/fa/ - Fashion

Ordered a San Martin 62mas. Now just hoping it will make its way to me before the end of summer.

Correct old thread >>15387517

>>15392480
>another omega thread
>another cringe bond larp
>making a new thread at barely over 300 post count

kys

>>15392483
Post pics if you have it. I'm on the fence if it would be a good fit to my SNXS79

Opinions on knot watches? I use this face with brown leather strap. It was cheap enough for me not to worry it would get stolen but looks good as a all-puropse/smart casual watch.

Why do people still use auctions to sell or buy watches or even at all? The buyer and seller premiums are unbelievably high. It's impossible to find a bargain.

>>15392590
Based Soviet digital

>>15392580
looks like a shitty fashion watch. assuming it's quartz as well.
whats your budget? could probs suggest something better

>>15392638
I paid for it around 170 USD, and this is a shitty quartz fashion watch. I had old mechanical Orient but it got destroyed by heavy rain.
It does show the time, date and has a timer. The gimmick is you can easly swap strap with their system (not that I bought more than one strap.
I'm open for suggestions though, I could always sell it back and get something else.

>>15392657
>The gimmick is you can easly swap strap with their system
So their gimmick is what has been the industry standard since what, the mid 80s?
It's not as if straps with a spring mechanism were rare or only available on high-end watches. It comes as standard on Fossil watches FFS
You got memed hard.

>>15392667
So, any cheap alternatives?

>>15392682
Anything in the OP poorfag guide.
A lot of it will be cheaper too so just pick what you like the most.
If you're willing to get into the 150-200 bucks range, you already have access to some automatic and mechanical watches so yeah, anything else is a better alternative to an overpriced identity-void quartz shitter.

>>15392581
Because generally speaking you're not looking for bargains at auction. You're looking for special pieces that rarely surface on the market and are usually puy up for auction rather than on the internet. It also gives the watch credentials/providence so when you sell again you can use that previous public sale in the negotiation. That being said, a friend bought a ridiculous patek 2508 (picrel) at auction that noone believed in because of a flaw that was easily fixed, so you can still get lucky.

>>15392726
Very nice buy but at 35mm it's only for wristlets.

is breguet niche enough that normies won't really recognise it but respected enough to get me clout at a local watch meetup?
I like dress watches and want something classic and respectable without being patek levels of price

>>15392891
Yes but they depreciate harder than a falling brick. So look at buying grey market or second hand if you want to save a lot of money.

>>15392899
that's perfect any references in particular that I should look out for?

pls r8
no bulli am poor. might get a silver mesh band to spice it up.

>>15392929
Well the stand dress watch line is the Classique's. Maybe look at the 5157 or recent 5177

why do WOMEN like WATCHES?

>>15392995
They are jewellery. Same reason men like them.

>>15392995
women like nothing, stupid cunts

>>15393018

>>15393028
hahaha so ebic

I ordered a armani exchange 35mm face watch because i have thinspo child wrists, did i fuck up watch autists

>>15393046
>I ordered a armani exchange
Cringe
>did i fuck up
Massively

>>15393046
Dial size isn't everything, lug-to-lug can matter more, but 35mm will be fine for a wristlet.

>>15392480
Anyone have a list of dress watches better than a sarb033 less than $2000

>>15392891
>local watch meetup

>>15392964
i dont think a mesh can fit that, and it will not look good i can promise you

buy more casios with that money

or save up and get one of those budget AE mechanicals or soviet vintages at the sub $50 mark
>>15393046
yes
why
how much was it lel
a few threads ago there was an anon who got the timex marlin at $110? and that is 34mm with a modified seagull inside
not mentioning the thousands of small vintage watches you can get on ebay at around 35mm
i hope you didnt pay much for that real shitter

>>15393073
£40
Retail £150

>>15393064

>>15393077
eh.. thats not too bad i guess
thank god you didn't pay the retail price
post it lol

>>15393062
Get a Vincero

>>15393062
yes the sarb017 alpinist :^)
for real

>>15393083
It doesn't come for another day or so but will make sure to post when it does so i can get roasted

>>15393062
not better but check out Orient Stars
for $300—$500 you get a very nice shiny watch, just because orient does not have the same fame as seiko

Do you think there's any sense in buying an "expensive" watch as a poorfag, which would be something that isn't a Rolex because I'm too poor for that? I want a relatively nice watch to wear every day but it seems that everything below $5k is a ripoff. I'm way too old to pull off Seikos and that kind of shit anymore.

>>15393106
idk you can get like a Laco or something thats $300. financially speaking, don't fuck yourself over for a fucking watch when you can use that money to help you make more money or make your life more comfortable.

>>15393106
There is no sense at all to do that. Even if you knew what you are doing watches are not a good long term investment.

>>15393106
> I'm way too old to pull off Seikos and that kind of shit anymore.
What does this even mean?

>buy a $35,000 watch
>they ship it to me in a small white box
>the wooden display box is shipped in a DIFFERENT package

why

>>15393106
no, dont be stupid
if you cant buy a luxury watch right now chances are you wont be able to stomach the servicing costs needed for one anyway
its not a competition
>way too old to pull off seiko
??
its not a funky gshock you know
get an orient then, their designs are largely very old fashioned

>>15393114
The wooden box is worth more than the watch and took more time to make

>>15393114
Probably because the box and watch are manufactured in different locations and are shipped direct from source. Alternatively it's a security measure because a small packages doesn't look like it would contain anything expensive worth stealing.

>>15392590
w2c strap?

>>15393114
ummm why is their a nazi iron cross on that box lol

The Seamaster looks like shit. Literally looks like a vostok in both size, style and proportions.

Am I the only one with this opinion?

>>15393132
I like the hands, they remind me of a tie on a nice suit. Otherwise it doesn't do much for me. I never understood why they need he huge helium escape valve, looks like a massive mole on the watch.

