/fa/ - Fashion

>>17265981
kmart

i dont know man. im trying to figure it out. im meeting up with some online friends interstate soon and i need to buy a few fits to last me a week. i really dont know where to begin and its bothering the fuck out of me.

>>17266004
This is just embarrassing

>>17266007
yeah but were al anonymous here so i dont give a fuck

>>17265981
What kind of clothes do you need to buy? Australia can be a bit of a desert (especially outside of Sydney and Melbourne), but it's not THAT bad if you're just looking for entry level stuff.

>>17266017
>>17266004
I live in NZ, half of my clothes have come from infinite definite or general pants co because they have some decent labels and frequently have very good sales. Lots of people recommend ILU (i love ugly) and ascolour, but I've regretted everything I've purchased from them, do not recommend either of them. I've purchased a few things from portuguese flannel or cav empt but you get screwed by shipping. I try to thrift and buy used but high end clothes don't seem to exist here in the first place and everything good gets bought up by resellers so quickly.

>>17266017
never heard of online shopping you fucking retard?

>>17266025
the thing about clothes if that sometimes you need to try them on to see if they fit

>>17266025
International shipping is very expensive and there's no guarantee you'll even like the clothing because you cannot try it on until it arrives. Having stores you can walk in to is nicer.

>>17265981
I get most of my daily stuff from Myer and David Jones when they have sales, I get my work pants from YD and my winter/rain jackets from Kathmandu and ebay.

>>17266032
you know theres online shops based in australia you fucking moron?

>>17266038
Tell me where you buy from.

>>17265981
I was thinking of making the same thread OP. I feel like all the shops in Sydney either have tiny men's sections or are completely uninteresting. For major brands, your two options are: fuccboi festival goer (Cotton On, General Pants etc.) or middle aged office worker who goes to the rugby on the weekend (Myers, David Jones).

I know that I must be looking in the wrong places, but it feels like a desert out there.

>>17266032
This is only true for express/courier shipping, I order stuff from the UK every now and then and most of the items sent via royal mail have free shipping.

Albeit, you're looking at a 2-3 week wait.

>>17266025
then tell us what shops you buy from cunt like the OP asked

>>17266046
i am the OP you FUCKING idiot

>>17266049
No, you aren't.

>>17266042
I hate to mention reddit, but the AustralianMFA sub has an up-to-date version of the online clothing retailers from the wiki.

>>17266042
Myer and DJs aren't really comparable, now. Myer has gone down the toilet as it pushes its in-house brands which are all shit quality, and DJs stocks a lot more designer and high-end clothing. Maybe smaller suburban stores are comparable, but even at the Westfield down here in south Sydney, DJs stocks substantially better stuff, and the contrast is even more stark in the CBD stores.

>>17266042
Have you thought about looking up the brands DJ's and the like carry and seeing if they have their own online storefront? Often their in-house catalog is way bigger than what retailers get to resell, even moreso if they have a global storefront.

You could also try The Iconic and ASOS for loads of random brands and styles.

Anyone know where I could get decent chelsea boots in wellington?
I hate buying online because unless its sneakers the sizing never seems to be quite right.
There is an RM Williams here but I heard they are a meme brand now that they are owned by LVMH and their quality went down

>>17266074
I literally just shop online for meme shoes that I see are popular on /fa/ because I don't trust any local shoe brands.

>>17265981
Ausfag here.

I shop at wherever I see decent items.
I've shopped at basic stores like H&M, uniqlo. Normie stores like Zara, YD, tarocash.
YD sales people can be super pushy and annoying, but now there's some good basic clothing items there.

For jeans and more expensive brands I go to David Jones, Myer or I buy online since I know my size.

>>17266074
RMs have definitely dropped in quality since LVMH took over, with worse quality lowers, uppers and also more defective batches. Maybe they'll jump back up in quality now that they're Australian-owned again, but it will take a while for that to pan out. They're still a good quality shoe and will last for 5-10 years if you take good care of them, but there's also not much reason to purchase a brand new pair if there's a decently active second-hand community in Wellington.

Other options would be Carmina (highly recommended), maybe Loake (haven't read up on their Chelsea boots desu), which are both $50-100 cheaper.

