/fa/ - Fashion

seiko shogun or sinn ezm 3?

First for our guy.
https://youtu.be/bzDKj7OlUQE

>>15143274
sinn, but theyre both ugly. the 400-3000 dollar range is pretty trash, just save your money

>>15143261
The paint job of the silver one looks so cheap in real life. The black ones are much nicer. Currently have the black with the green map and probably gonna pick up the black with green bezel in the future.

>>15143274
One of the other Sinns that has the crown on the proper right hand side.

>>15143284
i work on boats so i just want a relatively cheap diver that doesn't look too bad on different straps/bracelets

>>15143294
Sinns are overengineered as fuck and have an amazing tool aesthetic, you can't really go wrong with them. Alternatively you could just get a Seiko Turtle for a fraction of the price if you would rather save money. Ignore anyone saying "you need to spend 3000+ on a watch" nobody spends that much on a watch that is actually spending significant amounts of time near the water.

>>15143274
Sinn. Those look fantastic irl

>>15143274
If you want a tool watch Damasko can't be beaten

Imma post my new shitter again, very happy with it.

Once all this corona shit is over, I'm getting one of these in 40mm.

Can g shock just hurry up and update all their squares??

>>15143312
that is a very pretty watch, anon. thanks for sharing

>>15143298
should i go with the ezm or the U1?
the over engineered utilitarian aesthetic is what i like about them especially the U1 im just unsure about the size. i know it is big but im not sure if it wears too big

Fuck, how am i ever gonna get my hand on a cartier crash

I hear Tudor's hype has almost completely died out.

>>15143335
you don't

you get a respectable timepiece like a Saxonia Moonphase instead.

>>15143324
The U1 is a lot more striking, there is nothing like it.

>>15143316
They're doing this cancerous Bluetooth shit now, so I'm not really interested in the whole new range.

It's a shame, MIP, atomic solar, and some more gimmick information like tide and moon cycles, would make for a great watch.

>>15143338
oh yeah info coming through the grapevine

>>15143316
These would be cool without the bluetooth and shitty negative display.

>>15143356
the dumbest part of it all is that it's hard to do solar + bluetooth because bluetooth sucks so much power, but instead of doing mb6 + solar which is what people want, they do bluetooth by itself which nobody wants. I'm just trying to see the logic here

Buy a real watch.

>>15143316
Dammit why does this have to have smartwatch read your emails and text messages bullshit?
Why cant they just make a 5610 that's identical to the current one but with a MIP display?
Fuck Bluetooth

>>15143379
The market apparently wants bluetooth. Normalfags seem to want watches that are constantly getting updates from their phones, instead of a standalone timepiece.

Bluetooth is also useful if you happen to live in the third world where mb6 doesn't reach.

>>15143356
GWX-5600 is that, minus the MIP display.

>>15143414
The musical note with the line through it to indicate that you turned off the beep that happens whenever you push a button has to be one of the ugliest design decisions of the whole G-shock line. I hate it with a passion.

>>15143338
I do hope it is so I can pick up a 58 for below list price.

>>15143261
Very happy with this bad boy, thanks internet.

fuck idk if i should get pic related or a seagull 1963. someone decide for me

>>15143476
Become a based pandachad

>>15143476
Neither will be authentic.
Both will most likely contain the same Seagull movement, though ironically the Strela has a better chance of containing a real Seagull movement.
I would take the Strela since it looks better to me, has some baseline lume, and they tend to have a higher level of finishing.

>>15143414
This is the current best offering, but it still has some issues. Honestly, I don't know why the rest of the atomic squares have the fucking 2 digit day display. I hate it, it looks like something you'd find on a 10 dollar watch.

The new GBXs look cool until you realise they're larger the largest squares. If that's how big the watch gets without solar or atomic, I can't imagine how big one would have to be to cram that shit in.

>>15143465
That thing looks way too big for your wrist. It might just be the angle from the picture but it looks like you've shoved a wall clock onto a Milanese

>>15143274
out of those two, Sinn

Where does the reputation for lesser reliability wrt Seagull movements come from? Is it just that they don't have any "this was my grandad's, and it's still good" factor, and/or is there something that makes them particularly vulnerable to failure with use (or abuse)?

And above all, how do they rank in comparison to the Vostok Amfibia movement?

>>15143596
Things from China are not known for quality control. It could keep time perfectly, or it could keep time really poorly and the watch stops working within a year. Seagull movements are actually not that bad, but, hilariously, they make fake Seagull movements too so you could get some real crap. In their defense, Chinese manufacturing has gotten a lot more consistent because of global advances in precision machining technology.
I'm not enough of a movement geek to compare them to Vostok movements.

>>15143302
this

>>15143602
there are fake seagull movements? damn, fake chinese movements of chinese movements, i thought seagull was already fake venus. some inception level shit is going on

>>15143274
200M vs. 500M if that makes a difference

>>15143688
There are fake Casio F91Ws

>>15143693
wtf? where? that is the most pathetic thing ive ever heard. i kinda want one lmao

fuck fake rolex give me a fake casio f91w lmfao

Fuck I like this. Its a womens model though. Would /g/ / /fa/ rock a womens watch?

>>15143819
>Its a womens model though.
imagine being this insecure

>>15143482
As far as I know, even fake seagull have proper Seagull movements, it's not exactly a high-end, rare or expensive movement.

>>15143823
you are mistaken.

>>15143819
If it's a men's watch in non-retared size, why not?

The white leather strap it's kinda feminine though, I'd get the mesh bracelet if available

My midrange 3x3, everything approx £5000 or less

>>15143919
Damn man midrange is £5000 or less? Usually I hear midrange being $500-$2k but I guess that works too.

>>15143312
It's not a shitter dude. Just a fairly basic vintage watch from a prominent Swiss company. Oyster cases are iconic, and the honeycomb dial adds to the rarity and value.

The problem with these manual wind oysters is that the tube threads wear out fairly quickly.

>>15143392
If you don't get your non-spyware digital watch now (and 4-5 of them so you can replace them) you're out of luck in a year or two, there won't be any left.

>>15143987
I mean it's all relative. Personally I'd call £0-£500 "affordable", £500-£2000 "entry level luxury", £2000-£5000 "mid range luxury", £5000-£10,000 "high end luxury", and £10,000+ is haute horlogerie

>>15143987
$5k is entry level (with the notable exception of Speedy which is $3.5-4k), mid-range would be $10k

>>15143819
That's a men's watch (because of the chronograph, and mechanical movement). Men's watches are all unisex. Go for it, you hot gay mess you.

