/fa/ - Fashion

>>13648677
Is timex the new meme?

>>13648777

Yeah. Gonna get one soon as I'm bored of my f91w.

>>13648781

>>13648874
Very dressy

>>13648677
>>13648777
>>13648877
These sickest 77 dubs in a row with heavenly trips on the mid for confirmation

>>13648677
>>13648884
I find it interesting that they do to ten past ten thing even with digitals

Guys, how long will kuvarsit watches last? 1 year? 5 years? Does the dial flake? I'd guess I will spend some 300 bucks.

first for spooky watches

are there any other watches besides that zenith that use disks like this

>>13648906
helo windy, how are you
post gf bobs and vagene pls

>>13648907
good! How are you doing, any new horology? still need to get that tritium

don't have lewds that's dirty

>>13648906
Link to auction?

>>13648912
>Link to auction?
it's going for $84 just search ebay for Geisterstund

>>13648906
I wonder if someone could make drop in floating hand disks for seikos

Looking to pick up an entry level divers watch, also open to mid range divers if they can be picked up for a decent price second hand.any advice on what models to look at/ brands to stay away from?

>>13648932
Parnis and Invicta are good
Stay clear from quartz Seikos and swiss brands

>>13648932
Buy a vostok, it will outlive any shitty seiko or orient with a rich history and an unbeatable price and features.

>>13648777
Morning /wt

>>13648932
Solar Seiko or Citizen Eco Drive
>More accurate than a Rolex
>better finishing than an Omega
>won't die if you set it down for a few days
>6months charge on 1 day of wearing
>10/10 /fa/ style
>10/10 /g/ engineering

>>13648932
First, ignore the first few responses you got as you are being trolled by shitposters, secondly give your budget for entire level and mid range and come back in several hours after you've gotten some serious replies.

>>13648932
My picks personally in order of price
Vostok amphibia
Orient Ray II
Seiko Skx007, 009
Seiko Srp777, 775, 779 and so on
Ball DeepQuest

>>13648932

>>13648881
Will look into the Casio duro. Timex doesn't really do anything special imo, alpha watches have a ton of shitty reviews talking about how they just fall apart, decided to take them out.

>tfw too poor to get into modern Junghans

>>13648906
My Star Trek watch uses one for the seconds hand!

>>13649055
that's pretty neato desu

>>13649055
I like it!

wet

>>13649055
People want these mystery dial watches, and they want quality metal digitals. Why does do one make them?

>>13649077
I am seriously thinking about sending some casio plastic watch frames/cases/whatever you call it to some chinese manufacturers and asking them to make the the same exact thing in stainless and seeing how much it costs per unit. I would then just buy casios and put them in my new nice cases and try to make about $25-50 per watch, maybe include a decent nato (buy them in bulk, let there person pick a color).

I think people would pay $50-$150 (depending on the model) for casio quality internals and a nice SS case.

what does /wt/ think? I don't think I would get rich off this but it could be a fun hobby business

>>13649086
a little bitch like you would not last 2 seconds in the watch industry, give up kid

>>13649086
I think you wouldn't have a problem getting 75-150. Copy some vintage bracelet styles too.

>>13649042
Keep the Komandirski and the Casio Royal.

Just came in

>>13648932
If you actually dive, Citizen Eco-Drive Titanium Diver or Casio Frogman.

If not, Seiko SKX or Turtle.

>>13648874
That gave me glaucoma and skin cancer.

>>13649094
imo the braclets would probably harder and more expensive to make than the cases

>>13649092
>a little bitch like you would not last 2 seconds in the watch industry, give up kid
>watch industry
I would not consider tryning to sell a few dozen casios a month on ebay being in the "watch industry" lol!

>>13649013
>Claims "Modern" bs.
>Shows decades old radiocontrol tech already obsolete due to GPS.

Go fuck yourself.

Did anyone ever go to a high-end boutique (like a AP/JLC/VC one)? How was the experience? Any nice memes?

>>13649122
I lurk for hours every day and have never even seen an omega, tudor or rolex in person

>>13649130
My mom has a Rolex, and just wears her old swatch everyday
My father could afford tons and doesn't even wear watches (surgeon autism)
Life is pain

>>13649095
They are all staying. Getting an oceanus next, then a phoibos, then a carbon fiber gshock, then a ray 2 because I hate the skx and want it's enemy.

>>13649138
I've been telling my dad to get a seamaster or aquaracer. Super dadcore

>>13649122
I went to a couple multibrand ADs that sell high end stuff like Patek, Chopard...

Just normal "luxury place" attention, down to earth friendly people working there. Its true that i live in a place in yurop were clasism is low (and seen as very bad taste) and both workers and clients at places like those or "michelin star" restaurans f.e. treat everyone very respectfully but as equals. Probably due to historical reasons too long to explain here.

>>13649147
Keep it Seamaster.

>>13649163
My dad likes tags. I'm not gonna be an asshole and suggest a watch I want when he dies

>>13649169
Tell him at least to buy a Monaco and not an Aquashitter. Better still, you buy a Monaco for him as a present.

