/fa/ - Fashion

Got my first pair of wranglers recently, they're actually really good for the $20 I paid.
I also ordered a pair of momotaro selvedge (~$210), so I'll have quite the comparison to make.
If you're just looking for work pants, get whatever's cheap and durable. However, if you're looking for longevity, you can go the raw/selvedge route. Or if you're looking for something soft and comfy, you could get a pair with some stretchy stuff. It won't last as long, of course, but it'll definitely be comfortable.

>>17378705
The last time I wore wranglers was in high school I think. They must be as good as levis. I looked up momotaro and wow. Those jeans are expensive but they're super high quality looking. I am just getting into fashion so this is out of my budget, but I will bookmark this store page. I have done shopping at retailers like superdry and the north face. Nothing too crazy but I simply felt bad about my clothing and wanted to invest in it.

>>17378716
Yeah, you can really go down the rabbit hole with denim if you want to. There's no need though, if you're not geeking out over it. You can definitely get good jeans for less than $100.

What really matters is the fit (how relaxed or tight, how tapered, does it suit your body, etc etc). You can also get stuff tailored to fit better if need be.

only acceptable jeans in 2022 are skinny
do not wear straight leg jeans pls

>>17378640
test

Just bought a used pair of 514, still waiting for the delivery.

cus I want to try slim straight cut. figure that it make look good on me since I'm skinny and all that. fyi slim straight is not the same as skinny jeans so I don't think I am going to get into a trouble.

Okay, how much of a meme is raw denim? I want a decent pair of jeans, but 300 is pretty steep for what is ultimately going to look like... a pair of jeans. I could buy some really decent trousers for the same money.
Do they really look that cool when you wash for the first time after wearing them? And does the Indigo stain your other clothes for the first few weeks or is that just with cheaper jeans?

I usually buy these worn grey-blueish looking jeans. Can I bleach raw denim jeans to make them lighter after getting the fade?

>>17379117
reference for the color of jeans I usually wear

>>17379119
Personally I'd never buy raw denim or whatever. Cus I feel like it's really difficult to style around them but on the other hand. There is beauty in raw denim. I feel like only jeans nerd buy them desu.

>>17378939
skinny jeans r ded you look like you're desperately trying to hold onto the emo era

>>17378640
what are some high rise mens leans? in straight fit. Only ones I can think of are levis 501s. anyone know any more. Pic related is wat Im looking for

>>17379117
raws are the only jeans i'll buy now, even of just the 501 stf on amazon.
just don't listen to the meme of never wash them. i wash every couple months, more if they get particularly dirty for some reason.

>>17379129
I think get a bit of a bad rep because most people who wear them aren't effay. I'm really not a trousers guy but trousers are the only everyday... pants I would spend significant money on. But given that I often wear the same pair of jeans for weeks I feel like it would be worth the investment.

>>17378640
since this is a jean thread how do i stop my "baggy" jeans from dragging on the ground?

>>17379139
Samurai S3000VXII or just buy some 501s

>>17379158
Get them hemmed of course

>>17378939
Skinny jeans have been out of fashion for a while now and they look like dogshit unless you're a faggy twink.

>>17378640
I spent years trying to find the perfect pair of jeans. I always wrote off japanese selvedge as being stiff as fuck and overpriced. A couple years ago, I walked into Self Edge in Portland and tried on a few pairs and immediately could understand the amount of detail and quality the japanese put into making denim. I took a risk and bought a pair of heavy weight (21 oz) Iron Heart 888s in their overdyed black and have worn them almost daily for the last year and a half. Iron Heart's denim is notorious for having a really immaculate, dense weave, which results in a heavy yet smooth pair of jeans once you break them in. I know I am a little fanboy for Iron Heart in general, but the quality offered by japanese denim in general regardless of what company you decide to go for is like nothing else. I legitimately have no desire to wear any other pair of pants and have since downsized my wardrobe significantly.

