/fa/ - Fashion

Yeah but it says visvim on it

>>15388396
the fabric definitely looks of a uniquely high quality to me, and the detailing of the lining and the orientation of a pockets looks really cool. i would pay like 150 for this

>>15388396
It’s for Asians, Asians get a confidence boost knowing the clothes they bought cost more than people around them even though they’re 5’6” with a baby’s penis

"muh japan"

>>15388396
>1850
Can get it bespoke at that price, bloody hell.

Signnnn. Yeah visvim prices are exorbitant, you definitely pay for the name.
>How do you justify it
Do you have disposable income?
Are you in debt?
Is there a hole in your wardrobe that it would fill?
Is it unique/ high quality/ or special enough that you couldnt find a cheaper alternative?
How many times will you wear it? Will it be a style-defining staple in your wardrobe? Calculate cost/wear. Imagine paying that each time you wear it, is it worth it?

Honestly, When it comes to reasonable questions like those, it can difficult to justify. But if you come to terms with those questions then you can ask yourself more esoteric questions.
Define what is valuable about it to you. I'm rather hedonistic, so I the pleasure I get from using or wearing something I love. Can you put a dollar value on that?

t. just spent $800 on some Ute Moc Trainers

>>15388603
wow, had a stroke at the end there
>so I get pleasure from using or wearing something I love.

>>15388569
no different from anybody buying anything designer from anywhere.

People will buy a 3000 dollar designer leather jacket because "muy italian." So what? Designer prices are stupid, people are still going to buy what they like.

>>15388574
Could probably get it bespoke for a third or a quarter of that price desu

>>15388650
it sounds like you have made a disappointing visvim purchase recently

If I saw this on the street I would assume they were wearing some WW2 era milsurp.
It would be a badass piece if it was, but with that price tag it's just poser yuppie shit.

>>15388873
over priced visvim purchase?
maybe, yes.
>disappointing
far from it, favorite thing in my closet by far. No ragrets

>>15388396
meh i'd just get something from snow peak. same or better quality for 1/4th the price made in japan.

>>15389030
>same or better quality
lol no

>>15388396
visvim doesnt really gain value overtime, you can seriously buy used visvim for a steep ass price. i remember seeing some visvim shoes in shinjuku for like 30 bucks

>>15388396
I never understood the appeal of this brand. They do some experimental stuff but the cost does not really equate well with the styling when actually worn. I can buy cheaper stuff and make it look good and serious fraction of the cost to buy other stuff.

>>15388396
You justify it by using fancy jargon in the item description

Also visvim is trash

>>15388882
It definitely doesn't look like a piece of WWII milsurp; synthetic garments weren't a thing, that shade of olive wasn't used, and as they were a fairly new invention zippers were only used on outer garments.

>>15388603
Quality post

>>15388525
This.
Based black guys paying 10 bucks for a jacket, being the tallest, and having the biggest cock

>>15390428
Explain.

>>15388396
The same way any brand justifies anything. A C--class is not twice as good as a Toyota Corolla, yet is twice as expensive.

>>15391823
yeah the lore in the item description os pretty interesting for these

>>15392545
what is there to explain to someone that thinks snowpeak is a similar quality level to visvim?

>>15392935

>>15389015
Whatd ya get?

>>15388396
Not even a collar to shroud your neck? What the fuck?

that looks horrible

>>15394072
See >>15388603

>>15388396
visvim is one of those meme brands that asian americans latched on to to deal with their inferiority complexes and lack of masculinity. another one is acronym. that is how both can command such high prices for such garbage. you literally never see anyone into actual fashion wearing those brands.

>>15394520
>you literally never see anyone into actual fashion wearing those brands
what does it even mean to be actually into fashion? What brands do people who are actually into fashion wear? What if those brands arent your style?
Fashion isnt about brands, its about style. Wear brands because you like the clothes not because its whats 'people who are into fashion' are wearing.

>>15394520
>you literally never see anyone into actual fashion wearing those brands
what does 'actual fashion' even mean? What brands are actually fashion? What if those brands arent your style?
Fashion isnt about brands, its about style. Wear brands because you like the clothes not because its whats 'people who are into actual fashion' are wearing.

>>15388399
where?

>>15394743
on the tag anon. where nobody can see it.

>>15394102
They are charging $2,000 for a jacket modeled after a parka/jacket liner. It’s just separating retards from money.

>>15392881
It actually is though?

