/fa/ - Fashion

I want it reeeee

Fucking idiot. We’re officially migrating to /g/ and you start this shit.

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>>15101924
No we're not, no one wants to discuss fucking voluntary biometrics spyware.

>>15101903
Have you seen the new Sinn? What do you think?

>>15101892
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>>15101926
What new sinn

>>15101936
https://www.sinn.de/en/Modell/158.htm

>>15101952
>https://www.sinn.de/en/Modell/158.htm
Oh the bund looking one. I like the dial but have never been a fan of that style of bezel, too wide and flat. Gives me ceramic daytona vibes which is not good

>>15101924
>last ~20 posts are mostly about Vostok or smart watches
fucking disgusting

>>15101925
>No we're not, no one wants to discuss fucking voluntary biometrics spyware.
What? You mean smartwatches?
Everyone just laughs at those idiots.

>>15101903
With this black, white and yellow palette it reminds me of a European highway or something Dieter Rams would wear; either way I love it. Which specific model is the one in your pic anon? I've looked around, but found different kinds of chronographs, mainly with 3 dials

>>15102030
Thats a 3646 2nd execution. If you want a guide on old heuer chronos check out vintageheuercarrera and vintageheuerautavia. The quick rundown though is:
>2446
3 register autavia
>3646
2 register autavia
>2447
3 register carrera
>3648 / 7753
2 register carrera

The letters after the ref are just info about colour or whether or not is has a tachy etc. Pic is a 2447N

>>15102038
Oops, should be 3647 not 3648

>>15101934
>>>15101892 (OP)
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Ahhhh, this is getting too confusing.
I'll just post in both.
And for good measure, we can now also discuss the history aspects of watchmaking over here:
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>>15102038
Thank you. They are truly beautiful watches, too bad I don't have that kind of money right now

>>15102045
>getting too confusing.
>"hey i guess i'll go make a third thread!"

>>15102061
>thatsthejoke.tar.gz

https://youtu.be/3Y1uziFrJTg?t=117

Identify this watch please.

>>15102066
Sorry, can't help you, HD is haram, so I can't see it. But I bet it's some
>lol, so wealthy
Rolex shitter.

>>15102066
Why

>>15102085
He wants to have the fashion sense of a rich Indian

>>15102066
The design is pretty much a rolex op39.
Now if it is a similar watch I don't know.

>>15102066
What the fuck is wrong with slavs? Sick people!

>>15102045
>Ahhhh, this is getting too confusing.
you'll get used to it

>>15102108
It has a double index on 12, and it seems to be a chrono, I can sort of see subdials and pushers.

>>15102131
You're right, it has some sub dials. Don't know, probably a instagram tier brand, have no idea.

https://youtu.be/3Y1uziFrJTg?t=213

This is what the beta loser in the video is wearing btw.

Most Rolex wearing boomers that I see have an old 36mm Datejust

>>15102325
>dateJUST
oh no no no

The Datejust is cool. I always thought it was nicer than the Submariner due to the fluted bezel. Wish you could get it with no cyclops though

the OP will always be superior to the Datejust/Day-Date because it doesn't have that hideous bezel

>>15102339
OP is just an Explorer for gay people

>>15101924
Just stay there and don’t comeback you mongoloid gshock nerd.

>>15101892

are swatches the onions of watches?

cant imagine such curvy, feminine, ugly watches ever appealing to anyone other than a vegan mac user

I'll honestly wear a $20 chinese watch over these

>>15102339
I really like the look of the fluted bezel in white gold on the steel models. In yellow gold it kind of looks too flashy.
What's sad about STEEL SPORTS Rolex is that most people are snapping up GMTs and Subs because every hotshot in their office has one. Rather uncool to me personally.

It's all about the Patrick Bateman Datejust

>>15102385
That bezel is so dated. Most vintage watches look good but those things just look terrible.

>>15102375
>mac user wearing anything other than an Apple watch

You're out of touch.

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>>15102385
Always been partial to the turn o graph instead myself

>>15102385
The clasps on these old Rolexes seem really cheap and lacking in features besides adjustment. Do they hold up and how is the quality on the bracelets?

>>15102400
Pretty much up until the mid or late 90s Rolex was still using shit ass stamped steel clasps like on entry level Seikos and the bracelets were only slightly better. People fellate Rolex now for the best bracelets in the industry but that was only after Omega brought milled clasps into the mainstream and kicked them in the ass.
Those vintage Rolexes all have shit clasps.

What are the characteristics that make a pilots watch a pilots watch?

>>15102660
They work in the air.

>>15102660
>big to make it easy to read
>simple high contrast dial so it's easy to read at a glance
>hands are typically very sharp and long for maximum legitibility
>good amounts of lume

>>15102660
It's big and easy to read in most circumstances but doesn't have a diving bezel. More interesting than a dress watch yet more restrained than a diver.

What's the consensus about the Royal Oak ( specifically one in gold ) ?

>>15102685
thin good

offshore bad

>>15102685
The consensus is that it's one of the greatest watches ever made.
Personally I think it's incredibly ugly.

>>15102687
Agree.
>>15102688
Why ?

>>15102697
It has many qualities I think is ugly. I don't like waffle dials. I don't like the integrated bracelet. I don't like the fat rounded hexagon bezel with visible screws. I don't like the rounded markers and hands. And it has all of them at the same time. This was never a watch for me, and to be honest I think it's a huge meme because it was reviled when it was first shown and it took a decade to sell out of the initial production run.

Why don't we Rate Watches ?
Starting with a personal 8.5/10

>>15102707
Interesting. Out of curiosity, can you post a sports watch that you do like?

