/fa/ - Fashion

>>15885177
Based watch thread, much better than
>>15885144

>>15885177
>hurrr racism is cool maymay

Kill yourself.

>>15885185
This, racism is NOT cool, you hear me Hodinkee?

>>15885177
Blessed thread

>>15885177
xth for Nick Hacko

>>15885177
Ah yes, here we have the elusive diverse watchmaker in his studio, with all the tools and accoutrements of his trade.

HELLOOOOOOOO AND WELCOME TO SO THERE YOU HAVE IT

>>15885241
Reminds me of that stock photo where he's holding a soldering iron by the hot part.

>>15885241
Fucking KEK

>>15885241
>Finally...a clockwork watermelon.

Don't forget to buy black
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/12/fashion/watches-black-owned-business.html

>>15885242
JUST one more shitter, fuckeroonies!

Reminder that modern bracelets are DOGSHIT.

Here's a comparison between a hefty diver seiko strap (for the 1980s), and a "modern" diver.

The modern diver is 3.2mm thick. The vintage one is 2.5mm. Unadjusted, the modern diver is 73 grams. The vintage one? 35g.

HALF the weight. Both made of stainless steel, but one is made by people who are fucking sane, and the other one is made by delusional faggots who want to carry around an extra kilo on their wrists for no reason.

Fuck modern watches.

>>15885242
Judy is based as fuck, he's the best reviewer of chink shitters.

>>15885345
Jody not judy ffs.

>>15885337
>Reminder that modern bracelets are DOGSHIT.
I like the look of modern bracelets a lot.

But they get scratched to shit in a matter of weeks, and I just don't understand how people can wear them for this reason alone.

>>15885337
I hate Rolex with a passion, but the current oyster bracelet with glidelock makes vintage bracelets look and feel like a happy meal toy

>>15885337
Nice bait. Everyone knows vintage bracelets are the shitty ones; even ROLEX used to have Casio-tier horrible ones with pressed clasps and rolled links.

>>15885185
subversion is cool stupid nig

>>15885378
S O U L

>already sold out

>>15885185
affirmative action and 'diversity' IS racism

why are there 2 watch threads you homoes

>>15885378
There is literally nothing wrong with pressed clasps and rolled links. They're lighter. Issues only arise when they're treated poorly or poorly assembled.

>>15885469
The other fagwad was too late.

>>15885177
Once again, niggers need gibs to achieve anything

>>15885469
Sprezz 404’d

>But in the 21st century, another trio of brands are increasingly entering the watch conversation: Grand Seiko, NOMOS Glashütte and Tudor. Well-regarded American author, satirist and noted watch geek Gary Shteyngart has described them as the ‘New Holy Trinity’, a particularly apt label: just as the ‘Big Three’ have legendary status at the top of the watch world, these three are similarly unimpeachable, but for altogether different reasons.

>Unlike the ‘Old Holy Trinity’, these brands don’t share a common origin or long, storied histories. What they do share, however, is a spirit of innovation, precision and design flair that give even the ‘Old Holy Trinity’ a run for their money – all while being incredibly affordable; a fraction of the price of most luxury watch brands. Let’s take a deep dive and explore what makes these brands so special.

>innovation
??
why the hell is TOODOOR even considered?

https://www.dmarge.com/2021/01/new-watch-holy-trinity-grand-seiko-nomos-tudor.html

>>15885531
It's an extension of the general Rolex circlejerk.

They're more innovative than Rolex (silicon escapement etc.) and more quirky while still being related to Rolex, so somehow that means a lot.

>>15885460
X X X X X X X X X
god i hate that fucking X
>>15885469
this is the /g/ watch thread, you can go back to your sissy one >>15885144

>>15885665

>>15885177
Bumping the superior /wt/

>>15885228
This looks cool. Can't wait till I search it up and it's a bloated 40mm eta shitter

>>15885531
Probably because they paid for someone to mention them.

Like if I made a car brand Le Shitte I'd totally pay someone to write an article like "in today's modern era, new high performance cars are entering the conversation: Tesla, Konessig and Le Shitte"

>>15885177
>Within a month it had exceeded its crowdfunding target, and today the model is the basis of three collections of men’s 46-millimeter and women’s 41-millimeter watches.

Jesus fucking shit, a 41mm women's watch?? 46mm? Fucking enormous

Give me a single reason to not buy a terrorist Casio.

>>15886315
Oh you should. It's super based and everyone who knows watches recognizes it as super based. Meanwhile people will take shits on whatever Omega, Rolex, AP, Patek you pick out.

And it's ten fucking dollars so what's the worst that happens?

For more formal occasions consider the thinner, better displayed brother the A700, for a Mr Jackson

>>15885185
>caring about other people instead of being /fa/ and coldly indifferent to the rest of the world

Do I like the look of this watch?

>>15885460
Pick the superior Ape Rape

>>15885665
That X has no fucking place on a traditional looking watch like an Alpinist.
It's an eyesore even on the most spartan of sports watches.

>>15886383
I was out of watches for 4 years, I came back and the two most popular Seiko lines were discontinued and the shittiest Seiko 5s are 100 bucks. And everything has a fucking X and a hodinkee LE version

>>15885177
Funnt how they wouldn't even be capable of making a sun dial

>>15886364
No, you don't

Rolex are white peoples watches who only earned the money for the watch with them white privileges.

If you buy a rolex and not a black owned watch you are by the very definiton of the word a racist. Whenever me and my homies see a white dude with a rolex we make him say BLM. Then ask for the rolex lol.

If you are not racist, prove it and buy black. No excuses.

>>15885177
How is every facet of american life affected by this bullshit identity politics.
One can only assume that this is a ploy by racists to convince black people to learn a dead trade.

>>15887224

>>15885177
>BLM slogan a commodified upper middle class status signifier

Sounds about right.

>>15887230
>How is every facet of american life affected by this bullshit identity politics.
Because it's all going to plan.

>>15887224
OK you've sold me, I'll go buy a Rolex.

>>15885185
Kill yourself faggot

Pee-Pee or Ayy-Pee?

>>15887839
vee cee

>>15887839
Gee Ess

>>15886197
How about a "made in Australia" movement that looks suspiciously like an ETA unitas.

repostin Does anyone homage the fifty fathoms well?
Love that retro diver style, would get a baltic or yema, but have heard their lume is poor and for the price, you get way more qc issues than a $150 chinese rip off

>>15888240
45mm...

