/fa/ - Fashion

I am really bad at "value for money" valuations, are those Vario watches good value? They seem like something interesting and different.

https://vario.sg/collections/empire-watch-automatic/products/empire-black-tuxedo-lume-automatic-dress-watch

>>15533803
It's the SARX035, as discussed last thread. It's a Jap market offering so you need to get it through a distributor who exports or otherwise has their hands on it. They are around and available.

Blue

>>15533768
Nice thanks, I've just ordered one off of Amazon for £4 so I'll just wait until that comes. With the conditioner, I've got this for some boots - would that work even though is just cheap leather, and how often should I be conditioning? thanks

>>15533806
reasonable value for a microbrand.
movement is NH38A, which is a dateless dayless variant of the usually used NH35/36

38mm size is a plus, sapphire is a plus, unique design is a plus.
generally for a NH movement, anything up to $450 is "reasonable". $250 is the sweet spot, but very few microbrands will have it at this price. For AE brands you can get NH35 for $100, though brands with more clout/quality like san martin prices theirs at the forementioned ~$250.

Post fliggers

>>15533806
>>15533822
also, its good that they went to the extra trouble to source nh38, the appropriate movement for a windowless dial. I've seen AE brands just use their nh35 on stock when the dial design has no date window. Which is kind of annoying because there *is* a date wheel behind the dial, you just dont see it, and you can feel the crown click when you adjust the time. Triggers my autism.

>>15533827
I'll just post the ugliest "flieger"

>>15533811
What band is that ? Its giving me ideas of what I want to wear it with

>>15533827
Thoughts on this?

>>15533812
yes, well if its real leather. If not eh, it wouldnt hurt.
very thinly, and just once every couple of months or so.

How are Limes watches? I’m thinking of getting one of the Pharos.

>>15533846
thanks. It says "genuine leather" but that's probably some bare minimum standard theyve met

>>15533842
It's possibly a Eulit Palma but it looks a little beaten up which might mean it's an inferior version by a different company.

>>15533843
Flieger meets dress. If it's 40mm or under I like it. If it's >40mm then it needs less dress influence. My worthless .02 anyway.

>>15533852
genuine leather is the lowest grade of actual leather.
its a very thin layer of leather, with padding made of other materials in between. Its more usable than faux leather. Wont last long especially at the buckle where you bend to put it on and off everytime

>>15533843
IWC are ripoff artists

>>15533811
>adequate spacing between 31 and 1
this is too rare to see

Best G-Shock under $100?

>>15533852
>>15533866
>its a very thin layer of leather,
Not even. It could just be a composite mash of bits and bobs of leftover leather that's stamped with a pattern.
It's "leather" alright, just not one piece.
It's the chicken mcnugget of leather.

>>15533880
Gshock square

>>15533880
DW5600E old standby, hands down.

>>15533887
>>15533888
>adjust button may as well not exist

>>15533843
IWC has fallen so fucking far it's not even funny.
Not talking specifically about this watch but their entire lineup. Holy shit their designer must've died or something or they've just taken a cue from the rolex school of redesign, aka the "just fuck my shit right up senpai" school of redesigning classics.
Problem is every fuccboi and his sugardaddy isn't salivating at the chance to buy an iwc as much as they want the next cock. Rolex is like the ultimate cock to these people.
IWC might as well be old lady vagina.

>>15533842
>>15533856
It's a Palma, eulit, brand new.

Let's say I wanted a vintage manual dress watch around €300-400, like a Zenith, what movements should I look for?
Are there any other good brands with similar watches in that range on ebay?

>>15533880
That's a really nice floor.

>>15533880
It used to be the 5610 but that's up around $120 now.
Now it's probably the older mudman 9000 series

>Hodinkee users think 13mm is too thick for a sports watch

Should they all be executed?

>>15533839
>555555555
What the fuck where they thinking? Rolex is very aware of it's brand image, they couldn't have let an intern design this. Most importantly, why is it still not discontinued? Just give the air nig dauphine hands and triangular indecies and call it a day

>>15533968
13mm IS too thick.

>>15533968
>Hodinkee users
Stopped caring there. That being said 13mm is thicc but entirely within reason for a sporty or tooly watch. I draw the line getting up towards 15mm and 16mm though.

>>15533892
>DW5600E old standby
thought mine was faulty when i got it lol

My favorite number is 5, which watch should i buy?

>>15533998
A Seiko...5?

>>15533998
Rolex Air King

>>15533998
Five identical Invictas.

>>15533998
The g-shock 5000-1jf
The only real g-shock square you can buy these days

>>15534002
Perfect! How many pm cellinis do i need to buy before the AD will let me buy the air kang?

>>15533880
>>15533966
Good choice, that or DW5900

>>15533985

Invicta is actually the most based watch company, fully custom designs at rock bottom prices, nh-35 watches with custom rotors going for $100 or less. Bracelets that would cost $400 by themselves from any other watch brand. Huge variety of styles that their customers love. Watches that actually make use of the high end ronda quartz movements with lots of complications. They aren't afraid to try ANY design, no concern for tradition or any pf that bullshit. They have a tourbillion watch listed for $399 on their website right now.
They have the absolute best parts availability in the industry at Invictawatchbands.com they will sell you every part from their watches from hands to dials to crowns and stems. If they grabbed a designer to make meme watches for the seiko reddit crowd they would be the absolute kings of the industry.
Pic related a 200m wr mecaquartz chronograph for $89

>>15533880
>>15533953
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zZjSMED0IE

>>15534040
Is this pasta, /wt/? It smells like pasta. Invicta's shit falls apart. That's disregarding the hideous designs.

>>15533968
13mm is too thick. There is really no excuse for anything to be thicker than 12mm at this point, 11 is the sweet spot.
Thank the cheap ETA movements for being thick as fuck and ruining thousands of case profiles.

>>15534057
AKA 3/4 of Hamilton's offerings. How the FUCK are you going to make an aviation chrono 16mm fucking thick?

>>15534060
>How the FUCK are you going to make an aviation chrono 16mm fucking thick?
Thanks ETA!

