/fa/ - Fashion

instathots with a vague alt/punk/goth veneer

>>15442655
just flavor-of-the-week fap material

idk but its fucking hot

>>15442655
it's what embodies the word 'culture' under late-stage capitalism. there is absolutely NOTHING cultural about this culture, as it's only shallow consumerism and chasing after some pseudo aesthetic with no meaning.
just go on pinterest, see what women nowadays enjoy. it's so dishonest, so fake and pseud. all it is, is a revival of past consumerist cultures in an overy sexualized and ironic way. it can't be a real culture, because it's creating nothing new. it's a fucking zombie.

god how i despise women

>>15442655
It captures an indescribable vibe which is iconically gen z

The pioneers of the e-girl look were literal camgirls like Ashe maree and Lana rain.
The look is reminiscent of J-fashion meets soft bro-scene meets 2014 tumblr grunge girl


-A girl who swears she was one of the first dress like what is known as the e-girl aesthetic

>>15442705
N E O - scene***

>>15442699
>it's so dishonest, so fake and pseud.
honestly, you could say that a about a lot of old stuff too

>>15442655
>subculture
there's no culture involved with this look

>>15442721
Hanging in discord parties, having online bfs, going to arcades, exploring Chinatown. E-girl culture

>>15442699

>god how i despise women

everyone despises you too micropeen

I get nauseous whenever I see any piece of zoomer "culture"

>>15442701
how big is her pp?

>>15442754
been permanently atrophied due to being able to go on hrt as a child and transition early
probably sub 3" (nbpel) and sub 1.5" flaccid

>>15442730
>Hanging in discord parties, having online bfs
That sounds sad
>going to arcades, exploring Chinatown
Only long enough buy a bubble tea and to take pictures for instagram or twitter. Which is also sad.

>>15442701
>>15442786
I feel so bad for the dudes that will have to date these tik-tok pyschos full of brain worms.

>>15442655
I don't know but it is the dumbest shit ever and they swear they are so original. eboys suck too

>>15442655
it's not that anorexic twat that's for sure

>>15442786
how old is this primo boipuzzy

remember scene kids?

Same shit.

>>15442699
ethots are hotter than kardashian/jenner clones at least. and it's a step closer to punk/scene/goth that everyone reminisces about.
However, it promotes more simp-ery through OnlyFans and Twitch, opposed to buying advertised products on IG. It's horny lonely teens instead of horny indians and turbonormies

>>15442701
>>15442786
based af. trans rights boys n girls.

>>15442655

getting admiration from strangers for the ego boost + making money doing it, probably more than many professional models.

>>15442701
>>15442786
>that midsection

>>15442909
it's a step closer to punk/goth the same way counterfeit designer clothing are a "step closer" to high fashion than normal clothes.

>>15442910
what rights are they missing?
to get their mental disorder treated properly, instead of some jew docs mutilating their genitals?
well those trans rights i'd support

>>15442655
OH GOD SHES CUTE AND HOT

>>15442786
still would
gay if wouldn't

>>15442932
yes, i really wish everyone would get the help they need, but trump banned healthcare for trans people so i hope we can get to a future where everyone can be themselves and still be able to "take" the hate they inevitably get, founded or unfounded

>>15442932
As a medical student, the mutilation is the proven medical solution. Most, if not all, current medical literature supports this. If you respond with that one study (you know which one I’m talking about) you’re a fucking idiot who should learn to read.

>>15442951
>As a medical student, the lobotomy is the proven medical solution. Most, if not all, current medical literature supports this. If you respond with that one study (you know which one I’m talking about) you’re a fucking idiot who should learn to read
>t. you 80 years ago

>>15442701
Cute but why do they have to act like this??? It's not that you're trans here, it's your faggy actions with the 2 fingers non-stop and the passive aggressive nature that shows me that you're not comfortable with who you are.

This is why I am cool with Blaire White, probably the only based tranny. I guess it's asking too much for a tranny to act normal in most cases though because by the very nature of their mental illness, they're not normal.

>>15442951
>As a medical student, the mutilation is the proven medical solution

Muh argument from authority!!

Chopping a dick off is never a solution. The root cause is in the head and mental, that is what should be worked on via therapy. The dick hasn't gone wrong; the head has.

