/fa/ - Fashion

From the oversaturation of degeneracy that encourages little girls to be thots and childless cat ladies. Chokers were worn by prostitutes, and this "glamour" lead to them being adopted by braindead edgy art hoes to say fuck you dad, and because they pioneered such a raw form of thottery, it was soon picked up by the mainstream as just another way of turning girls into fish smelling future cat ladies with a thousand dick stare, hence they became associated with outspoken whinging feminists, Kardashian thots and urban outfitters hoes. The parallel with chokers and actual BDSM collars just lends to their semiotics of thottery.


Wear one of these and expect to be patrolled.

>>13044451
most girls who dress in alternative influenced ways tend to lean liberal/ sjw/ tumblr (is tumblr even still considered a thing?), etc. And those leanings are stereotyped as being sex positive, pro-choice, crazy art school types, girls that want to be strippers to show that being a sex worker is empowering, etc. Kind of like how they say girls with hair dyed unnatural colors are crazy feminists too.

>>13044451
>that
>velvet
Honestly this triggers me even worse than you starting yet another choker thread

>>13044451
A lot of punk/goth accessories were from sex shops.

I don't mind the meme since I always loved chokers, meme will pass and die out, but chokers will stay

>>13044451
I wish I could wear a choker but I don't want the assumptions

>>13044467
Dying your hair doesn't mean you're a crazy feminist bitch though. It also doesn't mean you're a slut it just means you dye your hair lol

Why should girls like>>13044513 fearing wearing a simple accessory just because of past connotations.

>>13044491
I see but doesn't mean being goth means you were/are BDSM per se though. Many goths just like they look.
>>13044472
Another choker thread? This is the only one I have ever made. Amazon said it was velvet. I didn't buy it. You're right, it's probably dome type of cheap fabric though.

>>13044451
Chokers originally came from the fetish of BDSM. Today most grills are fucking plebs who aren't aware of this.

>>13044461
Chokers were worn way before prostitution was a "thing"

(You)

>>13044592
>the choker was invented before mankind became anatomically modern

>>13044513
I was scared too, but then I thought that boys who are shallow enough to think that are not worth my attention

>>13044587
Chokers were there way before BDSM was s thing

>>13044598
Do you consider ancient times modern?

>>13044524
>Dying your hair doesn't mean you're a crazy feminist bitch though.
Uh, yeah it does, and increasingly so.

>Why should girls like 13044513 fearing wearing a simple accessory just because of past connotations.
Because clothes send messages and some things simply become part of a uniform. "Why shouldn't anyone wear cop clothes because they like the look lol"

Dress like a harpy, people will expect you to be a harpy; dress like a whore and they'll assume you did it because you're a whore. The actual article of dress doesn't matter, like if wearing a particular kind of polka dot scarf became a sign of whorisness, polka dot scares would be ruined for everybody now. That's just life, and what's more, men are much more limited by this than women; tons of shit that used to be perfectly fine for men to wear now signals "gay", so you just can't use it unless you want people to think you're a flaming homo. Maybe somebody likes some article enough that he wears it anyway, but in that case he can hardly complain when those around him assume he's a giant gaylord; you're retarded if you get buttmad about the completely predictable consequences of a fully optional choice.

>>13044614
So when I died hair black it magically turn me into a feminist when I'm conservative?

>>13044605
"Anatomically modern" is an established biological term, ignoramus.

>Anatomically modern humans (Homo sapiens) evolved from archaic humans in the Middle Paleolithic, at roughly 315,000 years ago. The emergence of anatomically modern humans marks the dawn of the species Homo sapiens, i.e. the species to which all humans alive today belong.

Point being, prostitution is as old as our species minimum, probably older. If chokers predate whores they have to have been invented by our chimplike ancestors.

>>13044617
When people say "dyed hair" in the context of feminazis, they mean neon a.k.a. problem hair. Bright, unnatural hair colors -- which the anon you replied to specified explicitly,
>Kind of like how they say girls with hair dyed unnatural colors are crazy feminists too.

On the other hand, if you dye your hair black and start wearing Tim Burton clothes you can hardly blame anyone for thinking you're a gothaboo, can you?

>>13044529
>Another choker thread? This is the only one I have ever made.
Choker threads have been a meme on this board for ages. Black belt in sucking dick, assravaged femanons who think they're "cute" and believe their own opinion and angry online yelling should be enough to change reality, and so on. It's like a bad record left on repeat by a neighbor who went on vacation.

Not my post but from one of choker threads

When they first got popular there were the same things being said, "Girls that wear chokers were sexually promiscuous" Of course no such things were going on and a lot of 10 year old and teenage girls that were wearing them just liked the way they looked. This was also around the time those plastic colorful bracelets became popular and people claimed each color indicated a sexual act the wearer was willing to perform. Once again 10 year old and young teen girls were the main demographic for those accessories.

This is just an old rumor /urban legend and sexism cropping up again because of a fashion fad.

Regardless, I've always like chokers on women there's something subtle, and graceful about that accessory. I've even seen the spiked and diamond encrusted male chokers show up on a few rappers, and though it's initially off putting it doesn't look terrible after the initial shock wears off.

>>13044621
Then I can call nearly every damn thing a whore thing

>>13044624
Yeah, especially that chokers are in goth culture. I actually did quite opposite than starting to wear stuff like that tho, but I absolutely get what you mean

>>13044614
I would comment on how this is only a thing for women and not men. But I already talked about this in another thread. It's so sexist that women have to be what they wear and not men. No one thinks about this however.
>>13044629
but a lot of girls wearing chokers these days don't do that. A lot of women wearing in in the distant past didn't either. You should know the concept of choker style necklaces in jewelry.

>>13044649
I see. It's pretty annoying how everything women do has to be sexualized yet these same people will role their eyes when we point out how sexism is still a problem in society and objectification of women.
I always thought it a goth/punk thing.

>>13044651
Well yes, we can. That's why a lot of aspects of our society and gender is socially constructed.

>>13044690
Same, when I see a choker I think "indie/goth/punk", not "slut"

>>13044690
>>13044697
roll*
ugh I'm getting tired alas

>>13044592
So chokers were invented before humans?

>>13044707
Humans in first forms didn't have prostitution. Just man took a lady he likes and did what he needed

>>13044686
>It's so sexist that women have to be what they wear and not men.
So either you 100% did not read the post you're replying to, or you're stone retarded.

>>13044718
a police officer uniform is the worst example every because it is fucking uniform that is government regulated. What style someone decides to wear is just that. Thats,why I stoped,reading there.
As for men being assumed "gay" for wearing certain things, at least they aren't sexual objectified. Woman can be presumed promiscuous or gay dependibg on their fashion choices. This all just shows that these,preconceived notions are ridiculous and pointless. People should be allowed to wear whatever free of judgement. Its just fucking clothing damnit. Literal materials/fabric on your body.

>>13044747

>they're just assumed to have a particular sexual orientation and proclivity.
>not sexually objectified

nigga if your brain was dynamite you wouldn't blow your ears off

How come when I wear my chaps people keep thinking I'm gay?
Haven't you plebs ever heard of cowboy?