>>15393088
no side upgrades, may as well get the sarx

>>15393126
crown and buckle

>>15393114

are you the autistic rich larper spy girl?

that desk mat looks familiar

>>15393157
i'm not going to lie to you. i am.

(please do not bully me.)

>>15393158

>>15393062
maybe check out the "affordable swiss" brands like frederique constant, alpina, armand nicolet

>>15393161
Do you ever have sexual fantasies about being captured by SPECTRE?

>>15393157
what? who?

>>15393114
what watch is it?

>>15393185
>not making the hands look like freedom fries

>>15393178
>he doesn't know

Christ how new are you?

>>15393162
damn might buy this just for the luftwaffe, is the watch any good?

>>15393162
>not a swastika
boo

>>15393201
That is exactly how I imagine all the wristlets complaining about watch sizes look like

>>15393108
>when you can use that money to help you make more money or make your life more comfortable.
You can't really do that when you're poor though. If I was middle class I could, but I'm from a shit family and I don't know anyone so any "investment" I make will just be someone taking my money and not giving me shit in return because I'm the perfect sucker to rip off.
>>15393109
Don't care, I just want to feel a little bit better.
>>15393110
30+
>>15393116
>if you cant buy a luxury watch right now chances are you wont be able to stomach the servicing costs needed for one anyway
But the ones for less than $5k don't have expensive servicing do they? It's mostly ETA and shit.

>>15393158
>>15393162
Oh shit that's actually pretty nice, the proportions are a bit weird though, how big is it?

>>15393237
>huge fat hamhands
>this is how I imagine wristlets
What

>>15393132
No, I agree.
The Planet Ocean is alright to me though.

>>15393312
Nevermind don't reply to me anymore I got instantly depressed by seeing this >>15393114 so I'm going to close the thread and just cry.

>>15393211
Probably chinese shit. Doesn’t look in any way like the official armed forces watches

>>15393116
>if you cant buy a luxury watch right now chances are you wont be able to stomach the servicing costs needed for one anyway


I own luxuruy watches. The service costs are not bad.

>>15393322
Who are you quoting

>>15393312
theres literally nothing wrong with buying a sub $500 watch
so many value purchases out there
you are worried about "getting ripped off" when ironically its with luxury watches you are paying a steep premium for heritage and labour

>>15393387
>>you are worried about "getting ripped off"
Not by a watch purchase, I know it's dumb worthless shit upfront, I meant generally in life.

>>15393391
you said this though
>I want a relatively nice watch to wear every day but it seems that everything below $5k is a ripoff.
thats literally not even true
the best value deals are below $5k

Does /wt/ like my watch/mechanical keyboard?

>>15392964
Awesome font and love the hands and proportions.
Try a black mesh too, silver one will contrast in a bad way with the black case. I got my cheap, black mesh bracelet from aliexpress, was like 4€. Had no expectations for it but the color never faded or chipped. Only some scratches where the clasp is, from my desk.

>>15393406
Keyboard looks nice. But i don't understand the rest of the autism about these and do not wish to understand, desu.

Watch is also fine, band looks nice with it.
Do you also use your slide rule to calculate fractions sometimes?

>>15393406
>getting into watches AND mechanical keyboards

rip wallet

>>15393406
why do people by pilots/racing watches when they're not a pilot and drive a toyota yarius?

>>15393426
why do you wear jeans when you are not a labourer?

>>15393426
Because some JUST LIKE THE DESIGN.
They like how things look in proportion to other things and how they are arranged on the dial.
The non autistic human brain is wired like this. We first see proportions/beauty, and then comes logic and we see functions.

Ok? No repeat after me:
"I am okay with the fact, that people like things for no reason."

>>15393185
It’s cute but I’d end up eating mickey ds way too much with this on

>>15393078
>@watch.memes

>>15392775

marine nationale straps are stretchy, though I'm not sure if it's the sort of thing you're looking for
also, if it's a particuarly heavy watch it won't work well

>>15393129
Looks like the Cross of St John

>>15393312
>people over 30 can't wear Seiko
how dumb are you? no fucking wonder you're poor

>>15392995
Bitch has good taste.

>>15393217

>>15391741

>>15393652
AP 11.59 > ALS shit.

This is a fact.

>>15393654
By what measure?

>>15392483

newly based

>>15393406

super based

>>15393114

mysteriously based

>>15392964

simply based

>>15393676
That was such a shit bit of dialogue in the film, it stunk of Omega doing some market research and finding that most people still associated Bond with Rolex so they no doubt demanded that that clunky interchange be included in the next film.

>>15393708
>Omega
Surely you meant to say Omiga.

If your computer costs more than your watch you need to end your life.

>>15393739
People still own computers? I just have an iPad and take home my work laptop if I need it for something.

>>15393739
>computer costs 200 Euros
>watch costs 100 Euros
I better get my priorities straight!

>>15392891
Yes

>>15393129
>unironically not knowing the difference between the Iron Cross/Pattée Cross and the Maltese Cross
wew lad
WEW

fuck Junghans for selling this piece of fucking shit for such a marked up price.

>>15393116
>service costs are high for luxury watches

I will never understand where this meme comes from.

I pay $45 to have a swimming watch serviced every few years from Vacheron (with free priority overnight shipping both ways). Luxury watch brands have very reasonable service prices. They want you to send watches back to them for repair and maintenance.

Pseudo-luxury brands, on the other hand, DO charge a lot. For example, Rolex charges $800 to replace gaskets on a Submariner... AND you have to pay for shipping both ways if there's not an AD/service center near you.

>>15393814
Seems vacheron is fairly reasonable then. From what I've read AP charges a minimum of $700 (or was it $900? whatever) before counting in any parts they replace or whatever. That way a regular service ends up costing a few kilodollars.

