/fa/ - Fashion

>>16006607
NEW xiaomi ciga design skeleton shitter (already fully funded)

www.indiegogo.com/projects/ciga-design-x-series-titanium-mechanical-watch

>>16006591
The evidence would be all the other macro shots of Grand Seikos I've ever seen and every Grand Seiko I've handled in person. One of the thing I normally do with luxury watches when I handle them in person is tilt the dials back and forth to see how the light plays off the surfaces. If you do this, there is a certain angle on any watch where the hand edges will catch the light and it will become immediately obvious whether the hand edges are finished or not.

In general, you can differentiate QC issues from what is deemed an acceptable level of finish by a brand on their watches (in a given price range) by looking at multi8ple examples. Just being a regular viewer of Watchfinder & Co.'s videos (ignoring the shilling) will expose someone to macro shots of several examples from every well known luxury and HH watch brand. If you see the same things across several examples from the same brand, it's probably just how they do things, but if you only see it once or twice out of many examples, it's probably cherry picking QC failures.

Is this a panerai? what model?

>>16006625
>The dual-shell structure, equipped with a high-performance sport utility vehicle suspension system, includes a four-angle spring distribution to unveil the all-new CIGADesign anti-vibration capability.
>This feature minimizes the impact of external forces on the watch movement, with stunning shock absorption that protects the mechanism and optimizes the X Series flawless functioning.

this is just like that J&Co $300,000 bugatti watch

>>16006634
>Absolute culinary know nothing who regularly risks giving his viewers Botulism gets pleb-caught by one of the worst value watch brands in existence

Not surprised desu.

>>16006634
It resembles one, but I dont beleive it is.

>>16006625
>>16006639

>>16006651
It's a cool novelty but I'm not young and XTREME enough to make this work.

this watch looks aesthetic as fuck but knowing XM it would likely be 48mm or something like that

this watch looks aesthetic as fuck but knowing XM it would likely be 48mm or something like that

>>16006634
It certainly seems to be a Panerai but you would have to be a real Panerai nerd to be able to recognise it since they all look almost identical.

Today's watch

>>16006634
I recall him shilling some micro brand awhile back so it’s probably one of those.

>>16006634
rotated, enlarged, sharpened

i dont think its a panerai, but im not a entry-luxury-shitter expert

>>16006642
yeah that's what i'm leaning towards now too

i can't find any panerais with sword hands, a bezel insert or subtle crown guards.

>>16006687
Looks like a lume tec senpai-a-lam.

>>16006642
>>16006669
Like >>16006683 indicated, its this >>16006698

Panerai doesnt make bezels like this. Even in their prototypes, theyre bezels have never had indices like it.

>>16006634
It's a Panerai knock-off.

>>16006698
ah yeah looks like you found it.

damn i thought he'd be rolling in dough by now

>>16006707
>>16006715
Panerai watches are the easiest to fake because they are just so plain.

>>16006720
He probably spends all his disposable income on artisan beanies

>>16006720
i think they are all just employees with regular income. The channel makes the money. Not sure how bad it has gotten since that Sohla(?) drama.

(No, i dont watch gay cooking channels. But this was all over /ck/ a while back)

>>16006720
He has young kids. They’re really expensive.

>>16006715
can it be a knockoff when the original was so shit?

>>16006731
yes, lol

>>16006721
I do like them though

>>16006727
That bitch ruined my only para(social) relationship. What am I supposed to do when not shitposting on 4chan. Real people can get fucked.

>>16006731
Bell and ross just make square Panerai knock offs / Sinn cockpit instruments on a strap

>>16006671
the bracelet is abit much but these old jap chronos are very nice

>>16006735
> I do like them though
Many people seem to. I have a bunch of friends who aren't into watches and most of them have said if they ever get a big bonus they want a Panerai watch. I died a little inside when they told me.

Most underrated Rolex coming through.

>>16006729
>>16006727
damn needing a stable income & security sucks. too bad he couldn't have made his own channel like claire.

babish has got that fuck you money already it seems like

>>16006748
I would agree for modern production. Pic related would be my vote for over all though.

>>16006749
I like him, its a fun channel to watch every once in awhile.

>>16006744
>simple
>recognizable
>300m water resistance
It makes sense to a lot of people. There are two I have in mind that I would like. One is a radiomir with a rotating inner 24 hour bezel, and the other is the 42mm blue dial on steel bracelet

>>16006759
>>16006748
Sorry forgot pic

Why does every Rolex look the same?

>>16006749
iirc Babish comes from money and was also some kinda financial guy before YouTube.

>>16006744
This animosity toward Panerai never fails to make me laugh. Yeah, the entry models are shit just like every other luxury brand. Their real niche is innovative materials science and development. They made pic related by 3D printing the titanium case. The carbon fiber composite they use to make cases on some watches is also as far as I know proprietary.

Panerai is owned by Richemont, which means they have an unbelievable amount of resources and capital available to them. This allows them to produce (or at the very least co-opt and say they produce) high end complications like tourbillons, minute repeaters, equations of time etc.

Frankly I find it highly amusing that most of the people shitting on Panerai probably own exclusively shitters and are relying on preconceived notions read on forums that are 10 years old. Would I buy one new? No. Would I buy one over IWC or any other creatively bankrupt entry-level luxury Swiss brand? Potentially, yes.

>>16006772
So people can recognise them.

>>16006775
To back you up on your post. The entire creation of Anonimo is a result of ex-Parnerai workers who made some great stuff before them being sold off too.

>>16006741
lots of brands do panerai homages. Like dozens
its probably the ease of dial manufacturing
this whole microbrand is just panerai homage
gruppogammawatches.com

>>16006772
because the sub is their most successful watch and they cannot design good looking watches for shit now

>>16006775
>Yeah, the entry models are shit just like every other luxury brand.
only for (((swiss))) luxury brands who see no shame in selling a base ETA for $4k

>>16006783
You can extrapolate it almost across the board with few exceptions. The hot conspiracy theory over the last few years is that Patek has moved to machine-finishing Calatravas since they are no longer bound by the Geneva Seal. I've read that you have to buy a minute repeater or better to get lots of genuine hand finishing on a movement from Patek these days, but I take all this with a grain of salt. The fact I've seen the idea repeated over and over does give me pause. Entry level Royal Oaks are also mostly or entirely machine-finished these days.

