/fa/ - Fashion

>>15851242
>>15851206
>You get some super basic bitch shit that people would nitpick to hell if it was on any other watch

Ok, let's try an exercise to find a watch that's superior to Rolex in these categories:

a) it has to have the same level of finish or better (since Rolex is apparently so basic)
b) it has to be a lot cheaper than Rolex (since Rolex is apparently so overpriced)
c) it has to have decent and universal design (not mall-like, tool design is fine, preferably between sporty and dress, not ultra-dress like Patek, not ultra-sporty like watches for black people)
d) it has to have a certain *something* that Rolex doesn't have (for example a display case back, or a rare complication, so that when your friend has a Rolex, you can show off your watch and say "but does your Rolex have this?")

Please list anything that fits the criteria and we can analyze it.

Post edgy watches

Rolex is for poor people who want people to think they're rich or rich people who want everyone to know they're rich. Either way, you're a low self-confidence, little bitch.

>>15851245
Just get a fucking Seamaster. Why are you asking strangers on the internet what to buy anyway? Have you no personality?

>>15851248
Alright, see >>15851245 and let's try to find something better (that isn't for even richer people).
>>15851249
Please calm down.

>>15851248
This. They're tacky af too, in a bad way.

>>15851248
Why do you care? You'll never be able to afford one

>>15851253
Any retard can get a Rolex. Ask archieluxury.

>>15851235
Tourby makes a diver that is pretty nice at a fraction of rolex sub price.

And JLC Reversos are pretty cheap considering the size of the movement and overall quality and the brand is no joke.

Thoughts on Dufrane? Microbrand out of Texas, the Waterloo is a pretty handsome watch. Thinking about copping

>>15851255
Oh, and as a toolier watch, the Seiko Prospex/old marinemaster, is a watch with GS movement, and hand finishing on the case.

>>15851245
https://www.omegawatches.com/en-gb/watch-omega-seamaster-300-master-co-axial-chronometer-41-mm-23330412101001

The redpill is that it's all about the strap, not the face.

>>15851245
Seamaster Prof
Literally any grand seiko
Any JLC priced less than rolex
IWC aqua timer

What do i win

>>15851248
You’ll learn sooner or later that Rolex is the best

>>15851260
>american assembled

Thats pretty much all there is (to know) about american watch industry in the 21st century. Accept you are buying philippino, china, malaysia made parts assembled (for what part, exactly?) in the yu es. Weiss, Shinola, Timex.

Long gone are the days of Elgin and Ingersoll.

*tink tink
ahem, may I have your attention please
Fuck Rolex
Fuck Omega
Fuck Audemars Piguet

>>15851272
All those seem to be in the Rolex price range though, you're paying maybe a little less because they're noname brands, but not much.

I pulled a trigger.

>>15851290
based, you won't be disappointed with the greatest tool watch of all time

>>15851290
It should have been to your head.

>>15851290
multi band

>>15851289
>noname
You just confirmed you are on your tenth month waiting in the wishlist for a lolex. Now git.

>>15851260
looks shitty for the prices. pretty bad website too

>>15851286
RGM

why do mechfags discuss accuracy with other mechfags but whenever a quartz chad joins the conversation they say that accuracy is not the point

>>15851260
Looks awful and even cheaper than the price asked for it.

>>15851330
It's almost as if the criteria and regimes under discussion are completely different.

>>15851330
No you're going to hurt their feelings!
They have to feel like their overpriced mechanical oddities are worth it!

>>15851330
the same reason trannies will never be woman

>>15851341
My feelings are unaffected due to the fact I have enough money to buy mechanical watches.

>>15851260
To be honest this is not terrible. People are saying you get Chinese parts and it's bad for the price but you get a Sellita and the watch looks decent. It's not to my taste but if you want one, there are worse watches one could own

>>15851325
>bespoke pieces
Not really the same league, is it? Im willing to bet continental yurop has more of those type of watchmakers, hell, even Japan.

Posting collection for attention. What to cop next?

>>15851352
Wouldn't you want accurate watches instead?

>>15851330
its more interesting when a mechanical device can do incredible things. its the reason why they dont let people drive racecars in long distance running

>>15851246

>>15851385
A 2 or 3 spd mechanical watch gets anyone to meetings on time. In what way would increased accuracy be more beneficial than that or help in every day life?

>try out a rose gold royal oak offshore
>I swear it weighs a whole pound on my wrist
I can see why rappers liked that thing

>>15851390
This is exactly the appeal of mechanical. You are doing more with primitive and inefficient technology and dealing with the side effects (winding, re-setting, losing time) is more fun.
Same thing with cars. Not shifting your own gears was figured out ages ago with automatic. But people want something less boring and more engaging.

>>15851260
>>15851286
>>15851325
>>15851358

Thanks for the feedback. The Dufrane uses an SW200 which is a pretty good Swiss movement, and the watch is fully assembled in the US. Can you buy this and confidently say it's at the very least not Chinese?


