/fa/ - Fashion

>>13250284
Their taste is dead, but they're going full meme and gonna make a ton of money.

>>13250284
“ DEAD “

was definitely not expecting that

>>13250284
"HACK"

>>13250284
kill me please

>>13250284
>literally be a construction worker .
>suck dick and meet kanye west.
>"""design"" album covers.
>have a failed label.
>make edgy """original""" designs that are not a ripoff of 90s raf.
>put your shitty designs on cotton fiber gildan tier t shirts and shirts - price tag $900 per shirt
>give them to every rapper, actor, model, singer you can talk to so they can advertise it.
>get article after article after article wrtitten about your """creativity"""" and """"work ethic"""".
>Make millions from simple designs or if they're not simple then steal them from early 90s fashion or from an old intern or from a random smaller streetwear shop.
>end up working with Nike as a collab. Steal the concept of the concept of the designs from @elisavanjoolen (pic related)
>get hired by LV as the head designer.

>>13250642
I fucking hate this man

>>13250284
This is definitely an historic landmark for both streetwear and traditional fashion, and it is pretty obvious that it is part of a thought-out plan of LV's. I do not like Abloh's work and barely respect him as a fashion designer, but I am curious to see where this will lead

>>13250642
Those sneakers look quite amazing desu. Off White's version truly looks like trash though, as if they tried to replicate and re-adapt the design without understanding what was great about it

>>13250642
god i fucking HATE reading comments on social media

literally WHY do people write such tripe

>>13250648
For reference

>>13250284
l m a o

rip in pieces louie v

not that anyone except mainland gooks and soccer moms bought ur goods anyway

>>13250645
me too I had to greentext his his rise to senpai so everyone else can see how much of a fraud he is
>>13250648
they are a 100 better. the person he stole the design from seem genuine and pretty original, there was another designer who was african who virgil stole other designs from, it was the shirt with the hollowed out planet on it, he stole the design and changed the colors and slapped "Earth" and "No Where" on it then added the offwhite strips
>>13250653
thank you, I meant to put the second pic up here is sauce if anyone needs it https://www.instagram.com/p/BaGqWodllFD/

>>13250662
>>13250648
100x better *

" OVERPRICED BAG "

Niggers ruined fashion.

>>13250284
I'd rather see how he fares before tossing the first stone.

I don't like offwhite (kinda like a few of the nike shoes though) but I'll wait and see what he has in store. LV has been shit for ages though so lets see whether he makes it somewhat more interesting or flings more shit in.

>>13250642
Too be fair, he completed degrees in Civ Eng and Architecture before sucking Kanye's dick.

LV's menswear was awful until present, this can't be anything but an improvement

>>13250770
>LV has been shit for ages though
Have you watched recent runways ?

LV is not limited to tacky accessories and silly collaborations you know. Those are only meant to keep the brand relevant to the pleb and rise funding the actual high fashion collections - and LV womenswear collections are great.

>>13250793
Amazing, I got a degree in law do you think I can make it as an international throatsinger ?

>>13250284
>enabling streetwear hacks into high fashion

>>13250925
Streetwear IS high fashion these days

>>13250642
>>make edgy """original""" designs that are not a ripoff of 90s raf.
You just mean the vintage Raf where he put pictures/text on sweaters/parkas? Or something else? I like your greentext, btw.

Friendly reminder:

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>>13250979
>afroamerican
>WHITE

>>13250974
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>>13250979
Is this real? Quek

>>13250981
>latino
>NIGGA

>>13250982
2009 was really hilarious

>>13250986
Actually this is really interesting. There have been threads on /fa/ and reddit of what designers wear and they're really consistent/autistic or completely unrelated to their collections which they likely view as "art".

Virgil jumping from style-to-style/trends tells us a lot about who he is and him in relation to other proper "designers".

>>13250913
>Amazing, I got a degree in law do you think I can make it as an international throatsinger ?

If you pay attention to my post you'll see that I didn't defend him or his work. Architecture is a field of design and he didn't go from school dropout to construction worker to Kanye dicksucker.