>>15442951
not him but I personally feel like it isn't something we should be doing to people
we currently aren't capable of medically, biologically, re-assigning someone's gender. We can't give a man a uterus and we can't give a woman a prostate. These operations feel like crude attempts and until we could feasibly actually do something that can physically change a person, I feel like we're just performing a modem lobotomy

>>15442979
not him but chopping parts of your body off is a good alternative to literally dying, we've done this for literal centuries until we find a better solution

>>15442981
We can never biologically change the sex of a human after birth.

>>15443012
In the instances of where cutting off a bodypart prevents someone from dying, yes; in instances where someone feels alien having a bodypart, no.

>>15442981
you're confusing gender with sex, sex can't be changed, but it's called gender dysphoria because we chose x amount of years ago that boys couldn't do one thing and girls could. now some people want to change that and to feel ok with themselves have to resort to changing their hormones and having surgery, i seriously believe if we were to abolish gender less trans people would exist and more gender-non-confomative people would

>>15443012
Jesus Christ that isn't a comparable analogy. People don't just die if they don't get sex reassignment surgeries

>>15443021
it's not that they feel alien to that body part but they feel like if they have it they can't be happy, which is most likely not a decision on them, if it makes them happy then let them do whatever they want

>>15443012
"Literally dying" and how does that happen? It does not. If you mean via suicide, then that is why the mental issue of gender dysphoria should be worked upon via therapy instead of surgery.

Which then presents a whole heap of issues which further again leads to surgery. Plus the culture of pushing this and easy acceptance leads to young children being easily influenced that change how they feel later in life.

Not to mention various other things cause people to be unhappy and kill themselves.

>we need to chop off their dick because they will LITERALLY die after because they can't live as a dude

So how about free surgery for people who can't live as really ugly and feel suicidal?

Why should someone live as a short person and not get surgery?

You're looking for answers and solutions to every aspect of life that just are not there, you're seeking utopia. Some things are hard and tough to deal with in life, but that is part of life itself. Some people with a mental illness sadly have that and there is nothing you can do. It's the cards of life and the hand you're dealt.

But what we can do to try and improve in the least harmful way is therapy to try and change how they think and view themselves.

>>15443025
>you're confusing gender with sex, sex can't be changed,

Lol same old cope argument. yes,w e know the difference between gender and sex but most people use it interchangeable. A trans person doesn't just want their "gender" changed, they want for all accounts to be biologically female in every way possible.

>>15443039
>>15443036
I can't believe it Cecil but for once I agree with everything you posted

>>15443036
sounds like you want to live in an utopia if you want something that statistically makes people happier with themselves abolished because you find it disgusting my dude

>>15443039
i explained to you that the reason they want to chop their dick off is because people force upon them that to do a certain thing they have to have a vagina, i appreciate the discussion cecil but i think you can't read

>biological males have a penis
>biological females have a vagina

NOO U DON'T UNDERSTAND!! WE JUST WANT OUR GENDER CHANGED TO FEMALE!!

Which would negate wanting to look like the biological female sex and having a vagina but it doesn't.

Biological sex (not gender) pertains to sexual organs and if you want to change yours to resemble the biological sex of a female, claiming it's just gender is complete garbage.

Gender refers to social and cultural differences, and NOT a body part or sexual organ.

>>15443050
YES ABSOLUTELY, EXCEPT THAT WHEN A GUY WEARS A SKIRT EVERYONE CALLS HIM A FAGGOT CUNT OR A TRANNY AND BECAUSE OF THE SOCIETY WE LIVE IN THEY FEEL LIKE BEING BIOLOGICALLY MALE IS IN THE WAY OF MAKING THEM FEEL HAPPY THANKS FOR MAKING MY POINT FOR ME

>>15443047
>because you find it disgusting my dude

>when you've lost the argument throw out the strawman

I think it should only be allowed in the most extreme cases because I think it leads to more issues and a higher rate of suicide. I also think the current culture encourages it which further increases regretful surgery and higher rates of suicide.

Life is about making yourself happier within your own reach and the realms of reality. I want to fly but I am not going to push for surgery to stitch feathers onto me. It's as absurd as "I want to be a girl so cut off my penis" in reality.

>>15443049
>they want to chop their dick off is because people force upon them that to do a certain thing they have to have a vagina

Who forces trans people to cut off their dick? They want their dick cut off because they ASSOCIATE THE FEMALE GENDER TO FEMALE BIOLOGICAL SEX and hence why the 2 words are in most cases used interchangeably.