Weiss and RGM seem to be the only manufacturers to make their own movements in the US, and I'd like to buy US but these are out of my price range

>>15851427
They're all fucking Chinese, bro. The Swiss brands get their parts manufactured in China and they just assemble them in Switzerland. When you see SWISS MADE it actually means something like "59% Swiss Made" with different definitions of what constitutes "made" like assembly, materials, research...
If it was actually assembled in America and has good QC on each watch it's pretty good. You're getting a rock solid movement that beats at 4hz as everyone, including the Swiss, are backing off to 3hz to get more power reserve. It's got a unique but still pretty classic look. I think you can wear it and feel good about it. I don't like the date window but its placement is inoffensive and while the lume means it might not be a "true" dress watch, it and the date make sense as a daily wear. 39mm is good too, not too large but not too small even though 38 would have been better but what's 1mm really

Recommend me a 36mm chronograph

>>15851406
its gold son

>>15851443
A Patek Philippe Ref 1579

>>15851449
I swear it looks much thicker than 13mm but that was its actual thickness too

>>15851349
But a quartz watch is a watch, the same way that trans are human.

>>15851260
Not terrible, but you would do better with a cheapo vintage.

>>15851245
Vostok. It has everything you listed and superior proletarian soviet finish instead of bourgeois nouveau riche finish.

These watches look ugly as shit.

>>15851245
Ball Watches.

>>15851406
There’s something really curious about wearing a fully gold watch. It’s absurd, impractical, and gaudy but just so cool. For me one of the most desirable sport watches is a white gold submariner even though objectively I know it is retarded.

>>15851488
I agree, there is a lot of balls in wearing an all gold watch. I can't pull it off though I'm not swarthy enough.

>>15851427
How can you look at that and not think chinese at the same time. Ive seen that case a million times on any and all microbrand shitters, even "made in germany" watches.
Hell, the hands and dial too.

For the sake of argument, how much does your pic rel cost? A microbrand might ask something vulgar like 400-600 for it, a brand like san martin maybe 200. EXACT.SAME.PARTS.

>>15851493
So I like knives along with watches and it's an open secret that when a company produces anything in China, they have to send the blueprints, which are then copied and bootlegged by the Chinese. But the Chinese don't stop there. Sometimes these factories will run 12 hours a day making knives for a "USA" company like, say, Benchmade, where they get shipped to the US, assembled there, and sold for hundreds of dollars, and then after midnight another crew comes in, they turn the machines back on, turn on a couple different machines that just stamp a different logo, and then sell it for a fraction of the price.
The same thing is happening in the watch world. All these brands, from Steinhart to Rolex, are making cases in China because the Chinese just need the same machine and the schematics and they will make the shit for pennies on the dollar. Then the Chinese make their own version. All this proves is that Swiss shit is a ripoff and as you go down that line to the Chinese offbrand you are just getting ripped off slightly less. But you accept getting ripped off because you're a watchcuck. You just need to determine what your threshold is.

>>15851383
Something brave, like a Citizen with a bracelet

>>15851383
You should get a green Seiko Alpinist or a Hamilton field khaki mechanical on an OD green NATO

>>15851443
How much money and what style?

>>15851245
>>15851481
There is your answer. They have a few designs that are made in the same 904l steel that Rolex shills nowadays. There are some universal designs that fit between dress and tool. Ball, unfortunately, has their gaudy counterweight for the seconds hand, and they also heavily use tritium tubes on most of their watches.

>>15851519
>balls counterweight is gaudy
>rolex crown not gaudy

>>15851502
I think it is common knowledge that products that dont make the QC (if there is any), go from the same manufacturing plant into the warehouses of the knockoff company and being sold there for a fraction of the price. Quality being hit or miss, you might catch a good piece for a bargain, you might get a lemon and end up paying shipping to chyna back and forth.

Same way as for example Jim Beam owns smaller companies and sells lesser batches, or same ones, you wont know, to noname underdog offbrand bottlers and just slice a larger piece of the market, while being able to rid themselves of the lesser good shit for a profit, or at least not for a loss.

>>15851518
That's sexy AF. How much is that?

>>15851520
Not him, but I think that the crown integration on the Datejust and OP is tasteful.

But I also like the counterweight on Balls as a quirk, so what do I know.

I would gladly have a Ball without tritium tubes, though.

>>15851484
Learned about that brand before TGV
>tips fedora

>>15851525
Depends.

The original is a Heuer Carrera, actual Heuer, these seem to be the most valued and smallest in size (2447).
After the TAG buyout, they did some edition in the 90s I think (3110) still good value for the money, then another in the 2000s, at which point they strayed so far from the original in their Carrera lineup, Casio started to make copies of them; then they came out with some aniversary meme, which still holds true to the original design language, but costs like 6k.
All in all, prepare at least 3-4k and take a deep nosedive into the variants, versions and references regarding dial finishes, etc.

>>15851534
pure class

>>15851383
Credor phoenix chrono or any other mechanical Credor for that matter. Some real decent prices on yahoo auctions

>tfw started wanting a chronograph
>evolved into a dive watch
>further evolved into just a simple sportswatch

>>15851249
>cuck-axial
no

>>15851270
swatchnigger pls leave
You will never be a Rolex.

>>15851245
>a) it has to have the same level of finish or better
>b) it has to be a lot cheaper than Rolex
>c) it has to have decent and universal design (not mall-like, tool design is fine, preferably between sporty and dress,
>d) it has to have a certain *something* that Rolex doesn't have

Grand Seiko is best alternative and checks all the boxes. Omega could have been a great competitor and they still are obviously, but as a substitute or ''submariner killer'' they're a joke.