>sluts/girls who love anal BDSM
that is a goth/punk thing
They are sluts

>>13044451
>I don't get where guys especially get this idea that girls who wear it are cock gobbling sluts.
because 5 girls i dated who wore chokers. turned out to be cock gobbling sluts.
nothing wrong with being a slut anyway.

>>13044763
Not her but she is essentially right. Even stuff like police uniforms are sexualised when women wear them. It's one of very few sexist customs left in western culture.

>>13044770
If you wear them right then go for it, nobody will call you a whore for that. Also the difference is that cowboy uniforms were worn only by certain people in certain place in certain time of history, while chokers were around since ancient times, worn by different kinds of women in different locations.

>>13044776
Chokers were before goth/punk

>>13044781
If I date 5 men with short hair and they cheat, does it mean that every guy with short hair is a cheater?

>>13044782
>cowboy uniforms
Jesus, you are mentally deficient

>>13044747
>People should be allowed to wear whatever free of judgement. Its just fucking clothing damnit.
this is 12 yr old logic. I guess you would have no issue with a guy wearing a t-shirt with a naked girl with a sex face on it right?

>>13044786
>does it mean that every guy with short hair is a cheater?
no it means something is off with you. if you keep running into cheaters. try open relationships

>>13044787
Lmao sorry I read "cowboy chaps".

Still, point stands

>>13044791
Then the same I can say to you, it's the same type of situation.

>>13044789
Guys actually wear these t-shirts and I can't remember anyone having issues with it

>>13044795
>Guys actually wear these t-shirts and I can't remember anyone having issues with it
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/nov/14/rosetta-comet-dr-matt-taylor-apology-sexist-shirt

>>13044795
>Then the same I can say to you, it's the same type of situation.
but i like sluts. i don't see how its the same?
unless u like cheaters also?

>>13044793
They were very widespread, people who herded cattl (a lot of people back then) wore them everywhere, from argentina and brazil to mexico and america

Meanwhile only prostitutes wore chokers

>>13044799
>one article from 2014
wow........ sure proved my point.............

>>13044811
find me an article of women in recent times getting shamed on mainstream lvl for wearing a choker.

>>13044800
I don't like cheaters, but as we say that 5 were sluts hence all girls who wear them sluts, then all guys with short hair are cheaters

>>13044816
find me a site full of anonymous women calling men with these t-shirts whores.

>>13044810
>only prostitutes wore chokers
Absolutely fake.

Also, they were in certain point of time, not throughout whole history

>>13044782
My point with the chaps was that some items of clothing get certain connotations and you don't get to decide what they are.
So you either wear the item and deal with people believing certain things about you or you avoid the item.
It's pointless to talk about how it's unfair that people will think you're a whore if you wear a choker, they just will and it wasn't anyone in this thread's idea to make it so.

>>13044820
like i said i love sluts. and i didn't think you resort to being extremist but let me clarify. if i see a girl wearing a choker i'd assume that shes more open minded during sex. if she turns out not to be no big deal.

>>13044822
>find me a site full of anonymous women calling men with these t-shirts whores.
are you really using 4chan as your source of women hatred? show me real world evidence of people shaming women for wearing chokers.
women can wear anything these days and for every guy who whines about. hundreds or not thousands will defend her actions.

>>13044823
Yeah but it's like saying that wearing t-shirt makes you a whore. It's not true and this kind of incel stereotype should be taken care of. Especially that t-shirts are popular all over the world

>>13044827
>are you really using place full of people saying how they perceive it as a source of how people perceive it?
Yes.

>>13044825
Okay, then I understood you wrongly, sorry.

>>13044830
>Okay, then I understood you wrongly, sorry.
i don't accept your apology. you can't be this black and white say clothes are just clothes. NOBODY will hire you if you showed up to every job interview in pajamas. clothes are a representation of how ppl see you before you open your mouth. Stop being autistic please.

>>13044830
>and this kind of incel stereotype

It's not an incel stereotype, though. This is something normal people will absolutely believe about girls wearing chokers.
I repeat: no one on 4chan decided these connotations.

They look like dog collars

>>13044833
There is a difference between job application and normal life. Because when getting hired you have specific dress code, you can go to work wearing choker later. Also as I said it's a representation but chokers mean as much as necklaces, and represent the same thing, hence they are socially acceptable. All I am doing is calling out guys who choose to be incels

>>13044838
I guess you didn't spend enough time outside, because NORMAL men find chokers neutral, the same as necklaces, that's why they are allowed in schools, in works places and during semi official events

>>13044840
If they do then literally every smaller necklace does.

>>13044844
I wouldn't go to work in a choker.

>>13044844
Look up "black belt in sucking dick." That is a normie meme that is years old, I don't even know how many years.

Look up Leon: The Professional. That is a movie from 1994 where they put a choker on a little girl because there's this weird sexual thing going on that is supposed to make you uncomfortable.

>>13044847
You wouldn't, but some people do and it's nothing seen as inappropriate.

>>13044848
Joke among high schoolers ≠ real thing going on

Also it wasn't just choker, her whole outfit was made like that, together with cigarettes and her fixation on sex. If that was choker alone people wouldn't think twice

>>13044844
Also, another thing to mention is that normal make-up and clothing are sexual too.

Lipstick is to make your lips appear more red and more full. (yes except for non-red shades, I know, don't be autistic please) Rouge is to make your cheeks appear flushed.
These are signals of sexual arousal. It's not just a coincidence that those are a part of make-up.

Same thing with high-heels. They make the butt stick out, aroused women stick their butts out, sub-consciously.

>>13044856
I don't understand how you agree that these are things that exist but you dismiss the conclusion. Are you a girl?

>>13044858
Okay, so now it turns out that literally every thing girls do or wear is now slutty?

>>13044862
Jokes that are never heard from people these times are not the same as full community calling girls sluts for wearing a necklace

>>13044864
No, it's more like the things that make a person attractive are different to what makes a landscape painting attractive.
What we find attractive in a person is tied up with mating. Like, a symmetrical face is objectively better than an asymmetrical face because it communicates to us this is a healthy person and good to breed with.
If a woman wants to sleep with me right this minute I will find her more attractive than if she was that same girl and she didn't want anything to do with me, right?
Well that lipstick and rouge tells the animal part of my brain she wants to sleep with me. I know she is just wearing make-up but the monkey part of my brain doesn't know what make-up is.
We let women wear lipstick and rouge to the office, it's just normal everyday make-up, right? But that also means is what we allow women to do is walk around the office signalling to men's monkey brains that they want to have sex.
Another example of what I mean is skirts vs shorts. You've probably seen one of these uniform protests, right? Some guys say it's unfair they can't wear shorts to work in hot weather so they wear skirts because ladies are permitted to wear skirts.
There are different standards for how men and women are allowed to dress themselves.
>get to the point
Chokers are an example of that. You might be allowed to wear a choker to work and no one might say anything but that is because it's rude to call you a slut in public and you might even get fired if it was a co-worker.