>buy an old quartz watch
>some retard left a battery in it for a decade
>coil is fucked
>replacement movements are like 40 bucks
What a shame. Maybe one will pop up eventually for cheap in working condition.

>>15888245
you're full of shit, $150 is a stretch for you and you wouldn't be able to get a baltic if it did your chores for you.

>>15888252
>buy broken garbage
>get mad at person who threw it away, because it's broken
brain genius

Why isn't this race bait thread deleted yet. Not watches not /fa/

I actually like the X and think all thr people whining about it sound like bitches.
It's just a fucking sporty logo, get over yourselves

>>15888273
How is Hodinkee talking about muh representation in watchmaking not /wt/?

>>15888273
>but muh feelings
this is 100% watch industry related

>>15888276
1) it's just ugly, even on hardcore sports watches
2) they put it on everything in the Prospex line, even classical designs like the Alpinist.

>>15888276
it's too big
it does not fit half the watches they put it on
even if it does fit, it's too big

>>15888276
*puts it on the new alpinists*

heh, nothing personnel

>>15888273
>race bait
Blame Hodinkee.

The funniest part is that Hodinkee locked the comments within a single day after their own simpering readerbase started telling them "is this really necessary?"

>>15888245
>Does anyone homage the fifty fathoms well?
Reef Tiger
It's $300 though so its probably out of your budget.
https://aliexpress.com/item/33000250277.html

>>15888287
That looks half decent, and well within my budget.
Just didn't want to get no frenchie shit when its all out of china anyway

>>15887839
I don't really like either, but I would go with the PP if I had to choose. I prefer the less angular case shape of the Nautilus and don't particularly like the screws on the Royal Oak's bezel. The Royal Oak is also far more ubiquitous in pop culture and, frankly, some pretty lame people wear the Royal Oak. Lastly, AP at this point is "Royal Oak and a bunch of other stuff, the brand" which I find unattractive.

The reality however is that outside of their exclusivity and some minor points like "muh bracelet finishing," neither the Nautilus or the Royal Oak are particularly good or special sports watches. There are quite a few other modern Patek Philippe watches (and vintage AP watches) I would take before the Nautilus or Royal Oak. And, were I in the market for a highly expensive/exclusive sports watch, I would get something else.

REAL THREAD MIGRATE

>>15888305

>>15888305

>>15888305

>>15888307
>a bunch of other stuff
like what
AP has NOTHING

>>15888314
fuck off you thread splitting faggot

>>15888314
Fuck right off

>>15888315
Well, those butt-ugly Code watches, some vintage reissues/museum pieces, and women's watches. Random other stuff

>>15885531
They still have the Rolex Aura, make some new design which still have historic lineage and their ETA-Mods are quite interesting on a technical level.

And they have an a-level marketing game

>>15888321
N O T H I N G

>>15888314
Fuck off

>>15888314
I'm not going to split the thread but the topic is interesting.

Can't decide whether it's extremely basic/cringe or fitting that Biden was wearing a Rolex President yesterday.

>>15888319
>>15888327
poltard OP is seething lol

>>15888307
I agree with a lot of this.

On the one hand the Royal Oak is the original icon, and the style of watches it created is one of the best-looking styles there is.
AP is also the only holy trinity brand that is still in the hands of the original family.
The finishing is also amazing.

But on the other hand AP is a bit of a joke brand, with like 90% being Royal Oaks, and a ton being retarded oversized bling watches to pander to joggers.

>>15888314
eat a dick

>>15885185
Dumb nigger

>>15888330
A lot of presidents wear the Rolex President. There is nothing interesting about this.
What is interesting is that before yesterday, Biden was getting spotlight in watch media for wearing an Omega Seamaster Professional 300M. There were multiple articles even in mainstream shit like GQ comparing Trump with his Rolexs and Vacherons to Biden and his 300M, saying it showed how Biden was more of a man of the people and "modern." The timing made it obvious that this was some kind of narrative being shilled. In fact I also remember that Trump owning a Rolex President was brought up as part of his crass and rich persona to more heavily contrast Biden. It was a new watch too, Biden was not known for wearing a 300M in the past, he's usually worn Seikos.
Now, at is inauguration, he has a Rolex. What happened to his trusted 300M? I thought he was a man of the people? Why does he now have the same watch as Trump, the asshole watch?
It really is interesting.

>>15888307
>>15888336
I give you: the Overseas.

>Genta-esque just like the RO and Nautilus
>still holy trinity
>not overdone to death among nouveau riche snobs
>no pandering to joggers with oversized and/or blinged-out watches
>better movement finish than the RO 15500 (hand beveling etc.) and better features than the Nautilus (screw-fixed bracelet links, quick-change straps, etc.)

>>15888342
Whatever, it would have been really stupid to wear a dive watch to an event where Kennedy still wore white tie

>>15888336
I don't mind that PP was bought ~100 years ago; it remained private, Swiss, and there is a simple and clear ownership through-line from its founding to today.

VC on the other hand ... the fact that it was bought by a Saudi at one point and is now a subsidiary of a large conglomerate tarnishes the brand in my eyes.

>>15888342
>I also remember that Trump owning a Rolex President was brought up as part of his crass and rich persona to more heavily contrast Biden
This.

>Trump wears Rolex President
>"ugh look how tacky"

>Biden wears Rolex President
>"omg how brave and stunning!"

>>15888332
I don't post on pol, so try again

>>15888342
I probably wouldn't wear a Seamaster to my inauguration, but at the same time, I would probably wear something that had some sort of sentimental interest and not a completely newly purchased piece. Then, I would buy the Rolex after the fact as a commemoration of the event having happened and would wear it regularly while in office.

>>15888245
Consider this IWC aquatimer homage. Very good build quality
https://m.aliexpress.com/item/1005001678366019.html

>>15888349
1) Nobody gives a shit about watch etiquette anymore, if he wanted to wear a dive watch to an inauguration event, he could have.
2) Why did he wear a new Rolex President? Isn't he supposed to be the man of the people? Why not an Omega dress watch? They even have a dress watch line, the DeVille collection.
If we are going to analyze the watch choices of presidents, something that the mainstream media opened the door on by writing comparison articles between Trump and Biden's watches, then everything must be analyzed, all the way, to its natural conclusion, and in depth.
>>15888357
>>15888351
It's because wristwatches are starting to slowly gain attention in the eyes of normies so some PR faggot obviously shilled this narrative but now since Biden is president the narrative doesn't matter, he can stop slumming it, and wear a Rolex like everyone else. It was all extremely manufactured.

