/fa/ - Fashion

>>13985354
Since 1735, there has never been a quartz Blancpain watch. And there will never be.

I FUCKING LOVE WATCHES

I'm looking for a dressy watch with complications. Should I just buy a JLC Master Calendar, or save up for a couple more years for a PP annual calendar or something like that? I like the 5205G but I wish it didn't have those holes in the lugs.

>>13985365
Save up. You’ll always want the Patek after getting the JLC. You can always try them out at an AD and see which you like best though. I don’t mind the lugholes.

>>13985365
I am of the opinion that you should always ave up and go for the grail. No point in stopping halfway and spending money on something you aren't completely satisfied about. Have you already lined up a seller for the PP, might wanna start looking early.

>>13985365
Get a Grand Seiko instead. Fuck the Swiss.

my Tudor sub

>>13985361
When people say Blancpain it sounds like “bam bam”. Makes sense when it’s mainly fucking cavemen who wear them.

>>13985367

Don't they make the lugs a bit weak, structurally speaking? I mean, white gold is still pretty soft, and if I somehow bumped into a wall the wrong way with it I feel like I'd break it off the case.

I tried both on, and I definitely feel like I prefer the Patek, but still, I feel like I'd be less paranoid ( and maybe less judged on the basis of ) wearing the JLC.

>>13985374

They don't make moonphases, annual calendars, and the like, don't they?

>>13985384
they're pronouncing it wrong

>>13985392
where did you try them on? Don't you need to be a big spender to get an annual calendar from PP?

ICYMI: White Paper on Fine Watchmaking by the Foundation of Haute Horlogerie

https://www.hautehorlogerie.org/en/the-foundation/cultural-council/white-paper-on-fine-watchmaking/

Not only is the FHH a foundation, they’re the very organisers of SIHH.

>>13985374
not him, but I've finally got a chance to try the snowflake and its extremely underwhelming in real life
the case design and the lugs just didnt fit well with my wrist

>>13985392
So far, there has never been a reported case on the internet about a snapped Patel lug. I wouldn’t worry about it, it may get bent from an extremely hard bump but it won’t snap off. If it does, that’s why there’s a warranty. Speaking about warranty, even if Grand Seiko had something worth wearing, their after-sales is utter shite. Ignore >>13985374, he’s one of the seething Nippon lovers.

>>13985402
I keep reading this on WUS and on Reddit, one guy on the latter site was quite underwhelmed by it that he returned his. I mean, it has Seiko on the dial ffs.

>>13985384
SEETHING QUARTZ SÖYBOY

>>13985400

In Vienna.

> Don't you need to be a big spender to get an annual calendar from PP?

They're expensive, yes, but you don't need to write a letter to Thierry Stern like you'd need for a grand complication, as far as I know. There's a waiting list, but nothing so ridiculous as the one for the 5711.

Why do you hate the Jubilee bracelet?

>>13985415
Thanks for the reply, are you already on the list?

>>13985416
The Jubileee, the Sub, and the DJ are unfortunately victims of their own design being counterfeited in mass.

>>13985415
What do you have in the collection currently?

>>13985418

Not yet.

>>13985423

A Tudor Black Bay GMT and a 116610LN Sub. The Sub is what I use as a "dress watch" substitute right now, but I'm looking for something more sophisticated and complicated. It's my daily driver, otherwise. The Black Bay is what I use for those times when wearing a Rolex would be in bad taste/too showy, and it also helps me because I travel a lot and work with international colleagues quite often. I also have a G-shock and an SKX007 as beaters.

I don't want to build a "collection", per se, it's just that the dressy complicated watch ( preferably in precious metal because that's how that kind of watch should be done, imho) is the one type I'm missing. You could argue that dress watches and complicated watches are two different things, but I'm looking to hit two birds with one stone here.

If I can get by like I do now I might get a 118238 Day-Date in yellow gold by the time I'm 50, as a daily driver. Some would say it's a bit gaudy, but I'd say it's probably the most beautiful watch ever designed.

can someone recommend me a watch box that
>holds 4 watches in 1 single row
>dimensions are as compact as possible for that 4x1 casing.

also post the watch you wear the most

>>13985513
Get some cheap cigar box on eBay and diy it up

>>13985513
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1-4-5-8-Grids-Leather-Watch-Case-Display-Storage-Gift-Jewelry-Organizer-Box-New/282840508611
Cheap as fuck. Just select the 4 grid option.

Is this peak dress watch aesthetics?

>>13985629
No
Minimalism is the coward's aesthetic

>>13985646
An immature opinion but you're entitled to it

>>13985629
It is, but a dress watch like that is hard to pull off with any other thing than a suit.

>>13985646
Only if it's done with on the cheap, like DW.

Lads, I’m writing this from the belly of the beast.

I work for Shinola. Please don’t ever buy a Shinola. Do everything you can to discredit Shinola. Always call out a Shinola cuck online (who will ALWAYS include his shoes in his wrist shot). Shinola will be dead in 10 years. Enjoy the slow burn.

FUCK SHINOLA

Grand Seiko? Yikes!

>>13984885
>Is there a way to tell if a mechanical movement is objectively better than another other than finishing and claimed accuracy? And if so, then what is the method? And what is the best movement?

>>13985674
Any particular reasons?

Let me get this straight... Bruce Williams put his rolex that he had not even paid for yet ontop of his car, forgot it was there and then drove the car till the watch fell in the ground in high speed?

And you take any kind of advice from this dumbass?

>>13985700

Shock and magnetic resistance, ease of serviceability, materials used, etc

Where's a niBBa supposed to get a 6538 Sub knockoff for that vintage Bond aesthetic? Everyone only seems to make homages of modern Submariner models.
I've considered getting a Black Bay homage and swapping the hands, but there has to be some option that doesn't involve modding.