The women will gossip about you, the men will make jokes.
Incels on 4chan did not make up these meme.

200 years ago people probably would have said this about you for showing your ankles in public.
200 years from now a choker probably won't have this connotation anymore.

>>13044513
just do it, everyone wears one, only out of touch virgins associate it with stuff like that

>>13044878
200 years ago chokers were a normal thing. Also no matter what women wear "monkey" part of brain will see women like they want to have sex no matter what they wear or how they act

>>13044881
this.

>>13044882
>I have a gender studies degree and I want to wear a choker.
>but it's not because I want to signal I'm into BDSM.

lolk

>>13044886
I don't have gender studies degree. Also, imagine this concept;
>women wear stuff for themselves, not for incels to get wet to them

>>13044894

The reason you wear isn't relevant to how people will perceive you at a glance. People mentally categorize others in an instant based on appearance and the choker = bdsm daddy issues whore association is merely another trend. Deal with it thot.

>>13044844
>being this salty that people will know you're a whore if you dress like one

>>13044899
>deal with it thot
Heh, the incel came out :) I'm a virgin. But yeah, continue sad basement life seeing everyone you meet (your mum and sister) as whore. I'm glad that people like that don't exist in my life, and I meet men that are only cultured and of enough quality to not think so

>>13044908
t. incel

>gets btfo
>starts calling everyone trying to explain shit to her an incel
This is a little uh... I guess transparent isn't exactly the word I'm looking for.

Feeble? Obvious? Limp as shit like a motherfucker?

>>13044461
>Thousand dick stare

>>13044915
>How can you call incels incels?????!??!??!??!??!?!! You were already BTFOOOOOOO (not really but if I say so I will be cooler)

(You)

>>13044781

I think you just have shit (or excellent) taste in women m8. Has nothing to do with the choker.

>>13044451
Chokers were the best thing to happen to normiekind.

All of a sudden I wanted to fuck most of the girls from IG or outside.

God bless chokers, let it never end.

This has got to be the biggest thread of continual bait I've ever seen.

>>13044603
>I thought that boys who are shallow enough to think that are not worth my attention

I hear this all the time from women about various things, and I'm not saying it's untrue, but it always comes across as a total coping mechanism.

>>13044451
i suppose it comes down to current associations. It doesn't matter if the swastika was associated with eastern religion and philosophies, people are going to think nazi in any context. Clothes are half who you are and half who you want to be. You have an item with a certain connotation and you wish to not be associated with that connotation, the best solution is to just not wear it vs. Try to convince everyone that there's no stigma now. Keep in mind youre also ruining it for all the kinky girls who want to signal that they're kinky without outright saying it, just so you can have your new trendy accessory.

>>13044686
Dude you wear certain musrache style people assume you are emulating hitler and not one of the best screen performer of the 20th century.

Also fuck dylan and klebold for doing to the trench coat to what hitler did to the mustache.

>>13044839
Elle needs them to offset her monster neck though.

>>13044649
>old rumour

do you understand semiotics and cultural symbols at all?

take a really extreme example say like the historical use of coloured handkerchiefs in gay culture specifically in san francisco in the 70s, they were used by gay men to signal their sexual preferences to other gay men.

Now lets apply this to chokers as cultural symbols, obviously you're right ten year olds and young teens are gobbling down cocks and aren't prostitutes but, thats not the point. what you're observing is a form of appropriation being done by young girls to an aesthetic paradigm that has previously held a place as a cultural symbol (chokers on prostitutes) this opens chokers up to be read or perceived more benignly but it creates semiotic confusion. this is due to the innate slipperiness of aesthetics, and while aesthetics do not always contain the users intentions or sincerity, they do retain this from their referant (chokers on prostitues)

"the user of an aesthetic either employs its origin sincerely or ironically but neither tack depletes the aesthetic of it's referent. in fact, the strategic user depends on it's aesthetic retaining its referent for ironization or cognitive dissonance to make it's meaning"

so you see how young girls and just girls in general wearing chokers are doing this
they may not be prostitutes themselves or even sexually promiscuous but, they are using a symbol that would suggest that, for whatever aesthetic means they want. and sure you can point to thousands of different women who wore chokers and weren't sexually promiscuous but, everyone who wore a red handkerchief in their back pocket in san francisco in the 70s wasn't into anal sex either, symbols aren't absolute and aesthetics are tricky

>>13045285
I hear it both from men and women, and it's true, if someone perceives you as a slut for wearing something that doesn't show you off in any way, they are rarely worth talking to


>>13045454
Yeah, but the thing is, that chokers weren't around as a thing for prostitutes, ba, in France at the time they symbolised political stance of women, the same as today stickers or pins would. Therefore, if you think that everyone who wears choker is a slut, you can stay with your opinions as it's your right, but it doesn't change the face that you are wrong (I'm not using you as specifically refering to you)

I actually am goth and I do wear chokers, but I also never wear anything low cut, never wear red lips except on dates with my boyfriend, never wear short skirts (above the knee) without full coverage tights. My boyfriend admitted he didn't know I had tits until they came out about a month or two into our relationship. I prefer comfy and modest, I'm rather non sexual except for my small collection of chokers. I get described as more of a "sexy librarian" but I started wearing tighter t-shirts because my boyfriend asked me to.

>>13044621
>prostitution predates civilization
"no"

>>13044763
I guess you missed the part where I said women not only get accused of being gay with their fashion choices like men do(if they wear less feminine clothes), but they also have the unfortunate problem of being objectified too because of almost every single fashion choice. They get the worst of both worlds.
you're the only one here who is brain dead.

>>13045593
>not slutty
>sex before marriage

>>13045607
>Assuming not showing off my body means I not having sex
Okay. Good luck.

>>13045336
those are the girls who wear collars or chokers with metal rings inside to attach leashes though. THOSE are different from the chokers that have been trending now and that were a trend a long time ago before bdsm.
we are not "ruining" anything for these bdsm girls because if they want to participate in bdsm, there are plenty of communities they can visit. Most importantly, all they need to do is say it. Hey shouldn't be ashamed for a sexual preferable they have and neither should men.

>>13045607
>Assuming not showing my body off to strangers means I don't have sex
Okay. Good luck.

>>13045607
are you catholic? If so,
are YOU even a virgin? Have you master bated before?

>>13045630
I'm a man, so it's different.

>>13045632
No, it's not different. You are a manwhore, a slut. Truly pathetic.

>>13045454
that just shows are retarded stereotypes are then. If you want to get to know someone, the best way is to actually get to now them and judge th em by the content of th eir fucking character, not ju st looking at their appearance and immediately judging a book by it's cover.
I'm happy this is happening more because it shows the stupidity of prejudice.

>>13045639
>what is microchimerism

>>13045336
If you want to show off that you are kinky, wear pic related, people who wear stuff like >>13044844 shouldn't be associated with bdsm

>>13045646
Kill yourself, manwhore. You are not better than any fancy woman, and you will never be

>>13045632
but catholic/christian teaching is the only one that says a women who has sex before marriage is a slut.
It also says tho, that a man who has sex before marriage and/or masturbates.