>>17266119
I think I saw a store with Loake shoes somewhere the other day, might check it out

>>17266148
Loake list all of their shoes by last on the website (or at least they used to), so if you find a pair that fit, but aren't in a style you like, there may be another pair built on the same last that would be more to your taste. My advice would also be to avoid the cheaper Indian-made shoes they stock, and go for the UK-made ones. Not because the Indian-made shoes are bad (they're fine), but because they're overpriced compared to cheaper options on the market.

>>17266150
that makes sense, ty anon

>>17265981
Salvos and Vinnies

>>17266119
>Maybe they'll jump back up in quality now that they're Australian-owned again, but it will take a while for that to pan out.
I've been really impressed with the quality under the new ownership, so I'd say RMs are back. The guy who bought the company is pretty hardcore about wanting it to be classic RM again, so everything is also made locally again.

As for OP, I'm stumped on finding new clothes that are quality. I used Uniqlo for basics but anything more than that is a total unknown. Stuff from David Jones and Myers is usually overpriced low quality trash, especially their shoes. Finding quality stuff here that isn't insanely priced is difficult, your choices are cheap trash from Kmart or okay stuff from Uniqlo.

>>17266230
When did that happen. If I walk into a store tomorrow will I be getting the "new" ownership stuff

>>17266233
>When did that happen. If I walk into a store tomorrow will I be getting the "new" ownership stuff
He bought the company back in 2020 and things have been back on track since 2021, so you'll get the good stuff. They sell out pretty fast lately so I doubt there's even a remote chance you getting any shitty old stock. Some pairs are even made to order now.

>>17266238
Good to know. I know that there was a defective batch recently (something to do with the leather), but I'm not really a boot guy, so I haven't kept up to date n intimate detail. I was also out at the Sydney DFO on Saturday and saw some clearance pairs of boots going for $499, so might be worth a look for anyone in Sydney who has larger or smaller feet - the kind of sizes that don't sell out quickly.

>>17266261
How are DFOs anyway? I've never been to one but there are 3 here in Melb with a lot of big brands at them. Are the discounts usually decent or pretty shit?

My advice is get thick socks too, they'll be pretty tight and uncomfortable to start with until the leather loosens a bit to your foot shape. Now they're very comfy.

>>17266265
Homebush DFO in Sydney was bit shit. Total nightmare to get to, parking was crap, filled to the brim with Indians, Arabs and all many of undesirable wogs. The prices weren't anything special compared to what was already online (since it's clearance time) and I really only went there to try on a sport coat at the MJ Bale store. RM Williams seemed to have a few things specifically on sale for the physical location and the friend I was with grabbed a couple of good quality belts. The only other store I popped into was Polo Ralph Lauren and that was just a disgusting experience because of how packed it was.

The main takeaway is that both the MJ Bale and RM stores were larger than the locations at my local Westfield, which obviously means more stock and they seemed to carry some pretty OLD stock too, so you could pick up stuff that wasn't even on the websites anymore. There was this super reduced jacket in MJ Bale that I wanted to pick up (would've been $180 or so at checkout) but it was a polyester blend, so I didn't bother. Honestly I wouldn't go again, but I guess it depends on where the outlets are actually located and how tolerant you are of being in outer suburbs. I'm an insane racist, so I didn't really enjoy it.

For what it's worth, the brown people tend to avoid the stores that actually sell good products.

>>17266273
>it depends on where the outlets are actually located and how tolerant you are of being in outer suburbs
I'll go check it out anyway I guess, there are a lot of nice brands at various DFOs here. There's lots of parking at least and it's not Xmas yet.

>For what it's worth, the brown people tend to avoid the stores that actually sell good products.
I see a lot of Chinese in luxury shops unfortunately. It makes the experience feel shitty, I even walked out of some places since I felt more like I was at some cheap market than an expensive store. They just swarm at things like bugs.

>>17266278
The Chinese in Sydney are definitely more concentrated around the CBD, so you'll see them in high-end stores there, but I didn't really see any out west. As for parking, it was the first weekend of school holidays, which I didn't even think about - I just wanted to try on the jacket before they sold out.