>>13250997
You are somewhat right, in my opinion it's the case of Virgil's background, which is streetwear.
Streetwear always jumps where the current hype is. It takes a trend and exploits or transforms it into consumer friendly version for young people that can afford it.
It's not much more than hyped, more expensive mallcore, that's why all main worldwide companies are interested in it.
Of course, fashion, or high fashion sometimes acts in a similar way. The difference is that high fashion is nearly always more creative or experimental. That's why I think current trend of merging streetwear with fashion houses is terrible (Gucci is basically a hypebeast brand now).

Remember the 00s? When corporate companies like Prada Group bought off independent designers like Helmut Lang? It didn't end well too.

>>13250913
I know but nothing interesting has come out recently imo.

Maybe I haven't been following the right sources though.,

I liked the cruise runway though.

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>>13250642
>>13250653
Don't see the resemblance at all

Has Louis Vuitton ever had any class anyway? Their thing is to cover shit in that pattern of theirs. In my eyes they've always been a tasteless, tacky, gaudy fashion house for rich people that are tasteless, tacky and gaudy. It's a shame too because their origins began long ago. Anyone disagree?

>>13251142
Educate yourself and come back later please

>>13251169
But why?

>>13251194
not him but noone wants to spoonfeed you. just do some basic research first before posting about something you have no idea about

>>13251205
So basicaly you guys can't refute his comment. Got it

>>13250913
>do you think I can make it as an international throatsinger ?

Who's the Kanye of international throatsinging? Just go suck his dick.

>>13251205
I admit that they have some good designs, but i se that the majority of them just scream "look at me, im wearing LV!" I will also admit that i am not so knowledgeable on the topic of Louis Vuitton. Now answer me faggot, why am i wrong?

>>13251169
>>13251205
Sounds like you guys might be wrong here lol

This kind of people is staple of LVs customers

>>13251241
pinnacle of low taste celebrity

>>13251243
in other words: whack

>>13250284
Just some affirmative action style bullshit. Yeah they’re dead

>>13251250

Could be that or it could be that he pitched some great ideas to them. Kanye has talked (raged) about this before, how he and Virgil were turned down by multiple companies, after coming to them with ideas that later became popular trends . This could be a calculated risk LV is taking. I wasn't much of a fan of their clothing so maybe a big and public change in direction is what they need to try out new shit.

>>13251277
>Kanye has talked (raged) about this before, how he and Virgil were turned down by multiple companies, after coming to them with ideas that later became popular trends .
Lmao imagine believing this

>>13250913
>Amazing, I got a degree in law do you think I can make it as an international throatsinger ?

I don't disagree with your point but there are plenty of great and influential fashion designers that have never received a formal education in the field

>>13251366

Do you think they care about making money or winning points and exposure for being progressive? You can not eat or buy shit with exposure. Exposure is not a currency. They went with the person they think is going to make them a profit. Go read up on Tom Ford's career, he shook up the industry and everyone shitted on him until they saw how much money he was raking in. Companies only care about trends and profit.

>>13251386
>Exposure is not a currency

objectively not true in the age of social media

>>13250981
>>13250984
“The first thing I am going to do is define new codes. My muse has always been what people actually wear, and I am really excited to make a luxury version of that.” ~ Virgil Abloh

I can see why.
No one's hyping up LV as they are with Gucci these days.
High-fashion is getting obsessed with the streetwear trend.

>>13251429
Louis Vuitton isn't trying to win popularity points by being "progressive" they hired the person they think is going to make them a profit. Outside of getting users to their website they give next to 0 fucks about instagram and twitter. Those sites are purely for free advertisement and their main customer base are most likely not in the demographic of people who care about social progression or justice. Their customers are wealthy people with enough disposable income to shop and travel while not having to worry about getting a fair hand in life.

>dumbass french faggots hire dumbass american negro

>LV goes full hypebeast

>Every fashion house are after 16 year old boys hypebeast fags

Wasn't women aged around 20's and 30's were their primary demographic? How did this transition happen?

I’d be angrier if he took over Dior now that Kris is gone.

>>13251277
>Kanye has talked (raged) about this before, how he and Virgil were turned down by multiple companies, after coming to them with ideas that later became popular trends.
You mean the ideas that had already been done and that he wanted to pass off as his own? He said the same thing about leather sweatpants, even though Rob Garcia brought his first pair to him (ye). Same goes for the start of the yeezy brand as a whole.
Don't get me wrong, I think LV is making a good publicity move, but both of these men are hacks when it comes to fashion design, and hype can only turn profits for so long.