>>15393814
But that's $45 for them just to replace the gaskets and check the water resistance, literally a 30 minute job. What's the cost of a movement service? Y'know, the bit that's actually expensive.

thots?

Saturday evening, so time for a pretentious watch shot.
>inb4 not using a proper glass for my drink

>>15393831
If you're referring to disassembling, cleaning, then reassembling the movement, the cost various based on the complexity of the movement itself. (Costs include case polishing, new strap, new buckle, and cutting a new dial, if the client requests these.)

By comparison, Rolex servicing starts at around at around $800. Ironically, Rolex servicing is almost always carried out by a jeweler at the AD, not Rolex themselves. In other words, the service price is mainly the jeweler charging you directly.

>>15393843
The quality of the dial seems quite bad. And this is a promo photo....
Panerai is really showing what a shit brand they are lately.

>>15393797
>can get an """"homage"""" on aliexpress with sapphire crystal instead of shit plexiglass for like 100 bucks
I hate Germany.

>>15393814
>60$ for battery replacement

You lying little kike nigga. Why would you spread BS of this degree?

https://www.vacheron-constantin.com/content/dam/services-prices/VAC_Tableau_US_180815.pdf

>>15393865
Forgot pic, but i see there are others here who also have a brain.
>>15393853

>>15393865
>he thinks people actually pay the advertised rates.

>get battery changed on Patek
>take out third mortgage

>>15393868
Post service bill and what has been serviced. Otherwise fuck off, cuck.

>spend €700 on a new Dyson and +€1k on a couple of chairs without blinking
>spend months debating whether to pay €500 for a watch
I don’t know what’s wrong. Maybe I’ve just deluded myself into thinking I like watches

>>15393867
>>15393865
That seems reasonable compared to Patek's $130 battery replacement.

>complaining about service prices

Every watch brand charges a ton for servicing. Seiko literally charges more than a replacement watch to service a working watch.

https://youtu.be/5gZ35PnBDkA

>>15393882
Lol, 60 bucks is not reasonable. It's only that (((cheap))) because it's almost no effort for the pros.

>t. just changed a battery yesterday in 20 Min while having smokes and beers with friends.

He ordered a gasket. I brought my case unscrew tool and multimeter with me. His spare was very fresh, at a 1.55V.
The low paid appredntice usually does all the battery jobs, it's really super easy and fast.

>>15393898
when my Seiko movement shitted out I took it to some chinese dude that worked out of a little room in the back of a hair salon and he fixed my shit up for 30 dollars, no taxes

>>15393843
Terrible, get a Vincero instead

>service
When it stops working you get a new one.

Let's be honest here, the price of a battery replacement is always a ripoff, no matter where you get it done. Even the little stall in the mall is a massive ripoff, a 5 minute job to swap a cell battery that cost $3.
Patek et al charge extortionate prices because they know their customers will pay, if you can afford a Patek (even a quartz) then you will no doubt not even blink at the cost of a battery replacement. It's a racket, but nobody involved really cares.

>>15393923
>When it stops working you get a new one.

do i buy a new grand seiko every time the battery dies???

how much dick would I need to suck to get a new Steel Submariner at a prices that isn't massively inflated

>red 20
ruined what would have been an amazing looking watch

>>15393924
I paid £25 for battery and gasket replacement plus water resistance check and felt scammed when he said they only test to 100m

>>15393936
you would have to let your AD fuck your wife, at the very least

>>15393880
>Dyson

>>15393936
>how much dick would I need to suck

None. But you will have to fuck a trap.

Then you can buy one at MSRP.

>>15393797
>>15393859
Honestly, get a Junkers Bauhaus instead of paying for some swiss hack's name on your dial.

>>15393952
I don't think this is a problem

>>15393944
What was the resistance of the watch? Was it the manufacturer doing the testing? I guess it's fairly understandable if you're getting it all done at a third party place, I'd look into finding someone independent who's highly regarded on forums in the future.

>>15393936
None. You just need to find an AD that will put you on their waitlist.

>>15393932
Obviously changing the battery is a simple task that can be done by anyone.

>>15393959
300m, no I think he just did the testing himself
I think I'll have to find somewhere a bit better in the future

>>15393907
Yes, it's no secret that you can have it serviced for pennies. That youtube faggot just made an attention whoring vid, like always.
No sane seiko owner would send it in. The movements are so common that every small watchservice can work on them.
You probably could too, with some tools and some quality tutorials.

>>15393944
>only test to 100m

I bet they do this to not risk flooding the watch. I bet he did not take the movement out before testing, did he?

does anyone own a watch roll?

are they any good?

goddamn some of those viontage Citizen "bullhead" chronographs are snazzy as fuck. I wish they would make some new ones with the ecodrive movt.

>>15393966
At least he was honest, it's highly unlikely you'd ever know if he lied.

>>15393975
>I bet he did not take the movement out before testing, did he?
not sure as I wasn't there

>>15393978
No, but if i travel and want to take a few watches, i'd rather put on both. Or detach the bracelet and put it in a soft case that can fit in my pockets.

No way in hell i'd trust airport niggas to not steal or lose my watches.
Rolls are a meme. It makes watches bulkier and transport is harder.

>>15393975
>not taking the movement out before water resistance testing
I'd highly doubt that, for the matter of an extra 10 minutes work you're risking a hell of a lot if you fuck up, especially with the gaskets being replaced.

>>15393978
Why store them in a cylinder? Wouldn't a straight envelop be more space efficient?

>>15394001
If the watch has a deployant clasp, you can't make them flat.

I just keep my watches in a shoebox and strap them to a pair of rolled up socks.

>>15393997
I used to work as a ramp agent handling baggage all day. I wouldn't worry so much about one of the workers stealing your stuff but rather how they treat your luggage. They don't give a shot what is inside of it and will throw it squish it whatever and completely ignore any fragile signs. The people you should worry about stealing from you are the dumbass TSA faggots

>>15394000
Ok, you're right, it's really not worth the risk.
>>15394013
Yeah, heard it from a friend that works a ticket counter. They just have so short time and lots of pressure to be as fast as possible. Airline would rather pay for broken shit than risk delaying schedule.

