/fa/ - Fashion

>>14947435
My sister her whole life had this
“Yup I have great skin don’t even use soap” not she’s turning 35 and her skin looks like shit lmao shouldn’ve listened to me

let the skin go bad
its better than a life obsessing ove rthis crap
what is difference between doing all this day in day out and the aging starlet who cant let go so she gets ridiculous surgery
let it go
let yourself age
and find a new identity
id rather age than support these businesses

>>14947451
>all day
Each step takes 10-30 seconds, besides the mask.

im in my mid 30s w/ a 5 step western routine and had asian relatives gushing over my skin when i was in japan

7-10 are practically the same thing tho and wtf is an essence?

>>14947530
4 is unironically consoooomer meme

>>14947451
Lmao it’s not fucking surgery you idiot. Have fun being saggy at 33 while us skin fags are still glowing and radiant at 50

>>14947451
Day in and day out. It’s a ritual, meditation almost, self care is important. I take pride in my skin and how well I take care off it. You can say what you want but natural skin can’t give you the glow and elasticity that serums do forever
Whatever you say your skin still looks great at 15 but keep not washing and using shit and you’ll be dull by 25

>>14947562
Lies look it up and Essence helps the skin prep for all the serums and creams

>>14947530
7 to ten is the same thing
Hahahaha don’t use thick moisturizers on your face it’s too delicate. Need eye cream. SPF lotion isn’t moisturizer. It’s gross and greasy get a light moisturizer with spf. Also a sleep mask is just and extra step to get barrier before sleep. Your skin might be great but if not taken care of properly it was show in the years

>>14947587
>>14947435

What’s a good routine? For real. I’ve been looking for years for a routine that’s about 3-4 steps but nobody has a routine less than 20. So much looks unnecessary and I don’t know which to filter out and which are the most essential. Currently I just use a SA cleanser and moisturizer

>>14947435
ok paul allen

>>14947521
>>14947567
>>14947574

let yourself age

>>14947612
cleanser, chemical exfoliator, serum, moisturizer is like the essential basic routine

toner is a good way to get extra anti oxidants and peptides into your routine but its not as essential. sheet masks help your skin absorb serums better. use spf moisturizers in the day and night creams at night but never use products with jar packaging.

high end: drunk elephant
mid range: paula's choice
drug store: cerave, cetaphil, the ordinary

use beautypedia for reviews. gothamista is the only youtuber i trust.

it feels weird to even talk about this here because this board looks like its just for men to post ugly clothes.

>>14947435
Lmao. Imagine slapping 100 of $ worth of chemicals on your face day in day out, instead of eating healthy and doing sports.
>inb4 you will age bad
Things from within the body and general health have more of an effect than a few things that might penetrate the upper layers of your skin, or some that alter mechanics in it. Mechanics that Million of years of evolution won for a reason.

>>14947643
diet is underplayed but good luck not aging into a human scrotum if you dont at least follow the basics

>>14947641
>serum
There's like a million of those which target different things, why would you need one?

>>14947630
Nah

>>14947630
Zoomer with nice skin thinks it’ll not go to shit when he turns 25 kek kek

>>14947612
Look for products that do two things like moisturize and spf or a serum that has a bunch of shit in it

>>14947451
Based. Everyone here is just larping. They probably dont do much of a routine outside of face wash and moisturize, and the ones that don't are probably gonna look the same as those who dont when they're 50.

>>14947641
Why no jars because of bacteria?

>>14947649
what is your opinion based on?

>>14947643
I’m saying do both I’m not saying eat like a garbage can anon

>>14947692
Just go look at old vegans and healthy people versus these damn Koreans with “glass skin” yeah you can eat healthy but your skin needs protection from the sun and at least to clean off the free radicals sometimes

>>14947641
I actually love you thanks for giving real advice

Yeah I like the cerave SA cleanser because it’s 2 birds with one stone... but if it’s worth going for the higher tier products then hell yeah

>>14947703
>vegan
>healthy people
no comment.
So, how long is your "korean" skincare routine practised?
"glass skin" is achieved with makeup, thats not natural.

>>14947687
Hahahah oh fuck I miss being younger fuckinf retared and native. I used to only wash my face with water some days and not anything else. I’m fucking paying for it now. Yeah it looks okay back then but if I did that holy shit I would look greasy and tired. As you age you get more oily skin/ dry problems sagging etc. Let these fucking dumbasses learn themselves like I had to.
Just look at the TWINS in the studies fuck face

>>14947717
what did she do differently, bitch

>>14947710
“Real advice” this shit is really advice bitch

>>14947721
ai post

>>14947720
Smoking, stress, sun damage

>>14947717
If the right twin just used products this couldn’t been avoided

>>14947724
huh. negative lifestyle led you age faster and worse. who had thought. Yet you still attribute it to your chemicals.