>>15144040
>That's a men's watch (because of the chronograph, and mechanical movement)
>Men's watches are all unisex.
I'm confused

>>15144034
I get it, you have access to your mom's credit card. $5k is entry-level for Rolex and used cars, not semi-useful trinkets and fashion accessories.

>>15144042
Well you'd hardly say it's a children's watch (quartz, mickey mouse), or a women's watch (quartz, jewelry, tiny), with the mechanical chronometer and everything. And men's watches are unisex like men's jeans and shirts are unisex.

>>15143261
I have this casio royale watch and i want to say 2 things to potential buyers.
1. It really looks even better in real life
2. It functions like shit, the menus are illogical to an extent that you have to use users manual if you want to change anything and the bottom right button gets pressed to your hand constantly and it changes the timezone so everytime you look at the time it will be wrong and you have to manually correct the timezone to know what time it is so its really shit

>>15144059
I thought we were all adults here.

>>15144062
>chronometer
ah I see, you just don't know what you're talking about. Now I'm less confused.

>>15144070
If you consider £5k to be an "entry-level" watch purchase as a reasonable criteria you're not an adult, you're a spoiled brat. You could maybe call £5k to be "entry-level luxury" but "entry-level" as a whole is ridiculous.

>>15144085
It's completely pointless to wear a non-luxury mechanical watch (so anything between $500 and $5000), you have a smartphone and Casio exists in the below-500 quartz tier if you're some kind of a paragliding special ops diver or some shit, so...

>>15144092
your posts are completely pointless

>>15144076
I of course mean chronograph, as before. No need to get uppity.

>>15144092
What exactly do you believe the point of wearing a watch to be?

>>15144085
Just don't reply to him. Eventually he'll give up and find another thread to live out another fantasy of his.

>>15144092
This guy is absolutely right. There is no point to the whole 500-5000 range, because you are only advertising one of two things, depending on the group you're running in.
A. You are too poor to afford a real luxury watch.
B. You are too dumb to own a functional timepiece.

The only excuse for owning a shitty poorman's mechanical is if it's an heirloom or present from a relative, and you're comfortable telling that story to every single new person you meet like an obnoxious twat.

>>15144122
Same point of wearing anything else, it depends on your socioeconomic class. If you're the underclass, you just wear whatever rags you can get to cover your shame. If you're poor, you wear things to desperately simulate being middle class. If you're middle class, you wear it to express your personality. If you're rich, you wear it to shit on everyone. If you're wealthy, you wear it to shit on the rich.

The 500-5000 range would be for the misguided poor, for them this is a lot of money, so they think they're getting something nice for it, but they're just being fleeced by their masters like in all other aspects of life.

>>15144159
Insecurity is a disease, bitch. Get well soon ;)

>>15144159
Keep living the dream my friend!

>>15144159
What if I buy things because I like them

>>15143284
this, zero exclusivity or resale value and meh tier performance

>>15144194
You mean because all the propaganda you've been exposed to since before your birth told you to "like" them?

GF wants to get me another watch for my birthday but wants to keep it around £500 (used / vintage preferably).

Any ideas that aren't complete dogshit? I already own a couple of vintage dress watches (mainly yellow gold omegas) so ideally something sportier.

>>15144201
Tell her to fuck off. This is a woman you love and want to raise your kids and you're not even worth £500 to her? What a cunt, she makes me sick.

Trade her in for someone who will at least buy you a no-date Sub.

>>15144201
Is she an expert in vintage watches? If not, are you, and are you going to be picking it out? Because if not, a vintage watch is probably not the way to go.

>>15144200
Imagine being this secure about your own individuality.

>>15144213
Oh god no I'm just trying to give her ideas.

I'd definitely pick it.

At this rate, I'll get some shoes instead; I'm racking my brain for something worth getting at that pricepoint.

>>15144228
If you're dating below your station, just buy her shit and not the other way around retard. It's extremely embarrassing to have to wear poorfag shit because you have a low class loser gf.

>>15144252
>station
no one has a "station" fucktard, everything you say is trite nonsense.

Don't impulse buy several cheap watches. Instead save up and buy a couple of heavy hitters.

Post several impulse bought cheap watches

>>15144263
yeah no, have you ever been on a date where a girl is telling you about her experience growing up bouncing between homeless shelters? huge turnoff

>>15144263
Go open up a random conversation on Twitter and see how simple minded and intellectually lazy your average human being is. Those people are doomed to work dead end jobs and live paycheck to paycheck for the rest of their lives.

>>15144294
Unlike you!

>>15144294
equating wealth with intelligence is about the most retarded thing you can do

>>15144200
I can't even imagine feeling so powerless and having so little agency that you genuinely blame all of your material wants and aesthetic desires on "propaganda". I guess that fits you though because you think you need a Rolex to enjoy wearing watches.

>>15144301
For people who aren't born into wealth it's a pretty good indicator.

>>15144311
>>I can't even imagine feeling so powerless and having so little agency that you genuinely blame all of your material wants and aesthetic desires on "propaganda".
Of course you can't, because you're intellectually deficient. Have you ever read Ellul, McLuhan, Postman, or any other decent sociologists?

>>15144312
No it's not.

>>15144278
how can one man own so many similar-looking shitters

>>15144325
> Ellul
> decent sociologist
oh no

Thoughts on Pam574 (42mm)?

>>15143919
I'd bought that JLC and all if it didn't have a date, love it.

>>15144325
>>15144312
No wonder you're so "educated", yet poor, stupid, and tasteless.

I think Bluetooth is okay so long as it's minimal like with phone finder and location mapping stuff. I think casios implementation is relatively nonintrusive comparatively.

Should I get the screw back b5000 for the solar and multiband? Or should I get the extra sensor features from the mudmaster for occasional backcountry adventures? I figure the latter could look nice with some sort of nylon wristband replacement.

>>15144465
If you actually care about all the sensors and stuff the Rangeman is a superior watch although I'm going by the previous gen models not the new ones since they started using all the carbon fiber. I think the classic square is unbeatable as a daily wearer though, perfect proportions and aesthetic.

DO you guys have any guide/idea for vintage watches?
I saw your guide but it's mostly about how to buy them, I have no idea on how to chose one and would like to explore this world

>>15144465
Get the screw back square. Get the 5000-1jf and then buy that Chinese copy of the metal casio square bracelets that got posted a few threads back.

