/fa/ - Fashion

/fa/ is a slow board and the last thread is still on page 2, simmer the fuck down.

>>15764033
but nobody wants to post in a thread once the bump limit is reached.
that's how it's always been. you always find a link to a new /wt/ very near the bump limit.

Guys... I just want a one-and-done watch... I'm losing my mind here. I really don't have the money for more than one + a cheap quartz beater and I'm afraid I'll wear the beater 99% of the time so then the beater has to be nicer, and then the nice watch is useless unless it's even nicer, and so on.

>>15764045
That's never how it's been. 4chan has always politely waited until page 10 before making a new thread, so as not to flood other threads off onto page 11.
Only the ADD addled OP seems to think it is proper to behave otherwise.

>>15764047
What's your budget?

>>15764047
Just buy a Rolex and be done with it.

>>15764052
I fucking hate Rolex and wish it didn't exist.
>>15764051
Too poor for Rolex.

>>15764058
Get a 'verso duoface

>>15764035

>>15764050
I'm talking specifically about /wt/ over at least the last year or so (don't remember further back).
I get your point but why single out this edition of /wt/ when they're all like that?

I wear Reverso.

You wear Cock.

>>15764050
>4chan has always politely waited until page 10 before making a new thread
since when has 4chan politely done anything?
ps fuck you.

>>15764106
Wrong!

Speculate on what it's going to be
gold casioak?

>>15764106
Wrong!

>>15764035
based watchdog

I just missed my chance to get my grail for Christmas because I donated to the local orphanage. It fucking sucks to be a materialistic asshole with flashes of humanity bros

What are some $2-5k watches that actually look like they cost $2-5k? I honestly can't find anything on them that doesn't look like a $200-500 tool watch brand like Seiko or a $200-500 fashion brand like Festina, where the hell does the difference go?

>>15764132
Nomos has nice finishing in that range

>>15764132
used 3-5k watches

>>15764132
>What are some $2-5k watches that actually look like they cost $2-5k?
The Tudor BB58 is $3,250, has very good external finishing and an in-house, free sprung, silicon hairspring, balance bridge movement.

Damasko are ugly but very well made tool watches in that price range.

Nomos has very good movement finishing in that range, even if the designs are a bit bleh.

There are still GS models in that price range that have excellent external finishing.

I you don't mind high accuracy quartz, Citizen Chronomasters are very good in that price range also.

>>15764117
I'm sure it'll be well worth the money and not at all over priced.

>>15764155
This but the Tudor Pelagos

>>15764102
"the last year or so" is not "always" and it only further proves that the hyperactive shithead spamming these threads needs to fuck off and lurk more.

>>15764158
Good point. Forgot to mention that one. The Pelagos is the best mechanical tool diver on the market I think.

>>15764028
I have decided to get a watch instead of the Gold, I had been struggling to pick between the two.

Now I've got to pick between the watches I guess. I've got a Tudor black bay 36mm, a Tudor pelagos, a first omega in space speedmaster and a grand Seiko SBGN003 on the cards. Chime in and let me know what you faggots think

>>15764160
ok, but answer my question.
why are you just now saying something?
because it makes you sound new to /wt/

>>15764035
>I'll never get to jokingly put a $20,000 watch on my dog

>>15764179
>implying that dog doesn't let his human borrow his $20,000 watch

>>15764176
Are you worried about value retention? Because I suspect the BB36 will get a new in house movement soon and that might drop the resale on the then old one a bit.
Pelagos is great but it's a pretty big watch. I'd get a (used) Sneedmaster Professional if I were you.
If you can afford an Omega or a Tudor you can probably also afford a Rolex if you are a little bit more patient. So maybe think about getting an Oyster Perpetual.

>>15764178
If you think it is just now then it is you who is new.

Have a great weekend /wt/

Reposting the best sinn watch from last thread.
Pilot Watch EZM 9 TESTAF
They worked with some university or pilot licensing body to come up with specs for the ideal pilots watch. It's pretty fucking cool.
I also noticed that sinn is one of the only brands with $1k usd+ watches that offer black steel bracelets for some of their models. Not many other brands are brave enough to do that outside of ceramic bracelets or cheapo shitters the just have black paint on them.

>>15764208
Shitty empty dial though.

>>15764047
Citizen chronomaster, $2000 for a non solar version.
If that's too expensive then just get a Casio OceAnus, one of the least expensive models at $450-$550 and call it a day.
The oceanus is beautiful well finished accurate and has all the bells and whistles you could possibly want in a watch, it's nice enough that you can wear it pretty much anywhere.

>>15764192
>>15764192
I'm not so worried about resale value on any of them, I have had some good luck with selling watches for more than I paid for them (sold a Rolex op39 for a lot more than I paid for it, sold it because I really hate what Rolex are doing with their wait list non sense)

I'm a pretty big bloke, so I could pull of the pelagos no worries, honestly thinking about walking around the watches shops and buying whatever I like. How do watch announcements work now we have covid and no baselworld? I also think the bb36 is due for an in-house movement

>>15764200
Thanks fren

>>15764208
>They worked with some university or pilot licensing body to come up with specs for the ideal pilots watch
wow that's very specific and totally not pure marketing bs

>>15764033
>>15764050
>>15764160
>>15764193
Whine about it more you fucking cunt. No one has ever politely waited until a thread reaches page 10 on any board.
Fuck you and your feelings, little bitch.
Now go back to where you came from

Damasko just announced their new models
The dk30 is like the DS30 but with their in-house movement and NO DATE!!!
The dk32 is the same but with a date complication.
The DK30 has an msrp of €1,360 on a leather band. The matching submarine steel strap is still €600.

That are you favorite watch backs /wt/

>>15764226
Too bad those new A26-1 in-house movements use Nivarox style escapements rather than the free sprung gyromax style balance of their A35-1.

Should i buy this Shanghai Diamond brand Chinese watch with an in house micro rotor movement for $450

>>15764243
Front side

>>15764220
The blue dial pelagos is the right choice and you knew it deep down ready

>>15764240
Can you explain the difference and what the technical advantages or disadvantages are between the two styles of escapements?

>>15764243
>>15764247
Looks alright. The gold plating isn't a pile of shit and will wear off though? Actually really liking the design on this

>>15764248
I ain't trying to start a fight here, but the black dial is better

>>15764252
>The gold plating isn't a pile of shit and will wear off though?
I I just noticed they have a steel colored version, i would probably get that over gold plated.
>>15764247

>>15764252
I wouldn't want to start a fight either if I were on the losing side...