>inb4 San Martin - I've only seen overpriced 6200 and 6204 clones from them

>>13985705

He was dealing with a woman and a baby while getting in the car. He's still an idiot, but it's understandable.

>>13985730
>but it's understandable
I disagree

What is up with "Grand" Seiko end link fitment?

>>13985696
Yeah their hands are sometimes fucked up, same with the indices. But that one in the picture is quite substantial. Just wow.

Grand Shitter Sale. 40% off! Haute Horlogerie am I right?

>>13985751

I wonder if there was ever a time when Rolex went on sale.

>>13985751
https://timelessluxwatches.com/product-category/grand-seiko/classic-grand-seikos/

>>13985751
Where?

>>13985751
It's on sale because it's the old pieces from before they seperated the two companies.

>>13985702
Clunky and overbuilt aesthetic

Cringe and borderline racist marketing

I can personally confirm that watch/leather factory workers are treated like shit and paid poorly, while the hu-white males that dominate the rest of the business have cushy lives

Yes I believe in American made. That doesn’t mean we have to make everything. A timex weekender knockoff doesn’t need to be $600. Cost on these is around $90-$120

>>13985751
More like Grand Dogshit, fucking embarrassing, GS owners need to fucking kill themselves.

>>13985766
Aka it's a sale because they removed Seiko and just have Grand Seiko on their dials now. Proving once again that their brand image is utter shite that it can take 40% off of the watch's value.

>>13985744
Considering it's been proven there's a butthurt retard photoshopping flaws onto GS pics I'd need to see the original image before I believed it

>>13985779
To be fair, Rolex can do that too, they just don't want to. A rolex watch is worth much less than the asking price if you ask me.

>>13985771
>borderline racist marketing
I thought you said they were bad

>>13985783
So it's unthinkable that a gs has flaws? But that said, I can tell you that image is not photoshopped. In fact after looking at the images in the thread that went down that day, only one of the images were shopped.

>>13985783
https://forums.watchuseek.com/f642/flaw-snowflake-minute-hand-pics-4854031.html

Also their new shitter sucks too. 1 and 2 visible without a loop. Date wheel is misaligned.

>>13985784
>taking value for money into account
>for an entirely vain and obsolete purchase such as a luxury wristwatch
>ignores the fact that rowlecks hold their value

>>13985792
>ignores the fact that rowlecks hold their value
Because their marketing works.

GS have poor finishing, even compared to watches in the $1000-$2500 price range.

DAE think that the vintage market is ridiculous? Damaged dials sold as "stardust" and "tropical" dials, "patina" out the ass on everything, ugly used up lume sold as "creamy lume", like, fuck, what has the world come to?

>>13985789
Just saying that it would be foolish to accept any pic with easily shooped flaws at face value when it's known that someone IS photoshopping these.

This is where GSs belong, not on your wrist.

>>13985804
Yes maybe. I for one don't need to rely on pictures itt, I see plenty of watches everyday, and I see grand seikos every week. I see their flaws.

9, 1, and 2 indices are utterly attrocious. You don't even need a loop to see it.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BnR4dQ4nXF8/

Should I buy a vintage Omega from the 60s or new junghans? If Omega, then what should i look for?

>>13985820
Loupe*.

Also, discount a Rolex at 40% off and it will be flying off the shelf. A Grand Seiko is not even selling at 40 off.

>>13985820
Yes anon. These are the kind of flaws I see, btw. As I was talking about here: >>13985819

>>13985785
Lmao fair - I would let it pass if we were better at it. If I liked the design, things would be different but the root of my issue is the look. If someone likes theirs, power to them.

>>13985820
Terrible, I can't believe they let them out the door looking like that.

>>13985820
I wish they wouldn't put knife hands on everything. The dial texture looks good though.

>>13985830
That is because Rolex has their reputation, more than anything else. Grand Seiko is not unpopular because of their flaws, they are unpopular becasue they're Seiko and thus people don't consider it prestigeous to buy. Except for those who have a special interest of course.

>>13985820
Very similar to this image

>>13985828

New Junghans, I'd say. Too many frankenomegas from India to ever be sure.

>>13985820
And this

>>13985696
>>13985791
True history, no shops
Pic related, a prime example of a seicuck to the max.

>>13985374
seikoshill btfo

>>13985833
I wish they never stole the dauphine hands aesthetic from Patek.
>>13985834
That is entirely the point. They'll never be treated like a high-end brand as long as they have Seiko. Look at this perimeter of fine watchmaking and ask yourself if any of those brands have a low-end version of their brand. >>13985401

>>13985834
Reputation isn't the same thing as market perception through spending untold millions on ads and PR. Reputation is free.

And this is at an event. Fucking embarassing from the nippons.>>13985845
>Reputation isn't the same thing as market perception through
wat?

>>13985848
>>13985820
>>13985791

Am I alone thinking that printing the brand name ALL OVER the fucking dial is cringy as hell?

>>13985848
What happened here?
Obviously this isn't normal tho. Why point out something that would not even reach the boutiques.

>>13985842
What's the point of gs trolling? How many regulars posts their own gs's? Most people here who like seiko like the affordable ones..

>>13985861
It strikes me less as trolling and more as insecurity and damage control.

>>13985848
Date wheel design isn't their strong suit. There's been multiple examples already of their misaligned dates, enough to say that it's not just camera angle.
https://forums.watchuseek.com/f642/cross-posting-f2-disappointment-w-gs-%40-watchtime-nyc-event-2513962.html


>>13985852
It's like Louis Vuitton, and yes it is tacky as ever.