People seem to always get tripped up by paying $300+ for a pair of jeans. Once you take that next step, you arguably pay just as much in the long run than if you were to buy any mass produced denim since the pairs of levis are going to immediately get blowouts in the crotch and high friction/tension areas within 1 to 1.5 years with regular wear, whereas you MIGHT get blowouts with one good pair of heavy weight selvedge in that same time frame. Thats not even considering that japanese denim is dyed with natural indigo and produces much more vibrant and beautiful fade contrast once you start breaking them in.

>>17379355
You convinced me anon. Let's see how I like em.

>>17379429
Nice! I’m guessing you went with momotaros? Before they ship those out, I would strongly advise that you make sure the Jean dimensions are going to fit you. Get one of your best fitting pairs of pants and check the dimensions, especially the waist. Selvedge always has more length than necessary and you will end up cuffing the ankles. The rule of thumb I go by is being able to fit my flat palm in the waist band because the first wash will likely result in some shrinkage. These higher end selvedge companies are usually very helpful with any questions you may have about sizing and washing, so definitely reach out to them with questions.

Once you get them, they will be stiff as fuck. This is because companies use starch to preserve the jeans before they are sold. Wear your jeans every day for months, wash once every 3-4 weeks, hang dry, and trust the break in process.

>>17379446
Got them in W32
Had to act now because of fomo at this point. Two pairs I was eyeing were sold out today so I went with the unsanforized denim in narrow tapered.
I‘m more of a W31 nowadays but with the shrinkage I thought buying a W32 might be better, if it’s still too wide I‘ll just try a belt and if that’s still not working I can return them (before washing, wearing ofc).
The Length is one size with Momotaro from what I could tell.

>>17378640

OrSlow are the best RTW denim on the market by a landslide.

Non descriptive, insane neppiness, oldschool, high rise, not too thick yet substantial, thus good all year round, beautiful unfaded washes. The quality doesn't even really show in pictures, you've got to see them in person.

I basically threw away all of the jeans I previously owned after getting my first pair.

>>17379139

I did quite a bit of research into this, OrSlow 105 (basically, a 50's 501 repro made of japanese selvedge) have the highest rise ouf of all of them, barring some super limited run from the Real McCoy from ages ago.

They go extremely well with tailoring for that reason.

Drake's also have a fairly high rise, although it's 2-3 Cm. smaller compared to smilarly sized 105's.

>>17379489
RTW?

I recently got this pair of Tanuki high tapered jeans but need to get them hemmed before I can really wear them. The rise is ~12” so it’s above average but not super high. They fit well now but I’m worried the waistband will stretch and they’ll end up sitting down on my hips.

>>17379533

Back rise on the 105 is 15-17"

>RTW

ready to wear as in, not bespoke or made to measure.

>>17379537
I see thanks. Checked the Tanukis here and the front came to 12” and the back rise is 16”. I have a pair of Naked and Famous jeans with a half inch higher rise front and back, but they stretched out so I’ve been keeping them bunched up with a tight belt for months. The new Tanukis are a full 2” smaller in the waist and they better not stretch to the same size.

>>17379117
just got a pair of momotaro jeans, (not the exact ones in your pic but the same brand) and they're already my favorite pair of pants. once they're worn in, they fit like nothing else and the fades after a few months of wearing and your first wash is admittedly pretty cool. they're heavy duty and will last forever if you take care of them. momotaro in particular have tons of really cool "features" that make them fun to wear like the pink inseam stitching, the pockets are lined with a cool print and the buttons have cute details on them. uniqlo has some not bad options for the price if you want to dip your toes into it before dropping $200+ on a good pair of japanese denim. don't worry about bleeding into your other clothes. start with around a 14oz pair and a regular cut, then you can explore other cuts and weights if you like them. they are stiff when you first get them but people overstate how bad it is and how long it takes to break them in. just wear them like you would any other pants; get some work done in them, sweat in them and in a week or two they'll be noticeably comfortable. when you wash them for the first time, ideally after a few months and when they start smelling bad, turn them inside out and wash them by themselves then hang dry. that's it.