>>13648906
Shit loads of watches have floating indicators.

>>13649174
I like the monoco too and I've showed it to him but I don't think he likes the square shape.

Have Timex ever produced a steel digital watch?

>>13649182
Seems like this watch could have been half the size.

Should I buy this Raketa with Gorbachev on? Looks quite nice

>>13649182
Atlantis 100 from 1987
Other steel ones i am not awere of

>>13649174
>Tell him at least to buy a Monaco and not an Aquashitter. Better still, you buy a Monaco for him as a present.
costly

>>13649216
Yeah I'm a little too neet to afford a monaco for him

What makes a watch a pilot watch? How does it differentiate from a normal non-pilot watch when they both seems to have same function?

An example I can add is this Oris Pilot watch. It shows the time and the date just like a normal watch. Nothing else I can make of it to call it a pilot watch.

>>13649235
It's usually in the readability and resistance
Pilots are usually a bit bigger than normal watches (I think Luftwavve navigators had a +50 mm one to keep on their belt) to allow for greater readability
In your example it has a negative dial and big bold numbers

>>13649235
anything with black dials, white hands, white arabic numerals, big focus on clarity

https://kotchan.org/chat/int

>>13649235
It was a particular mostly german style and spec homologation specially during ww2. Check "flieger" watches history.

>>13649235
nazi B-Uhr

>>13649257
>>13649265
>>13649297
>>13649321
So the big focus is on the increased readability. That makes sense. Thanks to you all.

>>13649337
i wouldn't necessarily say they must be black and lack complications though

>>13649341
From the watch you showed, I get the idea that pilot watches are all about the visibility regardless of the color. Thanks to you too.

>>13649337
They also should tolerate negative pressure without the crystal popping out

>>13649387
Also the breitling Navitimer is pretty hard to read at a glance imo, and it's a pilots watch. The bezel calculates distance from lbs of fuel or something

>>13649451
Does the chrono seconds hand stuck at noon bother anyone else? I don't just mean this watch but all of them

>>13649460

>>13649460

>>13649451
How often people use the tachymetre in that thing?

>>13649494
4.75 times per hour

Post a wrist shot taken with your gf / wife / life partner

>>13649509

>>13649509
>Post a wrist shot taken with your gf / wife / life partner

>>13649522
Having a pet life partner is respectable

>>13649522

>>13649451
Why is it so loose on your hand?

What kind of watch should an underpaid transport mananger/transport analyst wear? Total watchnoob.
No leather bands, also im allergic 2 nickel if anything

Thanks!

>>13649605

>>13648942
God that looks sexy, model?

>>13649605

New, stilled needs sized

>>13649648
Okay.

>>13649605

It's new, still needs sized

>>13649642
Budget?

>>13649451
Welcome to the club yo

>>13649692
the speedy is a watch that simply needs to be on leather IMO

>>13649687
350 euro's,

Concidering SRPA29

>>13648940
If it doesn't arrive broken, and the movement doesn't fail within the first 6 months, and Ivan wasn't drunk when he pressure tested it and it doesn't let water in the first time you get it wet

Place to get the best noob replica speedy?

Do i get bonus /fa/ points for having a clover by my name?

XD

>>13649704
Ivan is always drunk, what you want is Ivan to be just the right amount of drunk when he assembles yours

>>13649692

chronograph on leather strap all day!

>>13649769

>>13649751
Don't bother with reps, especially not for something that's just a few thousand bucks. Get something nice in your price range and/or save for a genuine watch you want. Fake stuff = fake slimy person.

>>13649760
only if you are windy

>>13649697
That is a solid choice. The SRPB41J1 is gorgeous but maybe a little too shiny/blingy for work? How about a Tissot Visodate? most come on leather but you can slap it on a nato or metal bracelet.

>>13649697
Good watch but it's 42mm diameter. Whats your wrist size in inches?

>>13649776
>only if you are windy
Luckily for me, I am!

What should I do with this Lord Quartz? I can't get it to work and I had no idea how comically small it was. I could not wear this thing. Is it worth anything? I put in a battery and nothing happens

>>13649792
Send it to me. I’ll get it working.

My wife's birthday is next month. Is it possible to get a watch custom engraved on the back side by the manufacturer itself?

So far I have only found Fossil who does it.

What other manufactures you know who does it?

>>13649797
>Send it to me. I’ll get it working.
I seriously will, it's doing me no good.

>>13649553
Your cat has an eerie human expression.

is there an infograpgic on penis quartzs?
like how the fuck do you make sense of 300 different movements plus randomly assigning every possible permutation of king quartz, lord quartz, grand quartz, superior, qz, twin quartz, single penis and double penis

what the fuck is seiko's fucking problem?

>>13649800
https://seikousa.com/pages/corporate-gifts

make up some bs like your wife's cancer just went into remission maybe theyll let you order just 1 lol

>>13649792
>>13649802
what would this be worth if it worked? is it worth fixing?