Some exceptions are ALS in which you can get a Saxonia Thin with comparable finishing to their higher end stuff and of course GS which is run by Japanese autists.

>>16006742
What goes better with a 70s chronograph than a 70s Speidel expansion bracelet?

>>16006748
>fat and chunky looking
>but with a fluted bezel like putting a tutu on a pig
>gaudy birthday balloon numerals
>full inner ring for no fucking reason just to cut outer bigger numerals off
>anemic partially skeletonised hands
>the usual wall of text and cyclops wart

this is pure visual AIDS
if it didnt say ROLEX you wouldnt even give a shit

>tfw no robot womb watch

>>16006805
That looks like the ship Woll Smoth and Jew Goldblum piloted in Independence Day

>>16006805
a jumping hours watch that actually looks good?
the shape vaguely reminds me of a polly pocket
very effay

>air-king
>a weird mismash of the Oyster, Datejust and Explorer

What were they thinking?

>>16006775
>>16006777
those anonimo look like shit. is that what your saying or am I missing something here.

>>16006849
>What were they thinking?
"We need to put our spare old stock parts on some shitter so we can sell it to the retards who keep buying anything with a crown on it"

>>16006849
I love the explorer dial air-king. Closest thing to a white dial explorer.

>design a watch that maybe only a few thousand per year would ever use

What were they thinking?

>>16006801
You've clearly never handled one.
1) On the wrist, it's not fat and chunky due to the way the case hugs the wrist. In 2D pictures though....that fattens out everything.
2) The fluted bezel is actually part of the setting mechanism. It has different positions which allow you to select which complication to set (i.e. time, GMT, Month, etc.). Brilliant actually, and I've never seen it in another watch yet. Very easy to use once you get used to it.
3) The numerals are big because GMT. There are lots of GMTs in the industry that have this configuration (i.e. numerals instead of indices).
4) Partially Skeletonized hands allow you to always be able to read the GMT disk.
5) Cyclops helps as you get older, and the wall of text is what they do now for anti-counterfeit (if it actually works is another story).

I think you should try one on, then see if you feel the same way. They're awesome watches in terms of engineering and design, and thankfully they don't have the crazy aftermarket price increase like a SS model.

>>16006875
Mechanical watches aren't about function, they're about luxury and emotion costumed using function as a selling point.

>>16006875
The regatta timer is a really interesting complication, and the Yacht-Master II is arguably the best example of it ever made. Historically lots of brands have made regatta timers with varying levels of success including Heuer in the 70s. It's a fairly difficult complication to get right and designing the dial of one is a challenge - they typically end up looking like a mess.

The Rolex is probably the best regatta timer you can buy, but I think it's completely hideous. The reason it gets praised is because you are able to change the timer itself to any interval between 1 and 10 minutes, while traditional regattas typically stuck to either the 10 minute interval or 5 minute intervals. The 4 o'clock pusher advances the timing hand. I'm not sure why they decided to spend so much time and money developing it, seems far too niche and obscure for Rolex.

>>16006849
>What were they thinking?
They had spare parts that they needed to get rid of, not even kidding

>>16006914
>the wall of text is what they do now for anti-counterfeit
lmao the state of rolex keks
holy cope

I'm looking for a cheap (<$300) watch for work. I'm a warehouse manager and I need something durable and accurate.

So far my potential list includes:
>G-Shock Retro 1990s Digital Three Eyes DW-5900TH-1JF
https://www.shoppinginjapan.net/dw-5900th-1jf
>Victorinox Swiss Army Night Vision
https://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-241596-Vision-Stainless-Rubber/dp/B00BFIEI68/ref=pd_sim_2?pd_rd_w=sylyG&pf_rd_p=5dadc1ab-1aea-4988-b62f-4dbe559e6cca&pf_rd_r=6QGE3TJVGZ3FB3WV3V3V&pd_rd_r=92ad4e0f-e5bf-4e81-ad36-93eaa9390812&pd_rd_wg=leydY&pd_rd_i=B0711VCR6L&th=1
>Luminox Evo Navy Seals
https://www.amazon.com/Victorinox-241596-Vision-Stainless-Rubber/dp/B00BFIEI68/ref=pd_sim_2?pd_rd_w=sylyG&pf_rd_p=5dadc1ab-1aea-4988-b62f-4dbe559e6cca&pf_rd_r=6QGE3TJVGZ3FB3WV3V3V&pd_rd_r=92ad4e0f-e5bf-4e81-ad36-93eaa9390812&pd_rd_wg=leydY&pd_rd_i=B0711VCR6L&th=1

Any other watches I should consider? I have a Seiko SKX which is certainly durable, but not very accurate; so I think I want to go quartz.

>>16006849
Is it just me or are those hands too small for that dial?

>>16006962
its just you

>>16006941
he's this retarded loser who replies to literally everybody in the threads jerking off about how smart he is when he has the most low IQ takes. basically an avatarfag because he's also constantly posting images of watches he doesn't own every single post. all he does is defend shit ass swiss watch design and if you call him out he starts sperging because he's actually a peabrain that just repeats things he's heard on forums
>>16006960
A G-Shock G5600E which is a solar model with no gay ass bluetooth, or just the 5610 which has the radio and shit, or just a regular 5600. it's the best shape and size g-shock overall and just shows info, no bs. alternatively a citizen promaster diver eco-drive w/e. $200-$250 and just work great if you want analog, amazing lume and specs. the victorinox is annoying in actual practice and not very comfortable, luminox is a shit company that makes really silly overly tacticool watches

>>16006775
Those are all things the Richemont Group does and then puts a Panerai name on the front. Panerai itself does nothing but shove Richemont Group movements into cases/dials so easy to replicate that replicas are literally indistinguishable from real ones.

