/fa/ - Fashion

look at this tool: tryhard, insecure, dresses for women, manchild, pleb

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>>14018633
hes right 2bh

fatties ITT

no reason to fear tight fits if you are in shape

>>14018658
cope

>>14018658
no reason to fear it yes but you can still see that it looks worse than regular

>>14018595
copecel lmao

both fits are good. when you are skinny you can alternate between the 2 and bam thats it who cares stop being such a fuccboi

>>14019008

I could go with either slimn or regular. Only works if you aren't a fat person, but then fat people look bad with everything.

>>14018595
>wants style that's not a trend anymore to come back
>calls anyone a larper if they try to rock that style
Fuck off faggot

>>14018595
Objectively true

>>14018595
>people think pic related looks good
lol

People actually looks at this picture and want to buy it

>>14020501
My normie friends, albeit few, all agree slim fit is a good look
Why? Beats me
Perhaps showing one's musculature is part of courting

>>14020510
not gonna like id prolly walk around shirtless all day if could.
just imagine the shit you would get up to if you were an average woman?

>>14019384
Mexicore

>>14018595
Imagine being so insecure about your body you hate people who can wear skinny fit clothes

>>14019384
>>14020501
>>14020510
>COPE

Super skinny might not look so great and is uncomfy as fuck but slim fitting is good if you are built.

I'm a 6'2" 235lbs gym guy and a regular size shirt on me that doesn't show my shape just makes me look fat. Slim fit shows off the goods and gets me 10+ women a night come up to me when I am in the clubs.

I guess if you are some 130lbs guy a slim fit is just going to make you look terrible so I can understand why you guys like regular fit to hide your pathetic bodies.

>>14018595
I sometimes like to wear very traditional, 19th century style shirts. Back then, almost all Westerners' shirts were a bit larger fitting than regular 20th and 21st century shirts, but fashion for shirt sizing was more democratic: just about everyone had a shirt roughly in the same proportions, even if sizing variations through tailoring existed for them. I like pic-related for when I am around the countryside, mostly, but it still shows up when I'm in town, occasionally. In the 18th century and before, shirts were even bit looser fitting than the picture.

>>14020820
I'm 130lbs and good (skinny) gym shape.
Even some small size slim fit are huge to me, but with a good body shape it doesn't matter. Very disgusting to have shirts like OP.

>>14018595
Slim fit is already fading away.

>>14020809
>>14020820
>>14020510
why are you using ad hominem?
why are do you think you cant be thin and like regular fit?
seems like you guys are just coping for your reddit-tier taste

>>14020855
I think fashionable shirts and pants are generally loosening up a little bit.

>>14020855
That's for people who doesn't stay in shape, go to gym fucking sedentary

>>14021204
if you actually went to the gym you wouldnt fit in slim fit.
it only takes like 23 inch thighs for slim fit to already be too tight

>>14021221
xl size, slim fit

>>14018595
some things should be slim fit. If you're skinny enough, black denim looks great in a slim fit. Shirts, not so much. Also people seem to mistake slimmer silhouettes and all out skin tight outfits, which look like shit.

>>14020510
>Perhaps showing one's musculature is part of courting

>>14020809
>cringe menswear slim fit
>same thing as based skinny fit
found the fatass who cant fit in either

only women should wear tapers or "slim" fits.

>>14023589
nothing wrong with taper
otherwise your pants look like this

>>14018603

>>14021247
looks like a 40 year old MTF transsexual

>>14023589
Imagine your body shape being so ugly you are too insecure to wear a simple taper

>>14018603
This guy is a fucking joke
I am suprised that more people are not memeing him

>>14023728
Only 14 year olds watch that shit anon. Why would he become a meme?

>>14018633

>>14022212
>haha neckbeard
extraordinary reply
>>14020877
i AM thin. 1,92m 61kg
>your reddit-tier taste
i despise slim fit

i'll dumb it down for you apes:
me no have onions titti and no like slim fitti

Bottom line is - you have to be good looking for your clothes to look good

>>14023999
well too bad for u insecure nigga but u can wear both

>>14020820
> 6’2”
> 235

If you aren’t as built as the rock, then regular slim fit makes you look fat because you are

>>14023598
This would look really good with socks and bulkier shoes

>>14024012
Jesus Christ,the pants make him look like he is 6'6

Bottom slim fit
Top regular fit

Usually what I’m dressed in

>>14024012
>>14024012
If even he looks ridiculous in this fit, imagine any of us.