Gotta love a blue dial

>>15764217
See this is the thing, I would love an "expensive" quartz (something like Astron if I manage to find one that looks good), but then you get into the "it's still a mall boutique quartz and costs as much as a Tudor" territory...

>>15764226
>mfw the bracelet is worth half as much as the watch
Either it's a shitty watch or you're fucking me over instead of just offering the bracelet with the watch in the first place.

>>15764263
It's a really nice bracelet with ceramic ball bearings and autistic made in germany engineering also it's made out out a premium steel that's super hard. I agree they are expensive but they are also actually worth the money.

>>15764047
What about a sinn 556. Blue dial with the applied markers etc.

Its more dressy sports than the basic 556i/556a.

>>15764258
That looks like a Chinese Grand Seiko

>>15764274
Damasko might be the only brand other than rolex that makes their metal bracelets in house instead of in some factory in china.

>>15764277
Is that good or bad?

Am i crazy or do the tudor pelagos lhd models all have slightly aged looking lume compared to the normal right handed models?

>>15764284
Yes, it's an off-white (or cream, whatever they want to call it).

>>15764284
Yea the lhd has a cream lume. I think it also has a roulette date wheel.

>>15764284
Whoops, forgot the picture

>>15764286
>>15764288
Lol southpaws get dabbed on

>>15764259
I'm already having a hard time choosing and you hit me with this picture

>>15764284
You're right fren

>>15764282
It's good if you want a Chinese Grand Seiko

>>15764289
I just don't get how this is in any way better finishing than a typical mall watch, most of it literally looks plastic.

I still can't believe that Rolex intentionally makes an ugly watch model just so that proles will have a chance to buy one at MSRP. I can't decide if it's shrewd or disgusting.

>>15764319
this watch is literally
literally
created to use up spare parts for older model explorers

Grand seiko experience for cheap if you can find one
>too fucking big just like GS
>smooth seconds sweep
>actually more accurate than GS
>doesn't need to be serviced
>cool bevels and finish on indices and case like GS

>>15764035
Oh. This dogs watch is nicer than mine :(

>>15764335
>1 year battery life

>>15764335
The ballsack/scissors/"infinity symbol" on the seconds hand ruin it. Almost as devastating as that stupid crescent moon on that super high end credor.

>>15764344
I really like it and I think you're autistic

>>15764341
Do you think it's hard to change a battery?
Also pull the crown out if you're not gonna wear it for a while

>>15764335
Why didn't they just make the seconds hand counterbalance the Bulova tuning fork?

>>15764335
These are WAY too fucking big, and I'm saying that as a dude with 8 inch wrists. It would work so much better in a modern dress size.
>>15764355
Mental retardartrtikmb

>>15764331
this is such a believable conspiracy god damn

its so obvious once you realize it

>>15764358
I agree, but it's the same dimensions as a SARX or GS. The stepped dial and bezel help offset the size a bit.
Also lose some weight.

>>15764251
I can, and I'll try and keep it relatively brief:

The escapement on the A26-1 is the same style of 'regulated balance' as you find on most entry level and mid-range mechanical movements today. To adjust the period of the hairspring (and thereby the timing of the movement) it uses a movable arm that holds a pair of brass pins. The two pins on the regulating arm sit on the inside and outside of the outermost coil of the hairspring and the hairspring touches the inside and outside pins as it expands and contracts, adjusting the effective length of the spring, and thereby affecting how long it takes to swing back and forth.

While this style of escapement is relatively easy to manufacture, it has some downsides. Probably the largest is that regulating pins have a greater or lesser effect on the timing of the movement depending on which orientation the movement is in. This positional variation makes it harder to make the movement accurate and precise. It takes much more skilled labour than most modern watchmakers are willing to spend each movement to get really good accuracy out of a regulated balance. It requires using complex curve geometries for the start of the hairspring spiral, and for a skilled watchmaker to manipulate the geometry of the hairspring using tweezers to deliberately misshape it to offset the effects of gravity.

A free-sprung balance, by contrast, is harder to manufacture but much easier to make relatively accurate and precise once made. This type of movement uses moveable weights on the balance wheel to change the balance and inertia of the balance wheel to affect the timing of the movement, while the spring stays the same length. This also means the hairspring can be a perfectly concentric spiral. These types of movements are inherently much less affected by their position, which, combined with the relative ease of moving a few screws on the balance wheel, makes them relatively easy to adjust for fairly high accuracy and precision.

>>15764331
I still don't know why they discontinued their best watch.

>>15764370
Awesome thanks anon

>>15764377
But the best Rolex is the 37mm Yachetmaster.

>>15764377
which?

>>15764394
Why do I like the YM1 so much? I don't even like the sub desu

>>15764407
It's an incredibly sexy watch, it takes the sub and elevates it to a whole new level. It was originally designed to replace the sub with a more blingy up market design. But instead it became it's own line.

>>15764407
iirc it was THE hottest Rolex back in the early 2000s until the Daytona took over

>>15764200
What model is that?

Does anyone know if the old blue explorer-dial op 36s have lumed numerals, or is it just white paint like the 36mm explorer?

>>15764395
36mm explorer

So I've finally come to realize my 42mm field watch is too big for me. What's a good 40mm field?

>>15764439
Hamilton khaki field of your choice
That citizen solar field watch, i forgot the ref #
Or get a boldr venture

>>15764407
Ceramic and aluminum bezel inserts are boring. The platinum bezel is to die for. Not only that, the finish is incredibly durable. I’d go for a yacht master over a sub, all day every day

>>15764454
I'm pretty sure the bezel insert is still ceramic

>>15764454
>The platinum bezel is to die for.
Honestly? Kill yourself.

>>15764435
based

>>15764428
white paint

>>15764489
>>15764428
but it's not
https://youtu.be/WfWsK3TtqPo?t=285

>>15764480
this is why I use /wt/ and not r/watches which is just chinks and pateks and bugmen saying "wear in good health" while being envious to the point of impotent rage

>>15764494
I was going to say white paint that lumes dick

>>15764497
>>15764497
>ROLEX
>COPE IS PERPETUAL

>>15764439
I really like the 39mm GPW

Goddamn do I love Timex shitters at discount prices

>>15764331
source/article on that?

>>15764495
/wt/ actually knows watches.
Ya we spam the same Russian and chink shitters but we absolutely know HH pieces too. I find r/watches is just a bunch of fags posting their new monthly new watch purchase.