That's why you always see the cope:

>noo, we are not talking about sex omg u dumb, sex and gender are different

Yet all the trans actions they take align them both as most people do.

>>15442715
you could, but older cultures had a meaning aside from just "looking a certain way"
what has eboy/egirl culture given us? new art? new fashion? new music? new literature? new ways of thinking?

this internet youth culture is not a breeding ground for creatives. these young people don't create, they consume. they don't change culture, they embrace every issue society has created. young people should use their culture to rebel. to stand against what bothers them. instead, they make it part of their identity like it's a fashion accessory.
for example, look at all the egirls who flaunt their daddy issues, depression, drug addiction and sexual exploit. a way to fight against their problems would be by creating meaningful art. but for some fucking reason they collectively embrace it like it's part of who they are, à la "uwu i'm so depressed". it's a culture made out of their misery, not their fight against it.

>>15442909
>it's a step closer to punk/scene/goth that everyone reminisces about.
EXACTLY. but this is where the issue lies.
everyone wants to go back to times where youth culture was still creative, but you don't get that by simply recreating the culture of those times. instead, you should create something new.

>>15443054
If you think if he then said "I cut off my dick" and everyone will be like "oh cool, sorry" then you are deluded.

If nobody said anything about a guy in a skirt, if he felt female he would still want surgery, because he wants to become as a biological woman which means having no penis.

He does not want to "play act" as a female and just engage in female social norms, he WANTS and FEELS like he is the biological female sex and tries to achieve that.

You're also further deluded to what humans are and what a species is. Either way, it's not normal behavior. It is a mental illness. A healthy species is always going to have negative thoughts towards this.

You're asking for some again uptopia in which people can walk down the street with a large penis stitched on their head and nobody looks twice. That's simply not going to happen. All that can happen is that people are not attacked or discriminated again for it and ion most cases, that's what we see happening.

Being called a name is also nothing compared to what other cultures and religions will do to you seeing this. You have it good right now but you're forever pushing.

>>15443060
>>when you've lost the argument throw out the strawman
i thought you were right wing omg im so sorry i take it back
>Life is about making yourself happier within your own reach and the realms of reality. I want to fly but I am not going to push for surgery to stitch feathers onto me. It's as absurd as "I want to be a girl so cut off my penis" in reality.
honestly, if there was a surgery that would make you be able to fly, and it would make you happy, then yea sure i think you should be able to do it

>Who forces trans people to cut off their dick? They want their dick cut off because they ASSOCIATE THE FEMALE GENDER TO FEMALE BIOLOGICAL SEX and hence why the 2 words are in most cases used interchangeably.
i agree, more people should know the difference between sex and gender and that gender should be abolished as it means nothing and the way your born shouldn't impact how you act if you actually want to do that thing, i'm not saying trans people know all (or any) about gender and biology behind what they do, but they're motivated by it because they think it'll make them happy, and generally they are

>>15443069
i absolutely don't want people to do whatever they want and nobody to bat an eye, if they think it's disgusting they should be able to say it, but they shouldn't do it because of gender roles, also gender dysphoria and gender confused people are very different things that psychiatrists can recognize, i would argue that the reason people FEEL the need to cut their dick off is because of social norms, while a very little percentage actually feels like they don't belong in that body

>>15443075
>if someone is right wing they must hate trans people

How is this not the same argument as:

>all black people are stupid

You operate and think in absolutes like an extremist would.

>honestly, if there was a surgery that would make you be able to fly, and it would make you happy, then yea sure i think you should be able to do it

That's on the basis it was successful. Cutting off our penis is not always so. Even minor things can occur like infection leading to major things such as death.

There is no way some 12 year old now online seeing all this pro-trans things and "gender fluid" should get wrapped up in it and influenced and when they hit 18 be able to get their penis cut off. I can't be sure but since all this hasn't the trans suicide rate risen?

This is massively life changing surgery with no going back.

>the way your born shouldn't impact how you act if you actually want to do that thing

Well biology leads to certain actions and behaviors too. Does a girl play with a baby doll because she feels she must act that way, or biologically and genetically is in not in her nature to later become a mother and birth and care for children? Does the boy not chase and play fight with his friends as when he is an adult he might have to actually fight to protect his offspring and his partner, who is physically weaker than him and less aggressive due to hormones such as testosterone?