>>15144499
>Chinese copy of the metal casio square bracelets that got posted a few threads back.
????//

>>15144507
we all know casio watches come on that crappy plastic strap or a rather uncomfortable nylon band on some models. they sell a very hard to get and overpriced plastic bracelet that is not very good, or a metal one that only comes on metal gshocks and is fucking expensive.
or you can buy a chinaman bootleg metal bracelet for like 50 dollars off aliexpress which is as good as, if not better, than the official ones and looks really boss.

>>15144524
You can pay slightly more and get titanium instead now, which saves you a solid 50 grams.

I wish all watches had this level of chink support. I guess you could probably use the bracelet on anything with the 16mm retard lugs the G-shocks ship with, though, which is nice.

>>15144465
Personally, I just hate seeing the "Bluetooth" logo on a watch that is otherwise block capitals. It's also not a feature I'd ever bother using, so until they force it on all the MIP models, I'm not planning on buying one.

>>15144465
I wouldn't mind except the place I work at has a policy against bluetooth.
>>15144474
Every swiss brand you know of, every japanese brand you know of, every german brand you know of. And the "American" brands that got bought by foreigners. All of them have something neat. Are you looking for small and dressy or far out?

Happy containment, watchchads.

>>15144572
I'm just looking for a watch that, you know, sets me apart a bit, is not the 1000th DW.
Nothing too luxurious and expensive just something that you don't usually see and would maybe catch your eye?
I was thinking vintage because I thought I would find something for a lower price ( being a college student that only owned a 15$ Superdry watch in his lifetime my budget is at most 200$ but is closer to 100-120)

That said, I'm not really a fan f the bulky, casio look, and I'm looking for something more dressy rather than diving/military style. I also love open hearth or skeletal watches, but I am mainly referring to pictures lol
I'm pretty new and have just been browsing here and on other forums for my first purchase

absolutely in love with this watch.
looking forward to the stock market bouncing back so I can afford one sometime next year.

>>15144603
Dude you know people have Instagram on their cell phone nowadays right? They can look up thousands of accounts of people wearing expensive watches, your random vintage bullshit won't "catch" anyone's "eye", unless you're up to standard with what they've been seeing on social media, or exceed it, you're no one. Literally every girl can get a message from a guy that's better than you in every way in 10 seconds if she only makes an account for anything on her phone.

>>15144604
if you want a luxury watch now is the best time to buy. Tons of availability and discounted prices on models that are usually scare. Buy now or regret it later

>>15144603
citizen eco drive probably fits this bill. might have to save a bit more but it's one of the few watches in that price range that'll scratch your military itch.
quite sure you can find this for $120

>>15144603
you should seriously just pick your own watch. it'll take a lot of time but it's not like you have anything else to do in your COVID bunker. there are lots of microbrands that essentially sell better quality fashion watches, or you can get something from the major brands which all have budget lines. you can easily find something for you. pay close attention to all the details, not just the dimensions but the bracelet if the watch comes with one, the hands, the contrast of the colors, the size of the crown, the curve of the lugs, the placement of the date window, all the autistic shit you think would not matter, because it will when you drop money on it and have to look at it every day for the next 10 or more years.
your watch should make you feel satisfied every time you look at it or else it's just a waste of time. this could be a 50 dollar watch or a 5000 dollar watch, ignore people who say you need to get a rolex or whatever, there's tons of people who gets a rolex and it doesn't satisfy them because they bought it for the reputation or the prestige or something else stupid, not what they actually want out of a watch.
daniel wellingtons aren't shit just because they're cheap and popular, but because they are designed like garbage. hilarious oversized case, hilariously undersized crown, shitty lugs that look like an afterthought, pathetically proportioned hands, lazy case design and dial layout. imagine looking at that every time you look at your wrist. most people don't care what watch you wear, so you're wearing the watch for you. choose well.

>>15144603
The problem with vintage is like the problem with buying used cars. Are you prepared to buy more than one and/or get them serviced? Some brands will kind of service old watches (for a price!), others will tell you to pound sand. The ones that tell you to pound sand are sometimes cheaper. I also hope that you're buying them not just to impress others, because as far as good attention goes watches are a bit lower on the totem pole, and an old mechanical can be a hassle.

The most common are vintage swatch group and seiko, but citizen and orient have their own offerings. It isn't done as much for german watches because their famous pilot watches are still issued in that style today. Just type vintage [brand] and look at all the articles that show up.

>>15144613
>discounted prices on models that are usually scare
Like what? Post some.

>>15144613
>if you want a luxury watch now is the best time to buy. Tons of availability and discounted prices on models that are usually scare. Buy now or regret it later
unfortunately I bought a very nice engagement ring a month or two before the shutdown. it is doable but I'd really rather not. peace of mind is worth more to me over a few grand.

>>15144625
literally any used watch site right now, chrono24, crown and caliber, etc all have huge inventories and deep discounts. Do your own research

>>15144631
Post one good watch that has a significant discount dude. Just one.

>>15144610
I don't want to impress girls, just wear something a bit "special" that maybe my friends ask me about
Btw you're rude
>>15144615
I'm not really into military watches but citizen are definitely up my alley thanks for the rec
>>15144620
Yeah, that's what I'm planning to do isj ust that it's pretty hard to navigate EVEN with all the guides. Solid advice though I'll make sure to screenshot this.

>>15144624
Not really to impress others. It's just that it's my first "serious" watch and I wanted something a little bit off the path, a lot of the people I know own Rolex, Omegas and whatnot so I couldn't really impress them even if I wanted - but I don't really care, I like watches but I wouldn't spend that much on them desu.

>>15144639
>>Not really to impress others.
>>15144639
>just wear something a bit "special" that maybe my friends ask me about
>>15144639
>I don't really care, I
Stop lying to yourself.
>>15144639
>a lot of the people I know own Rolex, Omegas and whatnot so I couldn't really impress them even if I wanted
Well, why not just get something in the same category but slightly more unusual? Like a Zenith for example? Are you trying to break into a higher social circle than you're supposed to be in?