>>17266273
please post a fit you would wear on a weekday

>>17266280
>The Chinese in Sydney are definitely more concentrated around the CBD
That's essentially how it is in every city desu, it's where tourists always go. It's like how Times Square is just tourists since that's just what they do.

School holidays is probably what fucked things the worst. The minute that starts, everything around me just fills up to the point of there being no parking anywhere.

>>17266282
no

>>17266032
You live in a shithole who the fuck cares what you're wearing. Most of the time it's fucking hot there anyways so you're forced to wear tank tops & shorts.

>>17266297
>Most of the time it's fucking hot there anyways so you're forced to wear tank tops & shorts.
Maybe if you live in some shithole like NT or WA. Meanwhile SA and the entire East Coast has mostly cool comfy days.

>>17266297
>6C in winter is too spicy for anon

>>17266297
dummy

>>17266297
Nice bait you got them

>>17265981
>navy blue singlet
>brown shorts
>1 pair of thongs
Let me guess, you need more.

I live in New Zealand and cannot fathom why you would buy clothing from anywhere here unless it was very heavily discounted from Fabric, Zambesi or Hunters & Collectors, or the occasional full price item from Cos. I buy all of my clothing online with most of it coming from Japan.

>>17266273
Homebush DFO is always disappointing. Maybe the discounts felt more significant 15 years ago?

>Aussie
>fashion

>>17266303
Queensland tho :(

>>17265981
Like this

>>17265995
This you are not australian if your entire wardrobe isn't from the local kmart

>>17266303
No the east coast is a shithole too. It's either wet or hot as fuck and wet.

>>17266396
This. Fashion doesn't exist in Australia. It's tank tops and shorts in summer and hoodies and jeans in winter.

>>17266527
the belt ruins it for me

>>17266982
I think the belt makes it

>>17266424
Queensland is cooler if you live inland or down south near NSW; Toowoomba gets pretty cold and gets very light snow sometimes too.
Source: lived in Toowoomba for 3 years.

>>17265981
Honest answer for mid 20s corporate drone - most basics I get are mall tier stuff, uniqlo, country road, MJ Bale, cos, assembly label.
For nicer stuff I usually shop online, but sometimes DJs or incu will stock more unique brands at a higher cost. Recently I've been getting into NN07 (available at some DJs) and Arket (only online), plus try Venroy for a local brand with some nice summer wear.

>>17267278
>I usually shop online
How do you know the sizes will be right?

>>17267278
>MJ Bale

>>17267290
Show me a label without blacks lol

>>17267290
i dun seen about everything but i aint never seen this on an australian site before lel

>>17266527
skipped leg day a few times eh cuzzy?

>>17267290
>black model
great, i will now never shop at your store

>>17267311
Maybe some places do it for diversity but I think it is more about attracting darker skinned customers. They've probably figured out that blacks buy their stuff more if they see a black model wearing it well, so they always have 1 black model. Here in NZ we have virtually no africans but they must be using black american models to appeal to islanders and maori customers.

>>17267315
No it's because companies have DEI quotas they have to follow for everyone they hire. Has absolutely nothing to do with marketing whatsoever.

>>17267320
Huh I didn't think quotas would matter when most places only have like 4 models. Thanks

>>17267290
>>17267315
I reckon the average MJ Bale sales assistant can count on one hand the amount of times an African has ever entered their store, and it will remain that way even if they have blacks in their advertising. Africans are hugely overrepresented in our advertising because we're all spiritual Americans.

>>17267344
>Africans are hugely overrepresented in our advertising because we're all spiritual Americans.
I always think this too. I doubt I've even seen 10 Africans IRL in my entire lifetime in this country.

>>17267349
I live in a very white area (most of the Asians just run takeaway shops etc.) and there is a single African family who live here, and it's always quite jarring to see them out and about.

>>17267358
>it's always quite jarring to see them out and about.
Same feel man. I'm in Melbourne and they're super rare, I only know of one and he works at Nike. Asians and Indians are abundant but African is the absolute rarest. I always think "Why did they come here and not America?".

>>17267362
Either refugees or they lucked out.