I don't like raw denim. I don't like fades and I think they look ugly. I want a pair of durable black jeans with a mid/higher rise for preferably within the $200 range. Where should I be looking?

>>17379582
What do you mean by durable? Do you have a general idea of denim weights (14 oz, 21 oz, etc)? Raw selvedge denim is not going to look as great when you first purchase it. If you ask me, the only way you can really enjoy the worn in appearance of black jeans that are also "durable" is to buy a black pair of selvedge denim and wear the fuck out of them until they start to fade in, collect oils, form patinas. If you want black jeans that are ACTUALLY durable, I would suggest browsing Iron Heart's overdyed black denim selections, especially their 21 oz weight. Jeans that are considered durable is going to be at the minimum 18 oz, which is going to be difficult to find below $300.

https://www.selfedge.com/jeans/iron-heart?product_id=2121

>>17379582
Do you like cotton or are you OK with synthetics? If you are down with nylon then you should check out Outlier’s bomb dungarees or bomb deux.

If you want real denim then look for something that is “reactive dyed” which means it won’t fade.

>>17378939
Skinny are fucking ugly, as well as slim and straight. The only fits that look good are relaxed, loose, carpenter and baggy. Any combination of them with straight though looks bad.

>>17379139
Wrangler. I taper my cowboy cuts slightly to fit exactly like your picrel.

>>17379731
Skinny and slim jeans are for millenials aged 30-35 who want to relish in their mid 2000s to 2010 glory days. Jeans are a timeless article of clothing, but skinny and slim fits are arguably a trend and did not last very long, probably because its too gay and just sucks to have zero crotch mobility. Relaxed tapered and straight tapered are arguably the endgame for denim. You get the classic mid-high rise with a relaxed crotch and thigh, but you also get the awesome silhouette of the lower leg that tapers down to a cuffed ankle.

>>17378640
I like Naked and Famous Jeans :)

>>17379795
Yeah, I meant to mention taper in my previous post, but I forgot. Taper is great indeed, but straight taper still looks gay because it's straight. Also, I'm a 32 y/o millennial but I always thought fashion in the mid-00s to 2010s looked awful. I prefer the xennial era.

>>17379812
>straight taper
What does this even mean? It is an oxymoron.

>>17379795
>slim fit jeans are a trend
>posts pic of a guy wearing jeans that make him look like a 5 year old

>>17378640
gap relaxed taper is my favorite jean lately

>>17379795
sorry but picrel looks terrible

>>17379812
I think it depends on what company you go with for a straight taper fit and the overall shape and size of your legs. These are straight taper, but are pretty much the perfect fit for this body type

I like em dark

>>17379820
Probably because they picked a model with a horrendous body

>>17379496
some jeans from walmart amazon look good

https://www.carhartt.com/product/B18/straight-fit-heavyweight-5-pocket-tapered-jean?colorCode=undefined_SW

https://www.amazon.ca/Rustler-Classic-Relaxed-Stonewash-34x30/dp/B07LGVH287/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=rustler+jeans+for+men&qid=1670383513&sprefix=rustl%2Caps%2C101&sr=8-4

>>17379828
I love jeans that look like dirty sweatpants

>>17379832
I'm sorry you don't like slubby denim. I found something that's probably more up your alley

>>17379814
Not really. Straight can be used for two things: how the jeans fit on the thigh and how they fit on the calf. In this case, straight taper means it's straight on the thigh (like how a regular straight jeans would) and it tapers at the calf.

>>17379841
keep cosplaying as a blue collar worker in $100 jeans faggot

>>17379822
Still too tight for me. I need room for my thighs.

Also, unrelated but, stretch denim on any jeans is a red flag. If it's roomy enough, it doesn't need to stretch. Plus, stretch denim is more likely to be torn because of how flimsy it is.