>>15851292
>greatest tool watch of all time
You mean this right?

>>15851638
>>Grand Seiko is best alternative and checks all the boxes.
Which GS costs a *lot* less than Rolex though? The ones I've seen that are interesting (and not just the basic "hello I'd like to buy a watch" watches) are like $6-10k just like all the other luxury watches.

>>15851502
>>15851524
To add, I remember Stowa has been caught as some offbrand chinkshit watch had Stowa stampings on their cases, the Stowa CEO admitting a big fucking nothing. People will bend the law as much as their can and push the profit margins as much as their marketing will allow them to.
This isnt exclusive to watches, or knives as you put, but any goods, doesnt even have to be luxury, only there the profit margins are exponentional.
I have worked in a milk processing plant, we used the same milk in cartons of a store-brand marque for say €.85, then the same milk in a highly reputable brand in a different print (same carton) for €2.
You need to be weary, and as written know your threshold. And at any rate, can you blame the companies? Would you not do the same, should you be in their positions, have a name to ride on, being able to produce whatever and people still paying you for it while giving you a 80%+ profit margin? Take any brand you like, ANY, Longines, Tissot, TAG, Omega, ze Germans. What is more disgusting, IWC or Panerai overcharging tenfolds for random ass china shit, or a microbrand charging 500 for a 100 worth of watch?

>Stowa flieger for 800
>Aristo for 500
>Tisell for 300
>San Martin for 200

Is it sad? Yes. Can we do anything against it? Maybe buy used for half the price, maybe buy replicas. There will still be enough customers to pay the full price without hesitation, so our point is moot.

We have to find our own peace of mind.

Wow, this is just like the Gear Thread on the photography board. Just full of brand whores who buy Rolex/Leica and poor people with their sour grapes of never owning one.
Stay consumerist and keep that economy going, comrades!

>>15851645
Yeah, there are so many people willing to be fleeced for "luxury" that brands have no incentive to change. There is little accountability. We just have to cope

>>15851648
What's the photo equivalent of this, does it exist? >>15851245

>>15851638
Great finishing but why no lume? Why the ugly oversized crown? I like the idea of a spring drive GS but this is not the one.

>>15851626
If you are a simple being, you only really need a bezel to time shit like pasta cooking or parking meters. Chronos are nice, but serve no real purpose, anywhere you might need actual time measurements, you are likely to have a tool for it.

>>15851644
The trick is to buy them used because GS never holds value.

woooooooooooo bought one of commemorative Desert Shield USSR shitters
woooooooooooo
it's gonna get here by my birthday! (late March)
woooooooooooo

>>15851655
Cameras and watches aren't equivalent as watches all do the same job and cameras are tools.
A $10 Casio tells better time than a $25k Rolex whereas in cameras, spending more gets you better performance.

>>15851644
any of the heritage line with a 9s65 secondhand.
looking at around 2.5-3k depending on condition or if you go for the old logo design
anything more exotic mechanical wise you looking at over double that. drawback is that while it's still a GS (unbeatable finishing in it's price range) the movement while reliable and quite pretty is otherwise horologic ally speaking quite unremarkable

>>15851656
No lume is a stylistic choice for dress watches.
The actual issue is the GS is large and has sport watch proportions with a dress watch look, which is off. If it was 39mm it would be perfect

>Do you like stainless steel sports rolex models?
They're SHITTERS
>Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when the new stainless steel Sports model came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole watch has a clear, crisp look, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the stainless steel sports model a big boost. They’ve been compared to grand seiko, but I think rolex has a far more rich, wealthy sense of humor.
Hey Halberstram.
>Yes, Allen?
Why are there copies of the seiko catalog all over the place, d-do you have a shitter? A little seiko flightmaster or something?
>No, Allen.
Is that a stainless steel sports Rolex model?
>Yes it is! In '87, rolex released this, Fore, their most accomplished stainless steel sports model. I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Ceramic submariner no date", a watch so catchy, most people probably don't look at the shitter on your wrist. And they shouldnt, because it's not just about the pleasures of rolex stainless steel sports models, and the importance of shitposting, it's also a personal statement about the watch itself.
>Hey Paul!
>TRY GETTING A DAYTONA AT AN AD NOW, YOU FUCKING STUPID POORFAG! YOU, FUCKING POORFAG!

>GS will NEVER make a non-retarded case size

>>15851717
They make tons of smaller, thinner watches.
Pic is 39x11 mm

>>15851709
Apparently one of the ADs say I need to spend like $50k before I get to be on a list for a Daytona

Speaking of oversized Grand Seiko models
This this is 46mm!
And almost 15mm thick!
I guess the just wanted to be able to reuse the ceramic pieces that fit their chrono instead of having to make a new ceramic production line for smaller pieces. But holy fuck who is the target market for this? Do asians really like watches that are thicker than their wrist?