>>15534057
>13mm is too thick
:-)

Are Mido chronographs worth a damn? Know next to nothing about the brand. Looks decent on paper given the relatively low cost for an auto chrono.

>>15533998
Seiko SARX055

>13mm is too thick

This is what I imagine someone who says that looks like

>>15534085
Mido is on the Swatch group ladder, maybe a notch above Hamilton, but below Rado and Longines, though they're known more for dress watches like the Baroncelli and churning out a lot of the Swiss chronometers Omega isn't making. Still, can't really go wrong with them, especially if the chronograph is a Valjoux 7750 based design, which it probably is at their price point.

>>15534093
desTINY

My cagy is 17mm and it doesn't look too thick to me.

>>15534110
It looks absurd.

>>15534096
where does certina and tissot stand

>>15534112
>It looks absurd
ly good

>>15534096
Sweet, thanks. Almost jumped on a speedy but the redd*t soifaggotry is repulsive and almost all but turns me off of an otherwise great watch. Will give Mido further consideration.

>>15534115
Well played, bubble wrist.

>>15533985
>>15533986
>>15534057
>>15534060
>>15534081

The fun thing is, there is zero good reasons to make them this fat. Older watches had these tine, super simple and small movements. I wonder how the ETA kikes fucked it all up and made their movements so fat. The damn rotor isn't that thick. And if they can't design a thin automatic, maybe move back to handwind? Fuck the whole industry in general for abandoning simple designs and small proportions.

>>15533839
I kinda want one. I like the way the logo looks and I think in 5-10 years this will be THE underdog Rolex to have.
Watch&Learn or Hodinkee will put out weekly articles "Why didn't we realise that this is the perfect Rolex earlier?" and "5 reasons why a used Air King is the hottest summer sports watch of 2025".

>>15534126
In 5-10 years, even the chinkoid and desert scum, that inflates the prices will have woken up to the waitlist fuckery and moved on.
You are a very simple man, that's why the artificial scarcity drives your desire to own this boring piece of shit.
Hodinkee deserves to be hung from a tree and so do their fans.

>>15534147
Nothing wrong with being a simple man, I still will never buy this watch simply because the Datejust exists. DJ36 on an Oyster shits on this thing, I just don't think it deserves that much hate.

>>15534105
Are retards actually buying or people are just listing them?

>>15533843
>flieger watches in ww2 and given to he-111 or ju-88 navigators
>'spitfire' added to the dial
Is this a joke

>>15534168
I don't know, I didn't watch the clip.

>>15534147
whqt the absolute FUCK is a TRAVEL CLOCK in the 21st century. Can you imagine the levels of s.o.y you would need to have to carry a trinket like this in your luggage. Like
>omg my maldives vacation just isnt the same without my hindonkee clock

and it still looks cheaply made as fuck

>>15534177
>travel clock
Wait what? So a cell phone and a wrist watch is just not enough to tell the time now?

>>15534177
I like using a traveling clock because I don't trust my smartphone alarm. This thing however must be some kind of joke. This looks like it feels like a $50 pos. Why would you ever spend money on that when for less than 0.5% of the price you could get the classic Braun travel clock which may not be >muh mechanical but is still so much better than this plastic hunk of shit.
Does it even have an alarm funktion? I don't think so, in which case I have to ask why the fuck wouldn't you just use your wristwatch? Or even better get a wristwatch that has dual timezones or has a built in alarm.

>>15534185
its a ancient device like a pocket watch
when steam engines were the mode of transportation and your room did not have a clock

useless now as even the cheapest motel room has a clock

>>15534188
there are alarm apps for your phone that make it ring at the maximum of phone volume and they will never go off unless you solve a series of math problems or type in a bunch of complicated captchas, you can make it as hard as you want

>>15534198
I don't trust my phone as in what if it simply doesn't go off again.
If it goes off I'm awake no problem. Remember when the first few generations of iphone were out? I had one (2nd or 3rd gen) and they would routinely not ring or ring an hour late when the daylight savings time ended or started. Software can fuck up and an analog backup makes for a nice ease of mind.

>>15534208
heh, i never bought an iphone..
but good point i guess

>You stand there, sipping your fair trade, ethnically sourced coffe with söy creamer
>you feel truly blessed that you were allowed to use your father inheritance to buy this clock
>you glance at the time
>only 2 hours left until tyrone arrives, you feel the dick cage tightening against your 400$, fair trade, bio linen pants
>your hear your fat, jewish wife scream from upstair in a horny, fewerish voice, more pig like than human
>HODINKEEEEEE
>truly blessed

>>15534177
>looks cheaply made as fuck
How dare you? It's 5900$, limited edition. And wrapped in goat leather. That's pure quality!
>>15534188
I would spend double on that great travel clock, if i could. Come on, the boys at the söy bar would be jelly as fuck.

>>15533866
>>15533881
yeah I thought as much. This will just be a temporary fix until I can find something high quality that I really like

>>15534177
Its quite literally a carbon copy of the JLC 8 giorno clock. Someone called them out on it in the comments.

>>15534147
Hodinkee provides some really neat material from time to time. But when they shill, its unbearably bad. Which, I understand, its good for business. But, I think its good to still call out brands that you work with with good criticism.

>>15534247
>provides some really neat material from time to time

They absolutely suck and this stuff is made to milk their retarded fanbase. They also drive up prices with their shitty blog. Fuck them.

>>15534231
From the launch blog post of this thing:
>These clocks were functional objets d'art, capable of telling the time and acting as an aide-mémoire for weary travelers. They have also become a source of fascination among the HODINKEE team, which is why, after stumbling upon a veritable stockpile of untouched vintage movements during a trip abroad a few years ago, we knew we had to take the opportunity to share them with the world.
>After years of development and a design process involving multiple iterations and prototypes, we're proud to introduce the HODINKEE Eight-Day Travel Clock

>>15534147
I don't have anything against the concept of a nice travel clock, but it's just so ugly and plain.
Those feeble little hands, that flat and featureless dial with the chalkline numbering and lettering, the cheap dashboard covering.

