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LT: >>13050090


Comfy Rules:
>post thinspo
>make america thin again
>stay hydrated

FAQ:
>http://pastebin.com/raw/k616ZXUw

Low Calorie Food & Drinks List:
>http://pastebin.com/raw/VmmYeLYN

Ask all your thinspo and weight-related questions here.
>current stats: height, weight, gender, age
>highest weight
>goal weight
>preferred method of losing weight
>aesthetic you're going for

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>>13057806

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>> No.13057958

----STOP----
DRINK WATER

>> No.13057959

>>13057953
id eat that asshole

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>>13057958
This.

Chugging 3 bottles of water in 1 minute is the ONLY method that helped me fast

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feel like this is a pic of a poster here

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waiting for this anon to show up again

>> No.13058028

>>13057997
why are you so captivated by this

lmao do you think hes just gonna show up like "hey guys haha i trolled u good right make fun of me"

>> No.13058032

Any other girl(male)s here
Ive found reading the trans hate threads on /pol/ and lolcow farms really help keep me from eating lol

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>> No.13058038

>>13057956
Holy shit those shoulders are perfect
Saved

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>>13058028
I just want more pics of her

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>>13058032
u should really learn to not be bothered by random people on the internet that will never effect your life

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>> No.13058071

>>13058044
Its good thinspo tho lol
Idk ive heard negative motivation is bad in the long run but telling myself im an ugly fat tranny and real women dont trust me is a way better motivator than shit like "yew can do it!"

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What are some /t h i n s p o/ bands?

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>>13057806
Stop posting new threads before the last has hit the bump limit you dumb cunt.

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>>13058043
you having a fap to her?

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>>13058175
maybe, how could i not

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>>13058071
I think wallowing in this kind of motivation might be damaging in the long run. And trust me, I hate the fake upbeat "yew can do it!" too. But wallowing in negativity can also do shit to you, you know?

I find that a nice middle road between positive and negative motivation is spitefully succeeding in order to stick it to everyone who thought you couldn't. Simultaneously raising yourself and lowering others. Then slowly not caring to lower others, just focusing on raising yourself up because you already proved you could.

Also I think pic related is trans girl and I think it's lovely thinspo, if it helps.

What are your stats, anon?

>> No.13058402

>>13058310
>spitefully succeeding in order to stick it to everyone who thought you couldn't
Ah yes, i love that kind of motivation!
Dont exactly have the self confidence for that atm, i recently came off a bad binge so "go to the gym you monster" has been the strategy dujour

Your strategy i tend to adopt when im in the thick of dieting and know for certain im losing. Then when i finally reach my goal... man... i dont give a fuck about anyone. I just feel like ive reached this plateau of pure ecstasy, i was talking about it in the last thread.

Stat:
Mtf
Age 24
HW: 168 lbs
LW: 120 lbs (as of last friday)
CW: ???? Lets hope for the best... water weight up the ass... i dont wanna talk about it lmao
GW: whatever will make my collarbone sit on my shoulders like >>13057956 without also being dead

>> No.13058407

>>13058402
Oh also height: 68 in

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What is the longest you've fasted?

>> No.13058489

>>13057958
thank you for reminding me love
---GO----

>> No.13058782

>>13058402
Are we gonna have tranny stats?

Mine:
Sex: MTF
Age:23
Height: 5'9
HW :195
LW: 138 (10 months ago)
CW: 150, kill me.
GW: I want to hit 125 then hang around 135 after that.

>> No.13058796

cocaine helps lose weight a lot jfc

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>>13058782

>> No.13058817

>>13058185
If the guy isn't larping (which I believe he is), he says he had sex with her on their first date.
She's a thot if true, and you need to up yourself respect and fapping standards

>> No.13058819

>>13058044
This, especially if you’re a tranny

MtF
Age 19
Height 5’1
HW 90
CW 84
GW Not sure, maybe get up to 90?

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>>13058043
>>13058175
>>13058185
I'll admit i fapped to alien girl too

>no thinspo gf

>> No.13058834

>>13058833
Look at all your options.
>>13058819
>>13058782
>>13058402

>> No.13058843

>>13058833
you are literally repulsive.

>> No.13058847

I'm at an average weight for my height right now but really want to lose enough weight to attain the SLP aesthetic
however my ribcage is visibly larger than average, my dads is similar
am i fucked, guys? will i ever be /thinspo/

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>mfw starting to get past my plateau once I added diet coke to my daily intake

wtf

>> No.13058851

>>13058843
not sure if guy or girl, but how so? because I'm lonely and don't have a thinspo qt to pleasure me at will? I wish I did but don't. If you're a girl would you like to help me out. 5 ft 9, 131 lbs, 19 year old thinspo male :)

>> No.13058855

>>13058849
The fuck?
I read that diet coke fucks your weight loss even though there's no sugar. I'm suffering without it though. Should I start drinking it again?

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Since we're getting a lot of clothing inspo posted, what's a good SLPcore summer outfit? I can't wear leather all year round

>> No.13058859

>>13058855
I'm not sure, it seemed to work for Karl Lagerfield

>> No.13058866

w2c 5'3" 95-100 lb gf

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>>13058851
HAHAHAHAAHAHA
AUTISM LEVELS THAT SHOULDN'T BE POSSIBLE

>> No.13058878

>>13058856
stop being a Slimane slave is a good first step

>> No.13058887

>>13058843
Not him, but I also masturbate. I thought it's normal? Is it really repulsive?

