/fa/ - Fashion

yours will never look like that. theyre larpy if you dont do anything that requires that type of ruggedness

>>15298810
Just get Red Wings dude

>>15298810
those boots are 600 dollars

>>15299659
It's 5 pounds of high quality full-grain leather built to last a full season of wildland firefighting.

>>15299685
Oh so you're a firefighter then?

>>15298810
What the fuck is that thing that's sticking up at the toes?

>>15300004
A false tongue, or kiltie.
Traditional decoration on some styles of workboot. AFAIK the only practical purpose it serves is if you beat the absolute shit out of your boots to the point that even the tongue gets tattered and worn, the kiltie will wear out first and can be replaced.

>>15300013
>the only practical purpose it serves is if you beat the absolute shit out of your boots to the point that even the tongue gets tattered and worn, the kiltie will wear out first and can be replaced
How is that a practical purpose. I must have read what your wrote several times and I still don't see the practical purpose of it
Apart from that thanks for letting me know. I find it hideous though.

>>15300018
It's an extreme use case, but these are extreme boots for extreme jobs.

>>15300018
>how is that a practical purpose
the bottom of the tongue is one of the first places to go on boots like that, along with the laces, and its much cheaper to replace a leather piece that isnt sewn on than to send the shoe in for repairs.

Are brands like Nick's or White's suitable for hiking? I know hiking boots are better because they are made for that purpose but Smoke Jumpers are designed for outdoor firefighter use so would they also be OK on extended trails?

>>15300344
theyre a lot heavier and less breathable than most hiking boots, i wouldnt use them for hiking unless youre going to destroy normal hiking boots.

>>15300344
They'll make you a hiking boot if you want.

>>15300031
That pole jumping shit freaks me out

>>15298810
I enjoy mine

>>15299726
>>15300348
This

>>15299659
>same faggot that spends 600$ on Gucci sneakers

>>15301140
pretty sure thats two different faggots

>>15298833
>>15300905
Why are you gatekeeping people who want nice boots?
The fact that they're durable doesn't mean only people who NEED that durability should have it, instead they'll just last for a longer time rather than wear out in 3 - 5 years like other boots.

>>15301319
>guy asks for opinion
>people give opinion
>STOP GATEKEEPING

What is it that you want? Just pure affirmation 24/7?

>>15301358
>Just pure affirmation 24/7?
Yes

If karma is real, then why do little kids die of cancer?

Thank you

Might is right.

Psychopath are quite literally the master race. So what are you gonna do? We, the normies, are literally like mice to the psychopaths. They feel no anxiety. They are fearless & charming. They are criminals and also virtue signalers and order preservers.

whites flex harder
>>15298833
>>15299726
>>15300018
cityslick copers
>>15299685
if you are going through a pair of PNW loggers in one season then you are a fucking idiot who doesn't know how to maintain their gear. the only time i've heard of somebody blowing out a pair of whites/nicks/drews/jk's in less than 3 years were the people who used calks year round and didn't oil them
>>15300004
false tongue, it protects the gusset from getting damaged from rocks/sticks when you're hiking
also helps protect the laces somewhat but those get torn up regardless

>>15301415
Yo don’t even come here with whites flex harder. Whites are so much shittier than nicks. Having worn whites, nicks, and now jks I can assure you whites are the worst of the three. Still nice boots but nowhere near as nice as nicks or jks. I’ve blown through whites in a season or less whereas my nicks lasted me three before needing a rebuild.

>>15301433
>claims to have blown through whites in a season or less
ah so you're one of those people who doesn't know how to maintain their gear, giving out opinions on what gear is the best
got it
I'd love to hear what exactly is different in the boots, seeing as both nicks and jk's both stem from whites, all of them use the same leather and the same techniques and same style and same lasts and are all located in the same town within 10 minutes of each other and often source the same employees

>>15301440
Full blowout on the sidewalls of the boots. Were fantastic for the beginning of the season but after 2 months stitching around the boots came loose. After blowing out, nails from the sole started coming through the bottom into my heel. I maintain my gear fine, I just don't believe that whites are as nice as they had been in the past. The vibram sole separated from the upper part of the sole, causing endless amounts of embers between my feet and leather towards the end of the season. I guess I didn't need to come on so hard about them being shitty, you're right. But I do think they aren't as nice and Nicks or JKs.

>>15301415
How is >>15300018
A cope? What the fuck are you even saying? How is asking questions a cope?