>>14947657
Serums are basically like a concentrated fertilizer for your skin that feed it all the beneficial nutrients it can gobble up. Typically you want a generalized one aimed at your skin type for the day and a retinol one for the night.
>>14947691
Lots of anti-oxidants and other important ingredients like vit c breakdown when they're exposed to oxygen, so all those ingredients you're paying for get destroyed and stop working more and more every time you open the lid.
>>14947692
Peer reviewed research.
>>14947703
I read an interesting paper theorizing that high amounts of vit k-2 in the east asian diet are partly responsible for their slow aging. I feel like a lot of it is probably genetic though.
>>14947710
I use one of their cleansers too. :) I'll go high end with a lot of stuff but if my cleanser gets my makeup off and doesn't make my skin feel stripped I'm happy to go drug store.

>>14947712
Also if you haven’t read the famous story with the proof and pictures then why are you even on this thread. Enjoy your gross BUMPY, saggy, uneven skin with liver spots. As you walk past people like me who will still look 25 at 40. Look at reviews for skin dumb fucking Zoomer

>>14947727
Yes meaning if the right twin used products as well she would still look like the twin on the left. Are you actually dumb ?

i meann....

>>14947727
I guess going in the sun is NEGATIVE lifestyle lmao just use spf or don’t your face funeral

>>14947740
it fucking is tho!!! wear a hat and clutch your pearls ladies.

>>14947730
oh yeah, that famous story. I almost forgot. WHAT FUCKING STORY?
Btw, I'm 27 and have not a single wrinkle.

>>14947733
suuuure, like skincare products can fully counter effects of smoking and stress. Sundamage to some degree I'm with you, but those products would have another effect on the skin as well. Also sundamage can be also prevented by not being a retard and hanging out in the sun all day, stay in the shade, covering up etc. >>14947740

>>14947736
Use fucking sunscreen aaaaah i used to put tanning oil and lay in the sun no spf. I fucking cringe so hard when I think about it

>>14947743
It’s nice to be outside you neet. Just wear a hat spf enjoy yourself

>>14947748
If your a narcissist just like my sister this is so funny. I thought I didn’t have wrinkles for years. Go to the mirror look deep down at your skin and you’ll see fine lines Under eyes eyebrows by lips. I just noticed mine this year like an Idiot. Looked at old pics from 2 ago and now I seen FINE LINES

>>14947748
Secret to aging gracefully is never telling all your secrets. Just found a new thing that 60 year old smokers are using to combat their wrinkles.

>>14947750
omg im just grateful to live at a time where we know about this stuff. the shit our parents/grandparents did gives me nightmares

>>14947748
Just look up the glass skin routine and you’ll find the FAMOUS story. Famous in the skin care world

>>14947770
Holy fuck this must’ve did so much damage

>>14947770
my mum used to do this and her skin is fine at 55
maybe its genetics more than anything else. she also smokes, but only one or two cigarettes a day.
spending ridiculous amounts on products that have a 5000% profit margin and paid reviews (seriously) will not save you from DNA or smoking/sun damage

alternatively, my father has worked in the sun his entire life (15 to 50) and he looks much younger than he is

>>14947435
honestly, If you want to have good skin, just wash it and dont burn yourself.
More important than slopping chemicals all over your face is not being a degenerate, having real love and joy in your life, dont have sex with lots of different people, dont do drugs or drink and probably avoid smoking although I've heard tobacco has some positive effects. By doing this to your face you obsess over youth and its vain beauty standards which is unsettling and empty. Most women who look shit when they're 50 appear that way not because they didnt wash their face but because they got rammed and stomped on by life and by others, they got smashed through the wall and into the pit of doom.

>>14947791
and fyi my skin is shit at 25 because i was edgy for a decade and thought my appearance didnt matter
laugh lines, scars, sagging skin. kill me pla

>>14947649
Maybe I wanna look a bit like a human scrotum

What is the male eqivalent of this 10 step routine?

>>14947759
not sure what you try to tell me. You never noticed those lines or you see them now but not on older photos?

Of course one has fine lines where skin folds, I'm speaking of wrinkles.

>>14947766
Thats why I only tell friends and family ;)

>>14947771
Ellie Choi?
>Most importantly is your diet!
Also, the pics of her accompaning her routine are with makeup on and one lowres with high ISO and noisereduction on. Not a good way to judge skin complexion, if its even makeup free.
also, picrel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4nc6OYY3no

USE A313 CREAM FROM FUCKING FRANCE & SUNSCREEN with PA+++
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqkt9rYtt2Q

>>14947807
you can benefit from all of it but at the very very least you want to cleanse, moisturize and use spf. paula's choice do a little line aimed at men called pc4men that's good. I use the shaving cream for my legs and i love it.

>>14947831
yay shes one of my favourite youtubers

>>14947838
She is literally the epitome of aging gracefully. What a hot, GILF!

I think people are way too into other's business to think that skincare as a hobby is stuck on their youth.

We all want to grow pimple-anon, we just want to grow well.

>>14947680
>implying
no, im saying the opposite
let it go to shit
let it age
let
yourself
age

>>14947853
we all will
age.
pimple-anon
but do you want to age properly?
Without sunspots?

>>14947717
Let yourself age. stop clinging to it.
you will never be a sexy young thing ever again
let yourself age

>>14947818
Yes those FINE LINES will turn into WRINKLES if you don’t start using anti wrinkle stuff you tranny lover

>>14947831
is she natty? Like no fillers, no injections, no lifting?