>>16006985
What does Panerai actually do that makes them a luxury watchmaker?

>>16006993
Good marketing.

Best rectangular shaped ? watches which is good but not as expnsive as jaeger lecoultre reverso?
Better if it is not big because i am quite skinny. Tired of wearing round-shaped watches.

>>16006962
Damn. You're right. The hour hand should be right up against the hour markers.

>>16007008
it's very common with rolex. maybe it's time to admit rolex is just bad at design

>>16006749
Been seeing a lot of GMTs here and there on youtube and no one even notices. Not surprising as it's mostly children but pretty disappointing.

>tfw I still can't find a titanium G-shock kit that delivers to my country
:(

>>16007004
I like the nomos tetra but it's a little overpriced imo.

>>16007004
cartier tank or if thats still too expensive, rotary cambridge

>>16006993
They make luxury watches. Here's a watch with no lubricants that they guarantee for 50 years.

let's go back to /g/

>>16007032
>>16007039
thank you kind friends,will look into that suggested watches

>>16006993
>What does Panerai actually do that makes them a luxury watchmaker?
Marketing and paid celebrity endorsements. The original, real, Panerai that the Richemont Group bought was so fucking shit that Richemont had to fire everyone, move the brand to Switzerland, and conglomerate it even though that's not how Richemont normally operates their watch holdings (who they normally allow to operate much more independently from each other than Swatch or LVMH do).

>>16007004
Cartier Tank solo, Rotary Cambridge if the Tank is still too much.

>>16007062
>Rotary Cambridge
Does Rotary use Ronda quartz?

>>16007046
Panerai neither designed nor manufactured that movement, Richemont Group's ETA equivalent did.

kek

>>16007072
It's fine if you want to be autistic regarding ValFleurier and similar workshops like La Joux-Perret and Fleurier Ebauches as long as you know that the people who give a shit or have even heard of those things is so miniscule as to be totally insignificant. I'll take a movement designed and executed by the haute horlogerie wing of ValFleurier over some no-name in-house any day of the week.

God forbid I tell you that the caliber used by Vacheron Constantin in the entry level Fifty-Six had the components manufactured by ValFleurier. Oh, the humanity.

>>16006853
The original Anonimo was function and function only. The case was made to allow repairs to be made while the divers where within the bell.

>>16007057
>The original, real, Panerai that the Richemont Group bought was so fucking shit that Richemont had to fire everyone

I think you are blowing this way out of proportion. Panerai was in a rought spot financially, yes, but its not like you are making it out to be.

>>16007052
you seem to have forgotten why this thread was moved from /g/

>>16007089
This is a really interesting topic that most people probably aren't aware of. Richemont has a movement manufacturer called ValFleurier that provides ebauches to certain brands under the umbrella. Sometimes they do more than just provide ebauches, whether it be assembly or decoration, but for most brands they simply get the concepts from ValFleurier and it is up to the brand to assemble and decorate the movement.

This has led to some consternation among the watch community. A notorious example was when people realized what appeared to be the same movement was sold in both the Baume & Mercier Clifton 8 Days and the IWC Portofino 8 Days, yet both appeared to claim the movements were developed entirely in-house.

The question of whether or not an ebauche provided by ValFleurier disqualifies a movement from the nebulous in-house classification is not very clear. It doesn't really bother me, unless the movement is used by other brands and not easily distinguishable. The problem, at least in Richemont, is that the watchmakers at the top frequently move around from brand to brand to assist with whatever project is ongoing, so it is to be expected that there is some overlap.

This is all common practice in the industry, it's just not something talked about often.

Ok so.

I'm fairly new to watches, so please forgive me if any of what I ask is retarded. I recently purchased my first watch ever, a Seiko SSA413J1, picrel. I know, I know, open heart blah blah I like it. Anyway I'm wondering if I would be able to buy a bracelet for it and attach it if I want? I would just like the option. Lug width is 22mm if that helps. Am I locked into only the leather (which do actually quite like btw)?

How would I go about doing this if it's possible? Would only certain bracelets work (again, 22mm) and would I need a spring bar tool or other tools too?

Thanks anons

>>16007189
Here's what I'm talking about with the B&M Clifton and the Portofino.

post weird but cool watches

>>16007196
Just realised that I'm wrong and the internet lied to me, it's 20mm

Any recommended straps for my 5610? I’d quite like something a bit more flexible like canvas or even a NATO.

>>16007189
>The problem, at least in Richemont, is that the watchmakers at the top frequently move around from brand to brand to assist with whatever project is ongoing, so it is to be expected that there is some overlap.
That is just good practice though. Especially for design. Mixing up design engineers from time to time allows for knowledge to be transferred across individuals.

>The question of whether or not an ebauche provided by ValFleurier disqualifies a movement from the nebulous in-house classification is not very clear
The all "in house" stuff is marketing for the most part as we know. Rolex and Tudor abuse the hell out of it. While there are some instances where it means something. It ultimately means little.

Although I believe for the most part, it is a benefit to the industry to strive for different movements to see what can be made. Biver also mentioned this.

>>16007211

>>16007234
> Rolex and Tudor abuse the hell out of it
You'll have to explain that because if there was one brand you could guarantee to be 100% in-house it would be Rolex.

>>16007227
whats wrong with the one it came with?

>>16006639
>sport utility vehicle suspension system
Sure.

>>16007246
It’s too stiff.

>>16006625
>ciga
So it's for gypsies then?

>>16007234
>That is just good practice though. Especially for design. Mixing up design engineers from time to time allows for knowledge to be transferred across individuals.
I agree it is generally good practice, but not when you mislead your customers (accidentally or not). This is just one example of pretty deceptive marketing tactics, but it's fairly flagrant:
>>16007208
You can visit the old TZ thread in which people realized they hadn't actually gotten a movement fully developed by IWC (or B&M).

I agree that the in-house term has lost almost all meaning, but evidently not to the autist with an axe to grind against Panerai, which is what started this whole conversation.

>>16007253
>>16007246
>>16007227
Actually I take it back. I found a strap adaptor and it looks like trash.