Plus nobody cares that much if a girl want to do "boy" things or the other way around. The same applies for adults how being a nerd would be stigmatized and that;'s surely gender neutral? You're trying to change the fabrics of society into unknown territory and right now, you have it really good. Better than any point in history. At least in the West.

I'm "right wing" for calling out other cultures, yet you should be calling them out even louder than me as they will allow no trans rights and little womens rights. But you don't. You support them. Then attack me.

>>15443081
>people should be allowed to be disgusted by things
>they should not be allowed to be disgusted by the things i said they shouldn't

Do you see what you're doing here? You're being the arbiter or what is right/wrong and morals.

People have the freedom to be disgusted by what they want but not to act upon that and attack others.

I think most guys in a dress would be abused by young people anyway. I'd never make a comment about what someone is wearing irl, each to their own. It doesn't mean I agree with it and nor might they agree with what I am wearing. That is what a free society is though. Forcing people to think certain ways is not a free society.

>>15443091
>How is this not the same argument as:
>
>>all black people are stupid
>
>You operate and think in absolutes like an extremist would.
if you push for progressivism (like you are wether you want to admit it or not) you're not right wing, you're atleast a centrist

>That's on the basis it was successful. Cutting off our penis is not always so. Even minor things can occur like infection leading to major things such as death
literally every surgery is like this, every single one has a risk of you dying or ironically, having to chop that part off

>Does a girl play with a baby doll because she feels she must act that way, or biologically and genetically is in not in her nature to later become a mother and birth and care for children? Does the boy not chase and play fight with his friends as when he is an adult he might have to actually fight to protect his offspring and his partner, who is physically weaker than him and less aggressive due to hormones such as testosterone?
not necessarely, or atleast a way lesser extent than you give it credit for, everything around us tells us girls should be x and boys should be y, even if some dumb r14 netflix show has a crossdresser as its protagonist.
it's highly contencious in the scientific community that this is the case enough to justify certain specific roles in society

>>15443101
i guess so? my hope is actually for the overton window to be moved towards progressive values, just like nowadays very few people think political power should be inherited, but that'll take a long time. i am still not against people disgusted by things but do it for reasons you can explain not for "fear of the different"

>>15442699
thats right

but despising oposit sex will get you nowhere to.

Im so sorry that you can only find degenerate woman. There is a whole eastern world though.

>>15443139
>if you push for progressivism

Lol. That's just Marxism. Change the Western world. That's what you want to change it. Change is not good or bad, it is just not the same as before. But you have been convinced the word "progress" is synonymous with GOOD change.

That's ideology right there. You've swallowed ideology.

>literally every surgery is like this, every single one has a risk of you dying or ironically, having to chop that part off

They have different risks and most surgery you will LITERALLY die, such as is the case in heart surgery. If you don't get your penis cut off, you will not die.

>it's highly contencious in the scientific community that this is the case enough to justify certain specific roles in society

But all animal species have roles within their sex and in their society. You are trying to say to rip apart the very basic fabric of all societies that have functioned and PROGRESSED over thousands of years to eradicate all social roles which are the budding blocks of a society.

What exactly do you want? Toys have no gender on them? Most don't. now. What else? That if I see a 40 year old man with a plastic baby doll I should think nothing of it?

I see a girl with a baby doll as by nature that is her role as a species. I see a boy playing with toy soldiers because by nature, his role might be to defend said species.

And at the end of the day, in the West nobody is going to stop you doing things outside of your perceived gender. Where is the issue? What again do you want?

>>15443144
>progressive values

But again, that does not mean positive, good, better etc. "Progress" means change. Change means neither good nor bad. You're equating "progress" with the word good and that simply is not so.

>just like nowadays very few people think political power should be inherited

Power based on merit has a logical argument. It's much more difficult talking about gender roles to form such clean and logical arguments.

Also some people might still believe political power should be inherited. If the majority don't, is mob rule really progress?

The Islamic majority say no to homosexuals. Is this progress? If not, why?

>i am still not against people disgusted by things but do it for reasons you can explain not for "fear of the different"

People can fear difference thought. That's the point. It seems you only allow things based on your own ideas and judgements. That's dictatorship. I'm often different here, people give me shit, so what? That's their right. Nobody has the right to control thought crimes.