>> No.13058891

>>13058887
not that anon, but masturbating to a girl that some other anon posted in here, after hearing that he had sex with her is repulsive to me.
Absolute weak pathetic mindset desu
nothing wrong with masturbation in general though

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Posted this in the last one but I'm posting again since I didn't realize 'thinspo' was a thing.

6'4, around 72kg,24

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>current stats: height, weight, gender, age: 6'1", 70kg, Male, 18
>highest weight: 86kg
>goal weight: 65kg
>preferred method of losing weight: physical labour

the left side of my chest is idented and idk how to fix it

>> No.13058947

>>13058925
the heck you got three nipples

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>>13058856

>> No.13058970

MtF
Age 23
Height 5’11
HW 220ish
CW 180-190
GW 140ish

Honestly being the child of multiple generations of athletes with high muscle mass sucks.

Everyone is surprised when I saw I'm over 160lb though

>> No.13058982

Favorite thinspo pornstars or cam girls? There's way too much thicc porn.

>> No.13058994

>>13058947
middle ones a burn scar

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>>13058982

>> No.13059002

>>13058982
Having a sex drive is anti /thinspo/

>> No.13059006

>>13059002

Sex burns calories.

>> No.13059068

>>13059006
like 50

>> No.13059181

>>13058849
>>13058855
what do they put in that shit??
I've always noticed people being addicted to diet coke
is there a scientific explanation?

>>13059002
no fun allowed

18M, 6'00, HW195, LW120, CW135, GW125
have some nice new jeans with a 26" waist
need to know in about 10 days if i can lose enough weight to wear them well or if my bones make it impossible
hopefully 1750kcal deficit + intermittent exercise will do it
what do you guys think?

>> No.13059207

>>13058849
>>13058855
>>13059181
Caffeine is an appetite suppressant, but really just avoid soda. It's shit for you. Just chemical water. Stains your teeth and is questionable for your general health.

/thinspo4lyfe/ is about doing this without depending on that type of thing.

>> No.13059237

>>13059068

Every bit counts anon.

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>>13058982
>Favorite thinspo pornstars or cam girls? There's way too much thicc porn.
I don't really look at porn anymore. A lot of it is just ridiculous to me, and I guess with age (and thin-ness) I'm not as horny. I'll have a fap once a week or something.

I really just want a companion more than sex.

Problem I have is any girl who would want to date me, would stop wanting to as soon as she realized how inexperienced I am. I can't even french kiss right. They'd think I'm a weirdo.

>> No.13059273

>>13058925
Where do you want to lose more? You're literally perfect.

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https://discord.gg/g9GkPx

>> No.13059280

>>13059267
>Problem I have is any girl who would want to date me, would stop wanting to as soon as she realized how inexperienced I am. I can't even french kiss right. They'd think I'm a weirdo.
yeah if i met some older guy who was super inexperienced i'd pass, you have to be absolutely vile in order to have not had one gf in all your youth

>> No.13059288

>>13059267
>Problem I have is any girl who would want to date me, would stop wanting to as soon as she realized how inexperienced I am.

Wouldn't be the case if you have confidence, and confidence doesn't mean being know-it-all or arrogant, just means that you believe in yourself.

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>>13059280
>you have to be absolutely vile in order to have not had one gf in all your youth
what counts as "your youth"

>> No.13059299

>>13059288
I like to think I'm semi-confident, but I don't really have anything to compare that to. I'm certainly not arrogant. People mostly like me, even if I'm shy. Tough thing to explain though, being a middle-aged person with no experience. I don't even really understand how flirting works and all that.

>>13059280
That's what I'm afraid of. I guess it is what it is. Hopefully there is some thinspo-autist girl out there for me. I don't think I'm ugly, just shy.

>> No.13059303

>>13059294
i'd say after college years if a guy hasn't had a gf yet he's a weirdo. just being honest.

>> No.13059305

>>13059280
absolute brainlet logic
Girlfriends don't fall into your lap.
It usually takes considerable effort on the guys behalf to actually get a girlfriend.
Regardless of how "vile" a guy is, if he doesn't put himself out there, he won't just magically get a girlfriend.

>> No.13059311

>>13059305
where did I say girlfriends do fall onto laps? i don't even know how to respond to you, all I can figure is you replied to the wrong post or can't read english.

>> No.13059313

>>13059303
first year of university for me so its not all over.
It's whatever though, I'm not going to go out of my way to transform my personality, to not be considered a weirdo by a normie.
I'll stay the eccentric designer guy

>> No.13059318

>>13059311
let me be clearer then.
You say a guy must have a "vile" or extremely negative/disgusting personality to not have a girlfriend in his youth.
What I am telling you is, a guy could be a fine/normal person, but never put in the effort of dating/courting a potential girlfriend.
In general, it is the guys who have to attempt to find and impress a potential girlfriend, whereas girls will usually be the ones who have to choose who to get into a relationship with

>> No.13059321

>>13059303
Like an actual girlfriend or just girls hes slept with
asking for a friend

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>>13059313
>eccentric designer guy
Not the anon you replied to, I'm >>13059267 so probably shouldn't be giving advice, but, I will say this: If you stereotype yourself as something you'll risk becoming a caricature of that. Unless you are really handsome, you might just come off like an autist like I did.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd just blend in with the crowd. Trends, common thinking, don't stand out. Just be kind and blend in and you have a better chance with people than being an eccentric designer guy that people don't identify with.

>> No.13059326

>>13059321
actual girlfriend. having that history shows you are able to have a relationship with someone like a normal human.

