/fa/ - Fashion

All you need to do is wash with water. Don't fall for the skincare meme

>>15313863
There's already a thread
>>15291834

Okay if any of you zoomers want clear skin but don't know how to into skincare here is an easy start:
Go get
-a bottle of Cetaphil Gentle Skin Cleanser
-a tub of Cerave Moisturizing Cream
These are ultra basic products that are inexpensive, work with most skin types, and are available at all drug stores/groceries.
Then apply them twice a day (morning and night). Maintaining a routine is the hard part.
After you've got a routine down long enough to gauge how your skin reacts do more research into other steps/products to add (sunscreen will probably be your best addition).

>>15314021
This shit made me break out like crazy

Also, sulphates and parabens lmfao

>>15314044
I've never heard of someone breaking out from Cetaphil but that's definitely possible. It's worked well for everyone I've given it to, though.
>sulphates and parabens
Yes, do not use it to wash your hair.

>>15314021
>Washing your face in the morning in the current year

Hot tip: if you suffer from even a slight case of acne, don't fall for the Cerave meme, regardless of your skin type. Both cleansers (foaming and hydrating) completely stripped my skin and made any acne treatment burn like fucking crazy, and the moisturizer lotion, which is allegedly "light", clogged my pores and gave me raging fucking angry whiteheads all over my chin and corners of mouth, worse than any acne I've ever had including high school when my hormones were wacky, ive never had skin as horrible as i did with cerave products.

get on the acne.org routine and maybe insert a thing or two from The Ordinary in there. I do the acne org routine but I use TO Marine Hyaluronics before the moisturizer because it collects moisture from the air AND contains a tiny amount of salicylic acid for a touch extra acne-killing power

I had clear skin until I was 20 then started getting acne too. For 2 years I tried acne regiments and dermatologist treatments including antibiotics but nothing helped. I said screw it and just started using CeraVe cleanser/facial moisturizer every morning and night, then my skin cleared up within months. I’ve had clear skin from 23-26 with only mild outbreaks

>>15314056
>>sulphates and parabens
>Yes, do not use it to wash your hair.

Why would you put it on your face if you wouldn't put it on you scalp?

Anyways, I recommend Dr. Bronner's Peppermint Liquid Soap if you have acne.

>>15314341
>Anyways, I recommend Dr. Bronner's Peppermint Liquid Soap if you have acne.
Are you trolling? You're not supposed to use that on your face anon. The pH is way too high to be used on facial skin, and it also has very damaging and irritating ingredients.

>>15314437
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BSm3a-LLKk

>>15314021
After applying moisturizer I usually feel hot where I applied and it and sometimes I get red, I have tried multiple ones, but they all seem to do this. Whats wrong with me?

before you try to fix your skin from the outside, I'd first start to fix my eating habits, sleep, and liquid intake. If that shit didn't improve your skin, you can start dumping money into creams etc - or depending on severity accutane.

>>15314492
>Some random retarded youtuber is paid to shill Dr Bronner so it's good.
No anon. You could simply read the ingredients list and see that it contains ingredients that are damaging to facial skin. Or google the pH and see that it is so high it will strip lipids from your face and damage your moisture barrier (which can lead to acne and other skin conditions).

>>15314527
pH is meme, you retard. It returns to normal after 20 minutes. The body knows what it's doing.

>>15314492
>Sulphates and parabens (proven to be safe, fine for most people who don't have sensitive skin, lots of peer-reviewed studies available) are bad
>A castille soap strong enough that it is advertised to be suitable for washing laundry is ok to put on your face because I saw an ad on Youtube

>>15314533
>pH is a meme
https://www.karger.com/Article/PDF/94670
https://www.karger.com/Article/Abstract/245955

My advice is to sleep on your back and don't touch your face or hair for no reason. It might not solve acne on it's own but it's not harmful for sure

WTF is up with all the young kids today and fucked up skin conditions? Spent 30 minutes on SkincareAddiction and was shocked at the images posted. I feel for you guys.

>>15314497
Do you have access to a dermatologist? They might be able to figure out the problem and solution if you give them a list of the moisturizers irritating your skin + their ingredients

>>15314104
Retard that’s clearly your skins problem because cerave has never caused me to breakout

https://vocaroo.com/ezIqzkIaFBr
not be, but a hero from /fit/

Giving Differin 6 more weeks. If the “results” are what they are now (still getting cysts 6 weeks in) I’m caving and finally going on Accutane. I’m fucking DONE

Can anyone share their hair loss experiences while on Accutane and after you completed it? It’s my only fear. I’m already taking fin for hair loss, last thing I need is to negate that with permanent hair loss.

>>15315210
A vast majority of teen girls are on birth control pills which fuck up their skin

STOP EATING DAIRY
THAT'S LITERALLY IT

I quit all milk/cheese etc. consumption and the cystic acne I had for fucking YEARS dissipated.

>>15316300
I would generally agree but Greek yogurt and kefir are God tier

>>15316300
Cut back on dairy and sweets. Work out a little and then clean your face so you sweat and your body has a chance to release toxins. Also change your sheets.

>>15315210
Processed food with shit ton of sugar + minimal sun.

>>15316504
Sun wont give you acne but it will give you freckles

>>15313863
go see a dermatologist. myself and all three of my brothers had it and after about 3 months of roaccutane we were all good. if it really is acne then all the diet and washing advice wont be worth shit

>>15316549
i'm talkin about vitamin d, boi

So /fa/ says to never put coconut oil on your face or hair because muh comedogenic. I've been using FCO for years without issue. In fact, my skin and hair has never looked better. Is it more of a long term use concern?

>>15315251
it happens all the time dumbshit. are you already acne-prone?

>>15314021
All I use is Cetaphil and my skin is very clear and blemish free. I tried adding toner/moisturizer and started breaking out. Once I went back to just Cetaphil then my skin became flawless again.

>>15315878
Yep, my fiancee doesn't use birth control and her weight is normal, has a healthy libido, and insanely clear skin. She just washes her face with cold water and boom, flawless skin. She also eats a lot of mangoes so maybe that's it

>>15316300
Quitting or reducing dairy is good advice for those who are acne-prone but it isn't literally it. It's definitely worth trying though if you have acne and haven't cut down on dairy before.
>>15316639
There's no long-term concern. It breaks many people out but it doesn't for others. If it works for you then that's really good. I've actually heard quite negative things about its use in hair products though. Something to do with the fact that it coats the hair shaft and doesn't let moisture in so it can make it more dry. But hair is pretty complicated and I don't know that much about it so I couldn't say. I know things that are good for one hair type may be bad for another.

>>15315210
Maybe there's so many terrible acne pics because of the fact that a lot more young people are 'online' now and have less qualms about posting pictures of their acne. All I know is back in the day it was really hard to find well-sourced information about acne and I had acne for like three years longer than necessary because of weird advice that would be easy to disprove today. That said, we fucked up the zoomers so bad that they can't seem to differentiate between ads and reality so maybe they fall for the same dumb advice I did in my teenager years.
>>15315878
Birth control pills are often prescribed specifically to help with acne and not just as a contraceptive. I was put on them at 15 (a very long time before I became sexually active) just for acne. That said they can fuck up your skin as well and I think it's pretty retarded to mess with your endocrine system like that, especially as a teenager. I would be interested to find out if teenagers using BC earlier is resulting in higher rates of acne. But teenage boys usually have it a lot worse than girls.

I’ve been using “Oxy pads” for about 3 weeks and I haven’t seen any improvements. At first it broke me out (even in places I don’t normally have acne) and I thought nothing of it but now on day 22 or so, I have a fuckin cystic pimple on my jaw, I haven’t had a cyst in YEARS. Can I say that I’m just purging or do I just trash the product?

>>15318181
those things are terrible for your skin. especially if you have oily skin.

anons how do I clear acne on my back? I was lucky and never got acne on my face but my back has always been fucked.

Why is my skin so shit? My body is thin, skin is perfect on my feet, belly, everywhere else. Don't have a single thing that bothers me, except for the skin on my face. I cannot stand looking at it or taking photos of it.
I'm only 19 and everyone in my family has nicer skin than me. I drink a few liters of water a day and I wash my face every morning and night.
And ignore my eyebrows, I waxed them today and fucked them.
Should I go to a dermatologist? Will my skin ever look better than this? Or is it fucked for good.

anyone have experience with microneedling? does that shit work? okay to do yourself or best done by a professional?