I mean the person who I replying to, I am sure you have a good heart and you believe you are doing the right thing.

All you're pushing is totalitarianism ideals. People should think x and x but not y and y. because "progress" and that's my final answer.

There is no room for debate. It's extreme but you're convinced it's not based on the ideal it's progress.

Meanwhile I have said people should think and do as they please so long as it does not harm others (mean words do not count) and that mental illness should have a focus on said illness, therapy for the brain and not mutilation with poor outcomes with rising suicide rates.

I think men and women have the same rights in Western society and gender roles (oh she played with "girls" toys" as a child" have little impact on life as a whole)

You, want to change the whole Western world and the whole way society thinks based ion the unknown masked as progress when the West has the highest quality of life and freedoms in all known history pretty much.

In those terms, who is an extremist here?

>>15443026
no but they kill themselves

>>15443036
why do you care so much about dicks >.<

>>15443238
Cool reply.

>>15443034
So we should also put all body dysmorphic people on steroids and let anorexic and bulemic people continue with their practices?

BRUHHH!!!!! OOOOH BABY puts on fingers on mouth whistling HUMMINA HUMMINA HUMMINA eyes pops out aggresively looking at them OOOOOO WOOF WOOF WOOF AAAAAAAWOOOOOO heart pops up from chest MMMMM OOOOOOOO starts to drool on table OOOH BABY DOO jumps on my chair whistlingHUMMINA HUMMINA HUMMINA BABY!!!!! tiny cupid shoots in my heart as i fall on the floor BABY BABY MMMMM... HONK HONK HONK starts to breathe heavily HUUU HUUU HUUU THATS SO HOT !!!!! starts to sweat GOD I CANT STOP!!!!! WOAH BABY!!!! howls like a wolf AWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOO YEEEEOOOOOWWWWZZAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! screams ontop of my lungs BA-ZOING heart pops out and starts dancing on the table WOOOAHHHH BABYYY!!!! YOU A BABY BABY WOOOOAHHHHHH MAMA !!!! starts biting my nails while sweating AWWOOO , BOIOIOIOING eyes pulls out like a slinky speaks in 1930s new york accent Now thats a Dame!

>>15443234
they kill themselves after anyway, no?

>>15442805
who is he

>>15443194
i just think progressive values will generally make people happier, that's why i advocate for them, i don't want to force anyone to adhere to them unless they have some sort of power over the oppressed individuals, whoever they might me. you can be as trasphobic as you want but you shouldn't not hire someone based on it, i would rather you hate trans people because one killed your mother or smething, i don't really wanna police people's thoughts so i don't see how i'm authoritarian in any way (unless you wanna argue laws are authoritarian by definition which is fine, i'm ok with anarchism lmao)

>>15443247
if evidence shows it made them live longer and happier sure, whats the problem

>>15442909
The key distinction is the mechanical function of e-thots; The fact that this is all essentially just a cultural arms race by whores trying to keep themselves relevant in order to keep lonely men the world over wanting to subscribe to their only fans and pay extra for their premium snapchats. It's all so transparent in its function as a personal marketing gimmick, as opposed to subcultures of the past that at least had the benefit of existing to be displayed in the real world. You could argue that it was also a way of exerting social dominance over the men/women in their social circle of choice, but that feels like peak honesty next to a bunch of whores doing the online equivalent of posing behind a window in a red light district

>>15442673
fuck is this shit
reminds me of my teenage gf hanging her panties with the streaks on the bathroom curtains rail. i never learned if they were period stains or shit stains

>>15442951
based

>>15442655
It stems from the fantasy of being desired by a select few.
Characters like Sam, and Shegoh are attractive, however in cartoons were never portrayed as the main attractive popular girl in all pink. They were later "discovered" by the cartoon protagonist later resulting in a meaningful relationship.
The style is also cheap and sandbox. By sticking to a few basic rules (strategic makeup, dying your hair, an element of goth) one can create a unique outfit that will flatter sexually but can also be purchased from a thrift store.
It combines the freeing sexuality of the 60s, with 90s grunge angst. It is hip hop fashion for women of all economic backgrounds, however like with most elements in society--it favors those who already posses capital (better hair treatment, more expensive accessories)

>>15443477
What the fuck is wrong with you actually posting about fashion on a section of an image board dedicated to fashion

>>15443493
IDEK why I come to this site anymore.
It's just devolved a bunch of alt-right incels. But, reddit is also soft and everything just gets repeated due to the nature of the upvote system.

