/fa/ - Fashion

derma-rolling doesn't do anything but minox is legit & safe, yes

>>14742708
Holy fug … I hope that's not shooped.

Do you have to permanently use minoxidil to keep your hair gains?

>>14743620
Do you have to eat every day to stay alive?

Do you have to keep feeding your car gas to drive?

Do I have to exercise consistently forever to stay fit?

>>14743620
I'm a barber. Yes you need to use it for a long ass fucking time, but when you get all that hair you desperately wanted, you can stop using it.
Way more than 3 months. If the guy on the pic stops using it,he'll lose those "gains".

>>14743639
This is bs it will just fall out again if you stop minox. Why would the effects be permanent?

>>14744245
They dont want to see how utterly pathetic it is to cling to their shitty obviously fake hairlines. These people are probably virgins, which is even more ironic. Not like they can have less sex than they're currently having so nowhere to go but up. Can you imagine being proud of using hundreds of dollars a month and constant maintenance to have a hairline that looks like astroturf has been plunked in.

>>14744361
>hundreds of dollars a month
derma rolling + minox would be about $10 a month if it's only your hairline. that's 2 lattes or netflix or a gram of weed

>>14742708
Can't speak much about derma-rolling. Never personally tried it.

If however, your using minox for your head hair, realize it isn't permanent. Whatever gains you make will be lost if you stop applying minox.

Minox for facial hair however, is a different story (at least from what I understand). Once the hair goes terminal, it's permanent.

>>14744382
>Minox for facial hair however, is a different story (at least from what I understand). Once the hair goes terminal, it's permanent.

Does anyone know why that is?

>>14744391
Not entirely for sure. Something to do with DHT I believe.

Minoxidil and finasteride is the most effective treatment for justenings

>not going bald but using mino for beard

How I do my skincare now? Obviously you can't put it before because it needs time to sink in, but putting on top of layer of skincream doesn't sound good either.

>>14744552
>How I do my skincare now?
Why are you trying to grow a beard if you're a woman?

>>14744391
make pattern baldness doesn't affect beards, so once you start growing facial hair you don't lose it. if you're balding, once you get off minox you'll resume.

>>14742770
you absolute fucking retard
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3746236/
>The mean change in hair count at week 12 was significantly greater for the Microneedling group compared to the Minoxidil group (91.4 vs 22.2 respectively).

>>14744929
how does putting little holes in your skin provokes hair growth? Increasing blood flow nice and good but why does it evoke hair folicels to produces hair?

>>14745009
because they use it with minoxidil, not on its own. maybe it helps the minox get where it needs to get

>>14745009
Idk man it makes sense though, if your knee gets scuffed often enough the skin gets tougher, if your hands get beaten up enough the tendons get thicker; why exactly is it believable for your body to make adaptions to tendons and skin but not believable for it to make adaptions to hair density?

>>14745139

based retard logic

Have any of you gents used mino for diffuse thinning over your whole scalp? I need to do something about mine desu

just fucking shave it and get a system. It's easier and looks way better.

>>14745224

>>14745207
it varies per person but it didnt do shit for me

>>14745009
>>14745133
>>14745139
>>14745182
When your body recognizes a wound, it sends growth factors to the cells in the area to stimulate healing. Some of these growth factors are cell specific, so that you the muscle underneath skin doesnt grow uncontrollably while the skin is healing. Others are more general (like DHT). Increasing dht concentration near hair follicles can help stimulate the blond baby hairs into maturation.

You can also argue that you're treating pores for deeper penetration of minox, but I dont see it being that drastic. Minox is already pretty small and amphithatic as a molecule, so absorption isn't usually a huge issue.

t. Stem loser

>>14746192
Yes and if you want to increase blood flow I’d recommend a good scalp massage every time you’re in the shower and ~15 min of scalp exercises like this: https://youtu.be/uTN7DnSaKq0

Exercising your occipitalis and frontalis muscles will laxen your galea (the tightness of which is correlated with hair loss), and due to the same mechanisms that give you a pump in the gym, suffuse your scalp with blood.

