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How do I get into this refined, intellectual, young gentlemen style?

>> No.13310623

>>13310609
Step. 1: be refined and intellectual

Dressing like something you're not looks like cosplay, which is why 95% of the faggots on the board look awful despite usually wearing nice clothes

>> No.13310658

>>13310623
I study English literature so I think I can fit in.

>> No.13310663

>>13310658
Prep general thread?

>> No.13310714

>wear wool trousers
>black leather shoes (derbies, boots, chelseas)
>wear wool coat (overcoat best bet probably)
>wear jumpers, turtlenecks in neutral colours (black, creme, grey, burgundy, brown)

Congrats, welcome to the club. I don't know how good it is since I'm 21 and I look too posh for art hoes but too odd for normie hoes.

>> No.13310738

Start sucking duck and reading the handmaids tail at local coffee shops

>> No.13310748

>>13310609
What are these kind of pants called?

>> No.13310765

>>13310748
Jeans.

>> No.13310769

If you want to fancy yourself a young english-style elite you should start by playing sports instead of being pro-ana.
Being a cock-sucking skeleton is not part of it.
(Though the cock-sucking part is actually a big part of it.)

>> No.13310770

>>13310748
>>13310765
Dont forget the period otherwise you wont find them

>> No.13310773

that just looks OK on the pic. irl it looks like a faggit

>> No.13310781

>>13310609
What is the summer equivalent of this style?

>> No.13310789

>>13310609
I'm not a soyboy, I already lift up a bit. Just want to dig this style.

>> No.13310800

>>13310781
>>13310781
this

>> No.13310814

My advice would be to

1. start by wearing mostly neutral colours (black, grey white)
2. get pants that actually fit well (literally otherwise you will look like a tryhard)
3. in fact just make sure everything you're wearing fits well and is not shit quality
4. buy some black leather shoes or boots. I pair of black sneakers vs black docs or something will completely change your aesthetic

The style you posted is pretty much what I wear every day and its quite easy. A big part is just grooming yourself and making sure your clothes fit properly thats all. Don't be a numale who doesnt groom themselves or care for their skin or health and then wears a sweater over a collared shirt with khakis or jeans that dont fit.

people will roast me for saying this but Topman is a good place to shop for this look.

>> No.13310819

>>13310800
black shorts with a black tee and burkinstocks

>> No.13310823
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13310823

>he thinks dressing a like faggot will make him smart

lol just lol

>> No.13310830

>>13310819
would boots still be okay?

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>> No.13310835

>>13310781
>>13310800
black/grey lightweight pants, high rise & cropped
off white or white tee tucked into pants
birks, slip ons, cps

>> No.13310836

>>13310814
oh i forgot to mention that i personally find japanese mags like Popeye to be a great inspo for this style. combining this look you're going for with a comfy-core inspiration can let you dress smart but also casual and practical.
>>13310830
in the summertime?

>> No.13310841
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13310841

posting inspo

>> No.13310842

>>13310765
It looks different.

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13310845

>>13310841

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>>13310845

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>>13310850

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>>13310863

>> No.13310871

>>13310658
lmao

>> No.13310895

>>13310850
He's probably wearing a woman's coat. Could be a flipped pic but that's likely his right hand holding the cigarette.

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>>13310609
Ok I’ll dump

>> No.13310930

>>13310841
Shoe laces too long to be “refined”
>>13310845
>white socks
>refined
>gentleman
>what’s it gonna be
>>13310850
This is nice>>13310863
Again white socks,just don’t >>13310867
Cropped pants are distasteful

>> No.13311136

>>13310609
>2k18
>wearing skinny pants still
What is this, 2010 still?

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>>13310609
how about the supreme gentleman style?

>> No.13311142

>young refined trendy homosexual

>> No.13311154

Ops pic is a female

>> No.13311158

>>13310658
Venti coffee with light cream and sugar please.