You're right TSA is worse. But i only seen bad stories on YT. I heard more stories from people flying in eastern europe and stealing from luggage. That's why i generalised it. But probably it's just the guys who control luggage that steal, in east EU.

>>15394010
Used, I hope.

i literally trow my watches in the washing machine to store them, idgaf

>>15392480
Looking for a watch to replace my digital garmin watch when I need to dress up a little. Actually wearing a suit, meetings, going to a nice dinner, ect. Doesn’t need to be anything super fancy, just look classy.

Budget: $200
Strap Type: leather or bracelet
Features: Doesn’t need anything special, but I would like the face to be either blue or off white.

>>15394055
look up the Orient Bambino on amazon or ebay

>>15392480

Suggest a watch for me:
For a woman
Ideally rectangular/square face -- but circular can be okay as long as it's sleek
Features not necessary
Gold metallic band
Price: under 1000 would be chill

rec me an incel horological timepiece

>>15394081
breitling aerospace

>>15393404
this. the swiss marketing has claimed another one ;_;

>>15393673
none the man is a crack addict

>>15394045
Oh yeah we didn't have a lot of time to do much and if we did anything to delay the plane we'd get in trouble. Also if our airport were to keep getting ground delays because of us we would lose our bonuses. It's a tough job but it has great benefits especially traveling for free.

I've heard the same about certain areas of the world that you have to watch out. I haven't had anything happen to me but I've heard of others getting things stolen even by customs in some shithole

>>15394090
>b-but muh Tag Heuer quality control at every step of assembly
Honestly, the fact that Vostoks cost what they cost, or that Tisell can make some excellent stuff optimizing their ise of basic movements really puts swiss pricing into question.

>>15393880
well the vacuum and chairs have a bit more utility.

>>15394101
>spend 1.7k on chairs and vacuum
>still can't tell what time it is in your own house
where's your utility now?

>>15394047
I store my watches in a paper bag next to the toilet, I'm sure they're fine

>>15394118
oh shidd ::DDD

>>15394096
This is actually cool

>>15394120
>not storing your dive watches inside your toilet tank

>>15394062
Looks nice, but I’ve heard they’re a bit on the big size. Is it good for a 7” wristlet?

>>15393589
>>>people over 30 can't wear Seiko
>how dumb are you? no fucking wonder you're poor
I mean they can also watch anime, but...

Just look at your phones you mongs

>>15394135
yeah you'd probably be fine

Cartier watches. They make good timepieces? Or just overpriced memes?

>>15394099
Yeah, job is okay if you are fit to do it. Good for young guys that just need money but are not able to search around and suck HR cock. Quick interview and you are in, at least here in europe.

Me neither but it's common knowledge to never put anything valuable in your luggage in these shitholes. And this common knowledge is based on stealings.

>>15392590
Is that strapped to your penis?

>>15394157
they have some bangers. I quite like the tank and santos aesthetic, but I know a lot of people don't

>>15394157
They very much make both.
That's the lot of every french company : they either go on cruise-control and make repetitive garbage, get forced to make really good stuff or else they're never seeing a bottle of booze again, or they're allowed to drink before working and they come up with some insane shit that's 50% genius 50% trolling.

>>15393853
If they change any parts, cogs or whatever, they have to have the same high finish. At least some of the springs and hairsprings at VC are made in-house cut from sheet metal, like retrograde calendar that jumps back are abusive on springs.

>>15394135
7 is the patrician versatile wrist size. Can wear vintage and dinner plates no prob. Just like a 5.5-6in peen is the ultimate gf size. Enough to please but not so much you can’t do anal.

>cartier charging 20k for a blinged out quartz shitter Crash-style watch
unforgivable

>>15394134
Silly anon, if I did that then where would I make my toilet wine?

>>15394075
I have no clue about women's watches but from memory the Sinn 243 could fit your requirements. Sort of rectangular shape and made for women. A bit over 1000 (€) though and I'm not sure of they make a gold metallic band. If they do it's gonna cost much more than 1000 € then.
But I'm sure if you're not looking at great watchmaking and can live without 18k gold there's tons of more fashion oriented brands that would suit your needs. Had a quick look at citizen and they offer a ton of their eco drive watches in gold and lady sizes like for example the EW3142-56PE.
Orient makes a couple of golden mechanical watches in sub 32 mm sizing too. How small do youo want to go?

>>15394173
Is this real? Because that day complication is truly hideous
>THU

>>15392480

So what should I be looking for when purchasing a "good" watch. There aren't any guides here that really give that information.

Like, why is a $1000 designer watch shittier than a $500 "good" watch?

I want to be able to know what makes something worth wearing and why buying a Mall Watch (tm) is a bad idea. Because right now, I don't really understand the intricacies of why it's bad aside from assuming that it's just because I'm paying for a name. But at the same time, Omega is just a name as well, but one would consider an Omega watch to be better than something from Armani Exchange.

But it's not like those "shitty" watches will be off by minutes each day. So what is "bad" about them?

Pls give me an extended rundown. I need knowledge.

>>15394191

>>15394191
issues with watches made by non-watchmaking companies are usually finishing and build quality. there may be more imperfections, and the watch may very well be less durable. another issue is design. I have seen big ass 45mm MVMT watches with tiny crown, and I think that they look ridiculous. That being said, a shitty quartz DW watch will ALWAYS be more accurate than a 10k rolex, and that is because quartz movement is the most accurate, no exceptions.

>>15393843
Get a customized Getat for 300 bucks and have basically the same watch. Not even memeing unlike Rolex fakes, Panerai are so simple to fake, there is zero reason to buy an original, unless you really have money to throw around and give no fucks. They are extremely overpriced for what they are(nt), same level as IWC.