>>13649806
>like how the fuck do you make sense of 300 different movements plus randomly assigning every possible permutation of king quartz, lord quartz, grand quartz, superior, qz, twin quartz, single penis and double penis
guy with the broken penis here

I agree it's confusing to the point of being maddening. I don't even know if the one i have is a good one or not to be fixed

>>13649808
Nah it's her 30th b'day and I thought I'll give her something special. I just want her name and her initials engraved on it.

Also in the website, are only these watches eligible for the engraving?

>>13649815
this is all I could find and it seems very incomplete

>>13649820
>engraving quartz shitters

>>13649827
Anything! I'm looking for an automatic. I made a mistake of not mentioning it int he OP.

>>13649791
6.69 inch

>>13649785
Tissot Visodate looks nice but bit out of my budget

>>13649868
>Anything! I'm looking for an automatic. I made a mistake of not mentioning it int he OP.
women's watches are not like men's watches, they are made only for how they look and nothing else. Buying a woman a watch is like buying her a purse, you are going to get one she does not like but she won't tell you that and will pretend to like it

>>13648942
God damn I love these especially on suede bands. How much did you pay for it

>>13649895
Well, buddy I know my wife more than you.

>>13648932
One thing to think about is the purpose of the watch. Is it to be one that you want to keep long-term, is it one that you want to pair with a suit, is it one you want to actually dive with, etc.? Divers in general are easily the most popular iteration of the wristwatch sold today, so that means you have a VERY large selection to choose from. Help us narrow down the purpose of the watch (and if it's something you want to pass down or something you see as semi-disposable).

all power reserve indicators belong on the BACK
REEEEEEEEEEE

>>13649100
Congrats Anon. Time to start buying some straps for it so you can diversify the look once in a while.

>>13649451
>>13649692
Beautiful Speedys. Still on my list....one day.

>got yet another raise at work for yet another STELLAR performance
>going to have a FUCKING submariner soon

I can't wait bros.

>>13649100
Ayy Semenmaster bro

>>13648677
Just bought one of these a couple days ago. It'll be on it's way soon.
Did I make a solid choice?

wtf why is /wt/ on /fa/ now

>>13650137
Because /g/ mods are autistic retards.

>>13650137
Because of me.

Though I dont know much about coding and the like I much preferred looking at other /g/ threads than these twink threads.

>>13650163
I don't fucking care.

/wt/ is a /fa/ thread now, get used to it.

>>13649086
Casio lawyers will ass rape you for design patent infringement unless you live in a country like China that doesn't give a fuck.

>>13650270
You mean the design they themselves copied from vintage digitals?

>>13650193
And yet it hasn't changed since the move. In fact it's got worse.

>>13649122
I've been to quite a few boutiques (patek, Lange, vacheron, breguet, ulysse nardin, bovet, piaget, Omega, parmagiani, Harry Winston, blancpain, chopard, Roger dubuis, Seiko, citizen, jlc, Hermes, others). Generally the staff is very friendly and is happy to show anything you want (as a casually dressed 20 something I've bad no trouble trying on 300k+ watches). ADs are tougher; they are much more focused on sales than boutiques.

>>13649806
I'm around a lot and can usually answer questions. Qt, qr, and qz are designations used on early export models (so was the rare gfa). Double penis watches have two quartz crystals, with the auxiliary crystal used for thermocompensation. In domestic models, Lord<king<grand<superior.

Reposting from last thread
https://imgur.com/a/NFMXDuK
Poorfag watch guide refreshed
Critiques and recommendations welcome
Currently doing a page on fitting, want to do another quick page on /wtg/ reccomended straps

I want to get a Timex Weekender but I can't decide which color face I like better. Help me decide m8s?

>>13650366
You should note the skx is iso-rated, since that's one of its main draws.
The 4r36 is rated +/-6spd? I'm very surprised, this is almost certainly wrong
The miyota 9015 is definitely not rated 3spd, what universe are you living in.
You should recommend the snk80x, not just one of them.
You left out a bunch of watches I recommended that I think belong on the guide.
The language describing the visodate as a 1000 to 1500 dollar watch is ridiculous.

>>13650100
Choose something better desu

>>13649086
You'd be better off just selling the cases and skipping the purchase of casios for their movements. I suppose you could offer an installation service for those that already have watches though.

>>13650395
I did a pretty good job reading as much as I could into each movement's accuracy and those were the claims everyone is making, I own those two movements and was getting the same.

I'll change the seiko 5 title, seems everyone prefers the basic name

I'm just quoting the general consensus with the visodate. I don't own one and struggled to actually find good things to say about it, would like an opinion from you if you own it.

>>13650393
The typeface suits a light background better.

>>13650270
>Casio lawyers will ass rape you for design patent infringement unless you live in a country like China that doesn't give a fuck.
doubt it, why are there a million seiko mod parts out there made and advertised by everyone?

thoughts?