>>14947857
Aging properly is sunspots
stop supporting corrupt industries that have no incentive to actually help you achieve your impossible goal

>>14947818
Yeah I’m older years I was saying I didn’t notice the fine lines but those couldn’t been avoided as well if I just started using the shit I have not earlier. You get what I’m saying now ?

>>14947859
youre overthinking it. nobody is trying to stay a teenager forever. women just enjoy having nice skin at any age.

>>14947865
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-d_F3MczUE
All 64 years of her babe.
Listen to that southern belle wisdom

>>14947641
What is serum?

>>14947818
You think she still using coverup in her pictures?
Also the left is without makeup I’m sure.

>>14947717
I like the way right looks more than left.

>>14947891
see
>>14947729

>>14947893
I'm talking about this one to make things clearer.
I dont have any reason to trust some stranger on the internet

>>14947885
what is this video supposed to tell me? Give me a timestamp if theres something relevant in it.

>>14947793
This is honestly true, part of the reason I use this kind of stuff is because I’ve has to grow through some hard ass stuff in my life. Definitely took a toll on my face I’ll admit. I always think about this. Kinda hard to live stress free sometimes with toxic family, friends you can’t get rid of, and things you can’t control like loved one deaths

>>14947729
>generalized one aimed at your skin type
Reccs? Do you really have to have different products if you've got combi skin?(i've got an oily nose and dry/normal everywhere else)

>>14947435
>not injecting research peptides
amateurs

>>14947435
>>14947720
Just stay out of the sun or use strong sunscreen if you can't due to work or some such.

Literally everything else mentioned in this thread is useless snake oil tier shit.

It's the sun fucking you up.

>>14947853
Everyone has a right to an opinion

>>14947859
Anon you’re not getting the point. We’re not trying to be “young sexy things forever” it’s a ritual a meditation for us. It’s called self care. Nothing wrong with having glowing radiant tight skin as long as you can keep it up

>>14947612
AM
gentle cleanser (splash with water if your skin is dry)
moisturizer
sunscreen (skip moisturizing if your sunscreen is moisturizing)

PM
remove makeup with oil cleanser (if applicable)
gentle cleanser (start with nose, then move to chin and forehead, cheeks should be last. all in all about 1 min)
treatment (ideally a retinol/tretinoin, though oily skinned and acne prone people do like BHA/salicylic acid)
moisturizing cream

once a week throw in an exfoliating treatment like a clay mask or strong AHA treatment

that's all you need. just avoid shitty meme products with alcohol and fragrances
try to tailor the consistency to your skin type, learn what ingredients work for you. even dermatologists agree that the 10 step skin care routine is ultimately harmful because the skin gets irritated. let your skin do its thing, keep it moist and protected and take care of your health

>>14947911
Injection fags can die

>>14947910
There are products meant specifically for combination but sometimes it pays to experiment. I'm the same type and can use certain normal/oily products.

My favourite is the paula's choice ultra light antioxidant serum and you generally can't go wrong with any of their products. Just bear in mind that the retinol ones are only for use at night. If you're on a budget then buffet from the ordinary is a good compromise.

I use this site for finding new products and totally trust it. Their reviews are written by a team of dermatologists who analyze the ingredients. https://www.beautypedia.com/

>>14947913
Someone post the age 60s fa skin queen. Some anons mom who’s 53 or 63 can’t remember and she looks 30 still

take the simple skincare pill

https://youtu.be/tkjWvigs9q8

>>14947435
Wtf I thought you were only supposed to exfoliate once in a while? Also do you rinse off chemical exfoliants like sa before you moisturize?

cleansing, moisturizing, exfoliating and sunscreen. rest is just voodoo

>>14947435
This is bullshit. Just use moisturise/sunscreen, pore cleanser and drink 1L of water daily.

>>14947931
Based advice

what a shit thread, w*men and fags are insufferable

Why is my face skin so much worse than the skin of my forearm, tit, and thigh? they equally don't get any product.

What sunscreen would you recommend for oily skin? I mostly just moisturize and use a mattifying cream but I generally can't stand any product on my face because it's so damn greasy.
>>14948399
My guess it's cause it's thinner and exposed to sunlight the most

Asians have better skin because of their diets,you fucking mongs.
You are what you eat.

>>14947451
based take.

>>14948747
>be vegetarian
>have great skin
Tbh, you just need a good diet in general. Limit processed foods and added sugar. It helps to drink green tea and water.

>>14948768
I agree with this
>you just need a good diet in general. Limit processed foods and added sugar. It helps to drink green tea and water.


but I mean,I know people who eat all kinds of trash,drink and smoke,sleep like shit and still have great skin.
So the fact you're a vegetarian doesn't mean you have great skin because of it. I've seen the opposite
Granted most vegans and vegetarians ,trade animal products for processed food and sugary treats

I am a 29 year old male and have absolutely zero wrinkles whatsoever. My secret? Barely go outside.

>>14947885
She must have had injections.