If you mean to say patriarchy says so, then that is false, and not objective at all it is just an outdated gender role born from the need to promote patrilineal succession and lack of children born out of wedlock in a world without birth control and where women couldn't work.

>>13045658
>>13045665
>what is microchimerism

>>13045645
how retarded*
shit. sorry for all the typos. I'm phone posting right now and my phone is acting up.

>>13045667
>>13045646
You are absolutely original, manwhore

>>13045667
what does that have to do with you slut shaming women who aren't virgins but not doing it to men?
As I said, paternity fraud is easier tho catch now than ever. You have little to worry about. Quit letting such archaic(and sexist notions )of gender roles rule your mind. There is and was no real objective reason to it other than control desu.

>>13044451
I have some really cute chokers but I hardly wear them for this reason

>>13045693
Honestly, wear them. I used to not wear mine because of that too, but everyone irl is accepting and compliment them

>>13044908
but she is not a whore and just likes to wear choker necklaces because they are cute. That is the reason we are having this argument in the first place. Just because it used to be associated with whore doesn't mean things don't change. All tattoos used to be associated with men of questionable character, now they are common here and no one reallys gives a shit provided you're not over doing it with hot topic teir levels of body art.
Historically, believe it or not Jeans and leather jackets were associated with being a man/woman of questionable character(greasers) . This has changed dramatically now as jeans are the most common fashion staple.
Now fuck off. Unless you are going to start judging all men and women who wear leather jackets and jeans again.

>>13045697
I wear them sometimes but a few men do treat me differently when I wear them so now I only do it when I'm with a male friend so strangers dont approach me

>>13045701
Yeah, I noticed it as well. That some men treat me differently, fortunately I am friends only with ones that treat me the same way

>>13045701
really? differently in what way? Hitting on you? It's probably just because they think you look cute in your outfit. It's was only a few men though so it's no big deal right? Tbqh though, I like fashion but I sometimes hate going outside looking really nice with make up and all (no matter how modest I look) because some guy always hits on me. I'm kind of awkward around new people so it makes me feel a bit uncomfortable and I don't know what to do. I would rather avoid the situation entirely.

>>13045720
the time I decided to stop wearing them (when I'm by myself) a stranger jokingly started choking me. I didn't find it funny.

>>13044770
This just continues to prove why stereotypes are stupid.
Just wear what you want. If people don't want to get to take the time to know you but just make idiotic assumptions, they weren't worth your time in the first place imo. Luckily, people are becoming more open minded these days and truly internalizing the saying "don't judge a book by its cover"

>>13044776
Goths and punks are NOT sluts, especially not goth. There can be slutty goths but that is not essential to being goths. They were always the rejects /weirdos that no one wanted to hang out with.

>>13044776
I know way too many frigid goth girls for this stereotype to make sense. Even the ones I've met from the crossover BDSM scene always seemed more into the theatrics than the actual sex part.

>>13044789
It is not because if I talk to him and realize he's not really a freak but just doesn't give a shit what anyone thinks of his appearance at then that is different. Also you are comparing apples to oranges now. I hate false equivilancy fallacies. A choker=/=a sex act out right. That you would compare a choker with a person wearing a shirt with naked people on it is absurd. Besides, that mind set is only childish when it comes to corporate, obviously dressing up to a place with a known dress code with something different is retarded. You are talking about dress code, I am talking about everyday fashion.

>>13045593
You sound annoying.

>>13045772
you are annoying rn

>>13045739
What a weirdo, people suck. There is no reason to make ridiculous assumptions about a person without knowing them.
What type of choker were you wearing though?The ones that look like dog collars are strickly BDSM.
The more trendy ones like pic related in op look little like actual dog collars(no metal ring inside). either way, it's still a stupid way to treat people. I'm not going to assume every dude with tats and muscles is a bumbling idiot.

>>13045171
How is this thread bait?
OP here, I'm just sick of these dumb memes about a girl's choice of clothing having to define her sexual status.
This is one of many examples.
Fashion should just be fashion

Why is it that women like the septum piercing and the collar when they are blatant symbols of subjugation.im not interested in slaveminset.
I want liberation and transcendance

>>13045378
It doesn't mean it's right. Besides, you're comparing a symbol of tyranny, hatred, and antisemitism (what Hitler represents to o many) to a past association likely just rumor.

People are not what they wear anyway, it's the heart that counts.

>>13045798
Ok now this is just b.s. When did septum peircings=BDSM? I am 100% sure that was always just a goth thing. Septum peircings are usually ugly though. I don't know why any man or woman would get one. It makes you look like a bovine animal imo. There are very few looks that can make them look good.

>>13045678
>gender roles are inherently sexist
christ you're dumb

>>13045815
Nice putting words in my mouth you idiot. I said certain gender roles. Not all. At their best, they are superfluous(girls wear dresses, pink, and make up and are hairless;boys wear blue, pants, and no make up). At worst they are oppressive(girls cant do sports or certain careers) Boys can't cry or be stay at home dads ).

>>13045815
>>13045815
Hairless as in girls must shave body hair btw.

>>13045798
Chokers didn't mean that in the past

>>13044513
Pls dont do it.
As a man take my word for it.

>>13045935
And why she shouldn't? She wants to and it's nothing bad?

>>13045950
>nothing bad
If getting known as the town's whore is a good thing...

>>13046087
Nowadays whatever girls do make them seen as one. Choker is a great example, simple necklace became a sex symbol for men because it's, God forbid, 1 cm too close to neck.

>>13045593
Fuck off Lorde.

>>13045630

I'm pretty sure he's master baiting right now

>>13046162
Not her but go back to r9k, you ruin the air

>>13046701
I like the ones that look like a tiny belt but hate this one

I unironically ask my gf to wear a choker to bed sometimes to degrade her.

>>13046720

>>13044686
Men can't wear earing on their left ear unless they want to get fucked in the ass

>>13046720
rip

>>13046730

I went to a museum where they stored the dresses of Austro-Hungarian queen and royals, and there were tons of chokers showed there.

>>13046740

>>13046720
Sad

>>13046752
not the royals' those, more like examples of high class women dresses in the era

>>13046754

>>13046769

I don't know who any of these people are desu
>>13046780

>>13046786

>>13046794

Maybe is my semi-liberal education, but I don't assume that someone is a whore, only that she is more likely to be one of those "alternative" girls my pastor keeps warning me about.
I still like how they look, they look pretty on fair skin
>>13044524
I am sure he meant vibrant, almost neon colors
>earing wearing a simple accessory just because of past connotations.
I can't wear a NSDAP armband because of that. Is part of living in a society, there are rules to follow

i for one go outside and have several girl friends who have dyed hair and i can be as sexist as i want

>>13044708
prostitution might be new, but pimping is timeless

>>13045757
>>13045767
that's not the reputation they have with normies though, and it's not what people want to believe
something about the whole goth thing makes a lot of people want to see them as sexual
I blame vampire stories

>>13044451
>I thought it was a goth/punk thing
Yeah.. girls who like anal and bdsm are all goth and punk.