>>15888357
>thinking about it that much
i would wear a J&co astronomia casino.

>>15888362
I don't even like homages and I love that

>>15888346
The Overseas is the prettiest of the trinity sports watches, but VC borderline overdoes it with the Maltese Cross motif and the brand is a step down from AP and PP; it's just a fact. Also the watch is being memed pretty heavily online so it's probably just a matter of time before it gets played out.

That said if I had ~$30,000 to drop on a watch the Overseas chronograph would be on my shortlist.

>>15888384
everything about the overseas is perfect to me except that the way the bracelet is integrated looks funny. I can't describe why but it doesn't feel as elegant as it could have

>>15888384
>AP
they literally only make one ugly watch
why is this brand so fucking overrated

>>15888372
Wearing an Omega would have been significant and meaningful for a few reasons:
>The only other president known for wearing an Omega in office was JFK, obviously a prominent Democrat figure and the only other Irish Catholic to be president
>The moonwatch is certified by NASA meaning it's basically US government approved and exemplifies American (democrat) accomplishment
>Omega is a more down-to-earth brand than Rolex

>>15888388
Have you ever seen that joke in movies/TV where a bunch of snobby art critics are gushing with praise over a random pile of garbage or something that was made on accident? The AP Royal Oak is literally, unironically, that. The word on the street is that Genta forgot he was designing it until the last couple of days and it came out a mess. When it first released, it was getting savaged. Watch enthusiasts said it was a debacle and AP would probably go out of business. They made a very small amount of them and that first production run took a decade to sell out.
But at some point someone memed that it was actually a really cool watch and then like lemmings all the watchfags started repeating that it was a work of superlative genius and the meme kept on rolling. Now it's just accepted as fact and if you tell people it's shit they go berserk and just go on and on about muh finishing and heritage even though 40 years ago this watch was literally a joke. It was the equivalent of the Homermobile in the Simpsons.

Someone show me a watch that operates counterclockwise. Where the 3oclock position would be where the 9 o'clock would be, etc.

>>15888388
No idea honestly. It's basically "muh history" and rappers that are keeping it alive

>>15885185
reminder that blacks have an average iq of 85, a whole standard deviation below regular human beings

>>15888384
>overdoes it with the Maltese Cross motif
I don't think it does.

I first found out the bezel and bracelet shapes are echoes of that motif from Tim, because I hadn't really noticed it before.
It's very subtle and well done.

>the watch is being memed pretty heavily online
It is?

I keep finding out things about the Overseas that make me like it more and more.
First the discovery of the Maltese cross motif in the bezel and bracelet, then the fact that the watch is Geneva Hallmarked internally and externally (meaning among other things that the movement is Lange-tier), and then that Mount Everest special edition (see pic).

AP and PP's version of a "sportier" sports watch is to oversize it (Offshore, Aquanaut).
VC's version of that is pic related.
Absolutely based.

>>15888404
Don't get me wrong, it's almost certainly the one I would buy if I was in the market for a watch in this category. The chronograph has one of the best chronograph dials I have ever seen. Its proportions are absolutely perfect.

>>15888372
>Why did he wear a new Rolex President?
It's a Datejust

>>15888404
Is this a triple timezone? Primary time on the main hands, secondary time on the orange hand, tertiary time on the sub-dial?

>>15888420
Lol, not that guy but the low-res photo I saw made it look like a President. The fact that it was a Datejust ...

>>15888252
Does this happen with modern mercury free watches too?

>>15888433
anon, alkaline batteries leak too.

>>15888436
button cells are different though

>>15888437
button cells can still leak.

super modern coin lithium batteries dont, i think?

>>15888372
>Why did he wear a new Rolex President?
Not a fan of him or his choice of watch but it was probably a gift from his family/friends/colleagues for this very occasion, so it might hold sentimental value for him.
I'd like to see politicians wearing watches made in, or at least having some ties to the country they represent, and I think past presidents wearing swiss timepieces when high quality american ones were still available created a bad precedent.

>>15888440
fuck brb removing about 20 batteries

>>15888421
Dual timezone.
The subdial is just the date.

>>15888398
Raketa Russian Code.

>>15888460
fuck me thats KINO

>>15888460
why the fuck

Can someone explain to me why everyone is drooling over the Seiko and Grand Seiko brands these days? I keep hearing people say stuff like a $1k Seiko is superior in every way to a $20k Rolex. I would love to be educated.

Of course I've googled this issue as well but haven't found a satisfying answer.

>>15888480
it's a combination of rolex slacking off and grand seiko stepping it up
regular seiko is just upping the price while not offering the same value as before, as they try to push upmarket as rolex did in the past.
you should cheer this because rolex seriously needs a kick up the ass and needs to drop prices or up their game, if you let rolex sleep they fucking suck. reminder that rolex is now regarded as having the best bracelets and clasps in the game but before omega came out with a milled clasp they were shitting out stamped steel trash with chintzy rolled link bracelets for years, content to sit on their laurels.

>>15888480
if you remove all the fanboiism in watches i honestly cannot think of a brand with more innovation than seiko as a whole

and i mean real innovation felt by everyone, not making meme shit for the 0.001%

Reminder that you aren't allowed to express politically incorrect or right-wing views outside of /pol/ on 4chan. This is our space now.

If you do you will be reported for your bigotry and banned. Stay in your containment board or else. We will not tolerate you domestic terrorists spreading your filth on our boards.

You've been warned

>>15888492
>our
>we
you(just one person) is neither "our" or "we"
>non topic

your post isnt even on topic to watches or even fashion, fuck off

>You're either a nervous rolex clerk or some sad sack in debt like that noisy australian youtuber

lmaooo imagine thinking I have that money when all I post is stock images. Thanks for proving the seethe it causes though stupid phucking retard.

> tfw owning a rolex but fat af

>>15888492
what are some anti-fascist watches?

>>15888502
sell it to pay for a home gym.

>>15888502
Rings are an embarrassment too

>>15888488
>>15888491
Can you gentlemen please explain how they're stepping it up and innovating? What makes them technically/aesthetically/materially superior?