>> No.13059330

>>13059318
>What I am telling you is, a guy could be a fine/normal person, but never put in the effort of dating/courting a potential girlfriend.

To add a bit more perspective to this: I've dated quiet a bit (almost constantly) but I'm at a stage in life where I'm tired of relationships so it's been two years since my last one and I'm loving it. I have all this time to work on myself and not worry about building a life with another person that often times turns out to be extremely fragile. I'll get back ot there into the dating pool but right now I really don't care about dealing with someone else's shit. Plus I'm becoming more and more choosy about who I want to date appearance wise so there's that barrier too.

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>>13059267
I hope you aren't listening to this roasties giving dating advice. If they want a boyfriend they can literally just go stand outside.

>> No.13059367

>>13059341
You might be right but I think the responses I got had good intentions, despite me not even asking for actual advice.

Honestly brobot at this point it doesn't really matter, I was more just speaking for younger bots. I'm probably going to kill myself in the next few years so just trying to get some things in order, got some work stuff I need to finish up because I want to leave my sister a good sum of money because I worry about her if I was gone.

>> No.13059368

>>13059322
I'm 6'4 and am handsome, but I get what you're saying 100%.
Its a long story, but my self esteem is actually so low that it makes me out narcissistic behaviours. I've rejected every girl that has shown interest in me because I come into every interaction with a general misanthropy. Only one girl I've actually liked, but she moved overseas.
Sorry for rambling, but what I'm trying to say is that, I somehow become more depressed when I feel like I have compromised on world view (even though I'm an idiot)

>> No.13059376

>>13059368
>my self esteem is so low
>am handsome
does not compute

>> No.13059377

>>13059368
>my self esteem is actually so low that it makes me out narcissistic behaviours
that's more self awareness than I had, use that to your advantage and change man.

>> No.13059379

>>13059367
How are you going to do it?

>> No.13059387

>>13059119
Stats?

>> No.13059390

>>13059376
>does not compute
I have learned I am handsome from my experiences in general throughout life. Doesn't mean I'm not extremely self conscious about my appearance

>> No.13059392

>>13058982
gina gerson, alex grey, alice marchesi, amai liu, angel smalls, anjelica, catarina petrov, cayenne klein,. maybe not all of theses are /thinspo/ but theyre pretty thing

>> No.13059393

>>13059376
Not that anon but depression, low self esteem, and other mental disorders do not care about handsomeness or how pretty you are.

>> No.13059395

>>13059379
Handgun

>> No.13059400

i am skinny fat (132lbs, 5'11)
how to reduce fat?
please help :(

>> No.13059405

>>13059387
5'7"
115lbs

>> No.13059407

>>13059376
Bitch. I know I am attractive by how the opposite gender treats me, it doesn't mean that I don't want to cut my face when I look in the mirror though

>> No.13059409

>>13059392
Thanks!
>alex grey
>catarina petrov

Are closer to my type. I was watching Saya Song, Elsa Jean, and Emily Bloom videos mostly.

>> No.13059414

>>13059405
Is your stomach flat? How visible are your hipbones?

>> No.13059419

>>13059414
My stomach is flat. Usually they are quite visible when I stand straight, but when I lie down they are just sticking out a lot

>> No.13059420

>>13059377
I'll try, I mean, I've been seeing a psychiatrist weekly for close to 2 years. But I'm too much of a coward to address my more deep-rooted issues head on, so we mostly talk about inane bullshit and dance around the real issues because I don't allow myself to be honest

>> No.13059428

>>13059419
Do you have any pics handy? Sorry for the bother, I'm 5' 6" so pretty close to my height and looking for my GW. I'm 123 right now.

>> No.13059436

>>13059409
i like those 3 too. heres a few more for you:
janice griffith, jessyka swan, liona levi, maddy rose, mey madness, nessa devil, sensi pearl, tera link,

>> No.13059437

>>13059326
so if I've dated girls but never had a long term girlfriend, how would they know?

>>13059313
>>13059322
agree with anon, do not go out of your way to be eccentric. It's okay to be autistic about your hobbies, including fashion, but do not under any circumstances let it show to people who aren't in the know. most people are frightened by those with a passion for anything, labeling them as weird.

>> No.13059438

>>13059420
What country are you from? That sounds so expensive if you are a Burger like me.

Try and be honest and direct, put some real effort into it so you don't end up like me. I know it is hard. I think with therapy the real breakthrough can only come from you.

>> No.13059440

>>13059428
I could take a picture but I'm sorry, I shouldn't post them as my boyfriend wouldn't be comfortable with that.

Usually they stick out quite nicely, although I got 2kg up during Christmas and they stick out a little less than usually (I am losing weight naturally though so it's not a big problem for me)

I really like your height, along with 5'5" it's the best one for a girl. If you are more on a thick side (as you have wide hips, not huge ass) and you have bigger breasts, then your weight is great. If you are really petite then try to eat only when you are hungry and small portions, and you should lose like 2kg without torturing yourself

>> No.13059443

>>13059400
eat nothing but fruits, vegetables, diet sodas, and semen. worked for me

>> No.13059483

>>13059438
Australia, so I get pretty much all of the cost back through medicare.
But yeah, you're right, I know I need to be honest. It's such an embarrassing thing to say though, especially to a doctor who is woman herself.
Same as you, I lost my libido a while ago, maybe 6 months now, and I haven't been able to bring it up. I can't imagine saying something more emasculating, so I just can't get myself to do it.