>>15144645
You’re missing the part part where his budget is nothing, see
>>15144603
Idk what he’s expecting

>>15144638
do you think watches are MORE expensive right now or something? idiot

>>15144638
I'm not that guy, but on Crown and Caliber 36mm Rolex Explorers are "on sale" now with some back in the mid $4700 range. I know they usually over-exaggerate their sales, but these are definitely cheaper than they were

https://www.crownandcaliber.com/collections/rolex-explorer-watches

>>15144654
Same thing a lot of people in these threads are expecting, a cheat code, a shortcut, a "I'm so much smarter than you that I spent $50 on a watch and it's totally the same as your $5000 one" 200IQ play. Doesn't work in the mass surveillance age, everyone knows who you are and where you came from.

>>15143919
Stop posting Grand Seikos, just makes me want to burn a Snowflake sized hole in my pocket.

>>15144639
most skeleton watches are expensive, not very legible because of the skeletonization, and they get old. orient makes some cheap open heart watches but open heart watches are kind of tacky in my opinion. ciga design is a chinese brand that makes an interesting watch that looks like a clear apple watch case with a mechanical watch inside, that is very visually striking but I don't know if that's your thing. it's just kind of cute and turns heads.
people meme the orient kamasu a lot in these threads but it's a solid choice if you want a watch that is your first step to something serious and turns some heads. it has a cool sunburst dial in some striking colors like red and green, and at 300 bucks it's easily obtainable for a college student. it's a solid pick and on a nice leather band of your choice it looks like a much more expensive and classy watch.
you can't really go wrong with vintage omega seamasters, they made tons of those and they have classic proportions and a nice look. some people say the vintage omega seamaster is played out because everyone gets them, but they are nice. just be careful though because you don't know what they've been through and you want one that looks like it's in good condition and runs well.
the value of seiko watches has kind of gone down as they chase the midrange market but the old alpinist and sarbs can still be had for around 350-400 dollars and still look great. their presage line tends to offer some nice value as well.
citizen is a good pick, good value and eco-drive is fantastic. you just let the sun charge it and you don't have to worry about your watch ever. they have a good mix of classic looking watches and modern ones that are more eye-catching. there's also the hamilton jazzmaster. hamilton used to be an american company and their watches still have nice american styling, but they're swiss now. the jazzmaster line is pretty big and you can get a lot of them used for 300-500. classic looks and some open hearts.

>>15144659
> Only $5000
have some self respect and buy an actually expensive watch from a respected brand

>>15144645
I think there's a difference between "impressing" and "hey, taht's a new watch! It's nice, I've never seen one like that!" Maybe I wasn't explicit enough - but mostly I care about buying one that I like

>
Well, why not just get something in the same category but slightly more unusual? Like a Zenith for example? Are you trying to break into a higher social circle than you're supposed to be in?

Because I don't have that kind of money
even if I did I wouldn't spend it on watches
Not a higher social circle, jus my friends are splurgers
Btw if you think I'm lying to myself that's more of your problem than mine really...
>>15144654
Just some help navigating lesser known brands/vintage stuff that was all I asked

>>15144666
What's there to navigate, everyone knows which brands are worth something and which aren't. You're not getting a cheap watch just because it's old dude...

Look up the brands on watch-rankings.com if you're that much of a noob I guess.

>>15144659
What is that supposed to mean lol
Like I get your point and to a degree I agree - I am trying to use knowledge/insight to possibbly get a cooler looking watch but I'm not here to flaunt wealth I don't have, I don't really get the last part of your message.

>>15144671
Just go with what this guy said. He spelled it all out for you, his advice is solid and he works around your budget.
>>15144662

>>15144662
>jazzmaster
It's kinda sad to see cheap dress watches though, dress watches are supposed to be worn with suits so wearing a cheap dress watch just doesn't make sense (unless you're wearing a cheap rented suit for your aunt's funeral because you're some trailer trash that doesn't even own a real suit). I don't really get the market for those, I always thought it was for kids to wear at their school functions and such.

>>15144677
should a man not be able to have a nice classy watch unless he drops 2000+? who cares? this hobby is too niche for this snob shit. jazzmasters and seiko presages are solid watches.

>>15144662
Hey thanks for the time, sorry if I responded to provocation instead of giving you credit.
I checked ciga design and they're very much my thing. Thanks a lot, I'll be exploring them!

The Orient Kamasu (and orient in general) did strike my eye in OP document - so I'm glad you confirmed I saw right.
Seiko is not really my style, and I guess I'll look into Omegas first in exploring the vintage market.
Citizen is also one that I liked, a bit too conventional maybe but I think you get me ahaha
I also checked the hamilton and it seem neat too maybe too classic though

>>15144681
I guess I just don't get the point, if you wear a suit to work you have the money for a real dress watch, if you don't, where are you going to wear it anyway?

>>15144688
It's a fake it till you make it watch. Not everyone can afford a Cartier as their first watch you have to start somewhere. It's cringe when people pretend like there is almost no difference at each tier between a $50, $500, $5000, and $50,000 watch

>>15144687
seiko has a unique design language which people kind of take for granted because they've been around so long and are so famous. if you want something flashy they have the cocktail time line and if you want something edgy the samurai is popular but can still turn some heads.

>>15144688
I know tons of people who wear a suit to work and they just wear some mall shitter watch because they don't care. they will probably end up buying a rolex or something when they're 40-50 but right now they're 30, and when you're 30 your rolex is either assumed to be fake or unearned. the guy's a college student, just let him get his feet wet with a decent watch, he is not going to fucking davos. you don't have to wear a dress watch exclusively with a suit either. these rules are much less strict than they used to be. it's now routine for dress watches to be 40mm and for people to wear divers on leather.

>>15144278
You should submit this collection to Starchie

Is there any decent thin watches for about from 100-200 bucks? I don't like anything bulky on my wrist. I want something thin and comfy with nato strap.

>>15144780
>thin [] with nato strap
??????????????????????

>>15143312
cool

>>15143465
I seem to have misplaced my dinner plate...
oh, there it is.

>>15144688
Only an autistic would care in this age. You're either a boomer or a cringe zoomer who picked up the wrong lessons from their predecessors. Or even worse, someone taught by marketers on the internet.

>>15144688
>where are you going to wear it anyway?
Give me one (1) good reason why I couldn't wear a dress watch every day, affordable or not

>>15144228
>I'm racking my brain
no, you are not stretching your brain on a torture device. you'd be dead as soon as you removed your brain.
you are wracking your brain.
get it right next time, tough guy.

>>15144677
The first few posts here you bitched about being poor. The only sad thing here is you.