>>15318450
I'm not trying to be mean but I think you ought to see a dermatologist, or at least post on r/skincareaddiction

>>15318464
That's not mean. I'm thankful my skin isn't like OPs in pic related.
I'm just not sure where to go from here now that I finally have skin care routine that no longer gives me horrendous acne. Pretty sure my skin is just damaged from the years of using wrong chemicals on my face.
thanks for the advice.

>>15318472
>I'm just not sure where to go from here now that I finally have skin care routine that no longer gives me horrendous acne. Pretty sure my skin is just damaged from the years of using wrong chemicals on my face.

Do you have pockmarks? my brother was left with bad pockmarks after he started using accutane to clear up acne, but they appeared to gradually reduce with time/moisturizing

have you looked into microneedling? It's supposedly safe and effective; I haven't used it myself though, as I never had acne.

https://cdn-cms.f-static.com/uploads/1949772/normal_5d40514d7cec8.pdf

>>15318492
Nah it kinda looks like I have pockmarks but that's just the shadow. I have sensitive skin and I used this American strides face pads max strength and it really fucked my skin for a few years after using it twice.
And I'm not too sure about microneedling. It kinda looks like it fixes the issue I have. Might have a look into it.

>>15313863
Wash your face with glycerin soap every morning and night. I also use micellar water but no idea if it does something apart from removing makeup

>>15318450
What do you wash your face with? And what do you moisturize with? Your skin looks dehydrated which can cause it to be more sensitive. It also looks irritated to me.
There's no need to wash in the morning anyway, but especially not if you do have irritated or sensitive skin which it sounds like you do.
And it would probably be a good idea to go to a dermatologist.

>>15318622
>Wash your face with glycerin soap every morning and night
This is not a good idea and damages your moisture barrier. At least glycerin soap is slightly better than using regular bar soap to wash your face with. But I still don't understand why anyone would voluntarily choose to do it.

What should I wash my body with, bros? Normal soap? I occasionally get back acne but otherwise my skin is normal I think.

>>15318983
If you don't have sensitive skin or dry skin I think normal bar soap is fine for body. You should use an unfragranced cream soap though. And iiquid soap is less drying and irritating if you have issues with bar soap.

If you get bacne I would recommend a benzyl peroxide wash for that.

>>15319145
Dumb question, how do I figure if my skin is dry or sensitive? I've never touched anyone else's skin (h-haha) so I only have mine to use as baseline.

>>15316300
This is mostly true but for women it can still sporadically happen around your cycles and there's literally nothing you can do about it unless you take medication that comes with the risk of infertility.

>>15319251
It's not a dumb question. I think you would know or find out fast enough if you have sensitive skin because it gets pretty uncomfortable. I don't have sensitive but I have had sensitized skin which I think feels the same.
Usually will feel itchy, hot, burning, or stinging after using a product that is too harsh for it. It might look red, have little red dots or an unexplained rash, or be flaky.

Dry skin makes less oil so less acne prone (can still get acne though). It will feel tight after washing it. And it shows fine lines more. Smaller pores. I think your hair will get greasy more slowly as well. And you won't have shiny forehead or cheeks.
If you don't know your skin type I think you can't go far wrong if you just treat it as if it is sensitive and dry. This is totally anecdotal and I don't know how it works for other people, but I have oily skin and ever since I just started treating it as if it was dry I've had a crazy huge improvement (like from chronic acne until I was in my mid-twenties to having like 3 pimples total in five years). That could also easily be related to natural aging and hormones shit though so YMMV and I also massively improved my diet at the same time.

>>15319376
I think I should clarify that by improve my diet I don't mean I went from eating junk food to eating health food. I just went from being very underweight to eating enough calories. I don't think they've found much of a link between certain food or diets and acne, except dairy for some people.

>>15318450
how do you shave?

What helped me was switching to safety razor wet shaving. Using an alcohol-based aftershave and then moisturizing with the lightest Cetaphil.

is a regular face cleanser such as cetaphil enough for blackheads? that shit is disgusting and i have them all over my nose i have no idea what to do about them and don’t really feel like visiting a doctor. or should i pop them somehow?

>>15319625
Apparently AHA and/or BHA peeling works for that. I bought some and I'll try.

CeraVe SPF din't work for me. Left my skin irritated/reddish. I'll try Illiyoon Ceramide Ato Concentrate Cream instead. Someone has experience with that?

>>15318214
try using a body wash with SA, wash it every day

>>15319625
I think salicylic acid (BHA) is the best for blackheads. Like anon said I think AHA would help as well. But it might be too harsh to introduce them both at the same time. I also find oil cleansing really, really helpful for blackheads. I really recommend Simple hydrating oil cleanser, and massaging it into your face for a couple of minutes before washing off.

How do I make myself not sweat?

>Just ordered Cerave foaming cleanser, moisturizer, and Ordinary 0.2% retinol

Best price I could find for all 3 was £37 on Ebay, hopefully this lasts a while.

>>15321495
You will probably be fine but for future reference buying the cheapest stuff possible from ebay isn't a good idea. And buying skincare at all from Amazon is a bad idea. And the RRP at a normal pharmacy for those products is less than £37.

>>15321516
You mean the Amazon marketplace or direct from Amazon?

I'll bear what you said in mind, thanks.

>>15321535
>You mean the Amazon marketplace or direct from Amazon?
Buying off Amazon at all. The same products are kept in the same bins in the warehouse, so you can get fakes mixed in with real product and it doesn't matter if the seller you are buying from is very legit because you're not receiving a product sent directly by them. I think there are cases where the seller ships directly to you but I don't know much about that.
I don't know much about ebay so I couldn't say too much. I know it doesn't work the same way as Amazon because the seller is sending you the product directly. I know there are legit sellers on ebay. But from what I've seen those are linked to a legit store and their products are the same price.
To me it seems like if a product is so much cheaper than retail value that it would be actually beneficial for you to buy it, then that's a big concern. You can also use your own judgement, if a product isn't that popular it's less likely to be counterfeit.
In my opinion when it comes to skincare I think you should only buy from an authorized retailer. I have a lot of money to blow on skincare and my whole routine is still pretty cheap, because I think basic ass pharmacy brands are often the best. Anything that's legitimately tried and tested has been around for ages and is usually cheap and accessible.
And in the end I don't think you saved any money by buying off ebay so if I were you I would go to my local Boots or whatever. Cerave and the ordinary are both available there and are great brands, especially if price is a concern. They do delivery if that's an issue.

>>15321621
The products I got weren't the cheapest on Ebay, but they were on the cheaper side from sellers with great feedback so hopefully i'll be ok.

I didn't know that about Amazon, thanks for the heads up.

I'll bear that in mind in the future, I just looked at Boots and I could have a saved £3-4 on the cleanser at least so you're right. Thanks for all the information, will be helpful for me next time I buy some.

castor oil stinks

>>15321495
Good starting purchases, should last you a bit... but you ARE wearing suncream, right anon

PS: I prefer non-foaming cleanser for my sensitive skin and let it rest on your face for a minute or too

do i just have to wear sunscreen on skin that's exposed to the sun
is covering up enough?

i legit buy the most inexpensive shit from my local store and people (not lying to you) always comment me on how my skin looks clean and fresh.
im a guy, 27

>>15321797
>do i just have to wear sunscreen on skin that's exposed to the sun
Generally speaking, yes
>is covering up enough?
Are you going to wear a burqa?.

For someone who has a lot of dark spots on their body what skin care routine should I add?

>>15321792
>let it rest on your face for a minute or too
Why is that? I would have thought it is best to minimize contact of surfactants with skin. (As in, you should be massaging it in while it's on your face, and then wash off when finished. Rather than leaving it sit. I would do my oil cleanser for a full minute but my second cleanser like 10 seconds). But maybe it's one of those YMMV things depending completely on your skin and on what cleanser you use.

>>15321792
I've got a SPF30 Nivea cream, and a SPF50 Nivea spray from when it's really bad, I live in the UK so we don't get much sun.

>>15321832
Depends on what caused them and what they are. If they just appeared rather than you always having them then most commonly they would be age spots However these are really associated with people who are middle aged+. If you are younger you should worry a lot about how much unprotected sun exposure you are getting.
But it could also be one of a few other things which you should really go to a dermatologist or at least a doctor for (it could be something that effects your general health like hormones or diabetes). Besides the fact that you need to find out what caused them, most effective treatments for them need to be overseen by a professional anyway so you might as well.
If you refuse to see a doctor at the absolute minimum protect them from sun exposure.