>>14024554
I don't think he looks ridiculous. It was the style of the time.

there is so much anger in this thread it's ridiculous

slim fit is for slim people, doesn't generally look good on those with bigger builds

>>14024554
But it isn't ridiculous. 60s Connery Bonds were timeless.

>>14024015
>u insecure nigga
i just dislike the look
your constant personal attacks show your own insecurities, though

>>14024602
doesnt look good on slim people either, check mfa

>>14024631
mfa is what normies like tho

>>14024631
NEWSFLASH most people have shit style

>>14018595
I'm going to disagree with you OP.

You always have to take into consideration the function of clothing. Aside from protection, which doesn't count much in fashion, what is clothing for? To signal to others of our species. If we're signalling to men, then we tend to emphasize different things than if we're signalling to women. Furthermore, if we're signalling for sexual purposes, then once again there is a refinement towards specific ideals that as you've rightly pointed out will change with time, culture, and trends.

You have to remember where the slim fit came from, or came out of, or indeed was a reaction to. For now, I'll stick with the West as the starting point, because in truth fashion in communist and former communist areas are simply Western fashion 20 years behind. So, think North America.

The 1980's heralded a return to conservatism along with the greatest period of wealth generation across all classes the West has ever experienced (without the benefit of a small population as we had in the 1950's after the war). Add to this the advances of feminism into the workplace, and you have business suits that not only accentuated the financial power available (better fabrics, a return to formality with the double-breasted suits coming back into fashion) but also the conservative gender roles (shoulder pads to help create the hard taper to the waist in men).

By the middle of the 80's, the women's power suit came out, possibly as an attempt to help women feel on equal footing in the workplace with men. Women had large shoulder pads prior to this of course (think of Princess Diana's wedding dress), but to put it into suits and blazers for women meant that the men's style had to differentiate itself in silhouette as a response. What we ended up with was a very boxy cut, with lots of fabric.

cont.

>>14026030
cont.

As it so often happens with styles, trends tend to exaggerate bits here and bits there, exploring to find something that is unique and original. The 90's introduced hardcore pastel colours into the mix, and you saw an excess of size and fabric in everything from casualwear to formal. This was in popular culture too (Miami Vice, Baywatch, etc), so as with much of this stuff, it's not entirely clear what influenced what. All we know is that it was not unusual to wear sweatshirts that were oversized, while wearing short shorts and sneakers. Silhouette was in many cases abandoned around 1994 briefly, because really, clothing was about the fabric and colour, not about the fit. Texture meant a great deal (look at the pop scene at this time and what they wore...think Kurt Cobain and all the layers of shirts, or The Cult and their jean jackets which never fit, or Guns and Roses and all the paraphernalia); the importance was not in how it fit, but what it felt like or how it looked in different lighting.

By the end of the 90's, there was a reaction to all this excess; the minimalism/futuristic movement. Again, I'm not sure what started it and if it was a true reaction. I'd guess that the approach of 'the year 2000' really impacted people psychologically far more than they'd like to admit, and certainly designers were thinking along those lines of trying to do stuff that was futuristic. But in their minds at the time, futuristic was simply what was simpler than 'today', and that meant instead of excess of fabric, pastel colours, random shapes and textures, and mixing everything together, things had to be instead unified, more form fitting, and a little toned down. What always comes to mind is the shift we see in movies like Fight Club and Minority Report, but also in how characters in Friends started to dress near the end of the century. cont.

>>14026041
cont.

To be clear, movies and tv shows are not definitive...all I'm saying is that they are either reactions to what is happening or they are drivers. In either case they give you an indication.

The most important aspect that I think contributed to the 'form fitting' stuff we see today is the trend that started by sports players (usually basketball stars) of arriving at the arena in suits. It never used to be televised, but for some reason it became 'a thing', and players started to dress up a little more flamboyantly. It started with suits, and eventually suits had to be designed to work with athletic bodies. The natural inclination if you're a designer is to take advantage of the lack of a pot belly, the hard angles that usually come from muscles and no fat, etc. You get a slim fit, not because it's slim, but because the person inside it is slim compared with the normal fat population.

At around this time in film and tv, you saw an increase in the importance of being fit as a male star. The only male stars that were fit back in the 80s and 90s were the action heroes (Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Van Damme, etc.), but other males were not necessarily supposed to be fit at all...it didn't matter. In the 2000s though, it came to be a thing that it was important for actors to be fit enough to do their own stunts, or at look like they could fight. The Matrix proved that this could be done with people we wouldn't necessarily believe, and from then on it was expected in many areas. So the spillage went into actors, who were in better shape and needed suits that showed off how much hard work they did on their bodies. It's not that Brad Pitt wasn't in shape in 1995...of course he was. But he didn't need to show it off back then because no one would have cared if he was shaped like David Schwimmer. But after Troy? I think so.