>>15394727
Fashion victim detected

Anon once related a story where he was having lunch with his superiors. I think one might have been the CEO of his company or a senior partner or some shit. In any case the guy was a richfag. They were talking about watches. His boss had a saying which I will try to remember but very likely get the numbers in it wrong.
"If your watch costs more than 5% of your salary, you're an idiot. If it costs less than $10,000 - you're poor."
Whatever the numbers actually were I think it was a good saying.
You might be able to buy some richfag shit but if you're not actually a richfag then you're an idiot for doing that.
There are serious diminishing returns and opportunity costs.

>>15395917
Also, if you make sort of... Upper-tier value for money cops. You are already buying more expensive and better clothing and accessories than almost everybody you see let alone meet.
eg.
Next time you are in a major city take a look at the shoes that any man wearing a suit is wearing. Most of them will be wearing trash.

>>15395833
solid non-answer

>>15395489

There is minimal difference in the qualities of most cars today. A simple leather interior does not actually cost 20k, and doubly so if it's going to break down more often. People buy a Mercedes because they want to have a Mercedes.

visvim (it's always fully lowercase) is pretty much one of the only brands I would actually say is somewhat justified in its pricing.

The first thing you have to understand, and this has become increasingly misunderstood in todays current fashion landscape is this: visvim is pure stealth-wealth. It's not meant to look flashy. It's not meant to signify wealth or status or clout or scarcity or ANY of the things that fashion has become currently obsessed with. If you're the type of customer who wants people to know your jacket is $2000 then visvim is not for you. It never has been for you and it never will be for you.

visvim is for someone who has all of the following traits:

1) They have a shit ton of money
2) They have a very classic and low-key style
3) They want the absolute best off the rack clothing money can buy
4) They don't want anyone to know how rich they are

I know it's difficult for status obsessed teenagers to understand but this is a very real customer and visvim caters to them perfectly. The jacket you posted is absolutely impeccably made, in Japan of course by extremely skilled technicians in specialized small run factories. In all my years I've never come across a poorly made visvim product. It's part of Nakamura's guiding philosophy, that he wants to create clothes that could become vintage heirlooms one day. It's a lofty goal but one that puts him far above most luxury brands today that are only looking at profit margins and often have fuck ups in the quality department while jumping from factory to factory searching for a better price.

You're completely off base about the fabric, which is totally custom as is often the case with visvim (if you don't know anything about clothing production it goes like this: Most textile mills produce a selection of fabrics and then offer those in a catalogue to designers. That's how 99% of the industry operates. It's expensive to create a fabric so the cost is offset by multiple companies ordering a fabric once it's been designed. To go to a mill and have a fabric custom made just for yourself is exorbitantly expensive. What visvim usually does [and what I know they did in this case] is they'll take a vintage garment to an Italian mill and then say "can you remake this fabric almost exactly but make it way more luxurious"). If you handle visvim product in person you notice this level of quality almost immediately. They genuinely do have some of the nicest off the rack fabrics you can find and it's because Nakamura is a complete autismo about this stuff.

The interior is a high end sheepskin from a specific luxury breed from New Zealand where everything is done organically and humanely. visvim does this sort of thing all the time, you can think of it like the clothing equivalent of whole foods. Most people don't care about this sort of thing but the person spending $2000 for a jacket often do.

All the hardware (zippers, buttons, etc.) is super high end and made in Switzerland.

Lastly the actual styling and fit of visvim is always impeccable. For some reason designers have a really difficult time keeping things simple. People always want to add weird or extra shit to their designs. If you're the type of person that constantly finds yourself coming across clothes you almost like but they have 1 or 2 things you hate (superfluous epaulets, pockets, details, etc.) visvim will pretty much never let you down. I'd actually say this is an almost larger component than the materials and manufacturing costs.

If you're someone that just wants a simple, classic, version of something visvim pretty much always does it best. The brand is particularly aware of this and it seems almost no one ever tries to compete with them. That's a big part of why the brand costs what it does. They look around each season and see if anyone else is competing with them. If not, they raise their prices.

As I said before if you're someone with a shit ton of money that wants an insanely luxurious and well made version of really classic and low key designs visvim is just the best. The stuff is also expensive to make obviously but that pales in comparison to the lock they have on their particular niche. The only other brand somewhat in their space is The Real McCoys and they're not even that similar. TRM is autistically perfect reproductions of vintage garments from the 40's and 50's. visvim is highly influenced by vintage Americana but mixes it with Japanese motifs and design sensibilities often creating a sort of parallel universe version of the same vintage garments TRM does but a lot sleeker and more modern. Fabric wise TRM might be more impressive on a technical level (genuinely sourcing and restoring vintage machines from the ends of the Earth to perfectly re-create a vintage fabric from the 40's) but visvim's fabrics are usually more high end and lux (there's less emphasis on 1:1 repros and more time spent on making things softer, more luxurious, finding organic methods etc.).