>>15888503
Anything expensive because fascists are all dumb white trash poorfag incels

>>15888511
>MEMS
>literally independent watchmaker tier finishing or damn near
>spring drive
>just came out with a new concept tourbillon
>interesting new dial patterns playing with textures rather than just doing different colorways

>give in and buy a quartz watch
>can finally brush my teeth without having to take my watch off

>>15888276
im gonna put a x on your fucking forehead, how about that

anyone know what kinda watch Conor's wearing here? he looks fly as fuck

>>15888505
>>15888510
you're right. god, I hate fatties.

>>15888503
Unironically Apple Watch or some old used soviet watch

>>15888511
>created the 1st mass market quartz watch
>spring drive
>a whole entire ecosystem of inhouse movements, both mechanical and quartz

also, afaik, Seiko, Citizen and Seagull are the -only- 3 watchbrands to still make almost or virtually everything truly inhouse, including hairsprings.

the swiss get their hairspring supply from Nivarox, which is owned by swatch group but not a watch maker.

>>15888480
Because Seiko have always been the best watch company, it's just taken a few decades for boomers to die off and kids to stop giving a shit about "muh swiss"?

it's a little chunky bros

>>15885531
>Gary Shyte 'n' Fart

>>15888546
That looks like a Rolex President bracelet in rose gold. Not sure what model it's attached to though, could be a day date 40 with black dial.

>>15888546
Rose gold really looks like shit. Hate this trend.

>>15888346
>>15888404
What's the best Overseas fake?

>>15888581
Maurice Lacroix Aikon

Literally perfect
>20mm lug width
>39mm diameter
>stainless steel case
>10 Bar WR

>>15888580

If you don't own at least one vintage Omega, you can fuck right off.

>>15888605
What's the ref?

>>15888613
It's the filename

>>15888605
And perfect precision, radio regulated

>>15885337
The modern Rolex Jubilee bracelet is amazing, especially compared to the old ones.

>>15888322
>Tudor
>Rolex Aura
When was the last time you heard a rapper mention their Tudor?

finally got a good shot. it's a nice watch, bros. the dial is beautiful

>>15885331
Someone spent far too much time to make this edit

>>15888622
>implying there aren't a lot of people buying tudor because a Rolex is too expensive
I had a talk with a guy in front of the Rolex AD, Rolex and Tudor were literally the only brand they knew about. No JLC, no Omega.

>hi im tim

>>15888623
Yeah goes well with the ear.

I don't really care about Rolex but this shitter looks BASED. The combination of blue dial with green tinted glass and orange lightning hand looks great.

>>15888598
>Maurice Lacroix
is this the "mall brand" of semi luxury watches?

>>15888634
These were popular for a few years (someone wore one on the cover of GQ, etc.) but for some reason they seem to have fallen out of favour.

>>15888634
it's a nice, sporty look. would wear to a company golfing retreat/10

Is the "shitter" meme literally because of that fat underemployed mentally unwell Australian on YouTube

>>15888540
Lange

>>15888617
Like all modern bracelets, it's trash. Weight is the single most important aspect of a bracelet. Second is general comfort, third is looks.

>>15888645
Yes.
He has carpet beetles

>>15888480
because white men look like this now

>>15888540
Don't forget casio nig

>>15888645
he used it unironically but /wt/ has since reclaimed the language

shitters are now a badge of pride and non snobbery

>look around and carefully choose watches that appeal to you
>do your homework on them and weigh the pros and cons
>finally decide on one watch that checks all the boxes for you
>save your money and spend every day anticipating getting the watch you want
>casually looking around at other watches for fun
>see something off the wall that is completely different from what you intended to get and fall in love with it
>now you're conflicted on whether to buy the sensible safe choice watch or the one that you fell in love with
>yfw

>>15888682
his gf/wife literally looks like a female version of Xi Jinping

>>15888605
I like the NO index

>>15888687
then buy both you autismo
there is nothing wrong with having 2-3 watches
it's only mental illness if you have a bunch of them, or they all look the same like fatboy and his 5 identical pateks

god I love being a MUDMAN so much bros

>>15885177
Suggest a watch for me please
> £1k budget
> Everyday watch
> Movement, don't care really
> Chronograph preferred but if another one looks good then would consider
> Either bracelet, or that NATO strap type.
> Wrist size not sure but pretty small

how do I start getting into horology?
I wanna know what parts are in a watch mechanism and what they do, how to take apart a watch mechanism and put it back together and stuff like that
someone suggested me george daniels book about watchmaking but i only found a pdf on libgen (where i couldn't read shit because it wasn't a scan of the book but some retard took time to take a fucking picture of every page of the book at a shitty unreadable angle) and it seemed too advanced for me or else I'd have bought it
I'm taking suggestions for books or youtube courses or whatever

>>15888687
which 2 are you talking about anon?

>>15888704
Find a school that teaches it. Here in UK there's a couple of schools/courses available. And it seems like it pays good to be a watchsmith.

>>15888704
just watch some good youtube videos to ease yourself into it

>>15888702
To add I don't want any leather packaging

is this the perfect professional watch?

>>15888704
lmao it's lining up gears

>>15888687
Which ones?

>>15888704
https://www.stylist.co.uk/life/careers/work-life-watchmaker-emma-elizabeth-boulten-tudor-watches-career-change-skill/316835
Have a read

>>15888687
This is why you're supposed to want a watch for a year before you buy it. It's got to fucking hurt.

>>15888687
this: >>15888707

My dad is left handed and has never really worn watches in part because of the ergonomic compromises of wearing a watch on your right hand. SO, I know that it would be a fun and fitting gift to one day get him a fine mechanical watch that is "left handed"/has the crown on the left side of the case.

With that being said, what do you all think of the Tag Heuer (Heuer) Monaco Calibre 11 reissue? Is Heuer a poisoned brand? Is Heuer materially inferior to other Swiss watch brands?

>>15888704
Buy a shitter, take it apart. I partially disassembled a watch today, it's not difficult, just removing tiny screws and moving shit around with tweezers.

Do it in a clean room though, when a piece pings out of the case and falls on the floor somewhere, your soul will thank you.

>>15888750
I'm a lefty and I've only ever worn watches on my left hand, because it's what everyone else does. I guess if I was constantly hammering shit it might be a pain?

>>15888540
>created the 1st mass market quartz watch
Not just that, but they first owned the Swiss so hard in the chronometer trials with their mechanical movements that the Swiss rather cancelled the whole thing than risked further embarrasement. Then to add insult to injury they pretty much beat the Swiss in the quartz race and almost destroyed the mecanical watch industry.