>>13985855
That watch is at an event and GS was showcasing their shitter. Yes, that made it out. I haven't read any European brand messing up that big.
>>13985861
This is just rebuttal for the micro-obsessed Seiko shill who keeps posting cherry picked comparisons acting like Seiko is perfect.

>>13985869
I mean Gs will always be cool until other brands can replicate spring drive right? I know those images you're talking about and in them usually als looks better than gs imo. It's really a matter of opinion

>>13985869
That's not really excusable but to be fair even patek have trouble aligning shit in the windows

>>13985878

No real luxury brand wants to replicate some japanese quartz movement, kiddo.

>>13985883
See this is worth trolling about. IMAGINE paying the patek premium, going through their vetting process and not getting absolute perfection

>>13985861
No trolling. I started reading the answers and the owner of EIGHT fucking GS said he found TOTALLY OK to find this kind of ugly defects under magnification. And that GS wont replace the hand.

Either Seiko real standards are lower than we think and seikoshills keep cherry picking images in their favor, or a major GS collector has the worst luck in the universe and is also blind.

>>13985889
>going through their vetting process
What do you mean by this?

>>13985883
But.. but Patek!!! Lmao.
>>13985878
I have no care at all for the Spring Drive and no mechanical watch of mine will ever have a fucking battery. And no, the Europeans won’t ever be copying the Spring Drive.

>>13985896
Spring drive doesn't have a battery.

>>13985894
No niggers.

Lol at anyone who thinks they can continue selling picrel and ever be considered HH

>>13985900

>>13985900
>Spring drive doesn't have a battery.
Uhh, yes it does?

>>13985908
>>13985909
They don't. It generates electricity on the fly.

>>13985903
Rubbish, find me a millionaire nigger that DOESN'T own a patek

>>13985916
Anon...

>>13985917
They have to pay large premiums to get them 2nd hand

>>13985918
spring drive watches do not have a battery. It operates basically the same way as a mechanical but with an electromagnet regulating the escapement instead of forks etc.

>>13985903
Was this a reply to my question? I'm confused.

>>13985932
What he meant to say was you have to fill out some form of paperwork and be approved to buy a patek watch, or at least your first one

Or in other words: "no niggers"

>>13985939
Isn't the nautilus fairly popular with rap niggers?
>https://pitchfork.com/levels/objectified-raps-obsession-with-patek-philippe/

>>13985946
>>13985924

>She isn’t alone. As one Genius sleuth pointed out, nearly one in every eight rap songs that charted on the Billboard Hot 100 in 2017 referenced the watch

Ha ha aha oh wow.

Seiko and Grand Seiko is indistinguishable.
>>13985946
Ever heard of second hand dealers? You can't even walk inside a Patek AD and buy a Nautilus even if you have cash with you.

>>13985946
Sort of like how when you're a little kid and your friend picks up a toy you don't like but because he's using it you want to use it now too

>“Once you have a Patek Philippe, You already in the game,” says G4 Boyz’ Buggy, who, along with his brother Ice Baby, got his first Patek in 2015. There’s a sense that owning a Patek represents entrance into a new class of rap sophisticate. “We’re buying the same watches as Future and Meek Mill and guys who are multi-platinum rappers,” adds Buggy. “Once we had it, it was a big thing for our fans and the hood.“
pfffthaahah

>>13985730
>it's understandable

No.

>>13985956
Ignorance is bliss. Stay golden neet anon

So I already have a DW5600E, but what is the best ROUND G-Shock, in terms of aesthetics, functionality, and value? Is it the G-9000 Mudman?

I can't really afford to buy a Frogman though, a watch that's only wearable with a very limited range of attire.

I’ve had severe food poisoning and puked on my watch (Junghans Max Bill). Not joking.

Im clueless what to do. Should probably show it to a specialist, but telling him what actually happened is beyond me

YOU JUST GOT FRAT TOPPED

>>13985965
Remove the bracelet and rinse them separately? Was the crown open? It’s water resistant. Or by puke you meant shat on it?

cop?

I know swatch isn't very good, but I like the look

>>13985779
>>13985773
>>13985751
>>13985791
>>13985799
>>13985815
>>13985820
>>13985836
>>13985841
>>13985842
>>13985844
>>13985848

>being this fucking mad the Swiss couldn't keep up with the Ching Chong game

wew.. How many threads has this been going now? Did you hold stocks in Swiss manufacture during the Quartz revolution or something?

>>13985955

>Yanks buying shit because of logos, memes and 'prestige'

What else is new.

>>13985972
That's an interesting bracelet but I wouldn't. Suit yourself.

>>13985972
Wouldn’t wear a swatch as an adult tbqh.

>>13985965

I wonder how corrosive vomitus is?

>>13985977
>being this fucking mad the Swiss couldn't keep up with the Ching Chong game

Are you baiting or something
Half of the watches discussed here are grom Switzerland, a country that amounts to 0.1% of the worlds population.

>>13985961

Nearly bankrupting your dumb ass over (arguably) Rolex's shittiest watch, SECOND HAD, when your wife and baby are right there with you to REMIND YOU THAT YOU NEED THOSE DOLLARS FOR MORE IMPORTANT THINGS, is pretty incomprehensible. Doubly so for people who hold down jobs and have families..

>>13985939
I'm curious what does this paperwork involve, no memes please.

>>13985984

3/4th of the watches discussed here are from Japan, never even mind the watches that are sold and worn most globally on a daily basis..

Shit, even the Swissposting autists post more GS watches than Swiss pieces.

>>13985985
Well, you have to get the paperwork yourself. Google search for Thiery Stern’s email. Ask for the paperwork, tell him Pierre Biver referred you.

>>13985992
But you can get a PP the same day you walk into the boutique and pay for it, so the """"vetting""" can't be that substantial.