>>15851753
I hope you told them to fuck off

>>15851725
looks like Ali, homie

>>15851758
>But holy fuck who is the target market for this? Do asians really like watches that are thicker than their wrist?
YES
LIKE YOU WOULD NOT BELIEVE
Chinese especially. I am on very good terms with this old Chinese watchmaker who is able to service, and has serviced, some amazing timepieces. And his shop is half retarded Invicta shitters of unimaginable size and tastelessness. I asked him about it and he said that the average Chinese guy walks in and wants that stuff because it's big and loud and impressive. If they could they would get watches with solid gold tiger penises and jade dragons and shit on it because they love that garish style.
You go to Japan and Korea and all these kids with 6 inch tranny wrists are wearing giant mallshitter chronos with two tone bracelets and random red accents. Grand Seiko is like right on the edge, as close as you can get to marketing towards that sensibility without going full retard

>>15851761
That number is also the same for a Hulk Sub for some reason. Pepsi/Batmans drop down to $33k.

Good thing I don't give a shit about the Daytona and the more popular Rolex models. iirc I asked them out of curiosity.

>>15851772
Who's Ali?

>>15851775
The Hulk was recently discontinued, that's why
The Hulk was always fucking hideous anyway, I don't get it

>>15851680
I mean you can almost get an old DateJust for that much too.

Does anybody know of any watches similar to pic related, but as a quartz? I love the busy dials of older chronographs. I've already looked into Dan Henry, the Military Chronograph for example, but its 14 mm thick, which is way too thick for me. Any other brands that replicate that kind of vintage style?

>>15851777
AliExpress

>>15851782
citizen, probably

>>15851774
And here I thought the RO Offshore I tried earlier today feels way too thick. I also feel like 46mm is the biggest I can go before the lugs start to extend beyond my wrist.

>>15851787
Really? Which models?

>>15851783
>PatekPhilippecalatrava.jpg

is there a seiko or something affordable that has this look with the cream? i dont wanna spend 600 euros on a micro brand like this

oh yeah they updated the sneedmaster
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PznIi4Cr1pA

>>15851816
that new san martin offbrand rolex sub

Even if all of those Omegas or Grand Seikos can compete on price and specs, they all crash to the ground once you measure their thickness compared to Rolex. It’s inexcusable for the ATs ans Seamasters to be so big. Grand Seiko is just a complete joke, even their 9F watches are slabs.

That alone warrants the price difference for Rolex.

>>15851826
The only thicc Rolexes are the Sea Dweller/Deepsea and the Sky Dweller I think

>>15851816
>i dont wanna spend 600 euros on a micro brand like this
I was worried about this as well, but since getting one anyways I can honestly say I haven't thought even once that I spent too much money. The quality is there

>>15851836
How long have you had it and which color scheme did you get? It's the best looking sub 1000 euro watch I've seen

>>15851822
>same shit with a different ribbon
all so tiresome, like a car manufacturer coming out with an entirely different, unrecognizable new model year, that looks exactly the same, but the front mask, headlights and tail lights have been changed

ALL NEW

>>15851816
This is probably the cheapest you can get with that kind of vintage look and size. I don't think seiko has any options that fit the bill.

>>15851841
it's not exactly the same

>>15851856
>different crystal refracts the light differently, this has been known by hesalite/sapphirefags
>different contrast bezel
>better centered branding
>somewhat wider seconds pip
>different bracelet

ALL NEW

>>15851782
Seiko Age of Discovery.

>>15851867
The crown and pushers extend out further from the case too. It will also look smaller on the wrist due to the retracting endlink

for me, it's teddy baldassarre

>>15851867
It also has the 3861 caliber from the latest snoopy too

>>15851816
The gold accents make the lume warmer sort of.

>search for 36mm watches for my dainty wrists
>most of them are “elegant,” diamond-encrusted, or straight up marketed towards women
Just fuck my shit sideways.

S o i k o fucking sucks, brand reputation is huge and all the shills, seeing their shit at Macy's is bringing it down to all the other mainstream shit out there. Its losing how special they used to be. At least in my perception.

>>15851900
how much do you want to spend?

>>15851900
Quick Google search shows tons of 36mm watches for men

>>15851900
Go vintage m8

>>15851826
Weak manlet that doesn't like heft

>>15851900
You have ''many'' options, Tudor Black aby 36, >>15851905 Stowa marine/flieger as the anon says, IWC petit prince for higher budget, Junghans max bill, mid-smaller JLC reversos,cartier tank large/santos dumont small...Check not just the case size but the lug to lug, for example, If I had to buy a higher end diver with my smaller wrists I would go for the omega planet ocean 39mm,it has a under 45mm lug to lug.

>>15851880
>>15851888
ALL NEW

>>15851921
>it's ok if Rolex does it

>>15851919
I’m probably looking at like a 3k budget.
I didnt know that about the PO... might be a later purchase.

Endgame pieces right there

>>15851942
looks terrible

>>15851942
I dont know what people see in those

>>15851411
stupid comparison because a good driver can shift better than most automatics, also when that shit breaks have fun

>>15851934
It aint, both are shit. Only Omega shits out special edition speedys like Jamesons and JD spits out special editions. ALL SAME, ALL NEW

>>15851951
Nothing, it’s a dumb forced meme. They’re shit in every way.

>>15851942
good for you Ivan

>>15851665
Nice

>>15851242

Hey guys. I want a Datejust like pic related.

>white dial
>brown leather band

Can't really justify blowing almost 10 grand on it right now so I got a Seiko 5, pic related, to tide me over for under $120. My current dress watch is a Victornox quartz, and it uses the battery up every few years. Costs too much to keep replacing for a watch I hardly wear, so I'm stepping into the cheap automatic world. How'd I do?