>>16007242
https://www.bobswatches.com/rolex-blog/resources/aegler-became-rolex-movement-maker.html
>officially buy out a partner
>everything is in-house now !

It just works out that way at times.

>>16007261
Thats fair, I didnt put much thought to that.

>>16007211
I don't give a fuck if it's childish, I love this watch.

>>16006797
I heard PP has 4 different tiers of movement finishing now.

>>16007275
>officially buy out a partner
>everything is in-house now
I don't see a problem with that and it was over 16 years ago. Long before the current in-house meme.

>>16007282
you can just say things like that without some kind of proof

>>16007089
It matters in this case because Panerai never had any in-house movement design and manufacturing capabilities. It was shoving ebauches into cheap to manufacture and finish cases from the beginning.

It only rose to fame because of marketing and secret paid celebrity endorsements which then caught the imagination of watch buying normies. As such, it seems to me to be entirely disingenuous to try and defend Panerai as a brand on the basis of movement R&D and manufacturing done by ValFleurier. It's ValFleurier that should get the credit.

>>16007096
Not really. Panerai was purchased for its name, design IP, and customer base. Richemont moved Panerai manufacturing to Switzerland under their own control because they were unhappy with the quality being produced in Italy and didn't think they could get away with charging Panerai prices for that level of quality long-term.

>>16007189
In general, I wouldn't begrudge Panerai it's ValFleurier movements, but when someone tries to defend Panerai on the basis of its innovative movements, I think it's relevant to point out that Panerai has nothing to do with those except casing them.

Also, if Panerai's were priced appropriately for the level of workmanship applied to their movements and exteriors, it would also be fine, but as it is Panerai is one of the most overpriced brands on the market.

>>16007288
Ya I dont either but people act like rolex has been building all the parts for there watches since the 1920s and it simply isnt true. Their vertical integration is fairly recent. Like I said I think it's a whole lot different then the 'swiss made' shenanigans but its something people should be aware of.

>>16006607
Hi, /lit/ anon here trying to look less like a goblin.
> Your budget
Easily sub $100. Even better if sub $50. I only want it to be an accessory.
> Watch type, e.g. dress, diver, pilot
Dress? Maybe casual. I'm looking for something I can wear everyday to work.
> Movement, e.g. automatic, hand wound, quartz
I don't care.
> Desired features, e.g. water resistance, day/date, 2nd time zone
I don't care.
> Preferred strap option, e.g. leather, nylon, bracelet
Leather probably. Looks more /lit/ imo.
> Wrist size or desired watch size
Wrist is 18cm measured tight. Probably want a circular watch.

>>16007290
Someone in some yt video that i can't remember now.

>>16007323
Date dere casio mtp breh.

>>16007323
I should also add that I'd like something really simple that I can wear with almost anything.

>>16006797
At least VC does all their movements except their entry level line to Geneva Seal standards.

>>16007323
Get a Citizen Eco-Drive, any model you like under $100. Many leather options and the solar battery means you can get more than 10 years out of it. I figure you'll find that very practical. Very good quartz movement too.

>>16007323
Casio Edifice EFR-S108D

>>16007323
Vostok

>>16007308
>I think it's relevant to point out that Panerai has nothing to do with those except casing them.
Proof?

>>16007323
unironically a Daniel Wellington/emporio Armani or whatever fashion brand, since (if i understood correctly) you don't give a shit about watches or horology but just want a cool fashion piece. But only if you find it at a discounted price and keep in mind youre buying a bad quality watch (but it will still last you years)

>>16007351
>"Easily sub $100. Even better if sub $50. I only want it to be an accessory."
>Suggests $150 watch

>>16007333
The one and only.

>>16007308
Why does it matter whether they developed the movements entirely on their own or not? Unless other brands are using the same movements and just decorating them differently, you'd have to have an unbelievably narrow view of what it means to produce a caliber in-house to say that something provided by ValFleurier does not count.

Even the legal definition disagrees since watches under Richemont proudly declare they are fully developed in-house despite getting ebauches from ValFleurier. I'm really not sure what you're arguing.

>>16007329
>>16007338
>>16007340
>>16007342
>>16007351
>>16007360
ty for recs. What do we think about something like pic? Idk. It looks good to my untrained eye and it's sub $50. As long as she ticks for two or three years then I'm happy.
https://www.amazon.ca/Minimalist-Fashion-Simple-Analog-Leather/dp/B08H1V5C8J/ref=sr_1_44?crid=35WVI5T502RI5&dchild=1&keywords=mens%2Bwatches&qid=1614806800&refinements=p_72%3A11192169011%2Cp_36%3A12035761011&rnid=12035759011&s=fashion&sprefix=mens%2Bw%2Cfashion%2C200&sr=1-44&th=1
or
https://www.amazon.ca/Timex-TW2P75800-Reader-Gold-Tone-Leather/dp/B00YTY4ABI/ref=sr_1_1?crid=EA21GAYRJSZG&dchild=1&keywords=mens%2Bwatches%2Btimex&qid=1614807068&sprefix=mens%2Bwatches%2Btim%2Caps%2C194&sr=8-1&th=1

>>16007390
in the end it's what you want
it's a true fashion shitter that we make fun of in the OP, but don't let that stop you
it should last about two years from the moment you set the battery if it's not pure junk
don't buy timex shit, i'd rather take the unspecified japanese quartz movement in the first one

>>16007343
https://monochrome-watches.com/watchtime-wednesday-panerai-became-manufacture/

This tells the story of how ValFleurier's technical director developed Panerai's movement strategy and does all the R&D, manufacturing, finishing and assembly of ValFleurier movements for Panerai watches.

>>16007365
It matters because someone up thread was trying to defend Panerai on the basis of having highly innovative movements, but, in the first place, ValFleurier should get the credit for those movements. Secondly, those innovative ValFleurier movements are a rounded in error in Panerai's business compared to their absurdly overpriced run of the mill models.

>>16007390
Don't get a pvd black one. It will just scratch and look like shit. On a cheap watch the coating will suck and you will regret it. Just get a stainless steel one anon.