>>15534275
Me neither. Travel clocks can be fun if you like them. It's specifically cuckinkee that i dislike.

>>15534147
How the hell do they try and justify the price of this thing? Does it have some well finished movement that you can't see? Or what? 'Cause the dial and hands look pretty cheap to be honest.

>>15534265
>objets d'art
>an aide-mémoire

Hahaha. At this point they are mocking the buyers.
Several years of dev.... yeah, i could develop it in 2 weeks.

>>15534294
They are cheap. There is no justification. Their fans are retarded and have too much money and no taste. Perfect combo.

>>15534296
You just don't appreciate a chef d'Œuvre.

>>15534301
I mean I get it's for suckers, but it just looks like it should cost at most (and this is really stretchin' it) like $200. I can't even find any pictures of the movement.

>>15534306
>I can't even find any pictures of the movement
Which is hilarious, as it was/is one of their large marketing points they make.

If there are, it would reveal the real cost of manufacturing. Which is a huge no-no in the industry.

>>15534306
Yep, that thing is cheap crap with a very unoriginal design. They will keep the movement secret or else the haters will laugh even more at them. They just bought some old, cheap movements form 40 years ago, i bet, and stuffed them into this thing.
Found some speculation about it but
>50$ for a jlc travel clock
That says all, how cheap hodinkee actually is.

https://wristocracy.com/the-hodinkee-travel-clock-limited-edition-fail/

https://thetruthaboutwatches.com/2020/07/hodinkee-travel-clock-sucks/

>>15534318
There was no manufacturing cost. They were refurbished unused "vintage" movements. That was actually a positive in their marketing.

>>15534339
50$ might be a lie but i found some uglier jlc for about 150€ and this thing with wood and good design, vintage, from JLC for 500€.
https://www.ebay.de/i/201809287732

>>15533893
Well said, lol.

Mido makes a 34mm ladies watch with a chronometer certificate
It's not ugly, swatch group is nice about making one ladies watch from each series that doesn't have shit diamonds or mother of pearl, they kind of throw a bone to the wristlets.
It's boring but works, decent dial since it's actually the right size for that dial design
Find it on jomashop for $600
Sold out
Everyone else selling it has it at $1200 msrp
Lol it was worth a shot

>>15534360
It's so boring, i couldn't care less about any certification. Loads of great looking, vintage watches, with sizes that fit the human wrist can be had for way less money. The swatch group can eat a dick.
>even thinking about spending 600$ for it

>>15534339
Going by those articles, the pontifa movements in it aren't even that old. Pic related is apparently what it has (just with an alarm function).

>>15534382
Oh wow, that looks worse than any chinese movements i have ever seen.
Yeah, i also read that it's not a vintage movement. People should have boycotted hodinkee for even thinking that their readers are THIS retarded.
Any info on the people behind hodinkee? Who owns it, maybe we can understand it better then.

>>15534147
Everyone shitting on them for this, but they instantly sold out and hodinkiee made bank off them. Pretty based cashgrab imo.

Nevermind, found it myself.
Hodinkee CEO Benjamin (((Clymer)))
He is basically laughing into the goys face with this travel clock scam. And they deserve every bit of it.
>>15534439
Absolutely based. If i could milk retards with too much money, i would.

best 3 watch collection <5k cumulatively?

>>15534452
3 identical hodinkee travel clocks

>>15534452
Sinn 103
Tudor Black Bay 36 (If possible upgrade to the BB58 in blue)
Seiko Arnie

>>15533806
I like the 1940's styling and the bicolor dial but I'm not sure about the value as long as you can get a non-terrible looking swiss made fashion shitter with an eta-2824 for $140: https://www.jomashop.com/calvin-klein-infinite-watch-k5s341cz.html

>>15534443
I hate his face desu

ON A SIDE NOTE.

DOES /WT/ ALREADY OWN THEIR OWN BIG WHITE COCK CHRONOGRAPH??????

>>15534056
I like some of their designs, the less garish ones. Are they really that bad? Did I almost fall for the meme?

>>15534110
Wtf?

What are some watches with grey matte dials?

>>15534495
king seiko 5625-7110

>>15534500
in real life they are more gray than blue

>>15534495

>>15534495
Yema Flygraf M2.

I’m still worried about that guy with the tumor on his arm, buddies

>>15534684
who

>>15534684
Me too

Is there any watch feature that's more declasse than a see through case back? Might as well just put prole on the dial.

>>15534736
depends on the movement anon.
i think it's normal to want one since most people still wear quartz, even if it's an ugly looking 7s movement

>>15534688

>>15513533

>>15534762
>depends on the movement anon.
No
>i think it's normal to want one
Normal for proles to want one

>$40,000 Rolex

Do people actually spend that much on a fucking Rolex?

Christ just get a VC, ALS, or Patek at this point.

>>15534773
you keep saying proles like it's a bad thing

>>15534775
Getting a gold sub is retarded, if you want precious metals you are supposed to buy a yachtmaster

>>15534776
Being proud of being poor and having no taste are both bad things.

richfags btfo

Pela-GOS

>>15534736
I like to watch

Thoughts on pic related? Just over a thousand bucks.

>>15534818
Literally, the opposite of taste.

>>15534830
Niggers tongue my anus/10

>>15534776
the vascheron I posted is not prole. It's upper class.
you keep labelling stuff that rich people dig as 'poor', you sound like an insufferable ivy league fuckwit who can't change the washers on his sink but everyone else is dumb.
also prole doesn't = poor, that's the unemployed.

>>15534856
interesting flex lol

>>15534856
You have to go back.

>>15534830
not bad, not sure if I love or hate that they use IV instead of the traditional IIII. But Frederique Constant is one of those brands where the watch loses 30% of its value as soon as you open the box. I'd recommend looking at the grey market for a deal if you like that watch. Definitely don't pay retail.

>>15534856
>living in Commiefornia with their 13% state income tax

>>15534856
Too bad that Rolex is fake or you could sell it and live for a few months

where can i find a replica rolex for cheap?