>>15144325
>sociology
why would i bother with that gay shit, tranny? STEM all the way, baby!

>>15144830
>>The first few posts here you bitched about being poor.
?

Seiko tuna looks hideous but for some reason I want one. Why is this?

>>15144780
Nato straps are annoying and cumbersome not to mention uncomfortable and itchy. What you want is a leather or rubber strap.
There are plenty of Seiko 5 models that fit the bill and if you don't like the strap it comes on you can go aftermarket.

>>15144278
explain to me why someone would want 100 shitters over one good piece?

>>15144085
He's replying to a fantasy/grail dream collection.
In that case, if you include the full spectrum of watches, big boys like pateks/independents etc... you know the drill, 5k watches can be considered entry level/mid tier.
But again, that's replying to fantasy collections, I bet that he only owns nothing special, and I don't mind being btfo by the 5970 or the lange poster.

>>15144906
So you agree with everything in principle, you're just poor so you're giving advice taking into account how you wish things were, not how they really are. See, that's the thing, objective reality doesn't care which perspective you're viewing it from, so why do people get so pissed whenever it's accurately described to them? Does convincing some poor limp-wristed sap that Citizen is perfectly respectable in the real world really help you cope with your inadequacies and the monumental fuckups each and every one of your predecessors had to had done for you to be born into such misfortune?

It's like some Eastern European loser not being able to understand how people can have $20k/year in America and still be considered below poverty threshold, because this buys an entire mud house in his third world shithole.

>>15144919
Thinking about getting a rep, are your fakes still good to go?

>>15144919
You don't get it. My take is that there are levels to the watch game.
You're replying to a watch grail thread, and at that level I agree that 5k is entry level/mid tier.
But at the same time, if you're at the level of buying one-offs vintage pateks at Phillips or Christie's, entry level is much much higher than that, you can't get shit with 5k.
My point is that is relative, is like defining cheap or expensive, that's relative.
But again, you just keep calling poor left and right to others... Let's see what you have. I bet that you're not a respectable man within you're definition.

>>15144068
I have mine since a couple of years and only had the timezone problem two or three times, but I usually have the watch a bit high and not on the wrist.

The watch is really nice, the paint is shit, I would pay a lot for the same watch with a steel case. The bad was shit and I have put a milanese, it even looks retro now and feel better.

>>15145008
There is only one ladder, did you miss the fall of the Berlin wall, the historical synthesis of capitalism and communism, the rise of AI-assisted mass surveillance and propaganda, and the ever-approaching end of history? You are assigned a single number, just like everything and everyone else, and there are no alternate value systems anymore.

>>15145037
You haven't read enough Fukuyama lol.

>>15145041
Why? Fukuyama was a dumbass who thought the end came 20+ years ago, there are still quite a few pendulum swings until it stops entirely, and it will largely have been made possible through post-911 technology. The world is following Kojeve's utopian/dystopian vision.

>>15145037
Enough of yous for today.
Go get a new babysitter, clearly you're crying for attention

>>15144865
There are some watches where they are so ugly it circles back around to them being desirable because they're raw, unapologetic tool watch masculinity itself.

>>15145043
It is now even clearer that you haven’t read enough Fukuyama.

>>15145065
Alright, then the peeny god just told me he gave you a really small one, guess that's the level of discourse you're used to.

Thoughts on the 1858? Manually wound with a seriously nice bracelet but a whopping 44mm. It just looks so classic. Clear caseback with a nice simple MB movement based on the ETA 6469. My wrist is 7in but 44mm is still pretty big

who /moonphase/ here?

also what do all of you guys with $10K+ watches do for a living?

>>15145078
>wearing a watch from a pen company

>>15145094
No offense man but if you have to *do* something for a living...

>>15145032
it would be good watch if the right hand buttons would be moved to upside and downside and the menus would be logical like in g-shocks. I fixed the problem by ordering Amphibia so thats that

i really like this watch, and prefer the looks of it over significantly more expensive dive watches, but it falls within the evil $500 - $3000 range, and doesnt have the most impressive movement. is it worth getting, or should i save up for a "real luxury watch" that i dont even like or want?

>>15145181
TAG is just fine if you're in Southern Europe or Latin America (so beach culture, poverty, tourism, that sort of thing), and if you're under 30. It has that youthful mall shitter style, that even the Omega divers have, which goes perfectly with casual beach wear and if you're a swarthy mediterranean looking young dude.

>>15144278
That's an impressive mix of shitters and vintage. How many of them still run?

>>15145199
>even the Omega divers have
*and this is basically your "more serious" alternative if you like the look but don't like the brand. Slightly more expensive of course.

>>15145181
Ignore that other retard, he is clearly retarded.
The Aquaracer is an alright watch. I'm not a fan of the bezel but it works. They recently came out with a new model that has a GMT function and a nicely done gradient blue dial for around 3000, which looks compelling. You might want to check that out.

>>15145181
The funny thing about watch movements is that until you reach haute horologie no one is counting anything that matters. The swiss marketing campaigns decided accuracy doesn't matter much after seiko trounced them, and the entire luxury market followed. The only people who give a real nice movement finish for cheap are Nomos, but their designs are divisive. Might as well get what you want. That being said, most Tag watches don't hold their value well due to their perception and thus it's much smarter to buy from grey market or used.

>>15145207
>The Aquaracer is an alright watch.
But...I don't disagree? It's absolutely adequate for what it is.

>>15145208
On a side note, it's funny that the swiss backing out on the accuracy war gave seiko an excuse to downgrade their movements to the point where swiss mall shitters with movements made as cheaply as possible slap the shit out of the japs in accuracy. Not that it matters anymore.

>>15145208
I wonder how long it will take for Tag to overcome their hot shot mall shitter frat bro image. They've been trying to move away from it for like 10 years now and it still sticks. The watch world really is slow.

>>15145217
It's going to get even slower given the downturn, and I'm not just talking about Coronavirus. The race to the bottom has only just started.

>>15145217
won't happen until they get rid of the stupid fucking arrows in their logo. It looks like a brand for children, in fact it's what I thought was cool in high school.

