/fa/ - Fashion

>Reminder that watches are technology.
no, watches are for fags, just like ass-dildos

Reminder that parachrome hairsprings are better than silicon hairsprings for things like shock resistance but silicon is being preferred by some brands because it's easier and cheaper to manufacture.

>>13472036
what do GS use?

>>13472036
Why would a brand like Rolex use something different to reduce production costs?
Also, https://quillandpad.com/2018/02/15/silicon-stay-rolex-watch-movements/

Assembling this tiny ETA. It's literally like a 2824 only tinier.

Also it has that weird twisted stem like some other 70's ETAs.

>>13472036
>>13472037
Seiko flat out refuses to use silicon in their movements. That doesn't mean that they won't put it in their low end Seiko 5's in ten, twenty years.

>>13472039
>It's literally like a 2824 only tinier.
So does it have a very short power reserve then?

I just received the NH36 movement I'm going to swap into my SNK803. I hope all goes well; gaining hacking and handwinding is nice, but the truth is that swapping it instead of my old 7s26B (the one with the design issue) that doesn't keep good time is cheaper than servicing...
I'm paying more than the worth of the watch for that movement, but that should be fun to do.

>>13472036
silicon doesn't have an issue with magnetism

>>13472041
>>13472036
Which one resists temperature changes the best? I only know that they switched to springs made of two metals for this reason, but I don't know how it works currently. Is silicon stable enough that this isn't required?

>Seiko did make it public a couple of years ago that they "believe in metal", and stated while they see the beneficial properties of silicon, they do not feel it is ready for long term use in a mechanical watch, at least in it's current state. It is brittle. But also, coils on hairspring cannot be adjusted manually.

>Another thing to keep in mind is that Seiko has been in the semi-conductor business since the 70's. For a company who has the full capability to manufacture silicon in-house, and not to use it in their watches, does make a bit of a statement.

>>13472043
>For a company who has the full capability to manufacture silicon in-house, and not to use it in their watches, does make a bit of a statement.
The statement could also be that they have massive amounts of tooling currently in use that they'd need to change to make the switch to silicon.

Anyone working in hospitals got a preferred watch make?

>>13472044
it would be more expensive for everyone else than for seiko

>>13472050
Tudor.

>>13472051
True, but Seiko seems to be led by the kind of people who don't really care about making a change for marketing purposes. If they don't see the advantage in silicon, why switch, apart from being able to say "we have silicon"?
Seiko would have never picked up the coaxial escapement.

>>13472056
That's an odd argument to make when seiko have spring drive

>>13472057
They seem to be convinced that it's a better type of movement.

>>13472057
You have to remember that there are two Seikos with different corporate cultures. Seiko Epson, which used to be Suwa Seikosha, is much more experimental and unsentimental. They are the side that manufactures quartz, Aston and spring drive watches.

Seiko Instruments, what used to be Daini Seikosha, are much more traditionalist in their design philosophy. The main reason they won't use silicon for hairsprings is this:

>But also, coils on hairspring cannot be adjusted manually.

Because this means they'd have to switch to a free sprung balance approach in order to use silicon hairsprings, since high levels of accuracy on regulated balances depends on extensive manual adjustment of hairspring geometries, which would not be possible with silicon hairsprings.

In fact the balance wheel and pallet forks already likely are silicon since they are made by photolithography, which SII did in the first place to facilitate building a 36000 bph hi-beat to follow their internal design traditions.

>>66511917
I live in Tokyo, just bought a SARB for ~$300 two days ago. Price is up online but brick and mortar shops and department stores are trying to get rid of them, probably to make room for whatever Seiko is replacing it with, maybe more Presages. You can find them here and there around town but it will take some digging. The big chains are mostly sold out.

>>66511835
SARX has diamond coating to protect the case and a "super clear" sapphire coating on the crystal, according to Seiko's website. Other than that SARX is a little more polished overall.

Okay guys, I gotta stop bead posting for a while so that this shit show stabilizes.
Have fun guys!

>>13472041

Neither does parachrom

>>13472061
>Have fun guys!
Thanks.