>> No.13311203

>>13310930
Cropped pants are absolutely perfect for this style. What makes them look distasteful in the pics posted here is that they are committing one of the two common mistakes: the pants are too cropped so skin is visible (you can show a lot of sock with this style, but showing skin just like bright, or white coloured socks you also mentioned creates a visual break). The second mistake is cuffing the pants. In my opinion a great deal of this style is about looking sharp and clean, while both of the things mentioned give it a sloppy feel that then clashes with the rest of the outfit.

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>>13310781

>> No.13311238

>>13311229
It's not.

>> No.13311244

>>13311238
It is.

>> No.13311249

>>13310609
I would try hand-rolled cigarettes.

Maybe you could also get a pair of pumped up kicks.

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13311518

I'm going to Cambridge hopefully this October (Male)

What should I wear? I love wearing khaki colours

>> No.13311535

>>13311136
>following trends

>> No.13311543

>>13310609
This is the gayest shit i've everf seen
look at those fucking legs

You look like the hottest yaoi in a Harry Potter fanfic, not an intellectual

>> No.13311593

>>13311543
kek
Seriously the only OPs on this board just post derivations of the "Ninja with a diaper" look

>> No.13311601

>>13310609
tweed

>> No.13311644

>>13310609
Be skinny and tall.

>> No.13311651

>>13310930
this was such a pseud response holy fuck lol

>> No.13311659

>>13311518
>I love wearing khaki colours
for a fashion board everybody here is seriously lacking in fashion knowledge

>> No.13311677

>>13311644
how skinny and how tall?

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>>13311659
Earth tones are effay tho

>> No.13312039

How should a math phd student dress?

>> No.13312073

>>13310658
I think big black cock in your asshole-core is more your speed.

>> No.13312082

>>13312073
It's because you're too ugly to fit this style that you have to behave like a cheap thug.

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>>13312039

>> No.13312126

>>13310658
It will probably be years before you realize how embarrassing this reply was.

>> No.13312219

>>13312092
Everyone should dress like Mishima

>> No.13313021

>>13312219
How do you achieve mishima style? Is it the watch or the shirt?

>> No.13313122

>>13310609
I go to a German art school and this whole style is a huge joke to me. How can so many guys copy this look with zero self awareness?

>> No.13313127

>>13310609
>I've been to Italy, i've been to France i speak Fench. I've been to Spain, I've been to South America, I've been to Kenya, i've been to China, I backpacked across europe. I prefer tea to coffee. I've been to Greece, I love Greek food, Im a foodie. I'm always on the lookout for a great little place to get breakfast. Sometimes I go to Barnes and Noble and lose track of time. The black people that i've met say I have a lot of flavor. I love my MacBook but but I also like my MacBook pro because it has the word pro on it, short for prolapse. I drive a ancient volvo that barely starts. The Matrix and the Inception are the first movies in the last ten years that made me really think. Yeah I paint it's no big deal. To bend the spoon you have realize there is no spoon. Think outside the box, coexist. And one more thing if you don't know the difference between you're and your, you're a idiot. Get the fuck off my facebook wall.

t. 90% of """"""""""men"""""""""" who look like this

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13313178

>>13310930
>JFK wasn't refined

>> No.13313191

>>13310714
>too posh for art hoes but too odd for normie hoes
me :(

>> No.13313195

>>13313127
what did one of these guys do to you anon

>> No.13313208

>>13310609
Lol I love dressing in high tops and hypebeast shit and I can't imagine ever fucking dressing in this shit. Im not really knocking it someone else can wear it.

It is just interesting how strongly some things are just not "you" at all.

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>>13310835
>mfw i wear cps, grey trousers and a white t tucked in

>> No.13313241

>>13310658
shit im laffin lad

>> No.13313710

>>13311659
>he doesn't know about dressing tones for the seasons
Sad!