All in all, the brand is ultra specific in what it is and who it's for. It's not for most people and it never will be. It's expensive because it's expensive to make, the research and development that goes into it is costly, and lastly it has a lock on a very specific but very lucrative niche. The people who want what visvim does will pretty much pay whatever's necessary. Obviously if you don't care about any of this stuff and just want the same clothes your favourite rapper wore the price seems absurd.

>>15397062
>>15397057
>>15397049
still overpriced to shit
look at "a kind of guise"
all clothes made by hand in germany, all fabrics from small manufacturers with very high quality
small production runs
still their price point is 1/10th of visvim

>>15397049
>>15397057
>>15397062
Genuinely interesting to read, thanks

>>15397134
anoraks posts been the same for all the time he posts here
always saying yeah high fashion is expensive because x
its gotten boring
self absorbed just because he worked in the industry for a while or sth.
he screencapped all of his posts and uploaded them as if that was some sort of encyclopedia while it was always the same shit

>>15397164

OP asked a question about price, he answered. . . I don't see what's the issue.

you sound like you need to take his nuts out of your mouth and just go offline for a bit.

>>15397103

https://akindofguise.com/product/permanents-parka-olive/

This is a stock fabric. It's still very high end and Swiss made, but any company can buy it and make a jacket out of it. The visvim equivalent is them going to a mill like Stotz and saying we want you to develop an entirely custom proprietary fabric to our very autistic and very demanding needs. I don't think you understand how hugely expensive it is to do something like that. It can take months, sometimes even years, and the mill is charging you every step of the way. Most designer brands like the one you linked don't do it for that very reason. They go to a textile trade show like Premier Vision where you have hundreds of mills from all around the world in one place and you can almost without fail find exactly the fabric you want in a catalogue already developed and ready to be ordered.

To actually say, "No, I'm too autistic for that, there's tens of thousands of fabrics here and none of them are what I want. I have an extremely specific vision in my mind of a fabric that doesn't exist and I need to have it created just for me" is bordering on insanity. Some brands will have a custom fabric here or there made. With visvim it's just about all they do. I think the t-shirting cotton is stock but it's from a cotton trade consortium that has an ultra limited amount they can sell each season and you have to be vetted to purchase from them. That's the most "common" fabric visvim uses. Everything else is developed custom from the ground up regardless of the cost (which is usually astronomical). If visvim ever went public it's absolutely the first thing that would be axed because no one with a sound business mind would see any legitimate reason for Nakamura to operate like that. Almost no one can even tell the difference.

In regards to the manufacturing I'm sure it's very well made but Japan really is on a different level compared to the west.

To put this in perspective whenever clothing is manufactured there are small margins of error. Sometimes a button hole isn't aligned perfectly or a hem is slightly uneven. The way pretty much all manufacturers operate is finished product is sorted into 3 categories: A, B, and C. Product graded C goes to North America / South America / Africa. Product graded B goes to Europe and Asia. You know where product graded A goes? There's only one country and it's Japan. 99% of people on the planet would not be able to tell the difference between A and C graded finished product. We're talking about minuscule errors in terms of millimetres of difference. But there's one country where the customers are so autistic that they will literally return clothing if they notice the smallest error later at home and that's the Japanese. As I said, I know Germany makes things very well and German craftsmen are some of the best in the world but Japan is the only country I know where sewing technicians are using callipers for pretty much every seam on a garment.

Lastly I don't think you read anything I wrote about the aesthetic niche visvim has pioneered and dominated. The brand you linked doesn't "own" their style so they cannot charge whatever they want. visvim has dozens of products that you have to go to visvim for. The FBT is a great example. That's entirely their own. If you want something similar there's nothing. Ergo they can charge whatever they want for it.

But you're wrong about the quality being the same too. Even just looking at the hardware on that jacket, everything is stock. The drawstrings in particular I can almost guarantee you are made in China from polyester and are just from some generic trim company that sells to a million other brands.

With visvim's drawstrings they use some specialized factory in Japan that only makes drawstrings and has been doing it for 60 years and they provide them with a specialized cotton that's usually reserved for making luxury bedding. Then they'll take those drawstrings to an artisanal Japanese dying outfit that will then hand dye them using traditional Edo era methods. We're talking about a drawstring that costs 10 cents to make vs a drawstring that costs 20 dollars to make. Mark it up for wholesale and a store would pay 20 cents for that drawstring vs 40 dollars. Mark it up for retail and the customer is paying 40 cents for the drawstring on your jacket vs 80 dollars for the drawstring on a visvim jacket.