>>13650393
TICK TICK the black TICK one TICK looks TICK better TICK imo TICK anon TICK TICK TICK TICK

>>13650457
incredibly boring

>>13650457
I guess it's got that 'old trusty' mood going for it

>tfw I told someone I wanted a nomos and they said just get a rolex

Not really a watch guy. What 80s style watch is good and will fit an 80s vaporwave style?

>>13650538
Casio AE1200WHD
Casio F91W
Casio A158W

>>13650552
Yeah ive looked at those. Anything like not Casio? I have one already and want something less popular. Sorry should have said that at first

>>13650538
subs are vaporwave

>>13650538
>>13650552
casio w86 is nifty :)

>>13650538

Two tone gold/white gold Rolex Datejust is the 1980s in watch form.

>>13650723

>>13650447
>>13650480
Thanks brothers I decided to go with the lighter one. We'll see how she looks when I get her in a few days.

>>13649100

>that shit tier finishing on the hands
>that garbage date wheel

how does omega keep getting away with it?

>>13650727
Stretched bracelets look comfy

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>S oyko males

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>>13650893
>cheap white trash tats on hand below cuffs

dropped

>>13650890

>>13650896
you should know buddy

>>13650903
>you should know buddy
wat

>>13650909
exactly

>>13650913
I have no idea what you’re talking about

>>13650893
windy stop with the gf

>>13650916
neither do you buddy

>>13650924
im not ur buddy pal

enjoy ur classy not trash gf lol

>>13650928
>enjoy ur classy not trash gf lol

stop talking about your sister that way pal

>>13650934
>stop talking about your sister that way pal
yeah

>>13650903
>>13650909
>>13650913
>>13650916
>>13650924
>>13650928
>>13650934
>>13650939
Wow the heat is on!

>>13650966
so who won

>>13650979
I think it's clear that the guy who has to go home to his $39.99 hand tats at the strip mall tattoo shop gf is the loser

>>13650986
steven i told you stop talking about your sister that way! especially when you paid for the tats!

Looking for a simple rose gold white dial watch with brown leather strap under $500. Similar to pic. Anything else I should look at?

>>13650997
this is another option

I'm tempted to buy a leather strap for my G Shock more expensive than the watch itself.

>>13649917
Oof, that's a good one.

Is there any digital watch where I can store simple short texts? I had a Casio Data bank watch and I used to store the most important contacts I had at the time. I found it to be a neat feature. I'm asking for watches other than Casio databanks.

>>13650997
Look over at Fossil. They have some pretty good looking watches for under 200 that looks exotic. Yes, Rose gold is also there.

Opinions

Absolutely new to watches, this caught my eye.

How cringe is it?

>>13651259
roman numerals are for faggots

>>13651273
Could do a lot worse than a max bill to be honest.

>>13651278

What's wrong with them

>>13651273
Good choice; i like the one with arabic bauhaus classic numerals better tho.

The main drawback is that its quite a fragile watch.

>>13650517
Get what you want anon, Nomos are great watches.

>>13650538
Seiko SCED021

Did i make a good choice for a first watch lads?
>it comes in 6 days

>>13650517
rolexes are really overrated especially the submariner. where i'm from everybody buys/flaunts a rolex subby to show that they've made it. there's so many options in that price range. just be you.

>>13649122
Hublot in Atlanta. super nice people the doorman is packing so don't try anything dumb.

What watch would you lovely boys recommend me based on my chubby chocolate arms?

>>13651398
You never wore a watch before, grandpa?

>>13651463
casio aq230 in gold

>>13650893
>>13649509
based gf posters

>>13651448
Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they aren't overrated.

The insane shortage of available Rolex sports watches right now isn't about supply. It's that demand has spiked because people just want a single watch that can be worn everywhere. Casual, work, smart dress. The Sub fits that.

>>13651486
Stop the samefagging pls. It's incredibly obvious.

>>13651496
how am i same fagging?
you must be a sore virgin
>>>/r9k/47927337

After some recommendations from /wt/ I decided to get this snk809, not bad for a babby's first watch is it?

>>13651504
it is not bad, but why do you have to always get "the babbys first" watch anyways?
can't you just skip this intro phase and get something you actually like?

>>13651507
Mainly because I don't have the right funding right now, I'll definitely be getting an actual watch when I get an actual job. I really do like this one though, and it already gives me a leg up over the g-shock and MVMT shitters that plague my country.

I fucking hate customs. Why d they have to ruin our fun and bargains??
And take ages in uk.

>>13651488
I'd take Explorer as the one watch. Less bling and works with any strap.

I think watches in general are valued too high. It's kind of weird that almost nobody can own and appreciate most of the real watches out there, yet the tech and manufacturing is not really that sophisticated anymore by today's standards. The handcraftmanship is really the only thing we ought to pay extra dosh for, but not in the tens of thousands, and certainly not in the hundreds of thousands. If you think about it, we get something that is 1000 times more complex and technologically advanced, like a car, for the same amount of money.