>>15321878
not that guy but curious, any advice on how to deal with surface-level hot oil burns? Very small surface area, but I took several drops to the face a few days ago. Only a couple opened up but the rest just look like darkened blemishes right now. They may very well go away with time and a "normal" cleanser/moisturizer type routine, but was curious

>>15321897
I'm no doctor but I would definitely keep it moist, put an occlusive like Vaseline on it 3-4 times a day. That's what I would do with anything that has the potential to scar. Beyond that I have no idea, sorry. But good luck recovering.

To anyone else reading this if you get burned don't put an occlusive on it straight away though. I think that might trap the heat and make it worse. First just focus on cooling the burn.

>>15313863
I’m no doctor but I am autism. And have spent thousands trying brands and products.

Had perfect skin until ~ 28 when massive hormonal breakouts fucked me up.
Also couldn’t help picking. ( which is biggest mistake)

>>15322129
I’ve narrowed down to a about 20 products - and I listen to my sensitive skin - give it what it needs...
Also u don’t want to use same exact treatment products every day bc skin grows tolerance (unless retinol bc it’s a beast)

No more breakouts. Small pores. Also barely need foundation/concealer - which is a dream come true....
(I do use bb and cc creams with a lil coverage but no longer have to hide my hideous scars and break outs)

Left some of my favorite masks in Detroit so not in pic

>>15318451
Unless a professional taught you how to do it, and you are intelligent enough to take everything the professional says serious and follow through, go to a professional.

>>15322142
>u don’t want to use same exact treatment products every day bc skin grows tolerance
This isn't true. By what mechanism do you think the skin "grows tolerance" to a product? The only way what you're saying would be true is if you were using sensitizing ingredients like essential oils, which your skin could develop an allergy to due to repeated exposure. Otherwise no, that's really retarded to think could happen.

>>15314021
That cetaphil face shit works man. You gotta gently scrub with a washcloth though not just lather your greasy mitts up with the stuff. Then some kind of moisturizer and you're in the money.

>>15313863
Koreans are kinda leading the way
Asian women have always been obsessed with perfect/young skin

Affordable- cosrx. Neogen. Tonymily. Innisfree. Benton.
Alll good rep


But check in style Korean they have great sales
Including
Pyukangyul yal - love this brand, no scent, and the website has the products $10 during sales

>>15322177
Just like your hair grows a tolerance to hair products and you grow a tolerance to coffee.
But ok I’m retarded.

Yes u need to use products consistently so they work....but after a while they down work as well...which is why I switch around...
Whatever it worked for me
But I’m retarded so don’t listen to me.
Sorry for wasting all this time typing this shit up to help you fucks...only took me 5 years to get it down but go ahead and ignore what I say.

>>15322184
If you don't wash your hands prior to washing your face you might be retarded. And using a washcloth is both bad for your skin and also disgusting, unless you wash it every single time you use it. Which, if you don't know how to wash your hands I'm guessing you don't. Even if the washcloth was clean, physical exfoliation is still generally not a good idea.

What's the difference between Cetaphil and CeraVe? They look so similar

>>15322192
esl

>>15322177
Ugh u hope you have cystic acne and zits for the as long as you live

I could’ve shitposted nonsense all day but decide to do better today. But no -
SO THANK THIS SAD SPERG /fa when I go back to being a cunt

>>15322197
Yep

>>15322192
What you are saying just blatantly doesn't make sense. How do you think your skin builds a tolerance to a product? Like what would make you think that? If you actually had autism you would have done some research on skincare and your entire routine wouldn't be comprised of bloated retard "just arrived in a subscription beauty box" tier stuff and you wouldn't believe some random old wives tale about growing tolerance to a moisturizer.

>>15322211
Hahaha ok. Subscription tier?
Idk wtf that even means but you’re clearly mad you can’t afford descent products. Keep using your drugstore shit. Keep doing what you’re doing. And I’ll do the same. Just don’t come crying bc your scars and shit won’t go away.

>>15322211
I said I wasn’t a doctor. And even if your right...and the product reached potential and did it’s job - may be time to switch to something different anyway bc different stages (esp in scars) need diff treatment

I don’t expect you to wrap your head around what I Am saying...but even if what I said is perception related...changing products once in a while is not a bad thing.....unless you have perfect skin and want to change nothing

>>15322233
You don't need expensive products to have a good skincare routine. But I can see why if you would think that if you've never done any research into skincare. Most ingredients that are worthwhile have been around forever and are cheap and accessible. I have several times the budget I actually spend to blow on skincare and I don't because what I have works. And in general the more boring and bland the product is the better. But enjoy your meme brands and skincare myths that can be disproven with a few seconds of googling. I'm glad they work for you.

How do I make myself not sweat?

>>15322257
Well I agree about different stages needing different treatment. And I don't think there's anything wrong with switching up your products. It's probably a good idea every once in a while to reevaluate your routine. I just think saying you HAVE to rotate products or they won't work is really bad advice.

>>15322270
Meme brands that have been dermatologist tested and proved to work

Okie doke
Let’s see what you use——enlighten us all with you knowledge and secrets I would love to see

Inb4 the ordinary

>>15322272
are you talking about random sweating? I use to have that where I'd sweat no matter the occasion even if it was extremely cold or if I was anxious.
this sounds weird but try going to a sauna or working out until you're drenched in sweat.
i went overseas to a tropical country where i was sweating nonstop for a month in every crack and crevice of my body and when I came back I didn't sweat randomly anymore.
that's just what worked for me though

>>15322294
I mean, when the temperature is hot but others aren't sweating as easily and even when you get inside, it still takes time for you to stop sweating.

>>15322297
hmmm that I don't really know, could just be your body isn't use to the climate.

>>15322270
>>15322282
Interesting you don’t want to show Your wonderful products

>>15322282
I apologize for calling your shit meme tier. I'm genuinely glad it works for you. Maybe it's overpriced but I know Dr Jart and Laneige are really good. And I know if you have acne and find something that works you'll pay anything for it and it's worth it. But I also don't think you should say shit like your skin builds tolerance to a product if you aren't sure that is true. And if you think it's true at least explain why you think that.
My routine is really boring. I'm in the process of moving from Asian to more euro pharmacy stuff and trying to cut down on the amount of products I use.

AM
Kikumasamune Sake High Moisture Skin Toner
Cosrx 96 snail gel
Eucerin Urea repair 5% face cream
La Roche-Posay Anthelios Ultra Light Facial Sun Cream SPF50

PM
Simple hydrating cleansing oil
Cerave hydrating cleanser
Kikumasamune Sake High Moisture Skin Toner
Cosrx 96 snail gel
Eucerin Urea repair 5% face cream
(Wait 20 minutes)
0.25% Tretinoin
La Roche Posay Cicaplast B5 Baume

I usually make a vitamin C serum out of the ordinary l-ascorbic acid powder and use that in place of the toner in the morning. But I haven't been bothered recently.
And I don't think there's anything wrong with the ordinary. For the price they're very good. And I've heard their customer service is great and if you contact them they help you build a routine and use their products correctly.

>>15313863
Drink 3L of water a day. Your skin will clear up in a couple of weeks.

>>15322551
cosrx isnt bad...i recommended up here
>>15322185
for affordable stuff its great

i totally get not wanting to spend a lot of money
but sometimes you get what you pay for..ie ingredients used.

the ordinary is a perfect example of a meme brand. ive never tried it. and i doubt i will. bc they derive their ingredients from the cheapest sources and that is not always the best route for quality.

I hate to sound prissy but i have learned a long time ago - when it comes to hair, skin, and make-up....Id rather spend a few extra bucks and have quality.

again i had very bad skin it was embarrassing and ruining my self esteem. now i can leave the house without make-up.

ill be happy to retract the skin tolerance thing - bc im no fucking doctor im just sharing my experience...and as i said - could be perspective (skin changing and what not)...

either way good luck with your routine

>>15313863

be honest - are you washing your face with soap and moisturizing every day?

>>15322592
huh? Salicylic acid is fine from the ordinary prissy pussy bitch retard

>>15313863
If you get differin, retin-a or whatever, don't fall for the "put it over your moisturizer!" meme. It's night and day difference since I started putting it on my skin right after washing it.

