/fa/ - Fashion

>>15547580
beat poets
issey miyake
architects

these things influence the average turtleneck purchase, you can deduce this for yourself

>>15547580
Living rent free inside your head

>>15547599
?

>>15547599
dubs of truth

>>15547605
He means you're upset for whatever reason about people wearing turtlenecks

Yes, yes, I wear turtlenecks myself. But I can’t be blamed for seeming pretentious, it comes with being so hip. I mean, do you call your girlfriend “man”? Read playboy magazine? Go to the cinema with your shades on? I didn’t think so. So yes, I wear Turtlenecks. Wanna know why? Because I’m hip

>>15547872
this. turtlenecks communicate a level of sophistication while also conveying that you dont follow the mainstream, you pave your own way in life

I don't even care, turtlenecks are just extra comfy and great to wear for a good half of the year.

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>>15548001
fuck this bitch

>>15547580
Only guys, girls look cute

>>15548205
they said turtlenecks and pretentious I couldn't not

Is 24 a good age to start wearing turtle necks?

>>15548222
any age is good

>>15547580
Bumping bc I'm actually curious as to how turtlenecks became associated with intellectuals and how that backfired into pretensiousness

>>15548311
Part of it is the academic counter-culture in late 60s Collège de France. A lot of the intellectuals of the time (Lacan, Barthes, the whole gang) would not wear the traditional suit and tie to separate themselves from the established institutions and instead went for other things like the turtleneck. That was their way of breaking the then quite strict etiquette and protocol that existed in universities.
Their students hopped on that as well and the turtleneck became part of the uniform fro the counter-culture.
That's at least as far as Europe is concerned.
The US had a different history with beatniks and the original hipster movements. A lot of the jazz peeps started wearing turtlenecks to set themselves apart from orchestral and big band musicians with clear dresscodes. See 60s Miles Davis and Anthony Braxton.
The turtleneck kinda survived as a sign of this figure of the free thinker as opposed to the traditional academic in an antiquated bow tie or "the man" in his strict suit and tie.
That's why it's also being used by PR obsessed gurus of all sorts. See the hackmaster Steve Jobs himself. As the figure of the 60s and 70s free thinker disappeared or worse yet, became part of the establishment, the turtleneck lost its value as a less formal alternative to the suit and tie. Especially since academia itself has lost most of its formal protocol, there is no longer much meaning in wearing something like a turtleneck to show you're not an old, dusty out of touch lesson-giver.

I like it because it obscures my ridiculously long and thin neck

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>>15548375
ty for good post

>>15548375
based fashion historian

>>15548375
>Lacan
>counter culture

>>15547890
This.
Just because pretentious people wear turtlenecks, it doesn't make turtlenecks themselves pretentious.
I just like them because I think they look cool and are very comfy.

They are only pretentious if they don’t live up to their claims of superiority. If they indeed have talents in art, poetry, charm, the gift of gap or intellectualism it’s hard to claim they are pretentious, right?

>>15548886
>counter culture is only retarded commies and maoists
the whole structuralist movement was counter culture in relation to the old academia

>>15548375
was waiting for to post foucalt kek

Give some recs. for turtlenecks ~$100.

>>15548886
At the time he absolutely was.
He has been a major influence on a lot of the younger people of that era because he was such a rupture from the established academic thinkers of the time.
Now though, much like his peers and the whole french structuralist gang, their ideas have become the tired norm.

post some turtleneck inspo
here's Herbie Hancock being the cool cat he was

George Perec, great writer and notorious turtleneck wearer.

>>15547872

Human frog Dizzy Gillespie was one of the main proponents of no longer wearing full suits when playing in smaller bands.

>>15548375
Good post

>>15547580
because you think they're better than you

>>15548375
cool post ty for info

>>15547580
Honestly I think it depends on the shape and pattern of the turtleneck.
the thinner plainer patterned ones give off the now classic Art professor aesthetic.
While the bulkier more traditionally patterned styled jumpers give the more Farmer/fisherman look more-so if you have ever lived in colder coastal regions.

>>15548375
post one picture of lacan or barthes with a turtleneck i dare you

>>15547580
Because techno interests them?

>>15549233
Lacan was more of a bow tie guy though in that period he would sometimes also go for scarves or band collars and Barthes made a point of not closing his shirt collar but at the end of the day, the result was the same : it wasn't a formal suit and tie. That was the point.
The reason the turtleneck is the one that took off is that it was cheaper than a scarf or a shirt and sport jacket so the students adopted it.

I wish I was turtly enough for the turtleneck club

farty bump

I wear it when temps go below -10 celcius or something. Last winter was so mild I didn't even touch it

>>15547580
Turtlenecks are part of the SEX attire in Europe, they've been worn by normies for at least three seasons now, this board is seriously lagging a couple years behind even NPCs

>>15552860
shut up

>>15548886
Based
>existentialisme
>pas l'allié du système in fine

>>15553296
shut off

is mostly the cunts who are into arts or shit electronic music that ruined it.
Growing up and seeing Moore wear one as Bond made me fall in love with them, but now, seeing the amount of asshole cunts who wear made me despise them

>>15553373
Hey, Lacan was once a rupture from the establishment.
If you want a trueblood bootlicker, Sartre is your man.

>>15548375
What are some other pieces that a 60s French intellectual would wear?

>>15553522
Sport jackets with matching flatcap, less formal than the dark/grey jacket + waistcoat + hat combo
Jackets with one or two buttons, never three and never ever double-breasted.
Bow ties, shorter ties, ribbons or nothing on your collar at all.
Lots of wool.
Plaid shirts.

>>15553296
>/fa/ggot hopping on a trend that is already dead

>>15547580
I just bought a turtleneck and a myriad of notoriously difficult books to put in my book display that I will never read. Perception is reality.