>>13986001
>But you can get a PP the same day you walk into the boutique and pay for it

>>13986001
It's pretty obvious the vetting is pointless if PP is the #1 nigger watch, dethroning rolex.

Jesus christ, how sad is this anti seiko faggot.

>>13986008
You can tho. Not sure what you expect them to do. "Hehe, is this guy who has a bunch of money to spend worthy of our watches?? heheheheheehe I think not.. let's tell him we won't sell him a patek"
That doesn't happen.

>>13986001
>But you can get a PP the same day you walk into the boutique and pay for it, so the """"vetting""" can't be that substantial.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAAHAHAA

Lel. What else are they fucking up and putting in their boutiques if they let this one out of the factory like this and showcased it?

>>13986028
Did you just blow in from stupid town?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8GHiY6jmR8
Fuck, now I want an 80's Submariner.

>>13986028
AD’s will buzz you in if they want, the doors are usually locked. Go read up on the stories about being snobbed by the security.

>>13985841
What is even circled here?

>>13986035

>>13986028
I sincerely hope you are baiting.
You can go to the PP boutique in Geneve, step out of your new Bugatti Chiron and walk inside. If you are not someone they already know, and you ask for a "hot" watch or a Grand Complication, the cute little saleswoman will first ask you if you already own a Patek Philippe (which you obviously don't), and if you do she'll ask you how you got it (no second hand watch bullshit from the grey market), and after you look at her with your dumbfounded face she'll bring you a platter with Calatravas and ask you to choose from those.

>>13986042
Top tier proportions. Everything is just so balanced out.

>>13986036

>>13986028
>>13986042
Oh and continuing from my previous post, if you go to an AD and you manage (for some miracle) to get said "hot" piece or Grand Complication, when (not if, when) Patek Philippe finds out, that dealer will lose their Patek Philppe authorization to sell their watches.
Same thing goes for buying them used. If someone who is on a list for a Grand Complication gets their watch and then sells that watch, they will be banned from ever purchasing another Patek Philippe.

>>13986056
Isn't this the same marketing strategy used by eric cartman in south park for his theme park?

GRAND SEIKO? Lol. ALS/88

>>13986065
If that were true how do patek have any dealers or customers left if their watches are the hottest item in the hip-hop/rapper scene?

>>13986036
They buzz you in immediately you go to the door, always. I've never experienced otherwise.

>>13986045
I've never actually bought a watch myself, so I haven't asked to buy one either, but I've been in the patek AD, I have been asked if I need help and all that by the salesmen, I've tried on the pateks and so on. My father owns a patek golden ellipse that he bought from that same AD. Not sure what he went through, but I never remember him saying anything about being on a waitinglist or anything, I believe he got it the same day if I'm not mistaken.

>>13986084
>I've never actually bought a watch myself
A PP watch, I mean.

>>13986084
Read the first line >>13985903

What patek need to invent is the grand racial complication. Once a day it checks the pigment on your wrist via a mechanically driven optical sensor. If white skin is detected it continues to run within cosc limits. If it detects dark skin the whole dial just displays 'give it back tyrone'

>>13986083
They might have bought it coupled with a some lesser selling models to "sweeten the deal". Same goes for Rolex, for example if you go to the Rolex AD and ask for a Daytona, you'll get laughed out of the store, but if you go in and ask for a Daytona, 3 Cellinis and a Datejust, you might be able to work something out.
>>13986084
Golden Ellipses aren't "hot pieces" so they are easier to obtain, you can walk inside a boutique and walk out with a Calatrava any day you want.

I don't get it. If Rolex, PP, and Grand Seiko aren't good enough, then what is? And how come the only watches that get posted here that are actually owned by the posters are usually cheaper than all of the above?

>>13986103
Because this board is full of bitter cunts larping as the middle class

>>13986101
So you are only talking about the finest pieces then? If so then I'm gonna admit I have no clue at all if you are wrong or not.

However, do you have any personal experience that would suggest that you can't buy a "hot piece" without owning a pp from before? And why do they do this anyway? That's the idea behind it? Are you in any way capable of answering this or are you merely speculating?

>>13986103
Nobody will say that Lange isn't good enough. So basically a Lange is good enough for the autists in here.

>>13986115
PP does restrict people from buying certain pieces, they do this as an extremely see through marketing tactic to create an air of exclusivity around the brand. Personally I think that forcing your customers to write you a letter and essential grovel for the privellege of owning their product is insulting and smug.

>>13986129
*Essentially

>>13986129
But if you go there and you insist that what you want is a worldtimer, and you are a respectable member of society and you got money and all that, is it really so that they will refuse you to buy one? I mean, if you sign papers or whatever, write a letter or whatever, is it really not enough for them unless you already own a lesser PP watch from before?

>>13986115
Yes, I am talking about the finest pieces. You can walk into the PP boutique today and leave with 50 watches, just know that none of them will be Nautiluses or Grand Complications. LMAO you think I'm bullshitting? Ask about how Patek does their business to some Rolex ADs or some watch dealer you know if you don't believe me.
The thing is that those watches are in high demand, so there's a reversal of roles: it's not "what can the shop give me in exchange for my money", it becomes "what can I bring to the shop in exchange for one of their watches.
The "hot pieces" in many cases don't even hit the shelves of the stores, the boutique calls VIPs and faithful clients and asks them if they want the watch. Even if you have been on a waiting list for years, if a VIP wants that watch he is getting it before you.
Look around Rolex stores and tell me how many Daytonas you see in the shelves (none).
This goes for any luxury brand, you can't just walk inside the Ferrari dealership and ask for an 812 superfast.
They do it to remain "exclusive".