>>15322848
Waiting after you wash your face and putting it on over moisturizer are both to reduce irritation. If you put it straight on your face and don't get irritated then there is no reason to wait. But if someone is just starting out on tret they should probably take the steps to reduce irritation because it's going to be effect them more before they've built up a tolerance to it.

>>15322923
Yeah I did it to reduce irritation, reduces the effectiveness down to nothing no matter what the studies say. You adapt anyway, it's pointless.

is paraben really bad for the body? should a man use products with it

>>15322942
If you are applying it right after washing your face then you are increasing the absorption of the product which is increasing its strength. That's probably what you are experiencing rather than all the studies being wrong.

>>15322796
enjoy the shit ingredients in your shit brand

>>15313863
if it is hormonal acne only roaccutane (and aging) can "fix" it. though 20 years of age seems a bit late for that, and too early for adult acne

those who never got results most likely had hormonal acne like me (it started when i was 12 and ceased completely at 23). usually we are the most vocal because it isn't a transitory thing and we always keep hearing retarded useless advices like "take a shower", "don't eat chocolate", and etc... but that's ONE kind of acne

My blackheads are now turning into weird filament things. Pulling them out leaves a hole in my skin which is obviously not good but leaving them in just makes them stay there until they eventually fall out by themselves and make a slightly smaller hole.
Is there anything I can do?

>>15323039
>tells me ordinary isn't too bad

> later reveals that it's shit

thanks for sabotaging

>>15324264
AM strong chemical exfoliator (toner)
PM retinal

>>15324268
i told you i dont know shit about it except that it has cheap af ingredients and that i wouldnt put it on my face...
i recommended you some descent shit too

>>15324268
the babyfacial mask is great too for resurfacing
here:
>>15322142 (pink/drunk elephant)

and sunday riley has great products too
good genes + luna is wonderful esp for drier skin people bc luna is an oil with ret here:

>>15322129

sunday riley is literally a chemist herself and i haven't tried anything by them i haven't liked

>>15314104
can vouch for ACNE.ORG info they provide is solid and their stuff is some of the cheapest around that is both vegan and unscented

I have crazy acne on my back and shoulders.

But since I nofap I have great confidence and 0 insecurity unlike these testosterone deficient coomers desperate for validation.

>>15317793
whoever replied to me last thread: thank you, i didn't expect such a helpful response

What's the best way to clean your ears? Mine look oily often.

>>15324289
lmfao
im sorry i replied in the first place about the SA.
after seeing your 20+ products its confirmed you're a retard, your opnion doesn't count.

Guys, what should I use to make these dark hands evenly toned and healthy? If you have to ask, I'm asian and have been working out lately.

>>15325442
if you saw my before and after yo would shut your greasy broke ass up

Okay so I took the advice above about a week ago and saw great results. I would wash my face with the clear non scented yellowish-clear Neutrogena bar twice a day and used CeraVe moisturizer tub in the evening.

I saw noticable improvement.

Then I added this shit (pic related) into the routine in the morning.

This shit leaves me oily and greasy all day and I have had a couple minor 24 hour zits as well.

Should I fuck off with this shit? Is sunscreen that important? If so what is a brand that isn't greasy as fuck all day?

>>15325769
I'm sorry. Pls forgive me. I am broke.

>>15324268
ordinary is poverty tier. theres way better shit if you spend more

>>15314021
yeah this made me break out way harder

>>15325737
help please ;_;

>go to doctor
>take literally the most synthetic and man made chemicals/pills the doctor will give me
>skin clears up and looks amazing with no negative side effects

fellas did i cheat the system?

>>15325796
Yes fuck that "men" shit
Cerave moistururze with SPF is fine
They make a PM too if you care
>>15325977
whats the difference between the ordinary and that Paula's choice exfoliater ???

>>15326076
there isnt one and he cant prove it because he's a retard. his own anecdotal experience doesnt count. he got fleeced like a retard from his money and bought the company employees new BMWs

>>15324264
Oil Cleansing does the trick for me.
you can also try this method >>https://fiftyshadesofsnail.com/2015/03/28/how-to-shrink-pores-temporarily-plus-3-pore-myths/

>>15325737
It just looks kinda dry to me, maybe moisturize it?
Filipinos has this whitening soap for the body you can try Kojie San is the the most common brand.

What do people do when they have too many freckles? And I don't mean cute around-the-nose freckles, I mean having your entire fucking body covered in dots.

>>15326739
i have them
wear sunscreen...really the only thing you can do is prevent more

>>15313863
wash your face multiple times a day. I had bad acne up until about age 19-20. real bad from 12-18 but it cleared up. since my early 20s thought I've built a habit of washing my greasy face at least 4 times a day. my face gets so fucking greasy. good luck op. wash that face

>>15318450
wash your face more anon. and you're still young, I wouldn't worry. I bet in your 20s it isn't bad. ddoesn't even look near as bad as what I had from 15-20

Does mewing work? Considering trying it.

>>15313863
Okay I need to buy a new SPF
Can someone recommend me smth that doesn't leave a shiny oily look but also doesn't cost a fuck ton?
Otherwise I will just blindly try some product again

>>15326076
>Cerave moistururze with SPF is fine
It doesn't work for everyone. I had a bad reaction to it and after looking a bit on the internet I'm far from the only who had the same problem.

>>15327194
Ok, since you also are having breakouts with some moisturizers why don't you recommend some that may work for that fella? Instead of being like "no! it didnt work for me!" lol...

>>15322592
Everyone's skin is different and will react differently to different products. The idea that spending more money will always get you a better quality product is incorrect. I've seen absolute shit at every price point. And for example Asian skincare is usually very high quality at a comparatively very low price point.
I think in a skincare thread like this, most people asking questions don't even have a basic routine. It's going to make a lot more . It makes a lot more sense to me to recommend them stuff that's cheaper, accessible, high quality, and bland. Recommending expensive stuff that has a lot of superfluous ingredients is only going to cause unnecessary issues if the product doesn't work for them (they won't be able to figure out if a specific ingredient is causing them trouble, they won't be able to figure out if a specific ingredient is what is working very well, they will waste money, the vast majority of people have to try out loads of products before finding a routine they like, more likely to have a bad reaction than with basic unfragranced pharmacy stuff). If someone had tried brands like lrp and cerave and didn't like them I would be happier to recommend them something else then.

And for my routine it isn't that I don't want to spend more money. I used to only use sk-ii and sulwashoo which probably tells you something about how much money I am willing to spend. I had acne for a very long time so I get being willing to spend anything. I just think it isn't always necessary and the products I think are the by far the most likely to help with acne or any specific skin issue are usually pharmacy stuff. Especially considering that any actually proven effective medicated treatment for acne is going to be quite harsh and usually needs a bland routine to be tolerable.

>>15322592
Everyone's skin is different and will react differently to different products. The idea that spending more money will always get you a better quality product is incorrect. I've seen absolute shit at every price point. And for example Asian skincare is usually very high quality at a comparatively very low price point.
I think in a skincare thread like this, most people asking questions don't even have a basic routine. It makes a lot more sense to me to recommend them stuff that's cheaper, accessible, high quality, and bland. Recommending expensive stuff that has a lot of superfluous ingredients is only going to cause unnecessary issues if the product doesn't work for them (they won't be able to figure out if a specific ingredient is causing them trouble, they won't be able to figure out if a specific ingredient is what is working very well, they will waste money, the vast majority of people have to try out loads of products before finding a routine they like, more likely to have a bad reaction than with basic unfragranced pharmacy stuff). If someone had tried brands like lrp and cerave and didn't like them I would be happier to recommend them something else then.

And for my routine it isn't that I don't want to spend more money. I used to only use sk-ii and sulwashoo which probably tells you something about how much money I am willing to spend. I had acne for a very long time so I get being willing to spend anything. I just think it isn't always necessary and the products I think are the by far the most likely to help with acne or any specific skin issue are usually pharmacy stuff. Especially considering that any actually proven effective medicated treatment for acne is going to be quite harsh and usually needs a bland routine to be tolerable.

i want to get myself started on retin seeing as how it’s the summer and ain’t much to do with this BS virus going on so i figure this is the best time to start, should i go with something like pic related or go straight in with a 0.5? i have tough oily skin if that means anything

any experience with keratosis pilaris/chicken skin on the face and hairline? thought i'd developed regular ass adult acne the last few years but the more time goes on the more i see similarities with the hard kernels on my arms. pretty convinced it's mild KP.

tying my hair up for sleep and regular use of glycolic and lactic toners has helped a bunch, but i'd like to bury this thing for good. i have highly sensitive, somewhat dry skin (with light T-zone oil). current routine is simple - cleanse/moisturize/sunscreen in the morning, cleanse/moisturize/every-other-day toner at night. skin reacted poorly to retinol use in the past but i was also a skincare cretin back then. any reccos appreciated

>>15327426
Not breakouts. Reddish/irritated skin. And I have no idea. I've ask the same question in this very thread. I went with Illiyoon Ceramide Ato Concentrate Cream and I'll have to try once I've received.