>>15102715
I bet he's gonna post either a Patek Nautilus ( 7/10 ) or a Rolex Submariner ( 9 /10 )

>>15102711
Urban Jürgensen Alfred 40mm

9/10

When corona is over and stores open up again, I'm gonna look in to getting one of these.

>>15102715
Omega Seamaster Professional 300M

>>15102726
P4 Movement inside

>>15102727
I think it is fair to say that we have opposing tastes. Fair enough.

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>>15102733
Very fine craft indeed
It really looks scandinavian

>>15102739
CEO of the company is danish and he is in charge of their design, so it makes sense.

Movements are finished to a finer degree than Patek or Vacheron. Only Lange is close in terms of hand finishing.

>>15102736
If someone likes the Royal Oak I won't shit on them for it, but I hate the Royal Oak. That's just how it is, can't please everyone.

>>15102748
Does the big circle serve a purpose?

>>15102758
beauty

>>15102733
That's Dufour/MicroArtistsStudio/Voutilainen-tier anglage.

>>15102707
Agreed for the most part, although I like waffle dials and integrated bracelets to an extent. I think it's got great elements individually but is incoherent as a whole. The hands don't work with the dial, the dial with the case/bracelet and to top it off the bezel is just plain ugly. At least it's not an overseas

>>15102764
Yes, those sharp corners cannot be machine polished. They are hand polished.

Urban Jürgensen is true craft.

https://www.urbanjurgensen.com/legacy/craftsmanship/hands

I need a 40mm Alfred as soon as possible

>>15102773
>Yes, those sharp corners cannot be machine polished.
You can also tell by the wideness and roundness of the bevels.
On a Lange for instance, bevels are narrower and flatter because they're mostly done with a little dremel hand tool.

Those round bevels have to be done by hand with a little stick of wood and a rubbing paste.

>>15102766
I agree. There used to be a rumor that Genta designed most of the RO in 1 day because he had forgotten he was supposed to, and I don't know if it's true, but I believe it. The watch is just a whole lot of dated stuff, pure unadulterated 70s, and I found it strange how the watch community will call watches dated or awkward for having the wrong hands or font or something else incredibly petty but then praise the RO which is the watch equivalent of a middle aged man in a jumpsuit with a porno stache and medallion. Personally, I'm not a fan.

>>15102778
Lange have to make several thousand watches a year, so it makes sense they have to use machines, and that's fair enough with those numbers.

UJ make less than 300 watches a year. I love the teardrop lugs as well.

i wish more companies made alarm watches these days

>>15102792
Got any info on their history/heritage?
Afaik the name Jurgensen comes from a Danish watchmaker from 100 years ago.

>>15102803
They have a very long history.

https://www.urbanjurgensen.com/legacy/history

>>15102811
Are they still under original ownership?

>>15102803
not him but the jurgensen lineage is old as fuck. basically what happened is that the jurgensen family was pretty successful at making watches, you can even buy vintage jules jurgensen watches for pretty cheap nowadays off ebay. at their height it was an international company but they died off, though in a way where some of their branches were intact and just operating in a lesser form while others were totally shuttered. some dudes decided to revive the brand in the 80s and return it to pure horological excellence, and went all in on the swiss branch.

>>15102816
Yes the employees just pitched in and bought Mr Jurgensen a Rolex for his 320th birthday last year.

>>15102803
>>15102816
It's like Lange where there was a dude named Lange/Jurgensen 200 years ago who made amazing shit and then decades later some unrelated super geeks decide to bring it back but they're actually bringing quality, not just using the name.

>>15102816
Well no, the last of the Jürgensen family died in 1912.

It was revived in the early 80's by a Dane who bought the mothballed company and watchmaking was led by legendary watchmaker Derek Pratt and later Kari Voutilainen. Voutilainen left and started his own brand, but quality is still tip top as you can see in previous photos.

Pic is a UJ from 1982.

>>15102826
Not 100% the case with Lange, A Lange's descendants are involved in the new Lange.

Carl F. Bucherer is also family-owned

>>15102846
but trash

>>15102847
They're fine for the price bracket they occupy

>>15102038
Why does noone do a thin bezel anymore?
Everybody has to make thicc massive fucking watches where the dial is 6mm or more smaller in diameter than the case. Not to mention the movement is 10+mm smaller than the case.

>>15102871
How thin are we talking?

>>15102871
Because it looks like a clock.

>>15102874
Bauhaus gets an automatic DQ on account the cases are just round with long assfuck lugs not integral to the case design.

>>15102874
>HOMOS

>>15102891
The nomos tetra doesn't have lugs that look that long. Also, you didn't even say anything about lugs before.

>>15102902
I didnt, so? Look how the lugs flow into form on the Heuer and even being long as fugg, the ones on the Omega/Longines have some aesthetic about them. I never got that with Bauhaus watches. Even Radiomir wire lugs are ok by me, but the aforementioned, eh, just not my style.

Oh we have a sister thread in /g/ now? That's brilliant, let's colonize /toy/ and /sci/ next

I wanna trade it for a 3539.50 speedy
Think it'd be worth? I have a few other divers but no decent chronograph

>>15102985
Damn dat look sus af

>>15102990
Not exactly a "trade" per se, more like get $2000 for it on ebay and use it to buy the speedy. If by sus you mean suspicious

>>15102985
trading one boring watch for another boring watch, anon.

>>15102045
>>15102971
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Can anyone identify this Seiko? If I had to guess, I'd say it was some vintage piece of theirs since it doesn't look directly like anything they currently make, but I have no idea. I love that the logo is at the 9 o'clock position and the day/date at 3 o'clock and would love to find something similar that's still in production. I'm having a tough time finding affordable options that are lumed and halfway between dressy and field-watchy.