I'm good at faking some social ability, so she doesn't know everything to the full extent

>> No.13059490

>>13059440
Thanks. I didn't mean with your face in the pic! But I understand. I'm not really thick or petite, kinda in the middle. I'll go to 120lbs and see how I look, then go from there. It's just so hard to tell / hard to see progress.

>> No.13059507

>>13059436
>mey madness

I've been trying to remember this chicks name for like 6 months. Found her scenes and loved them but quickly forgot her name.

>> No.13059515

>>13059490
If you look down at your stomach in the morning and you can't see it sticking out then it's good, really. It's unhealthy to force yourself to have every bone sticking out

>> No.13059523

>>13059515
I know I just want my hip bones to stick out, it's a bit of an obsession. Then I hope low rise jeans come back in fashion!

>> No.13059526

>>13059507
too bad shes not that active. i only know like 3 or 4 scenes shes in

>> No.13059528

>>13059523
Yeah I get what you mean, it's a really pleasant feeling. Good luck in achieving it uwu I hope you will soon <3

>> No.13059531

>>13059523
hips bones sticking out has always scared me for some reason, not entirely sure why
not a girl though, so its not really an issue

>> No.13059537

>>13059526
reconsider your life choices

>> No.13059548

>tfw getting into ana-chan territory
how does thinspo keep the bad thoughts away

>> No.13059611
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>>13059548

>> No.13059619

>>13059537

Appreciation of sex is not allowed in /thinspo/!

>> No.13059641

>>13059537
i do everyday im alive

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Found out today that my digital scale will "remember" the last weight it recorded and not display a different weight unless the difference is at least 1-2 lbs. Put a 13lb book on it, weighed myself, and was relieved to see that I had lost 0.4 lbs, as opposed to maintaining the past 2 days.

I know 0.4 lbs is barely anything but losing even a tiny bit over maintaining makes me feel way better, especially since I've been working out pretty hard the past two days. Posting this to let some anons know that certain digital scales are like this.

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>>13059706
*weighed myself after I weighed the book.

>> No.13059736

>>13058925
Can you measure your shoulders for me please?

>> No.13059769

>>13058893
Sorry but you're far from thinspo

>> No.13059776

>>13058893
You are of a healthy weight, thinspo seems to be just anorexic/bulimic people

>> No.13059777

>family thinks I'm too thin
>cbmi: 16.4
>gbmi: 14.7

What do

>> No.13059798

>>13059777
cbmi and gbmi?

>> No.13059811

>>13059798
Current and goal BMI.

>> No.13059830

>>13059706
Get a new scale for sure. I weigh myself every day and barely pay attention to the number but record it (well, the scale records it), then I take an average every Sunday. I vary by 2lbs throughout the week so an average is a must.

>>13059777
Post a picture. Just depends on your bodytype.

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>>13059811
>14.7
I don't understand you, 16.4 is already too low

>> No.13059857

>>13059840
I'm 16.6 and not too bad

>> No.13059859

>>13059857
It's certainly not too bad but it's already too low, I feel like the best is 17-19

>> No.13059860

>>13059859
Depends on your bodytype. I look like a heffer at 19, but I'm petite.

>> No.13059862

>>13059860
I'm petite and I get fat literally only on face and belly (I'm a girl) so I have to say in 16-18 to be perfectly thin and in 19-20 to be just thin

>> No.13059866

what is the best pill for losing weight

>> No.13059870

>>13059866
With some kind of insect

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my body type is the same as pic related. like my hips are that wide, but my rib cage is a bit bigger because im slightly more hourglass. should i go thinspo or just stay at average weight? go slightly under?? what do

>> No.13059880

>>13059872
Go for normal BMI. Thinspo works only for petite girls

>> No.13059881

>>13059872
my hips might be wider because it seems like that girl is pretty small. but the ratio between waist and hip is the same.

>> No.13059889

>>13059880
how do you define petite?

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>>13059889
Look at upper left

>> No.13059973

>>13059862
Mine goes to my arms. So, I have to be like super thin because fat arms are disgusting.

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>mfw /fit/ has it's own /eatingdisordergeneral/ now
>>>/fit/44287163

At least we are honest lasses.

>> No.13059985

>>13059983
kek yeah I've seen those. some people are legit fasting but about half of them are on crash diets and have binge disorders.

>> No.13059993

>>13059898
how bad did /fit/ sperg when you posted that?

>> No.13060002

>>13059872
you a latina?

>> No.13060004

>>13059993
I didn't, but I probably should at some point

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still can't stop eating

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>look at the mirror
>”hmmm my proportions are incredible how am i not a model”
>tale fit pic with a go pro
>hips look wide and legs short
thats why i haveinsecurity problems near cameras

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>>13060048
I know that cameras are more likely to distort your face than mirrors - pic related - but I'm not sure about body.
On the plus side, if that's your Dean Blunt hoodie I'm fuckin jealous of you friend.

>> No.13060075

>>13060048
>>13060061
Yeah for the least distortion back up and zoom in. That's why you see photographers with those big long lenses when they shoot models, like 200mm's and shit.

>> No.13060216

>>13060075
thanks uncle terry

>> No.13060254

reminder that being hungry is a spook

>> No.13060259

>>13060254
how?

>> No.13060302

how do I get >>13059898 gf?
>am ottermode
>dress and look like normie chad

Is looking like a twink really the norm to attract smol qt thin grills?

>> No.13060306

>>13060302
dont dress and look like normie chad

>> No.13060379

>>13060302
I am the person you quoted. I like shorter boys, I especially love when they wear shirt, flannel ones. Ottermode together with thinspo are my fav body types. Also when it comes to personality I like traditional men but not in a poltier way.