>>15764370
>for a skilled watchmaker to manipulate the geometry of the hairspring using tweezers to deliberately misshape it to offset the effects of gravity.
That sounds like a nightmare, and easy to fuck up.

>>15764542
i know, I have some nice pieces myself. I just like 4chan culture over pozzed faggy reddit

>>15764544
It is. It's basically like voodoo that you have to learn experientially. You also have to keep in mind that the effort and skill required rises exponentially as the accuracy standard you are shooting for gets tighter, as does the testing cost for verifying that the accuracy standard has been achieved.

Back before the quartz revolution there were several series production watchmakers who pushed accuracy on regulated balance watches to pretty extreme levels. Most notably Girard Perregaux, Grand Seiko, and Zodiac who offered movements adjusted to +/- 2 seconds per day and which could prove it in extensive testing.

Today no watchmaker would (normally) even *attempt* to adjust regulated balance watches to a +/- 2 second per day standard. The skilled labour required would make it not economically viable.

It's doable, though it still adds quite a bit to the price, for ETA to chronometer certify 2824-2s and 2892-A2s to a standard of -4 to +6 seconds a day by adjusting them in 5 positions. Just keep in mind that most of these chronometer certified movements are adjusted to be just good enough to pass COSC chronometer testing, not aiming to fully minimize positional variation.

Grand Seiko today still adjusts their regulated balance watches to -3 to +5 seconds per day in six positions, and they still use a complex first curve on their hairsprings as well as training their watchmakers to manually manipulate their hairspring geometries with tweezers to try to stick on the low end of their accuracy range. They also briefly offered a platinum special edition that was adjusted to +/- 2 seconds per day in 6 positions , marking the first time any series production watchmaker has done that since the 1970s, but even GS is starting the transition to a free sprung balance design, finally acknowledging how much easier it is to get serious accuracy out of that type of design.

>>15764226
ok... but why bother?
>sinn 556 exists

>>15764593
The sinn 556 only offers a no date option on a handful of the colored dials and not on the standard black models.

>>15764319
i like it

>>15764593
The Sinn 556 doesn't offer any of Sinn's proprietary case technologies. It's just a SW-200 in a Sinn styled case.

The Dk30 has an in-house built movement with a balance bridge for added shock resistance, has a surface hardened steel case, and all the other usual Damasko case tech features.

>>15764604
I agree but it actually has the submarine steel case, not hardened steel.

>>15764606
They surface harden the submarine steel. They fully harden their higher end cases, not just surface harden.

>>15764573
>Today no watchmaker would (normally) even *attempt* to adjust regulated balance watches to a +/- 2 second per day standard.

bruh rolex does that

>>15764616
Rolex movements use a free-sprung balance, not a regulated balance. As I mentioned above in >>15764370 , free-sprung balance movements are much easier to adjust for high accuracy. So does Omega with their new METAS adjustment standard.

>>15764616
Which calibers? Because unless I'm mistaken that's a weight I see right there on the balance wheel.

>>15764028
>be poorfag
>get first half decent watch today
>has lume
>spent half the night charging the lume on the led kitchen lights then standing there in the dark watching it glow
>notglowingenough.png
>neverenough.exe
>realise i'm a lumefag
How long until I'm sucking dicks on street corners to earn enough for a tritium lume watch?

>>15764208
That's not the Sinn UX. The any "reachable depth" diver.

>>15764289
even for a diver those hands are hideous

>>15764559
>bregay
>nice
>I like le 4chan culture
take your swatch garbage and fuck off back where you came from you literal faggot

>>15764497
>OP
>mazda
Images really do speak 1000 words

>>15764625
Yes, free-sprung means weights are used on the balance wheel for adjustment. Also ETA powermatics which people love to shit on are also free sprung. They are currently the cheapest free-sprung watches you can buy.

>>15764348
Dust and moisture will get in the crown and ruin the watch. Much cheaper to replace the battery than getting it serviced

>>15764621
If free sprung balances are so great why do only expensive watches have them? Is it that much more expensive to make?

>>15764243
>>15764247
Go for it if you like the design. Seems to offer more than what swiss brands do for the same price.

>>15764335
Have you worn a Grand Seiko? How can you tell if it's even close to a real one. I don't think the movement and finishing is close to a Grand Seiko. It's like me saying my Tisell submariner is the same as a Rolex sub because they both have smooth hand sweeps.

>>15764724
Cheap watch have them too >>15764712, but swatch group brands seem to have an exclusivity deal to use Powermatic 80s. Many don't like the movement for some reason but imo ETA actually innovated quite a lot to produce the movement.

>>15764729
But even chinks who spend the time to decorate fake rolex 'clone' movements don't seem to bother putting In a free sprung balance which is an obvious give away. I don't know why they wouldn't get a free sprung movement if it wasn't swiss magic to create.

>>15764729
Some are also marked with a Si symbol which I think indicates a silicon hairspring, which is impressive for the price of watches they appear in. Crystalline silicon (which is the form used for hairsprings) is very hard to machine so more expensive to produce hairsprings out of. I'm pretty sure that these hairsprings are not machined but rather etched using photo-lithography to produce.

>>15764737
It takes a lot of expertise to do it well, which is why only huge established swiss movement manufacturers like eta can produce something like the powermatic 80 cheaply.

>>15764720
That's not how crown gaskets work

>>15764746
Makes sense eta certainly isn't going to sell them to chinks and I'm guessing that would push the price of clones up a few hundred, I won't be surprised if they do it eventually though. Thanks for your knowledge autist.

I have a soft spot for ugly tool divers, orange dials, and things made in Japan. This son of a bitch combines all three aspects. I love this thing, just as much as I love the Seiko Monsters in my collection. It actually has a better movement, better specs, and better finishing than any Monster. It’s also uglier, but it gets a lot of consistent wrist time. I’m gonna switch out the stock bracelet for a shark mesh and go full autismo

>>15764772
Pretty good looking tho. It has a better case design than the triton. And the bezel is actually pretty dope.

>>15764772
>I’m gonna switch out the stock bracelet for a shark mesh
Nice are you going to get one of those $150 german made ones?

>>15764772
What are your thoughts on the orient m force watches?

When did orient start making pilots watches?
RA-AC0H03B10A

$99 for 2 casios, shipping & tax included. Should I do it?