>>13046859
There are rules to follow but when a necklace with no type of sexual connotation before suddenly can't be worn by any women unless they fit a certain lifestyle is pretty dumb just because of more recent connotation in the past 100 years that is something different.
Swasticas are a symbol of hatred and suffering for many people so I think that is comparing apples to oranges. It is not an accessory either.
>>13046664
>>13046671
These are more like collars

>>13046690
>>13046701
>>13046720
>>13046730
>>13046740
>>13046754
These are more like chokers.and man kpop soy boys are literally the best pic related.

>>13046910
And nothing is wrong with that

I have a collar that cost 60$ and have never found the occasion to wear it

>>13045794
> Fashion should just be fashion.
Fashion has always signaled status and personality, you just don't like that those signals aren't always exactly what you'd prefer.
Sure, it might be wonderful if everyone just got along and everything was perfect but that is an incredibly naive, childish way to approach life.

This has already been explained though, and at this point you're clearly either incapable of critically assessing the role of clothing in civilization or trolling.

>>13046920
If enough people see chokers are whorish then they are whorish. That's how culture works. Is like using a fedora, like it or not you will be compared to the meme even if you were not aware of it. If you want people to stop the the one that changes is you, not society

>Swasticas are a symbol of hatred and suffering
Good goy. It was a symbol for the sun, unity, etc. But since they lost the war it is now a symbol of genocide and such, even if that was not the original intent; if enough people think of it then it becomes rule

>>13046906
I don't know what you mean. No normies really saw the goths as sexual. Creepy seven pointed star demon summoners with a penchant for horror and the macbre maybe, perhaos even vandalism, but not necessarily sexual. You are confusing goth(and to some degree punk) and the music they listen to(metal and punk rock) with glam rock and roll in the 80s that WAS very sexual.

>>13046947
>>13046948
Choker necklaces have a long history though, far from BDSM until the past century.
The majority of people(obviously not most girls these days hence the trend) don't even see it as whorish. It's just some guys who may or may not be into kinky shit and people on here.
The idea that fashion has to define a person is slowly changing though. Yes you can't wear what you want to a place with an obvious dress code(work) but on the street it is different.

Oh great a /pol/tard on top of it.
Swasticas are not only seen as bad because the Nazis lost you ass. They were seen as the enemy during by every one not on the axis side.
Either way, something like chokers, a type of jewelry and/or accessory is completely ridiculous to compare to a literal symbol.
If you're not Buddhist,
(most westerners are not) you have no reason to try to sport it anyway. The same cannot be said of an accessory like choker. It is a price of fashion first before it is a symbol.

>>13046910
See>>13046956
Goths are not necessarily sexual. There can be "slutty goths" who are super sexualized but that was not the point of goth/punk. Goths, esp, are the creepy, depressing, rejects that no one really wanted to hang out with(and by no one I mean normies).
>t. Person friends with goths in high school who definitely weren't sluts or hyper sexual and still aren't now.

>>13046979
It was only to prove my point that culture affects our perception of things

>>13046996
My point is, choker necklaces have a long history before BDSM and even so they are an accessory before a symbol. Comparing it to a literal symbol like the swasticas is silly.

>>13047006
My point is, regardless of their original intent, chokers have lately being paired with whores. Since this happened more close to us its memory is more fresh than what they originally represent
>Comparing it to a literal symbol like the swasticas is silly.
Everything is a symbol

Literally nobody thinks they're for whores/sluts outside 4chin
Kids wear them ffs

>>13047014
But they are also other things before they are a symbol, in this case clothing/accessories.
A swasticas is literally just that, a symbol.

Besides, most recent chokers have been modified from the earlier BDSM form(more like a collar)back to their more original form in this recent trend(more like a very short necklace).
That again was my other main point. And why I responded to all those pictures. Chokers are a new normie trend and not related to BDSM lovers and "sluts" get over it. That's how fashion cycles

>>13047024
And the Finnish air force uses a swastica in their flag, a shit ton of ancient art uses it too. It is only in the context of the right after 1933 where it becomes the symbol of Literally Hitler.
Symbols are only are powerful as their meanings, chokers only become socially acceptable once they divert from BDSM (Making them soft, combining them with non-slut clothing, etc)
However, if you go out with a leather chocker that looks like a dog collar then of course you are going to evoke the "I am a bad bitch, someone should spank me"

I want chockers to be used more, I dislike BDSM and how they look, so I have no problem with people using them more in non-slut situations. What I want to say is that one can't go out with a sign that reads "I am a slut" and expect not to be treated like a slut

>>13044451
Black velvet chokers = black belt in fellatio.

How come the only girls I know who wear chokers are lesbians?

>>13047037
So you agree that chokers are making a non BDSM come back then?
I have no intention of wearing anything but a velvet or lace one. Maybe the thin plastic one like pic related too. Those look simple, comfortable, and "lady like" (my asthetic).
As for your last statement, what do you mean by that? Don't be so absurd. That is oppressive and ridiculous for anyone to treat a girl like anything just because of how she looks. This does not happen to men and tbqh, shouldn't happen to anyone. Hell, even if the woman is a "slut" you or anyone has no right to touch or harass her.
That is mysoginistic. You wouldn't like if girls(yes, even ugly ones) and gay guys randomly grabbed your croctch just because you gave out a certain kind of "sexy vibe" to them. Or for them to constantly sexually harass you. Why do you think women deserve this? None of this has ever happen to me but I don't think any woman or man, deserves it.

>>13047093
>>13047037
Forgot pic

>>13047093
I done correctly then yes, but one should expect a bit of stigma from people who have being conditioned to see chokers as sluty
>That is oppressive and ridiculous for anyone to treat a girl like anything just because of how she looks.
But we don't live in a fair world, it happens. No matter how absurd it is to you, it happens. Is like going with an expensive watch to the ghetto, you are not asking to be mugged but will be. Or if on acts like an asshole one will be treated as such, even if one does not want it.
>This does not happen to men and tbqh,
t. not a male. It happens to everyone. In our case is not our sexuality what is put into question, tho.
>>13047097
Looks cute, and does not evoke a dog collar nor a piece of lingerie, is a step in the right direction. I really do hope to see it re-gain its dignity.
My problem is when one goes around thinking that our actions or image have no consequences. As much as one wants to do what one wants people will still think, they too are individuals

>>13047112
>Men's sexuality is not what is called into question
In what ways then? You mean looking like a criminal? Are you black? No offense but it's mostly black guys that deal with that unfair stereotype. You don't really have to worry about much when you're a white guy(and definitely not an Asian guy). As for looking gay, that is another unfair stereotype.
I still disagree and think our society has the capacity to be a better place if we fought stigmas and bias in so far as how people are treated. It's sounds sjw but I mean more basic things, not "microaggressions."
It's one thing to have a preconceived notion about someone in your head when you look at them(,we all do this at least subconsciously) but it's another thing for people to act on these notions before even knowing the person.
Luckily, this is changing more and in some time may be a thing of the past as we further evolve in our thinking.