>>15394191
>Like, why is a $1000 designer watch shittier than a $500 "good" watch?
Depends what you mean.
if by "designer watch" what you mean are the Armani and Gucci watch, the problem is very obvious : they take very affordable movements (often Ronda movements that range between $15 to 85 IIRC), style the watch itself and sell it at a massive markup when at the end of the day, you do not get that much of a watch.
You end up paying $800-1200 for a very cheap quartz movement that is more often than not just worth 20 bucks and the rest of the watch will not justify such a high price, it's not as if these designer watches were solid gold or covered in gemstones to justify the markup.
>why buying a Mall Watch (tm) is a bad idea
Really cheap quartz watches are "bad" because they are basically disposable when serious watchmakers dealing in mechanical, automatics and higher quality quartz do try to build to last. Really basic quartz movement cost less than replacement batteries for them.
>assuming that it's just because I'm paying for a name
There is definitely some of that going on with luxury brands. Tag Heuer, Rolex, Hublot and some more pretty clearly overprice because they can get away with it. But at least in these cases, the core of the watch is still solid. However if you pay 600 bucks for a Ferrari watch, you're just getting $20 worth of watch and $580 worth of marketing.

>>15394179

>>15394191
This >>15394200 is pretty much correct, some things have shifted now but it's mainly missing Nomos and you shouldn't buy a 2500$ Grand Seiko anymore, the good GSs now start at about 4k instead.

>>15394208
summed up what I wanted to say

>>15394208
to illustrate his Gucci/Ferrari/mall shitter point

>>15394191
the first thing you have to realize is that 90% of watches are scamming you and their value is inflated
but you have to be able to identify the levels of scam to walk away scammed as little as possible or within a reasonably tolerable level of getting scammed
for example daniel wellington vs. casio. they both make cheap quartz watches. however casio has history and does research to continuously improve the quality of their offerings, while daniel wellington buys cheap pot metal watches with dollar store movements from some chinese factory and they sprang up 10 years ago out of some marketing department. yet their watches cost much more than casios for minimal functionality. this is a scam. when you pay for a watch you pay for many things, you have to be able to look past just liking how it looks and whether or not it tells time.
then there's a more complex example, omega vs. rolex. both are respected and well known watch companies with a lot of history that make well-finished watches. but omega is a company that for much of its life pushed performance. their watches usually are better priced. they have real historical accomplishment with the speedmaster that went to the moon. their movements are far more innovative and complex. their designs more ambitious and contemporary.
rolex has a more respected brand name, but you pay 2-5 times the price for a watch of comparable or lesser performance and they rehash the same designs over and over. so you are overpaying either way, but with rolex the scam is far greater. for some it's worth it just because they want the rolex name, and that's enough to tolerate getting scammed ten times as hard. at that point it's up to you.

>>15394157
They've invested a lot in recent years into their manufacturing, basically doing everything in house.

>>15394211
Is Nomos that bad?

>>15394200
>Patek
>stealth wealth
when was this even made, Patek's main marketing agents are rappers bragging about the shit they totally don't rent to shoot a video but actually own

>>15394216
cut out the middleman and just buy a non-branded DW from aliexpress for like 4 dollars

>>15394220
idk, but they look like they come out of a cereal box

>>15394216
unfortunately some swiss brands are doing this too

>>15394225
5 identical iced out solid gold chronograph APs

>>15394233
Which ones do?
I know that Tag Heuer did it with Seiko movements and no one would have had any problem if they had been upfront about it instead of claiming that everything was made in-house.

>>15394240
someone has a link to it, but i'm guessing it's lots of the entry level swiss and some of the sub $15k

>>15394231
desu i like them
was going to pull the trigger on one of these but corona happened and I got furloughed

>>15394257
I'm in the same situation. At first I didn't like HOMOS but now their designs grew on me but then I lost my job and I can't spare the money.

>>15394257
that one actually isn't too bad, good taste

>>15394240
As in my previously mentioned post, anything that really markets itself as SWISS MADE has a markup of at least 100%. IWC, Panerai, TAG, Marathon, Longines, Rado, Oris, the list is fairly longer, but I cant think of other brands real quick. Remember that Omega part made in China? Yeah, thats the majority of SWISS MADE brands. Some are just more vulgar with their pricing, playing on heritage as well.

Dont trust the mountain jew, know what you are spending your money on. If you really really must, buy used at half the price, fuck em.

>>15394258
>>15394267
German minimalism is seriously hit or miss.
It either looks super clean and designed with purpose or like low-effort trite.

>>15394220
no it's now a good buy in that price class actually and they have cool in house movements

>swiss shit marked up a trillion per cent
>japanese +20s a day
>russian movement made from scrap metal and glue
>chinese copies of swiss shitters
how come not other country makes automatic movements?

>>15394271
>mfw most of the watches I like and want are either german, french or russian anyway
Seriously, I know I haven't dug deep into every brand out there but the only swiss watch I'd really want is the Heuer Monaco and fuck getting a new one : not only are the modern versions looking off because of "muh racing stripes" but fuck giving nü-Tag Heuer money that they'll only put into dragging their own name deeper into the mud pit they've dug for themselves.
>>15394282
No one is going to get investor money into that kind of R&D when everyone will tell them "just use a japanese or swiss movement lmao"

>>15394282
Too much effort for minimal gains.

>>15394208
>>15394217

Thanks for the responses, but I do have further questions.

Another anon posted that quartz is ALWAYS more accurate. So what are you referring to in regards to the "performance" of these upper quality watches from respected watchmakers?

Another point is that, in fashion (which I have more knowledge on), you have a large variance of quality within a fashion house. For example, going in and purchasing a suit jacket from Armani Exchange off the rack is going to be shit quality. But you could then get a suit jacket from Giorgio Armani and it would be 100% silk or virgin wool. And to me, I can very easily and immediately notice and feel the difference. It would be so obvious to me. All the way from the tailoring down to the material, that the Giorgio Armani one is made exceptionally compared to the Armani Exchange one.