>>17379845
Apologize.

>>17379859
fully commit to your cosplay

>>17379862
Legit rural blue collar truck lover types will unironically wear this monstrosity as their "nice, going-to-town jeans". If this is what some of them wear, I would rather cut off my own dick then larp as rural salt of the earth.

>>17379869
yeah fake rural blue collar truck lover types wear stuff like this

What is the difference between relaxed tapered and straight tapered?

>>17379891
Wait, so you're trying to tell me that authentic blue collar guys wear tapered japanese selvedge denim and all of the reddit soiboi types are actually just trying to copy all the chad salt of the earth truckers and motorcyclists? The point you're trying to double down on is starting to make less and less sense the more you hold onto it.

>>17379823
That's what she said

I used to go for the back pocket wallet fade, but ever since I read that sitting on your wallet is bad for you, I stopped. Also it’s probably easier to get pickpocketed from your ass pocket. Looks awesome though.

Fuck off will ya, we can all collectively agree that skinny jeans are hideous for us average Joe. You have to have the YSL body type to actually pull skinny jeans of.
But there isn't anything wrong with slim jeans. Literally nothing.

>>17379942
God I would eat her shit if you catch my drift

>mfw Rustlers are some of the best I've found

>near identical to old 505 fit but with heavier denim that doesn't feel papery
>traditional indigo dying gives excellent fades
>dirt cheap and available everywhere

The stiff as fuck jeans and autism boots combo will never die. Honestly the most timeless, classic american fashion

I spent a solid 5 years buying only gap jeans (the skinny had a suitably high enough rise and weren't too skinny on my legs, more like slim straight) and now mine are wearing out. But I went to their store the other day and for some reason they're in a weird spot with their new cuts where skinny is tooo skinny, slim is at least an inch lower rise than the skinny, and nothing in any other cut fits at all. I don't want to go back to Levis, and it sounds like J Crew jeans have the low rise problem too. What do, anons?

>>17379895
The taper occurs from the knee down to the ankle. Relaxed fits usually have slightly more room in the thigh and crotch region, along with a slightly higher rise in some cases. Straight fits are the gray area between relaxed tapered and slim tapered.

>>17380006
Honestly if you keep buying shitty quality fast fashion denim from department stores only to find out that they aren't offering the traditional mid to high rise relaxed/straight fit with the optional taper anymore and are catering to whatever new trends come and go, the logical conclusion to your dilemma is to invest a little more money in buying some selvedge denim. There's an entire universe of selvedge denim makers, all of which offer the classic slim, straight, relaxed fits with the standard mid rise, making it easy to find whats right for you. The edge that these companies have is that their denim is usually more durable and wont blow out nearly as soon due to the denser weaves offered from constructing the denim with a shuttle loom, and they pay much more attention to the small little details with the structural integrity of jeans, such as doing double to triple stitching at a minimum and not cutting corners so to speak. A small list of some commonly known selvedge denim names are Momotaro, Sugar Cane, Iron Heart, Naked and Famous, and Samurai. Each of these companies have their own weave patterns and dyeing processes, resulting in differences of texture and fades characteristics

>>17380006
You can at least move up to LL Bean or Wrangler if you want to keep it cheap.

Otherwise buy a nice pair of Japanese jeans that are the cut you like. There are so many options of good Japanese cuts that you can find something cut like your favorite pair.

>>17380048
>>17380060
Thanks bros, I honestly did spend years having no idea of what the current denim landscape was like and now I’m paying the price

>>17379355
superior nippon denim folded over 10000 times

>>17380539
What is nippon denim?

>>17378640
buy at nip prices
https://bears-tokyo.myshopify.com/
https://rodeo-japan-pine-avenue.com/collections/jeans
https://hinoya.shop/

>>17379942
Slim is just cope for ex skinny jeans wearers wanting to wear a looser fit but still attached to their old jeans.