>>15301510
misquoted you
they don't look hideous though, stop bullying my boots

>>15301433
>>15301440
The two of you need to leave.
This is not a safe space for blue collar workers.
We are interested in boots as fashion not as some gooddamn workwear bullshit
Now go

>>15301642
>you cant look good while working
pic not related but i'm sure it's possible

>>15301642
>/fa/: don't wear workwear you'll look like a larper
>also /fa/: what to you mean you have a real job STOP OPPRESSING ME

>>15301674
I want money but dont want the disgrace of holding down a blue collar career.
How is that unreasonable ?

>>15301363
to teach them a lesson

they look really nice, would be great if you had a job where your company would pay for them

>>15302262
most forestry jobs give you a boot credit between $100-300 per year

>>15298833
I see what you're getting at there but I don't think it would be hard to find something like a dirty puddle even in a city.
I stomp around in the woods but it's not like that activity gives me the right to wear clothing. Boots are just boots man.

>>15301363
why would karma be the only force in the world?
I think there's plenty of chance that it isn't. And there seems to me anyway, to be a massive arbitrariness in the way the world presents itself. It's either that or you could say that the world has an incredibly roundabout way of getting to people in a way that at least appears untraceable on the surface.
>to teach them a lesson
lol this

>>15301982
Hey man don't get too confused there. Maybe a couple years ago people saw prestige in a job that was comfortable. But below the surface: blue collar jobs, should you not injure yourself or be injured, leave you healthier mentally and phyisically. And that's no joke either, just talk to business people to see what it's like lol.
But the other thing is that since everyone's been wanting themselves a white collar job, the market is pretty unbalanced. Trades are no question, a great way to have meaningful work, and work that pays too, which is pretty much the point.
Just don't buy redwings unless you want to blend in.

>>15303504
>don't buy redwings
whats wrong with redwings

>>15301319
It looks cringe as fuck when some city söy office worker wear flawless shiny boots like that to appear rugged and manly or whatever Laso it will go the way of carharrt when enough people who don't use the clothes for their intended purpose buy them for fashion. The company sinks in quality since people started paying for the brand and not the pratical aspects

>>15302262
if you work fire/fuels reduction for the feds they'll give you 350 for boots.

>>15303972
Redwings are known for bad quality control. It's best to get a pair of boots built for you professionally imo. But, redwings are okay boots on a budget. Just don't expect them to last a long time or be the right shape for your foot.

>>15301982
>dont want the disgrace of holding down a blue collar career.
Lol k. Literally nothing wrong with manual labor. I make 128k a year and never finished high school.

>>15304185
>if you work fire/fuels reduction for the feds
what job is this?
I need a job where I get to wear kickass boots

>>15304486
he just fucking said, wildland firefighting/fuels reduction
it's absolute bitchwork manual labour and you will hate your life
your days will be filled with stinky dudes crying about not gettng any puss, no cell service, and boondock camping

>>15304587
>boondock camping
i would love that desu since I already live in a 4x4 camper van

>>15304589
nah m8 it's fucking shit, I too fulltime in a van and while it's not that big of a downgrade from vanlifing it, the people you work with are absolutely retarded degenerates and you make like $10/hr for literal slave labour
you also have to buy a bunch of gear out of pocket so you start off in the red

>>15304192
i have several pairs of red wings and i can confirm they suck, they're super overpriced. sizing is wildly inconsistent, even within models. the welts are always imperfect, and i only buy factory firsts from red wing.

if you can luck out and get them on a sale like 50% off then they'd be worth it, but full price is a rip off.

>>15304618
>$10/hr
What? In California its like 30 bucks an hour plus overtime
what state are you in?

>>15304679
california
if you legitimately believe a GS3 or GS4 forest service fodder is making $30 an hour, you are
retarded
you will make between $12-15 an hour starting, assuming if you get hired at that level with no experience or training

>>15301363
Something they did in a previous life.