But they're both from the "same company". So how do I do the same with watches? I'm assuming that within even the respected watchmakers that they have "worse" product lines like fashion houses do?

And on that same line, could a Gucci watch be made to a high standard like an Omega watch? (I'm just assuming they don't because they rely on the name. But I bring this up because top fashion houses will still use high quality materials for their top line clothing -- so perhaps they do similar to their watches).

>>15394316
There are basically fashion houses that make nice watches, Cartier, channel some older Ralph Lauren and a few others. These companies actually care about the watchmaking aspect along with the fashion aspect. Then there are fashion houses that make almost exclusively low quality rebranded Chinese shitters, Gucci Armani etc. Some of these places like Gucci might make really high end jewelry watches, almost exclusively for women, but they are always jewelry first and the watch part is an afterthought. I guess there are probably some houses that make shitters and actually nice watches, but I can't think of any.

>>15394316
>Another anon posted that quartz is ALWAYS more accurate. So what are you referring to in regards to the "performance" of these upper quality watches from respected watchmakers?
usually, aside from accuracy, you want to care about the quality of the finishing, the brightness and longevity of the lume, the quality of the materials like the dial, and also things like the decoration of the movement. yes, quartz watches will almost always be more accurate than automatics, but they require a battery except in the case of kinetic or spring drive movements and there is a sort of intangible romantic quality to automatics, muh heritage, muh soul of the artisan, etc. if you care about that sort of thing. the quality of that movement and the case that houses it is what makes watches so pricey. as for quartz watches not all quartz is the same. for instance look at citizen and grand seiko's hight end quartz offerings where the crystals are aged, specially grown and analyzed, thermocompensated, etc.

>So how do I do the same with watches? I'm assuming that within even the respected watchmakers that they have "worse" product lines like fashion houses do?
yes, watch companies have different tiers of quality. this is where the "entry level" sneer comes from in the watch world. let's look at seiko for example. a company that makes cheap watches for the people. orient is now owned by seiko and they make very cheap value watches. then there's seiko's basic line which is of similar or worse quality to orients but it has the seiko branding. then there is presage etc. then the super high end credor and grand seiko

>And on that same line, could a Gucci watch be made to a high standard like an Omega watch?
some fashion brands ie. hermes go all the way with their watches and offer insane high effort engineering, finishing, and refinement. it depends on how much they are willing to try.

>>15394217
You can call it a scam, but any Rolex will likely not lose any value in the foreseeable future unless severe economic depression, conservative designs and not releasing a shit load of different limited editions are part of that. On the contrary many of them gain value.
Rolex also have a reputation as being reliable work horses.

>>15394271
But what exactly is made in china or other countries? Even if they're ETA and Sellita based movements, they have factories in Switzerland and though some movement parts are sourced from abroad it seems unfair to call it made in china, no?

>Their first caliber was the SW 200 for an astonishingly low price back in 2004/2005. Some said it was due to Chinese parts that Sellita used in the caliber. That’s not quite true. 98% of the parts Sellita used and still uses are manufactured in Switzerland. They have over 100 suppliers in their own country.

>They do not only assemble movements, but also produce the main plates and bridges in one of their subsidiary companies in Germany. Gurofa, located in Glashütte, supplies the aforementioned parts to Sellita as a double source next to the Swiss suppliers. In their own engineering department, the brand is able to build their own machinery for parts.
https://www.fratellowatches.com/exlusive-sellita-manufacture/

>>15394330
chanel j12 is pretty based too

>>15394333
>You can call it a scam, but any Rolex will likely not lose any value in the foreseeable future unless severe economic depression
it's a fucking watch not an investment
you primarily buy watches to wear not to hold onto them like jewgold
>b-b-but they're reliable
so are citizen eco-drives at 1/100th the price

>>15394316
Regarding movements, dont get bogged down in the dogma of "must be in house, otherwise shit".
Overpriced when housing an ETA/Sellita/Miyota? Most likely. Shit? Not in the least.
The ones that use off-the-shelf movements arent necessarily bad, some companies give you the option to get a Top, or Chronometer-rated movement which is very precise and has better parts that are less susceptible to outside forces.
Is in-house really going to be better? Not likely, unless they cooked up some double-barrel week long power reserve or something (Panerai, Tudor).
If you have several watches in rotation and are pedantic about accurate time, you will either/and have a winder to keep your autos charged or and/or adjust yours precisely to Time.is every time you wind and wear it. If you have a never-take-off auto, you cant really go wrong with those higher tiers, without having to overpay (used Stowa with TOP movement). Also servicability is a factor not many talk about. If you have some issue with your inhouse piece, you are most likely to have to send it to the manufacturer, if you have a run-of-the-mill movement, your local watch repair guy, or another one can take care of it regarding spare parts and knowing what to do about it in general.

If you want absolute precision, radio controlled quartz, UHF/VHP quartz or that one Citizen novelty is a better bet than ANY mechanical.

A fashion brand has zero initiative to invest in actual quality and horology. The conglomerate owning the brand takes it as expanding their portfolio, an accessory just like sunglasses. Cheap in, slap brand name on it, expensive out. Quartz movements, or the very cheapest autos to drive the markup even further because MuH aUtoMatiK. There are oddities, of course like the ultrathin Bulgari or Bulova Curv, but those are exceptions.