I love chokers. All girls should wear them all the time.

>>13047182
In my case (Mexico) Acting like a queer will get you a bad look. Not like I care much, I don't like that "I am weak but I am so cute" attitude in men nor women

>>13044451
Black belt in sucking dick, case closed, thread over
See you next choker thread

>>13047307

>>13046121
Dont go complaining to me about it,
just saying that if you wear a choker you'll come across as a slut or a coalburner which is a huge red flag for any decent man.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_mind

Theory of mind (often abbreviated ToM) is the ability to attribute mental states—beliefs, intents, desires, pretending, knowledge, etc.—to oneself, and to others, and to understand that others have beliefs, desires, intentions, and perspectives that are different from one's own.[1] Deficits can occur in people with autism spectrum disorders, schizophrenia, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder,[2] cocaine addiction,[3] and brain damage suffered from alcohol's neurotoxicity.[4] Although philosophical approaches to this exist, the theory of mind as such is distinct from the philosophy of mind.

>>13047746
Nah, every decent man doesn't consider a necklace a proof that person is a whore or nigger lover. Fortunately world is full of decent men

Didn't feel like reading the whole thread but chokers have been basic for a good while now. If they make you hard resist it, unless you want to listen to drake all night.

>>13045665
You are delusional if you think that was ever even remotely true.

Poor people of both genders always worked, and still do.

What do you think medieval peasant women did all day? Watch medieval Ellen? They worked, so did the men, so did the children.

The top 0.1% of people were rich, the men worked and the women didn't have to. Society always has been run to benefit women. This revisionist ideal that rich women were forced to pursue a life of luxury and pleasure because spending 80 hour weeks working was a 'boys only' thing is insane, it's a product of capitalism and a great victory of advertising.

Working is a means to an end, not the meaning of life. Visit any poor country where the concept of gender equality doesn't exist and you will witness poor women working. Get your head out of your privileged ass.

>>13047762
Whale tails and tongue studs are/were basic and people wouldn't necessarily make fun of you to your face: but they were making assumptions about you that you might not like.

I think everyone actually knows this. I think these choker people or this choker person just wants people to think they're a hot slut while trying to believe they can manage all the negative reactions out of people.
Can't be done. Put on your choker and come sit on my dick, I promise I won't say anything bad about you.

>>13047182
I think you will find your utopia hard to achieve because of pragmatics, let alone basic psychology.

How is it possible to treat people without regard to their appearance?

Would you treat a lost child as if they were an adult? A frail old lady like a young man? Would you ignore workers directing traffic because you don't want to make assumptions based on their clothes? Would you walk into a neighbourhood of urban youths at 3am as you would in an unmelaninated suburb?

If you stopped and thought for a minute, maybe you'd see how having a mental model of how things are is a very good and useful thing.

>>13047769
I don't think they think that deeply about it. I think they just see chokers on celebrities, friends, the mall, etc. and think "oh that's trendy! cool, I'll buy that".

>>13047784
adding on, I'm a ~grill~ that used to wear chokers

>>13046979
>TRIGGERED

>>13047769
No. I don't want people to think I'm a "hot slut". My chokers are cute and are easier to manage than necklaces so I wear them.

>>13047791
>another incel that tells triggered at everything that isn't the way he wants it to be
Kek

>>13047792
Post pics.

>>13047801
What pics?

>>13044651
Yes you can you stupid nigger that’s why they say if she’s breathing she’s a fucking THOT.

>>13047808
Pics of you wearing the chokers.

>>13047810
And why do you want me too?

>>13047809
Kinda irritating desu

>>13047814
Because I'm a heterosexual man and I get a dopamine hit seeing attractive women.

I'm drunk, shitposting in this repeat thread, but I think the way to overcome this trend (if it's getting overdone to you) is to move on to ascots and bandanas, just tiny scarves around the neck. Elegant yet form fitting to the neck.

Pic isn't great, but you get the idea.

>>13047820
Then you should Google some. I'm not posting pictures

>>13044910
>I'm glad that people like that don't exist in my life, and I meet men that are only cultured and of enough quality to not think so
Oh honey...

>>13047823
Then there's no proof that you look cute and not like a slut. This shit is fake news.

>>13047823
You seem like someone dragged you in front of a computer and forced you to participate in a thread on this weird fourchin website that you had only heard of from your slightly more attractive best and only friend from highschool that you see maybe twice a year

>>13047832
I think it's time for you to go back to your leddit incel hole, sorry you can't get laid.

>>13047857
>make random claims
>refuse to offer any evidence
>when called out start insulting others with sex shaming insults

Whether or not anon is an incel is completely irrelevant. No one is forcing you to read and respond. If you don't want to contribute to the thread just go find another one.

And find some less bigoted insults that don't oust you as a shitlord.

>>13044451
Goth/punk girls like that crazy rough degenerate type sex. Daddy issues. Trust me

>>13047875
t.
dated two of them, the sex was great, but they are fucked in the head.

>>13047878
Yeah I'm sure fucking some guy who posts on 4chan really helped them out

>>13047873
I'm going with this:
>>13047754
This is a lady autist. She can't grok that people think independently of her.

>>13047873
>shit lord
This has to be bait....

>>13047888
Shaming people for things out of their control makes you scum. Especially using mysogninist, sexist, sex shaming, slurs like 'incel'.

Think about why you hate people who don't have sex. Maybe you can self crit and stop being a cunt.

>>13047893
>calling me scum for slurs I NEVER USED
>triggering my PTSD by using one of the most sexist insults that exist
I can't even rn

>>13047873
Well, I was half joking, but damn, I guess you really are an incel.
>>13047893
Nobody truly hates virgins, just entitled incels, you know you're just pushing yourself further down the hole by visting /r9k/ and other incel forums right?


Ugh, this is probably bait but whatever.

>>13047829
Let me guess, you are American?

>>13047832
I have a proof that I'm not a slut, basically refusing to post it for you to jerk off over it

>>13047853
Ahh, the sound of projection in the morning.

>>13047862
>>13047868
Funny memes bro

>>13047932
Thanks pal

>>13047912
You know you are replying to multiple different people right?

Calling people virgins or whatever is asshole behaviour no matter how you look at it.

>mfw all these roasties ITT mad at being called a hoe

>>13047946
It's obviously just one really insistent sperglord, but agreed.

>>13047946
>mfw all these incels mad at being called out

I totally agree with you OP. Wearing a fedora shouldn't make people think i'm autistic or a virgin, even though I am. Same goes for chokers. Me and you were just born in the wrong generation.

You wouldn't happen to be in London, would you?

>>13047976
>even though I am
This. You are an autistic virgin so being mad over being seen as one is stupid.

>fedora
The difference is that fedora is not really worn in today's society, only by really few people who always happen to be autistic virgins, while chokers are popular in today's society and every type of people wear them

>>13045739

Should have stuck your fingers in their eyes and tried to gouge them out.