As I said it's difficult to convey just how absurd the differences can be on visvim stuff, especially for when it's things almost no one cares about.

If you ever get an opportunity to visit a visvim trunk show you can ask them about the most expensive product they carry. There won't even be a showroom sample because it's too expensive to produce even one for viewing. Several seasons back they had a kimono that was $60,000. The silk was produced by traditional means (hand raised silk worms and hand spun silk, totally insane when we have decades of industrialized breakthroughs in this space) but that barely accounted for a quarter of the cost. The kimono itself was hand painted by a 96 year old artist who's received a designation by the Japanese government as a "Living National Treasure of Japan". The artist is almost entirely retired but would produce new works for a sufficient amount, hence the price. In other words the most insane stuff visvim does you will NEVER see for sale on a website. It's sold to private collectors exclusively.

There is so much insane lore about the brand and trips where Nakamura has gone to places like the northern most part of Finland; to source reindeer hides from the Sami people because he wanted the highest quality hides that are usually reserved for sacred ceremonies. Or going to the most rural parts of Wadi Rum in Jordan to meet with Bedouin tribespeople to learn about their traditional dying techniques that utilize scarab beetles. Nakamura is on such a ridiculous level above everyone else who mostly sits in an office and goes on Google image search to find ideas to put on a mood board for their next collection.

This is probably the final piece of the "why does it cost so much?" puzzle. Because Nakamura is a maniac and he can't finance the most insane research and development trips or the absolute most mental reference archive of vintage fashion and antiques selling jackets for €465.

>>15397309
>>15397315
>>15397321
>>15397323
Fascinating.

>>15393328
>has never handled snow peak items made in japan line

bro...

>>15397323
>>15397321
>>15397315
>>15397309
>>15397062
>>15397057
>>15397049


ahahaha this guy actually believes all the hype

HOLY SHIT

>>15397323
I agree that visvim is a cut above the rest when it comes to fabrics, but I find their pieces arent very versatile and focus too much on that indian heritage look, which can look larpy on anyone that isnt John Mayer. Id rather spend less money on Japanese brands like Nonnative who focus less on sourcing fabrics from mountain people across the world but still made in Japan, with high grade materials and modern fits that are stylish but not too flashy.

>>15397680

i’ve also actually worked with the brand before and owned / handled enough product from both visvim and elsewhere to recognize what it is. of the big luxury houses only hermés and to a lesser extent chanel actually live up to the label of luxury the way visvim does. everything else is just multinational corporations trying to nickel and dime customers and please shareholders. there’s nothing remotely luxurious about all these luxury brands swapping mills, manufacturers, and creative directors. it’s all interchangeable and basically high end zara. that’s why it always blows me away when people call visvim overpriced. it’s perfectly on the mark for what it is.

>>15397691

i don’t think visvim is LARPy or hard to wear at all as long as you don’t wear it head to toe or try to copy an editorial look. fair enough opinion though. nonnative is awesome and incredibly slept on for what it is.

>>15388396
mmmm but of course visvim is worth the money (yes visvim in lower case you absolute peasant)

visvim is the only brand you should care about as they are the most innovative and experimental label around with the highest craftsmanship possible on all their jawns. if you think any other brand can match them for cheaper than you are mistaken. japan has superior quality to any other nation. Made in Japan means something unlike made in Germany, Italy, London, or USA.

visvim workwear japan is the stuff of dreams! I've never seen anything better than their take on americana.

>>15397781
visvim japan

americana reworked

craftsmanship unbound

>>15397787
name me a more interesting label with this level of workmanship

(you can't)

>>15397788
unmatched quality and authenticity

>>15397791
Just styling on another level

visvim crafted in japan

>>15397797
the mark of true quality

visvim lovingly crafted in japan

>>15397791
Love those boots

>>15397800
only buy a label if it's crafted in the country it's based in

made in japan by visvim

>>15397797
That beanie, that beard, and those sandals are soi as fuck

>>15397805
visvim japan

japan vibes cultured in japan

>>15397808
Japanese craftsmanship is nice
Trendy soiboy hipsters are not

>>15397803
almost all visvim is made in china and the made in japan stuff is made in china and then just "finished" in japan. when i see people paying 4 figures for crappy chinese 7 hole boots i laugh and laugh

>>15397049
>>15397057
>>15397062
Someone who has actually owned Visvim and handles the new stuff regularly here. You are completely full of shit and I hope to god that is pasta. The stuff is overpriced and Chinese made, only absolute Hiroki fanboys wear this junk, which sadly is a lot of Westernized Asians with an inferiority complex and tasteless celebs like John Mayer who just equate expensive with "good".