>>13986129
Marketing or not it’s much better than have your Grand watches selling for 40% off on some random dealer site. Lmao. >>13985751
>>13985758

>>13986141
>Nautiluses
Hey now, I have a friend who has one of these, and he never owned a PP before. Are you just making this up or what?

>>13986143
>Are you just making this up or what?
Well duh

>>13986141
>we have a robust vetting process so our watches aren't owned by pieces of sub-human trash
>sub-human trash get their hands on them anyway

>>13986068
Here's a pitty (you). I liked that episode

>>13986143
Obviously he got it second hand? Are you not reading any of this?

Bought a Cocktail Time a few weeks back that I want to wear on a milanese strap. Does anyone know a good 'brand' of mesh straps? Only sites I stumble upon are generic Chinese import straps/drop shipment sites.

>>13986140
You'll get laughed out of the store and get kicked out by security if you try that shit. You have to go through their process if you want their products.
>>13986143
Ask your friend how he got the piece. Again, if you don't believe me ask any watch dealer or someone who knows watches. Even better, go to a PP boutique and ask for one of those watches, make sure you record it and post the results here.
>>13986145
Jesus Christ you faggots are insufferable, ask any watch dealer if you don't believe me. Do what I said to the guy above me.
>>13986151
Niggers pay a big premium to get those watches, Or they probably stole them, you know, with them being niggers and stuff.

JUST COMPARE OFFICIAL PP PRICES WITH PRICES ONLINE AAND ASK YOURSELVES A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS

Just like you can’t walk into Hermes and expect to be able to purchase a Birkin without any former transactions. There’s a list.

>>13986155
No he didn't actually. He got it through the same AD I was talking about earlier. He earlier owned a rolex and a JLC, but no PP. Does PP take into account that you own other watches?

>>13986140
Is this post your way of coping with being poor and unimportant?

>>13986140
Sorry meant to quote
>>13986129

>>13986160
Don’t forget fakes. Niggers love getting fakes and „flooding” them out.

>>13986165
How is me asking these questions "coping for being poor and unimportant"?
And no, I'm not poor just unimportant. And I'm not rich enough to buy a patek with my own money either, but that's beside the point I think. I don't understand what it has to do with any of this.

>>13986162
Thank you.
>>13986164
PP doesn't but the AD will. As I said before, if you are someone the AD knows is a good client (translation: big spender) you will get in front of other people who want that watch. Ask your friend how much money he spent at that AD. ADs want big spenders and most of all returning clients, if you are going to keep giving the store business, he will give you better and more exclusive pieces. That's what building a reputation and a relationship with a dealer means.
>>13986171
What can you do? Niggers gonna nig

>>13986162
the lists don't work. biggy niggy rappy nappy or whatever says to his handlers YO GET ME ONE O DEM PAYYYY TEKS and he gets one.

Got it at Xmas and still within 1 sec of correct time.

Also wrist check

>>13986180
>sk your friend how much money he spent at that AD.
I already know he bought 2 rolexes, one omega, and a JLC there, and lastly the patek. That's kinda being a big spender imo.

>>13986176
Not him, but you have to understand Patek and other high-end brands are highly sought after. And there’s huge lists of people wanting to buy their watches. There’s a lot of stories where a watch lands and the boutique calls their VIPs up before it even gets displayed and 99,1% of the time it never gets displayed because it’s already sold. Again like a Birkin and Hermes, you can’t just walk into the boutique and expect to purchase one right of the bat, sure you have money, but there’s also tons more of people wealthier than you that also want the same bag. These brands want you to build a relationship with them. It’s okay, we were all new once and sometimes information is all over various forums.

>>13986188
Swiss watches are like that. Very nice anon.

>>13986180
>>13986196
How about Rolex?
I have a friend who wants to buy a daytona in steel, and he only owns a nomos right now. What can he expect when he eventually go to the AD and wants a Daytona? Would you be kind enough to elaborate?

>>13986206
all rolex steel stunners are completely sold out (or kept around back for the big spenders) and thats why some models are so expensive on the used market

>>13986210
Sooo, what will he have to do? Care to elaborate?

>>13986206
He would have to go grey market if he wants one instantly which means it’ll be pricier. The Steel Daytonas are probably the second hottest thing Rolex has and he’ll have to warm up with an AD to get on a list.

>>13986206
Read my posts from above, but I will summarise here.
A steel Daytona right now is in high demand, everybody wants one but there are only so many to go around. Your friend has 2 options: option 1 is to go to a Rolex AD or boutique and ask to be put on a list for a steel Daytona, don't even ask if they have one to sell right now because they don't, and if they do have one it's not for him. The watch is in such high demand that they might even tell your friend that they are not keeping a list anymore due to magnitude of people already on it: if he does get his name on the list he should know that he might have to wait months or more realistically years for his watch but he still has to pay the deposit right then when his name is put on the list. Option 2 is paying a premium for the watch and buying it from a grey market/used watches salesman or telling the AD that you really want the Daytona and are willing to buy some Air Kings or Cellinis or other Rolexes that nobody wants that they have a hard time selling.

>>13986219
>he’ll have to warm up with an AD to get on a list.
That would explain why there are like 70-80000 submariners on the second hand market. They're pressured into buying shit they don't really want.

>>13985751
What an uninspiring range

>>13986233
Look at >>13985951. Says a lot why Seiko is having image issues.

>>13986225
>>13986206
I forgot to add that your friend should not just go to one single AD but he should call every AD he knows and every AD in his area and do what I said in my previous post: ask to be put on a list and if they don't have a list tell them he is willing to buy other watches with it.
Your friend should be also be aware that some ADs prefer to keep watches for their local crowd so if he is calling an AD far away from him he can either lie and say he is local (which they might not believe) or expect to be turned down.
if your friend has another friend who is a big spender at some AD he should ask said friend to introduce him and see if they can work something out.
Good luck to you and "your friend".