>>13044649
I 100% believe that it comes from parents trying to figure out the “codes” kids use to get away with alleged behaviors.

Why do people become complete retards the second they have kids

>i hate all these girls wearing chokers because i imagine they're all having sex, but not having sex with me

>>13044451
Honestly who anon cares? Wear them if you like them, Personally if I'd see you wearing one I would think you are an insecure slut but only because mostly I see insecure sluts wearing them. That being said I still think your degeneracy is kinda kinky

>>13047988
Yeah, usually bitter people trying to make others look worse start this kind of stuff to feel 1) better or 2) like they understand something that was supposed to be a secret

>>13047929
Let me guess, you're under the age of 20?
I'm German. It's cute that you think none of your male friends think of you as someone they'd love to fuck

>>13048010
Yeah.
Also if they want to fuck me then they want to regardless of me wearing a necklace

>>13047981
I was trying to be a nice guy and back you up. The fedora is NOT just for autistic virgins, it's a classy hat that has a history of being worn by masculine men, and is still today worn by every type of person. NOT JUST AUTISTIC PEOPLE.

Fedoras were around long before autism was a thing.

>>13048010
>you think none of your male friends think of you as someone they'd love to fuck

Women saying that are lying because part of having beta orbiters is pretending to be oblivious. If the betas know that you know they are pathetic orbiters they'll run for it and then if a lion eats your boyfriend you won't have an orbiter to replace him.
The trick is encouraging them to stay with you and not to progress to where another woman will find them attractive enough to be an actual mate.

>>13048019
If it's still worn in today's society (literally never saw one) then there should be no problem with it, I ever heard about autistic people wearing that but I still don't assume one is autistic because of having one

>>13048022
Lmao what? What kind of r9k tier theory is that? Kek

>>13048019
The fedora is meant for MEN with CLASS!

>>13048030
A similar behaviour is observed in chimps. Lady chimps "cheat" on their "husbands" with weaker chimp men while their mate is out hunting. The weaker chimps give the lady chimp favours like food and watching their kids and in exchange they get sex occasionally and so a chance to breed.
This is less evident in contemporary orbiter relationships, the women don't usually reward orbiters with sex.
But it actually is an increasing trend. This is what many "polyamory" relationships are all about.
A college-age girl maintains a sort of harem of typically third-rate men and rewards them with occasional sex.

>>13047981
>fashion is just fashion except when I agree with the connotation then it doesn't count
just lol

>>13048048
Nice not understanding what I am saying

>>13048026
>only by really few people who always happen to be autistic virgins
> I still don't assume one is autistic because of having one

You've got some nerve, m'lady

choker thotties make dick grow

>>13048042
Then I don't have beta orbiters because I don't fuck them.

>>13048056
I all I saw on internet were autistic virgins, but when I see someone I don't know with it on, I don't assume he is a virgin. I could have worded that better but I assumed that it was obvious

>>13048055
we understand, you're able to rationalize why your own prejudices are fine but others that might affect you are not

>>13048059
>all I saw on internet were autistic virgins

And you know they're autistic virgins because?
God, It's so sexist that men have to be what they wear and not women with chokers.

>>13048073
this.

>>13048069
lmao, BTFO

This thread is pretty entertaining.. I love watching this hoe in denial. Top kek

>>13048073
Because they told me they were virgins and because they were unironically calling me m'lady and sharing my little pony stuff?
It's sexist to think that it's sexist that men are seen as autists when they literally are ones while women are seen as sluts when they wear accessory.

>>13048069
>I didn't understand why you said so I will just assume it was something that will make me feel like I won the argument
BTFO

>>13048058
Wtf kind of retard photoshop job is this?

>>13048077
I love watching incels in denial. Top kek

>>13048080
Virgins are autistic, got it

This thread still exists?????? This is the most obvious bait thread I've ever encountered Jesus

>>13048080
>no fedoras are different only autistic virgins wear them
>oh wait shit that makes me a hypocrite, what I MEANT to say was

>>13048084
dont forget, she already said she was a virgin herself ;v))

>>13048080
All the choker wearers i've encountered were open thots. It's sexist to think that it's sexist to think that it's sexist to think choker wearing women are sluts when they literally are.

You can backtrack and jump through hoops all you want, but your double standards are showing.
Now, back to my original question, ARE YOU IN LONDON?

>>13048084
Where did I say that?

>>13048086
I didn't know that saying that every guy with fedora I encountered was autistic virgin means that only autistic virgins say that :) But if you are so desperate to put your words in my mouth then sure, have it your way and sleep calmly at night

I think chokers look good, but there is always going to be connotations.
For example, if an average man puts on a fedora and walks outside, he now has to unfairly work against the idea that he is an autistic virgin.

It is what is. You can't dictate how others should perceive your fashion

>>13048093
You didn't ask me that question.

If all the choker wearers you encountered are thots then you have every right to think that they are. Choker doesn't make you a slut, the same as Fedor doesn't make you a brony

>>13048101
>If all the choker wearers you encountered are thots then you have every right to think that they are
>Where the fuck did this idea that chokers are for sluts/girls who love anal BDSM come from?

The fedora thing is a false equivalency. If people see you wearing that weird try hard hat they'll just think your a loser and will laugh at you behind your back

But if I wear a choker then guys literally sexually assault me on the street and act like I'm just begging for it.
Just because of a little fucking necklace! And I tell you guys about this shit and you seriously try to play it off like men got it just as bad just because you can't wear some stupid fucking hat without being called out for living in your parents basement

>>13048094
>The difference is that fedora is not really worn in today's society, only by really few people who always happen to be autistic virgins
is not the same as
>the only people who I have ever met who wear them are men which I happened to all know well enough to say they were autistic virgins

>>13048083
ok rape u next week.

>>13048102
So now a few girls you personally met make being a thot a standard for wearing a choker? I bet all had t-shirts, maybe they are the symbol of being a thot? How about trousers?

>>13048104
Get over it, chokers are fedoras for women.

>>13048108
How about fedoras?

>>13048106
It is not worn in today's society

Also obviously I speak for myself because I don't know everyone with fedora, I thought that it was obvious.

>>13048109
So now a piece of headwear that was popular at one point of time and is not really worn today is the same as necklace that was worn throughout human history and is really popular in today's society?

>>13048112
I personally met only autistic guys that wear fedoras but it doesn't mean that English person wearing it is autistic.

>>13048107
bitch lasagna

>>13048108
c'mon stop BS'ing yourself a majority of women wearing chokers are SLUTS just like the majority of women wearing too much make up are sluts.

>>13048116
Generally majority of women are sluts, at least in western countries, eastern asia and Australia

>>13048109
So guys who wear fedoras like being spanked and choked out?
This guy has daddy issues?

>>13048113
>Also obviously I speak for myself because I don't know everyone with fedora, I thought that it was obvious.
come off it, you made a definitive assertion about men who wear fedoras. even if you limit it to your own experiences you were claiming that you somehow got close enough to every one of them to know they were autistic virgins. that isn't credible, you just formed a prejudice.