>>16007390
Just go ob aliexpress if you can wait for the shipping you'll get stiff crap better price. Maybe even look at a cheap auto like starking or casiden

>>16007429
Cadisen* my dyslexic ass cant spell

Wrist check?

>>16007453
Yup that's a wrist

>>16007456
Phew

How well does the square G-shock (DW5600) fit on skinny 6" wrists?

>>16006875
Old rich people are known for their love of yachting. Horology and navigation have always been entwined as well.

>>16007460
you might want to look into baby G or similar sized models (some don't have the baby G branding if that would bother you otherwise)

>>16007465
>>16006875
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America%27s_Cup
>1851
Its an incredilby well honored sporting event

>>16007460
The GWM5610 is slightly smaller and fits fine on my 6" wrist.

>>16007453
Wearing my ridiculous digital.

>>16007517
Nice. I love the aesthetics of vintage digital watches.

>>16007453
Still enjoying my new PMD56-2592. In my mind this is the best simple modern pilots watch on the market. One neat feature it has that I'm really appreciating is that that bracelet sizing can be adjusted on the fly using a second set of pushers on the clasp that allow the bracelet to be adjusted to it's 3 micro adjustment positions. Just add it to the list of excellent functional design choices on this watch.

>>16007308
I just do not believe that Panerai's quality was just so outstandingly trash is what I am trying to say.

They just fiscally they would not be able to survive without being apart of Richemont for the reasons that you listed though.

Spaghetti Scameti is actually pretty funny 9/10

>>16007531

What do the "NO", "RX" and other things on the inner dial do and how do they work? Do the hands point to them with the push of the button at 4 o'clock?

>>16007531
I truly love the design of the knurled crown and shear guards on this watch.

>>16007408
I find it amusing that you are exactly the type of person I was talking about in my initial post. Using this article as evidence that Panerai does nothing but case movements when it was written 7 years ago before they moved to a massive new factory is either wildly disingenuous or ignorant. ValFleurier came up with their initial movement development plan and has since taken a backseat. According to this article, Panerai now manufactures 95% of their movements in-house and handles all assembly (unless you think they're lying). Don't worry, this one is more recent and actually relevant to the conversation.

https://www.esquire.com/uk/watches/a33818457/panerai-factory-visit/

I guess you also think the guys working on minute repeaters are ValFleurier plants, as are all the guys working in the Laboratorio de Idee. Hell, maybe the whole factory is nothing but ValFleurier employees! I think I might buy a Panerai in the future just to make poorfags seethe (I'll probably go used though).
>>16007534
To call that poster disingenuous would be a gross understatement. Panerai was an utter nonfactor in that they were selling far less than 1000 watches a year when Richemont and Bonati took over. They had come out with very few watches and were involved in all sorts of other things like dive tools and radio equipment. They didn't even release their first branded watch until 1993 and were bought by Richemont only 4 years later.

watches are gay

>>16007453

>>16007548
Yes. When you push the button the second hand moves to point to High, Medium, or Low if it received signal successfully last time it tried to radio sync, or NO if it did not sync successfully. If you hold the button the second hand will move to RX to indicate that the watch is in receiving mode. Afterwards the second hand catches up to where it should be on the running seconds.

In order to be able to that, and the hand alignment correction functions, the H100 movement can move the second hand in very small increments rather than only in 1 second increments. This probably also explains why the second hand has very little backlash when it ticks the seconds.

Which watch in the sub 2k price range has the nicest bracelets on the level of VC or AP? I mean, of course not 100% that level of quality but some have to come really close right? The 100k prices won't be all bracelet quality and a ceiling is reached at some point right? To me, the most important factor, even before general look/style, is comfort. And I like bracelets. So which one at 2k or lower?

>>16007592
What matters to you for bracelet quality? Because the best finished bracelets below $2k don't have the most adjustability for size and don't have the least side to side flex, so there are some trade-offs there.

>>16007589

Interesting. My Citizen has a "sweeping" second hand on the chono. I've wondered how they do that with a quartz movement. I've got an older Seiko chorno from the 1980s that does the same. Don't see that often now.

>>16007598
Micro adjust is really nice but not a must. I mean I get to try on the watch, with some luck it fits just fine without it. The most important factor would be robustness and smoothness. That means solid links, a good clasp, a smooth finish without rough edges. And I like a silent bracelet, meaning when I shake it, that it doesn't make an unstable noise like many cheap bracelets do. It's hard to describe, I don't mean the noise the single links do when they move against each other, I mean when the bracelet has some wiggle room at the case integration or at the clasp. That's the robustness I am talking about. When I see videos of a VC Overseas for example, that looks and sounds like a nice bracelet. And I wonder if there is something for 1/10th the price.

>>16006875
I'd bet there are more people using the Yachtmaster for yachting than there are people diving with a Sub

>>16007636
Kek. Good point.

>>16007598
btw what is side to side flex

>>16007453

If someone was to give you a submariner to wear for one year, would you choose with, or without the date?

>>16007745
without.
it's not a perpetual calendar so I'd have to adjust the date anyway

would you sell your anal virginity for your dream watch?

Who's the Rick Owens of the watch world

>>16007539
Why not just write a joke on the dial instead?

>>16007761
>implying /wt/ regulars still have their anal virginity

Grand Seiko needs to step up on their watch design. The dial, and finish are top tier, but the case and bracelet design leave a lot to be desired.

They would look so much nicer and expensive with just better design there.

>>16007793
yeah it looks really ugly actually. wrist shots are fine but whenever you just look at a stock image the case and bracelet look like a seiko 5 shitter

>>16007601
I read somewhere they put the motor into oil to dampen the ticks. Or something like that, i can't remember exactly.

>>16007727
Is that a mannequin's hand?

>>16007453

I've never owned a watch with a steel bracelet. Can anyone explain what 'good' bracelet design calls for? I literally just see the same thing in every bracelet and I know it's stupid but I can't not.