Wrong, just moisturize and use sunscreen when going out. Rest is diet and exercise.

>rest of my body is silly smooth, not a wrinkle in sight
>Face has three big laugh lines and eye lines and I'm only 25

Why is it like this friends? I have a more intense routine for my face than anywhere else yet it takes the biggest beating. It feels paradoxical

>>14948817
Injections do nothing to the quality of the skin, they only plump out the areas where loss in volume has occured and paralyse the muscles that regularly flex to cause wrinkles during facial motions.

>>14947435
What if she's black?

>>14947759
I love this post so much. You torture yourself so much over something like FINE LINES its no wonder you're looking like a human burlap sack way before you ought to. Meanwhile, i don't give a fuck and likely look much better than you. I will also look better when i am 50! I will look like I have lived a life, been out in the world accomplishing things, while you keep yourself in perpetual existential fear over something that is inevitable. Do you really think looking like an unwrinkled newborn at the age of 50 is A) possible and B) not going to make people think you're a freak? It just amuses me how small you are, there is so little there...

>>14947798
God you really ought to be killed, for being so utterly pathetic.

>>14947630
We are letting ourselves age. But our skin is an organ too, theres literally nothing wrong with investing in the right products and applying to a routine that literally takes up 10-15 minutes of your day, if even. Also, skincare leaves you feeling radiant and confidant you fucking.... you fucking... I won't curse. This is a family friendly site.

>>14947641
excellent advice
>it feels weird to even talk about this here because this board looks like its just for men to post ugly clothes.
also, kek!

>>14947442
>Yup I have great skin don’t even use soap
youre supposed to use soap on your face?

>>14949422
When woman see a 50 year old woman that looks like they are 30? What kind of world do you live in? Yeah the cunts might say plastic surgery and Botox. Not crazy fucks like you will be amazed and doing the whole “tell me your secrets” Not trying to look like an inwrinked newborn. You say you not are but u obviously give a shit or yu wouldn’t Be on this thread. Keep doing your “I don’t care about fine lines act” You’ll be one of those sad scared looking middle aged woman’s just begging for some change from products in your god awful complexion, bumpy skin from not DOUBLE CLEANSING and Sagging fucking wrinkles. We just find things and use them we still
Have lives things to do and goals you cunt
You say you don’t care about age but my tile PUSHING 30 got you to click and seethe because you’re 27

>>14949723
No you’re supposed to buy a cleanser

>>14949422
You are a narrsisist who is probably a fucking cunt in real life. You care and seethed that’s why you clicked. I just started to worry about the fine lines a year ago. Now my skin looks a few years younger. I’m not small I have huge fucking dreams and goals who give a fuck if I was to look like a goddess doing it. Is your brain and closed minded attitude that is small :*

>>14948235
YEAS STILL ONLY EXFOLIATE ONCE EVERY 3-4 days

>>14948235
Also yes wash off acid exfoliating before anything else. Unless it’s made for light use

>>14948273
Post skin then anon

>>14948273
This anon hasn’t experienced a nice sheet mask after a few days and tried a serum for a week. Ahahahhahahahah

>>14948747
I’m not vegan just saying

>>14949063
Maybe you waited to long. Just give it a change to work look out for other things like rentiol and serums

>>14949388
You guys have better skin protection but avoid all other stresser still

Microneedling anyone?

>>14950083
Isn’t this for really severe acne scars?

>>14949758
Ok thx. I'm just using the stridex wipes

>start actually getting 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep
>skin already looks better three days in

Why did no one ever told about this

>>14950083
>micro
That shit is gonna go BALLS DEEP in your face. Dermarolling is used for severe cystic acne you faggot.

Is my prescription Adderall dosage (30mg) fucking up my skin? I could easily go down to 20mg

>>14950083
literal torture device.

>>14950586
>be healthy
>look healthy
Doctors don't want you to know this ONE THING!

>>14947451
Why do anything at all?

>>14950750
there are different needle lengths dumbass

Why do women always let companies run by MEN trick them into buying products that ruin their outer skin layer and make them buy more products to fix it?

>>14950083
I don't know but this woman's results really made me think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChG8aSvEU6A

I haven't tried dermarolling but fact that the wrinkles on her belly decreased that much in just 6 months really makes me want to try it because her situation seemed almost hopeless. I didn't expect that much of a change. Then again it might be possible that it would have cleared up anyway without intervention as a post-pregnancy thing? I don't know but it looks almost miraculous.

I love those!

nice

Recs for moisturizer / sunscreen combo?

Did I just discover the secret compound where people with vaginas hide on 4chan? Pls go.

But also r8 my routine for someone with moderate acne and considerable scarring and post-inflamatory hyperpigmentation:

AM:
Cleanser: Cetaphil daily facial cleanser. I've been hearing about how fragrance is literally Hitler so I'm probably going to look at CeraVe for a cleanser after I run out. But I feel like I've been doing well with this cleanser; I feel slightly tight after cleansing but not super stripped.

Exfoliator: The Ordinary's AHA + BHA 1-2 a week. Too early to say if it works.