>>15764837
Sounds good

>>15764837
>MUD RESIST
perfect for fisting

>>15764633
Just buy a marathon, tritium lume under $500

>>15764118
wow based af

>>15764841
No, I hate field watches with a passion deeper than the Marianas Trench.

>>15764823
No way, I can't justify spending $150 for a shark mesh. The watch is only worth about $300. I'm using a J. Vander shark mesh bracelet, which runs for about $45. I'll take a dremel to knock off a few rows of chain link steel and get a custom fit. Just for reference, this is far superior to the $15 or $20 specials that you get on Amazon or eBay. Strongly recommend to anybody

>>15764827
Excellent watches for the money. I have two earlier gen models that I wear almost daily for the gym, running, hiking, mountain climbing, landscaping, scuba diving, and shitposting on 4chan. Most models use the 40N5a which is a durable movement with good accuracy. The case design also lends to shock resistance, with the movement snug within a small latticework viton donut. The finishing and detailing is excellent, and consistent with a lot of Jap watches. I feel like I'm getting a lot for my money with this, rather than a lot of current Seiko offerings. Bottom line: this watch is a Seiko Monster killer and feels like the mechanical rendition of a Casio G-Shock

Is there any site that has markups of watches that I could 3d print?

I have no where near me that sells Sinn watches. Ive always been interested in trying on a 104 but the crown looks fucking huge in some photos (I wear on the left wrist) I just want to get an idea of comfort.

Should I get a Strela chronograph from Poljot24 or a HKED1963 for 2.5x less?

>>15764861
>J. Vander shark mesh bracelet
Awesome thanks for the recommendation

>>15764862
Just use some clay or crayola model magic or something.

>>15764863
You should either get a Strela or get the Seagull 1963 that is actually made by seagull.

>>15764868
The HKED version is the closest to the original

>>15764862
I could 3d scan a case of a watch if you wanted? It would probably be easier to just send the file once you get your hands on it to a machine shop and pay they to mill one out of stainless steel. You could polish it pretty easily

Thoughts on armand nicolet? Been looking for watches with this style of case design.

>>15764123
ok

>>15764868
the movement in the hked is still made by seagull
seagull is more of a movement maker (25% of global supply) than a watchmaker

>>15764940
Yeah anon, I get it, i just like the 1963 design more.
I wish seagull would make more like the original limited edition they made. That thing looked amazing.

>>15764999
i like the seagull1963 slightly more as well, it was one of the watches that got me hooked on this hobby

>the original limited edition
this one?(reissue) cant seem to find it anywhere

>>15764837
looks like a good deal, wish it wasn't twice the price where I live

>>15764881
The counter balance on the second hand is horrendous.

>>15764423
6138-7070

>>15764559
Hope you choke on your own dick when the cartel doesn't need you anymore.

>>15764559
reddit isn't a place for talking about watches. at least /wt/ cuts through the crap and you get honest opinions even if a lot of them are blatantly wrong, autistic weebs or from jealous poorfags.

>>15765086
the karma system means no one can actually say how they feel about the watch--unless it's a homage, then everyone on reddit will shit on it despite the great specs4price and nothing really being wrong with it (for what it is)
the main base of r/watches are casuals and a lot of really nice rarely seen shitters get overlooked, posting such watches also need a lengthy explanation of their origin which is not the case here or on WUS

>>15765103
Reddit is just a genuine shit hole where they have managed to construct a system where everyone is even more repressed than in real life.

Its a constant stream of insipid cunts constantly vying for attention. Over wrought posts trying to attach some deep meaning to their conspicuous consumption for fake internet gold and le upvotes.

4chan is a shit hole but reddit is something far more insidious.

>>15764192
>wall of text
Could buy it on monday, but wont because the swiss are retards.

Im on the fence, I need a second opinion. Talk me in or out of it.

>>15764226
The DS30 was good enough in the first place, only Damasko do not specify what grade movement they actually put in them.I was always wondering if they would come up with a submarine bracelet. Any shots of the whole combo?

>>15765153
It's ok, only ok. A watch with that price tag needs to do a bit more than be ok. However I am a drunk lowly kid from a industrial town probably thousands of kilometres from you. Take my opinion and do as you wish with it

>>15765153
design feels aged

>>15764729
Why DO people shit on powermatic, exactly? Also a lot of folk seem to hate co-axials? Why is that?

>>15765153
Boomer watch

>>15765164
>>15765167
>>15765170
Alright, keep looking it is. Much appreciated.

>>15765173
If they sorted out the bezel it could be a stunner. I feel like its aged so poorly. It cheapens the whole watch

>>15765168
I thimk because they lowered the beat rate ofba 2824 to extend the power reserve.

Pretty sure most people will prefer the higher beat rate so resent the powermatic

>>15764226
This is the watch I always wanted them to make! Very interested, thanks anon!

What's the best "luxury" tough looking army watch?

>>15765173
Now i feel bad, I've drunk 12 schooners and was going to say whatever you posted was shit. Buy the watch you like fren, don't mind me, I'm sitting at a train station about to get rolled by teenagers

>>15765211
>best
>"luxury"
>tough looking
>army
>watch

narrow it down, sperglord

>>15765224
Just name one?

>>15765211

>>15764863
Get the panda.

I haven't worn a watch in 3 decades, convince me to wear one, do you feel naked without a watch?

also name your top 3 beaters/daily wearers

how the FUCK do I convince myself to get into watches when I'm poor and cant handle shitters? do I just get Rich? what's the plan?

>>15765168
The base Powermatic has a disposable plastic escapement.

>>15765245
wait.
you're a boomer...
and you're poor?
is that even possible?

>>15765261
Don't reply to people who post using avatars.

>>15765261
Ask yourself that in 10 years time and see where you are.

>>15765231
LMAO is this real?

>>15765273
yes
its like $3000 or something
it looks like a old school display but its actually physical

>>15765275
I ain't paying 3k for a meme watch.

Where's the chinkshit homage?

>>15765275
>>15765273

>>15765245
Once you go down that rabbit hole, you ain't coming back.

And no you don't need to be rich, there's thousands of great value shitters at under 100 bucks

>>15765245
do you ever get tired of your poor trolling attempts?

>>15765276
I find it interesting that racists are always financially insolvent!

>>15765245
My beaters, which I rotate

Steeldive Panerai Radiomir homage
Orient Kamasu
Pagani Design Yachtmaster homage
Casio World time

I'm not racist nor poor. I just don't like overpaying.