>>15304689
Not forest service, PG and E
They are running a massive thinning project as part of their settlement

bump

>>15304679
>he thinks PG&E is the feds
retard
>he thinks PG&E is going to hire a swamper with zero experience
retard
>he thinks PG&E doesn't contract all of that work out to mexicans and pays them $15/hr to cut corridors around their trans lines
retard
>he thinks being a thinning/veg crew is anything like wildland firefighting
retard
>he thinks you will need PSW loggers for cutting line next to a town
retard
why are there so many fucking idiots on this board talking about shit they have zero experience or background on

if you cant run a saw for 10 hours a day
if you dont know what a swamper is
if you dont know what a humboldt cut is
if you dont want to spike camp (or know what that means)
if you dont have experience doing all of the above
you will not get $30/hr from PG&E or anyone else to be on a fire crew or do thinning
r e t a r d

>>15305726
I dont know what to tell you anon. I was on the paradise cleanup last year when the thinning crews were being formed.
They were taking all our laborers because the pay was so good.
No I am not a firefighter but I have mates making bank doing this thinning. They do not work directly for PG and E but that is who is paying for all the work.and its all around their power lines.

dont buy gillette products

>>15305726
are there any reasonable gs-3/4 entryways into the federal forest service/related departments? wildland firefighting interested me but you've painted quite a gloomy picture

>>15304486
look into usfs, dnr, fish and wildlife, or blm engine or handcrews for wildfire. You'll work 6 months doing fire. Which is pretty fun if that's your kind of shit. The other 6 months (if they offer it) is fuels reduction and tree work. Think about it like the conservation corps. You'll do a lot of thinning and brushing, burn-piles, field/ditch burning. Essentially things to get ready for the next fire season. If you live somewhere hot/dry it shouldn't be too hard to find a job in it. You'll make great friends and get a lot of experience.

>>15304589
Go for it anon. Shit is super fun. I've been doing it for 8 years now and have loved every summer. Once I got my degree I started doing the fuels reduction in the winter and fall.

>>15306704
What is the pay like? Is anon correct that its only 12 bucks an hour?

>>15306704
are some of these 6 month jobs just that -- working for 6 months, and then not returning until the next season? or is there pretty much always shit to do year round

>>15306710
I make about 30 an hour. I do work for the state though, not the feds. Easier to get pay raises. The anon above telling you that you'll make 10 an hour with the feds isn't completely wrong, but if you go up in rank, you'll make significantly more money. It also depends on what kind of crew that you're on. If you're on a type 2 hand crew, then yeah, you'll probably make between 10-20 an hour depending on the state you're in. If you're a squad leader of some sorts, then you can make more. Also, you do make hazard pay as well as a shit load of overtime. I typically walk away with around 35-40k a season, and make around 20k for the rest of the year. So it's not like I'm super well off. But I live in a nice part of the state and am very happy with my work.
>>15306758
Yes, typically you work for 6 months depending on the area you're in. My friends in california and the southwest sometimes work for an entire year due to fires. But where I live, we work 6 months of fire and 6 months of fuels work. Depending on the agency they'll have you do an assortment of things. I know some friends on a shot crew in a national park that do recreational work for the park during the offseason. BLM and fish and wildlife will have you do all sorts of cool shit during the off season as well. Some people are turned off from the seasonal work, but if you like working hard and digging holes all day then I think you should go for it.

>>15306880
i just like the idea of working hard for 6 months and then being frugal/money conscious so i can take the other 6 months off

>>15306880
i'd love to get involved in that kind of work. i live in the southeast US -- doesn't seem like there's many related opportunities here, let alone entry level ones. also, our fire season is weird, apparently during the colder months? the closest i got to getting my foot in the door after e-mailing/calling around was an interview for a "smokechaser" job: $11/hour, no benefits, and expected extensive experience. didn't even get it after self-studying for the S-130 + S-190 + L-180 and passing on my own

>>15306993
Yeah man, that was one of the best parts of fighting fire when I was out of highschool. Just living in your truck and fighting fire. Are you the anon who lives in a 4x4 van?
>>15307006
Yeah the southeast is an interesting place. We've had some people come from the Florida DNR for engine boss training, but I couldn't tell you too much about fire down there. If you're worried about housing or benefits you should apply to hand crews on the west coast. Generally they have bunk houses that you live in for the fire season and if you do state or feds you get benefits. Also, you'll most likely have to do those classes again unless you have the certificates. I know that southern alps has a lot of fire crews for the USFS. Just keep looking and I'm sure you'll find something.