>>13986239
Are they having image issues? Last Time I checked GS weren't the brand of choice for retarded monkeys who aspire to commit as many drive by shootings and drug deals as possible. Childish marketing tactics are a double edged sword apparently

>>13986229
Oh no! Yeah and Grand Shitters are selling for 40% off, how much are those Subs selling for on the SECOND hand market?

>>13986246
I don't know, how much are they selling for? I can't read cuck-runes.

>>13986253
Not for 40% off brand new I can tell you that much.

>>13986257
BTFO

>>13986257
>>13986262
GRAND SEIKO IS ON SALE!!!! BTFO!!!! HAHAHA HOW WILL THE JAP KEKS RECOVER?!?!?!?! ROLEX NEVER GOES ON SALE AND THAT MEANS THEY'RE BETTER

>>13986269
SEETHING

>ONCE AGAIN, THE STATE OF THIS FUCKING THREAD

>>13986257
>I started looking at different watches and I saw foreigners in different countries wouldn't really wear Rolexes—they’d wear Richard Mille and Patek Philippe,” says Buggy. Ice adds: “Rolex is nice, but I could be going to the club and next thing you see somebody else with the same watch. But the Patek Philippe—it’s rare. It's different.”
A rolex isn't even good enough for a nigger

>"oh did you get a new watch anon, is it a Seiko?"
"U-uhh it's actually a GRAND Seiko actually"
>"oh, what does that mean?"
"W-well it's a Seiko with better finishing"

>>13986269
>brings up second hand Submariners as a sign that it’s shit.
>Submariners are still keeping their value and much more
>Gook watches value ?¿?
>>13986275
Read the white paper. >>13986278
>>13985401

>>13986269
>brings up second hand Submariners as a sign that it’s shit.
>Submariners are still keeping their value and much more
>Gook watches value ?¿?
>>13986275
Read the white paper. >>13985401

>>13986272
I don't actually even have a horse in this race, I'm just angry at all the incomprehensibly fucking retarded arguments that get thrown about. A Rolex submariner has inflated nearly 8x in price since the 70's-80's, and whenever you ask a shill to explain why they go silent or make excuses. Then they act like other companies selling their watches for reasonable prices is a bad thing somehow. They've been brainwashed so hard by marketing memes they get fucked in the ass and ask for more. If you want to assert that Rolex watches are superior to grand Seiko then argue on their merits and not marketing tactics.

>>13986278
IT SAYS GRAND ON THE DIAL!!!

SHIIEETTTTTT

>>13986284
>Read the white paper.
>european watchmakers decided that european watchmakers are best and wrote some shit about it
wew

>>13986103
>>13986107
There is a lawyer here that posts now and then. He has a great selection of high-end watches.

>>13986287
Not him but grand seiko are boring as shit and rolex automatically makes me think you're a nog who owns a pawn shop or loan sharks

>>13986292
Cope

>>13986290
Is the SARB/SARX really that comparable to a grand seiko? I might try to cop one then

>"is that a rolls"
" Oh no no no, it's a GRAND Toyota"

>>13986103
No one here but the lawyer and maybe 1 or 2 people who own a single rolex or grand seiko actually have luxury watches here. There's a reason the poorfag guide exists, it's full of decent looking shit that works perfectly fine but everyone wants to brap hard with a vengeance on each other about brands they'll never own

>>13986301
Imagine you’re stranded on a crowded island, there’s a helicopter flying out. You don’t have anything else but your watch. Would you rather have a European high-end watch or a Grand Seiko?

>>13985738
What is up with "Patek Philippe" end link fitment?

>>13986310
that sort of sounds like I'd die and it wouldn't matter

>>13986314
who owns the island? am i about to get killed by pirates? do they want my watch or my hole

>>13986304
You have such a womens mentality towards brands and you don't realize your line of argument only works on idiots like yourself. Dunning kreuger syndrome I guess.

>>13986291
>mfw a nigger has my dream watch and ruins it with nigger "bling"

>>13986313
End links can rotate along the spring bar, it’s not gapped on it’s side. Plus, 85% of Patek are sold on leather lmao

>>13986319
>you're now thinking about the case being turned to swiss cheese to make room for diamonds upon valueless diamonds

>>13986303
>Your Grand line is indistinguishable from your shitter line

>>13986324
STOP IT STOP SHUT UUUUUUUPPPP

>>13986327
GRAND A. LANGE & SÖHNE
GRAND PATEK PHILIPPE
GRAND VACHERON CONSTANTIN

Sounds fucking compensating when you already have an established brand.

>>13986324
I'd be more upset by the character and IQ of the individuals wearing it than the craftsmanship that went into "icing" it out Daaawwwwwwg

Heritage is just a fancy way of saying "it used to be good".

>>13986321
>it’s not gapped on it’s side
Yes it is. Especially visible in the lower left lug.

>>13986339
And we’re all just part of one race, the human race!

>>13986329 putting the Icy in IC3

>>13986321

Grand Seiko is good as a paper holder for when you’re doing papier-mâché

>>13986291
>>13986347
Wow I knew patek were exclusive but not THIS exclusive. Prestigious too!

>>13986353
That's what happens when you wear bracelets for a few years.

>>13986347
This completely ruined my mood, I find a bit of solace in knowing that I'll never be able to afford one anyways. I also have no idea what IC3 is

>>13986358
Apparently this is what the AD wants to see at the door

>this entire fucking thread

The Seiko hater has serious mental issues.

>>13986361
Brit humour.

IC3 is the police code for black male

>>13986371
Based

>>13986332
Look up where the name Rolex came from.