Also sorry for the poor resolution. I got the thumbnail cached off a forum post where the image host site had gone away so this is all I've got to go on.

>>15103145
What's not boring for ~$2K anon-chan?

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>>15103172
>2000 dollars for quartz
this watch would have to whiten my shirts, balance my checkbook, and get me bad booty bitches

>>15103155
>/ck/
Fuck

>>15103174
Imagine actually thinking this

>>15103162
I can't really tell you the exact one, it looks like an old seiko back from when they had names like "seiko champion" or "seiko laurel" that got used for watches that were like the alpinist.

The closest I can find for a modern watch is the trident vintage.

>>15103198
>richard mille
richard mille is this for rich people

>>15103206
Richard Mille may be ugly for some, but has some seriously fine watchmaking in their movements and cases.

>>15103198
I've heard of everything on that list except Corum, tell me about them.

>>15103251
They make fucking meme watches that look like Swatch or are made of coins
https://www.corum-watches.com/en/corum-bubble

>>15103256
>Hey anon, what time is it?
>*TINK* *ZEEEEEEWWW*

BOSTOK posting from shitter

>>15103256
Woah, that's pretty avant garde. I admire their spirit, if not their execution.
>>15103258
I'd wear this to go golfing desu

>mogs you

>>15103328
Take the celebshit out yeah, we all know they can afford a mortgage on a wrist

>>15103198
Victorianox is entry luxury?

We have successfully expanded to /g/, /his/ and even /ck/. Where next?

>>15103349
/tg/

>>15102985
A few years ago I'd said yes but I'd take the seamaster now, you should stay clear of those auto speedys (just because of their piggy back movement)

>>15103256
these are all awful.
not just the bubble collection, but everything on the whole site

>>15103374
a lot of the fancy luxury watches are really just fucking ugly, like everything hublot has ever made. some of this stuff is just the watch version of modern art where people only pretend to like it because everyone else is pretending to like it.

>>15103348
well it says SWISS MADE on the dial, doesn't it?

>>15103370
You know that the modern seiko chronographs you love so much are just a 6R15 with something to toss out, right?

What assumptions would you make about the person wearing an Arnie?

>>15103514
They like Arnold Schwartzenegger movies

>>15103514
depends on your wrist size

how am I consistently the only person in these threads who actually knows what is a good looking watch and what isn’t

>>15103265
Hello fellow Chad

>>15103542
are you me?

>divers
what is the appeal here? i’ve never seen one that looks good

>>15103549
>big and rugged, lots of presence
>at the same time still tasteful enough to go with almost anything and any situation
>large markers for maximum legibility and holding sexy lume
>timing bezel is easy to use and probably the best tool watch complication for the average person
>built to standards that mean you will probably never have to worry about it while you may have to be more careful about other watches
they're just good all-rounders

My one gripe with Vostoks is that they don't put a spot of lume on the timing bezels, something which would come in very handy on both Komandirskie and Amphibia models

>>15103560
>built to standards that mean you will probably never have to worry about it while you may have to be more careful about other watches
so divers are more durable than an aviation watch?

what is this guy compensating for? is it something small under his belt buckle?

>>15103596
Yes, generally, although aviation watches also have to be designed to resist g-forces and getting knocked around in a cockpit.

>>15103328
PP is for pedophile kikes and their cronies.
Prove me wrong.

Aryan choice is VC or AL&S

>>15103155
>>15102971
No that is your home thread , this is your illegitimate occupy wall street temporary home . You want to go home don’t you ? Your real home

>>15103649
home is where the heart is

>>15103649
watches are fashion

>>15103328
PP should pay Ellen more money for her to not wear it jfc

>>15103474
>chronographs you love so much
You have the wrong anon, I'm not much of a seiko fan due to bad QC. GS auto to thick, I would buy a used 9f if it was a good price tho, not 100% on Spring drive l as much as I want to love it.

>>15103689
>homos

>>15103692
Name me a better watch sub £1200, I never got the hate for the brand.

>>15103702
I just like making fun of their name for looking like it says homos
I also think they're a bit overpriced.

>>15103702
>I never got the hate for the brand.
They got retarded daddy long legs lugs

>>15102993
$2100 is a steal, I paid $2200 for mine but it's because I took a chance on the seller not being in the USA on Chrono24.

If you have the box and papers you can get $2400 on Chrono24. I wouldn't trade for a speedy though, I never liked the way they wear.

So are you guys moving to /g/ or actually staying here

I prefer Casio watches because I have skinny wrists and Casio watches are relatively small.

>>15102685
>Royal Oak
>it's not even made out of wood

>>15102711
A tank solo (steel) for everyday use and pic related as a beater is all I ever intend on buying

Off the top of my head favorites would be the reverso, Royal Oak, Stowa’s flieger line, seamaster

>>15103780
Also I adore the Rolex root beer (like clints) but it would look tacky on me and way too overpriced

>>15103656
True but their purpose is mainly technological. The purpose of a watch is to tell time. The fact that you wear it is secondary. The purpose of of actual clothing and fashion is to hide your body and protect it from the elements, as well as signal who you are as an individual in society

>>15103707
It’s a process, average human is resistant to change. This is a grace period.

>>15102993
Sold mine for 2500 all in on Chrono. Don't sell it for a speedmaster tho.
Save up and buy a new watch, you'll miss the semenmaster and they're getting more expensive, so you'll lose if you want to buy one back.

>>15103853
Also, if you do decide to sell now is the time. New James Bond so people want to be him more tha usual. Then again Coronachan is fu king with people's money and a semenmaster is usually bought by people that really think abiut their money.