Just saying that CeraVe might not work for everyone.

>>15314021
Ok but why is my skin worse over the last two weeks after I started doing this shit. Isn't it supposed to get better?

>>15327871
Ok I'm sorry

>>15326877
>>15326874
>>15318450

holy shit dont wash your face 4x/day
youll fuck up the oils and then your skin will start overproducing - and therefore clogging up pores even more

you can however - use micellar water and wipe with a pad
something like the green(left side) here
>>15322129

and use soothing/calming products

and i cant say enough USE RETINOL
i swear to god its a game changer on more levels than one

when i had enflamed zits and irritated skin (before i got the pimple dots/better masks)
i used to put a bunch of aloe (99%) its in the second pic

both the product i recommended were ~5

>>15327997
meant to say 99% aloe stuff OVER NIGHT

>>15327860
It sounds like it could be fungal acne to me. Does this sound like it? https://www.dermatologytimes.com/view/it-acne-or-pityrosporum-folliculitis

>>15327999
Do you find that 99% aloe is irritating at all? It has a few irritating ingredients I would recommend something like fruit of the earth aloe gel if you do.

>>15313863
go oustide you paranoid freak
sunlight is good for your skin
also eat better

>>15328446
uh...

>>15328291
can't say for sure without seeing a derm but i tried ketoconazole for a month last year with no luck. the buildups responded really well to increased toner usage, just not 100% gone

>>15328362
um nah...and i have sensitive skin
i can't exactly speak for yours

i don't have a clue what the ingredients are bc they're all in some asian language

im assuming mostly preservatives if its 99%aloe extract, glycerin, alcohol denat to help "seep" into your skin.

for the cheaper products i always go to the asian brands. that particular one is "JEJU" aloe extract...and i dont know what that is but ive seen "JEJU" thrown around a lot of high rated products in korean skincare

>>15315434
Damn, based anon

>>15327997
Started using bha about 3 weeks ago. Have been purging a bit but now it seems to calm down and get better. You think I should introduce retinol into my routine aswell?

Guys I just put some benzoyl peroxide on a recurring zit and it popped. Did the shit work super fast or was that bad?

>>15315434 didnt listen to it all but just fyi
bi OR
bee-your-ey

thats neither here nor there
just wanted to let you know

charcoal is good at pulling shit out - its like a magnet..pulls out dirt and bacteria..even moderately works on teeth whitening...hair products too (tho can be drying)

>cerave
>salic acid scrub
>sunscreen(day)/moisturizer(night)
I've been doing this for a month and nothing has changed. What gives? Yes I change and clean my sheets and drink a lot of water.

Is Niacinamide Serum any good or just a meme?

>>15328912
see....people call me stupid bc i get quality products

its not like i didn't start with cheaper shit on my skincare journey

you just need better products bb

the whole - dont need to $pend for quality
is the dumbest thing ive heard

>>15327829
Always start slow with a product like this.

>>15328912
Depends on what your goal is.

If it's acne, Cosrx Salicylic acid face wash dried me out really badly but I can use Paula choice or Cosrx BHA toner no problem. Unfortunately, it's really just trial and error to figure out what works best for you. It could also be diet like oily foods and coffee apparently.

>>15328938
My diet could be a lot better. I'm skelly and most of my actual meals are clean but I eat a lot of junk snacks.

I had severe backne when I was in my late teens, and I mean severe. It was incredibly painful and would crack and bleed at the slightest friction, it got so bad that I had to sleep on my stomach or else my sheets would be soaked in blood in the morning.

I tried various dermatological treatments but none of them worked, what eventually got rid of it was a better diet. I cut out dairy products almost completely, heavily reduced fat consumption and generally avoided greasy food. Also started drinking a lot more water. The effects were instantly noticeable, within weeks my back was less swollen and the redness was starting to fade, until it eventually cleared up completely after about 2 years. Left only minor scarring considering how bad it was.

I'm not saying that dermatological treatments don't work and that you shouldn't try them, but they didn't work in my case.

Just got my free 15 day trail from Riversol! What should I expect?

Ran out of moisturizer and started using beard oil on my face. My complexion has never looked better. Basically just fractionated coconut oil, avocado oil and cedarwood EO.

>>15328920
If your routine is so good then why are you aging worse than an alcoholic smoker?

>>15328938
>Always start slow with a product like this.
the la posay is a 0.3% but it’s diluted with other products so i believe i should be fine with that, i was considering trying out TO’s squalane retinol

>>15313863
I am still looking for a good sunscreen that isn' shiny and expensive.

Can someone please recommend me a sunscreen.

You post a product and get replies saying its shit, this brand is garbage this other one too.

Just say what you use...

>>15329818
I'm using COSRX Shield fit All Green Comfort Sun and I really like it. Gives a very small white cast but barely noticeable, at first its really shiny but if you tap it good into your skin and wait 5-10 minutes it becomes pretty matte. I also used Missha All-around Safe Block Soft Finish Sun Milk which is even more matte but it really dries out my skin.

>>15313863
Your hormones are fucked up,
your microbiome is fucked up,
you have mild organ damage,
your arteries are clogged,
you have a weakened skin barrier...

Any or all of the above. Exercise regularly, eat fiber from various fruits and vegetables, stop drinking things like milk and reduce processed foods and sugar, eat fermented foods.

>but that's hard so I'm inclined to doubt you to make myself feel better

Well get fucked, I don't care. 4chan is a joke. What are you even reading these comments for? Just go do real research from medical journals.

>but I'm a fucking retard and I doubt my ability to understand those articles

Get murdered.

>Go out of my way not to eat sugary foods whatsoever.
>Skin is better than ever.
>Had a light breakfast yesterday, so I added a berry cobbler to my lunch.
>By evening time, I already had two small pustules below my mouth.
I can handle dairy in small amounts, but sugar really is the enemy. Fuck the American nutritional system for having it everywhere.

>>15330024
What if you do all that and you still have acne?

>>15328779
ok - so things can get a little complicating obviously...esp when using strong products.

i definitely recommend retinol.
did more for me than BHA

you can use retinol and BHA just not same day

IE if you used bha
(paulas choice is on sale for $8 rn btw) i kinda stopped using strong toners bc retinol and peel masks are plenty for me..i used ph balancing toners

overdoing skincare treatment is noo bueno

AND ALL THESE PEOPLE RECOMMENDING STRONG SA FACE WASHES...

maybe it works for them but it didnt for me

I use a PH balancing/very gentle cleansers
(bc you dont want to over do shit) drying our your skin is just as bad bc then you overproduce oils (clogging up your shit causing break outs)

also i recommend a toner and or essence - which is to help neutralize&moisten skin ESP IF YOU USED SOME CRAZY ANTI ACNE CLEANSER

everyone's skin is so different. it took me 2 years and thousands of dollars to find what works...

i know this is too much and too messy atm
i might put up my ruitine..with when/why/how (and b4 and afters)

all i can say is LISTEN TO YOUR SKIN
yes i have 30 different products - I DONT USE THEM DAILY...I use 3-8 per session, depending on whats going on with skin.

>>15330110
Avoid any stress in your daily life. If needed, try meditation (I can't vouch for it personally), but definitely cut out any negative interactions you have. Getting more sleep always helps.
Worse comes to worse, see a dermatologist. Be honest, give them your routine, and see what prescriptions they suggest. It might take a few trials and errors, but you might find the best fit for you.

>>15314437
>>15314527
>>15314543
Would diluting the soap help?

>>15329818
If your main concerns are price and cosmetic elegance then your best bet is definitely asian suncreams. Especially to avoid shine. Bioré UV Watery Essence is one of the most popular and one that people say in particular doesn't leave them shiny.

>>15330155
I wouldn't take a product unsuitable for facial skin and mix it will water to try to make it less shit.

>>15328920
What do you recommend for a chemical exfoliant? What specific product?