>>13060306
I'm not that much fond of total normies and I like men that are interested in fashion

>> No.13060389

>>13060302
don't listen to >>13060306, dress like a normie, just be normal. go ottermode.

>> No.13060468

coffee or sugar free energy drinks?

>> No.13060485

>>13060468
water

>> No.13060592

>>13060002
no im white

>> No.13060601

>>13059983
fasting isn't an eating disorder though

theres many benefits and actually healthy for your body to fast if you do it correctly

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God please help me /thinspo/... I just can't stop binging. Today was one of the few days in the last months I ate kinda normal but still kinda shit. (80 g pasta with tomato sauce, an apple, 2 slices of bread with cheese on it, a small cup of skyr and a tomato mozzarella salad). I went up from 53kg and nearly reaching my goal to 57kg and not even fitting into my fav pants. It all started when my ex left me and now I can't stop thinking about how nothing really matters anymore and how food is the only thing which gives me happiness spikes during the day. But as I keep getting fatter, I feel how it affects my self-esteem with every bit I gain. Doesn't help that my best friend buys me chips, donuts and fries and alll kind of junk food everytime she visits (which is like every third day) because she thinks it makes me happy and I just can't resist.
Sorry for the blogpost just needed to get it off my chest... have this pic as an apology

>> No.13060654

I used to be bulimic all throughout highschool. After a few events I decided fuckall I want to become a toothpick and now I've lost 5 lbs but purged twice. I don't want that hellish habit again. How do I break the cycle and still lose weight ugh. How do you not binge after fasting?

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To everyone coming here saying how much they binged how little self control they have

Subconsciously don't actually care about losing weight. You only think you care. NOBODY gets taken over my lack of self control when trying to achieve something they actually want to achieve.

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>retarded guys in here not adopting the superior plant based/fasting diet
>kekkk
>still eating junk food and complaining how they cant stop binging
>too funny
>when will they learn

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>not putting only the best nutrients in your body
>asking how to lower body fat, but then says going plant based is a meme
>kekkk

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>still won't go plant based because this thread is full of pussies that have no self worth and no drive to actually commit to a diet
>kekkk
>so sad and pathetic

>> No.13060715

>>13060693
>>13060700
>>13060704
you're getting paid to do this, aren't you?

>> No.13060719

>>13060618
this worked for me:
- stop eating all sugar cold-turkey; it screws with your head and is wasted calories
- do a 24 hr fast or two (not consecutively) to help regain your self control
- train yourself to sit and do things without having to constantly eat

>> No.13060725

>>13060715
lmao no I'm not. I just fully support a plant base diet. I think its funny to see you all struggling and the simple answer is plant based diet which I ve said before and y'all brush it off as a meme when it is the answer and will cure the problems you have with your current diets.

>> No.13060748

>>13060725
Its just all your posts seem really formulaic.
Also you can get a lot of the best nutrients with a meat-based diet. In fact you get even more. Fish are the best source of EPA and DHA. All animal products (but especially liver) provide a kind of iron which is not available in any plant. And then of course there's vitamin B12, which if you really want to you can get by eating an entire $15 container of nutritional yeast, or y'know, you could just have a can of sardines ;)

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I'm so fuckin' cranky and hungry, such a shit day at the office
Someone pls supply me with pictures of pretty Russian models so I don't eat tonite, I'll lov you forever

>> No.13060783

>>13060748
>still eating meat in 2018
>fucking kekkkkk
And I guess you could say they are formulaic, just know plant based is the superior diet for whether you want to be thinspo, or more ripped like otter mode. Plant based is the way to go. Meat will only slow and weigh you down. Theres no need for it.

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>>13060783
did
did you even read my post
i was telling you that your oh so superior plant based diet is missing or at the very least severely lacking 4 distinct vital nutrients.
are you okay anon

>> No.13060843

>>13060767
Same. I hate working at an office. Place is like a prison. Sorry don’t have any Russian models but when I get home in a few hours I will look for some

>> No.13060844

Can you be thin but still healthy?

I don't want to cut 5 years of my life or harm my body just so I can look "aesthetic"

I'm a male if it helps

>> No.13060857

>>13060797
>Not knowing you can get all of that through a plant based diet
>kekkk
>get omega 3 fatty acids form chia seeds, flaxseeds, walnuts, and hempseeds
>you can find iron in leafy green vegetables, whole grains, lentils, peas, and dried fruits
>b12 vitamin supplements :)

>> No.13060860

>>13060844
Yes, go plant based :)

>> No.13060880

>>13060844
curious about this too.
i don't smoke or do any drugs and i just barely drink
my goal weight is about 3 lbs underweight.
I eat a really healthy diet, i get all my vitamins and plenty of protein.
I could deal with a higher risk of heart problems (just like my dear friends who smoke
bogies and drink like fish lol), but I've heard being underweight can cause cognitive impairment, which would suck because I like having a brain.

>> No.13060894

>>13060857
are you like a really young kid or something? or just a dipshit?
Even flaxseed, which has the highest concentration of omega 3s of any plant product, doesn't contain EPA and DHA, which are essential protectors against heart disease and also for skin health.
Heme iron is exclusively found in animal products and is 10-fold more bioavailable to humans than non-heme iron, the form found in plant products. Even a vegan who eats 20 lbs of spinach every day will still be somewhat iron deficient.
I suppose you're right about the B12 vitamins, so you got me there.