>>15145217
personally, i love their hot mall shitter frat bro image. TAG is like only luxury watch company with actual sporty looking watches, aside for like richard mille or something. the rolex submariner, for example, looks too elegant and refined for a sporty dive watch imo. like give me something cool to wear under a hoodie cmon. besides, image means nothing to me, if its a good watch, then its a good watch. i suppose tag heuer suits my pleb lifestyle well

>>15145270
this is exactly why i like tag heuer. im basically a child

>>15145286
just get a g-shock

>>15145296
i already have a gshock. id also want a watch i like AND can appreciate the history and craftsmanship of. tag heuer fills a particular niche and does it well

>>15145304
then get one. what's the problem? heuer makes ok watches, the only reason to not get one is if you don't want to be judged or you don't like the designs. you like the designs and you don't care about the image so just get one.

>>15145316
yea im saving up rn, just wanted yalls input

>>15144325
I've read The Medium is the Message. It's a good book. It's entirely irrelevant to the question of whether you genuinely believe that all of your aesthetic sensibilities and material wants are externally programmed into you. I really have a hard time believing that you're genuinely of the opinion that nobody would wear anything but homemade trash bag ponchos were it not for the nefarious influence of advertisers and material propagandists. Ironically that's much more likely to be the case with luxury brands like Rolex, Patek Phillipe, AP, RM etc. You almost never see anyone using a Seiko or an affordable tool watch as the kind of status indicator that your theory of programmed consumerism would indicate, in fact basically nobody except for watch nerds can even identify the most popular of Seiko watches and yet anyone who wants a SARX is somehow programmed into doing so by non-existent advertising in your view.

I get not wanting to own up for your own pathetic lack of self-control/agency but it's honestly just sad that you're trying to argue this while also out of the other side of your mouth saying the only watches worth owning are exactly the ones that are primarily sought after by clout chasing materialists who bought the meme.

>>15145360
>it's honestly just sad that you're trying to argue this while also out of the other side of your mouth saying the only watches worth owning are exactly the ones that are primarily sought after by clout chasing materialists who bought the meme.
https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/58702/the-wise-king

>>15145360
this
if it wasn't for memes there is no way the AP royal oak would be a thing. it's a watch that was designed in something like a week by a guy who wasn't even trying very hard, that was reviled upon release, is easily the most dated luxury watch in production today with every aspect of its design stuck in the 70s, many of its elements clash with each other, it's not even in a precious metal, it's basically expensive and desired for no reason other than memes. hell, this entire industry is a fucking meme, if it wasn't for swiss marketing we'd all be wearing different colored solar g-shock squares.
anyone who says "your watch must be this expensive for you to be a real man" is living in a delusion, particularly because now 90% of people can't tell what your watch is unless it's a rolex, even if it's 15 times more expensive than one.

>>15145037
You're trying to appear all Based and anti-capitalist or whatever but the problem is you're doing it over something fucking nobody but online larping watch snobs and niggers care about. Literally nobody will look down on you for wearing a sub-5k watch ever and this bullshit "you are assigned a single number" larp is literally just bullshit. Maybe in some pine-tree gang S&M fantasy there's something similar to that, but that's just not the way any of this fucking works in reality.

Us this thread ever going to stop being filled with poorfags trying to convince themselves that they don't really want a Rolex?

>>15145372
why would I want a rolex when I have a more valuable watch like a citizen?

>>15145372
Tell me oh wise reader of minds what Rolex so I truly seek in my heart of hearts today? What Ice do I want for my wrist so I look better when I dance?

>>15145379

>>15145370
I think there'd probably be plenty of mechanical watches without the meme of "Swiss luxury" (as indicated by the two largest mechanical watch manufacturers in the world both being Japanese), but yeah the whole mindset of needing so arbitrary value threshold watch to be a "real" watch collector is fucking retarded. It's literally the same thing as the rich kids on /o/ who have never even done an oil change saying that you're not an auto enthusiast if you don't own a new M3. Literal 14 year old nigger-tier clout chasing as a replacement for an otherwise interesting and not needlessly expensive hobby.

>>15145380
God that thing is disgusting. It's always been funny to me that Rolex is like 95% literal hoodrat trash and then because the other 5% includes a date just and a few moderately well designed tool watches people praise them as being the only REAL™ watches you can buy.

>>15145383
Any watch that isn't a $10 casio is needlessly expensive.

the only REAL watch is a Hublot Big Bang

>>15145379
Could you buy a Rolex on less than 5% of your annual salary / investment income? If not your opinion on watches you can't afford is meaningless.

The average person thinks spending 300 dollars on a watch is a lot.
Watch nerds think 1000 dollars is entry level and will pay out the asshole for objectively worse technology because of engineering autism, or some quasi-spiritual mumbo jumbo, or sentimental pining for some golden age none of us actually lived through. In the end it's all complete bullshit and the only acceptable excuse is you like the watch, in which case you can't judge someone who wears G-Shock, Seiko, or whatever because they might like the DW-5600 and Patek Philippe does not make that.
Ultimately this hobby is so niche that the snobbery so many hold is just really fucking pathetic and unnecessary. In fact, considering how much watch fags go on about classiness and faux pas, it's actually repugnant.

>>15145396
See
>>15145372

>>15145393
this 5% rule is fucking based, according to you I've way underspent myself on my new rolex

and yes you should buy the rolex if you don't have one yet. It is the bar that separates the wheat from the chaff. You won't understand this until you own one

>>15145413
sarcasm and irony is the realm of women and cucks

>>15145387
The funniest thing is that they actually go back to make their good looking watches uglier
6000 dollars BTW

>>15145389
I'm not 100% on board with that but I would be more in line with that than saying $5000 is an "entry level" watch. Mechanical watches have a lot of hand assembled and finished components that are going to make them more expensive that the almost entirely automated processes that most quartz watches go through so they are just going to be more expensive as a result. That's definitely a "luxury" in a certain sense, and the more localized the production and the more intensive the quality control, the higher the price is going to be before you account for marketing/brand etc. There's very little actual advertising that goes into Seiko's mid-range divers like the Samurai/Turtle/Shogun and I know from a person that I have contacts with who sells them that even at wholesale AD catalog prices there's not anywhere near as much room on their mechanical stuff as you'd think.

Selling rebranded AliExpress quartz stuff is a lot more profitable than under $1k mechanical watches, especially ones that have original case/bracelet/etc designs so you can't as easily source already existing components to manufacture the watch. Even just unassembled/unregulated movement costs are fairly regularly much more than the sale price of many G-Shocks and that's before you've even cased it or added a dial/hands to the mix. I wouldn't say that there's "no money" to be made in mechanical stuff or that people are only doing it out of passion for the hobby or something like that, but the people at MVMT and Vincero are definitely making a fuck ton more money than the people at Sternglas (for as much as everyone seems to hate them here) that's for damn sure.