>>13651567
People rarely choose between a car and a watch. It's something you buy after everything essential, that's why they don't have to lower the prices.

>>13651578
But it is kind of weird tho.

>>13651586
It's almost like every luxury brand is owned by a bunch of counts

>>13651457
I wouldn't steal a hublot even if I could freeze time and walk through walls

>>13651603
>1 Rolex hahaha
>2 Rolex hahaha

Stupid japanese typhoon.
I won’t get my presage anytime soon.

>>13651567
>>13651603
Most people enormously underestimate the amount of skilled hand labor and the attendant cost of that labour that goes into making high end production watches and especially haute horlogerie watches.

Even someone like Rolex has to spend a fortune on R&D and capital investments to try and save labour because hitting their desired production volumes using the amount of hand labour Grand Seiko, Zenith, and entry level JLC use us simply not practical.

>>13651617
People underestimate the amount of skilled labor for a lot of things, and it doesn't need to cost as much as a fucking car just because the people creating them are actually using their hands.

A patek is to a ferrari what a ferrari is to the the large hadron collider at CERN, but in whose head should a car cost as much as the LHC? Lol. Watches are just in general out of proportion expensive compared to the technology and craftmanship it requires to build one, when you compare it to other things.

>>13651622
You also have to consider that a good mechanical will last you forever
The best computer in the world will go in the shitter after more than 4-5 years
It's more like buying jewelry than an actual machine

>>13651625
this
That’s why you’re on a fashion board now kek

>>13651625
>if you can pay 600 every now and then to keep it going, then it must surely be worth as much as a ferrari
I know what I'm saying is a little out of the box because we have grown up in a world, learning that watches simply just are in that price range. But when you just start thinking about it, those prices really are out of proportion huge, I know you must be able to realize it.

The technology in a lange should be available for people willing to pay 400 + maybe another 1000 for the handcraftmanship.

That would be proportionate to other types of technologies that money can buy.

>>13651622
No, they aren't. Fine watchmaking requires much more skilled hand labour than a car which in turn requires more than a computer.

>>13651637
How many hours in total will be used for just the handcrafting of a fine watch like a lange?

>>13651633
Most watches aren't as expensive as a Ferrari

>>13651636
There is more hours of skilled hand labour put into finishing a single part in the movement of a Lange than into finishing the entire movement on an Omega.

https://youtu.be/ZT9rvtlk_yc

This compares a Patek chronograph to an Omega MOTFM.

thoughts on Grand Seiko Spring Drive watches?

>>13651741
Yes, so? I'm not complaining about the relative prices between watches, I'm saying watches in general, all watches should be worth only like 10% of what they are priced.

I wonder how many hours of handcraftwork there is on one of those Lange watches. Let's say it is 20 hours, a very high number. That means the work is worth tops 2000. And the technology is really not worth much, so let's say the lange is worth 2500. Let's just say 3000 so that they get a profit off of it too. Heck, 3500!! Wow, they are making big bucks, they should be celebrating now. There, that's a good price for a Lange.

Now instead we get these ricidulous high prices of 40k Who in their right mind thinks that a Lange is as much worth as a ferrari? I'm just asking... Yeah of course if the market is willing to pay blabla, but the market is really just going with the flow isn't it. Nobody if pressed, will honestly believe that they get as much for the money when buying a Lange, as they would get buying a LAMBORGINI. And that's my point. The relative price point of watches is too high when comparing it to other technologies.

Alright, the Cosmotron got sold for $70 dollarydoos. Just waiting for the payment and then I'm posting it. Coincidentally the buyer is also Hungarian so it's not going that far.

Seventy bucks isn't as much as I hoped for, but this was more of a test run of selling on Ebay anyway.

>>13651800
i met two hungarians at college and they were both assholes

>>13651811
Did you fuck them?
How was it?

>>13651811
That's the thing about Hungarians. The jerkoffs leave to try to make it big in the first world. The real niggas stay and try to make ends meet in this shithole.

>>13651770
Too expensive for me
But I’d like one for sure.
>that glorious smoothness

>>13651820
its not fair those fucking nips could probably make another viscous fluid smooth watch cheaply but wont.

>>13651820
That glorious smoothness indeed, but lets say you have a Seiko medicus or what was it called?
You can't see the ticks with your bare eyes.

hey windy do you have this watch its pretty cool i think

>>13651800
Is have paid £120 for that. Looks nice

>>13651783
>I wonder how many hours of handcraftwork there is on one of those Lange watches. Let's say it is 20 hours, a very high number.
You really don't understand the quantities of hand labour involved here. There are likely more than 20 hours of hand labour in each component of the movement, at least several hundreds of hours of skilled hand labour in the movement as a whole.

Making a Lamborghini requires only a tiny fraction of the skilled hand labour that making a Lange does.

