 1 year and your easily within 6 figures after pivoting and bullshitting your experience in interviews. You can learn to code if you want, but you don't have to if all you want is a cushy 40 hour a week job and a high enough salary that you can drop a few k on a watch you like without sweating a bullet.

>>17431613
>you're fucked
>>17431621
>its easy, you'll be fine

the duality of 4chan

>>17431621
>Nobody is going to like this but if you are starting from absolutely nothing a support role in a call centre is a good start, you only have to do it for about 1 year and your easily within 6 figures after pivoting and bullshitting your experience in interviews.
What possible job could you jump to in IT from being in a call center? I can't imagine bridging that kind of gap, especially to get something cushy or high paying.

Also as a moderate rich dude, what watch do you daily currently if you don't already have something pricey?

>>17431643
Service Desk is essentially a call centre, from there you can go into applications support, networks, management, BA, and many others. Call centres are literally the springboard to many mediocre but highish paying careers in just about every white collar industry, even banking and finance.
You're not going to like my answer, but I love motorsport, and I wear a tag heuer daily lol. It only cost me 3k, which is a few weeks salary in my easy as fuck job that I don't care about. I like the watch though.

>>17431648
>Call centres are literally the springboard to many mediocre but highish paying careers in just about every white collar industry, even banking and finance.
No shit? I hadn't even thought of that being a starting spot for a second.

>there you can go into applications support, networks, management, BA
Someone could really jump into management from being in a call center? Or was that in the order that you'd move up? I at least know a decent amount about computers and tend to do some non-normie shit like using Linux, virtual machines etc.

>You're not going to like my answer, but I love motorsport, and I wear a tag heuer daily lol.
Honestly not bad, they make some good ones.

>It only cost me 3k, which is a few weeks salary in my easy as fuck job that I don't care about.
Same as me then. I've been wondering about saving for a few weeks and picking up a used Rolex or Omega, my current daily is my grandfathers watch.

>>17431650
>>17431648
Kinda jelly of you, my guys, being a latvian etc. But jelly in a good way. Really considerig moving from this shithole, finally.
But realy, good for you, keep it up. Wagmi.

>>17431652
Thanks man. I'm doing okay but could be better, as said earlier about wanting to improve my career. I hope you can move somewhere comfy too and get a nice job and nice watch.

>>17431650
using VMs and Linux will help you bigly, if you cert up in Linux and Virtualisation like VMWare you could get a systems engineer role which is pretty cushy and pays well.
In terms of moving to management it is a thing, you would move to management of a service desk team first then to more technical teams application support or whatever area you are good at, I have seen it happen. Also if you are the same guy that mentioned cybersecurtity earlier that is another area you can move into, one of my old bros from my service desk days does that now and he makes almost double what I get.
>>17431652
where I am getting into nice watch money is pretty achievable, I don't know how to get into that porsche money tho, I would like to be able to drop my projected lifetime retirement savings into a car one day

>>17431661
>>17431654
Wish I could get in IT also, but unironically think its kinda late at 33 yo, but we will see. I allready went bankrupt with my company in 2014-2015 due to tensions with russia, but managed to somewhat recover, not become rich again, but atleast stable atm. Life is a roller coaster.

>>17431661
> if you cert up in Linux and Virtualisation like VMWare
There are certs in those? My skills are mostly just self taught. I've used VMware but tend to fall back to VirtualBox, since it's easier to me for some reason despite hearing the opposite from others.

>In terms of moving to management it is a thing, you would move to management of a service desk team first then to more technical teams application support or whatever area you are good at, I have seen it happen.
I'd be somewhat amazed if I could make that move after one year but we'll see. I find it hard to see how answering calls from people makes someone management material.

>Also if you are the same guy that mentioned cybersecurtity earlier that is another area you can move into, one of my old bros from my service desk days does that now and he makes almost double what I get.
Yeah that's me. I also take things like OpSec very seriously and I'm tempted to have a few words with my current work place, since for some reason HR keep forwarding emails with EVERYONES personal email attached. No clue why.

I'm really not too old at 30 to do this though? I feel old man. I mean, I look really young, but 30 feels ancient in the modern era.

>>17431661
>>where I am getting into nice watch money is pretty achievable
Ok, give me a job then.

>>17431665
I don't think so man,I started late in my 20s at this and I'm still the youngest person on my team. I studied in a completely different field and couldn't find a job in my field (chemical engineering) so took the only one I could find, I didn't realise you could slowly work your way up.
The management thing, yeah it's not easy to do, you have to be very good at playing the corporate game and bullshitting, it's not for everyone but as I said I've seen it happen.
A lot of the guys I work with make quite big money and honestly not many times have I ever seen another watchfag. One of my old managers had a nice retro senna tag but most of them seem to wear apple watches now. A few rolexes here and there. Not once has anyone ever asked me about my watches.