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>>13312092
>>13312219
This

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>>13313733

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>>13313738

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>>13313740

>> No.13313909

>>13310845
This dude is literally carrying a letter around as part of his fit

>> No.13313928

>>13313909
i think he was going to mail it, that's what you do to 'letters'

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>>13313745

>> No.13313934

>>13310658
Studying a bullshit topic at a bullshit university does not make you an intellectual famalam

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>>13313931

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13313954

>>13313946

>> No.13314123

>>13311518
cambridge is extremely boring senpai gl

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>>13310819

>> No.13314599

>>13310658
if your not doing med or law then gtfo
thank you very much

>> No.13314665

>>13314599
>med or law
>no pure mathematics

>> No.13314669

>>13310609
w2c shoes

>> No.13314679

>>13313195
nothing. It's just that anybody in his early 20s who fancies himself an "intellectual" is most likely a pretentious faggot

>> No.13315011

>>13311244
IT IS!

>> No.13315023

>>13310658
>Educated

>> No.13315979

>>13310850
>>13310895
Any ideas on where to find the coat or one that fits like it? Looks well nice

>> No.13315989

>>13314665
pure math masterrace

>> No.13316022

>>13314599
>2 fields that are oversaturated with students
Great advice, my intellectual friend

>> No.13316044

>>13315979
Go on ebay or etsy and look up "herringbone" and go to the men's results.

>> No.13316298

>>13315979
i own a somewhat similar one from Frank and Oak which is all black and called a "deconstructed" coat. Which just means basically it drapes really nicely and isn't all stiff - it gives a really similar look to pic related

>> No.13316326

>>13310658
heh

>> No.13316368

>>13313928

He's stating that the guy HAS to carry a letter in order for the fit to work. Probably doesn't even have to "mail" the letter

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>>13313928
>>13316368
The stamp matches the scarf

>> No.13316687

Besides Grey and Black, what are the best colours for trousers in this core?

>> No.13317441

>>13310850
W2c coat???? I need to know

>> No.13317456
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13317456

does this fit the style?

>> No.13317604

>>13317441
it really depends on your body type and the sizing man. Different coats fit different people differently...

>> No.13317797

>>13310609

I don't think intellectuality is conveyed through fashion, buy by practicality. Depending on where you live, your dress should involve what best suits the environment. So, think "material" more than "attention." Colors should be neutral or earthy, and patterns should be bold and simple. I would say leather really marks a refined-look, but again, it should be within the realm of practicality. Just for example: wear dark, tailored trousers (pleated or not), a solid polo or a button up longsleeve, and matching belt and shoes. Only wear a jacket, hat, shades, etc. if necessary. Otherwise, be minimal, but traditional. You'll look like a professor in no time.

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>>13312039
>>13312092
yes. also pic related (works the same on men).
t. fellow math phd student

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>>13310714
Am I an intellectual then

>> No.13317873

>>13317456
No the cons ruin it

>> No.13317952

>>13317867
would be better if something was a bit more fitted to your frame. baggy pants with a fitted overcoat or baggy coat with tapered pants.

>> No.13317965

>>13310781
>>13310819
>>13310835
Is there anything else? I feel like this would get boring pretty quickly

>> No.13317971

everyone in russia dresses like this

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>>13317952
The angle isn't very good for this i don't think, it understates the broadness of the shoulders.
Excuse the school bathroom selfie

>> No.13317975

>>13317952
Pants are pretty tapered but I can see what you're getting at

>> No.13318287

>>13310842
No, they're definitely cropped skinny jeans.

>> No.13318302

>>13310714
>I'm 21 and I look too posh for art hoes but too odd for normie hoes.
youve summed it up quite well actually

>> No.13318310

>>13313954
mishimas story is one big tfw

>> No.13318410

>>13317867
those are something like chinos, trousers don't stay hemmed like that just by rolling. the whole point of a refined intellectual look is that you actually tailor and fit your clothes. i notice your coat shoulders aren't padded and yet they're almost 4 inches too wide for you so they slump down and make the sleeve length longer.

also wtf is that turtleneck under the golf sweater v-neck. you're not wearing dress shoes either. woe are you my friend

>> No.13318433

>'vitamin D deficiency'-core

>> No.13318487

>>13318410
you've guessed very wrong in what each item is. Pants are thick wool cdg trousers and the coat is pretty padded. V neck is there because it's cool in my opinion