>>15394316
>Another anon posted that quartz is ALWAYS more accurate. So what are you referring to in regards to the "performance" of these upper quality watches from respected watchmakers?
That has to do with watches having several complications, that sort of stuff, or optimizing their movements to be as precise as possible. That also has to do with wear and tear, the ideal case being a watch you can pass down to the next person several times and it still working without too much servicing. With USSR and East-German mechanical watches showing their age, we're now getting good examples of how much difference quality material and attention to detail can make in a movement.
>So how do I do the same with watches? I'm assuming that within even the respected watchmakers that they have "worse" product lines like fashion houses do?
Absolutely. And for this question, the best is to do your research. Since you're not going to take your watch apart yourself, then the "equivalent" of trying on pieces to check the fit and the cut is to learn as much as you can about the different aspects of a watch you're planning to get (which you should be doing anyway considering the price). Where were the different components made? How much of it is done in-house by the workshop itself VS how much is outsourced to a factory or a jeweler or someone to take care of the leather? Do other watches already use the same movement and if so, what is usually said of them? Is the price point reasonable compared to what the watch contains and does?
Some make it easy by having separate collections or subsidiaries (Grand Seiko ; Vostok as opposed to their less quality-focused Vostok Europe branch marketing to the hypebeast market and people who want footballer watches)

>>15394162
Yeah I quit after it started taking it's toll on my body plus I was tired of working outside in the heat in Florida and needed a job in some ac. Pretty similar here too, I had a quick interview and got hired right away. I did have to go for training in another state though but it was all paid for including food and the hotel.

True that, I keep anything valuable on me or at home.

>>15394316
>And on that same line, could a Gucci watch be made to a high standard like an Omega watch?
In theory nothing is stopping any fashion brand from teaming up with a legit watchmaker to do something great, or from buying a higher quality movement (not that Ronda and Miyota, or even Hangzou movements are really bad, they're just not going to be the most resistant things out there), or from pricing their watches appropriately. It just isn't their business model.
But there have been cases like this. Look at Cartier : they are a jeweler first and foremost and starting dealing with watches as jewelers for other workshops but have gradually gotten deeper and deeper into watchmaking and now develop their own movements and are one of the few people out there making tourbillions.

>>15394216
REMINDER THAT VINCERO IS A GOOD BRAND

>$650
should i buy it? thoughts?

>>15393406
what reference is this? B01?

>>15394337
The argument was that you overpay for a Rolex (which you certainly do on the grey market for many models) so I'm saying that because although you pay a higher brand premium, you don't really lose any money if you want or need to sell it in the next 10-20 years.
You think you'll get near retail for 20 year old standard Omega seamaster or whatever?


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>>15393936
10k worth for the subc date
in short you'd have a LOT of AIDS.

>>15393426
because actual pilots wear casio royales and timex weekenders

>>15394396
>sub date
Imagine getting the sub date, or thinking that the no date is somehow worse

>>15393426
why do you own a dive watch, and not Scuba? why do you own a dress watch, and not wear suits (nor are you a highly-paid CEO)? if you showed me your collection, each of your watch has a function that you don't utilize it for.

>>15394394
>durrrrrrrrrrrrrr buy a watch based on how much you can resell it for in 20 years
that's part of the scam you motherfucking retard
you are not even worth speaking to because you think a watch's primary consideration is its value as an investment
fucking jump off a roof

>>15394402
BINGO
give me a subc no date anyday so much cleaner.

What watch do incels wear?

>>15394417
They don't, legit incels are pure "why whould I wear a watch when I can look at my phone?"
If they had any sense of style, they would be able to get laid at least once.

any ideas how much it costs Rolex to produce one (1) Submariner?

>>15394417

Hey guys, what do you think of my Filippo Loreti? The watches are a limited run so it feels like I'm in an exclusive club when I wear it.

>>15394430
you're supposed to respond with rolex
>>15394442
the 16 cents an hour they pay chinese and bangladeshi laborers

>>15394442
$500 in parts, maye another $500 in labor.

>>15394448
...w2c?

>>15394454
Set up an alert on eBay and hope for the best.

>>15394442
6999.99€, that's why their prices start at 7000€
Rolex is a most honest company that would never inflate their prices and cruise on the credit they got for innovating 50 years ago and still sell a watch that has both the day AND the date for 15 grands now that it's become such a basic feature.

>>15394448
Kind of based
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=x42iNU22TVQ

>>15394468
wtf I love Swatch now

post more coomer watches

What did they mean by this?

>>15394471

>>15394405
>you think a watch's primary consideration is its value as an investment
Not for me personally, I buy for long term usage.
All luxury products are a scam to different degrees, some hold their value better than others and that's something to take into consideration when spending a lot of money, or you buy it used when it already gone down in price. I don't know what's so hard to understand about it.

>>15394471
Doxa

>>15394478
>>15394475
>>15394474
yes...YES

>>15394471
Genta, solid platinum

>>15394471
Omega

>looking for a vintage diver from a luxury brand to buy as my only watch and be done with it
>remember cheap Heuer submariner knockoffs exists
>they're fucking 3k now
wtf are these bubble fuck me in the ass prices?
bro's, why when i like a watch they're suddenly fucking expensive?

>>15394471
I don't know wtf is going on with this one.

okay thats enough, im done, thanks

>>15394491
vintage dive watches go for ridiculous amounts

Shame there isn't any better picture of the tiddies Ruhla.
Even communism can't stop a coomer.

>>15394507
who the fuck buys these

>>15394402
>>15394408

>LE HOT GIRL: "hey, what day is it today?"

>LE ANON WITH A NO DATE $20,000 SUB: "OH h-hey... *blushes*.."Errr h-hold on, let me chec--" *fumbles*

>LE CHAD WITH A $50 GSHOCK : "Well, its the 12th of July today. *BEEP* And..it also says it detects a beautiful angel nearby.." *BEEP*

later that night, anon cries himself to sleep while the chad does ass2mouth with Kimberly from the HR dept.

>>15394510
extremely rich and shameless coomers
so, indians

>>15394510
Cheeky gents who like havin a chuckle with the lads down at the pub.