>>15397103

A €195 crewneck from "A Kind of Guise" lmfao

>>15397887
you can't fake labels dumb ass. there are laws against that.

>>15397931
lol

>>15397062
>>15397315
thoughts on 45r?

>>15391817
something something hiroki goes to ends of the earth for one of a kind fabric something

its all a big scam, the clothes are well made in nice fabrics but, obscenely expensive for what u get. theres a reason why all the bugmen asian manlets went from visvim to acronym, its the same shit, same kind of brand, same scam. idiots keep falling for it

>>15394727
actual fashion as in real life fashion as opposed to internet fashion

>>15397049
still peddling this shit almost a decade later lmao get a grip

>>15397315
now this is intresting, i just assumed brands had shitty qcing when you see small error like a missed stitch or bias binding unevenly sewn in etc go figure north america just gets the lower graded stuff

>>15388396
> how do you justify the cost?
It's just high margins and being able to set the prices so high. The store takes at least 50%. The people who have the money and don't care about every dollar just buy it. Obviously expensive fashion designers aren't transparent and saying how their prices are built up. Just telly a fancy story and make others believe it.

>>15397680
this

>>15397049
>3) They want the absolute best off the rack clothing money can buy
no
>All the hardware (zippers, buttons, etc.) is super high end and made in Switzerland.
Nothing of that stuff is 'super high end', they are just good hardware and by far not as expensive as one might think.
>>15397323
>There is so much insane lore about the brand and trips
sums it up pretty well.

Kids, don't trust the shilling in the internet. There is less on 4channel than in regular forums such as styleforum but people still believe their propaganda and feel that they have to spread it, even if unpaid. If you want to know how much things cost just try it yourself: write an email to a producer and ask them what it costs to order a certain amount of things. My guess is, that the production cost of the garment int the OP are about 150-300USD.

>>15398405
150 to 300? Try maybe $50 tops

>>15397309
dont u have a really shit merch brand

>>15397781
Ok but this is onions as fuck

>>15397057
>zippers, buttons, etc.) is super high end and made in Switzerland.

Is this a comedy sketch or what?

>>15398726
visvim expertly crafted in japan.

>>15388405
Would pay £10.50
Looks like its from primark

>>15397897

>made in china meme

this is how i know you don’t know anything about clothing manufacturing. otherwise you’d realize what a farce this line of thinking is. i hope you’re aware Japan had literally the exact same reputation as China post WW2 for making cheap junk. what happened? they rebuilt their country and constantly reinvested in themselves. the Chinese are walking the exact same path. Chinese manufacturing has sucked up until recently because it was kicked off by a bunch of retarded western boomers faxing poorly translated instructions to literal peasants that were shovelling cow shit under mao prior. not to mention the only contracts they got was for the absolute cheapest products possible. in the decades since the Chinese have just constantly reinvested in their factories and skills. some of the best factories in the world are in China now.

if you want fully fashioned knits they run the game. technical outerwear they have completely on lock. you want to know how you get good at making something? you do it over and over and over again and China has been doing that more than anyone else. you probably have absolutely no idea how fucked italy is. they’ve been making less and less on a downward spiral for decades. they’re genuinely getting bad at what they do. what’s happened is no young italian people want those jobs so they bring in chinese immigrant workers. they then learn absolutely everything, master the craft, and then bounce back to china and start their own factory.

if you want to make something now you’re often in a situation where you have two choices:

1) use the western factory with the storied reputation. yes they make good shit but they’re also stubborn and old. they likely have little innovation or R&D going on. they’re also unlikely to want to work with you on difficult ideas. they want easy money. your shit will probably get put to the bottom of the pile. they might have high minimums to detract you from cooler but less safe ideas. they honestly have been doing this shit for so long they don’t really care. your brand means nothing to them it’s just another order. mostly everyone who works there is a boomer who’s checked out. there’s hardly any young people with any passion.

or

2) use the chinese factory with the cursed “made in china” reputation. oh shit turns out they actually make amazing stuff. oh and everyone at the company is young and knows what’s up. they have actual technology in place to make things stay on track and move quickly. no more dealing with fucking emails that take a month to get a reply. they’ll literally just DM you when shit needs checking. they know the reputation their country has so they’ve got something to prove. they’re constantly trying to innovate and go above and beyond. they work twice as hard as anyone else. they actually get excited by your weird or difficult ideas. they want to put your work to the top of the pile because your brand has clout that they desperately need. they’ll slash minimums for harder or crazier work because they recognize they can actually grow and learn from that shit. oh yeah and everything costs half as much even though everyone in the building trained in italy under the exact same guys from the first factory.

you’re not up on any of this because you’re a pea brainlet. your brain is all smooth and has no ridges or creases in it. you also almost certainly don’t work in clothing manufacturing. you’re an actual moronic end customer dipshit who thinks he knows how the sausage is made.