>>15145431
If it doesn't say ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX ROLEX on the interior of the case I don't want it.

>>15145438
But it does. You can see it in that image.
To be fair it's not a watch for everyone. You have to really like the number 5.

should I cop?

>>15145431
Something about this is giving me a cheap mall shitter vibe.

>>15145431
no the new air king looks better than the old air king you are wrong

>>15145446
thats because you have shit taste the new air king looks cool

only $316,179.99 (+tax, shipping, and tip)
you don't want people in the comments section of hodinkee to think you're poor, do you, goy?

>>15145458
It's fair to criticize Rolex for making a handful of hideous blinged out watches to sell to Asians and Saudis. But it's stilly to imply that these watches represent even a tiny fraction of their yearly production.

>>15145396
wow it's almost like people have different motivations for why they're in the hobby

normies want something that has a nice design and generally don't care about function because "I have my phone, who checks the time on a watch anyways"

poorfag watch nerds want something that they perceive to be a good bargain and priced cheaper than it's features would suggest. Accurate, long term reliable/durable, and stylish, usually in that order of importance. It's why so many noobies endlessly suck tiny Seiko peepee.

At the mid level the buyer knows enough about watches to understand why the expensive brands and models cost what they do, but can't afford them yet so makes compromises where they can on movement, finish, complications etc. compared to a higher end model they would rather buy

High end luxury is where you start getting into buying pieces for the fuck you aspect of them aka heritage, exclusivity, horological significance

Finally we have "Haute Horologie" When you move into high 5 figures and above it ranges from fantastic complications to precious metals and gemstones that are works of art and usually end up in the hands of private collectors that are too rich to consider posting on 4chan

>>15145467
You're just showing me that Rolex primarily deals in cope

>>15143261

>>15145444
no because we're not in the 80s

>>15145470
See >>15144159

What if I just don't want a Rolex?

>>15145475
it's a good thing that line of watches is from the 70s then

>>15145477
See
>>15145372

>>15145479
so people would have presumably worn them into the 80s as well. Which we are no longer a part of.

So don't buy the watch.

>>15145482
you say that but almost all current fashion directly mimics 70s and 80s fashion

>>15144899
because they bought them one at a time over several years and didn't realize that they were basically pissing away a rolex

>>15143261
I’m feeling a bit anxious right now.
>$166.98 is your total
>3 wrist watches
>Timex Metropolitan +
>Casio Databank
>Casio Poseidon

Is it worth my bucks? Idk, help!

>>15145484
it sounds like you're set on buying it, whatever go ahead it's your wrist

But personally I think paying $250 for this is an absolute disgrace. It looks like a $40 watch.

>>15145495
Keep in mind that most people will not have more than 3 watches in regular rotation. Are you ok with this being all of yours?

>>15145495
you should just start with one watch you really like rather than 3 meme watches you sort of like

>>15145504
on the other hand, it can be hard to know what you really like when you're just starting. If you end up liking just 1/3 and figure out what makes you tick, that's worth the money spent. Pun intended

>>15145499
I'm just looking for feedback that's more than
>looks old lol
That's the whole point. I do agree that particular image makes it look kinda cheap though.

>>15145495
>>15145504
>>15145507
meant to reply

>>15145503
>>15145504
Any of you familiar with these types? I wanna buy something cheap for now, trying to save for a Grand or Lex maybe even a Cartier

>>15145507
I’d be ticking with rage of it turns out to be 0/3 and then buy a different styles, I’m not clock wise

>i dont want a rolex
yes you do

>>15145512
look, if you buy a watch, even if it's a watch you're getting because you just want something while you save for a better watch, it has to be something you will feel good about looking at for a long time. something like the casio calculator watch is essentially a meme. there are some people who really love that watch, but for most people, they are wearing it because it's silly, and they will wear it a couple times, and then the novelty gets old. what's going to happen if you buy 3 watches you don't even really want, is that in a week you will gravitate towards one that you like wearing, realize you wasted money on the others, and you still won't be very satisfied with the one you like.
I would just take the additional time and buy a reasonably priced but still inexpensive watch that you will be pleased with for a few years, rather than 3 gimmick watches that will leave you unsatisfied.

>>15145508
looks cheap in this picture too, there's tons of light bleed on the watch face, it's plastic, it looks really fucking stupid honestly like you're wearing a huge computer housing nothing but an RTC module. It would be cool in blade runner but just don't. barf

>>15145526
>it's plastic
it's definitely steel bud

>>15145521
Say no more.

>>15144884
Nato straps are hot dogshit, but nylon is literally the ideal watch strap material. Leather can't handle moisture over years of use, rubber holds in sweat and gets stuck to your arm constantly. Nylon straps last years, and cost about a fucking dollar.

>>15145530
based

>>15144000
I know it's not a shitter, /fa/ doesn't though. It also has a cool case with lugholes on only one side. Nice dubtrips.
This Doxa is a real treat. The outer minute ring is a gold/copper colour. Lume looks great. Never seen one with a better dial.

>>15145217
They need to drop the TAG branding and go back to just Heuer, they were a respected brand before TAG.

>>15145181
I've never been a big fan of the looks but a watch dealer friend said he was really impressed with them after having one on his wrist for a while, all down to personal preference

>>15145095
Not just any pen company. Montblanc. Their watches are seriously underrated, seleta and ETA bases, that present really well. Minerva and their own manufacturer movements, on their higher end models.
I'd love to know your thoughts

>>15145508
They look awesome. It's quirky in a good way and probably a lot less of a headache than an old one. Go for it. Would go for steel instead of the gold colour.

>>15145078
I was just looking at 1858's. big fan.

what a shitshow of a thread. i dont know whos more annoying, the rolex shills or the idiots who fall for their bait.

>>15145444
posting superior colorway
push button to display is dealbreaker for me. doesnt even dim, just a blank display without push

>>15145765
>push button to display
didn't know this was a thing, definitely makes it less appealing.
Gold goes better with my fits.

>>15145765
That's how they were in the 70s, LED displays burned through batteries.

>>15145779
technically yes, the push button to display makes reading the time more cumbersome, but thats part of the vintage charm imo

>>15145444
if you can pull it off, go for it

>>15144278
that brown/gold citizen is nice.