>>14746192
does this procedure has any long term negative effects? Like running out of hair earlier in live (if thats possible)?

While I dont really have thinning hair I'd like to have my temples filled in a little bit more to get a less apparent adult M shape. So I'd be willing to dry to dermaroll only.

>>14742708

Try derma rolling. Its cheaper and safer. I guess blood flow in the hair is good

Don't waste money on minoxidil
If your balding is mostly because your

- Diet (Don't be a vegan and get all vitamins and minerals)
- Stress
- No blood flow
- Too much chemical filled shampoo and other shit products in your hair (change to organic)

You want to be healthy and feel good

Im only 1 month in and havent seen any results so far, hoping for the best. Heres my routine:

2x Rogain per day
2x Propidren per day (a weaker, natural version of fin)
1x Oil massage per day (mix of castor oil, peppermint, and rosemary)
1x dermapen per week (Dr Pen brand, 1.5mm length)

I also work out 3x a week and eat healthy now. If theres no noticeable improvement after 3 months, then theres no hope for me.

>>14746269
You're fucking retarded.
MPB is 95% genetic and hormonal, barely related to diet and stress.

>>14746322
Not him, but you're both wrong. It's polygenetic and environmentally influenced. It's known to skip generations and manifest itself differently in twins with different habits.

Your follicles have a baseline DHT resistance that's genetically determined, so if you struck out COMPLETELY in that regard ie inherited full baldie genes you're fucked. Opposite applies if you have great hair genes, nothing you can do will make it fall out.

Most guys fall in the middle, where we have a certain amount of thinning and hairline recession programmed into our DNA by default, but the extent and age of onset can be influenced by staying in good cardiovascular shape, eating an anti-inflammatory diet (like the Native Americans and Mediterraneans did, who curiously had extremely low rates of baldness), and generally taking care of your hair.

>>14746337
Polygenic inheritance is still genetic lmao
I know it's a complex trait and I wasn't wrong either.
If your follicles are DHT-sensitive and you produce a lot of DHT you're fucked either way and no dieting or exercise will help you to any significant degree
.
People who improve their hair through general fitness and avoiding inflammation are either outliers or had telogen effluvium.

>>14746197
>>14746258
I should clarify that I was talking more about the theory behind it. I haven't seen much in the way of deep clinical trials that offer the same conclusion. I'd recommend buying one on Amazon for $20 and trying it before you drop big money on professional consultation or anything. Always remember that there is an industry based on selling people 'cures' to their insecurities. And finally, dont expect it to move your hairline forward into territory that was never occupied. You're better off going to Thailand and spending 5,000$ on some unlicensed technician to move hairs from your butt to your temples.

>>14742708
There's no point in trying to treat mpb without transplants if you are norwood 3+ , might as well shave it off if you're that far gone.

So, what dermaroller should i buy?
1.5mm?

>>14746510
Start shallow .5-1mm and gentle and slowly increase it over time until you hit the sweet spot. Too many people diving headfirst with no regard for their health.

>>14746740
Thanks anon!

>>14746487
transplants will get you fucked as you loose more hair. You'll end up looking like a freak.

>>14746740
I got better gains the harder i wounded, pretty much have blood running down my forehead whenever i needle now, i use 1.5mm, the length used in the studies. It's probably not that safe, but i can't imagine rolling with .5mm doing much. I've tried rolling with 1mm before moving on to 1.5 mm and that barely got me any gains.

>>14746767
Everyone is different. Enjoy your wounds.

>>14746761
Treating it at that stage is fine imo if you plan on getting a Transplant later, only norwood 1 and 2 look decent imo. I think it's much better to fully shave or at least get a close buzzcut as soon as you get to NW3+.

>>14742708
he believed the pharmaceutical jew

>>14742708
For what it's worth, I'm using peppermint oil (5 drops, undiluted) twice a day, and dermarolling (1.5 mm) once a week. Three months ago, I was pretty much completely bald on top of my head, and since then a lot of hair has grown back. Another few months, and I won't be bald any more.