>>15888750
heuer is a good brand that became shitter and is in the middle of a long redemption arc. the monaco is one of the few watches they put out that people actually respect.

>>15888757
Yes, another reason he didn't regularly wear watches is because his work required physical labour but he's retired now. That said, I know a lawyer who is left handed and wears watches on his right hand.

>>15888765
Did they become shittier because they leaned harder into quartz than other watch manufacturers?

>>15888695
>just buy both
You must've missed the part about saving money back just to buy one. If you had the money to buy both then there wouldn't be any need to do your homework and pick one, would there?
>>15888707
>>15888725
>>15888736
Was planning on getting an Omega Aqua Terra GMT chronograph. I'm not a "one watch collection" guy but it is versatile enough for most occasions and checked all the boxes for me.
Then I saw the limited edition Bell & Ross bellytanker chronograph. Not a fan of Bell & Ross but I really like the look of it

Last week I finally bought my first decent kettle after a long time wanting to do so. It feels bloody great having it on. Love it. I got the once with the steel bracelet but took it immediately off to keep it fresh for when, if ever I want to seem more showy.

Victorinox Fieldforce GMT, paid just under £350

Victorinox

>>15888775
tag are the guys who started doing that full on mall shitter thing selling fugly badly-qc'd chinese-made quartz watches at luxury watch prices and then aggressively marketing it to yuppie fucking college faggots and pushing their watches in malls
people are still literally seething over that shit and they did it for a decade. they've spent the past decade trying to atone by pretending it never happened and unshittering with higher qc and vintage reissues but the damage is done, their ass will never fully recover
the monaco is a nice one though

>>15888753
>Do it in a clean room though
Your tricks won't help you. When it's gone, it's gone. If I've ever found a small spring or screw that has flown off, it's well after I've given up and found a replacement.

>>15888764
My favorite bit about quartz is that quartz like movement, a "dead seconds" complication, used to be up there with memes like tourbillons. Of course, that whole concept was quietly shuffled away.

>>15888776
Get the Omega. No-brainer. The B&R would make me think DJ Khaled was your childhood hero.

>>15888776
Bell & Ross has good design sensibility and that watch looks really nice. But, I know someone who got a Bell & Ross watch that had serious mechanical problems and kept very inconsistent time. He made several warranty claims and while they always attempted to fix the problem and were gracious about it, it was never fully resolved. He eventually was refunded the purchase price and bought ... guess what ... an Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra.

The Aqua Terra GMT Chronograph is one of the most interesting watches Omega has made in recent years and if you have eyes on one for a good price, have tried it on, etc., then I would unreservedly recommend you get it.

>>15888776
checking boxes is largely a bad meme

just follow your heart
what good is a watch if you dont love it? just.....why? would you even care about a watch if it doesn't bring you joy?

>sunburst blue sports watch
yay
>42mm
boo
>quartz
yay
>€700
boo

>>15888776
Why does the rehaut look like steel when the rest of the watch is "gold"?

>>15888719
I don't know what constitutes perfect, but it's a great looking GS.

>>15888750
Sinn makes some watches with crowns and pushers on the left side. I think maybe Oris as well.

>>15888783
Weird looking kettle, mate.

>>15888750
Tudor makes a left hand version of the Pelagos that I'd much rather have than a Tag Heuer.

>>15888810
>alpina

is this now a zombie brand or are they actually doing stuff?

>>15888719
>professional watch
What profession are we talking about here? You mean dress watch? The answer is no in that case.

>>15888702
Might not be your thing but it's a decent deal for £350, nicely decorated Sellita SW-200 movement, AR coated sapphire crystal, versatile style that you can dress up or down. Disregard the "lady" designation, it's simply the smaller model at 36mm that'll fit smaller wrists nicely, 10mm thick so it'll fit comfortably under a cuff:
https://www.watchshop.com/watches/mens-bruno-sohnle-stuttgart-lady-automatik-automatic-watch-17-12174-247.pdp
I'd put a £150 Staib milanese bracelet on it, for the grand total of £500.

>>15888792
>>15888795
>>15888798
I know it's head vs heart thing, and I really like the Omega. It's just a frustrating feeling I'm sure other watch anons can identify with
>>15888819
It's a limited edition bronze watch

>>15888750
does your dad have a thick wrist?

because the monaco is literally unwearable for anyone with a wrist 7.5 inches and below

>>15888640
10 year old, scratched up Milgauss with no papers are still selling for twice their old MSRP. I wouldnt call that falling out of favour.

>>15888655
>Weight is the single most important aspect of a bracelet.
Then use a nato strap söyboy

>>15888857
Yes, he has very gorilla wrists and hands

>>15888502
...do you have an engagement band?

>>15888502
Look up "Whole 30." It could change your life with minimal effort and without fad diet memes. That's of course assuming this isn't a troll post, which is unlikely.

>>15888854
But why does the rehaut appear to be steel? It looks odd.

>>15888906
maybe because it *is* steel and its intentionally done as a contrasting highlight so the whole watch isnt just entirely shades of brown and more brown

>>15888776
>Omega Aqua Terra GMT chronograph
Without looking it up, this thing is 16mm thick at least, isn't it?

>>15888906
Probably has to do with the name. Bellytankers were drop tanks used by aircraft in WW2 that were turned into race cars. The watch is limited edition made to commemorate them

I want this so bad but I'm a poor college fag and can't afford to spend that kind of money. Anything similar bros? ;_;

>>15888968
Come on, man.
It looks like shit.

>>15888866
>nato
And double the weight for no reason? Regular nylon straps are far more sensible, but they're not as good as bracelets which offer a lot of convenience thanks to the clasp, while also being indestructible instead of something you have to replace every couple of years.

>Invicta Pro Diver
Spacewatch

>Rolex Cosmograph
Not a Spacewatch

Can't make this shit up

>>15888937
A single fag does not make for a rainbow.

>>15888968
>two digit numbers throwing the whole thing off balance
>insanely shit date window with a different font dumped directly on that 6
just realize it's bad and free yourself from the desire for it

Why dont they do color variations with the classic Sub?

>>15888939
17mm LOL

Do the internals of a watch matter in the sub 250 range? I'm new to watches and want a mechanical watch. dont want to invest a fuck ton of money on something. I feel like I get suckered into whatever the watchface looks like without really knowing the difference in internals

>>15888968
there's this black dial vintage military style shitter for $170:
https://www.jomashop.com/d1-milano-commando-chronograph-quartz-black-dial-mens-watch-mtnj04.html

>>15889071
At that price range everything has some quartz movement, Seiko NH35, or Seagull. NH35 is a very good movement. True workhorse.