Anons, are there any bracelets compatible with the Casio Duro? I’m also looking for some rubber straps, a yellow one for the blue faced duro and a quality black one for my green one. plz help.

>>17431641
I mean IT jobs require you to be in college so you can get your first startup money and shit like that, no one looks at resumes after you're done with education and you're supposed to have projects during it too, so if you're still starting school after 30 then lmfao at your life. I guess if you want to be replaced by first Pajeets and then AI coders as some random code monkey who will never get hired after 35 ever again because why the fuck would they hire an old guy for an entry level job?

That's if you don't have a friend to give you free money for "coding" in his company of course.

>stop
>hammer time

>>17431669
>I don't think so man,I started late in my 20s at this and I'm still the youngest person on my team.
That's weird to hear, I figured most people in IT would be zoomies at all levels. What did you start out in? Service desk or was there something prior to that?

>A lot of the guys I work with make quite big money and honestly not many times have I ever seen another watchfag. One of my old managers had a nice retro senna tag but most of them seem to wear apple watches now. A few rolexes here and there. Not once has anyone ever asked me about my watches.
Same, it's all Apple watches where I work. But I've seen a lot of Casios when I'm at places like Uniqlo. I actually asked about it and Casio is apparently their unofficial watch at their stores.

>>17431672
I'm not so sure, COVID caused some massive changes. A lot of pilots here ended up going into entirely different fields because they lost their jobs and most decided to not return. Changing career when you're older is becoming the new norm.

>>17431674
Stop bullying

>>17431676
Yeah it's weird, but there are a lot of lifers in these roles with zero ambition happy to just sit on there asses for 20 years and collect mid paychecks, if you are coding it's different, but even then, the real senior developers and shit are old as fuck, like, the silicon valley shit you see is only from people posting their lives on social media, the real world isn't like that at all. I've only been in it about 5 years, 6 years now that it's 2023. I also have that disease that makes me look about 10 years younger than I actually am lol.

>>17431680
Old tin pot giant gshocks are for strong, but gentle persona, anon.

>>17431682
I was talking about the watch, anon. The watch is the bully here.

>>17431683
I'm friends with the bully though, so all is well.

>>17431685
Hey, you are not me. The tweeest is that you were the bully all along

>>17431681
>Yeah it's weird, but there are a lot of lifers in these roles with zero ambition happy to just sit on there asses for 20 years and collect mid paychecks
I don't think I'd want to, I want to keep moving and growing and feeling like I'm doing something interesting.

> the silicon valley shit you see is only from people posting their lives on social media, the real world isn't like that at all.
Yeah that's what I've figured too. I used to know some people IRL that would post the most boastful shit possible on their social media but their real lives were nothing like it, the whole thing was just image and the boyfriend was miserable.

>I also have that disease that makes me look about 10 years younger than I actually am lol.
Based (or maybe not?). I'm 30 but still look about 23 or so and still get asked for ID, since they apparently still have to do by law if someone looks under 25.

You've given me some real hope man. Perhaps a call center will be the first step in getting a real career off the ground.

>>17431690
True, i never implied i was you, i just added something to my statement. If you read them together it makes sense. Anyway what i was trying to say is that it's a cool watch.

>>17431701
Thanks man, it has been with me since 2008 I think. Indestructible japanese shitter, but I'm ready to get my first big boy watch

Ok, faggots. Let's do this:

Collector’s check

>Most expensive
>Least expensive
>What everyone wants to steal from your collection
>What is less likely to be had by other collector
>First of the collection
>Newest of the collection
>Strangest of the collection

>Favorite of the collection
>Watch you wore the most
>Watch you thought you’ll wear the most
>Most interesting in your collection
>Oldest in the collection

I just invented wristoplasty. I want to become a doctor of wristoplasty and open a wrist clinic where i can offer designer wrists to rich wristlets so they can finally enjoy wearing big watches. I am looking for investors.

>>17431800
you should make a balloon implant or so that lets them readjust the size or their wrist to their family liking

>>17431805
How about a self-adjusting mechanically controlled variable length bracelet?

>>17431805
Dial-a-wrist
or
Wrist-on-demand

>>17431790
gay

help /wt/, i want to buy a sports watch but i can't decide. i'm stuck between the following 3 (or 5 if you separate the reference numbers) very different models, but feel free to suggest anything that might be worth considering based on my preferences and comments:

rolex explorer (either 1016 or 124270): i've always liked the explorer but i find the version differences to be a huge issue. the 1016 has a more noble and stately dials, but finding one in good condition is near impossible and they are definitely more boring with the lack of the white gold borders. the 124270 is more exciting and flashy, but they do come off as a little immature in comparison. also, i already have my dad's vintage 36mm datejust, so an explorer may overlap too much with that.