>>13472060
>Other than that SARX is a little more polished overall.
The SARX and SBDx lines have their cases and bracelets made in Japan by the same divisions that make them for Grand Seiko, though mostly without the 'zaratsu' polishing. They are manufactured and externally finished to a much higher standard than SARB tier models.

Couldn't get a good pic, but here is the completed base movement. Now I'll regulate it and then install the automatic complication.

>>13472043
>coils on hairspring cannot be adjusted manually.

this gives me so much anxiety as a watchmaker. I don't know whether I love it or hate it. hairspring adjustment is one of the few remaining human-only skills left I'm the industry. and I have spent countless hours practicing that skill.

but hairspring adjustment sucks to do. so I'm relieved that it won't be necessary moving forward?

but also, in my own watch, I generally prefer something durable which needs maintenance over something which is replacement-only

just ordered my new watch aaaaaahhhh

I can't post on /vg/ because someone got my entire region rangebanned, but faggot mods are powerless against all the shitposters, so they just move it to /fa/. I swear this garbage site if worse by the day.

>>13472075
>I can't post on /vg/ because someone got my entire region rangebanned
Serves you right.

>>13472075
Discord when?

>>13472059
>n fact the balance wheel and pallet forks already likely are silicon since they are made by photolithography
They appear to be metal but looks can be deceiving I suppose.

>>13472070
which one is it?
i ordered an 80s seiko quartz shitter for 10$ and also ordered a gshock gmw5610-1

>>13472088
the Stowa I've been patiently waiting to get. By far the most I've spent on a watch and I'm very excited. My first hand winding too

>>13472088
oh sorry how rude of me, I also hope you'll love them both anon. My f91w is still my current favourite

>>13472093
thank you dear anon i hope you enjoy your new Stowa

>2018
>still no mechanical smart watch

>>13472094
are you going to use anything to try and clean up the vintage seiko? that sounds neat

New straps today...time to get a legitimate flieger strap on my shitter "flieger" watch.

There are a billion speedmaster models I wish omega hadn't whored it out so much

>>13472100
ill ask a watchmaker what to do,it is pic related seiko
it was only 10$ tho and i couldnt find any other vintage seiko quartz

Will recommence the posting soon, got to go blow my nose lads.

>>13472095
Doesn't Frédérique Constant have one? Or is it Alpina?
But I'm not sure why you would want that. They have pretthmy much opposite purposes.

this bead guy is the worst i miss windy

>>13472111
Umm maybe contribute to the thread instead of whining?

>>13472069
I don't think Seiko Instruments is going to be giving up on manually adjusting hairspring geometries any time soon. The consider a core aspect of their approach and refused to adopt silicon hairsprings or free sprung balances to be able to keep it.

Hell just recently they did a limited run VFA model that was manually adjusted to run +/- 2 SPD in 6 positions over 34 days of testing, which is probably the most heavily adjusted hairspring in regulated balance movement in 40 years.

>>13472081
Can you make metal components using photolithography?

>>13472115
Metal is probably the most common material processed with such a method just not on such a microscopic scale.

>>13472110

Not bad. They really didn't need to put "HYBRID" on it though. Makes it look cheap.

>Will recommence the posting soon, got to go blow my nose lads.
Wait wait wait. The untouchable street-shitter guy is doing this *manually*?
>mfw my time will never be as worthless as this sad niggers.

>>13472125
>browse grindr with one hand
>shitpost on /g/ with the other
Not that difficult desu.

Also,

>nigger's*

you retarded faggot.

>people are paying $600 for submariner fakes and getting shit like this

LMAO

Anyway, back to the beads.

Hot off the presses, SKX007 and SKX009 strapcode editions from Island Watch.

Your choice of flat or domed sapphire crystals, super oyster or super jubilee bracelets.

((($399.00 to $409.00)))

https://www.longislandwatch.com/Seiko_SKX007_Divers_Automatic_Watch_p/skx007-sd.htm

https://www.longislandwatch.com/Seiko_SKX009_Divers_Automatic_Watch_p/skx009-sd.htm

https://www.longislandwatch.com/Seiko_SKX009_Divers_Automatic_Watch_p/skx009-fs.htm

https://www.longislandwatch.com/Seiko_SKX007_Divers_Automatic_Watch_p/skx007-fs.htm

Good morning wt

The one-piece case on the cosmic is designed to improve water resistance, but comes at a cost. Since the back is not removable, to open the watch, the crown is removed, and then compressed air is blown into the watch to pop the crystal off. Then the movement and dial are removed through the front.