>>13986347
DAIMUNS N SHIET

>>13986359
https://forums.watchuseek.com/f2/grand-seiko-vs-rolex-japan-2961178-13.html#/topics/2961178?page=5

Do you think a watch owner wouldn’t understand wear?

>>13986339
This.
The heritage-rich Swiss names we know today all gained a reputation entirely on their craftsmanship.
Many of them still have the air of heritage, but are nowhere near the top of the craftsmanship game anymore.

>>13986378
See >>13986351
>>13986313

>you’ll never fuck up this bad
LMAO

>>13986369
Are you implying "he" is only one guy?

>>13986384

>>13986374
It came from nowhere. Wilsdorf wanted a short name that could be pronounced in any language.

>>13986386
Chemical damage that occurred long after the purchase.

>>13986386

>>13986390
Exactly.

>>13986391
And this? >>13986383 how many hands did it go through in the factory, how many eyes have seen it and made it all the way out to an event to be showcased?

>>13986394
What is your point anon?

>>13986396
You are delusional if you think that represents anything at all.
Not even Seiko 5s would pass qc like that.

Never forget

>>13986391
Yeah something just isn't right about that watch, What manufacturing defect could possibly affect all the markers and the logos?

>>13986398
That Rolex doesn't mean anything.
It's entirely the product of marketing tricks.

>>13986402
Downplay it all you want but for something that fucked up to be displayed at a showcasing event...

>>13986383
I wonder if some jap dude had to chop his own finger off for this it's truly bizarre.

>>13986246

>87
>Looking like that

What happened? Left in the sun?

>>13986407
If anything, rolex is just the go-to brand for "i own slum apartments" or "my pawn shop is doing very well this week :)"

If you are going to have to buy dog shit why pay 100x more for Grand Dogshit?

>>13986412
You can see the guilt on this guys face >>13985966

>>13986410
A shop wouldn't sell that, a buyer wouldn't buy that, and after sales would immediately rectify that.

>>13986396
This is obviously some extreme case of unlucky QC. But I think this means that they are a lot less handmade and a lot more machine made than people think.

Obviously someone has to do some of the polishing on the case, but I believe that it will mostly be made by machines just like the normal seiko watches. And that's why that shit right there was even possible. If someone had this watch, or that dial with its indices in their hand, it would NEVER pass QC like that.

>watching the games done quick stream
>donations being read
>15 dollar donation that said "i just wanted to say rolex is better than grand seiko, lets smash cancer!"

which one of you did it

>>13986424
But the Grand Seiko guys displayed it, that’s the point. A lot of eyes and hands missed it. Lmao.

>>13986424
Only for $800

>>13986428
I mean if it was at a boutique it would be semi okay. But as a showcase piece for a watch event???

>>13986431
Point is that there probably aren't many hands and eyes to see it. Read >>13986428

>>13986434
+ 40% off. Don’t forget.

>>13986442
I don't think I'd want to get one without looking directly at the one I'm getting in person desu

>>13986431
>A lot of eyes and hands missed it. Lmao.
How delusional do you have to be to actually believe this.

>>13986435
It doesn't matter if it was in a showcase event. They probably are given a random watch from the factory in order to showcase it, and then they don't see it until it's there.

>>13985380
Wow one one comment on this patrician piece? You morons are beyond hope

>>13986455
probably because it's a grody fake

>>13986424
>after sales would immediately rectify that

Pic rel, this guy https://forums.watchuseek.com/f642/flaw-snowflake-minute-hand-pics-4854031.html

Contacted Seiko December last year and still hasn’t been fixed.

And this one wasn’t fixed at all >>13986386 >>13986392

Seiko after sales sucks. Go read about it.

>>13986450
>>13986448
Cope

>>13986461
You're a fag. He contacted the AD and they said they'd get it taken care of.

>>13986465
Did not

>>13986461
>Contacted Seiko December last year and still hasn’t been fixed.
Wow a whole two weeks ago?
Grand Seiko BTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

>And this one wasn’t fixed at all >>13986386 >>13986392
Seiko UK advised him to sent it to Japan to get it fixed for free, and he hasn't done that.
They then suggested they could fix it in the UK for 800.

>>13986465
Proof? Go quote it because the last post on that thread is a guy hoping it’ll get fixed.

>>13986468
> I reached out to the AD I bought it from.

>AD response: "I'm sorry about the hand on the Snowflake. That will have to go back to Grand Seiko USA to be replaced. And yes, that should definitely be covered under warranty. You can drop it off to us and we will send it in for you. We'll just need a copy of the warranty page so bring just the watch and the booklet with you."

>I will be dropping the watch off to them tomorrow. Will update the thread again when I get the watch back from service.
Lying cock sucker. So desperate

>>13985918
>complains about movement he didn't even bother to do basic research on

>>13985354
new thread
>>13981882
>>13981882
>>13981882

Let’s not forget about this brand new GMT from Seiko. What the fuck are those indices and that misaligned date.
>>13985791
>>13985820

>>13985728
Stop buying fakes nigger.

>>13986479
Too early

>>13986475
>>13986468

Watch as the Seiko fanboy seethe.

>>13986488
Authorised Dealer, NOT GS.

>>13986481
>>13985791
>>13985820

That's a mock-up, not a production piece. It doesn't even have a movement in there, see the hand positions.
It wasn't made to standard, just for promotional shots which they would touch up.

>>13986497
See >>13986465

Try not to cry too hard.

>>13986493
Seethe about what? Someone being so afraid of seiko that they lie on the internet? Why do they engage at all? Methinks they doth protest too much.

>>13986498
Sure it is. Just like this guy’s indices too https://reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/acismi/grand_seiko_sbgv223/

>>13986506
You have to understand, that when you see flaws on GS, it is doesn't count. You see, you are not supposed to point it out and you're not supposed to claim that GS is anything less than perfect. Or else people like this >>13986498 will arrest you for it.