>>15534848
>also prole doesn't = poor
Literally definitionally wrong

lugs are the most important part of a watches aesthetic and you cannot refute

>>15534885
For me the hour hand is most important thing in a watch

>>15534880

>>15534856
Literally from redd*t. Leave their cancer there.

>>15534890
why do watch companies not use interesting hands anymore

>>15534869
Are they a good reliable brand? Depreciation isn't a concern as I don't sell my watches, the unloved ones end up in a drawer somewhere.

>>15534903
25 is the superior handset, prove me wrong

Just copped this reskinned quartz Seiko shitter, any thoughts? Personally I love the watch but hate the band

>>15534928

>>15534938
inb4 hairy wristlet comments

>>15534928
29

>>15534265
>objets d'art
>aide-mémoire

>everything is fancier if we say it in french

>>15534964
Touche

Are tudors just for people who want but cant actually afford a Rolex or is there something special appeal about them that justifies purchasing them over another lower end luxury watch

After sitting for years with dead batteries I got my dads old watches running again.

>>15534985
Buy any watch at that tier and it says too poor for a rolex. Tudor is just more in your face about it because you're buying an affordable option from the same company. At least with other brands you might have an excuse of preference.

Tudor have been trying to market hard the idea that you'd want to buy a tudor over a rolex but the stigma still stands.

>>15534885
at least as important as the dial and case shape

>>15535071

>>15533839
It’s so ugly that it’s cool. I want one.

>>15535071
.

>>15535001
>from the same company.
they are different companies though. Entirely different companies owned by the same entity.
You wouldnt say that someone is "too poor for an omega" when you see them wear a tissot/longines or whatever

>>15534684
its naht a toomah, its just some egg or parasite.

>>15534986
Based watches from a probably based man.

>>15534903
w2c a watch with 28 hands? or 17? or 36?

>>15535156
You won't find the ornate ones on any wristwatch; those hands were found on 19th century pocket watched.

>>15535178
cringe
at least czapek scratches my itch for fleur de lis hands

>>15535180
Can anyone explain the bottom-right subdial?
Is it a day of the week dial in terms of number and name of the day? if so, did they happen to take the photo right when the hands aligned, because they should be going in opposite directions?

>>15535233
>>15535180
ya that is...weird

for example MAR is mardi which is tuesday. But then the other side will point to 5, not 2 or even 3 (if you count start of week as sunday)

>>15535258
after looking it up, it appears the right side of the subdial is the power indicator and the left side is day of the week. however, it's just one hand that rotates.
so it seems your power level is tied with the day of the week, meaning you fully wind it on sunday and it dies on saturday? this seems pretty retarded not gonna lie
the review I read specifically mentioned having to avoid winding or moving the crown.

>>15535276
>meaning you fully wind it on sunday and it dies on saturday? this seems pretty retarded not gonna lie
>the review I read specifically mentioned having to avoid winding or moving the crown.

>having to ration the winding because the movement cant handle it
this will trigger my OCD to no end. I always wind my watches to near full every day. Having the power remaining on display would make it worse.

>>15535282
yeah not gonna lie I really love the aesthetics but this kills it for me
there's an alternative version that doesn't have the days of the week and instead just has a day indicator on one side and a power indicator on the other, so you technically can use it as a fancy date indicator. and it's in steel so it's cheaper

>>15535289
hmm
come to think of it, a watch that can hold an entire weeks worth of power is kinda impressive. 24x7 = 168hrs. That would have to be a massive thicc af mainspring. I wonder what it does to wear and tear and accuracy over the week.

>>15535292
>7 days is kind of impressive
anon, I...
(this one is 744 hours or 31 days)

>>15535315
wtf lol
and some watches like the new prospex alpinists make a commotion from upgrading from 50hr to 80hr
it would actually be scary to wear that fully wound. Would the spring literally explode in your face and puncture your skull if you open up the barrel? is it like 10 metres long? Imagine trying to coil it back into the barrel after a service. I cant think of the kind of person this would be ideal for, but its probably done as a giant watchmaking flex.

>>15534903
Because nearly all watch manufacturers outsource the production of hands.

Lange, Patek, Vacheron, Rolex, AP, ...
Even Dufour.

And these hands are all cheaply made:
>stamped in a simplistic shape
>dozens of them are stuck to a surface
>a buffing wheel is run over the lot of them until they're kind of shiny
>the end

That's why the hands even on extremely expensive watches look like pic related.

>>15535335
two mainsprings that are almost 2m long each.
it has to be wound with a key and retails at around $100k usd. it's definitely a "watch enthusiast flex watch"

>Day 54 of waiting for my Neptune to arrive (in the country, arriving Soon™)

>>15534903
I like my arrow hands :)

>>15535339
cant they flip it over and do the other side too?
how expensive it is to have a few minimal wage monkeys roughly buff out each hand? that edge is disgusting

>>15535354
LMFAO this is what I get by using an online video compressor 5 times to get the file size down from 50mb
feel free to point and laugh

>>15534903
>>15535156
>>15535178
Lang & Heyne use those kinds of hands, and they're minutely finished, see pic.

They're one of the rare exceptions to this rule: >>15535339

>>15535360
what's a watch model with any of these hands though

>>15535355
You really have to wonder why.
Just the idea of cost-cutting on a watch worth 100 grand is disgusting enough, but the hands are what you're always looking at.
It's like they're all trying their best to be incompetent.

>>15535362
A bunch of Lang&Heyne models have those hands as options.
Like this one: https://www.lang-und-heyne.de/en/models/friedrich-august-i/

Guys what do you think about the Glycine Combat Sub? What are some field watches similar to that (but maybe better)?

>>15535095
>Rolex and Tudor are like different companies under the swatch group.
Really bad comparison, my man. For a start, a major difference is that Tudor was specifically created by Rolex to be a separate entity in order to offer affordable watches without tarnishing the Rolex image of luxury.

Your comparison with swatch is really weak as in their case it was a case of buying up various separate companies with no ties to each other.

>>15535372
It's not a bad watch if you don't mine buying from Invicta in Glycine's clothing. The only watch you should be considering from them is the Airman purist, and even then it should be for just buying a fairly decent GMT in a price bracket where a good one is pretty scarce.