Oh hey Vincero has a Heuer Bund clone.

>>15851655
everything that isnt leica

>>15851290

Based. Objectively the best watch of all time.

>pic related

>>15852095
How old are you?

>>15851383
Rooooooooooolllllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeex!

>>15852085
It's a good watch, seiko is good bang for the buck in a lot of cases

I'm confused on why someone would buy a ploprof fake/homage

confused as to why anyone would buy any fake/homage

>>15852110
Because we're not retarded enough to give 99% of the price to Shekelberg? How much of a cuck are you?

>>15852113
poorfag cope

>>15851816
Invicta 1953

>>15852097
38. Why?

>>15851886
Reddit

>>15852100
Thanks, fren.

When I get the Rolex, it'll be nice to have a "beater" version of it.

>>15851967
post your watches bitch

>>15852104
>Please note that due to the Bi-directional rotating bezel, there are some ''free play'' on the bezel action, which is not a quality issue
Fucking chinks can't even get a button locked bezel right

>when you absolutely positively have to have a Breitling but your POOR AS FUCK

>>15852129
looks like a timex

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Abacus-LACO-Lacher-designed-by-Roy-Schafer-Magnetic-Sphere-Quartz-Mens-Watch/264957468723?hash=item3db0b22033:g:DbEAAOSwQW9fw~un

this is a very rare watch that is probably 80% functional, but i remember it from years ago when it was still impossible to get. probably worth at least $500. i'm considering buying it just to dissect how it works

What is the best Operator watch and why is it pic related?

where can i get this watch?

>>15852142
It's not, it's way too huge and metal. And has a shit date.

>>15852142
feel like it's probably some gshock or luminox. when i was in afghanistan there were some devgru guys at the same base as us and that's what they wore mostly.

>>15852149
Is Luminox actually plastic? I've seen pics and it looks like it's made of fucking silly putty, everything is comically oversized and imprecise looking.

>>15852147

But it's automatic, analog (which is superior to digital g-spot) and the date size does not matter for an OPERATOR. Tritium dials make it visible all the time when OPERATING at night which OPERATORS do 99% of the time.

>>15852149
Marathon is better than Luminox.

>>15852159
dont think any of them wore marathon, maybe cag guys have better taste lol

>>15851330
>>15851341
Samefag

>>15852155
Luminox is literally Jewish

>>15852142
mogged.

>>15852145
Reddit

>>15851774
FUCK Chinese

>>15852142
Fuck no. The $20 plastic Casio dive watch is much easier to see and read at a moment's notice. Digital beats that.

>>15851245
Stop trying to appeal to people on the internet and get any watch you want. If you want a Rolex, get a Rolex. They obviously make damn good watches. But, Rolex or not, any fine Swiss watch will serve you well, will be a solid piece that will last you a lifetime and you can pass on to your grandchildren, and will bring you joy every time you look at your wrist to check the time—so long as you follow your heart and get the right one that speaks to you.

But, if you're interested in my response to your exercise, I personally I think the Seamaster Professional Diver 300M (one reference previous to the current design) is the perfect watch and checks all the boxes.

>It's finished as well or better than a Rolex (certainly better for the price considering its closest Rolex competitor is the basic Oyster Perpetual) with a more complex and difficult to craft case that combines satin and highly polished elements flawlessly.
>MSRP is already a lot cheaper than Rolex but you can get them at a heavy discount and they're actually available at ADs.
>IMO it has a fantastic design for a tool watch with perfectly proportioned appliqué indices, logo, and marquee, a fully graduated dive bezel, gorgeous skeletonized hands, perfectly twisting lugs (superior even amongst other Omega watches), and a beautiful glossy dial that literally looks like it extends downwards into infinity (trust me pictures do not do the dial justice. The colour is perfect and appears to be several different shades at once. I will sometimes just stare at mine for a minute or two at a time admiring it. Pic related is the closest I have seen to what it looks like IRL but even it doesn't tell you the whole story)
>beautiful caseback, coaxial escapement, helium escape valve (some people dislike it but it is a conversation piece precisely for that reason), the Seamaster was standard issue for the British Special Boat Service, James Bond connection if you're into that thing.

>>15851886
T Mosso at the watchbox dot com or GTFO

>>15851921
The movement is totally different. Like a complete, ground-up rework with a coaxial escapement. And it's COSC and METAS certified and the previous Speedmaster was neither. It actually, literally, is all new.

>>15852090
>24hr subdial

>>15852119
You can't actually buy one. At least not for less than 4x msrp

>>15851856
Jesus Christ, it's nice. Why couldn't they just give the steel sapphire model a ceramic bezel.

Suggest a watch for me please
>Your budget
Under $20k
>Watch type
A tool watch of some sort. Not a diver.
>Movement
Automatic is preferred but manual wound is fine.
>Desired features
Nice case shape, not too thick (under 14 mm), applied branding/markers on dial, sapphire crystal, ceramic bezel, if it's a chronograph then 2 sub-dials instead of 3, some sort of notable history, preferably something not overly obvious
>Preferred strap option
Bracelet
>Wrist size or desired watch size
no bigger than 42 mm

>>15851867
Different Case
Master Chronometer

>>15852218
Rolex Yachtmaster 40mm
Ref 126622

>>15852218
Can be basically everything.