>>13472140
Is that safe for the insides?

>>13472140
Neat. When's the last time you were exposed to sunlight though? I'm worried about you anon.

>>13472138
that's not a bad deal, if I was going to pay to have mine upgraded I would want them to index the watch so everything like the chapter ring lined up too

>>13472142
not that guy but of course it is. What's compressed air going to do to solid metal components? As long as it's not blasted in aggressively.

>>13472142
Not him either but you don't blast it so the sheer force of the initial blast pops it off, you slowly build the pressure until it pops off smoothly. Assuming the watch is built competently, the internal components will deal with the building pressure.

>>13472142
The biggest risk is that you somehow manage to hurt the dial, either by the dial moving and coming in contact with the case or crystal or the crystal contacting the dial as it comes out. It's a delicate enough prices that I wouldn't do it myself, even though I'd like to regulate this watch by about 10-15spd, but for a watches it shouldn't totally be a big issue.

>>13472152
The design was popular in the 60s, for both water resistance and thinness reasons. My GP cases use the same technology (which is unfortunate because it makes it harder to authenticate the serial against the observatory database)

>>13472138
Isn't that what that one anon paid for his, except it also had a 6r15 swapped in?

>>13472159
I have no clue, it was in my inbox this morning though and figured I'd share with /wt/ for anyone potentially interested. Not a bad deal regardless.

>>13472140
Is the crystal just friction then? Surely that's not great for water resistance?

>>13472162
friction fit*

>>13472162
they're friction, and they do ok on WR, but they're certainly not for diving. the acrylic crystals have to be compressed to fit into the case with a tool like pic related

>>13472166
tool for ANTS

Can someone tell me if this one is a fake or not ?

>>13472123
Looks like a $10 AliExpress shitter.

>>13472172
>fake tissots

>>13472175

Not sure if want. Too plain

>>13472183
Look for a chronograph then

Sending in my SKX to have the movement swapped for an NH36. I'm thinking of having some other minor cosmetic mods done on it as long as its being taken apart. Maybe something like new hands. Any suggestions for minor SKX mods? I think I'll do a ceramic bezel at some point in the future but I'm already spending ~120 on a 200 watch and I'm not ready to sink in much more at this time.

>>13472193
Nice trips.

>>13472189
Already got one. Does every collection need a dress watch?

>>13472191
Sapphire crystal, good bracelet. Ceramic bezel inserts can be pretty nice, but I'm not a fan of the look myself. Maybe a different bezel. If you like the hands, installing just a new seconds hand (maybe something a little silly from dr seikostain on ebay) could be a way to make it a little different.

>>13472194
Thanks.

>>13472195
No. But they're nice.
If you don't want one, don't get one. There's no point paying $300+ for a watch that will sit in your box 99% of the time.

>>13472198
Is there a dress watch for people who don't like stereotypical dress watches?

>>13472200
Yeah, try the Tudor Heritage Black Bay.

Damn, this spam is sad

>>13472140
Very interesting to compare this watch to the cosmic discussed here https://forums.watchuseek.com/f20/60s-omega-seamaster-cosmic-364832.html ?
You appear to have a different (perhaps original crown) but your watch also has the weird numerals and different sized hands that the forum member alleges were changed in servicing. Beautiful watch in great shape. Where'd you pick it up? You might consider having the hands relumed.

>>13472203
>watches
>spam
Where do you think you are?

I got a bag of old watches from a more distant relative on the condition that I need to restore one for her to wear (+80 old lady). It's the jewish side of the family, so there are a few shitters there that were considered fancy in 1960's to 80's communist Hungary. I tried to restore a British-made Timex with a disposable handwinding movement, but that was a bust. So now I'm working on a tiny Swiss women's watch in pretty good cosmetic condition.