>>15535376
>>15535373
tl;dr it's "shit" because of some brand bullshit that no one cares about, just buy a Rolex

>>15535372
extremely high value for money, as you are essentially getting an ETA movement for ~$500. This is practically unheard of from any major or even microbrand, and on AE-brands-tier kind of value. Very very attractive. And you even get sapphire.

>>15534986
Give me that Octopussy Seiko.

>>15535339
I know that Rolex outsources dials (to their eternal frustration because the company won't be bought out by them lol) but wasn't aware about the hands. Same with patek. Wtf are they even making in their facilities? Lange okay I get it; they're just a movement maker and everything else comes from outside.
I don't want to be a faggot weeaboo but seiko's unmatched vertical integration, down to the damn lubrication oils and other shit you wouldn't even think about, just looks more and more impressive and appealing to me. They do the hand stamp thing too, but at least they have finished both sides to that excruciatingly sharp edge. Or at least they did. There's signs here and there that they might be slipping compared with the past.
I very very nearly picked up the gold snowflake a few days ago when a jap department store near me went out of business. Damn fantastic price. But SD does nothing for me so I stayed my hand.

>>15535403
>But SD does nothing for me
but why doe
look at that S W E E P
look at that G L I D E
you dont like it?

>>15535403
>They do the hand stamp thing too
Oh the stamping itself isn't the problem, it's the stamping marks they just leave on the sides that are the problem.

>>15535353
Your time will come soon, neptune-friend. I unpackaged mine just as the mid afternoon sun streamed through the window. The orange dial glowed oh so magnificently.

>>15535125
Thanks anon I think my dad is pretty based.
>>15535388
No way, that's my watch to inherent.

Junghans Max Bill VS Nomos

Which one?

>>15535432
>2 entirely different price brackets
junghans is less """prestigious""" (for what little its worth) but it doesnt suffer from superlong lugs like nomos watches do

>>15534832
>has never seen a cute girl with it on

>>15535404
I've thought long and hard about SD.
However I keep coming back to the same conclusion that I just cannot shake: I am less impressed the watch when an electric solution is implemented compared with a watch that is purely mechanical. Its interesting, to be sure. But when it comes down to it I am more impressed and interested by a bunch miniature gears and springs and hammers that are somehow able to keep time within say 1 to 2s a day. It's something tangible. You can see the cause and effect of each part as one thing strikes another and so forth.

Electromagnetism doesn't evoke the same feeling. It's invisible. Intangible. Abstract. Hence why Gears, springs, coils of wire and what amounts to mini computer in the sterile and lifeless IC, isn't as interesting. It feels kinda like cheating. It's using refined 20th/21st century tech in a device where other examples do "just fine" for me with refined 19th century tech. I'd rather just cut out the mechanical middleman, which is what those parts are reduced to since they play no part in the actual telling of time, and just buy a pure, high end quartz watch. True refinement of 20th century tech. If you're going to use electronics to regulate the accuracy, just get pure quartz, or even the ultimate refinement of that: radio sync. The mechanical part seems mostly like a redundant afterthoughtnin a SD.
I looked at the quartz ones in the store too, but the only GS model of interest's seconds hand was off the mark.

>>15535440
Price isn't a factor in this decision. I love the design of the Max Bill and respect it as the original. There's nothing I don't like about it. Nomos also has great design and, like you said, is more prestigious but I don't really care about that. I had my mind made up but then started looking at Nomos today.

>>15535461
Lastly, there's the issue of the solder used in the OC that's been brought up here a few times. Seiko was the first watch brand to declare an adherence to the EU's idiotic policy on lead solder. Even swatch, after trying the lead free crap out ended up complaining and begging for an exemption because they saw the ultimate, adverse, outcome. I don't know what the situation is today. But if there's even the chance that there's a component inside a watch that's pretty much sure to die within the next 15 to 20 years, that bothers me. It's at odds with the timeless image I have of a luxury timepiece.

Sure cogs and springs can and do wear out and may eventually have to be changed, but at least a watchmaker can potentially do that in the future. Cleaning up or replacing a fucked IC is another matter. It's all theoretical of course, as seiko's probably still going to be around to repair when the trisynchro thing goes pair shaped, but the notion of the "luxury watch" deals with such intangibles. And having something that is known for sure to fail in time doesn't feel as luxurious to me compared with time proven mechanical parts. It bothers me perhaps more than it should. Realistically it's a silky concern. It's not like I plan on keeping all of my sundry possessions forever. But watches are a long game item. My grandfather's pocketwatch from the 20s can still be used today. Same with my father's watch. The notion of a watch that's potentially been, however reluctantly by the maker, injected by the modern day disease of planned obselecence annoys me. Especially since it's magnificent in every other aspect.

I'd like a GS higheat for sure. The store had one gmt left that wasn't of interest.

>>15535432
Nomos if you care about watch movements otherwise pick which ever design(s) you like from either.

>>15535440
Stop bitching about the lugs. They look fine on the wrist.

>>15535516
>They look fine on the wrist.

>>15535516
>They look fine on the wrist.
Most of the wrists I see it on online look bad with them though. It's like wristlet soibois are more attracted to nomos for some reason.
>homos
indeed.

>>15535477
Looking quickly I couldn't find any good info on the poor aging of lead free solder that I remember you've complained about before. Do you have any sources or are you just needlessly autistic about this one little pet peeve like so many people here are?

>>15535519
Looks good to me. It's exaggerated in top-down shots because the lugs curve down a lot so fit well on the wrist.

>>15535519
>12
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>>15535524
Needless autism, obviously.
There are some links I've saved on my home comp about electricians bitching about leadfree solder, and how they worry for all electronic devices made henceforth. I have some bookmarks and a link where Seiko prides itself on adhering first to the whole "green" EU legislation. Another link that references Swatch's problems with their quartz watches under this. Old news from a decade ago. So I don't know how relevant it is to the present situation.