Pic related are my favourite pair of jeans. Retail was ~40000 JPY, got them for 75% off. They are not as vibrant as the image in real life. Interestingly, they are originally a light blue and have been top-dyed with pink with a tiny amount of blue left in some crevices. I really wanted a pair of Eytys Cypress twill white, but they were sold out by the time I went to buy them.

>>17379822
this was posted here before, probably by you, and i still think this is the best looking pair of denim that i have ever seen

>>17381510
>>17381510
Well shit, they're waiting for you
https://www.ironheartamerica.com/bottoms/ih-888s-21.html

>>17378640
love my stacks

>>17379996
Love the look of these, wonder how theyd look after a wash

>>17381591
Those should be 25 oz iron heart 777s. Their heavy weight denim has some incredible texture. Most Japanese denim has a slubby or uneven weave, but iron heart’s weaves are very clean and immaculate resulting in a heavy yet soft denim once it wears in and fades.

>my momos came in like four days early
Fuck yeah.
Soaked them in hot water and agitated them in cold water for a bit to loosen up some excess indigo, and now they're hanging to dry. Can't wait to wear them.

>>17379136
every rapper out of atlanta wears skinny jeans retard

>>17382690
>rapper
>nigger
Oof

>>17382740
post fit or go back

>>17381408
where 2 cop

>>17381591
those are obviously washed in the photo, so probably like that

>>17382772

>>17382866
Acne (Bla Konst) 1996 pink

>>17379731
This is the worst take I've ever seen in my life. The only people who don't like slim or skinny are fat asses who can't wear them.

>>17383610
Both of you are wrong. The skinny fad is over and done and the only people still doing it are 40 year old dads and third worlders

>>17383621
>Fad
Great job exposing yourself, but regardless of your reddit tier opinion skinny and slim jeans are absolutely timeless and will never die no matter how much you lie to yourself, they just hibernate until the next trend which your dumbass is gonna follow.

>>17383658
Tacky 80s jeans don't look timeless. We used to make fun of them in the 90s.

>>17383658
you are permanently stuck in 2014

>>17384397
you are permanently a trendhopping faggot who has no inherent sense of style

>>17384369
Slim and skinny have already solidified themselves as timeless piece of clothings that people have been styling since the 60s. No matter what faggot chubby trend hopping seething trannies say about them they're always gonna be in and it's not gonna change.

>>17384697
Funny you speak of faggots, because picrel look exactly like faggots. But not timeless ones, because fags aren't timeless.

>>17378640
Rag & Bone. Kill yourself before buying another pair of Levis.

>>17384710
Keep wearing your baggie jeans, fatass. Just know that in 2 to 3 years you're gonna look like a fucking retard when the media starts pushing for the slim look again like it always fucking does.

>>17384758
Not him, but straight fit is generally the most "timeless" look for jeans. Yes, slim and skinny fit will come and go every other generation, but generally the straight fit has always had its place in every era. If it wasn't worn by the rock n rollers in the 60s, it was worn by cowboys and rural folk at that same time period. This is however only one advantage that the standard straight fit has over slim/skinny fits. The other main advantage is the mobility that comes with more open room in the crotch and thighs. The original purpose of denim was for utility, so having a skinny fit and not being able to move around without quickly blowing out the crotch of your jeans pretty much defeats that purpose. There are always ways you can incorporate straight fits into your outfit, but slim/skinny jeans are a little more fringe and end up being less versatile fashion-wise.

What are some good jean brands nowadays? I had a single pair of stone washed mid-rise jeans from Bonobos for the last 5 years, and those finally broke up. I don't live in the US anymore. Acne's own website is sold out on stonewashed models. Same goes for Pt01 and Pt05. There's a pair which looks much like my previous one from SLP, but that's 500 euros and I think the double the price to Acne or whatever comes solely from brand, but the price is not out of my range.

>>17384758
I will look like I wear comfy jeans while the "media" will push looking like faggots.

>>17384758
Jeans in general are timeless. You can’t go wrong if you’re not wearing super skinny or super baggy.