>>13651856
Got any references for 20 hours per component? That’s got to be bullshit.
Reminds me of this https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.adweek.com/creativity/leica-intentionally-makes-most-boring-commercial-ever-can-you-sit-through-it-157317/amp/

>>13651856
I'm curious About the average salary of a mid level swiss/German watchnigger. Do they make big bux?

Tfw got my first f91w

>>13651865
after a quick google research I found some salary graphs and it said you earn around 2.8k€ befor tax. Sure it will be more if you work at an premium brand facility.

>>13651862
I'm on mobile at the moment so I'll have to look up the reference for you later, but here is a small taste of Lange's crazy levels of hand work:

https://youtu.be/pZE-ORTurSY

>>13651856
>There are likely more than 20 hours of hand labour in each component of the movement, at least several hundreds of hours of skilled hand labour in the movement as a whole
I'm having a hard time believing that kind of bullshit. But if that's true and you have some sort of reference, then I'll accept it.

>>13651877
>>13651881

german cutting machine operator here
I am 2.5 years working now and earn 3.1k befor tax so I can tell you, there are very easy and good paid jobs.
Also I only work 36h/week.

>>13651881
It's obviously, transparently false. I googled Lange watch and the first hit was an 1815 chrono with over 300 components in the movement alone and an MSRP of 49k eur. If each component requires 20 hours of skilled labor that's completely uneconomical.

Lange makes fantastic watches and their watches are very competitive on a relative basis with other watches at the price point but this 20 hours per component thing is ridiculous.

>>13651878
>https://youtu.be/pZE-ORTurSY
all for less accuracy than an f91 kek

>>13651896
Yeah exactly. It would mean 6000 hours of handcraft work. Which is at least 120k in salary for those who do the handcrafting. The anon who replied to me is now proven to be a VERY stupid person. I want to tell it to his face, but sadly we live in different countries, also he would hit me because stupid people tend to be violent.

>>13651905
I would post about how stupid he is on the wall of his facebook and link to horrible content

>>13651903
And a rolls royce phantom can't do 0-60 the fastest either

A lot of red-pills on watches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxk2LW_26To

>>13651910
1: The Rolls Royce phantom is actually a shitty car and is only good if you have other cars and a driver for it
2: a watch keeping time accurately and without fucking with it is far more important than how fast a car can go 0-60 as long is the car can do it reasonably enough to merge with traffic

>>13651770
The thing is hideous, the power reserve should be on the back, it has no right being even 1/5th of the price it is and not one person cares about a month sweep! at the speed most watches beat at the human eye can't even differentiate the miniscule jumps from a steady movement. Seiko need to just stick to quartz which us want there decent at.

>>13651920
>not one person cares about a month sweep! at the speed most watches beat at the human eye can't even differentiate the miniscule jumps from a steady movement.
that's bullshit

>>13651920
>at the speed most watches beat at the human eye can't even differentiate the miniscule jumps from a steady movement.
What kind of lousy eyes do you have?
>Seiko need to just stick to quartz which us want there decent at.
So spring drive then

>>13651920
*smooth sweep

>>13651922
Prove me otherwise chump

>>13651881
>>13651896
>>13651905
It's many hundreds of hours in hand finishing per movement, so still multiple hours per movement component. I was mixing up the hours per component with watches made by independent watchmakers. The fundamental point remains that hundreds of hours of skilled hand labour are extremely expensive and explain why haute horlogerie watches have five and six figure price tags.

>>13651927
>>13651922
Ask any gamer, the human eye can't see past 60hz s when a watch second hand beats faster than 60bps you can't even see it

>>13651929
>Prove me otherwise chump
just go watch a spring drive video vs a high beat, it's noticable

>>13651933
I'd like a real number, not pulled from your ass. Then I can see how much it's overpriced for real.

>>13651934
So why do gaymurs have 144hz monitors now

>>13651934
>5-7ticks per second
>60hz

>>13651933
If it has like 200 hours of manual handcrafting, then it's worth like 4000 or something. And the technology is worth south of 500. Yet we pay 50k for such a watch. It's just a ridiculous notion really, that just because you put 200 hours of handcraft into a quite simple thing technological-wise by today's standards, then the price for it is as much as that of a freakin' Ferrari, which is like 100 times as technologically complex.

>>13651941
I'm not talking about those slow way he's I'm talking about high end 60+ tick watches

>>13651940
It's companies like Nvidia pushing new tech on consumers and making people feel like they n3ed it and pay to upgrade the tv industry d ijd the same thing with 4k nobody can see 1080p vs 4k unless you're inches from a 60 inch screen

>>13651946
>slow way he's I'm talking about high end 60+ tick watches
wat

show me a 60+ tick per second mechanical watch

>>13651920
Please circle the power reserve on that dial.

looking for a cheap field watch, should i pull the trigger on pic related?

>>13651969
Yes, mine has lasted over 15 years with no issues. Other that the keeper on the strap snapped so I swapped for a nato.

>>13651946
>>13651951
There has never in history been a commercially released watch that beats 60 times per second in its main timekeeping hands and doesn't use electricity. The fastest is the zenith zo342 at 15hz, and even that was an extremely limited release; the fastest serial release was breguet at 10hz.