>> No.13060896

>>13058479
8 days
Gonna go for 14 in about a month maybe

>> No.13060918

>>13059368
I know that feel, and although I'm younger than you, I'm going through the exact same thing. I resent it when people don't show me 100% admiration, and I anticipate rejection all the time. Secretly I just want to invite people to live with me in my personal hell, but understandably no-one wants to be a bitter cunt like me.

>> No.13060919

>>13060894
>being this retarded

>> No.13060925

>>13060894
>stay excusing for your shit inferior diet

>> No.13060949

>>13059898
What's an example of an underweight girl who isn't petite?

>> No.13060970

So I've reached the point where I'm a good weight (5'8 147 lbs.) But my stomach is still big, I guess i need better core muscles? What exercises would you guys recommend to get a flat stomach?

>> No.13060980

>>13060970
Go plant based :)

>>13060700

>> No.13060985

>>13060693
>>13060700
>>13060704
Go and shitpost on /fit/

>> No.13060990

>>13060980
He's literally just full be it food or air to push his stomach out. No difference. Fuck off.

>> No.13061021

>>13060990
>not knowing what bloating is and the foods that cause it
>kekkkk
>when will these thinspo retards get a brain
>probably never because they don't eat then binge on pizza and chips that provide no nutritional vale
>kekkk

>> No.13061068

>>13058925
disgusting thick thighs

pls work out and build up your chest

you have the body of a skinny neet

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>>13060767
>>13060843
Anon here you go as promised, although I have no idea if these are actually Russian.

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>>13061101

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>>13061102

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>>13061106

>> No.13061120

>>13061101
>>13061102
>>13061106
>>13061109
perfeecct

>>13061106
this aesthetic i want so bad

ty based anon.

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>>13061120
your welcome <3

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>>13061109

>> No.13061181

>>13061140
I have a big upper torso like this guy. I don't really like the look, I wish I was more even. Even at a BMI of 20 I looked rail thin.

Only upside is you get that classic V shape when you take off your shirt, so if the least bit fit you look like 50% more than you actually are.

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How am I looking?

>> No.13061260

>>13061233
fantastic arm! but no more cutting okay? I love you.

>> No.13061264

>>13061140
I am trying really, really hard to see how this pic isn't photoshop

I am so very thankful I am not built like this

>> No.13061294

>>13061140
Gimme those CCP derbies.

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if you're struggling to lose face fat buy one of these and regularly run it across your problem area. I can now run my finger from my chin to the end of my jaw and it's tight as fuck

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>>13061524
what is it?

>> No.13061614

>>13061586
On ebay search "gua sha scraping" and it should come up. Also make sure to moisturize beforehand or else it will irritate your skin.

>> No.13061686

>>13060949
Huge boney hips

>> No.13061714

>>13060468
Health wise, coffee is probably better, unless you douse it in sugar and dairy.

Water is always the best.

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>>13060618
Spite your ex by getting more in shape, duh. You can't let him see you destroy yourself over him. Prove to him and yourself that you can improve and be happy without him.

Tell your best friend that you are on a mission to make yourself look so good that his jaw drops if he ever sees you again.

>> No.13061720

>>13060654
Maybe try shorter fasts than what you're doing. 16-8 is a nice, chill schedule to get onto. There are also good foods to pick after fasting, like light veggies and fruits. I'm always fond of apples or watermelons post-fast.

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>>13060880
I'm gonna say that the cognitive impairment is less about being underweight by 3 lbs and more about not getting their nutritional needs met, but to a certain extent you are going to have to see what works for you, maybe occasionally talk to your doc or a nutritionist.

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>> No.13061744

tfw gained 5 lbs

>> No.13061755

will (((0 Calorie))) diet coke keep me thin

>> No.13061756

been eating huge deficit of about 1000 calories a day for over a week now and don't have fuck all to show for it. what the fuck. brick wall in my weight loss goal.

anyone else experience this?

>> No.13061765

>>13060677
well said

>> No.13061767

ate a full bag of chips and feel no absolute remorse. am i turning to a fatty?

>> No.13061769

>>13061233
not good, eat a couple spoonfuls of yogurt. or some frosted mini wheats

>> No.13061797

Why can't I do it /thinspo/? I already lost 15kg but now I stopped and I don't know why. My self control went to shit and I haven't lost anything since. It's been probably two months and I'm still at 60kg. I want to eat 800 cal every day like before but I just can't. I end up binging or drinking in the evening and then I fast the next day to make up for it but it doesn't work. Fuck I'm worthless. Why is my brain fucking me over like this? I never had strong will or self control, but at least I managed to lose those 15kg in like two-three months, it was going good. What happened?

>> No.13061799

>>13061797
start doing cocaine And thank me later

>> No.13061808

>>13061797
i lost 25kg dude and i gained 3kg december-present

i guess we have to get in the right mentality again, like >>13060677 said, we think we want to be skinnier but we felt comfortable after loosing too much. it's time to set new goals i guess?

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>>13057997
>>13058043
>>13058185
>>13058833
>>13058891
Here's another
I didn't realize it before but the idea that other guys are fapping to pics of my girl is amazing and kind of turns me on like since I'm more alpha than them

>> No.13061813

>>13061811
cuck

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>> No.13061827

>>13060677
This is 100% true. The death of progress comes when you accept your mediocrity, deep down. I'm guilty of this.

>> No.13061834

What would really help me would be if my parents didn't buy and cook so much fucking food all the time. I hope when I move out in few months I'll lose those final 5 kgs.