Is Panerai the /sprezz/ watch? I don't get the appeal

>Panerai
It's PHUCKING TERMINAL

>>15765294
They look manly cause they're thick and big as fuck without looking ridiculous

>>15765290
>>15765281

>>15765261
a 30yo boomer, yes
how? bad upbringing and continual bad decisions once fully formed brain and not enough time yet to pull myself out of said rut

>>15765265
thats not an avatar... it was just a pic for attention

>>15765278
but I hate shitters, kind of to, that was the entire predicament at hand..

>>15765280
not trolling, actual real life problem and legit questions

>>15765285
ill respect casio and orient more than those others here

>>15764262
Nothing wrong with quartz if you want a one and done. Dependable, precise, you can leave it anywhere and pick up any time, no worries when it falls from a shelf, gets dinged in a door jamb when moving stuff, or is near a source of magnetism, add good WR and you are golden. Even Sinn pulled their head out of their ass and realized that, from a practical standpoint, if you want a diver with an extreme depth rating, you go quartz (5000m WR on the movement, 12000m WR on the case).

I was eyeing the chronomaster myself, I love a quartz watch and with that amount of precision, holy shit. Yes the price is steep, and there are other ultra accurate watches (UHF, VHP) that cost half, but still have the mall look about them. Ultimately I found it too boring looking.

What pains me there are practically ZERO good looking radio-controlled solar watches. Now THOSE are never-have-to-take-off watches. Anadigi can wipe my ass.

How bout dis?

>>15765275
>>15765277
They should've just made a real display.

>>15765302
Why do you hate shitters? 99.9% of the world wears them

Of course you have mall shitters like Vincero and MVMT which are actual dogshit and their worth is around 10 dollars and I'm being generous, and good shitters like Orient with good movements, materials and designs for the price.

>>15765304
>>What pains me there are practically ZERO good looking radio-controlled solar watches.
Edifice looks decent, not quite my taste though. I don't get why they don't make them look like more "serious looking" military/tool watches, the styling is always somehow mall-like.

>>15765314
you are replying to an attenwhoring avatarfag shitposter
this same loser has been baiting about shitters and rolex and being poor for like a year now, you need to mentally filter half the posts in /wt/ and then it becomes usable

>>15765168
Plastic makes watchfags go ewww because plastic isn't a premium, exclusive material. Even though they love the lemania 5100 which also has plastic

>>15765314
maybe I don't hate them if they actuall feel decent, I have extreme autism when it comes to watches, and reason being I don't own any (well I have a terror casio in a box thats old as fuck now and still runs)
maybe I hate non steel ones, or even steel quartz ones that feel light, or the look, the feel, or the watch face, the casio mdv106 for example, looks pretty ok for a shitter, but those hands, that watch face, that bezel, that shitty non existent lume hmm
consider I have worn and felt omega divers, rolex sub/explorer/daytona, breitling idk

>>15765330
>this same loser has been baiting about shitters and rolex and being poor for like a year now
this is the second time posting itt for like this year or months at least, I was rambling about the new sub in some threads back a few days ago
you might have me misconstrued with someone else desu
imagine gatekeeping a turboautismo general like wt AND getting triggered by it..

>>15765285
The blue one tingles my benis, how is the build quality?

>>15765349
It's been said before but Steeldives are really impressive considering the price but the QC is a bit iffy so you might end up with a perfectly fine watch but you might end up with an unfinished edge here or there. It's better than Pagani QC but not as good as Heimdallr/San Martin QC from what I've heard anecdotally.
I've also heard that Steeldive and San Martin are the same company but Steeldive is like the B Team or using old machines or something.

>>15765330
You've been posting about a phantom shitposter for like 2 years dude, calm down. Is it that hard to understand that people find themselves in the same predicament given the shittiness of this "hobby" and the ridiculous amount of money you have to spend to have anything half-decent.

>>15765356
I should look around san martin for a radiomir. I think a fully polished one is a bling piece that goes with anything. Alternatively a Getat, but Im afraid of the sizing. I think they only make a 44mm, I would get their brushed Luminor as another one-and-done.

>>15765337
>I have extreme autism when it comes to watches, and reason being I don't own any
Just stop.
You don't have autism.
You don't have watches.
You don't belong here.
Just go.

https://youtu.be/SAoWECsFf0Y

>>15764729
>>15765168
There are several reasons people have been critical of the Powermatic 80 movements.

1) Entry level versions of the Powermatic 80 have plastic escape wheels and pallet forks that compromise the precision and long term durability of the movement.

2) In general, the Powermatic 80 movements are designed to be disposable and will normally be thrown away and replaced at service. Making a mechanical watch movement disposable really goes against the idea of mechanical watches as long lasting, serviceable machines.

3) By lowering the beat rate of Powermatic movements to 21,600 bph ETA gives away most of the accuracy and precision benefits of a kind of a free sprung balance to gain power reserve.

4) The balance and timing of the balance wheel are set at the factory by using an automated laser to burn off parts of the balance wheel. This is a quick and dirty solution that does not give you a truly poised balance wheel. Further, the presence of only two movable weights rather than four makes it very difficult to re-poise the balance wheel and limits the ability to adjust the timing rate.

5) The entire movement is designed to be manufactured in a much more heavily automated way than the 2824 or 2892. In some people's eyes, the reduction in skilled labour used in the manufacturing and assembly of the movement reduces its value.

I've generally been critical of the Powermatic movements, but I'm much less critical of the all metal ones and especially of the ones with the silicon hairspring than of the entry level ones with plastic parts in the driveline.

>>15765369
Stop posting him. The only reason you do is that several years ago there were no YT watch channels. Now there are loads and he doesn't even make the top 10 anymore. The old fat fuck is old news. Move on.

>>15765374
So the powermatic in the gentleman is fine?

>>15765380
Cunter

>>15765304
I assume that means you don't like the Casio Oceanus s100 or t200?

>>15765332
In the Lemania 5100 the plastic parts aren't in the driven gear train. There are plastic parts in the date mechanism and in plates (which also serve to add to the Lemania 5100s famous shock resistance).

Using plastic in non driveline parts can be fine, but using plastic parts in the running train of a mechanical watch necessarily compromises the precision and durability of the movement because plastic flexes too much and doesn't have enough wear resistance to withstand long-term use.

>>15765388
Not him, but I want a watch that looks like Sinn 140, or Breitling Avenger Blackbird, a tacticool preferably black watch that has a distinctly military/tool aesthetic but doesn't look like a plastic toy.