It's funny to me that we are experiencing this demographic change despite the majority of people being against it ever since it started. Hopefully the geniuses who make these decisions in our name live to get everything they deserve.

>>17267368
It's still not that bad really if we're only seeing maybe a handful in our lifetimes. I think the only really dumb thing is forcing them into advertising when they're a demographic that doesn't even really exist here.

>>17267362
Sheltered

>>17267370
>only a handful
IDK about Aus but every 10 years NZ receives hundreds of thousands of asians and indians who are here to stay, and our middle eastern/african demographic has been growing exponentially. On my street the only other white people are senior citizens. Hugs and kisses to every suit and cat lady who worked hard to make this possible.

>>17267379
Well Asians are everywhere here with Indians in a close second, but African is rarest for sure. Sad to here NZ is so bad.

>>17266017
uniqlo is ok for basic stuff. as colour has decent blank tee shirts. you should own a pair of RMs if you're not a loser

>>17267540
>have chestnut brown RM boots
>only thing i have that works with them is dark blue jeans
what do?

>>17267540
t-shirts are the only thing ascolour does right, their pants and jackets are tragic.

Where can I get some decent but not too expensive jackets? Something that'll be fine through light rain and just being thrown around.

>>17267551
You're going to have to be more specific

>>17267557
My bad. Mostly casual jackets, stuff like a Harrington jacket and that kind of thing. Just stuff I could throw a t-shirt or collared shirt under.

>>17267545
black jeans also works, natural/cream/offwhite pants also works.

>>17267546
yep exactly. their shirts are good. ignore the other products

>>17267562
isn't black pants with brown shoes always a no?
what are some other dark colors that would be alright?

>>17265981
Old guy in his 30s here.

$250+ APC or LVC raw jeans (try to look for them on eBay, don't pay more than $50 for apc, not even necessary, I just still like jeans that are expensive for no good reason as this was the meme back then)
$3.75 Kmart tee shirts
Uniqlo or thrift store button downs.
Thrift store jackets

>>17267568
>30s is old
Please don't say that man, I turn 30 soon :(

>>17266009
yeah we're all anonymous but you're an anonymous loser

>>17265981
My boot rotation

>>17267560
I got a basic overshirt and jacket from neuw denim. Happy enough with the quality and they were on a ~70% off sale iirc.

>>17267563
You could go for an earthy colour palette and get dark green trousers. Otherwise I'd wear dark blue pants and wear something cream-ish coloured on top.
>isn't black pants with brown shoes always a no?
That's just something people say to beginners because it often looks bad, it's certainly not always the case though.

>>17267571
f

>>17267540
dude NOBODY in australia shops at uniqlo except asian uni students, and even then, they all buy designer stuff mostly, north face jackets, etc

>>17267587
Uniqlo has good basics like shirts and pants.

>>17267587
if you can name one other place to get decent quality chinos for under $50, then by all means, go ahead.

>>17267595
>>17267589
normies arent poor bro

>>17267596
Normies don't spend $60-$80 on every pair of pants they own. Most normies here will be $30 shit from Kmart or Target.

>>17267587
what the fuck do you mean nobody? have you ever actually been to one of their stores? they're usually packed. fucking 4channers are the worst people to listen to

>>17267563
>isn't black pants with brown shoes always a no?
who said this? you aren't a model mate, just wear the black pants. It looks fine trust me.

>>17267637
>wanting anon to to the ultimate faux pa
Evil

>>17267606
yeah theyre packed full of
>asian uni students
blind dog

>>17267677
>living in Sydney
You poor bastard. In Vic and Qld, it's white people and (very strangely) latinos in recent months.

bump

i live live in this stupid country. try afends/mr simple/stan ray, uniqlo, asos, iconic

>>17267953
Stupid!?

Do Aussies in big cities dress like others in big cities like say London or New York?

What I'm curious about is how Aussies dress like in very rural areas but also residential/suburban areas

>>17268702
look on google street view.

>>17267540
I refuse to purchase RMs for entirely aesthetic reasons. I HATE the Pitt St cowboy look that so many people in the city have, because the only decent pair of shoes they know about are RMs.

>>17267587
The construction probably isn't great, but they do 100% cotton t-shirts for $20. Don't see why you wouldn't shop there for basics that you plan on trashing desu.