Basically, leaded solder, now effectively banned for commercial use, is considered all around better for circuits in regards to reliability and more importantly for watches, longevity, especially when in regards to temperature. Key word if you want to do your own reading is
>tin whiskers
Endless bitching by electricians.
There's another problem that's supposed to crop up with ultra low temps too but I forget what it's called.
IIRC I also remember reading somewhere that military and aerospace organisations mandate the use of lead solder. If that's true, then that sort of says it all to me.
The ambiguity around all this, plus my reasons to do with pure mechanics vs electromagnetic+mech outlined above ultimately stayed my hand.
It was a sweet looking watch and I'm sure I would've enjoyed feeling its near ethereal lightness on my wrist as I type this, but these self-imposed obstacles were too great for me to overcome.
I'll never get another chance at that price though, that annoys me. But oh well. It's done and the store is closed forever.

i fucking HATE eta movements holy shit

Brands you hate. For me it's:

>Nomos
>Hamilton
>AP
>Squale

>>15535592
shame they made this chrono so big

>>15535612
>rolex
>AP
>patek

basically every brand that niggers buy to act cool

>>15535612
I hate the Homos commie management. I admire the efforts of their engineering however.
Swatch group is basically just just one massive brand that I'm not fond of. Don't necessarily hate it.
>Richard Meme
>Hubcaplot
>Fag Huehue
Used to hate Panerai, but now I don't really care as they're no longer ubiquitous on every asian with a small wrist.
>Bremont
>Shitola
Fuck these two shit brands and any idiot that gets conned into buying them because
MUH ANGLO WATCH HERITAGE
due to their absolutely transparently manipulative marketing. It's so clumsy and unrefined in its message that any idiot that falls for it is even dumber than the general population. Say what you will about the mountaindew, their marketing is clever.

I'm thinking about buying an old dress watch and painting it with Black 3.0 (a.k.a the blackest black you can get your hands on).
Thoughts?

>>15535612
>rolex
>swatch
>tissot

>>15535633
could be cool but dont buy a nice brand and ruin the watch if it fails

>>15535612
>seiko
>edifice

bought exclusively by people who just got a nice job and now need something to look proffesional
get some fucking originality

>rolex
bmw of watches, instantly detect a person without taste

>>15535657
Actually I buy seiko because I am too poor for other nice vintage brands,

so fuck you you are wrong

>>15535612
>Rolex
hate the pleb fanbase, their usual general lack of knowledge, bringing cancer attitudes, excessive snobbery and soulless investment mindset into the community
>Swatch
cheap disposable plastic watches hiding behind (((Swiss Made))), anti consumer construction
>Tissot
their watches are really underwhelming and an usual noob-trap for newbies who want an affordable watch <$500, lures in people who want ""swiss made"" when at that price point every watch from every brand is made in asia

>>15535657
Hey fuck you, its either flightmaster, edifice or spend half my broke ass's savings on a navitimer or Hamilton equivalent.

>>15535661
>>15535684
bullshit, buy a used vintage watch, get something other than a seiko, a vostok, raketa, chink shit, SOMETHING OTHER THAN A SEIKO YOU BORING FUCKS

>>15535669
i actually like swatch because it's innocent and plastic, something about it is modern if not design the concept of it

>>15535696
I think there are so many vintage seikos out there they are not all boring

I tried to get some vintage rado and oris but for some reason people think they are worth a thousand

>>15535701
don't get me wrong, some seikos are cool as fuck such as the giugiaro designed, alien, or the pulsemeter, but the constant seiko skx, 5, tuna and boring as fuck modern watches just kills the brand for me

>>15535706
I am more inteo the older king seikos, modern seiko aint it for me either

>>15535633
What part are you painting? The hands?

>>15535629
>I hate the Homos commie management.
Honest question what do you mean by this? You don't like Germans?

Pic related is pretty much the only watch I'd seriously consider buying if I had the money to waste

>>15535720
I think you meant this.

>>15535724

That's also nice but I think the one with the blue accents and that little blue and red thingy looks the best

>>15535728
>little blue and red thingy
That is a power reserve indicator

>>15535712
There was an article that I believe was never translated into english about the how nomos was participating in some ultra grand form of corporate virtue signalling that puts the hollow and insipid type that's practiced by massive american corps like nike etc., to shame. It was to the extent that it couldn't be passed off as the latter, ie. the typical pozzed advice from PR depts. that are so out of touch, but rather proves that the upper management are real true believers in that kind of bullshit. Basically, reading between the lines you could see that it amounted to the company coercing its workers to attend "optional" propaganda workshop sessions so that they, their families, and their neighborhoods would accept without question the mass influx of resource draining and culturally incompatible third world "asylum seekers" aka economic migrants, that flooded into germany over the past few years that's caused endless trouble for every other european state. Thanks Merkel. It's about as "optional" as an armed mugger kindly asking you if you have any spare change or the kind of "optional" that a Chinese State Re-Education Camp is optional for those who're "voluntarily" interred there. Any employee who refused this shit would undeniably find it difficult to remain employed for much longer in such an atmosphere.

I only found out about it because some german watchfags were complaining about it online. I have family in Germany. Shit's fucked. But they did ask for this situation so I suppose I can't really feel sorry for them.
Morons.
There's more reason than one that Nomos is called Homos here.
And it's only partially due to the typical real life soijack ledditor who appears to be their target demographic .

>>15535742
Do you have any links to the article or any key words I could google to find it?

>>15535742
They do make a nice in house automatic tho

>>15535742
I also loathe PR woke-ness, especially cause it actually serves to do the opposite of whats intended but the complaint about 'economic migrants' very probably once applied to your own family at some point.
If you want less refugees stop supporting western countries bombing/putting embargoes on them.

As for nomos, I think the movements look aight and maybe 1 in a hundred variations have some legs. Not bad if you can pick them up second hand. I like the Dunkel 36mm version with the orange accents.

>>15535754
that was tiny, my bad

>>15535747
Undeniably. The engineering I have no issue with. The design is you either love or hate. The effort involved is impressive.
>>15535746
Try the typical buzzwords conditioned to make you feel a certain way before you're even privy to any actual information:
>nomos, right wing, extremist, neonazi, asylum seeker, racist, muslim
I'm sure that it's been more widely reported by now. The first article I saw a while ago now was only in german in some business gazette or something nobody ever reads.