>>13251243
i don't know, that fuck terrorists shirt is pretty sick

>>13251691

This is not new to fashion at all though. Everyone eats up Hedi's work and he shamelessly copies. That's just the way the industry works. What counts is if you can sell it, deploying it at the proper moment to set or ride trends. Even Rick Owens use to design copy garments.

Virgil Abloohblooh

>>13251250
this

when will they learn they cant into fashion

>>13250284
BOOGA BOOGA

>>13250793
So literally getting past the most entry tier degree in all of STEM? Civil engineers are a fucking joke.

>>13251218
>Who's the Kanye of international throatsinging?
huun huur tu

>>13251218
Well you are on a Mongolian throat singing forum after all.

>>13251243
kopałbym po ryju grubasa pornograficznego

kim jones has been out of ideas for awhile, or else the house has him under creative restraint. collection after collection is this same boring shit. trench coat. suit. bluchers. oh gee, the jacket has the logo printed on it? how exciting.

LV's output to date is redundant with polo RL and RL purple, even RL has more identity than LV. giving abloh the reigns means they are probably losing steam on monogram luggage sales, and they are finally willing to take a gamble on style. kudos to them.

given abloh's sensibility and LV's seeming creative suppression to make their clothes generic and widely palatable though, i think there will be some serious dilution and i anticipate more yawns in the future.

also all these posters who think that high fashion has just started to have an affair with streetwear, one, LV menswear isnt exactly high fashion. two, were you alive for the era of hilfiger? this has been going on for awhile. this includes your favorite designers like raf, who take design inspiration from the street. you think raf cast teenage punks in his early shows because they were more agreeable and professional than pro models? you think the patches he slapped on milsurp jackets was an original stroke of design? theres always been a dialogue between runway and street, especially amongst the working poor.

im not a fan of off-white, but there are a lot of people who are giving knee jerk reactions because "ooga booga me no like nigger"

>>13252067
word

>>13250284
so when can I expect kanye to be the next president

>>13250653
>>13250642
The second pic says sample cos it's actually a sample you retard. The released version doesn't say that on it.

>>13250979
Imagine how Lagerfield felt in that moment.

>>13250913
>Have you watched recent runways ?
>LV is not limited to tacky accessories and silly collaborations you know.
This. Fuck Abloh. I actually like a lot of LV's ready-to-wear. Yeah, they have their new-money status symbol trash, but their seasonal stuff is really good. I hope whoever is CD of their women's stuff stays.

>>13251142
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>>13251228
>being this new to fashion

I'm just entering this argument, but there's a difference between someone being unable to refute you and being unwilling to enable your laziness. Can't you use google or wikipedia to learn a little about the brand's history or view their shows?

I'm not saying they're the best current label, but their stuff is decent, and outside of bags/clutches/etc. they don't use blatant branding. It's just a solid fashion house with a long prestigious lineage.

>>13250300
Lololololol

Damn, this dude just finessed the whole fashion industry. Ultimately bad for fashion, but good for LVMH's bottom line.

>>13252235
>news is about menswear
>posts from womenswear

also just because its a big house that has been around for a hundred years doesnt mean what they do at present is good. the original poster that started that comment chain even said how it was a shame given their origins.

for example dior is a fashion house with a long, storied history but its menswear was a waste of fabric until hedi got aboard. its funny too when dior homme started to blow up with hedi, you could see clueless or desperate resellers mark up their christian dior menswear thrift buys with nonsense about how it was "rare" and "haute couture"

finally your pic isnt really helping your case. "the matrix" ass leather trench coats? leather motorcycle pants? cheetah print luggage purse? the jacket on the left is pretty cool but its still more edgy than classy. why take a pic from their RTW when you could have chosen a pic from their couture--oh waiitttt

>>13252235
>long prestigious lineage
>only started making clothes 20 years ago under marc jacobs direction

i think you should use google and wikipedia yourself

>>13251730
Hedi's work, though rehashed, were rehashes of things Laurent had done in earlier years when he had connections with rockers of the era, so it made sense. Rick used to (used being the key word) make fake garments, he also used to make drapes, which has shown through more in his style?