>>16007822
Overview of circle-jerking on bracelets
>adjustable clasp
I live in a hot place so this is a must; being able to adjust on the fly is a fantastic addition to any bracelet. Rolex's Glidelock is probably the standard for this.
>solid end links
contentious. I have a very strong preference for this on modern watches but the rattle of older bracelets is surprisingly charming. Does add weight to it ofc
>fully articulating links
people get a hard on for this, basically makes a watch more supple and wearable. not that important to me though.
>screws not pins
pins are a PIA to deal with but with harder metals (titanium for example) it's pretty much impossible not to have pins.
>taper
v important to make bracelets comfortable imo, omega seamaster 300's have 0 taper as does (most) grand seiko which sucks balls for the money you are schilling out for them

ty for coming to my ted talk.

>>16007592

Might have a look at the Tag Heuer Link if you're into bracelets and I think you could find one for around 2k.

>>16006748
why does it have 9 at the 6 o'clock?

>>16007879
>50m WR
joke watch

>>16007891
kek

>>16006849
parts bin special

What is the Dior 21cm of the watch world?

>>16008005
Blancpain bathyscape

With price not being a factor, rank them.

>2,1,3

>>16008015
222 > all

>>16008015
Polished metal on flat metal triggers me

>>16008015
Overseas, Nautilus, then AP
The AP has the best bracelet but the worst everything else. The VC's bracelet integrates the logo but I can't bring myself to like it all that much.

>>16007453

>>16006625
>3 atm water resist

>>16008015
1,3,3

>>16006748
Abomi

>>16008015
>>16008020
17000 > all.

>>16006960
Certina DS 2
all rounder office watch
high accuracy quartz, get it at somewhere like jomashop for <$300.
>Certina boasts on their website that this thermo-compensation makes their PreciDrive movement 20 times more accurate than a standard quartz, equating to an average chronometric error of just +/-0.07 seconds per day (+/-10 seconds per year)
>>16007323
timex marlin handwind 34
its the most /effay/ cheap shitter there is
pic related, make sure you get the 34mm one

>>16007390
thats garbage, please do not buy

is Fortis a good brand or a bad brand?

>>16008140
They are way fucking overpriced, moreso than Swiss shit already is

I must obtain more vintage chronographs but prices are fucked on anything decent. Woe is me

Should knock off watches be avoided or are they good enough as long as you don't let someone examine it? What's a price range I should stick to and what are some things to avoid when I know I'm getting a knock off

>>16008207
Do you mean fake as in a bagel sport or fake as in citizen movement with Rolex stamped onto some pot metal dial

Convince me to ditch my smartwatch

>>16008212
Fake as in something in the <$50 range on wish. its probably where I'd be looking

>>16006748
I hate how the calendar cuts into the numerals.

>>16008207
>>16008231

do you mean fakes (with a fake rolex logo for example) or homages? (looks like a rolex but has its own logo)

homages are fine. Some are even great like this San Martin 1958, since the original is near unattainable now, and it has great stats on its own. Avoid the $20 ones, pagani design/parnis makes good enough ones at $75 on aliexpress

dont look on wish look on aliexpess

>>16008250
>looks like a rolex but has its own logo
This
>dont look on wish look on aliexpess
Thanks that should get me started. I'd just like to get a few that I can pair with fancy pens for college

what's the best way to sell an old rolex date that i have?

>>16008275
np
go on aliexpress and search pagani design/parnis/corgeut/steeldive----> sort by order. If you are feeling extra fancy go for san martin (higher grade)

these watches have great stats-value, far greater than any major brand will give you. Look for the ones with seiko(NH3x) or miyota movement inside. If you dont care about /mechanical/ the quartz versions are even cheaper. They have homages of lots of stuff

the profits are already spread very thinly for these watches, the movement itself is already ~$40, add in sapphire and machining the bracelet... any cheaper the corners are cut too much and it stops being a good purchase

When will Omega start cranking out limited edition Speedys?

>>16008333
Have you been living under a rock for the past few decades anon?

>>16008335
Limited edition of the new 3861 Speedmasters.

>>16008144
>>16008140
is Fortis the swiss answer to german toolwatch brands like Sinn and Damasko?

Ah yes, mechanical ""tool"" watches

>>16008343
Rolex and its consequences have been a disaster for the Swiss watch industry.
Fortis was always just a decent tool watch maker but they are leaning super hard into marketing and heritage and the price as risen 10x. It's not worth it.

"hello guise"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ef-bAnPCEY

TWO WORLD WARS
W
O

W
W

Idgaf this is peak performance wristwatch. Fuck your s o i fuck your s w i s s fuck your pussy prissy bitch watches

>>16008382
Based. These are the OG MUDMEN

New Gentry video featuring MAAAAArk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ef-bAnPCEY

>>16008324
Fuck you and anyone else that blatantly supports the chinks copying everyone else

>>16008382
Pretty nice. Assuming that's yours keep it serviced well anon.

>>16008250
Oh god>>16008324
>>16008231
>>16008207

>>16008349
i wear my mechanical watches when im not jogging, not using machinery (drilling etc), not biking, not golfing and not shooting. Besides that they can pretty much handle anything.

>>16008402
damn anon nice shoes

>>16008397
>nooooo you must spend $30,000!
everyone copies, even european brands
you'll never guess which of these is actually the real original

>>16007539
I like how fucked the date alignment is

Thoughts on this watch?

>>16008433
Prefer the Saxonia line, by quite some margin.

>>16007879
If that's genuine patina that's one of the best looking rolexes I've ever seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCfU-tDGFMs

kek

>>16008433
>>16008435
For me, an ALS has gotta have arabic numerals.

>>16007553
I didn't realize that Richemont had changed the way Panerai was operated since 2014. Up until that change, ValFluerier was making the "Panerai" movements in their entirety and Panerai was just casing them. Thanks for linking an article with some useful information in it.

>>16008421
>you'll never guess which of these is actually the real original
Neither of them

>>16008433
it is not a watch to show off with, its a stealth flex. for those that appreciate watch movements as it has a more fluid and precise 6Hz movement compared to other Langes.