>>15535612
Why do you hate Squale ?

>>15535773
the fact they resorted to using a guido youshitter who unironically thinks he's part of the english upper classes as their main shilling vehicle is enough to make you dislike them or at least be wary
they don't deserve the effort of hate though

>>15535755
Even from this angle, I can just tell the edges of those hands are rough as shit.

>>15534190
I could see the use in modern day, IF it had a way to also double as a desk clock.

a nice, intricately designed piece of art, that functions as a clock as well. if it was 100% mechanical and you could see the clockwork, that would be amazing. then have a nice brass/bronze/copper case with ornate carvings, which is very easy to do, very fast work, and looks amazing.

>>15535779
I have zero knowledge of this, nor does it affect my interest in their watches both present and past.

>>15534147
so anyone knows, 5,800$ and it sounds like a 20$ kids toy clock

>>15533998
five identical invictas

>>15534040
Invictas are future classics. First they'll go entirely out of fashion and many mechanical ones will get discarded as getting them repaired won't be economical but a few decades later they will be regarded as the most iconic watches of the first quarter of the 21st century. They'll be highly collectable, especially amongst a new generation of SEA watch collectors, with the most obscene and morbidly oversized limited edition models fetching exorbitant prices. Unironically the best long term investment pieces in the market.

>>15535782
They are. Beyond their movements that are nicely decorated for the price nomos are shit in every other regard.

>>15535779
maybe you need to try one on in person, mio amico. They truly transcend their price class.
-ok ciao

Why is the modern watch industry just slight variations of the same 5 watches

>>15535864
they dont want to go bankrupt by releasing a risky model

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/grand-seiko-t0-constant-force-concept-tourbillon-in-depth

>>15535864
It is not only just that, there are interesting things happening.

Have a chuffed day, /wt/.

>>15535886
holy shit

>>15535893
its literally a penis enhacement drug to be looking at the movement

Should I cop

>>15535915
Regardless of the perception of TIMEX, that is really cute and fun watch. WTC ?

>>15535915
do you like it?

yes -> buy it
no -> dont buy it

Timex is a known brand and the snoopy is cool so go for it man. Its a nice play watch.

>>15535915
>miyota
>$250

for once timex has acceptable value? (besides marlin handwind) 40mm is meh though

>>15535886
>>15535893
>>15535912
No joke. That is exceptionally engineered and just downright pleasing to look at.

>>15535915
This: >>15535927

People don't put enough stock in what makes them happy. Rarely does anyone care about your watch, but you have to live with it every day you wear it. If you like it, fuck what folks think for better or for worse.

>>15535886
has Grand Seiko - dare I even say it - finally surpassed Rolex?

>>15535979
>has Grand Seiko - dare I even say it - finally surpassed Rolex?
Has Rolex ever made a complication even remotely close to this ?

>>15535975
brb buying nothing but invictas

>>15535988
Fyi "horology" nerds care more about brand exclusivity and status signaling than what the fuck Seiko/credor/Epson is doing...even if it's a spring drive tourbillion nwith cermaic face and rose gold case

>>15535979
Don't forget that in Credor they already released a watch with a Sonnerie complication. That's no easy feat. Much more complicated than a simple repeater, which is already more difficult than a tourbillon. Only three makers in the past 20 years have bothered with a Sonnerie. Rolex hasn't done any such thing, but they don't need to: they make tool watches and sport watches for the 'Everyman' lmao in accordance with the philosophy of Hans Wildorf.
The lofy heights of HH has never been in their purview.

>>15535432
>>15535467
max bill!

>>15535989
Oof, if beyond the meme it would really make you happy then have at it and fuck what I or /wt/ thinks. I'm sure they have a couple gems buried in their fugly pile of offerings.

>>15535592
Damn the finishing on those hands is dogshit

>>15536020
If it REALLY was about horology. And not status signaling

People would be creaming their pants over Seiko, invented quartz, invented electro quartz, invented spring drive, complex movements and in-house watches where search group long since outsourced.

The issue is

Seiko sold most of their watches for under $2500.

If they maintained a Patek like price point for grand seikos and never made anything like an albi, orient, Seiko 5, or mainline.....they would be most people's grails

>>15535724
Imma let you finish but the minimatik is the ONLY nomos watch with proper proportions. It's a shame their nice movements and beautiful dials are wasted on such clumsily executed cases.

>>15536046
It's good they didn't. The world is filled with enough overhyped and overpriced luxury brands. Seiko has done so many great things over the years and typically offers great pieces in every style and budget at prices well below competitors in the same quality bracket. People using watches as status and wealth symbols can stick with the standard Swiss mfgs and people who can appreciate Seikos can get into a watch they love at a reasonable price.

>>15536054
L U G S

>>15536209
Those are the only ones that are actually proportional.

>>15536217

>>15534114
Tissot is the whipping boy of Swatch group, churning out all the bland crap no one else in the group wants to make, but they can still make decent watches when they try. They have a Hyundai and Kia thing going on with Certina who have decidedly sportier designs. The only ones lower on the ladder are Swatch proper and Calvin Klein, but I can't say anything really bad about their product, they're just fucked by Swatch market segmentation. I'd say they can sometimes be better value than some Seikos these days if you go by the grey market pricing.

>>15536217
>>15536220
what an ugly brand

i like nomos club 36mm

>>15536221
does calvin klein have any actual watches or are they all exclusively fashion shitters?

>>15536225
>$1700

Fuck, i'd rather buy a Tudor

>>15536233
Someone linked a swiss made automatic earlier on jomashop that's listed for dirt cheap. It's not my thing but it's probably okay.
>>15534466

>>15536236
what did you expect
you know that nomos is a semi luxury brand right
the same tier as tudor

Grand Seiko tourbillon. Pretty based

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/grand-seiko-t0-constant-force-concept-tourbillon-in-depth

>>15536238
But it doesn't have the same brand recognition and their designs are just very late 90s, in a bad way.