>>15306559
wildland firefighting is a lifestyle. if you want to be the kind of person who does that sort of shit, you basically shut yourself out of ever living near a population centre, having a wife or family, or having any other type of job. your skillset will be camping, hiking, running a chainsaw, and packing a fat lip of dip all the time. you are a complete degenerate with no education or skills and is trading your body for money, the smart and lucky will become managers of other retards and eventually an incident commander if you go back to school

if you want to start, just apply for gs3/4 fire technician jobs next year in the winter/early spring when they fly all of them on usajobs

>>15305860
the paradise fire was different because it was so highly publicised, PG&E was getting torn apart in the public court, and it was near a major population centre (chico).
your average 4chan dipshit 19 year old is not going to get on a cleanup crew making $30 an hour with no experience or connections
if you somehow make it onto a contract crew, you will be making your boss a lot of money while you toil in a burn scar. if that sounds like something you want to do, call up your local PG&E vegetation management contractor and work your way up, but it will take you years of minimum wage drudgery in the middle of nowhere humping tanoak for 10 hours a day while your peers get degrees and actual jobs

>>15307062
i think you've inspired me to go back to school

>>15307081
I would highly recommend it, especially if you want to get into the natural resources
it's similar to the military, in that you will have a lot of retards who are enlisted, and fewer people who are "officers"
the uneducated can toil long enough to get decent paying jobs somewhere, but you will fucking toil hard and long. I'm talking like 15 years of being a firefighter before you become a captain
I graduated with a degree in forestry and interviewed for a captain position right away. I saved 11 years of work to get there, and got a fuck and party my way through school. I also got to learn a fucking shitload more about the theory and science behind the work, and have a safety net to fall back on.
If I wanted to move somewhere and be more of an urbanite, I could work for a nonprofit or what have you. The guy who has been a wildland firefighter for 5 years couldn't, all he can do it keep being a firefighter and living our of his truck while camping in fucking willow creek or angel's camp or yreka or wherever, just random little spits of land with nothing going on

a lot of people enjoy going the working route, but I am glad that I went to school. you have to decide for yourself if you even want to do shit like this, because I'm still out in the field all way climbing up mountains and getting lit up by hornets and crawling through poison oak and trying not to get stuck on waterbars. but I also know how the trees will regenerate after a variable retention, and how quickly we can expect to return for further treatment, and which trees are going to do better where, and how to analyse our cruise data, and how to think of costing in the field when selecting trees to harvest, etc., because that's the shit you learn in the classroom instead of around a campfire drinking coors and crewing grizzly longcut wintergreen (cope is for cityslickers)

>>15307062
>packing a fat lip of dip

this made me laugh and hit close to home. i work in a menial labor position right now, in an entirely different field, but my coworkers all dip. so much so that i've been tempted to try it

>>15307211
I wouldn't
it's absolutely fucking disgusting and is one of those things that keeps the degenerates from ever crawling out of the mud pits
no "normal" person dips, and it becomes more and more unacceptable the more successful and advanced you become in your career

>manual labour and contractors
tons of people dip
>managers
maybe one or two dips
>people who actually make money
none of them dip

>>15307223
Its pretty /fa/ though

>>15307211
What does that mean?

t. Not american

>>15308571
>packing a fat lip of dip
stuffing a large amount of chewing tobacco into your lip
you then spit the tobacco infused syrup into a cup or onto the ground every few seconds

>>15308657
Is dip any good? Seems gross

>>15308665
No.

>>15308665
no it's pretty disgusting, and again, only used by manual labourers
you literally just spit out thick, stinking, brown spit constantly the entire time you are using it. most people will use a "spitter", which is a plastic water bottle that you spit your tobacco water into. so your car will smell like tobacco spit, you carry around a water bottle filled with particulate-infused brown liquid, and have to spit out a giant puck of the dip itself every now and then before stuffing another pinch of dirt into your lip

>>15299158
Ok. But which ones specifically 8" brown iron rangers? 6" red blacksmiths? Some 10" from their work wear line?

>>15308722
get whites

>>15301415
how often do you usually grease your boots?

Only if you want your feet to get fucked up

>>15309286
Yikes

>>15303454
its not that it gives you the right it just looks silly and is impractical to be wearing a heeled boot as sturdy as that to just walk on a side walk, and everyone can tell because puddle boots dont look like worked boots

>>15310040
Ouchy, a boo boo!

>>15310564
>it just looks silly and is impractical to be wearing a heeled boot as sturdy as that
I disagree

>>15309769
oil them every ~2 weeks if you are actually using them for work
use the LP when it seems like they are losing their water resistant properties

>>15310040
How the fuck did you manage that?
Either you haven't broke them in or you didn't get the sizing right