But both these are besides the point, because that wasn't the point of my post. Even with the work that both Hedi and Rick have done in the past, you don't see them complaining, saying that they were 'ahead of their time'. They just made quality clothes, and the market followed. Hype + cheap designs is a very short term, and rather poor, way for a company to look at business. Sure, with LVMH behind him, Virgil will have access to better quality products from the start, but depending on how well/poorly his designs end up being, he could put LV in a bad places years down the line.

>>13252067
How do you feel about Kim at Dior? I, for one, think it's a terrible fit, especially if, as you pointed out, Kim is creatively dry, rather that being held back.

Not memeing would Hypebeast be able to kill haute couture since every fashion house is going after streetwear?

>>13250284
they were dead for a while, they had one last breathe with the supreme collab.

>>13252834
short answer is no. longer answers include first, haute couture is categorically separated from ready to wear. so one does not threaten the other.

two, theres no such thing (yet) as mens haute couture. small more craft designers like miyashita or geoffrey b small who make their own line have a little share in the market, but its not comparable to womens. seville row? in terms of craftsmanship, sure, but not in terms of artistic freedom and creativity.

three, hypebeasting and streetwear, whatever its negatives, is part of what pushed the menswear market to the new heights (and yes, new lows) we have today. these fashion houses have only recently (1990s, as compared the 1890s of older houses for womens wear) started taking seriously the idea of mens fashion. tim blanks will wax poetic about the days the mens runway was a joke or afterthought in some of his reviews. a good example of the nexus between runway and street is visvim, which is a quintessential hypebeast label, with sneakers being their flagship product, but the sourcing of fabrics, dye, and design source material is deeply researched quite a cut above the standard fare.

right now there is a dialectic between runway and street, as i mentioned in the other post, that has gone on for awhile and will continue to happen. i think part of the menswear market seeking elevated or artistic garments will continue to expand.

>>13252360
i actually wasnt certain if kim was being held back or not. if they allow him as much freedom as they allowed kva, who produced some horrifying collections in his first few years (i will never in my life forget those gold jeans with jewels on them), i think we'll have an opportunity to have more insight on the question. i wasnt moved by his solo line, i thought some of his design conceits were a little on the nose for my own taste, but its been awhile since that time and im genuinely interested in seeing him use new tools he has gained from his time at LV.

>>13252895
>short answer is no

But would it hurt fashion houses brand like Dior, Givenchy, Balenciaga, Saint Laurent and LV since they're catering to 16 year olds at the moment?

The only people who give two fucks about LV are time travelling chavs, overpaid overweight engineery types from bass ackwards middle eastern countries who can divine the speed of a theoretical particle in vacuum while secretly thinking that shit like honor Killing is AWWWWRRRIIIIGHHHT!

Also, ugly middle aged asian women who married up and don't understand that style is not a purchase you opt into.

>>13250793
>Civ Eng and Architecture
That's like getting a liberal arts degree.

>>13250997
when it comes to art you have to be consistent in style and subject.
Like if you see a van gogh painting you know its a van gogh just by the style.

This is the way of a true fartist and how you line your portfolio to present to museums and asshole business people

>>13251169
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>>13252235
I'm back. Did a bit of reading. Marc started their ready to wear fashion in 97 so they haven't been doing this fashion shit for a very long time. I understand the historical significance of the pattern(originally used on trunks to prevent other companies from copying design) but i still think it's gaudy. I went on their website and looked at the shit they're peddling; not bad but kind of boring, i only saw one thing i kinda liked, much of the selection was out of stock tho. Looked at the fashion show; some things i disliked but the rest made me yawn. Boring shit. I do want to make a point here. The Supreme collab occured a year ago but their reputation has been damaged enough to make someone who gives no fucks about them(me) think even less of them. I wonder how bad it will get.