>> No.13318499

>>13317867
u look like a fkn retard lmfao

>> No.13318531

>>13318499
Okay lmao

>> No.13318533

>>13318499
The thing is I'm not trying to look like what op wants

>> No.13318545

>>13318487
so if the pants are thick wool trousers then why are you rolling them up so much to the point where they're so tight they have no slack? there's having no pant break and then there's having rolled up pajama bottoms.

and if your jacket is padded then it's still too damn big. the shoulder seams on a good fitting jacket should end roughly above or half an inch out where your shoulders end and your arms go down

>> No.13318604

>>13318545
Shoulders fit exactly as you've described and it's cuffed because it's the Jap wave and I like it lmao

>> No.13318624

>>13318545
Also the pants have a bunch of slack because they're super wide. They're just higher up because I want the cuffs to be above the shoes significantly.

>> No.13318632

>>13310609
Don't I cringe at my 2010 style.

I had an orient black mako on a maratac "bond strap" and polarized Ray Ban wayfarers

Wore canali shirts with Prada pants or selvedge Levi's and Allen Edmonds everywhere, mixed Hermes and charvet into it.

I looked like absolute shit and I looked stupid.

Now I just wear a Fitbit, a Nike or addidas workout shirt, Uniqlo non selvedge jeans or Uniqlo pants and sneakers look much more nirmie and approcahble

>> No.13318635

>>13318632
stop posting any time

>> No.13318790

>>13310842
those are jeans, lad

>> No.13318838

>>13317867
I like the rough idea of this but i dont like the execution. Wayy too baggy for my taste because i prefer clothes that is flattering to the shape of the body. but if this is what you prefer, you do you.

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>>13318545
>your jacket has to fit exactly how reddit says otherwise it isn't fashion!!!
kys

>> No.13318844

>>13310913
those shoes and portfolio are yuck

>> No.13318845

>>13318632
fatties aren't allowed to post
reported

>> No.13318848

>>13318844
you might think you're correct but actually you're incorrect sorry
would look better in all black though

>> No.13318854

>>13318841
Im not him but i dont think that this has anything to do with reddit. A lot of people believe that oversized = does not fit. Even people who arent into fashion.

>> No.13318860

>>13318841
It's different when they have constructed shoulders, and not actually made to fit oversized. Like it fits correctly in your photo, but not in the first

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>>13318854
a lot of people are fags. even people who aren't into fashion.

>>13318860
then don't bring up arbitrary rules and measurements with 10 digits of accuracy
simply state that it has to look good in order to be fashionable, and that the example you were looking at didn't look good

>> No.13318924

>>13310770
Fantastic post

>> No.13318950

>>13314599
Pleb detected
>>13314665
Based

>> No.13318954 [DELETED] 

>>13310609
ID on this coat?

>> No.13318956

>>13310609
>>13317456
ID on coat?

>> No.13318961

>>13318838
Thank you. I prefer baggy clothing because I'm not that short (5'8) but I'm unbelievably skinny (115 lbs) so it would just look silly to have form fitting garments.

>> No.13319017

>>13318961
I'm sorry to break it to you, but 5'8" is in fact short.

>> No.13319020

>>13318913
>a lot of people are fags. even people who aren't into fashion.
Calm down man. Im not hating, im only pointing out why some might not like that kind of fit.

>> No.13319027

>>13310714
W2c jumper relevant to this style

>> No.13319050

>>13319017
Key word "that"

>> No.13319471

>>13316368
You think I think that's how a fit works? That's retarded. That's what I think HE thinks

>> No.13319473

>>13318841
I dig this

>> No.13319519

Intellectuals don't dress like this. They can't afford it.

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>>13319600

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>>13319604
Wait
Wrong pic

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>>13319605
I’m not sure I understand the genre

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>>13319608
What am I doing

>> No.13319613

>>13317456

youre too fat for it

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>>13319611

>> No.13319696

>>13318913
This isn't intellectual though.