It's ridiculous that you can't find that + solar + atomic time anywhere, because those are the features that would basically make the ultimate tool watch. So obviously people would be buying that instead of buying the current square G-Shock which is why it doesn't exist.

Maybe I'm overestimating the significance of the mature tacticool edgelord market though, I assume G-Shocks are mostly bought by people with undeveloped brains (kids and soldiers) so it's weird that there's nothing for an enlightened SPEC-LARP-OPs individual such as myself.

>>15765395
You have never used a lathe nor a drill press
You have never worked on a car
You have never taken an engineering or science class past 1st year college
You have never even unclogged your drain

Take your stupid toys and "expertise" and shove them up your ass. Buying jewelry and reading an article doesn't mean you know anything.

>>15765397
Now I want an Edifice in a Sinn 140 case, dammit.

>>15765400
>>15765366
This nigga on FIRE.

>>15765400
I unclogged your mom's drain last night though, you should thank me for my service.

>>15765374
What about co-axials, then? What the story there?

>>15765400
Listen, if you don't know enough about the subject to articulate a counter argument, (You) could have just not replied at all.

https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/chronographs-are-stupid-and-a-waste-of-money.5259297/post-52706801

imagine being poor while this retard with shitty prison tattoos is this rich
how stupid are you lmfao

>>15765361
>phantom
not him but theres a guy constantly posting about rolex, how poor he is, playing the 'woe is me' game for a long time now

>ridiculous amount of money you have to spend to have anything half-decent.
blatantly totally untrue
luxury watches are just that, luxury
you do not need to spend big money to have decent stuff

>>15765424
Ok, tell me some watches that the general public will think favorably of that are cheap and also decent objectively.

>>15765426
>tell me some watches that the general public will think favorably of that are cheap
Daniel Wellington lol

>>15765426
You could wear a noob fake rolex and if you've got the attitude and candor everyone will think it's real. It's all you dude.

>>15765426
>general public will think of favourably
why do you need to impress clueless people?
just buy an orient/vostok and gtfo
fuck off

>>15765426
>the general public
who fucking cares
you are very obviously the poorfag shitposter

>>15765426
swatch
pebble
apple

>>15765428
>>15765430
>>15765431
>>15765432
>>15765435
So none that fit all the criteria, see what I'm talking about now?

>>15765413
To try and keep this short: The purpose of the co-axial escapement is to eliminate sliding forces (and therefore friction) in the transmission of power to and from the balance wheel. This allows you to eliminate lubrication from the escapement which then significantly extends service intervals and reduces the effect of the watch having its rate change over time between services as the lubricants in the escapements age and gum up over time.

Daniels implementation of the co-axial escapement uses gold for the co-axial gear teeth which gives them enough flexibility to be able to operate without any lubrication or cushioning, and he (and Smith) use an 18,000 bph beat rate (with lots of hand adjustment for accuracy).

When Omega tried to implement the idea at industrial scales there were some problems. First, because they made the co-axial gears in steel rather than gold, they had to add microscopic amounts of oil to the ends of certain microscopic co-axial gear teeth to act as impact cushioning or else the impacts of the movement operating would eventually damage the co-axial gear teeth. Secondly, this effect was worsened because Omega wanted to run their co-axial movements at higher beat rates than Daniels and Smith do.

The problem with this solution is that it makes Omega's co-axial movements dependent on very precise microscopic amounts of oil being put on those co-axial gear teeth, and that oil dries up over time, meaning that their co-axials eventually become prone to wearing the microscopic co-axial gear teeth unless they are serviced regularly. This basically throws away the whole advantage of a co-axial escapement in the first place and turns it into more of a marketing meme than a functional benefit.

And before anyone says "oh that was only the first gen 2500 series co-axials" current Omega co-axials still require oil on some co-axial gear teeth and so still ultimately have the same issue, if less severely than the 2500s did.

>>15765444
If you buy watches to impress anyone but yourself you're poor at heart and will always be a ghetto nigger.

>>15765444
a gshock or sarb already fits your criteria digital/mechanical
but you arent looking for actual suggestions you are just bitter

you will forever be poor and die poor because your pathetic defeatist attitude sucks

>>15765457
>>15765460
So basically you guys hate poor people and use it as an insult? Why?

>>15765468
There is a difference between being poor and thinking poor. You think poor.

>>15765468
because poor people are poor because of their stupid poor mindset and don't deserve to live
much less to have watches above mall shitters
you will never be allowed to set foot in a real AD

fuck off

we should have /pol/ or /int/ style forced IDs globally on 4chan and I guarantee you that the shitposter problem would vanish overnight because everyone would see that 90% of retarded posts are made by the same person over and over

>>15765478
This has mostly been true in /wt/ for several years at this point. The last couple of years /wt/ was on /g/ and the first year it was on /fa/ there was one shitposter who was on these threads 12+ hours a day and was often responsible for more than half the posts in every thread. Hell, he was largely responsible for getting /wt/ exiled to this shithole of a board by spam flooding so many threads that the /g/ mods eventually had enough of dealing with him and kicked the whole general off the board so they wouldn't have to deal with it.

>>15765478
Or you could just go back to plebbit.

>>15765468
there was one time I had 5 dollars in my bank account
that was 10 years ago and I have a decent living now. I work 2 jobs with no off days in the whole year and im saving up because the world owes me nothing. I might not be rich rich but I live honestly and i wear my cheap shitters proudly

i basically threw away my social life, worked my ass off and still do

you are just entitled and whining and i have no respect for you

>>15765495
Sounds like cuck philosophy to me. Let me guess, American?

>>15765502
no, and fuck off
you are lazy and you deserve to be poor
this is the last (You) you'll get

>>15765473
>>15765476
>>15765504
nice

>>15765349
So far it's excellent. Very impressive quality and the size is good (42mm case size), big but not HUEG. I'm a 17 cm (6 3/4") wristlet in that pic btw. No QC issues from what I've noticed. The leather strap is impressive but kinda stiff, and I also got an extra rubber strap and a strap tool for free. Also got free shipping. It cost me $100-110, don't remember exactly, was during a sale a week or two ago.

Sapphire slightly eomed crystal which isn't noted in the site, 200m WR, stainless steel, good lume, screw down crown, Seiko NH35. Excellent value buy overall.

I also wanted a blue one but I have so many watches in that color I wanted something else.