>>15322142
>>15322129
How did you get rid of your indented scars?

been using this "ball wax" for about a month now, and i gotta say, they have never been softer, skin is stretchier, they hang lower, and despite the last 2 weeks being hot as shit, sweaty balls are at a minimum.
10/10 the skin of my balls have never been better

what do you guys use on your nuts?

The sticky says peppermint in hair products is bad, but doesn't elaborate on why. Can someone explain?

Your skin is probably dry and irritated from spending more time indoors. The answer is a double cleanse.

At night:
Albolene
Cerave hydrating cleanser
Night moisturizer (I use cetaphil for red skin but the regular cerave one is good, too)

Day:
Cerave day moisturizer with 30spf

I don’t recommend washing your face twice. Just put on the day cream.

How can I fix atrophic indented acne scars like this? Thanks.

>>15331002
depends on how deep they are
microdermabrasion and chemical peels you can do at home
(these will take the top layer of skin off....and obv have something to calm the effects...and products to help the skin regenerate, to make process faster.)

i didnt have a lot of crater like scars - but the ones i did have - i got rid of with strong resurfacing masks. this got rid of the discoloration too. i got results when i started using quality products. which can be kinda pricey. idk your budget.
but the people that say you can get the same quality of ingredients at drugs stored are just not in the position to give advice.

but for the more serious and deep scars- you need to see a specialist that can do the procedures like lazers and microneedling

start with strong peels
dont overdo it! esp if youre doing microdermabrasion
(i used to do each one every 3 days)
you cant overwhelm your skin though

you need to tone it and settle the PH
use very gentle cleanser
calming stuff
SPF
and dont let it get dry

CICA has been a savior for me - it helps heal
and there are all sorts of products with it

anyways this post was a mess and im too lazy to read/fix it

sorry

>>15331100
What masks/peels did you use? Is The Ordinary's 30% AHA and 2% BHA good enough?

>>15313863

My skin has sucked since I was 14, I am 26 turning 27 soon. It's gotten better in the past 4 years, but my nose is still terrible with sebaceous filaments that were caused by my retarded ass using rubbing alcohol on my face from 13 to almost 15. So now it's constantly blocked even when they are cleared, they fill up instantly.

>>15331109
have you been using anything like this as of yet?
you dont want to dive head first into the kitty pool.

i forgot to mention retinol.
i can repeat myself enough - best thing that ever happened to me

>>15331128
I've been using Retin-A 0.05% for almost 1 year.
I've also tried >>15331109 once a week for a few times.

>>15331172
have they been helping?

>>15331213
No I can't tell :(

>>15331172

i dont necessarily want to shit on the ordinary
but the reason they are so cheap is bc they find the cheapest ingredients

thats not necessarily best for your skin

>>15331218
Then what acid do you use to resurface scars?

>>15331216

ive used 1% retinol from drunk elephant and its amazing. i can only use it 3x wk bc its so strong

expensive....but this stuff literally "peels" your skin...
i end up using products to calm and soothe it
but its great for pores/wrinkles/scars (which i dont really have any left)


there are a lot of great resurfacing masks

i had terrible scars - now i can leave house sans make up

but for me it was the expensive stuff that made a difference

anyways...
im not in the right state of mind to be doing this/giving solid advice..(tired+wine)
esp bc i use different stuff now than i did then (when face was fucked).....

ill be back tho

do you have a budget?

>>15331225
I just want to know what resurfacing masks you used that were so effective for your scars. Were they even indented scars or just red flat ones?

>>15331219
i would get on a good retinol first

you cant overdo the stuff

kinda add one product at a time

like i said atm im not in shape to be doing this but i dont mind tomorrow...
bc trust me i know
there were times i refused to leave the house bc of face
and i picked

ill come find you bb...start a thread if i need to
....ill call you Loo

>>15331229
all types

not super indented

babyfacial by Drunk elephant
tata harper resurfacing
those were my 2 faves

but listen - RETINOL!

and you need a calm ph balancing cleanser not some SA shit bc overdoing and overstressing stuff is gonna be bad...
thats why im saying dont just jump on this shit without knowing how to handle it

thats why im scared to just say hey - go use this - bc these things will burn your face if not used correctly

>>15331236
I use Retin-A 0.05%. That's a retinoid.

10 times stronger than the retinol you use and only available through prescription.

>>15331241
dont ever retinol and peel on same day

again thats why i feel like i need to spell this out

i burned my face by not doing it right

not using a toner

and there are steps and order if you want your skin cells to regenerate faster

sorry im probably not making much sense

>>15331242
and you cant tell if it works?

>>15331249
It's ok. I think your scars were only surface level and not atrophic (indented).

>>15331252
desu for me the dermatologists and all their BS didn't work for me either...i literally though it was some racket


not saying i know more than your doctor
but i gave up on perscription BS 5 years ago

>>15331252
i watched about 1000 youtube videos on skincare
and curated my own thing...which took a while

but i definitely saw videos about different scars and how to deal with them

like i said - i had indentations, milia, everything you can think of....maybe not as deep as yours but keep using shit that regenerates and resurfaces and it will go away

>>15322129
>>15322142
How many years did it take to fix your shit?

>>15331297
it took me a few years to find the right products

bc i would overwhelm my shit with all sorts of acne fighting BS

when in reality you need cleanser/toner to calm your skin and that is gentle

and then use 1 - 2 treament things

again its finding a regime than works

like i said i have a bunch of shit and i just "listen" and use what i need to

retinol - a good one...was what made a big difference

and a soothing moisturizer


cerave and all that bulshit - didnt work and even broke me out (moisturizer)

i have sensitive skin

>>15331297
but to answer your question - within 2 months most of the discoloration faded...the deeper scars on my chin im still dealing with.

>>15331225
So when to you apply that retinol? Like Cleanse -> Tone-> Retinol -> moisturize? srry if dumb question

>>15331403
exactly
(just not one of those exfoliating toners!...a ph balanxing toner...and retinol only at night)

its not a dumb question...trust me

>>15331403
>>15331411
also i let the retinol sink in for 3 min or so,
then i moisturize

>>15331411
>>15331413
cool thank you! I've been using Pyunkang Yul Essence Toner

What's some good routine for my feet? I get this fucking disgusting dead thick layer on my sole

>>15331425
great stuff
i used that for a while
probably will get some again when sale goes on

stop drinking milk

>>15331074
>>15331075
Anybody please?

>>15331429
At least it isn't on your face you ungrateful ape.

>>15331074
Prescription strength retinol and/or laser resurfacing or microneedling.

>>15331429
at night slather on a thick ass layer of coco butter
i means a fuck ton...too much even
and then put socks on and go to bed

do this a few times in addition to using a scrub in shower and youll have normal feets in no time


and then ofc repeat once in a while

>>15331429
Get a chemical callus remover. Use a rasp for regular maintenance.

>>15331452
How many microneedlings required before there are good results?

>>15314021
>Cetaphil
lol that shit is some of the worst.

>>15314104
Currently using skinceuticals retinol thats my holy grail. I used The Ordinary at first to build up tolerance and its pretty good too
>don't fall for the Cerave meme
Ur skin fkn weak. The hydrating one is lite compared to Korean ones ive tried

>>15316300
Can you imagine being lactose intolerant? Chill there, mutt.

>>15331476
Please help...

>>15331311
Retinol won't do jack shit compared to retin-a. Anyone with serious scarring will be disappointed if they go for retinol, just a warning.

>>15332041
Do you use it?

Bought a hada labo facial wash that gave me an allergic reaction... What's the best facial wash for really sensitive skin?

>>15332471
I think la roche posay toleraine cleanser is as gentle as you can get. What hada labo cleanser did you use?