It's like slob English teacher

>> No.13319854

>>13319519
Absolutely this

>> No.13319919

>>13310658
sorry unless your dad is rich you're probably going to end up starbucks, maybe head on over to the "softboy" thread so you can attract all the art hoes you'll be meeting at your new job

>> No.13319922

>>13317456
this is actually pretty nice, I would just change the white socks for black ones

also lose weight

>> No.13319931

>>13318961
>form fitting clothes look silly
I weigh something around that range and I'm like 5'11" (so I'm even skinnier than you), and believe me you look way better with form-fitting clothes than baggy stuff. For years I was buying big clothes trying to hide my frame which just looked cringy as hell, I can't even look at pictures from that period without feeling the embarrassment.
Once I started buying actual skinny people's clothes I started looking way better. Rock the body you have or gym up and change it. There's a lot of cool looks you can do with a slim body, guys might think you look like a fag or something but girls are actually kinda into skinny dudes now. Find a store that does extra small men's or unisex clothing and go nuts. Baggy can look cool in certain looks but for the preppy look we're looking for in this thread you want something that fits you well.

>> No.13319963

>>13319600
Absolutely disgusting,
Try hard intellectual look,
If you look that mank you should not even try fashion

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>>13319931
Hey buddy. If ur replying to a reply not meant for you, it's common courtesy to state that fact.

>> No.13320048

>>13317867
bad

>> No.13320051

>>13310930
stop posting you fucking know-nothing nigger, I don't even like prep and I know white socks are a staple

>> No.13320361

>>13319963
>Try hard intellectual look
Isn’t it what the thread is about?

>> No.13320365

>>13320036
Omg, you’re an autist

>> No.13320467

>>13313745
Th-that's a cute girl desu

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>>13320467
>he's more interested in the girl next to Mishima than Mishima himself

>> No.13321718

>>13313122
>german art school
doesn't matter what school you're at, there will always be tryhards that dress like this, and at every art school countless drones wearing this uniform

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>>13317456
>>13319922
>>13319613
This is essentially Shuji Terayama-core, pretty effay. Any skinnier and the resemblance would be lost.

>> No.13321877
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>>13321466
This. What a fucking faggot, eh ?

>> No.13322073

>>13318841
this fit was bad back then and bad now lol

>> No.13322097

>>13314599
>>13316022
Not at Cambridge. The good colleges only take 5-10 medical students most years. And nobody studies Law at undergrad anyway, I doubt you can even do it at a good college. In the UK you do a gneral undergrad then convert to Law postgrad. There is a law degree but its mostly taken by like...para's and secretaries

>> No.13322100

>>13318632
yeh but now you look like a doughy 40 yr old incel

>> No.13322107

>>13319017
not for a femanon:)
of course 5'8 males should just accept their fate and try not to be shooters

>> No.13322119

>>13319931
>, guys might think you look like a fag or something but girls are actually kinda into skinny dudes now.
attraction is innate, not a fashion

>> No.13322235

>>13318956
uniqlo winter clearance rack

>> No.13322261

>>13316687
navy

old people fuckin' patterns like you see on the english professors blazer

>> No.13322368

>>13310714
If you can't land Art Hoes where you're at, go to the nearby rich town and land them there.

>> No.13322736

>>13310845
>cricket seeater under a suit jacket
>tie pin with that
>oversized scarf in completely non-matching colours and pattern
>white socks
>slippers with an overcoat in what seems to be colder weather

Plus a ton of details he got wrong or that just look shit about his clothes. Dude looks like a clown, he probably just picked out random pieces he though would make him look like a gentleman and combined them in a completely retarded way

>> No.13322910

>>13314479
Those are some gorgeous, beautiful legs

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>>13322736
>plaid scarf doesn't match will an entirely black and white outfit
>burger tier understanding of fashioning informing me that white socks are BAD
>he's wearing loafers????!!!
this board is filled with pseuds, unironically kys and get off /fa/

>> No.13323493

I lile how nobodys pointed out ops pic is a girl

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>>13310658

lol

>> No.13324026

>>13319931
I really don't care that much. I don't want to look preppy it's just this fit happened to coincide with the thread. Also I don't care what girls like I care what I like.