This is the movement, ref number 561.101. Internet lists it as ETA-made, but I suspect this was originally made by someone else that got absorbed by ETA. It's 6x8 ligne like most basic quartz shitter movements, but this is pretty good quality. For starters it has a trimmer cap, and screws for the dial feet. I'll see what other shit I'll find when I start taking it apart just now.

Since this doesn't seem too well documented on the Internet maybe I should take pics of the disassembly, so I can put it together later. But maybe ETA has a technical sheet, I'll look it up.

Is this seriously the only joy in this psychopats life?

>>13472196
I quite like Blued hands in dress watches. I'm not sure how they'd look in a black diver. I'll check out things from Dr. Seikostain.

Also I'd be curious to hear from anyone else who put an nh36 in an SKX. Good upgrade? Any increase in accuracy (I understand with regulation both movements have similar accuracy)? Do the mods yourself or pay someone. etc

>>13472215
>nh36 in an SKX
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of buying a seiko

>>13472196
Ceramic bezels are nice but I agree that they are a bit of an overrated feature and definitely don't look outstanding on all watches.

Maratac put one on their SR-35 and while it looks nice with the sapphire dome, I could easily do without.

>>13472215
>I quite like Blued hands in dress watches. I'm not sure how they'd look in a black diver.
Probably not very legible.

>>13472218
>doesn't putting a Seiko movement in a Seiko watch defeat the purpose of buying a Seiko
WDHMBT?

>>13472205
I got it on eBay. I originally saw the dial reference in a shady dealer in the diamond district, but the vibe I got just made me not confident that this was a good seller. Buy the seller. Had to wait well over a year to find another one but got a great piece and patience paid off.

The hands are clean enough that I'm happy not getting them relumed. I've seen enough pieces with this dial style (at least five) to feel confident that this was an original dial style, even if I don't know if mine is original or redialed (though I have no reason to think it's redialed).

BASED MODS

MODS = GODS

I swear Tudorfag is a mod and he's the one moving the thread. The state of this fucking site and the fucking mod team is sad and pathetic, along with Tudorfag.

>>13472233
Guess it was fun while it lasted

>>13472234
No, actually, it wasn't.

>>66516734
Can't speak for everyone but can talk about why I bought a seiko. Bought my SKX a year ago because I wanted a durable, affordable watch to take with me to graduate school. I also wanted an automatic movement, minimal maintenance and wasn't too fussed about accuracy. I loved my SKX for that purpose and it remains my only watch. I want to upgrade the movement because I dropped it and it runs very fast now (broken pallet fork I suspect). I'm attached to the watch because it's been all over the world with me and I quite like the aesthetics. I'm just swapping the movement to bring it back to life. After using it for a year a year I'm comfortable investing more money in it rather than buying a replacement. I don't regret buying a cheap seiko as a starter watch. I wanted the option to mod it in the future.

ffs that's what? 4 or 5 /wt/'s in /fa/ now?

kys faggot mods. at least delete the /g/ ones outright instead of moving them here

>>13472245
The worst is that they aren't even bothering deleting or banning tudorfag. So either him and the thread moving mod are in cahoots or they're same pathetic person. Because personally I HAVE been reporting tudorcuck every chance I got.

>>13472248
Why would they ban Basedtudorboy for just posting watches in a watch thread? Why do you want him banned because you don't like the watches he posts?

>>13472238
That's because you're a newfag

>>13472245
I sympathize with the desire to have threads concentrated on one board. Also it's difficult to deal with shitposters who spam on topic things to kill threads and discussion. Janitors don't hawk over specific threads and open every image to see if its a tudor or not. /ck/ had this issue with joey threads a while back and the moral of the story is it's shitty to be a janitor and shitposters always win. The tools you have are reporting TF images and, if you're on a real slow board or think a dedicated janitor you won't understand the issue you can also make a post quoting all of the spam. Briefly explain why it breaks the rules. then report that. That's the best way to help staff who are dealing with dozens of reports at a time understand a situation quickly.

>>13472267
>The tools you have are reporting TF images
That's all I've been doing whenever tudornigger pops up. Lets just fucking end /wt/, it's obvious white man can't be allowed to have fun things anymore.