>>15332471
khiels calendula
followed by that toner
LOVED IT and even though it can be pricey by some peoples standards - it lasted forever and didnt disappoint ---->

i took a chance and bought some cheap (the face shop) aloe very green tea BS and am paying the consequences
literally first zit in a year or so is creeping up

thank god for peter thomas roth dots

FUCK ME

i said it before and ill say it again

(unless you get lucky af....you get what you pay for)


i like laneige calming (pink) one too and its not too expensive...even though people claim its a meme brand

>>15332708
Believe whatever you like about price and quality, but the products you are recommending have sensitizing ingredients in them that aren't suitable for sensitive skin. If someone is having an allergic reaction to a wash off product they have seriously sensitive skin and need hypoallergenic products. The calendula cleanser you are recommending has a lot of ingredients which are harmful for sensitive skin and it also is full of allergens. Why would you recommend that? Price shouldn't be your only reference point for if something is good or not, you can also read the ingredients.

whats a good starter cleanser and moisturizer with spf routine (for men)
I don't have that bad skin already (minimal acne) so I just want something simple to improve my skin also something that is at a reasonable price

has anyone used this?
I know that sometimes certain products can make stuff worse for people and I just want something that will improve my skin with low risk of fucking it up

>>15318450
honestly I recommend a chemical peel for this guy

>>15332742
you believe whatever you like too bb

khiels has been around for eternity
bc theyre good products

you're throwing around skincare terminology like hypoallergenic - but do you really know what they are esp in relation to this brand and to specific skintypes?

im no dermatologist

so im just going to stop posting in these threads

people like you are scum who need to put down other peoples recommendations when you never tried them yourself

keep using the ordinary and cerave go ahead
and keep looking here for advice bc youll be needing it

i for one dont need to be here - i legit came to this thread to share what helped me go from disgusting/cant leave the house TO leave house wout makeup

>>15333313
I don't know why you're calling me scum. I just pointed out why your recommendation was poor. I didn't mean to personally offend you.
Hypoallergenic means it is unlikely to cause an allergic reaction (what that poster was specifically asking for). There isn't exactly a solid definition on that but at the least a hypoallergenic product won't contain common allergens. Yes, khiels have been around for a long time and have good products. But the cleanser you recommended has a lot of allergens in it and is much harsher than the cleanser that the poster said gave them an allergic reaction (all hada labo cleansers I know of are relatively mild/non-sensitizing compared to that cleanser).
I'm like you in that I don't need skincare advice. I haven't been to this board in like ten years and I'm only here because of quarantine boredom. I just wanted to share what I've learned after about ten years of having persistent acne and now having gone five years without even a pimple. I think it would be great if you also shared your knowledge, bu it isn't so useful if your only reference point for finding something good is it's price. I don't have any problem with expensive products like you're implying. Like I already said, I've seen good and bad at every price point. Sometimes paying more does get you a better product. Sometimes it doesn't. If someone's had an allergic reaction to a face wash, I personally wouldn't recommend them a much harsher face wash that has much more allergens in it. But I'm sure having an alternative viewpoint is always valuable.

>t-zone and forehead practically drip with oil
>edges of my face and also somehow the edges of my nose are so dry they constantly flake

Is there any way to remedy this without spending 30 minutes a day using a bunch of different products, "combination" products do nothing but dry me out entirely
It was even like this when I ate healthy

>>15322551
insanely long list

>>15333609
sounds like you have combination skin, what does your routine look like?

>>15333625
I'll be honest, I really haven't done much, spending as much money as I did on a product that did the thing the websites said should never happen really discouraged me

But for the time I did try, I had a hot shower, wetted my face with cool/warm water, used sensitive skin no alcohol face cleanser, which literally said on the thing that it wouldn't dry skin over and over, and then moisturized, I didn't bother using toner
my skin felt tight and dry every time I used it, it wasn't pleasant so I stopped bothering and consigned to just having shitty skin for the rest of my life
I just looked through my cupboard and apparently I tried 2 different ones, apparently both went the exact same way because I don't remember any sort of difference

>>15333167
What kind of peel?

>>15333649
have you dabbled in bha/aha toners/cleansers at all?
you could be overwashing... have you tried just washing with water in the morning then doing the rest of your routine and only using a cleanser at night?
that helped with my oily tzone and the dry parts of my face
my routine goes like this usually

AM
>wash with water
>bha toner pad
>(optional)vit c serum
>moisturize
PM
>aha cleanser
>(optional serum)
>moisturize
sometimes i will use a hydrating cleanser like once or twice a week and remove the chemical exfoliaters so i can then use a retinol serum at the end of the day

>>15333663
I don't even know what bha or aha stands for or what toners are supposed to do, that should give you a good idea of where I'm at
I'll look into what you posted and try it though, thank you

>>15333668
chemical exfoliants(bha/aha) should be a primary part of your routine. toners aren't really important per say they're more like fluff if you ask me depending on the ingredients but if it includes a chemical exfoliant then it's good in my book.
AHA should only be used at night time because your skin will be more sensitive to the sun, also use sunscreen if you go out during the day.
desu i still get a bit of oiliness albeit nowhere near as bad as I used to, but i'll still use a matte setting spray if im going out

>>15333623
Yeah it's retarded long and that's after making a concerted effort to cut down. However I combine the toner, snail gel, and eucerin into one step pretty much (moisturizing step). It takes me like 2 minutes in the morning and maybe 5 minutes max at night (not counting wait times in which I go do other shit before applying suncream in the AM and tret in the PM). In PM the double cleanse + moisturize + tret + occlusive are non-negotiable. In AM the moisturize + SPF are non-negotiable. So I can't cut it down more at the moment unless I find a product that can replace at least two out of the toner/snail gel/basic moisturizer. I'm open to suggestions though.

if you want to do the absolute bare minimum is moisturising still good for your face even without cleanser

>>15331249
I was right. I saw your picture in another thread.

Your skin is perfect and I doubt you ever suffered from acne or scarring and so you shouldn't even be dishing out advice for that here.

can anybody help me?

>>15331429
I used a foot peel and layers of skin peeled off in a week. The brand unused was footner. Though my feet are a little sensitive now which is no big deal.

>>15331476
>>15331877
If you search simpleskincarescience dermarolling, it might take about a year to them to go away, depending how deep your scars are.

>>15333609
maybe you have dehydrated skin? a good moisturizer can help reduce oil production and dry skin.

>>15334087
I don't really want to believe that desu, considering I constantly drink water

>>15334103
I mean the water on your face can dry up. That's why moisturizers have occlusive agents. They prevent water loss. Hot showers ironically dry up your skin too but I'm not sure on the science behind that.

holy shit is it even worth it to mess around with this shit it seems like youre more likely to get worse skin for a while before finding anything good

>>15334144
It really depends on your self esteem and perseverance. If you're happy with your skin then more power to you.

>>15334144
>worth it to mess around with this shit
What are you referring to?

>>15334087
Can pitted scars really go away?

>>15334419
Can they? Guys?

I finally got to see a dermatologist and got prescribed econazole for my face. It wasn't acne vulgaris, bros. It was some fuckin' fungus. My skin has never been clearer and I've only been applying this stuff for two days.

>>15334144
You can lessen the risk of getting adverse reactions by checking ingredients lists and taking note of which things irritate your skin. Always patch test things first and slowly add things to your routine.

Keeping things minimal is also good. Products don't have to be expensive and you shouldn't fall for the bullshit 11-step skincare rituals. Expensive ass creams and shit are usually loaded with fragrances and have actives that can be found in lesser-priced alternatives. Keep it simple.

>>15334046
Heloooop

>>15332670
this one and gonna check that la roche possay
>>15332708
>khiels calendula
gonna check it out too

>>15327829
this product is good and strong enough, made my skin flaky and very dry when using every night

so use it sparingly at first

>>15334530
Did you look up "simpleskincarescience dermarolling"? Theres literally before and after pictures and the guy explains the whole science behind it too.

>>15334122
Hot water can strip your skin of lipids (the same as a harsh cleanser would). The lipid barrier is on the top layer of our skin and helps prevent water loss from lower levels of the skin. If you fuck up your lipid barrier, your skin can become dehydrated (lacking in water).

>>15334538
Are you the anon with the KP-like acne on his face?

>>15334046
hyluronic acid fillers is good for pitted scars and less downtime/potential of permanent damage compared to laser treatments

>>15331434
why is milk bad?

>>15334046
Please see a dermatologist. There are several options available to you. I've not dealt with pitted scarring personally but I have some knowledge. Besides tret, vitamin c, and at home chemical peels (e.g. the ordinary 30% one) I am not aware of any effective at-home treatments.