>>15103707
Well, you can't have your cake and eat it too. They need to choose.

>>15103707
The thread on /g/ is over bump limit. Yet there is this new one in here. So either someone is being a lame holdout on /fa/ or you guys have chosen not to emigrate from here. You can't have both. Sorry.

>>15102871
>Why does noone do a thin bezel anymore?
I'd add domed "crystals" to the list too.
Yeah, I know, it's plastic and it'll scratch, but they're easy to polish and to exchange and on many watches, they look so much better than a "saphire" That's surrounded in thick and high shrouds of metal.

>>15103705
Yea some models do, some model wear fine.

>>15103703
I thought the same before I got hands on with them, the fit and finish it top notch. At used pricing they are good buying and more for the lower end stuff, club, orion and such.

They blow Oris or rado out of the water, I was so disappointed with them in hand and more so oris but nomos really surprise.

>>15103861
>they

Fuck off, autist. Never been on /g/ and these threads are among the few threads where people actually discuss the topic and where I learn something about it.

My bracelet really stinks. I’ve tried cleaning it with a toothbrush but it’s still dirty.
What do?

>>15104134
go to a jewelry store and ask them to put it in their ultrasonic cleaner

how is JLC so perfect

R8 this watch? Casio AE-W3000.
I always liked the design of the Casio Royale but thought it was a bit small and am not normally one for square faces. How is my shitter watch?

>>15104134
Clorox spray. Seriously, always bleach things like watch bands and computer chair seats. Colour won't leech (that I've noticed l, I always wipe off after about 40s.) And the smell of bleach is comforting to me. That's how I know it's clean.

>>15104159
they are so boring

>>15104171
i’m fine with boring I eat and wear the same things every day

>>15104162
>Have a watch with three time zones at the dial permanently
>All are set to the time zone of your parents basement
Sad.

>>15104180
If I want a boring watch, I'm going to get a Lange Saxonia Thin, not a JLC.

I know there is a price difference, don't @ me

>>15104189
Why spend either of those sorts of money on a boring watch? A Seiko sarb does just as well at being boring and is only like $400.

>>15104185
When I need to know what time it is in a third place, I'll set it.
>all three are the same
Based retard.

>>15104222
30 mins difference is the same.

>>15104210
yeah and if I want to wear boring clothes like jeans and a t-shirt, I can buy that at H&M instead of Studio D'Artisan

But I get the latter because it's a nicer product.

The g thread has legit improved the quality of this thread. Looks like a win win to me.

>>15104290
Those must be really fucking nice t-shirts to be $150+. I can't even imagine wasting so much money on something so bland.

>>15104317
I get the 75 dollar ones

>>15104242
Not as long as UTC -3:30 exists.

>>15104332
I bet you the lower end of their range is probably not any different than the $10 shirts you'd get at H&M. You're just someone who has attached a brand status to them.

>>15104409
No, they are 7.5 ounce loopwheeled t-shirts from Japan. Nicest t-shirts I've ever had. Much better quality than the D&G, Valentino, and Burberry shirts I have gone through.

Made on the same machines that the best sweatshirts are.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPfGgmum9tY

>>15104055

>>15104409
Actually Studio D' Artisan is one of those japanese selvedge companies. In a certain sense those kinds of clothing are only allowed to demand more money because selvedge is the "old way" and jeans usually have small details that are either considered unique and cool (different dyes, special pockets) or increase durability (higher oz cloth, raised belt loops). Then again nylon and nylon blend clothing are generally more durable, albeit slightly less comfy.

Their shirts are sort of the same, but honestly I feel like those details don't matter as much on shirts. Despite this, even their shirts that look about double the price they should are still better value than watches, unless you're trying to buy them for the brand name. Because only denimheads give a shit about jeans and overpriced "workwear" made by japs.

Are Oris watches worth it?
I like the look of some of them.

>>15104486
Oris makes solid watches. There is the typical Swiss markup, but overall the quality is there for the price.

>>15104522
If it's good enough for Robert "down here" Junior.. .

>>15104522
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!
good one
The manlet is trying to get taller!

What's the best looking pilots watch that a pilot could actually afford?

>>15104595
pilots make a lot of money bro
they usually have a breitling navitimer (that they don't actually use) because "it's THE pilot watch" or a rolex. a lot use citizens or seiko flightmasters too though.

>>15104600
I'm just looking around. I found this out of nowhere and I'm fascinated by it because it looks like a better seiko alpinist

>>15104618
"pilot" at this point is really just a style. most actual pilots just use their watches to tell time and it doesn't really matter what the watch is, they might have a GMT or even a gshock. just get that watch if it looks cool. I like it, the big numbers and cathedral hands make it look like you have some big clock tower clock on your wrist.

>>15104624
I know it's more of a style than a function, but I figured pilot was easier than "a watch with lume that isn't a diver"

>>15103549
>divers
>what is the appeal here? i’ve never seen one that looks good
brother!

>>15104134
maybe use an eco solvent (a citrus brand, or Simple Green) to soak in off the watch, then toothbrush and long rinse.
that's what I would try. no actual experience except with bicycle chains.

>>15104484
I prefer samurai and momotarto over SDA personally. Also tube knit t-shirts from japan are incredibly over priced. You can get really nice heavy weight tube knit t-shirts made in usa from goodwear for $45 a piece.

>>15104522
Oh no no no

>>15104803
I actually said something like that in a previous post but forgot to put a picture.
>>15104477
I don't own any Studio D' Artisan, but some people here are transplants from /g/ and might not know about the raw denim culture. Then again all I own is one N&F and sugar cane because I love linen blends

>>15104600
All my colleagues wear cheap Casios lmao
>>15104624
>most actual pilots just use their watches to tell time

If you see your pilot looking at his watch to keep time.. I got some bad news

>>15104618
Sorry, not feeling it.
WTF is that? It's like all watch styles in one. Only thing it's missing to be complete is a dive bezel.