>>13651937
A Piaget minute repeater has 1400 hours of hand finishing, according to https://timeandtidewatches.com/insight-the-watchmaking-of-piaget/ :

"All this work means that even a basic baseplate can take two to three days to complete, while a minute repeater movement takes 1400 hours of finishing."

If a Piaget minute repeater has 1400 hours of hand finishing, then my original estimate of around 700 hours of hand finishing for a Lange chronograph seems to be in the right ballpark.

Here's another little instructive bit on what goes into black-polishing the heads of individual screws on these kinds of watches: http://watchesbysjx.com/2015/01/explained-the-fine-art-of-black-polishing-aka-speculaire.html


>>13651945

>>13649516
this image is distressing

>>13651273
it's a good choice, anon
junghans makes good quality watches, and imo if you're going minimal it's hard to go wrong with them. nomos is another good brand with a minimal bauhaus aesthetic, if you're looking to do some comparison shopping, but the max bill is very nice

>>13652046
why?

>>13652062
>why?

>>13652064
?

>watches
Uhm alright
>timepieces
Wow this guy must be an expert

>>13651997
So tha handcrafting cost is only about 13-20% of the price of that watch, which means it's overpriced as fuck. And this is a pretty damn special watch, more special than a normal lange or patek. I wonder what's the numbers for the standard produced pateks and langes.

>>13652085
>So tha handcrafting cost is only about 13-20% of the price of that watch,
Based on what math? 700 hours of finishing labour on a Lange chronograph at an extremely conservative 40 Euros per hour would be 28,000 Euro in raw labour cost for finishing alone, before considering all the overhead costs associated with using that much labour per watch.

>>13649804

>>13652105
>Based on what math? 700 hours of finishing labour on a Lange chronograph at an extremely conservative 40 Euros per hour would be 28,000 Euro in raw labour cost for finishing alone, before considering all the overhead costs associated with using that much labour per watch.

>>13651633
I think that sure, something like a $70k Patek is ridiculous, no matter how many rare materials are in there, but up to a point, maybe $8k-10k, there are plenty of watches which are built with a ton of craftsmanship and have very good movements and materials, etc, which are probably worth it. A mechanical watch is a complex to manufacture item, especially if it's reliable and durable and well crafted. If we're talking about watches made of solid gold or platinum or whatever, then that number can be bumped to 20k I think. There are pieces of jewellery which cost as much because gold/platinum/diamonds are just expensive to source.

At some point, it's worth what it's worth because we as a society agree on that. A significant reason to buy a Rolex is that technically, it's free, since the resale on even a 10 year old sub is the same as MSRP. It's retarded, but there you go.

all these dummies arguing about value in a high end watch's manufacturing when the whole point is you are displaying your wealth and power on your arm, and can sell it when needed

t.viking

>>13652121
>all these dummies arguing about value in a high end watch's manufacturing when the whole point is you are displaying your wealth and power on your arm, and can sell it when needed

Cyka blyat

>>13652062
i do not know, anon
it invokes in me some primal fear
maybe there is implied violence due to the grip and size difference
whatever it is, i do not like it

>>13652141
>it invokes in me some primal fear
>maybe there is implied violence due to the grip and size difference

>>13651783
>20 hours
The balance cock alone takes a skilled craftsman 90 hours to complete

>>13652132
evening hungarybro
hows it going?

>>13652155
>cock

>>13652141
I would never hurt my petite gf anon, fear not.

>>13651856
>>13651881
I can believe it. I was told by Lange it took 5 years to make this watch. That is all the time to produce the parts, case, dial, the QA of each of those, the incredible level of the finishing etc

It takes a skilled watchsmith to put together the over 300 moving parts to do the final testing and accuracy rating. If the accuracy doesn't fit within an acceptable range the take the entire watch apart and validate everything to find the fault. Once they finally have a watch that's working to tolerance they take it apart and do it all again just to be sure!

>>13652118
Rolex is the perfect example of my point. Almost no handcraftmanship at all, yet cost as much as a car. It should be 1000 dollars only, tops.

>>13652198
> Rolex
> Almost no handcraftmanship at all
You have no idea what you are talking about.

>>13652194
>I was told by Lange it took 5 years to make this watch.
They lied.

>>13652194
>5 years
No mate, it doesn't at all.

>>13652200
How many hours of handcrafting then?

>>13652202
>>13652210
Damn typo. I meant to type at least "5 man years"

>>13652212
I can't even imagine. iirc there's only 4 people in the entire company who are skilled enough to engrave the balance cocks. Each one takes days.

>>13652227
>>13652227
>I can't even imagine. iirc there's only 4 people in the entire company who are skilled enough to engrave the balance cocks. Each one takes days.
If what you say is true, then there would have to be 250 000 days in one year, or maybe 500 000 days in one year if they spend more than 1 day per balance cocks, since Rolex produces one million watches per year (maybe closer to 2 million now) - honestly it's mostly just machines building them from scratch.