>>15442699
because using /fa/ makes you oh so cultured
you are the ultimate pseud
god how i despise men

>>15442705

interesting

pls go on

unironically post pics also

>>15442951
what a fucking lie lmao. why does the suicide rate stay the same, in some stats even higher, if it's a (((proven))) solution?

their blood is on your hands

>>15442655
>that body

>>15442701
reminder

>>15443733
>some schizophrenic faked this shit and took a screenshot to false flag

>>15442705
I fapped to Lana Rain a lot. Good times

>>15443755
>He doesn't know who Foxworth is

>>15442701
>>15442805

Not gay, yet would make love to both...

>>15442655
People exposed to internet pornography of Japanese cartoon characters at 9 or 10 and commodifying that culture of pornography and atomised lonely sexual fantasy into a brand that you can buy at high prices on the internet.

This whole thing has just been a misery generator.

>>15442805
Wait till you hear its voice
Probably deeper than most of ours

>>15443320
>i just think progressive values will generally make people happier

What exactly are progressive values? Explain them to me. Progress means change. Change does not have values. It is simply different from before. Explain the values please.

"Progressive" in the Marxist sense means different than what is when applied to Western culture. It means simply changing the standards within that culture. Changing them for the sake of changing them and slapping the label progressive on it. Then when it has been changed, it would be "progressive" to change them once more and thus the circle forever continues and constant warfare essentially happens.

What if progress is not making homosexuality a crime as before, but making it punishable by death. That is "change" and therefore can be coined under the umbrella term progress.

Or is it that you want everything a certain ideology wants and each change within that you just call it progress?

>you can be as trasphobic as you want but you shouldn't not hire someone based on it

Nobody would do that because they have a "phobia" of trans people but because the real impact it can have on a business and loses due the person having mental issues or going off sick all the time due to depression.

In fact trans people are their own worse enemy right now, nobody wants to be around them because they will be accused of being "transphobic" no matter what. It's just not worth it.

>i would rather you hate trans people because one killed your mother or smething

But that's in no way logical like my above argument is. By that logic I should hate all humans if someone killed my mother.

>i don't really wanna police people's thoughts so i don't see how i'm authoritarian in any way

Of course not. Extremists never think that they are extreme just that they are doing the right "progressive" thing.

> i'm ok with anarchism

Oh look, shocker! Not. You follow (extreme) ideologies and it shows.

>>15443766
Is that the anime person? If so, that's Nick. I used to know him, we hung out in the same community. On webcam together. Unfortunately.

>>15442655
mental illness

>>15443973
everything you have said is insanely based holy crap

>>15443836
There's nothing gay about being attracted to trans girls

>>15442730
They don't go to arcades to play games

>>15442701
1: I like the “ trannies don’t need surgery to be valid “ when 90% of trannies can’t even remotely pass even after surgery.
2: Fucking dudes is gay.
3: Most of transgenderism is based around autogynephilia which is a fetish

>>15442655
is there anything more cringy then white people who are obsessed with asian culture?

>>15442655
>find her twitter
>all these fat FUCKS calling her unhealthy

This is hot. A body perfect for pinning down and pumping full of cum, not a fatty that makes weird noises and makes you feel guilty afterwards. Stop being brainwashed by your health at every size media.

>>15442699
>late-stage capitalism
stopped reading there

>>15442655
birth control

>>15442655
Who's this?? :3

>>15443973
>What exactly are progressive values? Explain them to me. Progress means change. Change does not have values. It is simply different from before. Explain the values please.
the values of the enlightenment, which make me a "classical liberal", if you will, even tho that term now means nazi-adjacent apparently. some those values are liberty, toleration and fraternity

>Nobody would do that because they have a "phobia" of trans people
yes, people do that, quite a fuck ton actually, they see a trans person and they feel "weird and disgusted" inside and then look for a youtube video who gives them a reason to hate them, while not rationalizing it themselves

>In fact trans people are their own worse enemy right now, nobody wants to be around them because they will be accused of being "transphobic" no matter what. It's just not worth it
dude most trans people are 16-21 year olds on twitter who watch anime all day, i'm not saying people who do that don't exist, they do but nobody likes them anyway

>But that's in no way logical like my above argument is. By that logic I should hate all humans if someone killed my mother.
first of all your arguement isn't logical, as it isn't any that tries to justify hate towards a whole group of people, mine was also NOT SUPPOSED to be logical, but mine is a somewhat understandable reason to have bias against a certain group of people

>Of course not. Extremists never think that they are extreme just that they are doing the right "progressive" thing.
you're not telling me where i was being authoritarian. do you ice skate? because that was an incredible pivot.