>>15104849
>It's like all watch styles in one
That design is pilot through and through. The first man to fly across the english channel in 1909 was wearing a zenith pilot on his wrist. It was a generally very popular design up until the 30s or so

>>15104934
Who gives a shit about the english channel?

>>15104803
tube knit and loopwheel are not the same

What are the odds that a metal strap will fit my watch?
I'm talking about the first links, the ones that are curved.

>>15104967
Eh fair enough. I just don't think that loopwheeled t-shirts are worth the huge mark-up the way that Japanese selvage denim is. For the same money you can get merino wool and silk blend t-shirts from reigning champ or wings + horns.

>>15104158
>>15104170
>>15104702
Thanks, bros

>>15104522
kek'd and chuffed

Whats the story on these Parnis watches? I want to get one and am willing to take it to a professional watch maker before wearing it for a service and to ensure water resistance. I have no problem with that but with that part aside is there any reason not to own one of these? Seems to me a good one for every day wear. Apparently the bracelets on them now are quite well done.

>>15105182
they're a chinese company making a rolex ripoffs, but not high end ones. their rolex ripoffs use some chinese movement, most likely a seagull, and certain things don't work as they should because they're just trying to be close enough, not exact. the finishing and QC is obviously not going to be amazing but they're decent, with very impressive build quality and finishing considering the price. you don't have to worry about water resistance or servicing, the movements are alright out of the box and the water resistance is said to be fairly reliable and the equivalent of 100m, which means unless you're an actual diver you don't really have to think about it.
the drawback is that you are straight up wearing a fake rolex with no way to wiggle around it by calling it a homage. it is a complete bootleg and if you ever run into someone who knows watches, they will probably think less of you for it. but really, who cares about that?

>>15105192
I think I will pick one up then. Wear it until it shits and then take it to the watch maker if I still like it. About to throw down on one now.

>>15105211
jack off before you purchase it to ground yourself

>>15105211
Why would you need to take it to the watchmaker? It would probably cost twice the price of the watch to service it. And it can go 5-10 years without needing to be serviced since it's a very simple watch. By then you could probably afford an actual Rolex Explorer.

>>15103599
I'd imagine he's compensating for just about everything. Fat, multiple divorces, no job, likely a drunk or drug addict, possibly mentally ill, and likely only gets joy about owning multiple Pateks.

>>15101892
Something similar to pic related, kinda sleazecore, cheap?

>>15105182
Tisell seems better at a glance.

>>15105331
correct me if I'm wrong but aren't tisells harder to get and more expensive?

Opinions on this skitter?

>>15103514
ref # on this?

Are the alcohols the firsts to go, watchgang?

What do you think about Tudor bb36?

>>15105304
>drunk or drug addict, possibly mentally ill,
These are all highly effay though

>>15105417
Harder to get where? Mainland yurop has is a dealer in the CZ that sells them for a (considerable) markup, but also pressure tests the watches before sending them and is surely easier to service within warranty than having to send them off to Worst Korea.

Pic rel, my 43 Pilot.

>>15106028
this is your brain on /fa/

>>15104819
>g/ and might not know about the raw denim cultu
G has its own watch thread pal
>>>/g/75201470
No need for transplantation

>>15106031
Kay thanks refu/g/ee

>>15106017

>'Rotor Self Winding'
Just say AUTOMATIC, or better yet: Nothing at all
>Snowflake hand
I know they have to do something to not look identical to their parent company, but I don't like it

Besides that it's basically an Explorer, so cool.

>>15103185
>Christopher Ward as if it means anything
>water resistance print noone cares about
>CHINA MADE with a price to match
Ditch those and you have one very pretty simplistic timepiece.

>>15105857
Hard to see, but is that Boris Jeltsin on the dial?

>>15106052
People really have a hate-boner over CW. It's pretty ridiculous how much random idiots here and on WUS can find to hate about smaller independents trying to sell decent stuff in a reasonable price range. Yes, their cases come from China, so does almost everyone else. Good luck finding a watch under 1k that doesn't have Chinese components. Seiko's SARX line is just about the only one I can think of. Literally everything Swatch group even up to Omega uses Chinese case blanks which are then finished and assembled in Switzerland, just the same way CW does it.

New one. Needs a new glass and it will be good to go.

>>15106052
If it's good enough for Roger Smith they're probably doing something right.

>>15106098

Christopher Ward has an ugly logo, Swatch a shit & Omega is the very definition of faded glory, literally still pushing their peak-1950s-technology meme watch..

What is even your point?

>>15106098
>Good luck finding a watch under 1k that doesn't have Chinese components.
What about BOCTOK? Aren't they 100% russian?

>>15106103
Nice! Really dig the oldschool ones. And great sweater to boot!
How much did you pay for it?

What’s the take on big crown pro pilots?

Looking at a solid pilots watch within the realm of €1000-1100

Looking at Stowa’s flieger 40mm as well; but this one looks a tad bit more professional, whereas i find the stowas design traditional but rather inflexible.

Movement wise I know they’re both swiss made but are in house movements truly more desirable than ETAs?

>>15106111
You're joking right?

>>15106109
My point is that you're not someone with "refined tastes", you're just a nitpicky faggot who wants the world for nothing. If you think it's possible to make a watch with a Swiss movement without using any Chinese components under $1k, you should do it or shut the fuck up and stop complaining. It's not like you were ever going to buy one anyways so why even bother polluting the world with your cold takes and misunderstanding of how the world operates?