>>15399061
>>15399065
Tldr
Kys

i doubt you’ve handled anything. how many times have you been to the visvim showroom in paris? i’ve literally owned both made in china and made in japan virgils and i guarantee you would never be able to pick out which is which without looking at the label. how do i know? because it’s the first thing i did. “there has to be some cut corner or something”. nope, literally the same. you think someone as autistic as Nakamura just says “fuck it, after caring intensely about quality craftsmanship for 2 decades; i’m just going to make everything cheap and shitty” ? what do you even know about hand stitched footwear? you realize it’s basically becoming a lost art right? that is except in China where they’re undergoing an artisanal manufacturing renaissance. rising wages are making it more and more difficult for china to compete with countries like vietnam and bangladesh on cheap contracts. in response chinese manufacturers are going high end to offset costs. literally the exact same thing Japan did. laugh now but in 50 years it’s possible the bulk of the worlds luxury product will be made in china.

Nakamura understands this shit because he’s on the ground floor. that guy probably spends 3 months a year doing nothing but travelling around the world and visiting factories. you really think you know anything? this shit is like the tip of the iceberg. all i’ve mentioned is what’s going good with china. you probably don’t even have a clue about what’s going wrong with japan. anyway you’re a dipshit you don’t know anything. you shouldn’t share takes on topics like this. you’re actually a moron and an idiot.

>>15399069
I’ll stick to phone orders with kind generous friendly old people

>>15399069
Well cause the stigma against China exists because most/all brands that move production there are doing it to save a couple bucks even though nowadays they’re going to shithole countries like Honduras because China is too expensive

>>15399069
No matter what Chinese company I work for somehow our exact designs/specifications are being sold/produced by a competitor. How does this keep happening?

>>15398405
>>15398726

no matter how much they get memed riri zippers and cobrax snaps ARE fucking extra double ridiculous expensive. we're talking about a 50 cent YKK zipper that works perfectly well vs a $15 riri. none of you understand how mark up works. you put that zipper on a jacket and it bumps the wholesale price up $30, which bumps the retail price up $60. now imagine a jacket that has a main riri zip that costs $35, two pocket zips at $15 each, and an interior zip that's $5. that's $70 in zippers COST. that's $140 at wholesale, that's $280 the retail price on that jacket just bumped up because of the fucking swiss made zippers.

this shit isn't a joke, it's a legitimate reason why things are fucking expensive.

>>15398440

i've had several and they let me travel around the world, pay my friends, have a laugh, and finance future projects.

>>15399087

stick with it, you'll never go back once you realize what's out there.

>>15399098
Ok

>>15399098
How do I get a job in the industry? My dream is to one day have my own brand and to make any kind of clothes I want

>>15399095

the landscape is rapidly changing, like you said, china isn't even cheap anymore. people are going there because it's legitimately the only or best option. this trend is only going to develop further. the rest of the world is not going to decide "hey lets bring back all our clothing manufacturing and get really good at it again". fat fucking chance. likewise imagine china going "hey we should stop making clothes and just get really bad and lazy at it". fucking never. the world is constantly in flux, if you don't adapt you're just going to get screwed.

>>15399097

i don't know what to tell you. that's china. unless you have deep contacts there and are physically visiting each factory you're going to get done dirty like that. actually even doing as much prep as possible it's almost impossible to avoid. i actually don't think anything where serious trade secrets or proprietary importance is involved gets made in China. its that bad. leaks are such an insane liability and the culture there about it is fucked. its slowly getting better but not really. its because not only is cheating to get ahead considered totally fine culturally but also trade and patent law is just pretty much non-existent or never enforced for infringements on foreign entities. if it's a serious problem for you i'd recommend somewhere like taiwan or vietnam instead.