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>>14026049
cont.

When you had action heroes, they were counterparted by the 'everyman hero' (think Bill Murray as a Ghostbuster). In the 90's, the hero changed again, and by the 2000s the hero was once again something new.

2 other factors I believe come into play here. There has been a huge 'eating clean' push that we saw in the late 90's, first with the simple vegetarian thing, and then with other stuff like eating organic that followed. This was then followed or combined with Yoga and shit like that, and you found that ordinary people 'took pride' in stating to the whole of society that they were different due to what they ate or how they spent their free time. It's one thing to see people at the beach in sportswear...it's another to see Lululemon being worn to the grocery store or in high schools. Social media affected this issue greatly, I think it was possibly the largest factor behind the shift. To be fit online is to have people commending you for it or being jealous of you, so the incentive is there, as well as the depression that can cause people to get fatter.

The second factor that is important is the dominance of the porn industry as disseminated by the internet. This is related to why normal movies and tv shows have been pushing the boundaries in terms of sex/nudity, but it's more important to consider that we are used to seeing physical specimens of humans in their peak condition (usually enhanced with drugs) in daily life. It's no longer every 2 years during the Olympics...it's every time you open a window and you get an unwanted pornography ad.

This creates an interesting thing. Obesity and being out of shape is now considered something that lowers the value of a human being in our society today. If you're a man and you're out of shape, then you're lazy, slow, weak, etc. If you're a woman and you're out of shape, you're undatable. cont.

>>14026055
cont.

This means that if you are one of the few who work on your physique, eat well, sleep well, etc., then you're incentivized BY society to show it off. Form fitting clothing does precisely this: it shows how desirable you are to everyone else. If you're a man and you're in shape, then you are showing everyone that you are responsible, that you take care of your body, that you understand proper time management, that you eat well, that you're financially successful (because if you weren't you wouldn't have the time and money to take care of your body), that you're strong, and all the rest. If you're in shape and you're a woman, you show everyone that you're better than other women and that you can have your pick of any man.

To get back to the initial issue in OPs post. Effortless and patrician, mature. Effortless fashion today is not in the trend; the trend is to SHOW the world how much effort you put into yourself by wearing clothes that accentuates this. There is nothing in our current society that incentivizes people to do the opposite (i.e. hide their body) unless there is a flaw. If you're fat, you don't tuck in your shirt, so that hopefully no one notices you have a gut. If you're going bald, you shave off everything and grow a beard so that it looks like it's planned. If you're a woman, you hide fat with tattoos and piercings and hair colour to show that you don't care about the world (but in the process show that you care about the world).

Dressing effortlessly is not in style Anon. It may come back in time, perhaps when people learn to care about talent, creativity, intellectual ability, compassion, and all the rest. But that can't happen in our current year. The internet provides continuous bombardment to anyone with access, and as it starts from very young ages now, I think this will be a problem for at least 2 generations.

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>>14026064
cont.

As a final thought, remember that clothing for a long time was used to 'correct' proportions in our bodies that either didn't look good or were not ideal to classical proportions. Not everyone is built like Michelangelo's David; some have longer legs, some have child-bearing hips, some have shoulders that are too large or too narrow, etc. The classic Men's suit from the 1990's corrected all this by adding stuff.

Today however, it's kinda cut-throat. If you don't have great proportions, it's now expected that you train and lift in order to correct those issues yourself. The clothes are not supposed to be the correcting factor...that's 'cheating'. No, if your shoulders are too narrow, then you do extra pushups and bench presses and shit. If you're too fat, then for God's sake start running. If you have no ass, do the old heave-ho from the floor with weights. Whatever. But the correction is supposed to be from the body outward, not outside to the body. If you're a man (I'm assuming you are), then the only way you can convince a woman that you are authentically worth taking a chance on genetically (i.e. to have sexual intercourse) is to show how superior you are physically. That's what opens the door (though your wallet + speaking skills can seal the deal or break it).

No Anon...the slim fit isn't going anywhere. It's all men have to prove they're superior to other men, and it's the only thing that women notice that isn't connected directly to the money being spent on them. And, because it's tied to the physique of the man, you can't fake it.

>>14024057
Based Kingdom Hearts cosplayer

>>14018658
Honestly it still looks stupid, especially pants.