Serum: None but I have TO's Niacinamide + Zinc coming in, assuming Deciem's shitty courier didn't lose the package.

Moisturizer/SPF: Cetaphil daily facial moisturizer with SPF 15 if I'm going outside, CeraVe daily moisturizing lotion if I'm staying inside all day with no spf. The Cetaphil moisturizer+spf is kind of ass. I feel very greasy after a few hours. I bought two bottles of it so I think I'll just use those up before going with CeraVe's SPF 30 moisturizer. I'm curious about Krave's beet shield, but it's very pricy for something that is just an SPF, and I want to integrate the two steps if at all possible.

PM:
Same as above but always with the CeraVe lotion. I never exfoliate at night because PM is when I apply .1 %Adapalene (LaRouche-Posay Effaclar) and 5% Benzoyl Peroxide (Paula's Choice). I've been using NexCare's hydrocolloid acne covers, but they're very meh when it comes to staying on your face. Probably going to try Zit Stickas or cos rx's hydrocolloids when I'm done.

I've been on Adapalene for like 2.5 months and I barely notice a difference tbqh. Scarring and PIH isn't getting much better either. My doctor is a cuck and still has me trying bitch-tier OTC shit even though it's been 4-5 months. He hasn't even mentioned referring me to a derm (which I need if I want insurance to cover it). I want to get on tretinoin and/or an antibiotic already.

>>14947435
just use sunscreen, all the other stuff is just marketing gibberish

>>14947729
>Serums are basically like a concentrated fertilizer for your skin that feed it all the beneficial nutrients it can gobble up. Typically you want a generalized one aimed at your skin type for the day and a retinol one for the night.
all that shit doesnt even penetrate the skin.
why are you shilling for products that do not have any effect ? do you get paid ?

>>14953596
I think I've had good success with the niacinamide+zinc. Red areas in my face have seem to faded quite a bit, despite diet and sleep not being the best, so I guess it's working? Now I just need to sort out those 2 factors lol.

Anyone know of any other products that help with general redness?

The question is are you pretty enough to be worth preserving?

>>14947451
Never gonna get married with this attitude.

“Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.”

27, still get mistaken for a highschooler and never had a routine. Where should I start? How long until my skin ages?

>she does a 10 step routine and hasn't taken the bath therapy pill
you'll never stay young

>>14953746
Go on...

>>14953758
Its a no brainer, a bath every day or every other day. But not just any bath of course this time it will be a tea and milk bath. You can buy yourself some teabags and fill it with anything you want just about. Cinnamon, lavender, matcha, myrhh rocks. It goes on. I like to steep it in actually hot water first and then add that to the tub while its filling for a richer bath. And a bath with just tea/herbs is fine but to get even better results you pour in milk, about 3-4 cups every 20 gallons. Get yourself a face towl and soak it into the water and let it rest on your face during your bath. That shit is full of antioxidants and other amazing things the longer your soak the more your body absorbs. When you just do a face treatment only your face really get the benefits. Leaving your face (and hands that applied the products) looking nice but then the rest of your body ages like shiiit.

>>14951423
if you dont eat or drink very much water on it or abuse it in a way where youre staying up later than normal then yes it will. even so, it still cant be good to take it too much.

>>14947435
>korean ten step skin care routine
it's just a waste of money....

11 step korean skin care rituals are excessive and unnecessary

You wanna know why Korean celebs have flawless skin? It’s not because they put 10 different heavily fragranced creams on their face. They’re paid to look good and they can afford stuff that works, and fast. Expensive derm procedures are more effective than creams (which can only do so much, as the nature of your skin’s composition prevents ingredients from penetrating the skin far enough to be harmful or very effective). And most importantly, it’s b/c their genes. You couldn’t cop those even if you are fabulously wealthy.

Eating a balanced diet of healthy fats and naturally-derived vitamins will do wonders. Don’t traumatize your skin with rough (non-chemical) exfoliators and derma-rollers, please. Using a protective full spectrum suncreen also has it’s benefits, but if you go overboard with the moisturizers and serums your face can swell up and that’s not attractive. (and if you’re not wealthy, it’s all a waste, really.)

>But mixing actives may not be the best course of action if they aren’t already compounded in one product, experts say.

sources:
https://globalnews.ca/news/3332850/these-are-the-skincare-ingredients-you-should-never-mix/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3088928/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3088928/

>>14953768
Oh! I forgot to mention, alternatively a coffee bath is also wonderful. It is rich in caffeic acid, which has been studied to improve collagen production and reduce aging on cells.

>>14953768
>>14953788
I can't believe I let this slip me by a bath of course. Gonna do some studying on what the best witches brews for bathwater is now thx

>>14947435
no amount of shit you put on your face will stop wrinkles. it will merely slow them down.
it comes down to genetics, diet and stress.
the most important thing you can do is wear an spf and moisturize. thats all

>>14953788
no

baths dry out your skin (by stripping it of it's protective oils)

>>14953814
Apply a moisturizer after the bath. duh

>>14953832
ooor just don't dry out your skin to begin with?

