/fa/ - Fashion

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>being consumerist sheep trying to buy the nonsensical in season garbage to keep up appearances

extremely uneffay

>>13812347
you don't even have to do that to look presentable in public though?

European here who has lived for 10+ years in the USA, as well as France, Russia, and the UK.

I think you have to have a well-traveled world view to understand why Americans dress like shit and act like white trash. It's because they just don't give a fuck. The "we are the best fuck the rest of the world" mindset they have, the patriotism, permeates through every fiber of their being and every aspect of regular life. It's a very simplistic explanation but it is the truth. Why is it that in the USA the roads and infrastructure are shit, the people are fat and dress like shit, why is the food so low quality? Its because they just don't give a fuck.

>America fuck yeah

Though, I must say its quite a chill life if you can get into it. European life is too pretentious for some people, I liked it in the USA more than in the UK for sure. UK has the same ugly as fuck anglo base but with the most pretentious attitude you can imagine, at least Americans are down to earth in a sense.

>>13812341
Tbh I'm american, but live in a coastal city, and I've always wondered why it's so easy to spot out tourists from flyover states, and it's usually because of their strange attire. i.e. hunting camo, being fat, pastels

>>13812359
What other insight do you have about the US after living there for so long and traveling the world?

>>13812359
Well I'm European and I can tell you I've never seen any European outside the capitals dress properly, cheap jeans and t-shirts everywhere.
And I've traveled a fair bit around Europe.

>>13812412
Then you haven't been around much. Capitals in Europe definitely attract fashionable people, but even smaller cities have a decent percentage of the population dressing well. So for example Berlin is the fashion capital of Germany, but Hamburg, Frankfurt, Cologne will have fashionable people too. Same with France and cities like Marseille, Strasbourg, Toulouse. The capital rule only applies to smaller countries pretty much, for example Oslo is rather fashionable, but you won't encounter much in the rest of Norway. Besides Amsterdam I guess The Hague is okay, but that's pretty much it etc.

>>13812341
The fat from all of our Big Macs and double-breaded, double-lard chicken tendies fry up our brains and inhibit the part that makes us cognitively aware and not socially embarrassed.

No hate, tho, it makes it all the more easier to be the most best dressed person in the entire God-forsaken country.

>America fuck yea!

>>13812359
>It's because they just don't give a fuck
Can confirm.

I'm yuro and I've worked with a regularly changing base of young Americans (around the ages of 18 to 25) personally and sometimes older academics for a handful years. I regularly had some of them stay at my house in a 'quest family' sort of scenario.

In terms of fashion, the very first thing I noticed is how little of a fuck they give about their clothes, grooming and eating habits. For example we sat on the breakfast table and it was crazy to see how the Americans didn't really give a shit WHAT they were eating, but only paid attention to include as much fat and sugar into their food as possible. For example, it was not enough to make a simple slice of bread with a bit of marmalade, but IT HAD TO BE a slice as thin as possible, but with such a fat layer of butter and marmalade on it, you had to bind a rope around it to prevent it from leaking out on the sides. And the same sentiment goes for their fashion sense. They didn't give a shit about silhouettes, colors or fabrics, but only threw on what was nearest to them, some checkered woodcutter shirt, some khaki shorts, dirty socks and scuffed boots, then add a cheap ball-cap and they were ready to go about their day.

It's a lifestyle of universally not giving a fuck about anything ever.

To be fair you have a lot of these type of people in Europe too, just not with such an extreme all-encompassing attitude of nationalism and carelessness. In Europe it is more caused by sheer poverty. People just can't afford anything but the cheapest shit.

>>13812341
You're not wrong. It wasn't always this way. We're definitely not a fashion-centric nation, but any culture of quality garments or tailoring has been eroded by larger corporations. You used to be able to go to a local tailor or department store and get a decent outfit. The big chains out competed the smaller shops, but then outsourced production, embracing and amplifying the trend of simple casual clothing.

It's not like in Europe where there's is a deeper history and tradition that helps prevent people from always taking the path of least resistance. This is a new country. A few hundred years ago it was still in the stone age, and not that long ago many Americans still wore homemade clothes from patterns bought in Sears catalogs.

Every culture has shit-covered slobs.

>>13812538
You can't ignore the fact that Americans have the most slobs by far, though.

"America went from barbarism to decadence without civilisation in the meantime"

Speaking as someone who has never left my shithole village, I have heard that Tokyo is the most /fa/ city in the world

>>13812867
>I have never traveled outside my mommy's basement, but I know how fashionable some place is through anecdotal evidence

>>13812897
Indeed. But from what I've heard, its not so much that everybody dresses really nice but that very few people dress like slobs like in the US and Europe.