>>13253212
>The Supreme collab occured a year ago but Their reputation has been damaged enough to make someone who gives no fucks about them(me) think even less of them
the thing is that pretty much no one thinks anything o LV's ready to wear collections. Right now they are only known for their tacky accessories, and for a handful or Couture dresses worn by some celebrities. They do not really have an image as an actual fashion house in the eye of the general public, which means that there is pretty much nothing to lose for them. On the other hand they could well earn a brand new image in the eye of an extremely wide audience with Virgil, and become the first luxury house openly targeting hypebeasts. If this movement lasts, it will make them the precursors and leaders of a new and potentially very lucrative niche

Also this kind of strategy has always been at the core of their success. LV accessories became popular because they were stupidly overpriced, looked luxurious and sported very recogniseable branding, making them a social marker for nouveaux riches. But right now, their branding does not appeal to the rich kids who grew up with streetwear culture. If they manage to make it relevant again with Abloh's popularity and designs, this could be a massive cornerstone for their menswear line. A bit like when Hedi revamped Dior Monsieur into Dior Homme : he came with his personal vision, which was very popular at the time, and applied it to a totally irrelevant luxury menswear line and even today, years later, Dior Homme is still a major reference for wealthy people

most people wearing LV are fakes anyway bought from pic rel

>>13253536
very interesting points. unfortunately, at least where i live, LV is 100% associated with middle aged women because of the belief that having a LV handbag = rich and fancy (aka total fucking trash) so it's hard to say precisely what will happen. that being said ONLY hype beasts know who abloh even is

>>13253644
>that being said ONLY hype beasts know who abloh even is
which is pretty much my point

in my opinion, LV wants to be the first luxury label to hit this new market and to hit it hard, which perfectly justifies hiring a designer who is very popular among hypebeasts and pretty much unknown by the rest of the population. As long as the guy know how to appeal to the niche they are trying to enter, that's all they need

>>13253657
>>13253644
That's actually ingenious! they revived a fading star, and doubled market share!

Holy shit, mind blown.

>>13251021
Going by this line of thinking it makes sense that LV would want to cash in on their customer base by appealing to what that demographic wears.

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>>13253101
Answer me this turbonerds: would he be more qualified in his position if he had a master's degree in theoretical physics?

>>13253661
>revived a fading star

you dont seem to be grasping the brands history if you believe it is a "fading star"

>>13253794
Ok, how about "not nearly as relevant as they once were" ???

>>13253101
when did this become a meme?

>>13253801
that doesnt make sense either. when were they relevant?

>>13253816
Early half of the 20th century.

>>13253816
yes that's the point

LV's menswear was never relevant to begin with

which is exactly why Abloh's appointment is interesting

>>13253828
so, when they just made luggage. if they were really to be revived they would reinvent their luggage line.

saying they are being revived through clothes is like saying eames would be revived if someone started to make rugs under his name

>>13253856
Their luggage line was dead in the water when steamships went out and jetliners came in.

I get your point, tho

>>13253856
and yours.

>>13253856
Look, maybe they want to reinvent their clothes line, but they'll never touch their luggage in a million years. They aren't close to being that desperate.
>Pic related

>>13253828
LV is still relevant in the luggage/handbag game because they employ Darren Spaziani, literally one of the most influential and totally unknown (outside of Italy) designers of the 21st century.

He started working for Helmut Lang when Lang was still at the label and moved to Louis Vuitton in 2004 to become head of men's leather goods and accessories. After leaving LV he worked at Balenciaga under Ghesquiere and also at Proenza Schouler, DVF, every other brand that people on this board would probably dismiss as for Asian moms. This sounds like purseforum territory but at each of these brands, he designed at least one kind of handbag that became so influential it literally redefined the purse market. If he didn't actually design the bag every /fa/ poster's 6/10 girlfriend is lusting after, it was designed by someone looking at a Spaziani bag. Proenza Schouler did $90 million in sales in 2016 and literally 50% of that was accessories and handbags, a department totally ruled over and entirely to the last piece consisting of Spaziani designs. No one has ever had or maintained that much influence over a specific market except for maybe Maurizio Altieri and goffninja, the market cap of which has got to be like 1/1000th of luxury handbags.

Today Spaziani works at LV again because Ghesquiere is there. Remember those Koons bags that influenced Kanye to paint Kim K's Birkin? Those were Spaziani. This whole thread talking about how LV isn't relevant and luggage ceased to be a viable product after traveling by ship went out of fashion is just insane and shows how totally divorced from fashion this board actually is. 70% of LV's revenue is bags and accessories and the same goes for almost any other major luxury brand. RTW designer shuffling is literally just window-dressing for name recognition.