>>15765495
>I work 2 jobs with no off days in the whole year
>basically threw away my social life

Sounds like a fun little hell you created there. And for fucking what? A bit of bling and a bigger house and car loan. Find a balance before you burn yourself out, you fucking slave.
>>15765502
This

/fa/ has the worst watch threads, /k/ is way better

>>15765519
>/fa/ has the worst threads, /k/ is way better
Ftfy

>>15765522
they don't even have salmon jeans

tfw you remember your grandpa wearing a watch when you were a kid but he died when you were eight and you have no idea what happened to it.

>>15765525
Dig him up and see if it's on his wrist. Or just ask grandma or other relatives.

>>15765536
To make it worse I remember having a watchband his company gave him for years of service but I think my dad sold it. Fuck you dad hope hell is real. All I have left of my gramps is his truck.

>>15765540
I'd rather be left a truck than a watch

Thoughts on the Casio Edifice EFV-110D? Any alternatives for the same price(70-80 euros)?

>>15765540
Man, take it easy with the possesion of materialistic things meme. Hang up some fotos and stop being so angry about things, you chose to be angry about. You don't even know if he sold it 100%. Ask him and ask all other relatives about the watch he wore. If you can't find it, maybe you find the model and just get yourself one.

>>15765561
Don't get me wrong I love the truck, I'm just mad my dad was a dirt bag that sold his kids sentimental objects for cigarette money.

>>15765566
The Edifice watches are really good for their prices. I'd get that one as a beater shitter but too bad it's just mineral glas.

>>15765566
NO! Just buy it and fuck off, it's perfect, you have no other options besides killing yourself.
>>15765573
>it's just mineral glas
The fuck do you intend to do with it, you clumsy faggot? All my shitters have mineral glass, 4 even plastic. I didn't even scratch the plastic ones yet. Mineral is more resillient than you think, just don't fucking wear it while you poke your bitch hands in your shitty car and you'll be fine.

This would be a really awesome watch if the lime yellow was red or orange or something, it's just such a retarded color.

>>15765623
I'm a mechanic, watches get scratched and beaten up while working on machines. Yes, mineral has the advantage of absorbing impacts better but that's not an issue. Besides, there's no need to get offensive, 4chan or not.

>>15765625
yellow is one of the most visible colors along with green and orange. yellow may be even better than orange since it retains visibility longer in the dark and is easier to see in motion or something

>>15765645
Yeah but it doesn't go with anything unless you're fucking Big Bird.

>>15765640
>there's no need to get offensive

Of course, the rare mechanical faggot had to appear when i was about to bash mineral glass hating faggots. Good for you, 80% of the "muh sapphire" retards don't even need it.

>>15765657
>need
There goes that word again.

>>15765657
>he needs a mechanical watch

>>15765669
Checked. I already unfucked myself from the mechanical meme. Got only like three before i discovered how little i care about the movement. Quartz it is now.

>>15765669
>>15765676
the difference is resale value, but if you're just a poseur then that is of little importance to you.

>>15765525
sorry anon, I have my grandpas watch along with my watch

>>15765676
For me I kind of went sideways and said I don't give a shit about mechanical in shitters, but that I'd get a Nomos for the nice movement and a quartz GS for the shiny case someday. There are the independents that some other guys mentioned, but I don't see anyone selling them used or grey market for like $1000-$2000

>>15765683
>resale value

I like to own my shit. Just how poor are you, that you have to worry about that shit? Poorer than quartz shitter collector me?
I should really make a watch and jewelry leasing company, i think it might be quite the ideal thing for retards.

>>15765694
Where's that one edited rolex watch ad when you need it?

>>15765374
1)
Yeah thats pretty bad
2)
>designed to be disposible
Nope. Did you read some opinions of people on watch forums and believe it to be fact just because?
3)
Plenty of luxury brands with in-house movements have a low beat rate (<28880), doesn't mean they're less accurate, and certainly isn't the case for the powermatic. Also gains reduced wear and increased power reserve.
4)
>set by laser
>quick and dirty
What? If anything its more precise and requires more advanced tools and enginering to achieve.
>2 weights instead of 4
What is cost saving and optimization. These watches arent $10,000 like most other free sprung watches.
5)
Only watch snobs care about reduction in labour. The powermatic 80 is not made for snobs. It's made for normies who don't care what's in their watch. The powermatic 80 is actually way better than what they could even appreciate. Peole who buy them have no idea what free-sprung or any of the specs mean.

>>15765701
Haha, that thing was well done and on point. I can't even hate oon rolex or the customers. But it's always fascinating how much the average cuck is ready to tolerate. Quite the entertainment watching it all unfold.

is it normal for leather straps to stink after some time?

>>15765703
The vast majority of people who are into watches would rather have a 4hz sweep amd 42 hours of power reserve than 3hz amd 80 hours.

>>15765718
If you're a phat phucker it can happen

>>15765718
bruh you have no idea

- watchmaker

>>15765718
It's skin.

>>15765720
>people who are into watches
These are not the same as normies anon. You mean people who go on watch forums and shitpost.
imo, ETA doesn't get the credit it deserves because a lot of the improvements and innovations they do target $300 watches and not high-end, but these are actually the watches that sell the most yearly. Do you think >>15765374 buys $300 watches? lmao no. Precidrive watches are also underappreciate. You can now buy a thermo-compensated swiss movement watch for $180, unfortunately, this isn't going to impress anyone who actually wants to buy a $180 watch.

>>15765703
>>designed to be disposible
>Nope. Did you read some opinions of people on watch forums and believe it to be fact just because?
I believe it because a well known fully Swatch certified independent watchmaker (one of the very few independents certified to work on co-axials, incidentally) says that the technical information for the Tissot COSC Powermatic 80 indicates that it is replaced at service:

>https://omegaforums.net/threads/in-support-of-tissot-balland-powermatic-cosc.80258/
>The technical information I have states that the COSC Powermatic 80 movements are not serviced, which means they would be exchanged.

Do you have some source indicating that Swatch Group Service Centers service Powermatic 80 movements instead of replacing them? Because I have not seen anything that contradicts Archer on this.

>plenty of luxury brands with in-house movements have a low beat rate (<28880), doesn't mean they're less accurate,
Lower beat-rate escapements will, all else being equal, have more positional variation than higher beat-rate movements will, because of physics. High end watchmakers that use lower beat rates do more extensive adjustment of the escapement to compensate for that, while ETA do not do so on the Powermatic movements.