>>15889060
Classic Omega

>>15889071
Do you actually want a mechanical watch?

They're more expensive, far less accurate, much thicker, and all they have going for them is a higher BPM seconds hand. You really want to set your watch daily because otherwise it'll lose a minute?

>>15889072
Stop posting this, i don't need to buy any more watches right now.
Hilarious that a cheap shitter has one of my favorite Genta influenced designs.

bought one of these about 15 years ago and it is sat in my drawer. different strap tho.

is it respectable or trash?

>>15889082
The thickness is indeed the most disappointing thing about many of their designs. Part of the reason is that the coaxial escapement necessitates a bit more thickness than a Swiss lever escapement, but mostly it's because Omega insists on giving everything a display case back with a beefy piece of sapphire to maintain water resistance and a, like, 70 hour power reserve.

>>15889071
They do matter, of course, but I know basically nothing about cheap mechanical watches so I can't make any actual recommendations. Look at Swatch, though. Cheap mechanical watches that you won't feel too bad about if they fuck up.

>>15889071
best internals you'll find in a sub-250 watch is the ETA-2824 in the swiss made $150 Calvin Klein Infinite fitted with a sapphire crystal: https://www.jomashop.com/calvin-klein-watch-k5s346g6.html
it used to be available with a silver/black/blue dial in a steel case, maybe it can still be found on some other grey market site

>>15888968
they've been making these things for decades. just save up and wait

it really doesn't get more based than this

>>15889093
sorry anon, in my defense there's at least another commandoposter around

>>15889117
too busy. the elegance of the best timepieces lies in the complexity of their mechanisms hidden by simplicity on the surface

>>15888968
look out for the deals on jomashop, gnomon and ashford, both the 36/40mm No.1 and The Chief were going for under $600 and there's a chance that they'll replenish the stock

>>15889105
Quality watches. I like them. Respectable.

>>15889121
>too busy
another brainlet and tastelet filtered. based SNA

>>15888968
the problem with this watch is that its an ETA "GMT" but without the actual hour hand.
So the hand that looks like the hour hand would normally be the GMT hand on other watches, and because that movement is a pile of trash the hour hand will always be a half hour ahead or behind where it's supposed to be.

>>15889135
miss me with that senpai

>>15888330
It was a steel Datejust 36

>>15889117
It definitely gets more based than that, but I'll back you up my dude. My SNA411P1 still gets worn a bunch despite being one of the cheapest watches I own. I use it when in the field for work and actually get quite a bit of use out of the slide rule conversions and chrono functions. Cool watch.

>>15889121
It's inherently busy by design. Hard not to be with the amount of utility integrated into the slide rule. Separate alarm that can also function as a separate timezone (set mine to UTC). A lot of cool features in a relatively inexpensive watch, or at least what used to be relatively inexpensive. Hard sell at the $300 or so I've seen them go for lately.

>>15889147
Can't zoom in quite enough but I'm pretty sure that's the 41 mm version.

>>15889150
I understand but a watch is still ultimately a symbolic and practical tool for time-telling, not a proctor of sorts for international spy missions where you need to goggle over half a dozen moving hands and calculate landing ETAs with a triple time zone setup

>>15885277
If I would be rich I would give money to some redneck faggot to make a watch brand (obviously paying people who have a clue too) and start an advertisement campaign about buying white.

>>15889154
A watch is whatever the wearer wants it to be. There is no universal rulebook or guidelines, despite what autists push incessantly. Per my previous post, I make use of the slide rule conversion and math functions often in the field and it's extremely useful. Not every watch is making a statement and not every watch is meant to be suave with a suit.

>>15889158
If you're using it as a legitimately practical rugged tool, more power to you I suppose. However, I think the wristwatch is limited in scope when it comes to those sort of things and you'll find handier, lighter, cheaper, sharper, and more durable & versatile tools elsewhere.

>>15889142
>grand soiyko
cringe

>>15889164
>onions
>cringe
>brainlet
>tastelet
>filtered
please shave

>>15889155
we already have Mariner, the based watch brand for incels

Please educate me on Yema. They have a couple watches I'm eyeing but don't know if worth it or not. I see stuff online about QC, but that can be said for all companies. I've seen briefs on their somewhat interesting but otherwise who gives a shit history. Are they worth the gamble in the $600-$1000 price range?

>>15889117
What watch is this?
And this?>>15889150

>>15889225
Flightmaster

>>15889226
Ty

>>15889206
They have some decent sales right now as they are clearing out the last of their automatics that don't use their in-house movement. The biggest QC issue that i saw complained about online was bezel alignment issues and there appeared to be one batch of the superman heritage where the bezel itself was printed asymmetrically. People also said they had a hard time getting yema to let them send in a watch under warranty to fix cosmetic issues but i think they are better about that now.
I think they look great and it's cool that they are offering an in-house caliber in a sub $1,000 watch.
Personally i would double check their return policy and order a watch with the plan that if it had QC issues i would just return it immediately and forget about the brand entirely.

>>15889206
They make an OK watch. If you like the design and the history and all that, yeah it's worth it, if not then no because you can buy some microbrand for half the price that's about the same or better quality. With watches you are paying for meme. Their main gimmick is this meme bezel lock that's in practice actually gay and annoying. You can request they not put it on your watch. If you get one, that's what you should do.

>>15889206
Get a baltic or lorier instead

>>15889186
>based

>>15889238
What was posted that they are apologizing for?

>>15889237
>>15889236
>>15889234
Thanks. The biggest contender is the Flygraf M1. Baltic and Lorier don't have something that checks the same boxes. It's a simple but cool aviator/field hybrid with unnecessary but cool dive-tier water resistance. The overall aesthetic checks so many fucking boxes for me and it's 39mm which is a huge plus for this wristlet. It has the updated in-house yema 2000 movement, which I don't even necessarily consider a plus. There's a reason ETA and NH series movements are used so much and that's because they are proven, parts are widely available and most competent horologists can work on them. With the in-house movement it is unproven, parts and service will require a trip to France. That is the only thing pumping the brakes on it currently. I'm even tempted to by it from Gnomon as they have it for ~$70 less than Yema direct. I've never had to use their warranty service but I'd be willing to bet sending it back to Gnomon for replacement/refund would be less painful than dealing with Yema direct. Guess I'll just have to bite the bullet and either take a chance or don't. Figured someone here may have a nightmare story with Yema movements or QC that might dissuade me from a purchase.