I just got my 1mm in the mail. feels weird, but I'm going to try it for 3-6 months daily. start off slow add minox and disinfect it with apple cider vinegar braggs (extra nutrients0

The vanity in this thread is excruciating. If you're balding, just own it.

>>14747959
>complaining about vanity on /fa/

>>14744373
where the hell are you buying weed at 10 a gram

>>14745224
A system?

>>14746832
>(5 drops, undiluted)
OUCH

>>14747975
any city in USA, my nig

>dermaroller
cant find any non-chea-china version to buy. I just want something clinical steril.

Is a dermapen better for me? Anyone experience with it or both?

>>14746295
>1x dermapen per week (Dr Pen brand, 1.5mm length)
Why not roll every day? Don't do it hard, just enough for irritation. No blood.

>>14747980
rug
piece
dead cat
astro turf

>>14747935
youre not supposed to do it daily, you gotta let it heal. also youre not supposed to apply any chemicals like rogain on your scalp after doing it because itll absorb into your bloodstream. do research before getting into this shit. i bet you didnt even think about sterilization.

>>14748419
just search for stainless steel dermaroll

>>14748605
sterilize with apple cider vinegar. you get the benefits of disinfection and nutrients

>>14748419
i recommend Dr.Pen. Either the ultima a6 or a7. The needle attachment comes pre-sealed and supposedly sterilized, but I still sterilize them before use anyway. Theyre meant to be thrown out after each use.

>>14748600
Because youre supposed to let the skin heal, otherwise youre just doing damage and can potentially scar. The clinical trial had them use 1.5mm once a week to week and a half.

>>14748613
>Dr.Pen
Kinda looks just as chinese, really worth the bigger price tag?

just got my roller, wish me luck … you gaywads

>>14749111
You can buy reps on ebay for half the price, but I dont know how trustworthy it is. I personally think it works well for what it does, but keep in mind I havent seen any hair growth results yet after 1 month so who knows if its really worth it.

>>14749887
god look with it and some positive results.
I'm mainly interested in it for my face and red spots from ingrown hairs on my legs (if it can help with this). using it on my temples would be a nice side benefit.

>>14742708
I just started using Finasteride,my hair loss is far for being noticeable or urgent,since my hairline didnt recede a milimiter and i just been noticing some thining for the past two year when i shower,but at the same time i dont want to take any risks.
Should i buy minoxidil already or wait to see the Finasteride effects? i heard that when you begin using Minox your hair falls off before growing again is this true?

>tfw cousin who is in hair care industry said I'm receding and so is my crown
>she says "it's OK anon I think all guys look better bald anyways"

Heh... Thanks for helping me cope.... Cus.....

>>14748600
absolute most you should do it is every 3 days

>>14748600
The whole point of microneedling is the renewing of the tissue by healing small wounds.
Its absolutely retarded and pointless to do it without the proper of resting.

>>14750159
I lift weights 24 hours day nonstop and I'm YUGE!!

Trying to apply my minoxidil daily is really difficult because it makes my hair look horrible if I apply it in the morning. They're apparently releasing finneastride + minox in a tablet form sometime within the next 9 months but I really need to try and use the topical treatment more strictly. I have a dermaroller but I'm unsure how to properly sterilise it between uses; I've variously read that you need specialised alcohol, and just boiling water is fine. Help?

>>14750180
Boiling water is more than enough to sterilise a dermaroller.

>>14750202
If you're only using it on yourself, why do you need to sterilize it?
You're not dermarolling your ass crack, are you?

>>14750213
there are still bacteria,fungi and some times viruses in virtually every surface anon.
Its precisely because its for personal use that only boiling water does the work,if you are sharing or using in your ass like you said you would have to autoclave that shit.

>>14750225
>has no immune system
do you autoclave your toothbrush, too, bubbleboy?

>>14750255
>comparing brushing teeth to injecting needles to your body.
What a absolute brainlet,keep using your dermaroller without cleaning then,there is absolutely nothing of value on your head anyway.

>>14750274
>>14750255
And by the way you are supposed to clean your toothbrush before using it you filthy animal,you must be a britbong.