>>15399113

there's like a million different entry points it depends on what you want to do exactly. i'd still recommend fashion school but only a smaller technical orientated program at a school without much renown. a 2-4 year BA program will basically equip you with everything you need to actually make product (sketching, pattern making, sewing skills etc.). if after that you stay in the industry for a bunch of years and then still really want to do a line thats the point i would recommend enrolling in a masters program at a well known school (if it wont destroy you financially, otherwise not worth it).

if you have zero skills and dont want to go to school you can try interning somewhere but imo you probably wont really learn much and would just be getting coffee. as an unskilled intern you wont really be getting allowed to do anything. where you can actually MAYBE learn is if you stick around after hours and make friends with someone at the company who's cool and willing to show you some of the ropes and let you fuck around. that's always how it is with internships, massive crap shoot. if there's no one cool you connect with, you're getting coffee for 6 months and that's all you'll get out of it.

self taught route is obviously always possible but total insanity. there's just very few actual good resources out there and you need to be insanely stubborn and motivated. it's usually only done when people legit have no other options whatsoever.

also lastly you can just ignore all of this advice and just make shit and potentially make the right thing at the right time and meet the right people and you're in. you can just figure out everything above as you go and anything you don't know you can make a friend or hire someone if you have to.

with that said i think honestly almost everyone who is successful has to use a mix of all of the above and then some. very few peoples career path is just a straight line.

>>15399161
Thanks you

>>15399161
>>15399135
>>15399098
>>15399069
>>15399065
>>15399061
Schizo

>>15399098
Like I said above, high margins. Having multiple zippers is obviously going to increase the price. It doesn't change tha fact that RiRi isn't
>super high end
>>15399061
if you want fully fashioned knits they run the game. technical outerwear they have completely on lock. you want to know how you get good at making something? you do it over and over and over again and China has been doing that more than anyone else. you probably have absolutely no idea how fucked italy is.
Have you ever been to Italy and have you talked to the producing people over there? To more than one in a leather workshop in Florence? I have. Sure things aren't going well in Italy but you are talking out of your ass, trying to make drama to make yourself seem like a knowledgable business insider.
Piacenza, Loro Piana, Ana Purna, etc are dominating high-end knitwear. They only need China for cashmere (since they have the most goats with AAA-quality). Besides that the whole yarn and knitting process is located in Italy.
They have no 'complete lock' on technichal outerwear. The most important part are the fabrics and that is one of the few things that haven't been outsourced that much. Major producers are in Germany, UK, Switzerland, USA and Italy as well. Gore-Tex, Schoeller, DCFs - not Chinese. They great outdoor brands - western, producing outside of China as well.

I'm not shitting on the Chinese, they have great craftsmen and the fashion markets might look very different in the next decades but what that tripfag Anorak writes should be read critically. In fact I'm cutting here, it's just a waste of time.

One last thing:
>>15399113
Don't go into the industry.
You can easily have your own brand. Go to Styleforum and look carefully. Most of these vendors and their shills aren't producing anything, they just buy it and sell it under their own name ('private label').(1/2)

>>15399353
(2/2)
You can have a private label very easily as well. Is your design completely novel or is just slightly different than what is currently available?
In the later case contact companies and ask them whether they would be open for working with you. Just name what you want (quantity of what). Either call them directly or send them a mail. Don't attach your CV or tell them about fancy ideas they don't won't to hear. Keep it simple. Have them produce a sample product first and order low amounts of your product, so you won't ruin yourself in case things go wrong. You should have at least 5000$ for that.
A simple webshop/website is easily done, especially today. There was a South Korean guy who made millions selling leather jackets ona tumblr blog. Temple of Jawnz was it I think.
Either way, just do it. For more complicated stuff get in touch with young students of fashion design universities.

>>15399370
>There was a South Korean guy who made millions selling leather jackets ona tumblr blog. Temple of Jawnz was it I think.
Didn't he end up scamming people out of thousands of dollars?

>>15398335
>>15399161
still interested if you see this post...

>>15388396
You can get it for $500 on yahoo japan. People who pay retail for Visvim are stupid

>>15397049
>>15397057
>>15397062
"maharishi but with nicer fabrics" isn't a good enough concept imo

jil sander (from when jil was still at the company) did the "ultra luxury fabrics, but not flashy" thing way better

>>15397321
they have a couture department so what

>>15399948
comparing jil sander to hiroki is like comparing lagerfeld to virgil

>>15399061
>>15399065
goalposts: moved

>>15399069
Lmao you sound reddit as Fuck it’s actually incredible

>>15399065
right fit = saved

>>15397057
How did you learn all this?

>>15399738
thank you, people who pay retail for most thing are stupid anyway

>>15397791
Ok that fucking suede jacket is next level.