>> No.13061839

>>13061834
fucking guilty of binging on whatevers on the cupboard, thats why i never buy stuff ill never eat

>> No.13061852

>>13061811
kukkkkk

>> No.13061857

>>13061755
Also curious about this. coffee isn't cutting it for me anymore and i'm thinking replacing meals with Diet Coke is the way to go

>> No.13061859

>>13061808
I still feel disgustingly fat though and want to be skinnier though. I don't think I don't want to lose more weight subconsciously. But maybe you're right. My goal is 55kg for now, I'll try to maybe up the calories from 800 a day to 1000, because I feel so weak and tired and in a bad mood all the time, and that's probably not helping with motivation. I'll fast today since I ate 2000 calories yesterday.
I hope we can make it anon.

>> No.13061887

>>13061857
>>13061755
absolute no. that thing's got sweetners in disguise that also cause insulin spikes and desire for more and more sugary things. maybe once a week it is okay but don't drink that shit on a regular basis

>>13061859
we will def. achieve it, love u

>> No.13061893

>>13061887
Thanks man. It's nice and motivating to have some support when the few people IRL that actually noticed I lost weight are telling me to stop.

>> No.13061945

green tea helps you get thin

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>>13061811
>unironically a cuck
post a single photo with you and her together

>> No.13061951

>>13058071
dont turn yourself into a statistic, anon

>> No.13061952

>>13061140
this is how my torso is built and i want to kms

>> No.13061986
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>>13061952
Try being a female with a large ribcage. I mean sure it can accentuate your waist but when you have wide hips + a short torso the effect is kind of lost...

>> No.13061989

>>13061986
It can also make your boobs look bigger though. My gf has small as fuck ribcage and complains about it all the time.

>> No.13061996

>>13061989
reasonably sized boobs on small girls are quite a rarity, you're lucky anon.

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So just how horrible is refined sugar for your skin, and how much does it take to make an impact?

I've heard it's one of the main causes of wrinkles.

Like, can I still have a pastry/cookie with my morning coffee or should I just cut it out entirely?

>> No.13062115

>>13062002
Dunno I am fine eating lots of sugar. I get wrinkles when I turn 30? So be it, I would rather enjoy my sweets than worry too much

>> No.13062158

eating about 1000kcal is so easy when you cook your own food and it's also plant based. I'm kinda worried that I don't eat enough...

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fasting is great but i'm autistic about medicaments invalidating fasting. do they count or am i being an ass?

>> No.13062228

>>13062225
Do they contain calories? If not, then no.
The only way I can see them interfering is if they're sweetened with sugar.

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Got about 9lbs left to lose, but I think ill go for 15

>> No.13062240

>>13062233
probably be dead if you lose another 15 pounds. what is the end game for you anyway?

>> No.13062242

>>13061722
is this taylor?

>> No.13062245

>>13062242
that looks like a Korean girl

>> No.13062246

rip boobs

>> No.13062247

>>13062245
oh, okay. I donno looked like her for a second. :/

>> No.13062263

>>13062240
I'm 104 rn, I wanna be 95, but ill probably prefer 89. If I dont like 89, then 60

>> No.13062266

>>13062263
so you plan to kill yourself?
not a good end goal desu.
What makes you want to be so skinny?

>> No.13062267

>>13062233
How are your tits so big when you're borderline skeleton?

>> No.13062268

>>13062263
bait

>> No.13062278

>>13062268
I genuinely am severely bulimic desu

>> No.13062280

>>13062267
I used to lift desu

>> No.13062423
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>>13062002
If you wanna avoid wrinkles just wear sunblock on your face and drink lots of water. I have a face cream that is SPF 20. My mother is in her mid 50s and has no wrinkles because of this.

Diet plays a part too but I feel like genetics and sun exposure are bigger factors.

>> No.13062425

>>13062423
>My mother is in her mid 50s and has no wrinkles because of this.
Want to get married?

>> No.13062436

>>13062425
my mom has no wrinkles at 47. it's fairly common among people who don't get fat as they age.

>> No.13062479

>>13062436
Not even crows feet or whatever they are called? I mean she must be aging...

>> No.13062516

>>13062479
she was mistaken as being the same age as my sister the other day. this was at a rink full of figure skaters where 25 is the end of your career.

>> No.13062523

>>13062516
How old is your sister?

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On /fit/ I keep seeing salt getting shilled. What does /thinspo/ think about salt intake? I know it adds water weight, but can it help us in any way in higher quantities?

>> No.13062594

>>13061948
we never took a pic together we've only been on one date. also even if she was to take a pic of me id tell her to stop or delete it or never post it
>i hate seeing myself in pics
>face dysmorphia
>body dysmorphia
>wtf is wrong with me

>> No.13062608

>>13062523
17

>> No.13062615

>>13062550
Doesnt salt intake only add water weight if you have more than you need?

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>>13062550
You need a certain quantity of salt for normal body functions, it's actually really important to get a decent enough intake. Don't go having a huge amount, obviously, but avoiding all salt is a way worse idea.

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>>13062608
Your 47 year old mother does not look like a 17 year old. Whoever mistook her was either a potato or being too kind as a joke.

>> No.13062696

>>13062615
Yeah it does, but that's not fat. I mean if it helped us shed weight more somehow I'd be all for weighing in a bit more just because of some water.

>>13062617
That's what I thought. Damn.

>> No.13062723

>>13062550
also not eating anything salty and just drinking water is a great way to feel dizzy
water pushes salts out of your body and you need to replace them or you feel lightheaded

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>>13062608

>> No.13062746

>>13062723
I normally eat almonds without salt, but tried buying them salted. I noticed today that I was way thirstier from that, which might help me drink more water - which in turn might fill me up? Maybe added benefit there?