>>14750274
brushing your teeth introduces micro-tears to your gums which is why you shouldn't have oral sex within 3 hours after brushing

and yet nobody has died from not sterilizing their toothbrush

>>14750288
Wow anon i sorta hoped that you were trolling but you are that retarded.
I'll bite once more,the tears on your gums by brushing cannot be compared to the needling of your scalp,the brush will at most bruise the granular layer of your skin and the needling can go as far as the dermis reaching the veins and your circulation.
Nobody dies from gum bruising but they do get nasty infections from it,if gums or teeth were vital organs there would be deaths from it for sure.
There is whole movement of dermatologist who condemn dermarolling at home precisely because of retards like yourself that dont know the first thing when it comes to sterilization.

>>14750333
brushing exposes the circulatory system in much the same way

STUDIES ON THE MICRO-BIOLOGICAL CONTAMINATION OF TOOTHBRUSHES
AND IMPORTANCE OF DECONTAMINATION USING DISINFECTANTS

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9700/e197a3e962d7573d82195641af884f811d2f.pdf

Tell me a good routine with minoxidil + dermaroller, im new on this

>>14750365
You absolute negative IQ nigger ape monkey brainlet,for the third time THERE IS NO COMPARISON to bruising your gums from plastic bristles to hundreds of needles directly on your scalp,not only i am aware that infections from brushing happen I STATED SO,there is just no comparison in severity thats why you fucking sterelize one and not the other,my very first post said that you even if there is no comparison you should still clean your toothbrush.
This is your last (you) enjoy it nigger.

>>14750180
>read that you need specialised alcohol, and just boiling water is fine.

Specialized alcohol? Just buy a bottle of Isopropyl Alcohol at a pharmacy for like 5 bucks, it'll last you years. Let the needles sit in the alcohol for a few minutes and youre good. You should always sterilize the needles and surface area of your skin before use.

>>14742770
dermarolling compensates for the collagen production that minoxidil inhibits which is good for both your skin and hair

>>14742708
My dad has done minox+dermarolling+red light and now he has a full dense head of hair at 50+
before it was much thinner

>>14743630
>Do you have to eat every day to stay alive?
No, you can drink your nutrients.

>Do you have to keep feeding your car gas to drive?
No, you can drive electric.

>Do I have to exercise consistently forever to stay fit?
No, just during your lifetime.

Hm.

>>14750530
>THERE IS NO COMPARISON
that's funny because i just made one
yelling doesn't mean you're right

>>14744361
Coping baldy

>>14751074
red light? explain

>>14750180
You don't want to take Minox in tablet form. The entire point of the topical is to avoid it going systemic.

>>14746295

Imagine living like this just to get a few more strains of hair

>>14751405
Why not? I'm not trying to challenge you, if it sounds that way, just want to know if it's viable or not. My dermatologist told me that it's not approved here yet but it is elsewhere in the world.

>>14751703
Cope.

>>14751405
it goes into your system regardless.

>>14742708

Fuck minoxidil. You need to do what this guy did when he started balding. He went the full HRT mtf route with spironolactone and estradiol and didn't even care that he grew a small pair of boobs.

>>14742708
just use RU58841 it works just as well and doesn't kill your dht levels like fin or kill your collagen like minox

>>14753900
He cut off his balls. Why life?

>>14753900
No?

Anybody here do the transplant? I THINK I may be losing a tiny bit on the very front of my hair but it's difficult to tell. I'm 23.

>>14754106

Well, fine then. Enjoy losing your insanity as you get up every morning, looking in the mirror and watch your hairline slowly ascend the Norwood Scale.

That's not going to be me, man.

I, TOO, am about to take the MTF HRT. I just ordered Anti-Androgens and Estrogen. I'm even going to monitor my hormones and liver function through private blood testing. I don't even care if I grow boobs and my penis shrinks. I'll go full tranner if I have to, just as long as my hairline stays put.

I've been on Minox + Fin and dermarolling for a year now, and while I've had some nice gains, it's time for something stronger. No more Mickey Mouse bullshit. Time for real gains!