>>15394514
I dunno dude, keeping a nice facade in public while the hidden side of your watch has this also sounds like a very french thing to do.

>>15394514
no dude there is no space left on their wrist from all the Rados

Are there any watches in the $250 range like this? I really like the hands on this

>>15394524
>are there pilots in the $250 range?
pretty sure there is, and that they don't have such a dumb date window too

>>15394525
Oh yeah I know that there are definitely pilots, but I want something with the hands lumed like that

Browsing Ali like I usually do and this popped up. Probably new because I haven't seen it before. I'm very tempted but not sure about £160

>>15393201
Did they surgically replace your hand with a ham?

>>15394542
is that a clock? am i retarded?

>>15394524
San martin pilots watch $150
https://sanmartinwatches.com/wp/product/sn030-g/

>>15394542
where are the lugs?

>>15394542
Steel dive has its official store on Alibaba for some reason, everyone on ali are resellers, I'm not sure if it really matters but you might want to look on there.

>>15394548
no
>>15394552
negative lug length

>>15394550
you honestly cant go wrong with these, especially since Laco is charging three times the amount for the same fucking movement

>>15394524
chang got you covered

>choice of 4 different dial types
>choice of 2 dial colours (black or green)
>choice of date or no date
>zero branding
>200WR with screw down crown
>sapphire glass
>seiko NH35 inside (hacking, handwinding)
>39mm (no dinnerplates)
>only $150

https://sanmartinwatches.com/wp/product/sn030-g/

>>15394543
that anon lost his fingers in an accident iirc

>>15394562
god I love the Chinese

>San Martin
>Pagani Design
>Cadisen
>Parnis
why do some Chink shitterbrands get more famous than others when it's all the same shoddy shit?

>>15394562
>>15394550
thanks, i'll have a look

>>15394566
well these ones have proven that they can provide value for money

>>15394566
>San Martin
higher quality and tier with lots of dive watches and seiko homages with specs seiko wouldn't give
>Pagani
lots of rolex homages
>Cadisen
super value $50 dress watches
>Parnis
tons of homages and sterile options and watch parts on sale

>>15394577
I wish San Martin had stuck with the Heimdallr name and logo

>>15394578
heimdallr still exists, dont they?
i think they are sister companies or something. Lots of these brands share oems

>>15394582
I am pretty sure they're the same factory or whatever and just keep rebranding. Originally it was something else, then they refined their watches and got Heimdallr which I liked, then they got the shark logo which I didn't like and then they became San Martin

>>15394148

>>15394577
Steeldive, Reef Tiger, and Starking are some other good names. Guanqin is alright too, but they also make some faux tourillon china shit that I am sure you have all seen.

>>15394471

>>15392578
This looks good

real talk what watch are women actually impressed by

>>15394726
flooded Hublots

>>15394726
an amex black card with a f91w taped to it

>rolex
>umh yes, I know it's late but is it be possible to buy a daytona, or a submariner perhaps?

>>15394726
the all-man man's watch

>>15394748
It's very easy to get a Daytona or Sub.

Just walk into the AD. Say you're paying MSRP and not a DOLLAR MORE. BAM, you walk out with one the next day.

>>15394726
Girls are like ''oh I like the shape of these pointy sticks. Hands? Yes! They look so pretty hihi. And the shape of the numbers are really cute too.''

''ew, I don't like that, it's too round and bulky. The big arrow looks stupid. Tuna? Because it looks like a tuna can?''

>>15394764
I asked to try on an pepsi GMT and they escorted me out of the store. I said I'd pay retail but they just laughed at me.

>>15393843
What's the purpose of a crown guard when the watch has 30m water resistance.

>>15394779
that's not a Due, you 'tard

>>15394772
I know you're joking, but I actually did have an AD refuse to let me try on a Rolex once.

I showed up in sweat pants and a Frozen t-shirt, and they wouldn't take an Oyster Perpetual out from behind the display to let me see it.

>>15394803
why did you go to the rolex AD in sweatpants and a frozen t-shirt?

>>15394806
why the fuck would an AD care?

next time you buy an expensive watch dress up like a homeless elf. it shouldn't matter.

>>15394818
because ADs are faggots

>>15394818
the image is what theyre selling since nobody needs a 5500 watch. having your slovenly ass in there undermines everything they are trying to sell. sad but true, and you consider this when youre thinking about buying any luxury good.

>>15394806
>>15394818
rolex rolex rolex

>>15394833
but why? I'm only in the store for like 10 minutes to buy an expensive watch, which they should be interested in selling to me
if they treat me rudely I will not only not spend money there, but not spend money there ever

>>15394841
i know man but ads are snobby and it ruins the illusion for people in the store or looking in the store. the ads want you to think of james bond and shit not frozen. its dumb but its the truth. your sale means little compared to preserving the luxury image.

>>15394848
>think James Bond and no Frozen

Let's be real. Frozen is more /fa/ than James Bond. You can't deny this.

Why would anyone over the age of 10 go outside in a Frozen t-shirt?

>>15394864
Disney makes some /fa/ t-shirts anon, ngl.

>>15393540
I've always heard it called a Maltese cross, but turns out they're the same thing.

>>15394880
>>15394880
>>15394880
>>15394880

>>15394803
>refused to let me try on a Rolex
Did you even tell them that you intended to buy it?

>>15394379
unsure about value but that is a really, really nice looking watch

>>15394405

But it seems as though no one in these threads actually cares about the watch's primary function of telling time. If they did, everyone would purchase a quartz watch that looks nice. But they don't.

There's literally no reason to not purchase an inexpensive quartz watch that you think looks nice if your main reason for wearing a watch is its ability to tell time correctly.

>>15393161
I never knew you lurked /wt/, nice VC btw, they all just mad.

>>15394491
Those have the James Bond tax, as the pvd lumed dial version was worn by Dalton.

>>15392480
What are some /fa/ approved watch brands?