>> No.13062753

Female
Age 24
HW: 110 lbs
LW: 88 lbs
CW: 99lbs

I feel so "full" though I can't go down to 88lbs again.

>> No.13062761

>>13062423
It isnt just wearing sunblock. Avoid sun at all cost, use hats, umbrellas and sun glasses.

>> No.13062766

>>13062753
What do you mean "full"? Isn't full feeling make it easier to get down to your gw? What's your height?

>> No.13062775

>>13062766
I mean, my arms and legs feel chubby. I'm 1.58 mts.

>> No.13062786

>>13062775
Why can't you go to 88lbs again? You had health problems at that lower weight?

>> No.13062820

>>13062436
pic of your mom?

>> No.13062839

>>13058310
She has a nice body but i can't unsee the size of those hands

>> No.13062852

>>13062761
And miss out on that sweet, sweet vitamin D? Do you WANT to be majorly depressed? Part of managing depression is regular exercise and being outside, no use shutting yourself away and being miserable to prolong crow's feet an extra few years.

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>>13062436
>>13062820
She isn't going to post pictures of her mom, but here is Jennifer Aniston at age 47. I tried to think of an actress I thought aged really well around that age. I realize she isn't everyones ideal, but she for sure has aged really well. This is what she looks like now. She looks great for 47

>> No.13062861

>>13062853
Aniston does not look 17 though

I dont understand why posting a pic of her mom is a problem though?

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>>13062853
>>13062861
I got a phone call. This was my next post.

Here is a 17 year old.

There is no fucking way a 47 year old looks like a 17 year old, even in best case scenario.

She can't post a picture of her mom because it's the internet, but also because her mom looks like she's 47.

>> No.13062873

>>13062866
why cant you post a simple pic on the internet? theres 7 billion people on this planet. It doesnt matter if a pic cropped in on her face is on the internet or not. No one will care, especially your mom if she looks fucking 17 at age 47

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>>13062861
>>13062866
Brooke Shields. Pic is 47. Interview is 16: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6ge0xcs_jc

Still very pretty for her age, but, no teenager that's for sure.

Fact is women age like white wine.

>> No.13062878

>>13062873
meant to direct this towards this anon >>13062853
who is defending the girl with the 47 year old 17 year old mom

>> No.13062881

>>13062874
small percentage of some women do

others are fucking done after age 30

>> No.13062896

>>13062881
Yeah if they take care of themselves really well, and get some lucky jeans, they can make it to 30 looking okay. It's a different kind of sexy though. After 30 their job is being a good mom and running the household, I think mommies are sexy in a different way. I know that's really bad to say now with all this "women can do anything a man can do" stuff now, but, I don't think of taking care of the house and kids as being something that should be taken lightly in a family. It's just as important as being provided for.

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>>13060306
>>13060379
>>13060389
a late thank you for the replies

I don't have the confidence to pull off non-normie styles and it's always way too hot where I live.
I dress, look and have the same build (a bit thinner and prob shorter) as pic related. How fucked am I on my quest for qt shy traditional sticc gf?

To keep on topic with the thread:
>What was your last cheat meal?
Had triple burger with fries yesterday, feels good man. Now drinking water like a madman to cleanse the body.

>> No.13062907

>>13062901
You are not that fucked. Traditional girls know better than to give up on male just because he dresses like a normie

>> No.13062919

>>13057806
that dude on the right is the sex

>> No.13062922

>>13062901
I'd say your best chances are normie with a lot of money.

>What was your last cheat meal?
I had a burrito.

>> No.13062951

>>13062278
kys

>> No.13062997

>>13062951
not him but whats your problem? dude is probably not a fan of it either.

>> No.13063006

>>13062919
looks like a toolbag desu

>> No.13063021

>>13063006
toolbag... heh

>> No.13063041

Where the fuck can I get size 26 men's jeans that won't cost me a small fortune? I have to wear Woman's jeans at the moment and there is no room for the family jewels

>> No.13063087

i just ate 500 calories worth of shrimp tacos lol

>> No.13063090

>>13063041
Define fortune. U shouldnt b spending under 100usd on jeans anyway and p much everything offers mens 26 at that price

>> No.13063093

>>13063087
So 3 tacos? Wow?

>> No.13063111

>>13058925
You look like you would take well to cycling.

>> No.13063127

>>13063090
Not that anon, but it can be a challenge to find sizes under mens 29 in Burgerland.

>> No.13063131

>>13061233
eat something skelly

>> No.13063132

>>13063093
i usually don't eat more than 300 everyday so it was kind of a lot to me.

>> No.13063139

>>13063132
holy fuck

>> No.13063187

>>13063139
welcome to /thinspo/, first day?

>> No.13063206

>>13063090
Where I live it's near impossible to buy anything under 28. The only options I've found is shit like SLP

>> No.13063321

>>13062852
I haven't been outside in the sun for years and I'm completely okay.

>> No.13063375

>>13058479
3 hours, i even get up at night to eat

>> No.13063385

>>13063375
jesus

>> No.13063420

>>13063127
>>13063206
Nudie
N&F
APC
April77

have u even fucking looked.

>> No.13063453

>>13063420
I didn't say impossible, I said a challenge. I have to order them a lot because local stores just don't have my size in stock.

>> No.13063799

>>13063041
Nudie is having a rn sale so hurry.

>> No.13063830

>>13063573
>>13063573
>>13063573