rolex gmt (either 16710 or 126710): this one is practical because im always living between 2 timezones, but i am also not sure about how to approach modern vs vintage here. the 126710 is again, more blingy in finish, but has the more subdued bezel colors. the 16710 has the super saturated bezel which looks beautiful in pictures but i dont know if it would be too loud on the wrist. the font issues with the explorer apply here too. i also dislike how the GMT master is sort of a status symbol for the nouveau riche, but it's not quite as bad as with the daytona where it's really kind of an insufferable watch.

omega constellation globemaster: probably the nicest omega watch in their current catalogue, it has a really nice blue dial unlike the rolexes (i would lean towards a blue dial watch if possible). my concerns would be that the design may not be as timeless as the rolexes and it feels like a watch i may outgrow in the next decade, and i just think association with the omega brand name taints it because frankly every popular omega model fills me with disgust. also it has a transparent caseback on a machine finished watch which is a bit embarrassing. the movement isnt good enough to warrant that.

thoughts?

You guys do realize that instead of buying a 150 dollar seiko every month, you could just lease a rolex for the same amount?

>>17431843
Nigga, no one buys 150 dollar seiko every month here.

>>17431843
>Financing luxury

That's just an advanced type of coping. You either buy it outright or gtfo.

>>17431850
Kinda agree. Leasing a watch even sounds horrible.

>>17431850
Incels always think this but in reality nobody cares. Smart rich people lease their car and jewellery because they lose value anyway, and only buy real estate

>>17431850
>You either buy it outright or gtfo.
This.

>>17431843
Nah man, I'd rather stick to my casios, tbqh.

>>17431843
>passing a watch around like some filthy whore
please don't do this

>>17431857

>>17431880
ITS BOUNCING BACK GUYS

>>17431674
Based.

>>17431880
man that really puts into perspective how insane the hype was. makes me feel warm and fuzzy to rhink about how many faggot speculators lost their ass buying at the top

>>17429749
Don't waste your money dude, it's just a watch.

>>17430902
From left to right:
Craft knife: useless
Case opener: functional but you need to be very careful with it to make sure it doesn't slip out on you and scratch your case
Punches: Good for bracelet pin removal. Screw operated press: Also good for bracelet pin removal.
Brush: useless
Oiler: You'll want to polish this
Tweezers: Most likely chinesium
Screwdriver: Looks like a pain in the ass to have to switch out screwdriver bits. You'll also need to learn how to sharpen and dress screwdriver tips.
Presto tool: may be functional it's really hit or miss
Spring bar tool: fine
Hammer: useless
Case opener knife: fine
Movement holder: shite you'll want to get a better one
Bracelet adjustment block: Functional but limited in what it can do based on width of grooves
Spring bars: commodity item

what are some retro blue dial blue bezel dive watches for under 1000?

citizen 'fujitsubo', lorier neptune, seiko sbdc163 (picrel)
are already on my list

you could say I'm looking for an affordable tudor bb58 blue alternative without actually wanting the tudor

>>17431916
this zodiac fits the bill in style size and price although I'm not sure about the movement

>>17431308
>mom I want a Batman!
>we have Batman at home
>

>>17431933
Yes. The bezel and styling is different enough to the Rolex that I wouldn't call it an homage, just a gmt with a batman color.

>>17431905
roughly what I thought. that's why I bought just the adjustment block, but it also came with a hammer. why is the hammer useless? desu I was lucky probably: I did it with a piece of wood, a pin remover and a normal hammer and managed not to fuck up the bracelet. Bought the block afterwards because I want to avoid that in the future

>>17429641
217 is better

Aw fuck me auntie, my head is sore. Must have had an hours sleep. And, get this. There is a diaper in bedroom. Wtf. I have no idea how it got here, but it's not used, so I'll probably keep it.

But what I really wanted to say was, my casio is fine. Not a mark on it. I have been through a war zone of booze last night, and not a mark on it. Hail casio.

>>17429575
Set a net worth goal and have your Rolex be the reward

Compulsively bought this. Now I fear to wear it. Typical me.

>>17432090
>Gucci
Can you return it? You fucked up

>>17432090
dumb consoomer you get what you deserve

>>17432090
how embarrassing

>>17432097
No I put it on Vinted
>>17432100
I feel like a cuck

Bros. What should I get?

>brand new Rolex Explorer 36mm
>used Rolex Explorer 39mm
>7" wrists

I was leaning towards the 39, but I tried the 36 and it was actually not bad. Not as small as I thought. 39mm is lightly scratched and $12k, a huge ripoff I know. 36mm is $7.5k but at least a year waiting.

What do?

>>17432212
with a year waiting it will be $8.2k probably

>>17431438
This unanswered post, proves that this "community" of collectors are fucking retards which untasteful style.

Sorry anon, I don't know how to repair that backlit, but maybe is some anon who knows how to do it.

>>17432212
the 39mm explorer is badly proportioned, and oyster case rolexes should all be 36mm watches anyways.

NEW THREAD!

>>17432262

>>17432262

>>17432262

NEW THREAD!

>>17429836
looks good