>Oh look, shocker! Not. You follow (extreme) ideologies and it shows.
i don't FOLLOW shit, i said i'm OK with it, illiterate fuck. you have no idea where i stand

>>15444064
my dude if you thought that was anything close to logical you have no understanding of the side he's argueing against

>>15442701
>>15442786
This is insane "he" is more beautiful then most girls I know

>>15442747
>If u say anything against woman u no get woman and pp smol >:(
every time

>>15443209
stop trying to argue with this retard. He doesn't have a "good heart", he just thinks he does. Like any leftist, he thinks that he's part of the good guy squad so don't reinforce his beliefs by saying that.

>>15445490
hi, i'm the "retard", in the post you're replying to cecil said a lot of false things:
>All you're pushing is totalitarianism ideals. People should think x and x but not y and y. because "progress" and that's my final answer.
that's not true i said i think it'll make people happier and that's what i care about

>There is no room for debate. It's extreme but you're convinced it's not based on the ideal it's progress.
we are debating, but both of us are too convinced of what we believe to be able to sway the other in our favour, progress for me is acceptance and tolerance, you can be a nazi, and you can be a black transboy anarcho-communist for all i care but no one has the right to tell you what you should or shouldn't do unless you harm someone's liberty without a justification ie we lock up criminals in prison and the justification societal peace and order.

>Meanwhile I have said people should think and do as they please so long as it does not harm others and that mental illness should have a focus on said illness, therapy for the brain and not mutilation with poor outcomes with rising suicide rates.
i agree with him up until he said that "mutilation has poor outcomes", because it doesn't, he doesn't want to awknowledge that people who surgically transition are actually happier, in which case he'd be argueing against making people happy, if you read the conversation he avoids this several times, when he brought up the example of the surgery that could make you fly and i said i was ok with it he completely brushed it off because you really can't say shit after that

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>>15445490
>You, want to change the whole Western world and the whole way society thinks based ion the unknown masked as progress when the West has the highest quality of life and freedoms in all known history pretty much.
this means absolutely nothing. what does he mean by western world? america? what about europe or south america even, that's in the west? didn't we discover america only 600 years ago? if he's talking about europe, does he not know the best places to live in europe are almost completely left-leaning? "western world" is just synonimous with white at this point or is used by delusional americans who think they are the whole west

this is what i mean when i say that right wingers are fucking stupid, you come in, say a bunch of shit, then when somebody proves you wrong you attack said person or ignore them because you're unable to accept that you might have some bad feelings inside. and then there's these fucking people who try to talk you though some bullshit arguement you can memorize and spew onto others in order to justify you feeling uncomfortable when you hear that someone chopped their dick off, let others do whatever they fucking want, you don't have to look at it, you can just ignore it

>>15442786
I would

>>15442699
>>15444848
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJfurfb5_kw

E-Girl Fashion (and E-Boy fashion) is a mirror of what society looks like to younger people who would typically dress like this. Culturally in the United States and really any capitalist country the products you own personify who you are. Now all it takes to signify you skate board is by wearing a ripped thrasher shirt to show to others that you belong to a particular group. Clothes have always been an expression of personality but now in contrast to previous generations fashion has become more obsessed with the brand and signifiers of what a brand means. Thrasher with skating, Gucci with having alot of money, etc. The clothes themselves dont even matter it is the brand or more importantly what the clothes signal to someone seeing them.
>>15443477
This is a great explanation

>>15445553

I dont think people are ready at the age of 18 to decide whether or not they want to undergo irreversible life changing mutilation.

Especially someone who is likely to be mentally ill

>transphobe

>>15445806
i'd agree with you but in an ideal situation they would've known and been "treated" for gender dysphoria ever since pre puberty, and had already started transitioning anyway, i'm not mandating the suregery for everyone, but for the possibility of who wants to get it to get it (which is not all trans people btw, some are happy to be with the sexual organ they were born with)