>>13048114
shut up the & send bobs and vagene you whore filthy

>>13048125
I know 2 of them, and I knew them well enough to see them posting about being virgins and then sharing dozens of MLP stuff.

>>13048124
Guy probably has mother issues and is into some weird hentai shit.

>>13048127
Stop being problematic

>>13048127
I worn open my cloth for you, sir.

>>13048124
Lack of theory of mind is most of why guys wear the fedoras.
They don't fully grasp that other people see them and how those people see them.

>>13048131
>2 people
thats definitely an adequate sample population size

>>13048131
>2
wow what a great personal basis for saying
>people who always happen to be autistic virgins

Post some fedora inspo

>>13048138
Wow senpai you're so smart with those terms

Are you the genius who figured out that all girls who wear chokers are total sloots?

>>13048141
>>13048142
That's why I said that from my own experience? I literally said that people *I* encountered were like that, and said that there is a guy in England who wears it and isn't that way.

>>13044844
>what the fuck is up with guys saying chokers are for sluts, I wanna wear a choker and not be judged
>"well that's too bad, we aren't in charge of how others will perceive you"
>NO, it's only the incels who say it's for sluts! CHANGE IT RIGHT NOW
why are you worked up about it if it's incels saying it?

>choose to be incels
>involuntarily celibate
>involuntarily
>choose

>>13044451
>Where the fuck did this idea that chokers are for sluts/girls who love anal BDSM come from?

From the fact that girls usually wear a choker when they're doing BDSM.
I think it went like this
>she's wearing something that you usually wear when you're having sex
>she must be a slut
>if she's a slut then she must be liking anal

>>13048153
>no it's different, it's only worn by autistic virgins!
>no wait that's prejudice, what I meant to say was every guy I've encountered who wore one was an autistic virgin
>wait shit that still implies a degree of prejudice, what I really meant to say was I've met a whole 2 guys who wore a fedora and were autistic virgins yet chose this as a basis to assert something as general as "[they] always happen to be autistic virgins". Please ignore the fact that I was trying to defend the prejudice against fedoras.

>>13048161
There is a reason why they are incels, and they CHOOSE to do nothing about it, just whine that they are treated poorly. Just go work out and build some confidence man, and understand what is in your league and what is not.

>>13048133
STOP BEING CUNTY

>>13048184
>just build some confidence man

>>13048161
I said a couple of times already that you can have a personal opinion about it. All I said is that it's a wrong opinion

>>13048181
Nice projection. All I said is that I always encounter guys who are autistic virgins when they wear fedora, then I said that I encountered two, which were, and it makes it always for me as I didn't meet anyone else who does so. But of course you have to exaggerate it to make yourself feel better :)

>>13048184
You can't choose something that's involuntary you silly head

>>13048194
>All I said is that I always encounter guys who are autistic virgins when they wear fedora, then I said that I encountered two, which were, and it makes it always for me as I didn't meet anyone else who does so
Even if that were true the fact that it was only 2 guys makes your entire point completely worthless, why the fuck would you use it as a counter argument?
>oh haha it was technically always even though it was just 2 guys yet this is somehow sufficient for me to dismiss the comparison

>>13048194
>I said a couple of times already that you can have a personal opinion about it. All I said is that it's a wrong opinion
Why do you care if some basement dwelling nerds have the wrong opinion?

>>13048195
>>13048193
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>>13048161
Yo how are you this devoid of self awareness? How are you still responding? Do you honestly think girls are this fucking stupid? Do you not know that people fucking come on this website to LARP and get rises out of people?

>>13048194
You are a very mean spirited and arrogant person.

I hope you aren't like this in real life because it will lead to you having a very sad life.

Maybe you should think about what you have to gain by being a complete cunt to strangers and attacking people for having mental illness or their sex life.

>>13048202
Because a person asked me about that? I didn't start talk about them out of the blue

>>13048205
Because one girl from this thread is scared to wear what she likes because they make.her feel like everyone will see her as a whore.

>>13048209
Where did I attack autistic people or virgins? All I said is that 2 people I met that wear fedoras were both

>>13048206
>Do you honestly think girls are this fucking stupid?
yes

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>>13048217
>scared to wear what she likes because they make her feel like everyone will see her as a whore

You cannot control this. It's very simple. You cannot dictate how other people should see you.
Stop worrying about it

>>13048217
>Because a person asked me about that? I didn't start talk about them out of the blue
They didn't ask you about it, they said they didn't like the stereotype. You implied it wasn't an unfair stereotype because 2 people confirmed it for you.

>>13048217
you were clearly using incel as an insult

>>13048222
That's easy for a guy to say but if a girl is "dressed like a slut" then she gets blamed for being raped/groped

>>13048222
I myself don't worry about being seen that way, because I know I am not a whore. I'm pissed off because of that one girl that can't enjoy that because of people hating on her. The same as I would be angry if someone normal guy had fedora after his grandpa and was scared to wear it because of people saying that he must be autistic and Virgin

>>13048223
I said few times that I don't think that a random guy in England i don't know has to be autistic virgin because he wears fedora

>>13048226
Because it is insult? Also incel is more than just being a virgin. I am a virgin and it doesn't mean that I'm an incel.

>>13048227
geez, we're not muslims...

>>13048233
Incels are very often on the autistic spectrum and are of course virgins.
Of course you aren't an incel, its basically a gender specific term

>>13048219
DID I TELL YOU TO KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT? DID I TELL YOU TO KEEP YOUR GODDAMN MOUTH SHUT?!?

YOU STUPID FUCKIN' BLABBER MOUTH CUNT!!!!!!

>>13048247
I use word incel as "a guy who is bitter about women not liking him, therefore he calls women sluts/whores/thots to cope with that which makes him even less likeable hence he acts even worse"
If you are a virgin and that's all, nothing is wrong with it, but if it makes you so salty that you have to treat other gender like shit, is awful

>>13048254
>i use words differently from what they mean but it's your fault if you misunderstand me
ok

>>13048257
That's the definition I saw of incel, exactly what I wrote. If incel means "autistic person who is a virgin" then I was wrong using it

>>13048260
incel just means somebody who can't get laid, autism and ugliness being the prime causes of that

>muh incel
>muh autism
Do you have anything else to come with roastie? It's like I'm in /r/inceltears where women spend days debating the metaphysics of misogyny.

>>13048263
Then I got the wrong definition, thank you anon for explaining.

>>13048264
>roastie
Nice try but I'm not. Also ironic how you get mad over use of incel while you call people that :)

>>13048275
Doubt women like you can even detect irony. Half of this thread is people memeing, the other half is you trying to defend a fashion accessory by conflating people who don't agree with you with boogeymen.

>>13048238
Yeah your fucking privledged dipshit white males. So basic and boring with your wack fits and flavorless chicken

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>>13048251
I thought you were a baccala man, Uncle June. What're you doin' eatin' sushi?

>>13048293
Literally what.

>>13048321
Shit, I'm 4 of these

>>13048346
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>>13048333
Hey, listen my friend! At least I can deal with my problems unlike some I know!