>>13986506
I actually want to see all the indices the watch like that. Do SOMETHING with the indices. the rectangular ingots and knife hands are so overdone.

>>13986506
>>13986512
Am I supposed to see anything?

And this >>13986498
is the simple truth.

>>13985380
That aged lume.

>>13986501
It’s like buying a Rolex at Tiffany’s, having a problem and returning it to Tiffany’s and saying Rolex’s after sales is good. It’s not. It’s Tifanny’s after sales. Grand Seiko is currently struggling with their service centre. If you read up about it you’d know. And my original post said GS after sales not some AD after sales.

>>13986498
>>13986532
So much for perfection eh? Releasing a brand new watch for public view, oh let’s just make a mock up and not go all the way with finishing! Sounds likes excuses from Seiko fags.

>If a GS has flaws, it's not real

Don't dislike Seiko but the autist brought the hate upon himself constantly shitting up thread after thread with macros of Rolex and Omega

>>13986564
This.
Seiko is fine, but when some autist is gonna repeat his claims that they are flawless then it's his own fault when people calls bullshit.

MUH FINISHING BETTER THAN A. LANGE & SÖHNE

>>13986568
I've never seen anyone claim that they're flawless. Only evidence that the finishing is generally superior to say, rolex and most of the evidence seems to bear that out.

I think swiss fanatics know this true and that's why they take so much time out of their day to do damage control. They see seiko as an adversary worthy of attention.

>>13986593
Go look at the threads before all of this and you’ll see those macro autism posts by the Seiko fag shoehorning it into everything

>>13986593
Well, I don't have a dog in this fight. But it's quite clear to me that GS is not superior tho, as they have the same flaws.

>>13986383
The Seiko is slanted in westerner eyes but not in nippon eyes. Don’t be a racist.

>>13986593
It was the seiko shiller who started it all, if you watched a few threads earlier and actually a few months back as well. I wouldnt say the swiss posters are the autistic ones, the seiko shiller has seemingly challenged them into seeing for themselves

>>13986609
>a few months
This shit has been going on for over a year at least.

>>13986601
>>13986609
>"but mom, he started it!"
Childish.

>>13986612
His Seiko autism? Yes. The European rebuttals? No.

New thread:

>>13986614
>>13986614
>>13986614

>>13986615
Sure we are childish when we argue in a forum

>>13985963
The best round will always be Rangeman, but it's ugly as sin.
Have you looked at the Mudmasters? The GWG has everything you need and then some.

>>13986615
Don’t fish what you can’t take.

>>13986651
I'm not on either side of this, I'm just annoyed by all the shitposting.

>>13986651
Dish*

>>13986654
You mean as opposed to all the other shitposting? It's never anything but in these threads. Ever

>>13986551
No need to be upset.

Like I said, that model was probably mostly for internal use, like the catalog pic which Seiko always heavily modifies.

>>13986547
What the fuck are you babbling about?
He reached out to his AD who said it would be fixed under warranty, and that's it.
What's the fucking problem?

>>13986291
Please tell me it's the Rolex logo tattooed on his face

>>13986735
Holy shit I didn't even notice. Niggers truly are subhuman

>>13986735
that's the rolex logo tattooed on that niggers face

>>13986564
>>13986568

Except this is the post that started shit itt:
>>13985696

And then these followed: >>13985738
>>13985751
>>13985791
>>13985820
>>13985836
>>13985841
>>13985848
>>13985869
>>13985951
>>13986031
etc.

The first and only macro about Rolex and Omega came all the way at the end of the fucking thread: >>13986369

You are deranged. Mentally ill.

>>13986742
>>13986735
>>13986746
Nothing wrong with that. According to people here, Rolex is a nice brand with lots of heritage.

>>13986758
>reddit spacing
the argument didn't start in this thread retard, you have to go back
t. Rolex shill from 6 threads ago

>>13986765
At least those macros are objective.
Even the most rabid Euro snob will admit GS has superior finishing to Rolex.
Go look at any Watchbox vid with a GS in it.
Or the Watchfinder vid.

All you're doing is sperging.

>>13986780
Any video is with a watch of unknown origin with unknown specifications. I don't know how the watch was handled etc.
Especially true for Watchfinder, I have no idea who the other guy is

>>13986790
I mean listen to what they're saying, tardboy.

And lol @ ur life if you think Watchfinder vids have anything but the real deal in them.

>>13986793
Some of the paint fell off the dial man. it used to be there I swear

>>13986793
>still reddit spacing
>calls me a tardboy
>lol @ ur life
kys, go back. What does "the real deal" even mean? Of course they're genuine watches but if you pull up a macro from a watch that I have no idea what it has gone through or where it came from and you try and use it as evidence to make a generalisation you are simply stupid. This is the last (You) you are getting from me. Go back to where you came from.

>>13986805
So basically you're saying this: >>13986797
but unironically.
Lmao.

>>13985696
Anecdotal. We don't know the service history of this watch.

>>13986484
Stop sucking cock faggot.

>>13985756
Why would they? Their customers are brain dead, and would pay for their shitters if they raised the price by 30% again. I honestly hope they do again just to watch rollieshills justify paying triple what their watch is worth.

>>13986604
>they have the same flaws.
No they don't. The finishing standards are simply much higher with GS.
Rolex for instance doesn't even have any beveling anymore on their sub/GMT/explorer/... cases and bracelets.

>>13986460
what makes you say that

>>13986877
I didn't say the finishing standard was the same.

>>13987030
That depends how you look at it.
Entirely unfinished hands on an 8k or even 50k watch are flaws.