>>15106145
>You're joking right?
Nope.
Aren't they supposed to be made in SImferopol or somesuch with an in-house movement?

>>15106098
You realize all SWISS MADE is overpriced to shit because of the perception of prestige, and the fact that swiss rent, wages, taxes and social security of the workers are sky-high in comparison to say, Germany. Not because of muh farmers in the mountains doing artisanal miniature precise mechanics during wintertime, not anymore. Most of it is made in china and only the final assembly and qc gets done "in house". Then gets a stamp on it and suckers pay for it.

>>15106145
>My point is that you're not someone with "refined tastes", you're just a nitpicky faggot who wants the world for nothing.

You misunderstand. I don't want Swiss meme watches.
>If you think it's possible to make a watch with a Swiss movement without using any Chinese components under $1k, you should do it or shut the fuck up and stop complaining.
Why do you care about Swiss so much?
>It's not like you were ever going to buy one
Now you're getting it..
>why even bother polluting the world with your cold takes and misunderstanding of how the world operates?

Buy what you like. Just don't expect everyone to like that as well.

>>15106153

Isn't Simferopol contested territory these days.

You guys like my double peen?

>>15106207
Love it. Post a pic of the bracelet, it looks interesting.

>>15106215
It's the original bracelet. Looks great.

>>15106222
Nice, that's a great bracelet.

Just got my first real watch after wearing a Casio for years
R8 me

>>15106326
>Casio
>real watch
>Fossil
So yeah, it's a real watch, as in >portable object that tells the time, but dude, you downgraded!

>>15106331
i was really exited to share my new watch with you faggots but i forgot this is fucking 4chan

>>15106207
Why didn't you get the superior doubledick?

>>15106335
Do the subdials even work? The running centre seconds has me suspicious

>>15106335
I mean, it's a nice looking trinket, but you got one of the lowest tier brands (way below Casio…), yet you think it is somehow more "real"?
We're just here to educate you!

>>15106112
Thank you. €700,- shipped. Zweater is Uniqlo lambswool, so you'll have to wait for fall/winter if you want it.

>>15106326
at least get a seiko

>>15106335
meaning what? we have the anonymity to call you out for owning a shitter fossil?

>>15106326
How does it feel knowing that a $40 casio is regarded better than whatever you bought?

are there quartz watches that can match the sweeping movements of a mechanical or is that just impossible

>>15106377
seiko spring drive

>>15106174
Most of everything is made in China, why are you expecting watches to be different? Swiss assembly and QC is fine and all that, I don't really care. A Christopher Ward C60 is a decent watch in the price range because of how it performs, the level of finishing and the service you get. I wouldn't give a fuck if it said "Made on Mars" on the fucking dial. I'm not so concerned about the Swiss Made portion of the dial so much as I am concerned that the watch is well spec'd and well put together for the money, which I would argue most watches in that range are. You're getting a hell of a lot more out of a CW or a Stowa (another one that people love to hate for the same reason) than just about anything you can get from most of the major brands under $1k (except for Seiko maybe) so I don't really give a fuck that CW says "Swiss Made" when it's really "Swiss Finished, Assembled and QC'd".

Its the same way that I don't consider my fucking brake job to be "Chinese made" when the rotors obviously were Chinese steel because I did the work of putting the things on my fucking car. Sure it would be nice if you could get some rotors that were actually made in America from American steel instead of just surfaced in America, but you can't unless you literally pay a machine shop to make them for you from scratch (at which point they're probably not going to be any better than the Chinese made American surfaced ones).

>>15106377
Seiko 5s21 and 5s42 sweep smoothly, using a spring and vial of fluid to damp the ticking. Seiko spring drive and Piaget 700p sweep smoothly using an electromagnetic brake. The accuquartz, the Beta 21, the Longines ultraquartz aren't smooth but almost are; they use a tuning fork to tick hundreds of times per second. The citizen 8810 and 8811 use a balance wheel controlled by a quartz crystal to tick 16 times per second (same as the precisionist). The Luch 3055 and Timex model 62 tick about the same as a traditional mechanical watch.

>>15106377
Electric watches
Some old seiko spirits
Bulova accurist

>>15106388
>Electric watches
not quartz

>>15106326
It's decently good looking imo at least
I have a fossil, I no longer use the watch but I really like the box it came in and use it to store fragrance samples, it says 'radiate positivity' on it

>>15106197
I don't care about Swiss so much aside from the fact that Swiss movements tend to perform better than most Japanese/Chinese/Russian movements unless you are talking very high end or spending a large amount of time regulating them yourself.

What does matter for Swiss watches is that there are people getting paid first world wages to finish/assemble/QC the pieces which does drive up the cost regardless of whether those specific people are any better at it than the Chinese slave labor that builds the unfinished cases/hands/dials/etc. Whether you like those people or not, it necessarily drives up costs which does bring along with it a certain level of prestige.

It's fine that you don't want the watches, but your bullshit negativity towards these brands is ridiculous. You're asking them to be able to afford Rolex levels of Western labor while charging less than 1/5th of that. If they removed "Swiss Made" from the dial (which there's absolutely no reason to do unless you're also expecting BMW removing "Made In Germany" from their branding when their unassembled components come from all over the world etc.) you still would find some reason to bitch and moan about them because you've established in your mind that these watches are apriori overpriced regardless of any real world considerations.

>>15106153
Their cases and bracelets and many internal components come from China just like everyone else. Yes, they are finished and assembled in Simferopol but they are just as Chinese as CW or Omega if you're going to call using unfinished Chinese components being "made in China".

>>15106398
I have my own reasons for not being super into japanese watches, but come on. You act like europe is the only place where people give a shit.