>>15889254
Yeah it's not a bad watch. The design is cool. Seriously though listen to me and do not get the bezel lock.

>>15889186
>>15889242
read the thread

LMAO please start making small watches again this shit is ridiculous

>>15889256
Thanks for the pointer, was completely unfamiliar with that feature. I'm not 100% it's on their Flygraf but I'll look into it. If I buy from Gnomon I doubt I'll have the option.

>>15889283
Nah the flygraf doesn't have the bezel lock. If that's the watch you want you should be fine since most of the qc issues seemed to be rotating dive bezel related. Its a cool watch and i can't really think of anything else that scratches the same itch.

>>15887280
> sold out
Kill me
Or source me with an in stock plz

>>15889279
This makes me want to glue my casio alarm clock on my wrist and make parody wristshots

>>15888986
I like it when ppl save images that I renamed for personal use and /wt/ shitposting and re-use
that way I know I'm making a difference in this board

this post will trigger aspies

>>15889279
ok, so they've ripped off Rudy Meyer's 1974 case design for LIP for the 100th time but now they've combined it with Genta's bracelet and crown guard design for the first edition nautilus resulting in the birth of B&R's "iconic flagship model"

is contemporary watch design basically dead except for some nameless autistic savant working for that D1 shitter brand >>15889072

>>15889313
Nah, it doesn't, try the OCD guys

>>15889290
Guess it's a done deal then. Will be sure and shitpost once delivered.

>"modern" mid size diver
>13mm thick
>vintage mid size diver
>9mm thick
Why has watch making regressed so much?

>>15889351
Which movement is more accurate? Which movement is more durable? Which watch has a higher depth rating? Which watch has the higher power reserve? Lots of stuff to consider, I doubt they sat down and said "let's do what we did, but just make it thick for no fucking reason."

So I want to get a GShock DW5600 but I have a question. Whenever I press a button on a Casio watch it makes a beeping noise. Can I turn that off on the DW5600?

>>15889351
they became less of tools and more of jewelry. Its a crying shame too

>>15885177
Always referred to hodinkee as the soi watch publication. They more than proved it with this nigger loving filth. New Yorkers... I shouldn't expect much else from Yankees.

>>15889357
The bottom one for everything but depth rating.

Which is funny as fuck, honestly. Modern dive watches have no real place on actual divers, and yet they're more obsessed than ever with being resistant to absurd depths.

I'm guessing a vintage 100m is actually better than a modern "200m" in practice, too.

>>15889313
yes, the cyclops is fucking disgusting

>>15889351
vintage seiko was a cheap pretend diver fashion watch, current buyers expect at least some functionality. vintage tool watches like the explorer were all 15-16mm thicc for ergonomics and durability.

>>15889367
What I don't understand is why men's jewellery has to be so bulky and heavy.

Tools aren't heavy for no reason. Take something basic, like a hammer. I can get a dogshit drop forged hammer for a buck or two, full metal, and it'll hurt my hand every time I swing it because a metal shaft has no fucking give and the rubber handle barely helps this. Or, I can get a lighter hammer with a wooden shaft, and swing it all day long thanks to the magic of dampening. Why does my watch have to be a dinner plate with half a chainlink fence as a strap?

>>15888276
On the crown only would have been cool, but it just does not work well on so many watches. I'd rather PROSPEX written out if they have to do something, I almost always prefer text to logos.

>>15889071
of course internals matter

please dont overspend on basic quartz shit
the best you can get in the ~$250 range is a NH3x(4r36)/ miyota 9xxx/ ETA/Sellita or an ecodrive. Orient has some good movements too.

That said, focusing purely on specs is stupid, you have to like the watch in the 1st place. Some watches like the timex marlin handwind have subpar internals but a great style. You'll have tons of watches with "good enough" internals at a "cheap enough" price.

Big value at this range are Orient, Glycine, Gshock, Seagull, Vostok, microbrands (boldr, vario, hked, islander etc) and homages (san martin, tisell, heimdallr, pagani etc)

No matter what you do, dont buy fashion shit like some armani exchange garbage at the mall. Or just post it in here before you buy it we'll tell you

>>15889383
titanium watches exist
aluminium watches exist
field watches exist
dress watches exist
stop buying divers

>>15889400
what if I like divers

>Graduate from Med school $300,000 in debt.
>hurr better buy a ROLEX.

Why are people like this?

>>15889410
Rolex only sells to doctors or yuppies

>>15889410
why does it make you seethe so much? be thankful GS mogs Rolex at a tenth of the price

>>15889404
skin divers exist
on rubber or even a milanese they are light watches and not bulky at all

>>15889410
toxic american consumer debt culture

>>15889380
>vintage seiko was a cheap pretend diver fashion watch
yeah thats why soldiers in the Vietnam war bought Seiko's from PX catalogues.
Fucking nimrod over here
>>15889410
dunno mang, in Australia most of the doctors I know have either A) if over 50 some quartz Tag or B) an apple smart watch
This is ignoring all the south east asian doctors. They have Rolex's.

>>15889410
>Implying he needed student loans to go to school.

>>15889410
>>15889424
I was at the hospital getting my liver X-rayed and my doctor was some young guy with a Tudor. I said "nice Tudor" and he was ecstatic about it, started talking about it for 5 minutes.

>>15889428
cute
you just validated his purchase
I had the same thing when a guy came into my old work with a Milgauss.

>>15889432
It's always a risk.
I'm into knives, guns, and watches. Whenever I see someone with one of either I make a comment on it but aside from gunfags, with watches/knives most of the time they go "huuuuh what?" and have no idea what they're even wearing/carrying. The ones who do know though always go on for a while because this stuff is niche.

>>15889428
should have went
>OMG IS THAT A ROLEX, I LOVE ROLEX, PINNACLE OF WATCHMAKING, THEY ARE SO GOOOD
>what do you mean its not a ROLEX? it looks like one!
>huh, so it kinda related to ROLEX but not ROLEX at all?
>so what you are saying its a cheaper watch for when you cant afford a *real* ROLEX?
>well, im disappointed its not a ROLEX, you are a young chap, maybe in the future you can afford a ROLEX instead of a shitter, ha.....