>>17384882
I am so sick of disingenuous sof handed faggots saying the word folk

>>17385187
>calls anon a faggot
>strictly wears only slim and skinny jeans

>>17385154
If you want some decent mid rise jeans within the same price range as acne, check out sugar cane

been wearing the same jeans for 3 years now. been through way too many meme brands, acne, APC, naked and famous, all of them tore within a year. havent posted on /fa/ in a while but all i can say id 3sixteen is worth the price for the quality you get
pic is my before and after, first time buying the same exact pair because i was so happy with them

>>17378640
are nudie jeans any good thinking of coping these

>>17385439
I'm not that guy
t. guy who wears slim and skinny.

Should you wear tapered or classic wide jeans if you have a strong lower body (legs, glutes, calves) ?

>>17386954
If you have big quads and hams, no wide straight leg jean is going to look right on you. You'll have to taper.

I bought some 306 momotaro jeans, fit is good but i hope they stretch more on the waist, need to go commando right now. Maybe it gives me more incentive to lose more fat.

>>17381408
<3

>>17386255
I have this exact pair and they are fantastic, a bit pricy for tunisian denim but the fit and quality are great

Im willing to drop $300-400 USD on a pair of navy blue jeans, but Im too paranoid about the dye getting on the fleece or other clothing I wear

>>17387688
When you buy a new pair of indigo selvedge denim, a lot of people will immediately give it an initial warm 2-hour soak followed by a cold rinse in the washing machine. This should do a pretty good job at getting any of the initial volatile dye off so that you don't stain everything.

What is the /fa/ consensus on Evisu?
Are they effay?
I'm eyeing some pairs currently...

>>17387525
Jean waists are pretty stretchy. I'm wearing a pair now that I'm really disappointed in because they fit well initially but then stretched out. Now they only fit correctly after being washed and shrunken up. I guess I'll have to wash them frequently.

I have another pair of Oni secret denim that I haven't worn yet and am nervous about the stretch in. If your brand new jeans aren't quite tight in the waist, then they are too lose.

>>17387747
does this impact later color and fade?

>>17388603
You'll get less contrast in your fades. A lot of those come from the stiff fabric creasing when they are raw and unwashed.

What is the equivalent of Levi's 511's / 513's?
I don't want to give money to jews

>>17388607
so like this contrast? to get something like this after a year or so I shouldn't soak them?

>>17388626
I think that's right. When you soak/wash them, you will remove indigo from all of the fabric and create a more uniform color fading. A little bit more fading will occur n the places where it has been rubbed, but also in places without wear. That pair is still pretty dark in some places so I bet it was not washed often.

>>17388626
>>17388656
I disagree with this. The amount of indigo that comes out on an initial soak and rinse when you first purchase is extremely negligible. All it does is remove starch and indigo that’s going to bleed without really changing the color to a noticeable degree. You will absolutely still be able to get high contrast fades if you refrain from washing again for at least 6 months after your first soak/rinse

>>17388737
Full disclosure, I only have 1 pair of jeans that I bought raw, but when I washed them for the first time they went from being such a black navy that they were nearly black, to a significantly lighter but still "dark wash" navy.

As a rule, the less you wash - the higher your contrast will be. I'm not saying you can't get contrast if you wash initially.

>>17378640
Have any of my fellow ausfags tried Wrangler Western? I want the American wrangler jeans because the wrangler we have sucks and puts elastane in all their jeans, thing is I’m not sure what they’re like or if they’re the real thing (I assume they are). Cheers.

>>17379489
resolute is better

>>17379533
ugly, wtf is that shit on the pockets?

>>17383610
this

>>17384697
based and correct pilled. They dressed so good here...where to cop sweaters pants shoes?

>>17383621
>he bases his style on fads

>>17388428
after wearing it yesterday and today its already getting noticeably better, starting to become really comfortable. Big fan of raw denim so far, its really warm too.