>>15397691
>Nonnative
Interesting. I see some stuff I would wear. Obviously a different tier from visvim though. All in all pretty bland and ubiquitous honestly, save a couple pieces that are blatant visvim knockoffs like those hunter sandals.
I get it, its obviously much more accessible, and visvim has its bland, ubiquitous products too. But overall you can tell at first glance visvim is more uniquely creative and high quality.

>>15389030
>snow peak
somewhat more interesting pieces here. Looks like a middle ground between visvim and nonnative in price, quality, and design. Still a pretty small collection and nothing that really jumps out as unique or special.

I think Anorak is pretty accurate when he says
>visvim has dozens of products that you have to go to visvim for. The FBT is a great example. That's entirely their own. If you want something similar there's nothing.

>>15388396
Why would you spend $5,000 on an actual jacket of theirs if they started selling liners for $100 instead of $1,850?

>>15400572
I follow a woman who is active in snowpeak corporate and it's a pretty cool company. I've been to their store in nyc and it's clean and nice. Quality of. their camping gear is top notch. Clothing seems ok but their style doesn;t vibe with me.

There is another brand that is a hit or miss. Pas De Calais. Been to their store and it's nice but haven't purchased anything from them

>>15399098
>finance future projects

imagine going on the internet and telling lies

>>15399161
i like that u typed up like a dozen posts defending a gay larp brand

>>15399353

You do realize I was using hyperbole to make a point, correct? I was illustrating the problems with Italy in order to highlight the benefits of China. I obviously don't think Italy is shit or China is the best. Anyone with half a brain recognizes that each country has pros, cons, particular product categories they're simply the best in etc. Honestly, don't even reply to my posts if they're not directed at you. I was talking to someone completely different that thought visvim was bad because they use Chinese contractors now.

You're patently wrong on the technical outerwear front though. There's a reason Acronym is now manufacturing in China after spending literal decades trying to find a factory in Europe that could make what they wanted. China not only just straight up has the most but also the best Gore-Tex certified factories in the world. Which is important because Gore has the most stringent manufacturing requirements of any textile manufacturer. Arc'teryx (arguably the best technical outerwear company in the world) took on Chinese investment a few years back and a huge part of that deal was having access to Chinese technicians for consultation. In other words, they not only wanted but needed to have a part of their company owned by the Chinese so they could then recruit Chinese talent directly because they're that important if you make technical outerwear.

>trying to make drama to make yourself seem like a knowledgable business insider.

You're a fag, I'm in a thread about visvim replying to people who are totally misinformed on the brand. I don't care about any of the shit you think I do. Honestly, fuck off. I don't doubt that you're industry but I'm literally talking to someone else and you're replying to my posts like a bitch.

>>15399543

It's nice, I don't really have strong opinions about denim / workwear stuff.

>>15399948

Maharishi isn't remotely similar to visvim...neither is Jil Sander... like at all. I really respect all 3 brands so I don't really know what you want me to say but each of them are in completely different lanes. Sorry but this is a pea brainlet take if I've ever seen one.

>>15400091

I've been on 4chan since 2005 and /fa/ since the board opened. I've literally never used reddit in my life. You're probably a zoomer that's like 20 years old and was literally in kindergarten when I started posting on this website.

>>15400480

Years upon years of raw unbridled autism.

>>15400572

nonnative is actually really tight. You have to see their stuff in person, it's probably some of the most well thought out product coming from that space within Japan. Everything from the fit to the details to the fabric selection you can just tell. It has pretty much zero hype outside Japan because at the end of the day it's honestly just really well done stuff. They're not trying to reinvent the wheel or make some kind of huge stylistic statement. If you go to Japan and ask around though it's a ton of peoples favourite brand. That's why I say it's probably one of the most slept on. Everyone knows stuff like Engineered Garments and Nepenthes but imo nonnative is basically at the exact same level.

Snow Peak is just bad though. The actual camping product is amazing. The fashion line they only started like half a decade ago because the owners daughter took over the company. The whole line is obviously her baby but it's just not very good and kind of sucks. There's really no reason for it to exist. Actual dedicated clothing brands do what they do so much better. I own a ton of the camping stuff though and it's just totally without reproach. Sucks that the new head of the company basically doesn't care about it and is trying to force the clothing line instead.

All these gay stories about sourcing fabrics from bum fuck nowhere makes me hate the brand because its fanbase is fucking cringe and I’d just to have to hear these kind of stories in person from a proud wearer of the brand.

>>15401989
yep, like if i want this style why wouldnt i just buy the original items, dumb larp brand for rich faggots

If I had the money I'd drop 1 mil yen on Samurai Cotton Project jeans, so if we compare it to that visvim is a bargain.