>>14754147
Wow. And I was thinking that I'm insecure for my shit hairline at 22 but you faggot even beat the hair system on the pathetic cringe barometer.

Thanks based mentally ill pre-tranny. Guess bitchtist on men are effay :)

>>14754147
>>14754160
Also have fun making your psyche go further down the shitter. You might look at it like it's a good idea now like finasteridefags but in the long run you're sacrificing your general health for fibre strings growing out of your head.

Keep us up to date so I can farm (you)s with my screencap :)

>>14754170
>Keep us up to date so I can farm (you)s with my screencap :)

Oh, don't worry, I will!

And you keep us up to date on your journey to becoming Captain Picard!

>>14742708
balding is quite literally one of the first shit tests males have to go through in our society. You either take the buzzpill and start lifting weight or you hop onto estrogen and slowly transcend into a tranny and kill yourself a few years from now.

>>14754180
Not one of you balding people but I'd rather have a hard dick and be bald than some hair. Why not just wear hair-hats if its that bothersome?

>>14754212
>one of the first shit tests males have to go through
>take the buzzpill and start lifting weight

This is defeatish. Taking the buzzpill is admitting defeat. You're not doing anything brave by shaving your hair off, hitting the gym, and/or growing a beard when you start balding. Society expects men to have short hair or no hair since MPB is so common among men.

However, if balding is a test by society for men, taking testosterone blockers and estrogen supplements, RISKING growing breasts, feminine fat redistribution, feminizing your facial features, your fertility, shrinking your penis, your ability to maintain erections, and having to go full trans if your appearance veers to far into the realm of femininity, thus risking being rejected by your family/friends, BASICALLY, putting your entire masculinity on the line to save your hair, that's the true way a "man" would pass the test; NOT tucking tail and running away by shaving your head.

>>14754147
Based tranner. Checkout HRTgen on /LGBT/, you can injections for a lot cheaper than what you are paying for

>>14754245
you're not doing anything brave by neutering yourself either.
you're a castration fetishist.

>>14754180
Captain picard without gyno and a hard dick I guess.

This Is your future, faggot. A male /fit/izen posted it some weeks ago

>>14754147
bruh it's just some fucking hair it ain't a big deal get off this board man

>>14754283
glycine max or finasteride?

>>14754299
Not sure what it was but his estrogen and dht levels had to be fucked

>>14754147
Mental illness

>>14754330
Normie

>>14754245
>that's the true way a "man" would pass the test;
so the true way of being a man is becoming a woman? genius!

>>14754352
Implying that the vast majority of cismen aren't more cowardly than the average trans woman

>>14754349
Freak

>>14754349
That’s not really an insult, dork.

>>14754384
Have sex

>>14754349
You just sound like some faggot insulting others as heterosexual

>>14754282
Why should he? He's in his little bubble and so fucking insecure that he's literally ready to change his whole life forever. Nothing will make him sane snd everything else has been already said. Just leave him alone. This crap will fuel our comedy :)

>>14745224

So expensive it's not even worth it.

>>14750530
>this much seething
fucking embarrassing

>>14753900
Dude that faggot looks way more feminine in the recovery picture.

Enjoy your permanofap, nigger.

>>14754910
>Takes estradiol for years, looks more feminine after
Wow, nothing gets past you!

Started taking finasteride for a month but my semen is watery, balls sometimes ache, and my orgasm are weaker. Does it get better lads?

>>14754971
Why are you even asking this question? Jfc I’d rather be bald without eyebrows than to have ANYTHING go wrong with my junk, let alone willing fuck it up.

>>14755012
I’m waiting to see if it subsides but fuck I
don’t wanna be bald. I’m a manlet and can’t grow a beard, it’s a literal death sentence for me.

>>14755058
Spoken like a truly weak individual.

>>14754388
>takes tranny hormones out of insecurity which will most likely really kill his dick
>"have sex"

God I'd fucking punch you in the face for your stupidity if I could.

>>14754283
This just looks like a Female-to-male tranner trolling for the lulz.