>>13253910
Saved. Thank you.

>>13253657
the hypebeasts in australia who purchase offwhite are literally only 2nd gen chinese immigrants and children (12-14 year olds)

>>13253910
FURTHERMORE ... the fact that this thread exists is conclusive evidence that LV is not dead and that they made exactly the correct move in naming Abloh. How important is LV's menswear to their bottom line? It literally COULDN'T matter less. The actual products that Abloh puts out COULDN'T matter less. The actual products that made up their collaboration with Supreme COULDN'T matter less.

What matters is that it gets you fags talking about a label which otherwise couldn't matter less to you ("Who's Ghesquiere?" - everyone on this board) and the noise you generate puts the name Louis Vuitton in major press outlets that are read by the kind of people who ACTUALLY spend money on LV shit (key clue: this is not just Asian moms like you think.) They could have named Grace Wales Bonner to their menswear and she would've turned out an amazing product that synced perfectly with Ghesquiere's direction for the womenswear and would've had the potential to become something like Celine for men but they fucking didn't because none of you actually care about design at all and you wouldn't even be in the LV store to look at that shit in the first place. At the end of the day, you motherfuckers HATE clothing.

>>13253966
>you motherfuckers HATE clothing

as is tradition

>>13253966
>Celine for men

Didn't know I wanted this

>>13254002
On that note is there any information what Phoebe Philo is doing next?

>>13253966
>you motherfuckers HATE clothing
I don't think that's fair. Sure, not everyone (really the majority) on this board are as well versed in fashion as you may be, but that doesn't mean people can't express their opinions on what they know. And most people with at least a little knowledge of high fashion, or history of Virgil, know that Virgil doesn't deserve this position. I think what people actually hate is business (or rather business practices), or maybe the culture of influence, but not clothing.

>>13254002
Well, you in luck, cause Hedi is doing that.

>>13254015
No, but she did say she was looking forward to a break for a while. Whether or not she returns from that is unknown as of now.

>>13254042
>deserve

you say that like LV menswear is some kind of historic, esteemed mantle

>>13254042
My point is that he does deserve this. This thread is evidence of that. The fact that the person who made this thread felt the impulse to make noise about it proves precisely that Abloh DOES deserve it. If Grace had gotten the position there would be a total of 0 posts even tangentially related to that news on this board. This is like the 9th Abloh thread I've seen this week. Because you guys HATE design. But you fucking love slavering over Virgil Abloh. That is like, the number one hobby on this board.

>>13254042
OH SHIT I missed the Celine menswear news completely. Sometimes I wish the industry would move at a slower rate. At any rate I'm excited.
Phoebe has well earned her break imo, her whole stint at Celine was fantastic.

>>13254050
His point is more to do with how it is Abloh's career actually progressed (eating celebrity dicks til he couldn't breath and stealing designs) and not LV brand recognition

>>13251250
This

>>13250974
>around blacks>
never relax

>>13251021
>Helmut Lang
Fuck Theory. Fuck Theory with a pinecone.

>>13253910 Saved as well. And on that note any suggestions for the new /fa/ggots to start schooling themselves?

>>13250974
why they lookin like jojo characters

>>13250284

LV is for Chinese people

>>13250642
>>13250765
>>13251250


white people HATE him! found out how one BLACK man became creative director of Louis Vuitton by using one simple character: “

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>>13254015
Didn't a new CD position in Lanvin open up? I really wish she could join them.

>>13255728
don't insult Jojo characters please, they have good taste

>>13255887
Yeah, Lanvin could be a good fit. But who knows, I can see and would understand her taking a few years off to raise her three children.

The way I see it is LV is riding the trend. Hip hop has surpassed pop music in popularity, black people are "cool", black people love LV, and black people love Virgil. I can see LV trying to go hip-hop because a bunch of hoodrich rappers will buy it up, and all the young white people (who are obsessed with black culture - read: that's like 80% of them) will buy LV because it's in vogue with the black rappers

Fucking Amerimutt,everything they touch turn into shit