>>15852218
SLGH003

>>15851383
5 IDENTICAL FULL LUME BASEDMASTERS

Sweet my watch is in customs, I gave them the info they needed and they are saying they didn't get it and also saying its under review fml

>>15852252
Pretty good rec but too close to a diver (without being an actual diver because the bezel is bidirectional). Thanks anon

>>15852258
Not tool enough

YUUUH SUGGETS ME 250K NO MORE IF IT 251K I TOO POOR :X

>>15852218
Some of your requirements make no sense (you care about a ceramic bezel but don’t want a diver?) so I’ll just recommend the JLC Memovox which is by far one of the most interesting and entertaining watches without entering obscene HH tier.

>>15851680
I wanna rub my cock on that glossy dial and smear my precum around on it
bet it would feel amazing.

>>15852218
You need to figure out what you actually want

https://www.chrono24.com/bellross/bell--ross-vintage-br-v2-94-aeronavale-bronze-automatic-blue-dial-mens-watch---brv294-blu-brsca--id16543545.htm

>>15852142
if you are operating today, itll be a gshock, thats based off of what I have seen.

>>15852218
Dmasko DC80
Less than 14mm thick
Custom modified chronograph with central minutes timer
Compatible with the amazing in house dmasko bracelet
Several options for accent hand colors, yellow green white etc.

Casio is for poorfags.

>>15852388

>>15852397
he is poor in spirit

why do some watches look great indoors but terrible in broad daylight?

Suggest a watch for me.
>Rolex Explorer 1 but better

>>15852408
A Rolex Explorer 2

>>15852408
Omega Railmaster

>>15852408
omega spymaster

>>15851782

undone makes some vintage inspired quartz chronos:

https://www.undone.com/en/watches/tags/hassle-free-quartz

>>15852408
There is nothing better

>>15852408
tudor black bay 36

Can somebody recommend a strap for this that isn’t the boring old green NATO? Gimme something different

Recommend me a watch that says "I am from Mexico"

>>15852455
milanese

>>15852459

https://mrjoneswatches.com/collections/all-watches/products/last-laugh-tattoo

>>15852408
DJ36

>>15851383
>Seiko and Omega

Chad.

>>15852459
formex

>>15852459

>>15852464
I would get it if the crown were on the right.
>>15852470
This brand looks good, I am surprised I have not heard of them.

>>15852459
Cuervo y sobrinos watch, It's cuban heritage, but people won't know it and will asume mexican origins.

>>15852479
Oh those looks nice. I think I may have to get one of those and a Formex so I can have a Latin sports watch and dress watch both.

>>15852478
Formex make some pretty cool watches, interesting case deisgn and not fuck-you-expensive but I hate the logo unfortunately.
kinda reminds me of Christopher Ward
fed likes them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4Kusde-dSY

>This thread is about the appreciation of watches and their design, their history, and the engineering and materials that are required to make a functioning timepiece.

>>15852408
>Rolex Explorer 1
Rolex Explorer 2: Milgauss Boogaloo

>>15851648
and I’m just over here being a shitter and Rokinon chad

https://old.reddit.com/user/confusedanchistorian

Seiko confirmed for tranny watch.

If that cunt from Brisbane is here and still wants to buy the Seiko Lordmatic I have. My snap chat you can message me on is unironically josef.stalin

>>15852495
At least one anon ordered one. I'm excited to hear their thoughts when it comes in.

>>15852218
https://www.jomashop.com/omega-watch-130-33-39-21-02-001.html
>$5k
>traditional tool watch style, approved by METAS, resistant to magnetic fields reaching 15,000 gauss
>cuck-axial master meme-o-meter calibre 8900
>nice case shape, 13.5mm thicc, applied branding/markers on dial, sapphire crystal, fluted tungsten carbide bezel, the Constellation line has a rich history and it's a controversial model
>s-strap
>39 mm

>>15852495
Are you talking about their old logo?
Because it has recently changed and their new one is ok in my book.

>>15852142
You'd have to be a special kind of autist to pick an automatic as an operator watch nowadays. G-shocks rule, digital or analog, it doesn't matter. I'm partial to Mudmasters.

>>15852563
It's much too thick or busy for a 3-hands dress watch. 4 damn fonts + the omega logo + this star.
It's too uptight for a sports watch.
The proportions are off.

I still can't figure out what Omega has been trying to achieve with this one.

>>15851942
im wearing one right now :^)

>>15851944
>>15851951
:(

https://www.chrono24.com/cuervoysobrinos/historiador-3194d1t-dual-time--id8158626.htm

This seems pretty epic, how exactly is Lange and shit better than this?

>>15852617
The hands of white men touched it
That's why you pay more for Swiss Made too

>>15852142
I have the smaller one and love it.

>>15852637

based

>>15852591
You shouldn't bother with unknown peoples' opinion.
But these are plain ugly.

>>15852635
>That's why you pay more for Swiss Made too
But this is Swiss made.

>>15852617
>Lange and shit better than this?
It's made by white men

sub date or gmt 2?

https://old.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/ksa7bu/sotc_2_years_later_i_am_done_for_now/

>To be honest, I can sell everything except the OP39, BB58, Speedy Reduced and G-5600E and I'll still be content.

>Looking to add a Rolex GMT Batman, Omega 2020 Silver Snoopy and a Lange Saxonia down the line.