>>14953776
Moisturizer, SPF and face serums absolutely DO work and do keep your skin young. Expensive derm procedures do not really exist, the only one which does keep your skin young is dermaneedling and anyone can afford it. All the other stuff is temporary fixes that end up hurting your skin in the worst case scenario, such as face lifts or certain laser procedures.

>>14953836
Oooor you could absorb the benefits from the herbal bath and then lock it in with a moisturizer?

>>14953842

>>14953837

>>14953814
Herbal baths are huge in asian cultures so they are definitely onto something. Your skin will absorb the nutrients and shieet from the bath water, perhaps even more than a cream you rub on your face and then sleep in which the cream then rubs off your skin onto your pillow because you can easily spend a couple hours in a bath, water soluble ones at least. The hot bath will increase blood circulation which helps skin maintain its health and produce collagen, and then you simply moisturize afterwards which you should be doing all over your body anyways.

>>14953776
>>14953847
hot baths arent good for your testes though.

>>14953837
Studies on aging have pretty much concluded that loss of subcutaneous fat and bone is what causes sag and the appearance of facial aging. In populations like East Asians where aging is less apparent in the skin with time in comparison to Europeans especially, this is wholly due to the nature of their facial fat. Those expensive face creams ain’t doing shit. Unless that dumb mask is restoring lost fat to your face and reversing natural wrinkling you’re not gonna look younger, just develop more of those dreaded lines down the road if you keep doing them.

>Aging of the human face is the result of both superficial textural wrinkling of the skin and changes in the 3-dimensional (3-D) topography of the underlying structures. The skin, soft tissues (subcutaneous fat, muscle, and fascia), and structural support (bone and teeth) are individually affected by the aging process, but they also act in dynamic unison to determine the phenotypic presentation of the face throughout life. The major forces contributing to facial aging include gravity, skeletal remodeling, subcutaneous fat redistribution and loss, hormonal imbalance, chronic solar exposure, and smoking.

>http://www.beauty-review.nl/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/The-anatomy-of-the-aging-face-volume-loss-and-changes-in-3-dimensional-topography.pdf

>>14953850
Your fertility is only affected temporarily, if at all.

What the fuck do I do to nasolabial folds I just turned 18 last month and they look fucking horrible AAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>14953932
quit fucking whining

>>14953734
Honestly if you don't have complaints about dry or oily skin, or acne, just cleanse with water and use a light moisturizer with SPF 30+. I wouldn't fuck with skin that is already healthy beyond using sunscreen.

Any vitamin C serums to recommend?

>>14954140
I got you senpai
take some lemon juice, now take some water, add a TINY bit of gelatin in it for texture. Booom goyim here is your "serum"

>>14954015
why? fuck off

>>14954242
unironically lose weight friend

Guys. I'm looking for a new routine but I'm reluctant about vitamin c serum. I don't have any dark spot issues and it says it reduces melanin production. I'm not an asian girl who wants to look whiter. I actually want to look tan. Should I really incorporate that shit in my routine?

>>14953705
I got married with this attitude, lol

>10 step skin care routine
Umm, sorry sweaty, Retin-A is a miracle drug and all you need. Who wastes their time and money on all that shit?

>>14954254
i'm 55kg @ 179cm

>>14954146
I kow the american education system is not the greatest but maybe reasd some medical or pharmaceutical literature once in a while before you make negative comments about topics you dont understand.

>>14954304
If you read enough literature about the subject can you answer this >>14954278

>>14953853
>concluded that loss of subcutaneous fat and bone
>causes sag and the appearance of facial aging
Facial bones do continue to grow but this isn't just loss of fat. Decrease in collagen and decrease or increase of elastin in the skin (both part of intrinsic and extrinsic ageing) make for the most impactful aged appearance. Collagen can be built up via peels and retinoids, but keeping elastin in shape is impossible, no products that advertise for this have any public research and even the papers that estimate retinoids having some effect have others saying otherwise.

>>14953932
Unironically get botox injections.

>Rohto Mentholatum - Hada Labo AHA+BHA Face Wash 130g - 3 Types
Is this good for aha+bha?

>>14954278
Why do you need a new routine then? Vitamin C seems like an epic meme that no one is going to care about in a couple years, and you don't have any issues that it might help with anyway.

>>14954146
>lemon
Based retard

>>14954296
Very cool! Does anyone know how regulated tretinoin is in South Korea and Asia in general?

>>14953845
>>14953836
Actually a bath will be good for keeping your skin in good shape and moisturized as long as you moisturize after getting out of the tub. The oils on your skin do nothing to moisturize and are only sealing in moisture(water). When your skin soaks in the water from the tub and you use a proper oil based moisturizer afterwards you are essentially locking in a lot of what your body soaked in. I guarantee if you take a good herbal bath and apply moisturizer your skin will be remarkably smooth and soft much more so than if you used a lotion on its own.