>>15106348
Because it was £120 not £1000.

>>15106400
Old style Vostok movements and cases are made in Chistopol, Tatarstan, Russia.
Bracelets are probably sourced from China.

New cases are probably made in China too. But oldschool amphibias and komandirskies are very close to 100% russian.

>>15106424
"Made in Malaysia" is technically not "made in China", but that doesn't make it good.

>>15106084
yes

>>15106326
My first expensive (150ish dollars back then) watch was a Fossil. I loved it and still have it. Don't let these faggots bring you down, it looks fine and even good to anyone that isn't a watchnerd faggot.

>>15102385
He's supposed to be wearing a day-date, as per the book, which is more fitting desu.

>>15106326
The Casio was unironically better.

anyone have experience with tag heuer watches? eventually i want a tag heuer aquaracer as my first luxury watch. are their watches the sort to last a long time, given proper maintenance?

>>15106609
Heuer used to be a very respected brand but when they became Tag Heuer, they went all in on aggressive 2kool4skool marketing and fell out of favor with many people, coming off as a watch brand aiming itself at the department store trendy yuppie set. They seem to have realized what a mistake this was but the damage is done and they haven't recovered. Their watches are okay, there is nothing actually wrong with them and the cases and everything are finished well enough. Their watches have an industrial look but they aren't badly proportioned or anything.
If you like their industrial design and don't mind their image as a nouveau rich yuppie watch, then get one. Image is kind of meaningless since most people don't care about watches anyway other than them looking cool.

>>15106609
No mechanical watches last a long time without maintenance, but with proper maintenance they can last longer than you, give or take that parts or entire movements may need to be replaced. This applies to pretty much all of them.

>>15106326
Normies will think it's nice and it will get compliments from people. Just don't expect any watch nerd to like it.
Do yourself a favor and look into historic brands.

>>15106614
well that works out because im whatever a "nouveau rich yuppie" is and i really really like how the watch looks

>>15106641
It does look pretty cool. Just warning you that some watch snobs get anal about Tag Heuer and see everyone who wears one as some flippant manchild, like Tom Cruise. Then again there's worse images you could have, watch snobs are rare, and they're usually autistic.

>>15106634
>Do yourself a favor and look into historic brands.
like Invicta?

>>15102818

>Severely underrated post

>Rolex
>Ultimate kek

>>15106667
No, like Squale

>>15106717
never liked squale because they put their logo on the dial twice which is cheesy. not as cheesy as some grand seikos that put seiko three times but still bad

>>15106377
Bulova UHF, Seiko Spring Drive and some Longines I forgot all make smooth sweeping quartzes or otherwise.

>>15106818
Spring Drive isn't really quartz.

>>15102038
Don't forget http://www.onthedash.com/

>>15106833
yeah not at all, it doesn't use quartz at all right?

>>15106843
It's a hybrid system with a mechanical movement being regulated by a quartz brake, while those other watches you listed are quartz driven. It's completely different.

>>15106850
The longines 6512 ultraquartz and Bulova 224 accuquartz >>15106387 are just as "quartz" as a Spring Drive. Your distinction is unimpressive to me.

>>15106858
OK retard, doesn't change that spring drive is not just quartz

>>15106861
please define exactly what makes something a quartz watch.

>>15106818
Spring drive uses a mainspring for power. The quartz mechanism is only for regulation so calling it a quartz movement isn't exactly correct.

>>15106881
Life is too short to waste it trying to explain it to fags like you who aren't interested in learning. You can believe whatever you want. But you are wrong.

>>15106890
please define exactly what makes something a quartz movement.

>>15106881
A good start is using a battery. Spring drive movements don't use a battery.

Basically they use a mechanical mainspring to generate an H-field which induces a current to power the IC circuit and quartz oscillator. The watch uses a system similar to a phase locked loop to synthesize a reference frequency of 32,768 Hz (2^15 Hz) which is then applied as a parallel input to their mechanical control system (a magnetic brake and low pass filter to remove disturbances) to both regulate the mechanical movement's escapement, and extend power reserve.

>>15106920
> H-field
We're trying really hard here.

So a battery (in fact, if we're being pedantic, the overwhelmingly large portion of watches most people consider quartz use a cell, not a battery, and some use a capacitor). What else? Clearly there are lots of movements that use batteries that most people would not consider quartz.

>>15106920
In fact they don't generate a reference 32768Hz signal. Like most quartz watches, the 9R series uses quartz inhibition; the rate is set not at exactly 32768, but is slightly off, which is then compensated for in software.

>>15105322
There's a load of vintage ana-digi seikos and citizens that look pretty similar

>>15106920
digital watches use a battery, but not a quartz crystal

so a a battery is not a good start to defining a quartz watch

>>15106932
A spring moving a magnet over a coil is not the same thing as a battery. And yes, it is an H-field. The mainspring spins the glide wheel which induces a current in the coil (via an H-field) which powers the IC. There's no electronic power source, just a mainspring.

You would do yourself a favor to at least do the very basics of looking into it before you mouth off about something you don't understand.
https://www.grand-seiko.com/us-en/about/movement/springdrive

>>15106948
>digital watches use a battery, but not a quartz crystal
what

>>15106948
They're both battery powered you fucking retard. There's no battery in a spring drive.

>>15106920
so instead of a battery you just have a wind-up power supply like one of those hand-crank emergency radios? with a spring power reserve? then the timekeeping is handled by quartz?
sounds like quartz.

>>15106966
apple watch for example

>>15106971
exactly

spring drive is a quartz watch, but there is no battery

so starting to define a quartz watch as one that requires a battery is dumb

>>15106960
You can say "magnetic field" like a normal human.