Can anyone spot what's wrong with this?

>>15852713
Sub date no question. GMTs are lame

>>15852713
GMT Master 2
But only if you get the Rootbeer

>>15852714
He has a 5600-e and not a 5000-1jf
Also he wants to keep the speedy reduced
And the Seikos are cheap enough they are hardly worth selling
Cant even be mad he wants to sell the OP since that one sucks

This is a GREAT looking Seamaster.

>>15852714
SHITTERS!!!

>>15852740
I agree, the polished centre links and the butter fly style clasp lacking microadjustments has put me off owning any aqua terra though

>>15852713
GMT2 I'd say

>>15852740

Is that a 24h Chronograph with a GMT function? Is there a second hand for the chrono?

>>15852797
centre hand is chronograph seconds. left subdial is GMT + constant seconds. right subdial is chronograph minutes + hours.

>>15852822

Nice. That is the best setup I've seen for a chronograph. Date is out of the way, and the GMT is icing on the cake. Nice and symmetrical.

This is one thing I wish Rolex would make. I don't like the Daytona at all. I kind of want a mix of the Datejust with the Daytona functions.

>>15852576
>Dress watch
>Lume
>date
>seconds hand

>>15852828
Agreed. The only thing I don't really like is that the watch is a bit chunky. But it's a column wheel + vertical clutch chronograph with a goddamn GMT.

What's a good flieger that costs less than $1k

>>15852828
I've become a 2-dial chrono guy lately. A more symmetrical look but also easier to read with both hours and minutes on the same subdial. The Daytona is obviously a great piece and is technically speaking one of the best chronographs one can buy, but the dial is incredibly busy with too much text. If they cleaned up the dial it would be perfect.

>>15852853
Take your pick of sizes
https://www.archimede-watches.com/pilot/

>>15852853
Also Laco

Why did they have to give the steel gmt2 a jubilee

Because it looks better than the three link on the gmt

Oh great, another thread split.
DO NOT USE THE NEW THREAD
DO NOT REWARD HIM FOR BEING AN AUTISTIC ATTENTION WHORE

>>15852740
That is unironically my "attainable" grail

>>15852450
This to be honest

>>15852914

Should we completely ignore this thread and just start a real new one when we hit the bump limit?

>>15852957
Yes
The faggot didn't even make it a regular /wt/, just let it die

Suggestions for a light dial shitter?

watch this clip and tell me they're not using some type of video filter. same thing with watchfinder&co
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQSmGTnVos8

Do we like the SBGA427 here? I really want a Snowflake but the SBGA427 comes in a smaller form factor (39 mm) and is thinner by 0.3 mm according to official specs.

>>15853037
I like the case finish and bracelet much more on the one on the right.

>>15851242
Best Speedy. My question to you, /wt/: Black?

>>15853091
Or white?

>>15853093
White. I don't like the red hands and details on the blac version.

>>15853093
I'd go with the white, but I have a personal preference for panda dials and ones that are similar to pandas

>>15852957
yes
make a new one

What the fuck is with all the pieces on ebay and thailand? There are an absolute fuckload of them, and these are obviously fake as hell, India vintage watches going for like 30 bucks and thailand bastards have the nerve to sell for 100+

>>15853117
all the what?
seiko?

>>15853121
seiko and citizen, mostly it seems
it's just weird looking for good ones (that seem to be spread out, somewhere between 2 and 600)
and then all those pop up, looking brand new and seems just way too good to be true (more than likely is)
funny thing is some of the sellers have no negative reviews, but the india ones have quite a bit of complaints of fake and products not arriving

>>15853128
not sure about thailand but indian ones are just frankenwatches, all sorts of salvaged or mystery innards

most of the designs dont even exist officially, they are made by indians
you might or might not get a watch, it might or might not work

>>15853134
Yeah this is just odd to me

>>15853140
They are frankenwatches. India licensed some movements for Citizen and Seiko shitters and they have access to the parts because they run the same machines and stuff so you end up with a bunch of watches that have Seiko and Citizen branding but are Indian bootlegs and original designs, although made with the same movements and on the same machines.

>>15853140
Literally a chop shop job, in some circumstances they are literally putting random indices and logos on random dials and putting them in a random case

hey all explorer fag here. got job at pig processing facility so gonna leave the 114270 here. what Gshock should I get up to $50 USD?

>>15853186
A Casio dive

>>15852383
>omitting to note that the bracelet costs 600 on its own

What are some I C O N I C Chinese watches? I'm fairly convinced that Chinese watches will become more and more valuable and important in the coming years. Also I hate the swiss and wearing a Chinese watch is a good way to signal my spite and superior allegiances. My shortlist is

>Seagull Chrono
>Atelier Wen
>Celadon

>>15853263
shanghai 114
this is a vintage but there was a limited reissue

also that fitya space watch

>>15853263
Months ago I read that as Atelier Wien, I was confused to this day.

>>15852853
In addition to the other anons recs you could also get a san martin flieger with the seagull 6498 clone and put in a United 6498 for pretty cheap if you dont mind the sub seconds. The case, dial and hands are pretty nice on this one for $200.

Why are spring drive watches still so expensive?

>>15853325
Because apart from the quartz regulator they are mechanical watches.

>>15853273
w2c either vintage or re-issue

Is this worth anything?