>>13812451
Absolutely disgusting, burgers without taste and heritage. But it's the same in europe nowadays, especially in the big cities.

>>13812867
I've lived in Tokyo for a year a year ago and I can confirm that majority of the people pay extreme attention to every detail of their outfit. I believe they succeed in being effay because the Japanese have a knack for nuances, something Americans don't have. They pay more attention to the quality of their clothes, and I even felt that fast fashion is not that popular over there as it is in Western-Europe (my current location).

>>13812341
Does this not largely depend on the state you find yourself in? I believe this when it comes to shitholes like Kentucky or the Carolinas, but I didn't know this was the case for the entire country. Can someone else wage in on this?

>>13812341
burger in the rust belt here, nobody gives a shit. Nobody cares about any part of their dress at all. As long as it sorta kinda makes sense for their job or wherever they happen to be, no fucks are given to anything. The only people who care about how they look are teenagers, and the look they care about is how many brands on their body they can get people to look at at one time.

>>13812451
Not a skirt in sight., except for that one center-right girl, who's still wearing pants beneath them.

>>13813623
Can confirm. Ameimutt in flyover state here. No one gives a shit about how they look. Sometimes even I feel like a moron for caring how my clothes look. Everyone around me does not care what they are wearing just as long as it's not offensive

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>>13812412

Cheap jeans and t-shirts are better than fucking pyjamas, sweat pants and knock off crocs though.

>>13813672
Yup. I've lived in big cities and flyover country. In middle America there's almost a culture of anti fashion. People think you're strange or pretentious for liking fashion beyond just looking presentable.

>>13812851
"The passage of the fruit, in other words, from crudity to rottenness, without the interposition of a period of useful (and ornamental) ripeness. With the Americans, indeed, the crudity and the rottenness are identical and simultaneous"

>>13812412
>Well I'm European and I can tell you I've never seen any European outside the capitals dress properly
please try to make these stories remotely plausible or else you will fool nobody

>>13812341
>implying Europeans don't dress pretty much the same way if not worse at times

>>13812341
The rich americans on both coasts east and west dress well. The middle of the US dont know how to.

So where in Europa was this photo taken?

>>13815080

wouldn't it be funny if all of those girls were just american tourists?

It’s a culture of comfort, convenience, over indulgence, what do you expect?

I lived abroad for 2 years, saw how the rest of the world actually gives a shit, learned how to dress well, came back to the states, saw how slobby most Americans dress. It’s ridiculous.

At least arthoes try albeit cookie cutter trends.

>>13812341
Most americans are poor as fuck. they might have nice cars or even nice homes but after the costs of living, which include tons of unnecessary shit, most Americans barely have enough money in the bank to afford nice clothing or travel. Most things americans buy that are luxury items are bought with credit which then takes months to pay off. americans dress like shit because the smart ones decide to stay out of that specific continuous debt.

Every big store in america offers individual lines of credit in addition to the regular credit cards people have. It's a fucking joke.

>>13815086
Too skinny

>>13815029
yea, what the fuck are you people on about. actual yuro here, stop acting like major cities across the eu are filled with fashion conscious people. you're no different than retarded americans with their "hurr no u" shit

>>13812359
tell me about russians, im very interested.

>>13812359
I'd sacrifice everything /fa/ to live a true /out/ lifestyle in the states.

Btw. Here in Paris, people certainly dress decently but it's all the same shit. Everyone is literally wearing the same monochrome, cheap stuff. The hive-mind is real here. London is much more hit-or-miss in terms of personal styling but at least people's outfits are interesting..

>>13815080
>Cafe Nero
Obviously the UK

Bump

>>13812991
It's certainly an urban vs. suburban/rural phenomenon, as well as a white collar vs. blue collar phenomenon. It's much more about class stratification than some weird genetic predisposition that Americans have for being sloppy.

>>13812359
How to cop multi-national lifestyle?

>>13815101
The whole country is in debt and we refuse to accept it and make some progress

>>13812359
>Why is it that in the USA the roads and infrastructure are shit
sure hope your auntie didnt die in the apartment collapse this morning in marseille

>>13812451
>when an american thinks about bigmacs

>>13812341
And least we use deodorant smelly yuro

>>13818874
Yeah, 7 different Axe

>>13818424
Why not make a meme out of the whole damn picture? Like more than half are fatties, grills included.

>>13812867
I do t think it's much different than any other capital city in terms of fashion but I think a big part is that Japanese people aren't fat and over there grooming and taking care of yourself isn't seen as gay as it is in the states.
>>13812341
Because America has a big blue collar culture and people will literally make fun of you and call you gay if you even attempt to take care of yourself.