>>13472200
Hundreds. What don't you like about stereotypical dress watch. Massdrop is having a sale on the SNZH53K1 which you can turn into a seiko FFF with little effort. I think the retro thin divers on leather straps can be very dressy. Here's an example of that mod without a diving bezel. https://www.artificehoroworks.com/shop/gold-fff-snk-enhanced/

Then you'd put it on something like a Brady sailcloth strap

>>13472200
The dress watch is the following:
Small
No complications, except maybe date
A small amount of gold or gold color
Leather strap matching outfit

Which part don't you like? You can be somewhat flexible because no one who gives a shit about following the definition 100% goes outside.

Thanks for banning me for posting technology in technology board while Tudorcuck does what he wants.

>>13472288
If I had to stretch it out into more general rules, they might look like this:

Lugs don't overhang wrist, it is thin
Any complications as long as the dial does not look busy
You can forgo the gold. Some people think certain nomos watches count because they follow the other rules, but I don't. You would be fine with the average nomos so long as you don't have to wear a tux.
You can use various leather and metal straps. No fabric or rubber.

>>13472289
Seriously is there ANY way to contact the staff directly?

>>13472295
No, global rule eight.

>reached image limit in 219 posts
>probably 75% are pictures of Tudor Black Bays

>>13472294
You’re going to have to explain to me how Nomos does not make dress watches even though they follow every single one of the rules you’ve laid out, including offerings in gold and white gold. Or you’re just randomly and arbitrarily dictating what is and isn’t a dress watch which means your list of rules is totally fucking useless, which is what I suspect.

I told you guys that we should move to discord.

>>13472246
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>>13472263
Nice paws.
You little monsters are born this way.

>>13472313
I completely forgot about the lambda. But nomos tends to have large lugs, you would have to check if it is too large for you. The other nomos watches have a more colorful, playful look and it might not fit for a tux event.

But you're an asshat and you won't get anymore help from me.

>>13472327
Then put a Discord link in every OP or thread.

>>13472979
I was banned last time because of "advertising".
But here is your invitation WrUZ7A

>>66525359
>>66525359
>>66525359
>>66525359

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Im looking to buy a formal, kind of minimalistic watch. Brown leather strap, light background, that kind. Already saw some nice stuff from Skagen and Fossil but what are some other alternatives in the same price range?

>>13474032
poorfag facebook normies need to rationalize their decisions like "hurrrr poosay means me and my watch are cool" jesus christ

Can any of yall tell me what watch this is?

https://twitter.com/cj_wentz/status/1009833266130628608

(I am aware I probably can't afford it)

>>13474733
Some Movado maybe?

>>13474765
hmm yeah maybe

https://www.movado.com/us/en/shop-watches/movado-bold-3600470.html

that looks a lot like it

Rate. And also suggest me a non-leather wristband for this.

>>13472185
Perpetually looking at the floor. Like most Tudor owners.

I ordered an Alpinist even though I only wear blue/black clothes. I fucked up, didn't I? I love the look so much tho :(

>>13475908
>alpinist ever

>>13475908
nah, no one cares if your watch dial doesn't exactly match your fit and it's a beautiful watch

>>13474682
Timex Fairfield, Casio MTP dressy stuff
Don't ever think seriously to buy something from "fashion" and "A F F O R D A B L E L U X U R Y" brands, they're just overpriced af
https://imgur.com/a/6CNO8

>>13475908
You really fell for that Alpenis meme. Lmao. That thing is seriously buttugly

>>13478127
post the shitter on your wrist today, fag

What is the correct number of watches to own? I feel like 5 is more than I actually need

>>13478516
>correct number
if you're a collector or enthusiast, you can have as many as you can afford.

going solely by pure practicality tho, i'd say 2-5:
>1-2 casuals
>1-2 dressy
>1 beater for outdoor activities

>>13478565
>1 beater for outdoor activities
what a good one?

>>13478516
1 casual
1 formal
1 beater
1 of whatever you want

>>13480539
This, but I would gladly add a couple of more casuals. Also, a grail to aim for doesn't hurt.

>>13478565
When do you become a collector as opposed to someone with several watches?

>>13480549
Then just make it X whatever you want