>>17268938
because im not fucking poor lmao

>>17268702
We dress more casually due to the climate but also worse because very few people know about fashion. Law and finance are fairly strict/traditional, but it can be a bit weird. I worked in a barristers chambers as a junior/shitkicker and would sometimes get mocked (jokingly) for wearing brown Derbys, since the dress code was very much black cap-toe Oxfords for every occasion. At the same time, some of the barristers would be wearing jeans and RMs if they knew they didn't have clients coming in that day.

>>17268940
Fair enough. The only place I wear t-shirts is around the house or to the gym, so I don't really see any point in paying for good ones

>>17268938
>I refuse to purchase RMs for entirely aesthetic reasons. I HATE the Pitt St cowboy look that so many people in the city have, because the only decent pair of shoes they know about are RMs.

fair call but I go shooting and am mates with many many farmers from out western NSW and they all own at least one pair of RMs.

don't let a bunch of fags spoil a good thing. those shoes are made in Australia.

>>17268946

I have a very biased sample set because tourists who can visit California from AU/NZ obviously have more means, but all the Aussies/Kiwis I've met come from cities with pretty established art/fashion scenes. The proximity to China/Vietnam means sampling/developing/producing clothing is very fast and easy. And most luxury brands have some representation either in flagships or multi-label in Melbourne, Auckland, etc.

>>17268946
interesting perspective. I found that in my hometown (non-major city but still big not hard to guess), you basically get every non-loser from the ages of 15-35 dressing at:
>general pants co
>universal store
>H&M

So you do have a fairly decent standard of dress here but what I mean by that is that people aren't wearing cargo pants and polo shirts like I've seen in the states.

>>17268999
why dont you just say what city youre in?

>>17268702
The thing about being anglo is that we all dress mostly the same desu. In Australia you'll just find it's a blend of American, British and European styles.

>>17268938
RMs are some of the highest quality boots and are true working mans boots. Farmers swear by them, millionaires swear by them and even our nations leaders do. A lot of PMs actually gift pairs them to other world leaders.

>>17268999
I rarely see cargo pants on the street come to think of it. They were sort of in fashion about 10 or so years ago on teenagers but that was over quick.

>>17269112
>I rarely see cargo pants on the street come to think of it.
me neither, maybe niggas will finally catch up with me

Are there any /fa/ communities in aus/nz? Every blog and guide is directed at and by euros and americans.

>>17269236
Online fashion communities are dead world over outside of garbage facebook groups and dunning-kreuger filled discord servers. You're even less likely to find them down here given the relatively low population and the climate.

>>17265981
Which RM Williams should I be getting if I want them more for daily casual wear use like to wear with jeans?

Do I get the craftsman, turnout or gardener?

>>17269344
Craftsman with the rubber soul.

>>17269344
I got craftsman with leather sole but its very uncomfortable. Get the rubber

>>17269348
>>17269415
These. When I got mine, they asked what I'd be doing in them and mentioned the leather sole is more commonly used for horse riding or things that won't involve lots of walking. Rubber is better for every day wearing and will also last the longest.

>>17269344
Comfort craftsmen dynamic flex go good. Don't order them online, try them on in the shop because the sizing they use isn't normal. I use to work with shies quite a bit, them dropping in quality over time is way over played, I don't think they dropped in quality, I think the price increased and the quality stayed the same. Consider Baxter boots as a cheaper alternative

>>17269429
>Don't order them online, try them on in the shop because the sizing they use isn't normal.
This. I think it's a very old UK size that not even the UK uses anymore or something like that. Going in-store is a good experience anyway, I got a full red carpet treatment whenever I went in.

>Baxter boots as a cheaper alternative
Where can you get those from retail? I wouldn't mind a black pair of knockabouts. Other reccs are also very welcome, my mate wants some cheaper boots too that he can daily.

Incu
uptherestore
supplystore
harrods au
above the clouds
contra
apartment
couple alright places

>>17269432
Pretty sure RM Williams use an archaic "Australian" sizing. I have a pair in size 12 when I'm a size 14 US usually. No idea about where you can get Baxter at retail stores. I moved out bush so I can't even buy a pair of fucking pants at any retail store

>>17269492
How far out bush and why?