>>15106966
While it's true that an Apple Watch doesn't have a quartz crystal, it's pretty much the only electrically-powered digital watch that doesn't, as far as I know. A casio f91-w, for instance, has a quartz crystal.

>>15106920
>a good start is a battery

*holds up plucked chicken*
BEHOLD, A MAN

>>15106833
>>15106890
Yall niggaz is gay. Thats why I wrote "or otherwise".

>>15106977
What makes a spring drive a quartz watch in your view? The gear train is entirely mechanical and the power source is entirely mechanical. I don't think it's appropriate to call spring drive either a conventional mechanical or quartz because it's something else entirely. If you have a reason why you think it's a quartz watch, explain yourself.

>>15106988
a spring drive is a quartz watch because timekeeping is regulated by a quartz crystal

pretty controversial i know, but in my opinion, if a watch uses a quartz crystal to keep the time, it is a quartz watch

>>15106972
The "time keeping" isn't handled by quartz. The quartz provides a reference oscillation frequency which is used to correct the entirely mechanical process of power escapement. The time is kept by a gear train and the movement of the hands is entirely governed by a mechanical process. A reference signal is important for beat error (which becomes a problem at very high beat frequency like the spring drive uses) but the quartz mechanism doesn't actually drive the time keeping.

>>15106988
The only way in which a traditional quartz watch is "quartz" is that the timekeeping is done by a quartz oscillator. Therefore, the distinction "quartz watch" means the timekeeping is done by a quartz oscillator. Therefore, spring drive and Piaget 700P are quartz watches.

>>15107005
>A reference signal is important for beat error (which becomes a problem at very high beat frequency like the spring drive uses)
what

what

What do you think beat error means.

>>15106988
>it's NOT a radio!
>it's a manual-crank electromagnetic spectrum waveform audio transducer!

>>15107010
a solar powered radio, hand cranked radio, battery powered radio, and atomic radio are all different

>>15107017
and they're all radios.

>>15107007
The timekeeping is not done by the quartz crystal. The quartz oscillator is just used as a reference signal. You're doing the equivalent of saying that a car is self-driven because it has a steering wheel, meanwhile it requires an actual driver to operate.

>>15107009
A control system is not the same thing as the actual drivetrain it is controlling.

>>15107017
yeah, the power supply.
you tune them all to the classic rock station, they'll all play Zeppelin concurrently.

>>15107010
Yes, and spring drive is a movement just like a Swiss escapement mechanical or quartz movement is. It is a movement which is distinct from both quartz movements and a mechanical movements.

>>15107034
so there's no difference between quartz, automatic, spring drive, manual, w/e watches because they all tell time in the end? good to know

>>15107032
>A control system is not the same thing as the actual drivetrain it is controlling.
so I assume you're saying you don't know what "beat error" is.

>>15107032
The quartz oscillator is just used as a reference signal in traditional quartz watches as well. Do you think the actual vibrating quartz crystal is physically coupled to the hands or something? In both cases it is a reference signal used by an integrated circuit.

>>15107042
>The quartz oscillator is just used as a reference signal in traditional quartz watches as well. Do you think the actual vibrating quartz crystal is physically coupled to the hands or something? In both cases it is a reference signal used by an integrated circuit.
this exactly.

If I'm being honest here telling time with a vibrating crystal is way more magic and cool than a balance wheel and a wobbly thing

>>15107042
Beat error is just the asymmetry between the clockwise and counterclockwise swing of the balance wheel. The spring drive still has beat error because the fucking balance wheel is still being driven by a mechanical movements.

>>15107042
The quartz oscillator doesn't directly drive the hands but just becomes the clock for the IC to deliver electrical pulses which do. There is no such mechanism in a spring drive movement. It's literally only a used to control an electronic brake attached to the entirely mechanical drivetrain of the watch.

>>15107061
Well the balance wheel doesn't go clockwise and counterclockwise, it only goes in one direction.

>>15107061
So you're saying the difference is one case it's a piezo electric oscillator that creates a signal that goes to an IC that controls when electrical pulses are sent to an electromagnet to drive a motor that controls the rotation of a wheel, and in the other case it's a piezo electric oscillator that creates a signal that goes to an IC that controls when electrical pulses are sent to an electromagnet that controls the rotation of a wheel?

>>15107078
he'll never conceed

>>15107098
I'm mostly just interested to hear more about the beat error of a wheel that only goes one direction, to be honest.

>>15107004

Isn't this kind of autism supposed to happen in the /g/ thread?

>>15107113
No, on that thread people know the glide wheel on a spring drive doesn't go back and forth.

>>15107116
But on that thread, there's the people that would argue over whether a Quartz watch is a Quartz watch or not…

>>15107106
No, you were right about the beat error.

>>15107078
The difference is that the brake doesn't create rotation of the mechanically driven glide wheel. The brake just controls a wheel which is already spinning from the mainspring's power. The wheel is spinning due to the mainspring releasing power and the brake slows that power release. The quartz movement initiates/drives the spinning of the motor, it doesn't regulate an already moving mechanism.

>>15107128
>>15107128

>>15101892
Is there anything for cool tones that isn't a rolex? I'm not huge into metal but people have been insistent I get either white-gold, platinum, or silver for a watch. What are my best options for 500-1000 on those metals that isn't too flashy?

i'm willing to spend more if its not too gaudy im only in my mid 20's I dont need a rolie like my dad and dont want to ask for one either

Do good watches have to have a name brand? I got a really cool looking watch with 2 timezones and all but it's fucking Asos, I don't care and I don't care about people who do but still, it's good to know
Pic related

i got this one as a gift from my uncle