>>14954471
Lemon works fine AS LONG AS IT IS PROPERLY DILUTED TO A PROPER PH FOR SKIN

>someone talking about skin care product/routine on their blog/youtube channel/wherever the fuck
>wears a heavy amount of makeup

>>14954512
That reminds me of Sonia Anastasia. Speaking of, it's crazy how she and others keep rocking around with le natural meme shit like kombucha and downing whole bottles of Vitamin B5 in a day instead of getting on real medicine. She's complete pizzaface mode and still hasn't gotten on accutane. She could have been cleared up by now but she's just let her face get completely covered in scars instead.

>>14954524
k... keep me posted

>>14954477
A kg of food grade ascorbic acid is like 10 bucks. Much cheaper and easier to dosage than lemon.

how do I keep my skin looking smooth and fresh? I just turned 31 and I'm getting worried. I've been drinking a lot more water recently but I don't know what to buy at the self care store and I'm too shy / paranoid to ask the staff in case they think i'm stupid or try to sell me meme shit that doesn't work

>>14947435
lmao fuck this. All you need is a good cleanser, a moisturizer, and SPF. The MOST important is SPF.

Stop giving your money to large corporations who don't care about your wellbeing and only want your money. There's a reason that all this is considered "essential." To make a profit, faggots.

>>14954616
what is SPF?

>>14954619
just sunscreen. spf stands for sun protection factor. Most good facial moisturizers have it, but I still use normal sunscreen during the summer when I am out for a long time.

>>14954623
i stay indoors all summer, as I hate the sun. moistureboi with SPF should likely be enough then.

how much should I be paying for an SPF moisturizer? I found an Origins "A Perfect World" spf jar of 50ml but it's like $60

>>14954616
>moisturizer
why does everyone parrot like this is such an "essential"? Do you all have dry skin or is there another reason to use it?
>>14954633
Why not just by a humidifier?

Vitamin A, B3, C, E or GHK-CU all have studies backing up their claims. I dont get why you would call that snakeoil.

>>14954646
no idea what a humidifier is, I'm the newbie anon afraid of his rapidly approaching old age. Sell me on this humidifier idea

>>14954649
disclaimer: broscientiest, learned from the internet.

>humidifier
are devices increasing humidity (the concentration of water vapour present in the air.).
You have to consider the transepidermal water loss (TEWL) that is affected by different things like status of skin barrier, heat or humidity.
Easy spoken: The less humidity, the more water is drawn from your skin (Hygroscopy).
Moisturizer contain humectants, hygroscopic substance used to keep things moist. Ideally, they draw water from the air onto/into your skin. Is the humidity to low they draw more water from the deeper layers of the skin thus increasing TEWL, drying your skin. Thats why you also apply an occlusive cover on the skin, that inhibits TEWL to keep the skin moisturised. If your skin isnt dry to start with an occlusive alone would be enough I assume.

Standard moisturizers contain both of those substances though I guess.

>>14954703
https://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/moisturizers-do-they-work
not a bad, short and easy read about the topic

>>14947641
no, my oversized jacket with Korean text looks cool

>>14947451
based retard

>>14947435
>buy our tubes of coconut oil and mashed foreskins or else your beauty will fade prematurely, goyim
Pure, preening faggotry of the highest faggot degree

>>14954643
You can find way cheaper one amazon
For $15

>>14954616
You can do this but will not get the same results as doing the serums

>>14954609
Just google what your having problems with and get it.
There are a lot of serums to choose from
I would look at the description

>>14954444
Dermal rolling and serum

>>14954296
Sorry sweaty people who want to look great

>>14953847
I love taking tea baths

>>14955020
Just took a two hour long milk and green tea bath it was fantastic, skin now feels like a newborn baby

How do I get tighter skin? I'm only 20 and really skinny but it feels like my face is flabby as shit

>>14954440
retinoids have minimal effect on aging and aren't necessary, like almost all "skin care" + stripping your skin of it's protective oils so you can apply moisturizers on top is kinda dumb

>>14955509
it's probably just you genes then

why yes we are skin care enthusiasts and definitely not from planet mars how could you tell

>>14955683
skincare =/= makeup

>tfw if I wasn't a smoker I probably wouldn't need to do much more than cleanse and moisturise

Incentivise me to quit anons, I'm 24 and my skin still looks young, but for how long?

>>14955715
well, there is not a single proper reason to smoke. maybe switch to an electronic cigarette to make quiting easier?

>>14955741
I've thought about it but I'm not 100% sold on the idea that they are considerably safer than smoking, there's so little data available as to how they will affect your health in the long term, at least with cigarettes I'm well aware of the risks I'm taking on. Plus I think if I switched and started feeling better I wouldn't have any incentive to give up completely, my lungs might be in good shape but I'd still be hopelessly addicted to nicotine.

>>14954646
I just have really dry skin, esp in the winter. during the summer I can usually go without.

>>14955785
maybe a Heat-not-burn product instead?

whats the best natural moisturizer for your face/beard?

>>14955715
if you're a man it doesn't matter. it doesn't matter anyway, woman or man, but general consensus is that men blossom with age. you're gonna look like Clint Eastwood, man. Or Chuck Norris. Or maybe Joey Diaz.