Yeah I knew the sizes were weird. I can't even remember the size I am in RMs anymore.

>>17269429
>>17269432
Baxter is good, got a pair in Vintage Sole (there's a couple of stores in Melbourne) that were very worn but I had them re-soled at a cobbler and they cleaned up nicely

Blundstone is another good budget alternative to RMs. The 663 Dress Boot has been my daily boot for ~4 years, still going strong. Aussie Disposals have them. They run large so get one size down.

>>17269557
>663 Dress Boot
Think it'd go well in an office environment? With dress pants of course.

>>17269558
Yeah, I think so. Mine are scuffed to shit but if I polished them up they wouldn't look out of place in the office. Pic related is the 659, same style but in brown. $160 at Aussie Disposals

>>17269563
Based, thanks man. Didn't know Aussie Disposals had anything like that.

>>17265995
based
Kmart's anko shit is seriously underrated

>>17267315
>but I think it is more about attracting darker skinned customers
All fucking two of them.

bump

>>17270010
kek

>>17265981
Pro tip. Volunteer at salvos or a st vinnies. Just tell them you have a few hours to spare a week and just help out a bit and a good chunk of them give mates rates to their volunteers/workers (as in just sell each other stuff for a dollar or 2 unless they're complete squares).

Plus you get first pickings of the good shit before it goes into the shop. They have policies about no one is allowed to buy stuff unless it's been processed in the shop first, but 95% of them don't do this

>>17271127
>mate volunteered at Salvos
>their standard op was to throw shit out that they didn't believe would sell
>friend volunteers to take stuff that will get trashed
>is met with very strict "no" every time
>no mate rates at stores
>he had to dumpster dive after shifts to get the stuff
>Savlos noticed this, started spraying tomato sauce and soap all over things in the trash every day to stop things being taken
Savlos are pure scum and over charge for things anyway, Vinnies is better. Just my two cents on the way Salvos operate.

>>17271143
Yeah some of them can be like that. It's just a technicality that even if you throw things out you can just give it out for free. I'm guessing there is some ppl who abused that at some point throwing out good stuff they wanted and claim it was "rubbish" to try and cop it for free.

From my understanding they're not allowed to let anything leave the store for free as it is seen as stealing. The one I was at was pretty upfront about that and just said if there is anything you want just mention it and they never charged much and the lowest price for things was 50c. So I guess it depends how overly serious the paid workers are but the ones I was at were pretty cool about things, especially if you weren't a complete dropkick about things.

i shoplift everything i wear from culture kings

>>17271160
Doubt it. Culture Kings has mad security

>>17271146
He even offered to pay a little for the things but they were just totally against it. For whatever reason, they just wanted stuff thrown away. There was even a Spyro 1 on PS1 and they wouldn't let it be sold, they said it was "too old for anyone to want" and demanded it go in the trash despite my friends offer to pay for it himself. Salvos just seems to be run by vindictive boomers in my experience.

>>17269344
i have craftsman and gardener. Craftmans always look dressy, they aren't always a high polish exactly but are always shiny. Gardeners are a 'greasy' appearance (not texture) though and can go either way; nice/casual/dressy - much more versatile imo.

>>17268938
>I HATE the Pitt St cowboy look that so many people in the city have, because the only decent pair of shoes they know about are RMs.

You have to embrace the fact that RMs are both are meme and also possibly the highest quality and most versatile dress shoe you could own. They are about a 1 shoe collection.

Anyway, I think the finance bro look has more to do with wearing skinny chinos hemmed above the RM tag than the boots themselves. I wear them under wider trousers that have a slight break and they really pull the fit together in a way that laced shoes don't.

If the fact of them being RMs bothers you so much, get the Rossi 503 Kidman boot, which is apparently the same thing for $399. No idea if they have the same piecemeal replacement scheme that RM has though.

>>17271419
I don't need a pair of RMs, is the thing. I get frustrated because these people could just wear a pair of Derbys from Loake or something, instead.

>>17271422
>Loakes are the same price as RMs
Why even bother?

>>17265981
kmart, uniqlo