>>16008382
>32mm
nice ladies watch

>"It's Full of Stars" Edition

WITHOUT citing that one image that is always posted on here (and which originated on Reddit, by the way), tell me why Omegafags don't jerk each other off over dial finishing like Grand Seiko faggots?

>>16008526
because they aren't autistic. they just like shit that looks cool.

>>16008526
because instead of quality craftsmanship they jerk each other off over cringey fictional characters like SNOOPY and JAMES BOND XDDD

when is the disney Frozen tie in?

>>16008535
You don't know anything.

>>16008535
A blue and white Frozen Speedmaster with snowflake motif finishing on the movement could actually look pretty cool

>>16008526
Because Omega's external finishing is only acceptable for the prices they charge, and only was really brought up to that standard in the last 10 years or so. Before that poster 1980s Omega's had Tissot-tier external finishing.

Basically, exemplary external finishing has never been a big selling point for modern Omegas, so why would the fanbase jerk each other off about it?

Meanwhile, exceptional external finishing is a core part of what GS does and thus the fanbase do jerk each other off about it.

>>16008535
I would take a Silver Snoopy watch over ANY Grand Seiko without a moment's hesitation.

>>16008542
Cuckoo clocks are pretty dope

>>16008547
I said dial finishing. Not external finishing generally. I estimate that over 50% of initial, non-reply posts about Grand Seiko on /wt/ are specifically about dials and dial texture specifically.

>>16008549
>muh cartoon dog
er huh. cringe

>>16008563
You truly do not know anything about the Silver Snoopy do you?

>>16008563
that snoopy watch would get you more ass than all the rolexs in the world

>>16008549
are you a child or mentally retarded?

>>16008568
stop trying to fuck grandmas

>>16008566
>>16008568
When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

1 Corinthians 13:11

Should I sell it and get a Roooooooleeeeeeeecks?

>>16008580
No, you should sell it and get one of the new Omega Speedmasters.

>>16008574

>>16008580
That piece has a lot more character than any Rolex. So, no.

>>16008583
there are grand seikos that cost double that

money is not an indication of worth or taste anyway. This RM costs $500,000

>>16008562
Ah, sorry, misread your initial question. Fundamentally, I think the answer is because Omega and Grand Seiko are using very different kinds of stories to sell their watches in the watchfag's imagination.

Omega sells *stories* about their watches. Stories about going to the moon, or saving a mission, or being a spy. Dial finishing is sort of peripheral to the type of appeal that Omega is trying to make to customers.

Conversely, Grand Seiko is selling a story of traditional Japanese dedication to craftsmanship and fine detail execution (which is why they use all those Japanese nature inspiration stories for the various dials). Because these stories are basically about how the dials and watches over all look and how they are crafted, their dial finishing is a point of focus.

>>16008583
what's your point

>>16008589
>there are grand seikos that cost double that
and none have half the joie de vivre or character of the Silver Snoopy watches.

>>16008591
This is a good response

>>16008589
Has a Grand Seiko ever been to the MOON?
No? Well then shut the fuck up nerd.

>>16008598
>joie de vivre
that is all subjective and all you need is a $200 timex

>>16008453
why did they cut off the 6? it looks so retarded

>>16008591
I think you touch on a lot of good points here but I think the view of Omega specifically selling "stories" is a bit reductive. This is certainly the case with the Moonwatch (including special editions) and the James Bond watches (note these are fewer and far between), but in recent years Omega has honed in on specific technical achievements including and especially its co-axial technology, "master chronometer" standards, and use of ceramics as major marketing points

>>16008624
nothing beats the springdrive (until HH levels) and other brands like Rado are more famous for ceramic memes

>>16008624
this is the first thing you see on their website loser

>>16008624
It's not reductive. One of the central premises of modern marketing is that luxury goods primarily appeal to customers because of the stories around them and how they make the buyer subjectively feel rather than because of their objective material properties.

Even with the co-axial escapement, it's utility to Omega is as a story they can sell to their customers about Omega being a technically innovative brand and not just a second choice to Rolex. If you quizzed the vast majority of Omega fans online I doubt most of them could even explain to you how the co-axial escapement works or what the pros and cons of Omega's implementation of it are.

One of the things that has held Grand Seiko back as a brand globally is that they were operated with outdated ideas that a quality product, priced fairly, will sell itself. It's only in the last couple of years that GS seems to have realized that they are going to have to explain to Western consumers why they should be impressed by Grand Seikos if they want to sell any to them. This is why Seiko is actually making an effort now to articulate and market a brand story for GS now in the West. Making the consumer feel like a connoisseur for appreciating the traditional Japanese craftsmanship and aesthetic influences is how Seiko is trying to translate GS's core brand values into a message Western consumers can latch on to.

seethmasters are gayest, most penis core overpriced watch that is more poorly constructed than an f91w

no one can prove me wrong

>>16008611
Cut numerals are the traditional method of putting a subdial that would overlap a number. It's considered the most elegant solution. When you have no number it creates too much negative space and if you just put a small market, it lacks continuity

>>16008396
Hi this is Mark from Luong Island Watch dot cuoum. Today we're looking at another $200 pile of duogshit

>>16008664
not sure what brand HEMEL is but theres nothing wrong with this list. I wouldnt put the yema inside though.

>>16008664
"Hi this is mark"

>>16007891
based

Business idea: Datejust without the glass wart

>Posting a $22,000 watch

Mental illness

>>16008670
Why not ?

>>16008611
>>16008662
I also think the cut 6 makes the dial look more symmetrical.

Feels like a decent enough place to ask. I'm looking for a new daily watch that I could wear with something semi formal/smart casual. I prefer metal over leather or that rubbery shit, but im also a high functioning autist and am fairly new to watches. Looking to spend about a grand or less

More of an /fa/ question: Do you match your strap leather with your belt and shoes?

>>16008759
whats your wrist size?
do you prefer quartz or mechanical?

>>16008759
>im also a high functioning autist
Is it strange that I could immediately tell by your usage of commas and terse sentences?