>>15853186
I have a gm-5600-1 That I wear every day at work and that I really enjoy, I find the negative display very easy to read and the buttons are slightly larger making it more practical to operate the buttons while the watch is still on your wrist

Here is a shit pic

>>15853356
https://item.jd.com/50374664442.html
the reissues also occasionally pop up on WUS for $300-$400
there are a few versions i think

vintage is very rare and they go for at least $2000 and up

>>15853364
there are 2 of these on ebay now at ~$2600.

you shouldnt sell it anyway, since its going to be a gift.

>>15853220
He said his budget is 20k and i recommended a 3k watch, i don't think he is going to be too worried about the bracelet costing another $600.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/kspwma/question_how_can_graduating_students_afford_a/

>>15853384
>spending the money he doesnt have and shouldnt spend
>to buy a datejust

normies.jpg

>>15853389
I can't believe how much free money people in these countries get though, it's ridiculous. And how much free money people in wealthy countries get for dumb office jobs where they don't really do anything too.

>>15853384
>>15853392
How do normies never have any fucking money. I literally live in a dying industrial town with sky high unemployment, I had the money in the bank to buy a datejust at 17 from working a minimum wage job and give my parents some money here and there, this cunt drastically wants to buy a watch like that and can't seem to comprehend how to afford one

Uhhhh this nigger never thought about getting his dumb ass a job

>>15853392
see Graebers bullshit jobs for a decent analysis of this https://www.newyorker.com/books/under-review/the-bullshit-job-boom
theres also a fully fledged book I believe

>>15853400
Nuke everyone mentioned or alluded to in that article.

https://old.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/krfy7s/sotc_teenagers_watch_collection/

>>15853412
>https://old.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/krfy7s/sotc_teenagers_watch_collection/
?

>>15853398
Its because they literally just spend all their income on whatever their current hobby is. Half the time when you see a reddit collection it looks a load of new barely worn watches bought on a mad trolly dash of a spending spree. They have no impulse control and buy whatever they sorta like (or inflate sorta liking to loving). Its why they are never satisfied.
They spend all their money on their consoomer life and just end up treading water fiscally their entire lives.

>>15853412
There are several grown (possibly employed) men that post their watches here whose collections get mogged by this post.

>>15853419
Sounds about right. Aint too smart for a college boy that lad

I think Rolex are just trying to move the core steel sports lines into a different market segment. Not quite AP levels, but in that general direction. It’s true that for many years, when a man did well for himself, he’d buy a Sub, so they’re absolutely everywhere. I think Rolex want that man to now wear a Tudor, and for the Sub to be perceived differently. I agree that as someone who has been collecting watches for a couple of decades now, it’s so weird to see people going crazy over a Sub. ‘Finally got the call!!’, ‘Grail achieved!!’ etc....I’m not going to pretend that I’m immune to trends, but it’s weird that everyone suddenly desperately needs a submariner now that they’re difficult to get.

>>15851471
Dangerously based, the lack of responses is antestanent to the truthfulness of this statement

>>15853436
Dude you can't imagine how happy I would be if the days of being genuine anti-establishment would come back and you could still be cool while wearing military surplus and cheap shit and basically being a hobo.

But now Rage Against the Machine members live in mansions and wear Rolexes, Alex Jones wears Rolexes, Russia is a hypercapitalist oligarchy, there's no place in any culture or subculture for the common man, and especially not for a dissident on the basis of economy, not ideology (although for capitalism economy is the ideology).

>>15853440
>being more worried about being cool than being antiestablishment

That's your problem you're just as much a sheep as everyone else

This is a pretty epic watch, how come no one ever talks about it?

>>15853392
>And how much free money people in wealthy countries get for dumb office jobs where they don't really do anything too
Its not free money, you're selling your time

>>15853423
>‘Finally got the call!!’
god I fucking hate Rolex so much...

>>15853372
no i won't i'm just curious whether i should take it out all the time or just keep it for more special occasions.

>>15853423
Yeah it’s ultra gay I want a stubby still

>>15853423
> I think Rolex want that man to now wear a Tudor, and for the Sub to be perceived differently
Then they should make some watches other than the BB58 that don't suck shit.

>>15853423
Hopefully more people will catch on and refuse to buy R*lex

>>15853423
Exactly. They want tudor to be the new rolex and rolex to be the new patek.

Too bad they're literally copied 99.9% by $300 chinese fakes. And all they are banking on is the brand name and normie stupidity.

>>15853512
>And all they are banking on is the brand name and normie stupidity.
worked for them so far

>>15853487
>Its not free money, you're selling your time
No you're not, you're playing WoW for 8 hours, and maybe attending a "meeting" or writing a "memo" for 15 minutes every other day. I know how many people I play MMOs with are at work and online literally 24/7 and they're literally getting free money for it.

>>15853018
Tossit visodate / junghans max bill

Whats the best Nomos homage these days? Preferably an automatic. Other bauhaus style watches are ok too.

>>15853546
>Wanting a Homos Homage
Why?

>>15853551
Why not?

New
>>15853557
>>15853557

>>15853546
Stowa has some bauhaus style watches in the 1k-1.5k range.

>>15851245
Seiko marine master 300 (sla021j)

>>15853460
it got lost in the forest and when it was found the first thing someone did was take a high quality photo