>Here ya go son.
>You Grand-poppy left you his prized position.
>A Patek Philippe.
>*golden ellipse*

How do you respond?

>>15889469
>prized position

>>15889359
Yes you can turn thr beep off on g-shock models, at least the square and the other ones ive used.

>>15889475
How? I looked up the DW5600 manual and it doesn't mention it, only the 5610.

>>15889476
Microwave it for an hour or so, voila, no more beeps

>>15889469
I say thank you and wear it on special occasions to remember my grandfather.

>>15889469
Thank you

>>15889476
You probably found an old manual
Pic related is a pic of the 5600-e from Casio's website, you can see the music note with the line through it that means the beeps are disabled. I can't be assed to look up what the current module number is and pull the current manual.
https://www.casio-intl.com/asia/en/wat/watch_detail/G-5600E-1/

>>15889424
They've ordered Seikos because they were heavily advertised tough looking, tool-like watches readily available at an affordable price. Seikos were simply in the right place at the right time and they've filled the niche between a Timex and an actual tool watch like a Zodiac or a Rolex worn by actual divers and specialists. Thousands of lower-mid range swiss or french "tropicalized" "special water resistant" shitters like the base model Roamers worn in Rhodesia would have done just as well for roughly the same price. Seiko was also smart enough to use the image of the American GI in advertising, and gained a reputation as a maker of tough watches especially among African American and Hispanic servicemen who were not exposed to quality timepieces before and for whom the specs of a Seiko meant a huge upgrade from the cheap pin pallet watch that they were wearing in civilian life.

>>15889527
But those "quality" watches you're talking about were only marginally better than Seikos at the time. They were just solid tool watches. Seiko was basically microbrand tier bringing affordable quality.

What is the THINNEST watch with greater than or equal to 300m water resistance?

>>15889537
hydro modded f-91w

>>15889537
Does quartz count?
Longines has a quartz hydroconquest that is 10.2mm thick and 39mm in diameter.

imagine two weeks of quarantine stuck in a bankok hotel room with archie

>>15888276
I think it's a cool design, the way that it's an P S that forms an X. Not every single watch needs to be a Prospex though.

>>15889410
Great watch but the first thing you should to to it is replace the modern GMT bracelet (polished center links) with an Oyster bracelet. Looks too much like jewelry for a tool watch.

>>15889581
It's their sport and toolwatch line so all their tool watches are prospex, i guess you can argue about the alpaninst but it's clear they decided that the screw down crown and water resistance made it a tool watch. Otherwise it would say presage on the dial instead.

>>15889562
Do people actually give Archie money?

>>15885177
This is not funny man.

>>15889469
>I carelessly slip that atrocity in my pocket without a word after sparing him a gaze that expresses a mix of disgust and disappointment
>I guide my steps towards the local pawn shop owned by a sleazy old man of middle eastern (preferably Lebanese, Jewish or Persian) ancestry
>I give my best boomer impression looking in his eye and giving him a firm handshake before explaining that I know what I have but I'm looking to exchange it for something that's more fitting for a modern and refined young man like me, a watch that will be admired by women and envied by men
>the smiling merchant nods knowingly before taking off his own watch and placing it in my hand
>the most iconic watch of the last 100 years
>designed by Gerald Genta
>made by the finest Swiss maker
>worn by rulers and celebrities
>my one true grail
>rolex
>midas

>>15889316
never seen these before. what movement do they have/how much do they go for? they look pretty neat.

>>15889598
Often been rumours floating around he's actually quite well off from lots of people paying him, he just plays up to his poor and pathetic gimmick and lets people make fun of him because it's best for business.

>>15888527
>>15888546
>>15888623

https://www.rolex.com/watches/day-date/m228235-0025.html

Find a flaw

>>15889410
What's another few thousand when you're already 300k in debt? That's a drop in a bucket

>>15889534
Thing is the price difference between the "affordable" Seiko and the "expensive" "premium" base model ss Rolex was negligible when compared to today, with a lifetime purchase Rolex going for about twice/two and a half times as much as an essentially disposable Seiko with worse specs. Thing is buying a Rolex made actual sense unless you've spent your money on gambling, drinking, smoking weed and fucking underage prostitutes, or, even worse, if you were an actual brainlet looking to "make a deal" by ordering some backwater shitter from a catalogue aimed exclusively at army grunts, i.e., the dumb and the poor, the very people who could very much use the money from selling a vintage Vietnam era Rolex to retire in some comfort today.
For ultimately, this post isn't about Seiko, the Vietnam era and GIs, no. It is, and it always was, about shitters, jomashop and the anons of /wt/. And the reason I'm telling you this is because I love you all.

>>15889689
4:30 date window

>>15889689
Thr only flaw is that they don't use that movement in a smaller watch. If i was spending that much i would be tempted to see if i could get a defy land rover edition for a similar price.

>>15889707
How does this look with a normal leather strap?

>>15889712
It looks like you could put a standard leather strap on it. At worst you would have to notch it. But i would probably keep it on the rubber.
At around 1:00 he shows the strap
https://youtube.com/watch?v=EnMS55NxTYY

>>15889599
I laughed so hard I couldn’t breathe

where new thread?

>>15889622
They use the relatively common LIP R52 and R53 electronic movements of the era. They are not common, and working examples usually go for around 500-600 euros (for comparison, 800-900 euros would buy you the 18ct gold version of the mainstream looking electronic models). They were relatively expensively despite being aimed at a younger, hip audience and as with most 1970's LIPs the material quality of the rubber and plastic parts isn't great.
There are two NOS examples with different dial colors on ebay.fr right now, 300 euros each or 500 euros for the two but the price makes me think that they might be smaller models and they probably don't work either.

>>15889745
http://www.crazywatches.pl/lip-r53-rudi-meyer-electric-1974

this is the last /wt/, after every poster realized they don't need anything but a Casio F-91W they decided to stop making new threads

>>15889734
Ok looks pretty decent, kind of bothered with the orange, but it's fine. Breitling still looks better from the front though, but this has the autistic window with a really nice rotor and everything.

>>15889762
Based

>>15889744

new bread

>>15889818
>>15889818
>>15889818
>>15889818
>>15889818

>>15885272
Lost

>>15888682
how are his shorts that wrinkled, what the fuck

>>15890259
his shorts were crumpled and nearly destroyed by the sexually aggressive cumoholic asian girlfriend gifted to him by the Seiko AD after he paid retail for the GS