>>16008759
Give the SARX077 a look.

>>16008759
>Looking to spend about a grand or less
Yeah no.

>>16008761
No. I match it with my (t)shirt or top.

Can someone tell me after what model/brand these knockoffs made of.

>>16008763
I'm Honestly unsure on my size, but so far I haven't run into any issues with quartz watches.

>>16008769
Not really no. At this point I can larp as a normie pretty damn well unless it's over text.

>>16008772
I like the look of this a lot actually, thanks!

>>16008787
Just looks like they're aping certain design elements from rolex to be honest.

>>16008759
SARB017, then get a 3rd party metal bracelet for it. Do NOT get the new one with the "X" on the front

casual, formal, old timey, classy, geeky, sporty, serious cult classic, its everything you'd ever want

>>16008781
What do you spend on watches?

>>16008787
vague seiko 62mas
stop buying $20 aliexpress watches, not worth it

>>16008800
Guess why I'm asking for the real watch behind these.
>vague seiko 62mas
The result this search gives me looks different than the watch I asked for. Can you provide a link to it.

>>16006989
>I'm currently working to build up an online community of Japanese and non-Japanese Catholics.

Do you have some kind of working title for this?
So I know what to look out for.

>>16008787
Milgauss?

>>16008818
this
it also looks like the rolex oyster perpetual

>>16008015
Here's my take as someone who absolutely adores the Genta-esque aesthetic (regular round watches tend to always look tiny on my arm):

The VC just looks the nicest. It's the perfect blend between Genta-esque and non-flashy every day wearability.
The PP looks like an old TV, and the RO is too edgy.

And other than pure looks, the PP and RO obviously come with a huge stigma since every rich snob will know what they are (and likely even own one), while the Overseas flies under the radar.

>>16006775
>proprietary
Cringe.

>>16007592
Formex and Monta are very adjustable
I heard good things about the Aikon bracelet

>>16008526
lol what does your pic even have to do with your question?
The hands and indices on that Omega have a bog-standard (mostly painted) finish, and the dial is laser-etched iirc.

The simple answer is: because Omegas aren't as impressively finished as Grand Seikos.

does anyone where to get a replacement strap for the casio msg-s200?
it came on a light pink strap that feels really stiff and im looking for a softer black strap or a metal bracelet that wont cost half the price of the watch.

https://www.ozdigitalwatch.com/products/casio-babyg-gms-solar-analog-digital-women-watch-msgs200-4a-pink-msg-s200-4adr
this is the watch i have. thanks in advance!

>>16008846
easily one of the best watches ever made

>>16008865
Wrong thread anon
>>15996348

>>16008869
so you dont know the answer but you do need the attention, right?

>>16008831
>>16008846
Sorry but to me they still don't look like them. I don't think it's a Rolex clone neither.

>>16006607
Daily reminder that you should just stop pretending to be "grown up" and get a bracelet or some other form of jewelry. The nicety of your wrist bling being "functional" is past moot at this point. Everyone with half a brain knows that you're just dying to wear jewelry, so why give in to your superego? Wear what you really want.

>>16008871
so you don't find my advice helpful but you chose to respond anyway, huh?

>>16008846
>>16008867
ty anon

>>16008872
>chocolate bar indices
>same baton hands with paddle seconds
>not the same

buy it if you want, but aliexpress watches that price point (<$30) usually don't last very long

>>16007360
the Pope has this one, no joke

>>16008865
https://www.mastersintime.com/watch-bands/casio/?strapsearch=MSG-S200-4A
https://www.pacparts.com/model.cfm?mfg=Casio&model_id=MSGS200%2D4A&row_start=1&src_model_id=msg-s200&action=list_part

>>16007822
It's literally just personal preference regarding looks and fit. Buy something inexpensive that you like the look of and try it out, bracelets can give both a rugged and formal look that other types of straps can't.

I just found out that my family wasted all the savings I thought I'd have to in order to create a normal life and not die in poverty, so I guess I'm out.

Thanks guys, it's been fun discussing watches even if I couldn't afford anything and I always just thought that it will come at some point in the future. Guess it won't. Wear them in good health.

>>16009007
You must be quite chuffed.
Keep on keeping on and one day your grail may still come to you to wear in good health.

>>16008781
Fuck off gatekeeping faggot. I'm sure you're insufferable in real life too.

>>16008924
Thanks but I already found that one. I'm looking for a black version of that or a steel bracelet. Any clue about those?

>>16008759
If you're new to watches are you sure you want to blow up to a grand? You don't sound 100% sure on what you want. There is a chance you may go off whatever you buy. I'd either look more budget or lurk until you see something you really like.

With stainless steel sports watches the options are pretty much limitless. Size will depend on your wrist thickness. Maybe look at some 9015 microshitters you may see one realise you don't really give a shit about watches and be done.

Have a look at ; Baltic, lorier, Nodus, too many more to list

Mainstream brands ; seiko, orient (kamasu), casio (edifice for quartz), hamilton (khaki line), citizen (eco drive are solar powered), certina

>>16008882
why is it so perfect? I like the original straps on them

>>16008759

>>16008610
I have this Timex I love it

Dead general

Official last post

Do not post again

>>16009324
>>16009324
>>16009324
Migrate folks

>>16007196
Yeah there is no reason not to be able to change your strap into a bracelet. Just make sure the mm’s are exact to fit. You’ll definitely need the tool for it, you can buy it on AliExpress for a dollar or two. They make good bracelets, too. Check out the HENGRC store there.

>>16007196
A spring bar tool will save you a headache when changing straps, it's worth it.
There's good tutorials on YouTube on how to change straps as well.
You can use a smaller size band without problem, but it can look disproportionate.
After-market bracelets can be hard T find, but with a big brand like Seiko you should be fine. Hope you enjoy the new watch!

>>16008882
Sir Basado.

>>16007539
The seconds and minutes are almost identical I'm crying

Is the F91W based or autistic? Can't decide.

>>16010921
both

>>16010930
but which colour scheme? I want to maximize both aspects.

>>16010946
just black