>#1 wear good suncream every day (probably mineral if you are getting professional scar treatments. Don't quote me on that though)
>Professional resurfacing procedures (laser, chemical peeling, dermabrasion)
>Microneedling (please see a professional)
>Tretinoin (not retinol)
>Vitamin C
>Silicone sheets/gel (on scars that are newer)
>Scar surgery
>Fillers (I think usually these might be temporary, 18months. I think some are permanent)

>>15335911
>A growing body of evidence underlines the role of insulin resistance with increased insulin/IGF‐1 signalling in the pathogenesis of acne. IGF‐1 is the key hormonal mediator regulating adreno‐gonadal androgen synthesis, amplifying cutaneous androgen activity and stimulating proliferation of sebaceous follicle. Endocrine diseases or nutritional influences leading to increased insulin and IGF‐1 serum levels are frequently associated with acne (Table 1). IGF‐1 mediates the action of pituitary GH during puberty, the induction of androgen production and stimulation of peripheral androgen metabolism. Milk consumption and hyperglycaemic diets can induce insulin and IGF‐1‐mediated PI3K/Akt‐activation inducing sebaceous lipogenesis, sebocyte and keratinocyte proliferation, which can aggravate acne.
>https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1600-0625.2009.00924.x

>>15335976
So what do I do if I really like drinking milk? I only drink milk and water. Am I just supposed to stop?
My skin is pretty good apart from blackheads but trying the the charcoal facewash thing for that.

>>15335990
If your skin is pretty good and the milk isn't giving you acne you don't need to stop drinking it. I drink a lot of milk and don't get any acne from it. Everyone's skin is different.
What charcoal facewash are you using? Salyclic acid is the best treatment for blackheads. I would also recommend double cleansing with an oil/balm cleanser and then a gentle second cleanser.

>>15336005
I'm just following >>15315434

>>15336085
I agree with what he says about bar soap (it sucks shit and shouldn’t go near your face). I don’t think the cleanser he recommends is very good. A cleanser with those ingredients I wouldn’t be comfortable leaving on my face for very long like he suggests (it’s pretty harsh, and I think it poses a danger of stripping your lipid barrier, and it has irritating ingredients which I don’t think should be left on wet skin for an extended period of time). If it works for you that’s good though and I would continue. If it isn’t working I would recommend an oil/balm first cleanser and a gentle second cleanser. (You could use that charcoal wash as a second cleanser, I would wash it off pretty quickly though). I agree with what he said about moisturising every day though and I like the moisturiser he recommends, a lot of people swear by it.

Also buying skincare on Amazon is not necessarily a great idea. Because of the way they fulfil their orders. The same stock is kept in the same bins in the warehouse (or something like that), so regardless if you are buying from a legit seller or not you can get a fake as all the stock is stored together. Cerave facial moisturising cream is extremely popular so maybe it is something that is faked. I’m not an expert. But they sell it in any pharmacy so that’s where I would be comfortable buying it from.

Also your blackheads might be sebaceous filaments. I think this guide was already posted in the thread, it’s good: https://fiftyshadesofsnail.com/2015/03/28/how-to-shrink-pores-temporarily-plus-3-pore-myths/.. And if they are blackheads this method will help a lot anyway.

Salicylic acid will help the most with blackheads I think. Adapalene would help a lot as well.

I bought this sunscreen because the protection is great, but it leaves white flakes on my face sometimes. Is there a better SPF50+ and PA++++ sunscreen out there that won't do that? Physical sunscreen preferred

>>15336401
Biore UV Aqua Rich, has a bit of a smell but it goes away after a couple of minutes

>>15336562
when i use that i don't even feel like i have anything on my skin and worry if there's really anything protecting me from the sun

>>15336566
https://youtu.be/ElKZdoVPyvg?t=427

How can I fix my pitted scars? Please and thank you.

>>15335911
breaks you out
like caffeine an sugar

>>15336750
You shut up. You never had a breakout in your life.

Do I still need to use moisturizer if my skin is oily? I feel like it makes it worse.

>>15336847
Yes keep using it but make sure the moisturizer is very light one that I like is versed dew point moisturizing gel cream

>>15336847
Usually, skin overproduced oil because there's not enough water in your skin, aka dehydrated skin. Moisturizers helps with that, just a matter of finding one that works for you and make sure your cleanser isn't too stripping. You can also look into hydrating toners if you don't want to use creams.

>>15336857
>>15336861
Right now I just use moisturizers I get for free from work (a drugstore). I have a big bottle of Hawaiian Tropic I'm going through and a small one of Aveeno. Is one better than the other? The Hawaiian Tropic also smells funny, like a gym locker room.

>>15336714
Hello please.

>>15336870
I haven't used either products to be honest so I can't say. If you don't like the smell of Hawaiian tropic. You're more likely to use a product consistently if you like it.

>>15336714
>>15336875
Read the thread. It gets asked pretty often. Someone even made a separate post about it >>15329036

>>15336929
>If you don't like the smell of Hawaiian tropic

Fuck I ment to say that if you don't like the smell, try something else.

>>15334843
This shit gave me irritant contact dermatitis.

>>15315210
people have always had acne you fucking moron

>>15337052
Wow why so hostile?

I wash face with water only, moisturize while my face is still damp. Skin is getting better

>>15336714
Any fix

>>15316562
you can get all of your vitamin d from milk or if you're on no dairy, a vitamin d supplement

>>15331015
General body moisturizer? Dunno, what's special about the balls that they need their own product? And what does the product have that you can't find in a general lotion?

>>15336579
So Biore has fragrance? Why do you guys always recommend it and then say not to get fragrance products in the same breathe?

this shit is so stressing im just going to a doctor fuck this

>>15337896
There is more than one person making recommendations in this thread. I would personally recommend to avoid fragrance but it's worse in certain products than in others. For example in a product with alcohol content, the alcohol will allow the fragrance to penetrate much deeper and be far more irritating. In a cleanser a fragrance isn't as irritating because you wash it off immediately. I wouldn't recommend any product with fragrance usually, but the biore is very popular and if it works for you skin then go ahead.

>>15336870
Hawaiian tropic is for people who don't wear sun protection except when they are on their annual 2 week sun holiday.

>>15315210
wow.. finding people with acne on skincare forums.. how surprising

Do the needful

Hello fellow bros,
Anyone know why I get a much smoother shave when waiting 2+ days between shaving? It's much closer and less irritating if I wait. And is that normal? This happens with cartridge and safety razors, and every type of cream, foam or oil.

I'd like to shave more often but my skin doesn't seem to be able to handle it. If I wait the two days however, I can shave with zero irritation.

>>15313863
Wash your pillow cases once a week and try to get some Sun everyday

>>15316639
i only use coconut oil when my eyelids dry out and get all flaky after getting a tan. i have eczema so i think thats part of it, even getting a light tan can make me break out. coconut oil clears it up in a few days.

how do I fix acne scars? I use an exfoliating glove and scrub with vigor everyday. I have a nivea moisturizer for the day and a mixa moisturizer for the night. Money isn't an issue

>>15339574
If money really wasn't an issue you'd go to the dermatologist for laser treatments. They cause upwards of $10,000.

>>15339574
>>15339606
Thought so. Fucking bigmouth.

>>15336790
>>15336790
you shut up
did you ever stop to think that perhaps the reason i have good skin is bc im willing to spend more than 5 dollars on a product?

>>15339834
You don't have any fucking scars bitch. Stop preaching like you did.

>>15336714
>>15339574
Avene triachneal night

>>15339846
I did
And you will too for the rest of you life if you don’t start using descent products

How much is your face and self confidence worth?

Dammit idk why I bother in these skin threads

Stay ugly craterface

>>15313995
Whenever I try this my skin gets better in the first few days but after a while it gets dry and flaky even though I have relatively oily skin naturally.
But then again no product has ever done anything for my skin.

>>15316300
I suspect this might be the main culprit behind all my skin issues, but with a delay of 3-4 days after consumption. I don't get gas at all so I'm not lactose intolerant and it's worse with cheese.
It's so hard to tell what food might cause trouble though, and it might take 2 months of abstinence before any major improvements even start to happen.
I always cave sooner or later self-doubting my assumptions because my local cuisine consists of 70% dairy and regret it later on.
Why am I such an idiot?

>>15339901
Fuck you. Spiteful attention-seeking cunt.

>>15339901
If price is the only way you judge a product then why don't you use La Mer moisturizing cream? Surely that must work much better than your products, given that it is much more expensive?

>>15338164
I mean I have the same issue and I'm no doctor, but my assumption was always that the skin needs a bit of time to recover and it's not a great idea to constantly exfoliate it every single day.

>>15339574
>exfoliating glove and scrub with vigor everyday

This is 100% doing more damage than good. Like what the other anon said >>15339606 go to a derm if money isn't an issue. Laser or dermarolling should do the trick

what do you guys think about dermal fillers vs laser treatment for pitted acne scars?
would laser treatment even help for deep acne scars?