What's the leftmost watch of the 5 in front?

Thoughts kings?

Best place to get custom straps?

>>15145806
whats with the penis lattice?

>>15145810
kek

>>15145810
It's to give you big dick energy.

>>15145808
Atillas Aszodi. Prepare to get raped.
Camille Fournet. Makes straps for PP.
Veblenist. Found them yesterday, looks promising and well priced.
Jean Rousseau. Maybe comparable to Camille Fournet.
Jean Paul Menicucci. Made lots of stuff for big auction houses and is buttfriends with many great Italian collectors.
@vintage_style_straps. Ordered one from him, will post results.
Straptailor. Only seen pics, looks good.

There are so many, really depends on what you're looking for.

>>15145866
Thanks man
If i could choose i'd want a leather one with Japanese inspired patterns on it, I've only found one online which is like $200 so idk if it's worth it.

>>15145931
Try Curious Curio. Japanese maker, if his form you need to fill out for custom orders wasn't in Japanese I'd have ordered from him already.

I'm looking for a watch that says "This guy is incredibly racist" any suggestions welcome, please keep in below $12k or so.

Can anyone Identify this watch?

>>15145971
Maybe a Waltham? Or even a Seikosha?

>>15145966
vacheron constantin or grand seiko

>>15145947
Holy shit that guy has an incredible selection of vintage watches.

>>15145983

>>15145987

>>15145990

>>15145992

>>15145994

Thoughts on tissot powermatic 80 as a starter watch?

>>15146003

>>15146005
>the unserviceable swatch movement
>overpriced entry level watch that is literally held back on purpose to serve as some kind of baseline
just no

>>15145966

>>15145579
Love it, I'm a huge fan of the aesthetic

>>15146003
I never noticed it before bit I really like how the 6 o'clock index blends into the subdial markings. Really appeals to my autism

>>15145806
Pattern on the dial looks stupid.
I don't know gs refs, but that cream gmt with the blue hand looks much better.

Thinking of putting my stimulus check towards a nice watch. Maybe a Citizen Chronomaster.

Are the replica glidelock clasps any good? I often find myself wanting a bit more adjustment in my metal bracelet due to temperature changes and shit.

Alternatively, what's the best clasp I can buy?

>>15145987
Any watch in a Borgel case with that crown is nice, basically.
>>15146021
Thank you.

>>15144665
pic unrelated

>>15144366
I love their designs and endless variations, but there is NOTHING that warrants their asking price.

Picked up one of these, and it looks fantastic, but it didn't come with all the pieces I've heard people get with the SS kits.

Number one is the plastic spacer piece. Has anyone got any pictures and dimensions for that? I figure I'll just find a bit of rubber the same width and cut it down to size to stop the titanium scratching the screen.

And second are the screws. I could re-use my existing ones, but I've seen some aftermarket flathead screws that look a lot nicer, is there anywhere I can buy a set that isn't 20 bucks?

>>15146123
Are you putting in on one of the screwback g-shocks with the metal internal case? If you are putting it on a plastic body g-shock you don't need the spacer. In fact it's probably not sized for the spacer if it's intended for one of the plastic body models. The actual spacers on the authentic metal squares is a 3d piece that covers both around the screen and the sides of the case. You might be able to get a spacer and or screws from that site that sells replacement casio parts tiktox.com .

>>15146137
The problem with casio replacement parts is that they're both super expensive, and I don't think they've ever made this kind of flathead bezel screw. I think the chinks either made a new screw or took one off a different G-shock model, because on the actual titanium/metal G-shocks the screws form the bar the strap attaches to and go in at a different place.

If the real spacer is like that I'll just get something thin and adhesive to give it a buffer zone. I think that's what they shipped with the stainless steel models anyway.

>>15146011
what do you recommend?

>>15146146
I found a picture of the spacer piece. Scroll through the images to get to it.
https://www.casio-intl.com/asia/en/wat/watch_detail/GMW-B5000GD-1/

>>15144068
I have it too. I really wish the case was metal and I definitely would have paid for it to be, but I copped it for $15 so I really can’t complain. It’s definitely fun to look at.

>>15144159
You’re a huge fag

I hate the quick release watch band meme

So is Eberhard & Co just the Italian equivalent of Longines? Ive been looking at some of their centennial editions which look fun.

>>15144899
because you can have different looks for different days and not be stuck with a $5000 watch that you feel like you have to baby all the time?

>>15146216
What's wrong with quick release? Sure, sometimes you have to file them down a bit, but pressing in springbars normally is fucking awful.

>sapphire crystal
>solid steel bracelet
>seiko NH36A movement, handwinds and hacks
>under $50

get it before the sale is gone

>>15143261
its a good watch.

>>15146011
the swatch movement is the swissmatic. the powermatic 80 silicium is a decent movement, uses no plastic parts and very much serviceable, nice dial, sizing and finishing. All of it at around 700 USD makes it a compelling buy

>>15145444
Depends, what outfits will you match with it?
>>15145806
Nice benis

>>15145528
the face is plastic you dumb motherfucker

>>15145530
they smell like absolute shit after a month or one time working out.

>>15145806
Absolutely disgusting

>>15146359
>not washing his nato straps once in a while

anyway the best strap for exercise is those casio/gshock resin straps

>>15144159
>>15144141
>>15144092
watchfags utterly and completely BTFO
too redpilled for the shills and poor itt tbqhwy

>>15146364
and you dont have to wash other straps ever, which makes nato massively inferior.

New thread
>>15146376

The good: Seiko is actually going to issue an official redux of their Apocalypse Now dive watch as a mass market version instead of a super expensive limited edition
The monkey's paw drawback: 6R15 Prospex-branded shittery with costing $1,300

>>15144577
>>15144577
Oh shit, it’s my Hamil-twin. What up? Happy quarantine.

>>15146359
I've got one on right now that I've been wearing for 5+ years, it still smells like synthetic fabric.

>>15146355
hmm...

>>15146258
Why

>>15146276
Looks derelict in good, stalker kind of way.

>>15145448
Imagine having such shit taste

>>15144278
what watch is this?

>>15146952
Citizen Cryston

>>15146970
No it's not.

>>15146952
It's a Citizen Cosmotron cal 7803a Special

>>15146276
>Fake ass mechanical meme keyboard in the background

>>15147017
Return to the pit of /g/ from whence you came, foul being

>>15145966
Neon g shock