/fa/ - Fashion

>seething autist cannot grasp the essence of effay

The death triangle happens because your pants rise are too low.

>>17364005
Absolutely agree.

My theory is that it started as a general rule of unbuttoning the bottom suit button when sitting down. It makes sense, looks better, is more comfortable and isn't as strenuous for the suit.
Normies heard and misinterpreted the rule. They started applying in in all settings, even where the rule made no sense, standing, walking e.c.t. Now we have this strange urban myth of unbuttoning the bottom button being "the correct way" of wearing a suit.

It's stupid and I refuse to buy into this dumb myth.

>>17364020
but suits are constructed to be that way now, so it looks weird in any other way

Suits were never about function.

>>17364005
because people are fat and it looks terrible when all the buttons are done up

>>17364032
They are, the function is looking good on men, and accentuating their secondary sexual characteristics.

>>17364005
Yeah, I agree it's pointless, some fat king or other did it, everyone else imitated them, doesn't mean we should do it today. It just looks sloppy, not fashionably neglige.

>>17364029
>suits are constructed to be that way now
They're not
>it looks weird in any other way
It doesn't

>>17364005
The first guy to popularize wearing suits was an English prince who was so fucking obese he couldn't even close the bottom button. Therefore, it became part of the "look". Now, allegedly, they design jackets so they're supposed to be unbuttoned at the bottom.

>>17364005
Originally your trouser sat at your naval, and the buttoning point of the jacket was also at the naval, and the tie sat at the naval, so that you would never see anything below the jacket opening but trouser... today's fits are a disaster and this balance is lost.

Also.. if the jacket is designed to be buttoned fully, it will have the room in it but most jacket are not designed for it, the second button is just as decorative as all the buttons on pic related. They're made to look as if they can be buttoned.. but that's not the design.
If you were to try to button it, the fabric would not hang properly

>>17364078
It's a common thing done in menswear. The old regency style tailcoats eventually morphed into modern tailcoats by making them permenantly unbuttoned so much so that today they don't even have buttonholes.
You're beginning to see this in the modern suit where some models will have the second button, but no second buttonhole. And some just have the one button

>>17364051
they are

>>17364080
I think the buttoning rule is stupid as well, why should we listen to some fat king bla bla but the fact remains that suits today are not designed to be buttoned. You can force it.. but it will be too tight at the bottom, and proportionally off.

If you want to wear a suit full buttoned, either make it with enough fabric down there, or just remove the excess button and buttonhole entirely and raise your trouser rise.

>this bait again

>>17364082
You're buying cheap suits

>>17364091
no? Any suit is modeled after having the bottom button open , why wouldn't they

>>17364098
You don't know where to look for quality suits

>>17364110
>all models on designer brand suit pages has bottom button open
>NOOOO THEY AREN'T DESIGNED FOR THAT

>>17364114
>browses dumb designer suit pages
See, you don't know where to look for quality suits. Go see a tailor you silly goose

>>17364145
find me a tailor right now that advertise fullt buttoned

>>17364147
The point of a tailor is getting a customized suit. I didn't think I'd have to explain this to anyone.

Seeing as you're ready to die on this hill just ask yourself when buying your next off the rack suit at Target; does it look good while buttoned? Does it work?

Really hard hitting questions, put if you apply yourself you might pull through.

>>17364147
I just realized you might actually be fat. In that case the bottom button might be too constricting and I'd recommend loosing some weight.

>>17364154
you can of course get one, but it will make you look like some weird autist

>>17364165
Regaedless, typical suits, designer or tailored, work both ways. You can button the bottom button as you please and it doesn't look weird

I get more peeved about sleeve length having to show X amount of cuff. I think that's a dumb "rule."

Buttoning the last button on the jacket or something similar like a cardigan restricts the fabric so it can't move freely. It just makes the fabric too tight and restricts your movement. That's why it doesn't look good. In case you haven't found out, business clothing was not designed to be utilitarian. If it was, you wouldn't be complaining about a tie in the first place.

>>17365168
It's not restricting on a muscular build though. If your upper body is generally V-shaped the bottom buttun is no issue, and really shouldn't be for anyone that doesn't have a protruding gut

>>17364005
WHO DARES SUMMON ME?!

>>17364005
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>>17365481
>"I adhere to strict rules about coat buttoning"
>"I get upset when people don't adhere to boomer / amature fashion "expert" orthodoxy
>I am a fashion expert too

>>17365471
sleeves are too long and pants are not the best either

>>17365505
>strawman schizo asserts his infallible untruths as absolute

>>17365523
did I stutter?

>>17365526
>Brainlet adheres to rules he doesn't understand
>He is used to this, as he has done so his entire life

>>17365536
I recognise you. You're that freak who begged for validation through a thinly veiled advice thread and then refused to take any of the advice offered.

Your waistcoat will usually cover it.

>>17364005
First of all, I don't follow the rules set by obese British kings. I close both buttons. I don't give a fuck. Many others have already agreed on that in this thread, so I know I'm not alone with that opinion.
Second, I'm in product design and engineering. Whenever we make a new iteration of a product we cut obsolete parts from the design as a cost saving measure, and that button is bad product design if unused. It doesn't even add redundancy, as it cannot be used instead of the top button - that looks straight up stupid.
And third, my jackets are fitted with the button closed. Sue me if you don't like it.

>>17366034
I'll sue you, what is your personal info? I need it to draw up the lawsuit.

>>17366034

You're free to do what you will, but you must agree that not everything in clothes and fashion is about function, right?

>>17366052
You couldn't even afford litigation against me.
>>17366066
Go on, tell the product designer how products should be designed.

>>17365973
An interesting story you invented, does it make you feel better about yourself?

>>17364005
No one cares. Spergs have been complaining about it for decades
No one cares

>>17366034
>I'm in product design and engineering.
it makes sense now

>>17364005
I can't remember the exact name, but some prince forgot to rebutton his coat after a piss, and everyone started to do the same because they thought it was a style. You think I'm joking, but you shouldn't forget the people of who I speak are the British. The biggest group of sheep to eve exist.

>>17364005
you can't be effay wearing a suit
that's the final redpill

>>17366792
NOOO what is this moron doing?! DOESNT HE KNOW NOT TO BUTTON THE SECOND BUTTON! ITS THE RULES!
unironically somebody will look at this and decide now it's okay because an authority figure showed the sheep that doing this is okay

>>17366792
he’s wearing a three button suit so it’s okay to button the middle

>>17364005
>what is sprezzatura
Also kings Edward VII "invented" this rule

>>17366798
Edgy faggot being edgy like all modern "actors" are, golden era Hollywood G's would never be caught dead wearing a suit or anything for that matter this sloppily.