>>14955785
Bro I smoked in highschool. First impression of vaping was that it sucked, felt totally different, and was garbage. Now I only vape.. it takes a while to get used to the clean nicotine buzz instead of all the chemicals and the oxygen in your blood dying off that you get from smoking. Totally worth it though because it's way cheaper, cleaner and you don't stink. Many people see smoking as a degenerate thing, and if you smell like cigarettes you're also a degenerate. I understand there are memes centered around ridiculing people who vape. you don't have to show anyone it.. you don't have to hide it either, obviously. I'm not over here blowing clouds. I can tell you also that the hindrance on your breathing is virtually non existent with vapor. If I smoke a cigarette I can feel the effect it has on my ability to breathe and do cardio for a few hours. you can also get away with vaping anywhere.

i'm pretty sure no matter what - that smoking is far more harmful. whether we're using data from today or 60 years from now. I think vapor has the potential to carry more heat with it.. other than that, nicotine, propylene gycol and vegetable glycerin shouldnt be that harmful.. cigarettes don't just have chemical additives, paper and produce smoke - the tobacco in them is also grown with fertilizers that have material in them that decomposes into polonium which is radioactive. go on youtube and look at the videos of people putting geiger counters over packs of cigarettes and detecting radiation in them. that's probably the main reason people are getting lung disease and cancer from smoking.

>>14956122
I want to say in advance to anyone that may object to my stating that vapor doesn't have lasting impairment on breathing.. there are some things to learn about vaping. AFAIK higher VG content in your liquid means you need to vape at a higher wattage, or else it can be very harsh. that's pretty much all I know

Wouldn't take any advice from anyone here unless they post their face

>>14955509
Look into egf or peptides + dermal rolling .25mm

>>14949723
You should use a fash wash yes, or something like a scrub. Gosh men are so gross. It's like asking whether you need to wash your hands or feet

>>14947717
The woman on the right looks bad because she's been outside more often. The UV-light from the Sun breaks down the DNA in the mitochondria of the cells (not the DNA in the nucleus). It has nothing to do with using expensive skin care. Use sunblock for UV protection and you will be fine. Also a good diet is important. Buying 50 dollar skin care products is consoomer culture

I'm a guy and I doubt I need to do anything but cleanser, moisturizer, and sunscreen. Everything else seems like complete bullshit

I'm 22 and I already have some deep forehead wrinkles because I kept scrunching my face, 2 years of panic attacks, shit diet, shit sleep, and smoking weed every day. Anything I can do to offset this? Everything else is exactly how I was when I was 18

>skin super oily all day after applying moisturizer
what do? I have oily skin to begin with and didn't use moisturizer while using proactiv for a year+ and my skin actually looked alright. Now I know it's important to use moisturizer but it makes my skin super glossy and oily
using pic related because I started using all clinique products, the answer is probably to change moisturizer but I hate the whole trial-and-error and just want to stick with something that supposedly works

>>14956810
I have this problem too, but mainly because I subconsciously lift my eyebrows while doing anything that requires effort, like studying.
Although, being a man, I don’t really see this as a big problem as wrinkles aren’t unattractive on us.

I have recently gotten lots of closed comedones on my forehead. I don't really have acne anywhere else...

Any tips?

Do I need to cut out milk? I love milk and it's almost a core part of my diet to stay /fit/ . I kinda doubt its related to milk since I have no acne elsewhere.

>>14947641
I can’t wait to be semi-rich and exclusively use drunk elephant

>>14956855
Clinique is shit, made worse by the fact that its overpriced. It's only for old people who produce less sebum. Just use CeraVe.

>>14957133
you will only know if you try. Cut dairy out of your diet and if it gets better start again. If it comes back stop again.

>>14957133
>Do I need to cut out milk
It's not about milk. Anyone who tells you it's milk or sugar doesn't know the depth of it. It's anything that raises insulin levels in your bloodstream, directly or indirectly via spike of glucose. Increased levels of insulin can increase sebum production and inner-follicle shedding thereby blocking the pores. So if you want to test the diet route then avoid foods with a high glycemic load and those that have a high insulinemic index. You can find tables on the internet for that.

What can I do for my skin without buying creams and shit?
wash face with cold soap more than once and drink water?

>>14956107
>enabling an unhealthy for muh rugged millionaire look

>>14947435
If Korean skincare is so good why is korea the capital of surgery?

>>14959875
DO NOT use hand soap. It's too alkaline and will fuck up the gentle and thin skin on your face, removing all the oils and drying it out.
Just wash with cold water morning and evening. It's as simple as they get.

>>14959982
Okay understood. Body soap is also a no go I presume.

>>14951423
>is pharmaceutical meth bad for me?

>>14948787
Lamo, I'm 29, no wrinkles and am outside pretty much from an hour after sunrise to sunset. No suncream just a wide brimmed hat.

>>14959940
>If koreans care for their skin, why do they care for their facial aesthetics?

>>14947630
Don't clean your teeth, let them age naturally

>>14960024
Lmao kek

>>14956810
Rentiol, the buffet, derma rolling serums
Just google about anti aging food

>>14947435
lmao at 4

>>14960005
A wide brimmed hat is more effective than sunscreen