>What? If anything its more precise and requires more advanced tools and enginering to achieve.
No, it is not more precise because the laser is burning away material on the balance wheel after it is in the movement already when a bunch of confounding factors have already been introduced versus poising the balance wheel with just the hairspring attached or the balance wheel alone. This is then compounded by only having two adjustment weights which don't enable any fine tuning of the poise with the weights.

>Only watch snobs care about reduction in labour.
The original question was why the Powermatic 80 is criticized, not "is the Powermatic 80 a good enough movement for the mallwatch normies who buy them".

>>15765374
>designed to be disposable
Well its basically a 2824-2 with a different escapement so yeah, as disposable as a 2824-2 is.

WTF this is literally the perfect watch?11??

>Dodane
The fuck is this??
>6k euros
Why does some noname brand have a watch that costs like a Rolex and why are they the only one to have such good design and features all in one?

>>15764370
I'm glad there are anons on /wt/ that actually know these technical details

>>15765816
They also have a quartz shitter for THREE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED EUROS and they are definitely NOT Breitling.

>>15765812
No, it is much more disposable than the 2824-2 is because a lot of the skilled labour that goes into assembling, poising, adjusting and regulating the escapement has been automated away. One of ETA's primary goals with the powermatic family was to increase how much of the manufacturing and assembly work could be automated compared to the 2824-2, which is a pre-quartz era design from a period when it was normal to use lots of labour in mechanical movement production.

>>15764518
literal wrist fedora

>>15765824
Is this a thermocompensated movement at least?

>>15765451
But Omega O8xxx and O9xxx are known to have superb accuracy with little positional variation, while being decently reliable and robust. In other words, they are great movements.
Do you want to say that Swatch have thrown so much money and resources into the R&D that calibers under any technology would provide such results, or co-axial actually brought some benefits to Omega?

>>15765285
do you just request a sterile dial when you order or is there a button on the order form or how does that work?

>>15765855
Omega's modern co-axial movements have great accuracy because they are free sprung balance movements with photolithographically produced silicon hairsprings. The co-axial escapement's purpose is to extend service intervals and to theoretically reduce the change in rate that occurs over the years between services, not the kind of accuracy you test to determine a movement's mean daily variation in rate.

So long as Omega's implementation of the co-axial movement continues to require microscopically precise amounts of oil on certain co-axial gear teeth as cushioning, it will continue to be a meme because that oil is going to dry out over time just as the lubricants on a Swiss lever would, and because the amounts of oil and size of co-axial gear teeth are microscopic, the co-axial is at a relatively higher risk for damage from running dry than a traditional Swiss lever.

But you don't have to believe me, you can read about it straight from an independent watchmaker certified to service co-axial Omegas, who took his own pictures and explained the potential issues:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/to-co-axial-or-not-to-co-axial-or-is-it-a-case-of-back-to-the-future.27893/

Pic related is an example of co-axial tooth wear.

>>15765824
Damn, I checked this page
http://www.dodane1857.com/44-collection/type-23/quartz/
And the watch is at 1500eur

>>15765846
It says it has an ETA movement that I guess is a lower tier than the one used in the breitling, no backlight and no thermocompensated/chrono specs.

https://calibercorner.com/eta-caliber-988-333/

Here says the movement is no longer on the ETA catalog, so I don't know how that would affect servicing. But no backlight sucks a lot for a quarzt watch, one of the best thing of quartz watches is knowing the time when its dark.

>>15765816
It is magnitudes more accurate than a Patek it seems

>>15765895
>• Operating temperature: 0°C - 50°C,
???

>>15765898
I'd rather have a Patek.

https://www.dodane1857.com/collection/type-23/

They've got a pretty epic looking chrono too.

>>15764065
Nobody really buys a hublot, unless it is a pavement monkey and has a bunch of stones set in.

>>15764217
You can’t take the bracelet off of the Oceanus though

>>15765919
This lmao

>>15766137
seriously?

>My watches are worn properly under my sleeve, and match my semi-formal (conservative business, legal) attire perfectly. Those who recognise my Rolex (gold or white dial/SS, worn not on bracelet but on strap, exotic like lizard is best, being not only elegant and classic but also proper thus a perfect accoutrement to my suit proper) results in nothing but blue skies and smiles. When I meet with clients for the first time, during that initial meeting, I tend to turn the dial of my Rolex (or any other watch I happen to be wearing that day) around, though, so that the client(s) see that I am focussed on them and their issue, as opposed to the time (which billable hour ticks along, is expensive, and it is also billed not by the hour but in 8-minute increments) -AND- to give them the impression that I've all the time in the world to help them (as opposed to an impression that I've something better to do, as would be the case possibly if instead I focussed say on my watch ;).
I'm obviously from a less civilized and more honest world, but how do you not just rough up a faggot like this a bit, when he tries to tell you "his time is billed in 8 minute increments" to slap some perspective into him? Is this really how pathetic first worlders are, that they just bend over and get assfucked?

Is this a good toolset for adjusting links?

>>15766153
Yes

>>15766163
That guy is obviously a huge faggot but billing in 8 minute intervals, while asinine, is actually better for clients than billing hourly. If you’ve ever employed a lawyer, you know that they will constantly round up their billables. 10 minute phone call? Round up to an hour. 20 minutes spent finding and scanning documents? That’s another hour. If it’s a complicated case all this shit is pretty much impossible to verify and not all that significant in the total cost, but it happens constantly.

>>15766165
Looks like overkill for adjusting links

Question, I’m trying to resize a watch but the little pin just keeps going through and the band isn’t staying put, ive done this many times before but for some reason it’s not working this time what do

>>15766184
Post pics

>>15766184
Is it a pin and collar bracelet? Has the collar flown out somewhere

>>15766178
That's why you ask them such inane questions for a full hour that they spend the next full hour contemplating suicide.

>>15766192
It’s the pin, i took it out, put it back in and it just keeps falling through regardless of side. So it’s not exactly locking. And i was very careful at the start so it’s not like i made the whole any bigger

>>15766199
Are you sure the collar hasnt fallen out? Compare it to the other links to be sure

>>15764863
the strela looks way cooler

>>15765153
get this one instead

>>15766247
That unironically looks like a mall watch

>>15766251
More like some mall watches try to copy Breitling.

>>15766199
I got my first pin and collar bracelet recently and din’t realise the collar was there. When I resized, the pin did the same as yours, until I found the tiny little collar somewhere and put two and two together.

New
>>15766265
>>15766265
>>15766265

>>15766251
Yes, we know it's a Brietling already.

>>15765153
>breitling