>>13652237
So Rolex and Lange are the same company? I'm confused.

>>13652245
>So Rolex and Lange are the same company? I'm confused.
yeah

>>13652245
You replied to a post in which I talked about rolex. Call me confused.

>>13652250
Wat

>>13652250
Fair, apparently >>13652227 was the one who screwed up.

>>13652200
...
>>13652212
>How many hours of handcrafting then?
>>13652227
>I can't even imagine. iirc there's only 4 people in the entire company who are skilled enough to engrave the balance cocks. Each one takes days.

is this worth 40k?

>>13652260
Lol no

>>13652263
why not

>>13652265
$40 in metal $150 in labor

>>13652250
You're very confused. As for your point about Rolex and the amount of manual labour involved in their production - read this https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/inside-rolex

Long article but it's very good with a whole section about that exact point.

>>13652267
makes sense i guess, but still i want one

>>13652268
can you dumb it down for me

>>13652260
The fuck is the point of a toubillon when there's no second hand? For accuracy your eyes can't even see?

>>13652275
Wat

>>13652270
> can you dumb it down for me
Fuck loads.

>>13652258
Well, I'm interested in knowing the amount of handcraftship a normal 50k patek or whatever brand watch has for its production.

Whatever that number, the cost of paying those people, are the value of that watch, + a little bit of value for the VERY simplistic technology, say tops $1000 + the material, say tops $1000

If that amounts to 50k ... then OK, I'm gonna be shocked. Somehow I think you guys want to believe that watches are not overpriced. And I'd say you are deluding yourself. Obviously the market has pushed the prices for watches skyhigh for the last 50 years. But then again, you will refuse to agree with me forever and ever, so I think the ball is about to be dead.

>>13652260
> 40k for a hajime asaoka watch
Didn't it retail for well over that?

>>13652198
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

There is still a fair amount of hand labour in the finishing and assembly of high-quality production watches like Jaeger Le Coultre's entry level models, Grand Seiko, Zenith and so on.

Rolex spends tons of money on R&D and capital investments in plants and equipment to be able to achieve comparable levels of movement quality to GS, JLC and Zenith without using that hand labour because Rolex simply has too much volume to do it the way those other brands do.

The perfect example of the costs involved in making high quality production watches from scratch is Nomos going from charging ~$1,500 for watches based on semi in-house Presaux 7001 based movements to having to charge ~$4,000 for fully in-house watches because they needed over 10 million Euros in capital investments to be able to gain the ability to design and produce their own escapements in series.

>>13652268
I just want to know the amount of hours someone has to be payd for doing manual work on each piece of a rolex. Then I can determine its true value from the factory. Then I will know how deluded the market is.

>>13652283
>>13652283
>>13652283

>>13652294
because there are not millions of dollars of machinery there or other expensive ass shit needed to make the watches, it's just steel and man hours, that's it

>>13652286
I mean watches are sold by people who are trying to make a profit, so I would not expect the cost of materials and labor (plus amortized capital, r&d, etc) to be equal to the cost of the watch.

My focus in discussing watch prices generally tends to be "does a watch compare favorably to other watches at its price point?". If you're trying to get a handle on a haute horlogerie watch being an objectively efficient way to spend money then I don't think anyone would argue that it is.

>>13652293
Enlighten me, how much does 1 rolex cost to produce?

>>13652286
> Somehow I think you guys want to believe that watches are not overpriced.
No one here wouldn't say that haute horology level watches aren't expensive. Of course they are.

However saying they are overpriced isn't all about the materials. A Rolls Royce is the same. You pay for the hand construction and level of finishing, the exclusivity, limited production and as a status symbol. If you have the money to many it's worth it.

>>13652286
How much did the paint in "Starry Night" cost?

How many hours did it take him to paint it?

really makes you think

>>13652307
No one outside of Rolex knows. They are a very private company and don't release that kind of information.

Other manufactures that we do know about have profit margins of upto 40-50% but remember that AD's take around 20% of that.

>>13652318
well to be fair there are a lot of similarly finished similar style watches out there.

I would say the tudor pelagos is pretty similar, and let's say they can sell that with a $1000 profit at $4500, I would say a subby costs something like $4000-5000 to produce. I think that is reasonable.

So (rolex wholesale) are trying to make about $2000-$3000 and leave $1000 or so for the retailer to make.

which I would not begrudge them, I don't see the problem

I am sure my numbers are not 100% right but im in the ballpark

>>13652307
What >>13652318 said, but just look at the simple fact that no company manufacturing high-quality series produced watches with fully in-house movements sells them for less than ~$3,200 - $4,000.

>>13652160
Evneing fa.m.
Working in my bar. It's a slow day tho.

>>13652394
At least I have time to read about german watchmaking art. Going to also read up on the watches in the preselected of the gphg.

>>13652275
> accuracy your eyes can’t see

>>13652407