>>15536244
>very late 90s
no..? where did you get that feel

>buying watches for brand recognition
you need approval from the cashier at walmart?

>>15535353
It gets better, Neptune bro. This came today

>>15536260
Would you have preferred if the green was a little more iridescent? I have the orange and the blue because I felt the green was a little flat.
I've never been into green dialed watches, but having seen a certain aquaracer, of all things, and an oris aquis with really nice green dials with some really nice chatoyance I've been reconsidering.

>>15536250
>no..? where did you get that feel
The dial, the colored numbers, the points, reminds me of late 90s design, Swatches, Flik Flaks...

>>15536241
Yeah but where is the watch?

>>15536282
Overall I’m super pleased, I feel there’s a 3D element to the dial. Under different lighting it darkens in color to a nice Jaguar green. The ring on the outer edge of the dial picks up lots of light, contrasting the dial. I am considering a case swap to open up strap options though.

>>15536260
Neptune bro.

>>15536282
>I have the orange
Please post a good picture of the orange. I want to see how it looks in natural light.

>>15536297
i know what look you are referring to (the swatch look) and i think there are hints of that but if anything it feels more of a 2000s thing for nomos. The MUH MINIMALIST designs helps it to a big extent as minimalist watches were a big recent trend in fashion

let me show you a real 110% 90s design watch

>>15536314
>>15536297
or this.....

>find an old sotheby's catalogue from when my dad worked there in 2003
>mint condition oyster perpetual explorer for 2k
>paul newman daytona for 13k
>el primero for 1k

wtf happened to watch prices. High end luxury names suck dick

Ikepod is going to be a future classic.

What kind of music do the people who hate Nomos listen to?

>>15536329
you can buy a seiko for $2k now :^)
just as good :^)))

rate this $300 chronometer
C032.851.11.057.02

>>15536305
Hail Neptune. I have a 420 and a 110 case, gonna swap at some point. I now prefer a Vostok with no date, since setting them is such a pain. I’m currently shrinking my collection but I made room for this bad boy

>>15536341
Dream Theater

>>15536312
It's night time now. I will tomorrow if it's not a dark and rainy day.

>>15536342
its a fucking joke, pure 18k gold Ap from 1990's sold for 5k

Patek 3423 from the sixties was 2.5k

I swear to god, watch sellers have gone fucking mad

Neat

me angy, where have my cheap prices gone >:(

>>15536362
suppry and demund

>>15534093
this dudes gf is hot as fuck

>>15535633
Is it like vantablack or something ?

>>15536370
>>15536372
you mean artificial inflation of prices because everyone is greedy

imagine being a fucking boomer and you can just drop a light 2k for one of these

>>15536378
if people keep buying it at dumb prices, they will keep selling
suppry and demund

>>15536383
yeah this is the problem, you are right

fucking people think that when they buy a vintage watch for 2k they should atleast be able to sell it for more a couple years later

>>15536386
the internet has made it so much worse
more "watch guys" are made every second as they drift from thotstagram or flit from youtube vid to youtube vid by grace of the algorithm.
they read, they lurk, they desire what's being hyped by other faggots they see online
when they get some coin they splurge on endless shitters because they have no impulse control and are pathetic consoomers
some save and buy the hype piece, no matter the cost because they want it so bad purely because other people want it so bad
look at the chronometre bleu
look at how fucking retarded the pricing has become for that one meme piece
hype generated purely from "enthusiast" social media
it'll take a another great depression to reset all this shit
that or just another big ass war

>>15536393
Atleast we get a good laugh about it ey?

and some nice old catalogues?

There’s a lot of stuff in the watch world that’s hard to understand, but to me nothing makes less sense than the popularity of the Daytona. One of the most ghastly watches I have ever seen. Then again, I unironically like Hublot and those neon coloured Offshores so maybe I’m just wrong.

>>15536397
this is what is called personal taste

>>15536397
The vintage daytonas look nice at least.

>>15536400
There needs to be more pieces with coffin link bracelets to be honest.

>>15536402
Yeah to be perfectly fair that’s not so bad, but I do not like Rolex’s chrono hand

>>15536328
>(((silberstain)))

He is basically laughing at the goy for being a baby and paying for that thing. No wonder they control you amerimutts. You make it so fucking easy.

>>15536393
Are you like 60 years old? You were a watch collector pre-internet?

>>15536381
Tell me about it, I'm currently in the process of buying a house and it's just endlessly depressing, the price it was sold for in past sales, my Mom mentioning how much she and my Dad paid for their house 30 years ago, the fact it's now worth 6 times that amount. Doubt my house will ever increase in value that much in my lifetime, I'd die a millionaire.

>>15536397
It has a great back story, hence the Newman name. It is rare, they are not making any more. It's Rolex.

New
>>15536470
>>15536470
>>15536470

>>15536430
My dad bought his first house at 24 and finished paying it at 28.Nowadays an average person of that age don't have enough money to do that, maybe you buy a house and will end the payments in 20 years or ten if the house is cheap. He also mentioned that he was about to buy a a second house that now cost 5-6 times more but he didn't liked it because it has garden and a pool and he didn't like to pay anual fees for that and he ended purchasing a way cheaper and smaller hourse that is not on a bad zone but it's not on the fucking center of the city like the other one.The best thing is his job wasn't a high end one it was mostly blue collar, electrician on the country's biggest energy company, he was a qualified worker with mid level studies, now even if you go to uni you struggle to find a decent job.My grampa also managed to get a decent enough quality of life while not having studies and working as a truck driver, he was not rich, but had enough to buy a house and feed his family.

>>15536490
My dad bought his first house with the signing bonus from the navy...

Can you imagine that today. You would need a one million dollar signing bonus to buy the same house.

He also graduated college debt free, went into a master's program for free and got a JD.

To do what my dad did today would require a 17 year old to have at least a 10 million dollar net worth in very liquid assets and at the end of it he'd be broke

>>15535592
>>15536043
Why does /fa/ hate hamilton so much?